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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Is the list working?

At 01:12 PM 5/16/99 -0700, Ken Childress wrote:

>Am I correct in reading the implication that those who are using
>programs other than Fractint are not interested in the mathematical
>aspect of fractals?

No, you are not correct.

>If so, that seems to be a rather absurd implication.

If it were so, it would indeed be absurd.

>If not, please clarify.

Okay, I'll try to spell it out.  To start, it is obvious that
those who enjoy fractals have an interest in math, and it is
also obvious that those who enjoy fractals also have an artistic
sense.  Every person who runs any fractal generating program is
to some degree both an artist and a mathematician.  But some
are more attracted to the math aspect, and others to the
artistic side of fractals.

I am assuming that by the term "programs other than Fractint"
you mean Ultra Fractal.  When the Fractint list began about two
years ago, it was nearly engulfed by a flood of parameter files,
which came in at a rate of sometimes near 100 per day.  The
comments accompanying these files constantly asked questions
such as, "when will Fractint support true-color?"  It was
obvious that such features were much desired.

Then the Ultra Fractal list was formed, and those who had filled
the Fractint list with par files moved to the UF list, and began
filling it with their par files.  And why not -- UF is faster
and has many of the features that the Fractint list posters were
clamoring for.

As a result, in a period of a month or so, the volume of traffic
on the Fractint list dropped from 50 or so a day to only one or
two messages per day.  Concerned about the lack of traffic, one
of the list subscribers, (I think it was Bresslau), posted a
test letter to see if the list was still working.  I replied,
assuring him that it was.

I added a comment to my reply, speculating about how we might
raise a bit more traffic for the Fractint list.  Since those who
were seeking more artistic versatility in their fractal program
have found it in UF, I suggested that the Fractint list should
emphasize the math aspect of fractal seeking.  I did not even
think of denigrating the mathematical ability of those who
switched to UF, just as I would not denigrate the artistic
ability of those, like myself, who stayed with Fractint.

BTW, I am a subscriber to the UF list, and have tried the
program.  I did not continue using it because I am really not
that interested in things such as multiple layers, etc.  (Again,
no offense intended against those who use layers.)  Also, I
generate fractals on several machines, and two of them still run
Windows-3.1, which does not support UF.

If you still feel offended, quote the phrase that offends you,
and I'll give further clarification.

Jim Muth
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:49:04 -0300
From: "Bresslau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working?

Now that you=B4ve mentioned it, I=B4m curios about the ultra fractal list=
. What
is the subscription aaddress?
Thanks, Bresslau, the one who started all this.


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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:19:44 -0700
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working?

Jim,

>>Am I correct in reading the implication that those who are using
>>programs other than Fractint are not interested in the mathematical
>>aspect of fractals?
>
>No, you are not correct.

I'm glad.

>>If not, please clarify.
>
>Okay, I'll try to spell it out.  To start, it is obvious that
>those who enjoy fractals have an interest in math, and it is
>also obvious that those who enjoy fractals also have an artistic
>sense.  Every person who runs any fractal generating program is
>to some degree both an artist and a mathematician.  But some
>are more attracted to the math aspect, and others to the
>artistic side of fractals.

Makes sense to me.

>I am assuming that by the term "programs other than Fractint"
>you mean Ultra Fractal.  When the Fractint list began about two
>years ago, it was nearly engulfed by a flood of parameter files,
>which came in at a rate of sometimes near 100 per day.  The
>comments accompanying these files constantly asked questions
>such as, "when will Fractint support true-color?"  It was
>obvious that such features were much desired.

No, I didn't specifically have UF in mind, but that assumption
wasn't necessarily off base.

>Then the Ultra Fractal list was formed, and those who had filled
>the Fractint list with par files moved to the UF list, and began
>filling it with their par files.  And why not -- UF is faster
>and has many of the features that the Fractint list posters were
>clamoring for.
>
>As a result, in a period of a month or so, the volume of traffic
>on the Fractint list dropped from 50 or so a day to only one or
>two messages per day.  Concerned about the lack of traffic, one
>of the list subscribers, (I think it was Bresslau), posted a
>test letter to see if the list was still working.  I replied,
>assuring him that it was.

Well, the traffic on this list certainly has dropped off, but it
has only been in the last couple of months.  The Uf list has been
going for about 10 months or so.

