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fractint-digest         Friday, April 30 1999         Volume 01 : Number 385




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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:24:11 -0500
From: "Adam Leggett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Morgan L. Owens <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem


> At 11:37 27/04/99 -0500, Adam wrote:
> >
> >
> >Then a thumbnail displaying image selector would be real easy.  Probably
not
> >even necessary to read the entire image file, but I haven't touched GIF
in
> >so long I don't even remember.
> >
> Not interlaced GIF, no (for the most part); but otherwise (as in
particular
> the case of Fractint) yes: GIF treats the image as one long stream of
bytes
> from top left to bottom right.
>
> But hey, if truecolour support is as close as suggestions have been (next
> major version?) Fractint'll be migrating to PNG anyway...

God, it's about time.. I would hack libpng support in myself if I had time,
it would probably take less than a day.  Or go for the gold and use imlib.

Adam


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:37:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem

In a message dated 4/27/99 1:26:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< But hey, if truecolour support is as close as suggestions have been (next
 major version?) Fractint'll be migrating to PNG anyway...
  >>
Doesn't that require a special browser plugin to view (on the web) ?
It seems jpg would be more accessable...not only for web sites but for people
viewing the sites.
Steve

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:06:59 -0500
From: "Adam Leggett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem

> << But hey, if truecolour support is as close as suggestions have been
(next
>  major version?) Fractint'll be migrating to PNG anyway...
>   >>
> Doesn't that require a special browser plugin to view (on the web) ?
> It seems jpg would be more accessable...not only for web sites but for
people
> viewing the sites.

Uh, JPEG is a lossy format, except in the newer JPEG-LS and other lossless
or near-lossless implementations.  No good for Fractint.

All modern browsers display PNG graphics.  GIF is supposed to already be
phased out but they're still common on websites.

Adam


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:22:02 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint documentation in German?

Jay Hill wrote:
>
> Forwarded message:
>
> "Where is a documentation in German language?
> Can you help me?"
>
> More generally, any other languages?   I can update
> the resource page if we have multilingual support.
>

FractInt-Diskussion Liste Betriebsmittel

Aktualisiertes basiert auf Pfosten Liste Fractint (Jan. 9, 1999) von
Janet Preslar mit einigen neuen Einzelteilen habe ich hinzugefⁿgt seit
dem..., (ist spΣt: Aktualisierter April 23, 1999)

**** Die neuesten EintrΣge, neue EintrΣge des ***, Neue EintrΣge des **
Nicht so, * fast alte EintrΣge,

Senden Sie bitte alle Korrekturen, Hinzufⁿgung und Hⁿgel der VorschlΣge
to:Jay (war Janet Preslar).

Nach heutigem Pfosten bin ich nicht mehr, bekanntgebend aktualisierend
oder die FractInt-Hilfsmittelliste. Wenn jedermann sie bekanntzugeben,
fortfahren m÷chte, fⁿhlen Sie bitte sich frei, sie als erforderliches zu
verwenden und anzupassen - Janet


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:03:41 +0200
From: "Randall Britten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Source code

http://www.julianhaight.com/filmer.shtml

(Hint: Switch off images unless you want to wait for the over 1MB animated
gif.  The animated gif is an example of what you can do with filmer, so it
is acutally worth the wait.)

Got the above link from the "Fractint Page":
http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html

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Subject:    Re: (fractint) Re: Source code

Hi Randall.
You mentioned a 'fractal filmer" for kids. Please tell me/us more (URL?).
Thanks and bye, Michael

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:04:23 +0800
From: Li Shuigen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) A question

Michael Traynor =D0=B4=B5=BD=A3=BA

> Shuigen,
>
> The "=3D3D" is an artifact of the mail program used to send the par fil=
e and
> is not a part of fractint19.6 parameters.  The mail program has replace=
d
> the equal sign "=3D" with "=3D3D" for reasons I don't understant.  The =
par
> should say "reset=3D1960".  There are probably other places in the par =
file
> where "=3D" has also been replaced by "=3D3D" and you need to fix all o=
f them.
>

     Thank you for your help, also thank Dr.Tim Wegner.

