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fractint-digest        Tuesday, April 13 1999        Volume 01 : Number 380




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Date: Thu,  1 Apr 99 15:01:22
From: [e-mail] (Dr I D Entwistle)
Subject: RE: (fractint) Julia set params

On Thu  1 Apr 99 (10:57:50 +0200), [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> In short, MiniSanMarco1:
> Re: -0.1613432317972183
> Im: 1.036044612526894
>
> Why?  See the description below:
>
> The San Marco Fractal (as Mandelbrot himself called it) is probably a
> well known Julia set:
> Re: -0.7498431447893381 (approx)
> Im:  0
>
> It corresponds to the intersection of the cardioid and circle of the
> Mandelbrot set.
  Jeff
       Yuo should be aware that image attachments are not acceptable on this
list.It is 15 years since I first generated the San Marco fractal and the .par
file is quite adequate for everyone to generate it again.
    Ian Entwistle
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:15:23 -0600
From: Kenneth Cole <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) need help for Winfract

Patrick,

As far as I know, you have the newest version of Winfract, 18.21. It is
very limited when it comes to deep zooming. I use it to teach about
fractals and image creation to my middle school students (ages 11-14).
You need Fractint 19.6 for the features you want.

Kenneth Cole
http://www.kencole.org/

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hello,
> My name is Patrick and I'm French.
> So at first I would like to apologize to you for my approximate English.
> I'm a beginner with Fractint and I use to work with Winfract for Windows95(the
> 18.21 version).
> I'm frustrate to be limited with the zooming and the iteration possibilities
> of this version.
> Can you help me and tell me if there is a new version available with high
> iteration and deep zooming?
> If it doesn't exist, is it possible to upgrade those possibilities from my own
> version?
> Thank you very much for your help.
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:08:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Easter Egg Par

Here is an easter egg, moire style along with a few others ...........


Easteregg          { ; (C) 1999 P. Kyle
                     ; Easter Egg
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=ca10-08
  center-mag=-7455.29/-7455.39/0.0001798271/1/44.999
  params=0.1300804/0/2.71828182845905/0.01 float=y maxiter=647
  inside=maxiter outside=real logmode=fly potential=255/334/0
  invert=6/0/0
  colors=110<46>00z<30>112110332<30>zzz<30>222000002<30>00z<30>002000110<4\
  6>zz0
  }

Gremlin            { ; (C) 1999 P. Kyle  Mod of Moire Mask
                     ; Gremlin
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=ca10-08
  center-mag=1359.77/1359.98/8.336354e-005/1/44.999
  params=0.13081/0/2.71828182845905/0.01 float=y maxiter=647
  inside=maxiter outside=real logmode=fly potential=255/334/0
  invert=6/0/0
  colors=110<46>00z<30>112110332<30>zzz<30>222000002<30>00z<30>002000110<4\
  6>zz0
  }

pleased            { ; (C) 1999 P. Kyle  Mod of Moire Mask
                     ; pleased
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=ca10-08
  center-mag=1359.77/1359.98/8.336354e-005/1/44.999
  params=0.130789/0/2.71828182845905/0.01 float=y maxiter=647
  inside=maxiter outside=real logmode=fly potential=255/334/0
  invert=6/0/0
  colors=110<46>00z<30>112110332<30>zzz<30>222000002<30>00z<30>002000110<4\
  6>zz0
  }

SonicSpider        { ; (C) 1999 P. Kyle  Mod of Moire Mask
                     ; Sonic Spider
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=ca10-08
  center-mag=2.27374e-012/0.163402/5.035158e-005/1/44.998
  params=0.130901/0/2.71828182845905/0.01 float=y maxiter=647
  inside=maxiter outside=real logmode=fly potential=255/334/0
  invert=6/0/0
  colors=110<46>00z<30>112110332<30>zzz<30>222000002<30>00z<30>002000110<4\
  6>zz0
  }




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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:34:29 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) March '99 par collection

Hi folks,

The March par collection of postings to this mail list is now available at:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm
(just the parameters)

or, if you prefer the pars with their original messages left intact you can get
this version:

http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm

The updated formula collection (frac_ml.frm) is available from both sites.

cheers,
Les






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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:50:05 -0600
From: "Luc-Andre Rey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:40:11 +0200

A new update of my site, pages 15 and 16.