>I added a comment to my reply, speculating about how we might
>raise a bit more traffic for the Fractint list.  Since those who
>were seeking more artistic versatility in their fractal program
>have found it in UF, I suggested that the Fractint list should
>emphasize the math aspect of fractal seeking.  I did not even
>think of denigrating the mathematical ability of those who
>switched to UF, just as I would not denigrate the artistic
>ability of those, like myself, who stayed with Fractint.

I'm glad to hear that.  I agree completely.  Each has their own
opinions about the various programs and why they use them.  All the
programs are tools, and while different programs have different
capabilities, they are just tools for the user to gain whatever
pleasure from that they choose.

>BTW, I am a subscriber to the UF list, and have tried the
>program.  I did not continue using it because I am really not
>that interested in things such as multiple layers, etc.  (Again,
>no offense intended against those who use layers.)  Also, I
>generate fractals on several machines, and two of them still run
>Windows-3.1, which does not support UF.
>
>If you still feel offended, quote the phrase that offends you,
>and I'll give further clarification.

I didn't really feel offended.  I just wanted to make sure that I
understood your statement.  On the surface, it could have been taken
different ways.  I thank you for taking the time to clarify it for me.


Ken...



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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:32:27 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working?

Bresslau wrote:
>
> Now that you┤ve mentioned it, I┤m curios about
> the ultra fractal list.  What is the subscription
> aaddress?  Thanks, Bresslau, the one who started
> all this.
>

ULTRA FRACTAL, The Ultra Fractal Discussion List
        Administrator:  Frederik J. Slijkerman <[e-mail]>
        Subscription Address:  [e-mail]
            (body of your email message:  subscribe ultrafractal)
        Posts:  [e-mail]
        Description:
            This mailing list is open to all individuals/organizations
            interested in all aspects of the program "Ultra Fractal"
            written by F. J. Slijkerman. It is a 32-bit fractal plotter
            for Windows 95/NT featuring multi-threading, multiple
            documents, and multiple layers.  Also has many other
            features that include a formula compiler compatible with
            Fractint.  The website and download area may be found at the
            following URL:  http://www.ultrafractal.com/
        Archive:  Send a message to mailto:[e-mail] with
            "index ultrafractal" in the BODY of the message.


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:13:15 -0400
From: "Mark Salomon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available.

"CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!!
Is THAT the best you  have to  offer?
Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list?

What a flaming idiot....
What a bully


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From: Jack Baker <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available.


> Congratulations...
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, Jack Baker
> <[e-mail]> writesit
>  >You may want to check the available space on your hard drive.  If you do
> not
>  >have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master,
Windows
>  >will have a hard time with its virtual memory. (I personally have 256MB
> RAM,
>  >and Windows uses most of it.  If that is not the issue, try changing the
>  >memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server"  This
> makes
>  >the OS manage the memory a little more aggresively.  Hope these help.
>  >
>  >-Jack
>  >
>

> Huh?
>
> I'm running Fractint (DOS and Win versions) on a Pentium 75 with 8MB RAM
> without any problems.
>
>
> Natalie
>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:24:25 -0400
From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available.

Mark Salomon wrote:
>
> "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!!
> Is THAT the best you  have to  offer?
> Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list?
>
> What a flaming idiot....
> What a bully


Um, isn't this somewhat inappropriate?  There's already enough hostility
in the world - Let's try to keep it a little more civil, please..

Paul

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:12:10 +0200
From: Natalie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available.

In article <[e-mail]>, Paul DeCelle
<[e-mail]> writes
>> "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!!
>> Is THAT the best you  have to  offer?
>> Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list?
>>
>> What a flaming idiot....
>> What a bully
>
>
>Um, isn't this somewhat inappropriate?  There's already enough hostility
>in the world - Let's try to keep it a little more civil, please..
>
>Paul
>

Oops, it wasn't my intention to start people shouting, I'm sorry.

I'll disappear again.

Goodbye.

- --
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                                                          Natalie


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:07:19 GMT
From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) IFS

Well, it's not FractInt, but it *IS* fractal! I've written an IFS
fractal generator in POV-Ray (v3.1). You can download this from

  http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/POVRay31/IFS.html

I'm also looking for cool IFS's to add to my collection. I tried to
add the fern from fractint (FRACTINT.IFS -> Fern3D), but this didn't
come out too good (actually I got error messages about 0 scaling
factors on a couple of lines!) More to be added soon!

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:17:15 GMT
From: "Jack Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available.

Thanks Paul...

By the way, when I say congratulations, I mean that I am glad that she has
no problems with her systems.  Unfortunately some people are not as lucky as
she is and do experience problems.  Specifically, Windows 95 and 98 both can
do strange things when managing memory in excess of 32MB.