> You need to use a text editor (Programmer's File Editor available at:
> http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe is my favourite) to do search
> and replace to replace the "=3D3D" with just "=3D" wherever you find "=3D=
3D".  I
> think the par file will work then.
>

   The text editor PFE is very good, thank you again.

There are two famous books written by  Mandelbroit:
1. The Fractal Geometry of Nature,
and
2.Fractal: Form, Chance and Dimention
The question is that which one above has indicated the birth of  Fractals=
?

Best Wishes!

Shuigen Li



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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:17:36 -0500
From: Barry Spreen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Running under windows98

I have used and enjoyed fractint since about v8.0. I now have a pentium 133
with 48m core running w98. Video card is STB Vision 95 with the most recent
driver. I cannot get fractint up at all. Winfract runs, but just is not as
pleasing. I have tried the suggestions for "Using Fractint for DOS under
Win95" published elsewhere with no results. If I boot into dos I get the
"Not enough memory" error.
This is all very frustrating.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Best,
Barry
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:40:11 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Barry, I have Win98 and fractint has been working for me.  Sounds like
its something in your environment.  Can you tell us how you're running
fractint?  From the command line?  From a .PIF?  From a shortcut?

I use a 'shortcut to MS-DOS program' in my win98 setup with the
default properties and haven't had any problems.
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:27:22 -0500
From: Barry Spreen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

I am trying to run it from a shortcut. From the command line I get not
enough memory to run. Rebooting to straight dos gives same problem. From
shortcut the screen goes blank for a second then the desktop reappears.
I sort of suspect the video card. (aren't they always at fault?) Normally I
run 1042X768 with a 64k pallet but changing it to 640X480 256 does nothing
but screw up my desktop when I change back. I was, however, using this same
card with win95 and the program worked even though it was a little cranky
when shut down. SStools.ini has no fractint section, just winfract ???

Barry

At 02:40 PM 4/28/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Barry, I have Win98 and fractint has been working for me.  Sounds like
>its something in your environment.  Can you tell us how you're running
>fractint?  From the command line?  From a .PIF?  From a shortcut?
>
>I use a 'shortcut to MS-DOS program' in my win98 setup with the
>default properties and haven't had any problems.
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Best,
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:55:19 -0400
From: "efeder" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Instructions

Hi. Has anyone written clear, step-by-step instructions on using Fractint? I
really like the idea, but cannot figure out ow to use the bloody thing!

Help?

Thanks,

David





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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:12:56 -0600
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Instructions

In article <000f01be91d2$fa93c320$662baccf@oemcomputer>,
    "efeder" <[e-mail]>  writes:

> Hi. Has anyone written clear, step-by-step instructions on using Fractint? I
> really like the idea, but cannot figure out ow to use the bloody thing!

Hi David, fractint comes with an extensive online help system that
really does explain how to use it all!  Try pressing F1 anywhere in
the program for context-sensitive help on the part of fractint you're
using when you press F1.

If you like your documentation printed so that you can browse back and
forth, get a dos prompt and cd to the directory where you've installed
fractint.  Then type the command "fractint makedoc" and fractint should
create a fractint.doc file from its online help.  On my version of
fractint that created a 532k file that I could then print as a regular
text file.

There is tons of useful fractint information at Noel Giffen's Fractint
Homepage <http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html>.  And of
course, there is this mailing list if you're wondering something more
specific?  Here's how I generally use fractint:

    1. select video mode with DEL key -- I like 1024x768 @ 8bits myself
    2. select fractal type with 't' -- lots to choose from
    3. select any fractal-specific parameters or just press RETURN --
    if there are any params, you'll be prompted, but defaults are
    usually interesting
    4. play with this configuation:
    a. zoom
    b. colormap rotate
    c. change coloring options
    d. rotate image
    e. etc.