The site
http://www.multimania.com/warey/fract/

Enjoy
Luc-Andre


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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:19:57 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) new images on web site

I have replaced the old images with new ones on two of my pages at my
Geocities web site: Euler - Page 2 and Curves - Page 1. There is also a
new formula in the curves collection, both Fractint and Ultrafractal
versions. Please download the appropriate files to replace your current
ones.

It has been called to my attention that some of my pages did not load
properly. The reason for this is that in order to put some order into my
large number of files, I created subdirectories for each page.
Consequently the addresses have changed by the inclusion of the name of
the respective subdirectories. If you have visited my page recently, or
have bookmarked individual pages therein, please access my index.html
again, and hit your reload button. Then access the individual pages from
there, hit reload again, and change you bookmarks.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

I hope you'll enjoy your visit.

Gedeon.



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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:54:46 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) March '99 par collection

Many many thanks to Les for keeping up with the discussion list and posting the
monthly pars.  I've had an enforced hiatus from the list due to health and puter
problems but feel back in touch thanks to Les' collections.  I downloaded them all!!!

Thanks again....just can't be said too many times.

Angela aka wizzle

Les St Clair wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> The March par collection of postings to this mail list is now available at:
>
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm
> (just the parameters)
>
> or, if you prefer the pars with their original messages left intact you can get
> this version:
>
> http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm
>
> The updated formula collection (frac_ml.frm) is available from both sites.
>
> cheers,
> Les
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:10:51 -0700
From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) March '99 Par Collection

Angela aka Wizzle wrote

> Many many thanks to Les for keeping up with the discussion list and posting the
> monthly pars......
>
Hi.  Nice to have you back!



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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:11:55 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) March '99 par collection

>Many many thanks to Les for keeping up with the discussion list and posting the
>monthly pars.

Thanks Angela!

Actually it's not that hard to keep up with at the moment. If you look at the
number of postings they have declined sharply in recent months. What we need is
some good ol' Wizzle images again ;-)

- - Les


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:10:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Tim: Layering with Fractint...

Hi Tim,

Do you think layering, as in Ultrafractal, could ever be added to FRACTINT?

- --Bob Carr--

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:55:57 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) March '99 par collection

Hey!  We missed you, Angela!  Glad to you are up and about!
Linda


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:26:46 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim: Layering with Fractint...

> Do you think layering, as in Ultrafractal, could ever be added to FRACTINT?

I haven't looked at ultrafractal so I don't know about its features. I
understand it is not freeware so I don't use it.

I'm not sure what you mean by layering, but it sounds like it
requires true color support, so yes fractint will do this after we have
full truecolor support.

Tim


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:47:42 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim: Layering with Fractint...

Tim,

Layering is the ability to take several fractal images and merge them
together, with adjustable transparency and different combination methods.
You can do a limited form of this with PHC and PTC methods, but with true
layering capability your control is much finer. Instead of being restricted
to mixing each fractal equally, you have fine control over blending, and
the ability to use a variety of merge modes like Hard Light and Difference
(my favorites).

The layering features of Ultra Fractal are similar to those in Photoshop
and many other graphics programs.

 - I haven't looked at ultrafractal so I don't know about its features. I
 - understand it is not freeware so I don't use it.

<rolling eyes> Tim, it's Shareware. That means you can try it for thirty
days, and if you don't like it, and don't intend paying for it, you can
remove it. I think you should at least *look* at it. Not being free isn't
this huge sin, you know; your operating system isn't free and neither are
most of the applications you probably run.

I understand why you're unhappy that UF isn't free, I know we've covered
that before. But I don't understand why you're blinding yourself. Does it
matter if you look at it yourself for ideas, or have me or someone else
tell you about them? (It does--you'll get a better understanding of what
people are asking for if you've at least *looked* at other programs).)