There is no reason to be confrontational.

- -Jack

Mark Salomon wrote:
 >
 > "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!!
 > Is THAT the best you  have to  offer?
 > Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list?
 >
 > What a flaming idiot....
 > What a bully


Um, isn't this somewhat inappropriate?  There's already enough hostility
in the world - Let's try to keep it a little more civil, please..

Paul

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:21:55 GMT
From: "Jack Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available.

Don't do that.  There are to few people posting to this list as it stands.
And most of the posts have nothing to do with Parfiles, etc.
I, personally do not have time to create new PAR's, but I do enjoy plugging
in the ones that get posted.  So.......

- -Jack

Oops, it wasn't my intention to start people shouting, I'm sorry.

I'll disappear again.

Goodbye.

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                                                           Natalie


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:49:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (karen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) IFS

On Mon, 17 May 1999 10:07:19 GMT, you wrote:

>Well, it's not FractInt, but it *IS* fractal! I've written an IFS
>fractal generator in POV-Ray (v3.1). You can download this from
>
>  http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/POVRay31/IFS.html

Well no, it's not Fractint but thanks very much for posting the
information.  I've been playing with IFSs in both Fractint and UF
for about two weeks now and so am very much interested.  Looking
forward to checking out the site.

Thanks again,


Karen McCormack

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:52:26 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: UF List

Bresslau, Paul,

The archive to the UF list can also be obtained directly (without going
through the Majordomo list software) from this URL:

    ftp://ftp.fractalus.com/pub/lists/ultrafractal/

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:15:25 +0200
From: "Randall Britten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) xfractint partobat?

Has anyone written a ParToBat for UNIX's xfractint?

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:36:22 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint partobat?

In article <002801bea088$ddf8f770$[e-mail]>,
    "Randall Britten" <[e-mail]>  writes:

> Has anyone written a ParToBat for UNIX's xfractint?

I wrote a perl script some time ago that did what partobat does and
more.   However, the script was written to generate BAT files for
msdos, not unix shell scripts.  I don't even know where the script is
anymore, since I wrote it for a need at the moment.  However, its not
hard to write something similar.  (I have no idea why the partobat.exe
author didn't include the source; it can't be more than a page or two
of C code.)
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:08:41 -0300
From: "Bresslau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Choose yur picture before downloading the par.

I just had an idea:
what if there where a site where you could see a preview of the pars you
were going to download? Somethng like a thumbnail page with checkboxes fo=
r
each picture. you like the picture, you check it. Then you post the form =
and
a par file with all the pars for the pics you checked is created speciall=
y
for you.
This was the idea. I downloaded lots of huge par files with hundreds of
pictures without havin a hint to what they contained. My pars are really =
a
mess and I don=B4t have time to process each of them to see what comes up.
Maybe if I could download only what I wanted, I could still have a beauti=
ful
collection of fractals without having the trouble to select them one by o=
ne
after they were generated.
I don=B4t know nothing about web deisgn /programming, and I don=B4t know =
if this
is a good idea. But if anybody likes it, please use it.
Bresslau


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 03:42:01 GMT
From: "Jack Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Choose yur picture before downloading the par.

Pretty good idea, and it really would not be to hard to do.  Just gotta get
the web space and time to get it done.  Perhaps on a server like xoom.com???
  Anyway, a simple CGI would probably be fine, and all that would be
necessary for the graphics would be a thumbnail.  The user could download
any pars that they were intrigued by and view the larger graphic at their
leisure.  Anybody out there want to jump on board here?????

- -Jack


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I just had an idea:
what if there where a site where you could see a preview of the pars you
were going to download? Somethng like a thumbnail page with checkboxes for
each picture. you like the picture, you check it. Then you post the form and
a par file with all the pars for the pics you checked is created specially
for you.
This was the idea. I downloaded lots of huge par files with hundreds of
pictures without havin a hint to what they contained. My pars are really a
mess and I don┤t have time to process each of them to see what comes up.
Maybe if I could download only what I wanted, I could still have a beautiful
collection of fractals without having the trouble to select them one by one
after they were generated.
I don┤t know nothing about web deisgn /programming, and I don┤t know if this
is a good idea. But if anybody likes it, please use it.
Bresslau


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:46:50 +0400 (MSD)
From: "Tony Hanmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) We haven't ALL gone to UF