When hitting a rut of bad image, I just move my way back further up
the numbered steps changing parts of fractint's control panel that
affect "larger" issues on the image.  Just learn to press F1 whenever
you are confused about fractint and chances are you'll get a help page
explaining what you can do right there.

Because fractint is  big program with many controls and options, its
nice to print out the documentation for reference.
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:34:32 -0400
From: "Mitchell Berger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Barry,

I am using Fractint under Win98, on my Store built PII-400, with a Diamon=
d
II Stealth video board and a Princeton monitor. I have had no problems
running Fractint. I have downloaded FractXtra and edited sstools.ini to m=
eet
my file configuration. I would be glad to share it with you.

Mitch Berger

=93The destination is not that rewarding if you have not had the experien=
ce of
the journey=94.  Jimmy Buffett, "A Pirate Looks at Fifty", page 358.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Spreen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 4:21 PM
Subject: (fractint) Running under windows98


>I have used and enjoyed fractint since about v8.0. I now have a pentium =
133
>with 48m core running w98. Video card is STB Vision 95 with the most rec=
ent
>driver. I cannot get fractint up at all. Winfract runs, but just is not =
as
>pleasing. I have tried the suggestions for "Using Fractint for DOS under
>Win95" published elsewhere with no results. If I boot into dos I get the
>"Not enough memory" error.
>This is all very frustrating.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:00:47 -0500
From: "Adam Leggett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

The only way to get stuff that works is for it to be store built with a good
video board.  Barry, either keep using winfract or get a new video card, or
try SciTech display doctor.

Adam



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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:37:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Instructions

David,

Visit my website:

http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm

Click on the icon to go to the List O' Links page.  The fourth link shown is
a Fractint Tutorial I wrote.  It should get you going with no problem.

Good luck!
Bill

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:48:18 -0400
From: "James V. Fields" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Instructions

David,

The documentation that comes with Fractint isn't a bad place to start.  You
may want to create a printable set of docs by issuing the command
"fractint -makedoc" from the directory where you installed it.

However, the best documentation I ever saw was a book titled "Fractal
Creations" which was written by a couple of Fractint's primary authors.
Published by the Waite Group Press, it went through 2 editions and several
printings before going out of print.  However, you can still get copies from
online book distributors.  Try http://www.bookcloseouts.com for starters.
The book had a cover price of $40, but they sell it for $10, and that
includes a CD-ROM and 3D glasses.  Fractint has gone through some revisions
since the book came out, but the information is still quite good.

Good Luck!

- -----Original Message-----
From: efeder <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:59 PM
Subject: (fractint) Instructions


>Hi. Has anyone written clear, step-by-step instructions on using Fractint?
I
>really like the idea, but cannot figure out ow to use the bloody thing!
>
>Help?
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:52:26 -0400
From: "James V. Fields" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Suggestions about documentation

I replied to his original message directly, but a question came up today
regarding Fractint documentation.  Many of you remember "Fractal Creations"
which Bert and Tim wrote a while back.  Though the book is out of print, it
can still be had from some online book sources.  I got mine through
http://www.bookcloseouts.com for $10 plus $3 shipping.  (I bought it at full
price a number of years ago and loaned out my copy to someone who never
returned it, so finding a good deal on it was a bonus).

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:35:10 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Instructions

David,

You may find some of what you are looking for at:

http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat/mirror.html

Linda


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:30:23 -0400
From: "Eric Litwak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running under windows98

I have to respectfully disagree with Adam. I have a clone I built myself;
AMD K-6 233, 64Mb, Creative Voodoo Banshee, and other than an occasional
lockup (caused by a cheesy motherboard) fractint and other programs run
great.

Right click on the shortcut and go to properties. Under the memory tab set
initial environment to 512. This should clear up your errors. All other
settings are auto. If that doesn't work, try 1024.