Damien M. Jones   \\
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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:56:46 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim: Layering with Fractint...

Tim,

Another follow-up to this thread. In February I posted a formula and
parameter set that demonstrated both layering and true color in FractInt.
Nobody commented on it, as I recall.

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:47:42 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim: Layering with Fractint...

Tim,

Layering is the ability to take several fractal images and merge them
together, with adjustable transparency and different combination methods.
You can do a limited form of this with PHC and PTC methods, but with true
layering capability your control is much finer. Instead of being restricted
to mixing each fractal equally, you have fine control over blending, and
the ability to use a variety of merge modes like Hard Light and Difference
(my favorites).

The layering features of Ultra Fractal are similar to those in Photoshop
and many other graphics programs.

 - I haven't looked at ultrafractal so I don't know about its features. I
 - understand it is not freeware so I don't use it.

<rolling eyes> Tim, it's Shareware. That means you can try it for thirty
days, and if you don't like it, and don't intend paying for it, you can
remove it. I think you should at least *look* at it. Not being free isn't
this huge sin, you know; your operating system isn't free and neither are
most of the applications you probably run.

I understand why you're unhappy that UF isn't free, I know we've covered
that before. But I don't understand why you're blinding yourself. Does it
matter if you look at it yourself for ideas, or have me or someone else
tell you about them? (It does--you'll get a better understanding of what
people are asking for if you've at least *looked* at other programs).)

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:01:52 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim: Layering with Fractint...

Damien wrote:

> Layering is the ability to take several fractal images and merge them
> together, with adjustable transparency and different combination methods.
> You can do a limited form of this with PHC and PTC methods, but with true
> layering capability your control is much finer. Instead of being restricted
> to mixing each fractal equally, you have fine control over blending, and
> the ability to use a variety of merge modes like Hard Light and Difference
> (my favorites).

Ah so, thanks for the explanation!

>  - I haven't looked at ultrafractal so I don't know about its features. I
>  - understand it is not freeware so I don't use it.
>
> <rolling eyes> Tim, it's Shareware. That means you can try it for thirty
> days, and if you don't like it, and don't intend paying for it, you can
> remove it. I think you should at least *look* at it. Not being free isn't
> this huge sin, you know; your operating system isn't free and neither are
> most of the applications you probably run.

Sorry, I won't, my decision, I don't expect you to understand or like
it. I have no interest in commercial or shareware fractal programs,
and won't spend any time looking at them. I have always had far
more of just my own ideas about what to implement than I had time
to work, and that is more true now than ever. I have never looked at
other programs to get ideas for fractint, with the possible exception
of fractal witchcraft/SOI.

However, there is nothing stopping other people from looking at
Ultrafractal and contributing new features. Fractint is an open
source, community project, and it is not that hard to contribute.

Tim

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:34:02 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 1600x1200

Has anyone gotten Fractint to work with the ATI all-in-wonder
board's 1600x1200 mode? If you have, I'd like to know the
fractint.cfg settings.

Tim



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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:56:05 -1000
From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 1600x1200

Sorry, can't help with the ATI, but had it working with
an S3 chipset at the office. Using the ones that already
existed in Fractint 19.6.

Unfortunately, haven't been able to make it run anything
higher than 640x480 with our ELSA GLoria Synergy.

On 11 Apr 99 at 16:34, Tim Wegner wrote:

> Has anyone gotten Fractint to work with the ATI
> all-in-wonder board's 1600x1200 mode? If you have, I'd
> like to know the fractint.cfg settings.

Another blast of bits from David
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:02:21 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 1600x1200

Hi Tim,

>> Has anyone gotten Fractint to work with the ATI all-in-wonder  board's=

>> 1600x1200 mode? If you have, I'd like to know the  fractint.cfg
>> settings.