... Some recent work.
All (c) Tony Hanmer 1999

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  }

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  }

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  center-mag=-0.07776925411458126/+0.02239004771584304/2403.846/1/-100
  params=0/1 maxiter=100 bailout=12123 inside=epsiloncross
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  99 cyclerange=0/255
  }

cn002              {
  reset=1960 type=complexnewton passes=1
  center-mag=-1.20386909415839000/+0.84792626728110540/0.3623188
  params=-1/4/1/0 float=y outside=summ periodicity=0
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  }

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  reset=1960 type=complexnewton passes=1
  center-mag=-0.25368676421312000/+0.04871428373091380/0.4439474/1.0324
  params=0/4/1/0 float=y outside=summ periodicity=0
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  reset=1960 type=complexnewton passes=t
  center-mag=-0.25368676421312000/+0.04871428373091380/0.4439474/1.0324
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:45:29 GMT
From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Noise

Could someone please explane to me what "1/f fractal noise" is? Is it
somehow related to the Fourier series?

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Andrew Orphi Coppin
DMU MK.

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:41:56 -0300
From: "Bresslau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) We haven't ALL gone to UF

De: Tony Hanmer <[e-mail]>
Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 18 de Maio de 1999 03:05
Assunto: (fractint) We haven't ALL gone to UF



>1bj036             {
>  reset=3D1960 type=3Dbarnsleyj1 passes=3D1


Is there any specific reason you use pass=3D1, instead of the guessing me=
thod?
I want first to thank you that the fracals were nice and very quick, so i=
t=B4s
just curiosity. I got folllowing reuslts:
23.79 seconds with the 1 pass method
21.26 seconds with the guessing mthod.

I know it=B4s not a great difference, but it _is_ technically more eficie=
nt to
use the guessing method. Am I right in supposing that you use the 1 pass
method because it=B4s beautiful to see image _scrolling_ down the screen?

Best regards,
Bresslau


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:13:36 +0100
From: "Iain G. Stirling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Noise

From:               "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Organization:       De Montfort Uni Milton Keynes
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> Could someone please explane to me what "1/f fractal noise" is? Is it
> somehow related to the Fourier series?
>
> ---------------------------------
> Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
> (Sir Francis Bacon)
> Andrew Orphi Coppin
> DMU MK.
>

The crux of this matter is homogeneous power functions. For
example:

f(x)=k * x ^ a

In the 1/f fractal noise case, we have x being frequency, and the
exponent a = -1. The 'fractal' bit here is self-similarity; when x is
scaled by a factor (x -> Bx) the overall shape of the function
remains unchanged, although the constant factor k is scaled (k ->
k * B ^ a).

Noting that our x is frequency, what we really have is a
homogeneous power law which describes the frequency domain.
This is essentially a Fourier Series.

Now to the 'noise' bit. If we have an electrical or audio signal whose
Fourier Transform ('cos we can't really take the Fourier Series in
real life...) has a shape described by a homogeneous power law
with exponent a = -1, then we have a signal that could be deemed
'1/f fractal'. If it were simply noise, then it would be '1/f fractal
noise'.

This term has become quite ubiquitous due to the nature of many
statistical systems in real life, for example rainfall figures, and the
stock market. These systems show fluctuations that have self-
similar shapes in the time domain (i.e. a period of fluctuation over a
small amplitude range and a short period of time (e.g. stock prices
in a week) could look very similar to a period of fluctuation over a
large amplitude range and a long period of time (e.g. stock prices
in 10 years)). This means these systems will obey homogeneous
power laws in the frequency domain. Note that the exponent is not
necessarily a = -1. Hence all 'fractal noise' is not necessarily '1/f' in
nature!

Lastly, a good reason for why '1/f' is significant. Apparently, when
listening to audio with a frequency spectrum which obeys a
homogeneous power law with an exponent of a = -1, the
stimulation of the brain by the ear is very constant. This means
that music which has a roughly '1/f' characteristic sounds pleasing,
and is relaxing. Much of the music we listen to, especially
classical, has this characteristic.

Hope this provides the information you require.

Iain G. Stirling

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:00:14 -0300
From: "Bresslau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) We haven't ALL gone to UF

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De: Tony Hanmer <[e-mail]>
Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 18 de Maio de 1999 03:05
Assunto: (fractint) We haven't ALL gone to UF



>cn004              {
>  reset=3D1960 type=3Dcomplexnewton passes=3Dt


Here you used tesseral and the borders were kept on great one-color areas=
. I
tried using tesseral with my pars, and didn=B4t achive this great effect.=
 How
do you do it?


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