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Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98



The only way to get stuff that works is for it to be store built with a good
video board.  Barry, either keep using winfract or get a new video card, or
try SciTech display doctor.

Adam



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:29:15 -0500
From: "Adam Leggett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

> I have to respectfully disagree with Adam. I have a clone I built myself;
> AMD K-6 233, 64Mb, Creative Voodoo Banshee, and other than an occasional
> lockup (caused by a cheesy motherboard) fractint and other programs run
> great.
>
> Right click on the shortcut and go to properties. Under the memory tab set
> initial environment to 512. This should clear up your errors. All other
> settings are auto. If that doesn't work, try 1024.

sorry, that's what I meant - the only machines that seem to work right these
days (or for the last 10 years I guess) are custom built.  Because factory
built machines come with the cheapest components on earth.

That's too bad about the motherboard, but K6 is a Super 7 chip and I guess
not many real good motherboards are available in that configuration.  If you
like AMD get a K7 when they come out (and a new mobo), from what I've seen
they're nice.

Adam


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Adam,

> That's too bad about the motherboard, but K6 is a Super 7 chip and I guess
> not many real good motherboards are available in that configuration.  If you
> like AMD get a K7 when they come out (and a new mobo), from what I've seen
> they're nice.

How is the floating point performance on the K6 II or the K7?

I had a K6-166 and swapped it out for a Pentium MMX 233.  I got more
than a 2x increase in floating point performance just by going to an
Intel chip.


Ken...



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:09:31 -0500
From: "Adam Leggett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

>
> Adam,
>
> > That's too bad about the motherboard, but K6 is a Super 7 chip and I
guess
> > not many real good motherboards are available in that configuration.  If
you
> > like AMD get a K7 when they come out (and a new mobo), from what I've
seen
> > they're nice.
>
> How is the floating point performance on the K6 II or the K7?
>
> I had a K6-166 and swapped it out for a Pentium MMX 233.  I got more
> than a 2x increase in floating point performance just by going to an
> Intel chip.

I dunno, I have a machine with a K6-2/350 CPU but I've only used it a couple
times, Carmack says the Quake series rocks on K6-2 but I haven't seen it
myself.  Generally his code runs halfway between integer and fp benchmarks
so I guess all that says is it's "ok".  On the other hand AMD is running K7s
at GHz speeds thanks to their new friend Kryo-something, that has designed a
new cooling system.  I'm sure a 1 GHz 486 would waste most of what I see
these days.

Adam


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:31:05 GMT
From: "Jack Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Intel chips are not running that much faster than the AMD's now, as the
K6-2's 3D-Now! extensions increase bandwidth for FPU, etc.  In fatc, the
bandwidth is wider than Intel's SIMD on the PIIIs!  Also, since Intel IS NOT
the market leader (in sales) anymore, the other manufacturers are waking up
and getting out of bed with Intel.

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Adam,

 > That's too bad about the motherboard, but K6 is a Super 7 chip and I
guess
 > not many real good motherboards are available in that configuration.  If
you
 > like AMD get a K7 when they come out (and a new mobo), from what I've
seen
 > they're nice.

How is the floating point performance on the K6 II or the K7?

I had a K6-166 and swapped it out for a Pentium MMX 233.  I got more
than a 2x increase in floating point performance just by going to an
Intel chip.


Ken...



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:35:50 GMT
From: "Jack Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

3D-Now! makes the system think that it has a 3D accelerator card (Voodoo2,
etc), when in fact it does not.  Therefore, the system will run software
that REQUIRES an accelerator card. Basically, AMD finally did something
right.  Yes, the 350MHz processor would be the slowest that I would go with
on K6-2s, though.  My advice, wait for the K6-3s to become available.