  Try the following entries:

    ,Diamond Stealth 64 V mode,4f02, 120,   0,   0,  28,1600,1200,256,OK:=

Dan Paccaloni - HBT
    ,nVidia Riva TNT mode     ,4f02,0145,   0,   0,  28,1600,1200,256,OK:=

Phil DiGiorgi
    ,Millennium VESA mode     ,4f02, 11C,   0,   0,  28,1600,1200,256,OK:=

Sylvie Gallet
    ,STB Pegasus VESA mode    ,4f02,  45,   0,   0,  28,1600,1200,256,OK:=

Lee Skinner
    ,ATI MACH64 VESA mode     ,4f02, 302,   0,   0,  28,1600,1200,256,OK:=

Don Archer

  If none of them works with your ATI all-inwonder, you can use
vesa2cfg.exe to detect the 1600x1200 mode (download vesa2cfg.zip from my
web site:
  <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip>)

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:13:35 GMT
From: "Jack Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) video configuration

I am attempting to use Fractint 19.2 on a Compaq Prolinea 4/25s atg
work.  This machine has a Tseng Labs ET 4000/W32 video chipset, but I
cannot get the video cofigurator to work in anything other than
monochrome.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Jack Baker
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PS- am using Fractint at home on my PII/350, and it screams!

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:11:11 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) video configuration

Hi Jack,

>> I am attempting to use Fractint 19.2 on a Compaq Prolinea 4/25s atg =

>> work.  This machine has a Tseng Labs ET 4000/W32 video chipset, but I =

>> cannot get the video cofigurator to work in anything other than =

>> monochrome.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

  Download vesa2cfg.zip from my web site:

    <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip>=


  Run vesa1cfg.exe and email me the text file it creates (qpv.cfg).

        - Sylvie

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:25:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) An interesting effect...

I thought this image had a most interesting effect. View at your highest
resolution.

- --Bob Carr--

Carr3416(YAXIS){;Modified Sylvie Gallet frm.1996
;passes=1 needs to be used with this PHC formula
pixel=-abs(real(pixel))+flip(imag(pixel))
b3=(1.224*cabs(pixel^5)-flip(conj(pixel)))
b5=(((conj(b3/2))*abs(b3)*(b3)^3-conj(0.01/b3))/(tanh(0.6/pixel)))+0.37
z=whitesq*b5^0.8456-(whitesq==0)*b5
c1=1.5*z^1.2,c2=2.25*z,c3=3.375*z,c4=5.0625*z
l1=real(p1),l2=imag(p1),l3=real(p2),l4=imag(p2)
bailout=16,iter=0:
t1=(iter==l1),t2=(iter==l2),t3=(iter==l3),t4=(iter==l4)
t=1-(t1||t2||t3||t4),z=z*t,c=c*t+c1*t1+c2*t2+c3*t3+c4*t4
z=z^2+(-0.7626073214,0.084796112)
iter=iter+1
imag(flip(z))<=bailout
}

Carr3416            { ; A most interesting effect.
                     ; Copyright 1999 Robert W. Carr
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=43hCarr.frm formulaname=Carr3416
  passes=1 center-mag=0.0010622/-0.169487/0.8293096/1/180
  params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0
  colors=000000<13>AFHBGMEJPIMR000OSW<11>zzz<14>WWWUUUTTT<14>000<15>apz<12\
  >000<10>zpa<6>_SMWPKTKNPGPMBSI7U<10>102000000<14>wo`<15>`00<15>000WOG<13\
  >zo`<15>UMFWLE<13>`Ft`Fw_Et<12>L7UK7SH7UGBVFFW<13>2fx
  }



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:10:58 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 1600x1200

Sylvie wrote:

>   If none of them works with your ATI all-inwonder, you can use
> vesa2cfg.exe to detect the 1600x1200 mode (download vesa2cfg.zip from my
> web site:
>   <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip>)

No dice with ATI All-In-Wonder, although it looks like a VERY
interesting board.

All-In-Wonder has these modes (just listing above 800x600 to save
space; up to 800x600 is pretty standard):
 1024  768  256   1024 $4f02 $0105
 1280 1024  256   1280 $4f02 $0107
 1024  768  32k   2048 $4f02 $0116
 1280 1024  32k   2560 $4f02 $0119
 1024  768  64k   2048 $4f02 $0117
 1280 1024  64k   2560 $4f02 $011a
 1024  768  16m   3072 $4f02 $0118 R
 1280 1024  16m   3840 $4f02 $011b R

With ATI-supplied TSR (no change!):
 1024  768  256   1024 $4f02 $0105
 1280 1024  256   1280 $4f02 $0107
 1024  768  32k   2048 $4f02 $0116
 1280 1024  32k   2560 $4f02 $0119
 1024  768  64k   2048 $4f02 $0117
 1280 1024  64k   2560 $4f02 $011a
 1024  768  16m   3072 $4f02 $0118 R
 1280 1024  16m   3840 $4f02 $011b R

With sci-tech UNI-VBE
 1024  768  256   1024 $4f02 $0105
 1152  864  256   1152 $4f02 $01ef
 1024  768  32k   2048 $4f02 $0116
 1152  864  32k   2304 $4f02 $01df
 1024  768  64k   2048 $4f02 $0117
 1152  864  64k   2304 $4f02 $01cf
 1024  768  16m   4096 $4f02 $01ac R
 1152  864  16m   4608 $4f02 $01ab R

Here's the result for Diamond Monster Fusion - Scitech doesn't
know about this board.

 1024  768  256   1024 $4f02 $0105
 1280 1024  256   1280 $4f02 $0107
 1024  768  64k   2048 $4f02 $0117
 1280 1024  64k   2560 $4f02 $011a
 1024  768  16m   4096 $4f02 $0118 R
 1280 1024  16m   4096 $4f02 $011b R

Thank goodness for liberal return policies at the local stores, but
this is getting tiresome. I'll give my requirements in the next
message.

Thanks for reminding me about ves2cfg - it is exactly the right tool
for configuring Fractint.

Tim



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:10:58 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint video board

Here are my requirements for a video board. I don't know if this
board exists :-) Sadly, VESA support is getting worse.

1. Must support 1600x1200 up to 15 bit color, and lower rez modes
up to 24 bit color, with vertical refresh 75 hz or better. This means
an 4 mb board at least, though I prefer 8 mb.

2. Must have a way to control vertical refresh under DOS. It is not
good enough to control the vertical refresh via Windows drivers - I
don't want to get a headache using Fractint!

3. Must have a 1600x1200x256 VESA BIOS mode, either directly
(preferred) or via a TSR.

4. Must have good Linux support.

It is really hard to get good technical information. Any suggestions?

Tim Wegner

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:35:19 -0400
From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) An interestin

Nice image Bob!  Here's an interesting zoom into it.

Carr3416_5         { ;                                       t=3D  0:28:0=
1.07
                     ; on a P233 at 1600x1200  Apr 13, 1999  07:33:37
                     ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1960
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm
  formulaname=3Dcarr3416 passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-0.00000319254152692/+0.08639684897955899/67.0551/1/180
  params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 symmetry=3Dnone
  periodicity=3D0
  colors=3D0000Tp<5>z80<2>b50V30N20F00A00500000023057kbs<7>000220457<12>X=
cr<\
  14>33400000500A<4>07D08E2BD<9>We0<8>9E96AB47A1490004409NWCHRDHJEHAGH1GQ=
1\
  GZ2<2>Xh0bkA<3>zzz<3>lprhmoeln<10>0ch0ae0Zb<3>22R<2>33I44F45C5693350000=
0\
  0400<2>A00C00C00D00000F00<4>J00<2>c30k50r60z80yA0<2>uJ0<4>07A<2>0FM<8>g=
l\
  6lo5ps3uv2zz0<10>`00<7>zyn<8>yUF<7>x4R<9>K7TG7UC5M83F42763A00G022<4>0GG=
0\
  JY0MM0P00M24L0<4>OXe<3>5Um
  }

Lee

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:35:31 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 1600x1200

Hi Tim,

>> Thank goodness for liberal return policies at the local stores, but =

>> this is getting tiresome.

  Sure!  When I ordered my P300, I asked them to run vesa2cfg with the
video card they were trying to sell me, and the Millennium G200 was the
only one that worked fine.