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 >
 > Adam,
 >
 > > That's too bad about the motherboard, but K6 is a Super 7 chip and I
guess
 > > not many real good motherboards are available in that configuration.
If
you
 > > like AMD get a K7 when they come out (and a new mobo), from what I've
seen
 > > they're nice.
 >
 > How is the floating point performance on the K6 II or the K7?
 >
 > I had a K6-166 and swapped it out for a Pentium MMX 233.  I got more
 > than a 2x increase in floating point performance just by going to an
 > Intel chip.

I dunno, I have a machine with a K6-2/350 CPU but I've only used it a couple
times, Carmack says the Quake series rocks on K6-2 but I haven't seen it
myself.  Generally his code runs halfway between integer and fp benchmarks
so I guess all that says is it's "ok".  On the other hand AMD is running K7s
at GHz speeds thanks to their new friend Kryo-something, that has designed a
new cooling system.  I'm sure a 1 GHz 486 would waste most of what I see
these days.

Adam


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

> Intel chips are not running that much faster than the AMD's now, as the
> K6-2's 3D-Now! extensions increase bandwidth for FPU, etc.  In fatc, the
> bandwidth is wider than Intel's SIMD on the PIIIs!  Also, since Intel IS NOT
> the market leader (in sales) anymore, the other manufacturers are waking up
> and getting out of bed with Intel.

That's encouraging.  All I'm familiar with is that the FPU performance
on the K6 really sucks compared to Intel.


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:44:43 -0500
From: "Adam Leggett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

> 3D-Now! makes the system think that it has a 3D accelerator card (Voodoo2,
> etc), when in fact it does not.  Therefore, the system will run software
> that REQUIRES an accelerator card. Basically, AMD finally did something
> right.  Yes, the 350MHz processor would be the slowest that I would go
with
> on K6-2s, though.  My advice, wait for the K6-3s to become available.

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean by making the system think it has an
accelerator card, care to elaborate?

Thanks
adam


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:34:45 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Jack,

 - Intel chips are not running that much faster than the AMD's now, as
 - the K6-2's 3D-Now! extensions increase bandwidth for FPU, etc.

Clock speed isn't everything. For integer performance, AMD chips are great.
3D-Now doesn't significantly improve the FPU performance that I have seen
versus the earlier K6 processors. The problem isn't bandwidth, either; the
problem is the FPU in the K6 is not pipelined and takes more than one cycle
to perform most operations. In contrast, even the Pentium FPU is pipelined
for basic operations (move, add, multiply) and has a throughput of one
operation per cycle with free parallel moves. This is why Pentium-optimized
FPU code runs so much faster than AMD-optimized code; it exploits this
pipelining and keeps the FPU busy doing operations at peak speed.

The K7 is an entirely different story, as I said; it should be more than a
match for the P-III. Not due to 3D-Now (which, I should point out, is
almost as useless for fractals as MMX) but because AMD finally redesigned
the FPU.

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:29:54 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Adam,

 - I'm sure a 1 GHz 486 would waste most of what I see these days.

Er, not quite. If you're comparing FPU speeds, it's not even a close
match--a 350MHz P-II will run rings around the hypothetical 1GHz 486 at FPU
ops, because the 486 FPU just isn't that fast. That's why when Quake came
out, it required an FPU--the FPU multiply on the Pentium is a lot faster
than the integer multiply.

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:27:22 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98

Ken,

 - How is the floating point performance on the K6 II or the K7?

K6-2: approximately half an equivalently-clocked P-II. The FPU on the K6-2
isn't significantly faster than the FPU on the original K6.

K7: according to the spec this FPU can manage an add, a multiply, and a
move all in the same cycle. If this bears out, it will actually be higher
performance than the P-II.

 - I had a K6-166 and swapped it out for a Pentium MMX 233.  I got more
 - than a 2x increase in floating point performance just by going to an
 - Intel chip.

Right. The ratio of Pentium:K6 FPU performance is something like 2.3 or
2.4, last time I ran those benchmarks.

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