>> Thanks for reminding me about ves2cfg - it is exactly the right tool =

>> for configuring Fractint.

  This is the only thing I can do!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:35:30 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint video board

Tim,

>> Here are my requirements for a video board. I don't know if this board=

>> exists :-)

  Me neither!

>> 1. Must support 1600x1200 up to 15 bit color, and lower rez modes  up =
to
>> 24 bit color, with vertical refresh 75 hz or better. This means  an 4 =
mb
>> board at least, though I prefer 8 mb.

  The Millennium G200 AGP (8mb) supports 1600x1200x64k colors at 60 Hz,
1280x1024x64k, 1024x768x16.8M.

>> 2. Must have a way to control vertical refresh under DOS. It is not =

>> good enough to control the vertical refresh via Windows drivers - I =

>> don't want to get a headache using Fractint!

  I've never tried to control vertical refresh under DOS.

3. Must have a 1600x1200x256 VESA BIOS mode, either directly =

(preferred) or via a TSR.

  No problem.

4. Must have good Linux support.

  It doesn't seem to have Linux support (the CD has drivers for Dos, OS2,=

Win 3.1/95/NT).

>> It is really hard to get good technical information. Any suggestions?

  A visit to the site of Matrox?

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:15:27 -0400
From: "Phil DiGiorgi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint video board

Hi Tim,

The Viper 550 from Diamond satisfies most, if not all, of your requirements, I
believe.   According to the specs, it will support up to 1920x1200 in 24 bit
at a refresh rate of 85 hz.   Vesa 3.0 support for 1600x1200x256 is built in,
and fractint runs fine either in plain DOS or windows 9x.

The board is supported in Linux starting with XFree86-3.3.3.   I've
experimented with it under SUSE 6.0 and Mandrake 5.3 with zero problems.   (I
haven't succeeded in getting xfract to work yet, but that's another story.)

I'm not sure about controling refresh rates under DOS, but I think there is a
small utility available from Diamond to do that.   I will check into it.

Phil D.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 2:10 AM
Subject: (fractint) Fractint video board


> Here are my requirements for a video board. I don't know if this
> board exists :-) Sadly, VESA support is getting worse.
>
> 1. Must support 1600x1200 up to 15 bit color, and lower rez modes
> up to 24 bit color, with vertical refresh 75 hz or better. This means
> an 4 mb board at least, though I prefer 8 mb.
>
> 2. Must have a way to control vertical refresh under DOS. It is not
> good enough to control the vertical refresh via Windows drivers - I
> don't want to get a headache using Fractint!
>
> 3. Must have a 1600x1200x256 VESA BIOS mode, either directly
> (preferred) or via a TSR.
>
> 4. Must have good Linux support.
>
> It is really hard to get good technical information. Any suggestions?
>
> Tim Wegner
>



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:08:51 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 1600x1200

Sylvie wrote:

>   Sure!  When I ordered my P300, I asked them to run vesa2cfg with the
> video card they were trying to sell me, and the Millennium G200 was the
> only one that worked fine.

This is kind of embarressing, because someone (probably Lee
Skinner) suggested a long time ago that Fractint do the work of
ves2cfg and figure out the settings. I tnink this is a real possibility.
Since software can detect the VESA settings, it doesn't make
sense for the user to have to run vesa2cfg and copy the numbers to
fractint.cfg. I'm always mad at computer systems that tell me
exactly what I did wrong and exactly what I should do - like the
phone telling me I forgot to dial "1" - if the computser system
knows, it should just DO it. :-)

I'll look into this. I'm not a video expert like Bert Tyler, but it might
be easy.

Thanks to those who posted the various messages about video
boards. I'm wondering if a Creative Labs RIVA TNT is another
candidate. Perhaps we should compile a list of the max VESA
resolution for various boards. If a number of people emailed scitech
about adding higher resolutions to univbe, maybe they would do it.
I'm going to ask. UNIVBE seems oriented to lower resolutions,
probably because there aren't any 1600x1200 games.

Tim

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