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fractint-digest       Saturday, January 9 1999       Volume 01 : Number 351




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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 06:30:23 -0500
From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) video modes

Thanks for the suggestions, but I've tried Sylvie Gallet's mode -- and Da=
n
Paccaloni's mode. They both give an error message. I've also tried variou=
s
ways of adding my own mode in FRACTINT.CFG, but it either draws in the
wrong places or freezes. I think the way to do it will involve modifying
the source code, but I'll need a little help with this.

Collin Merenoff

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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 08:00:56 -0500
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) video modes

The set of midgets is countable... for each period from 1 upwards there is
a finite collection of midgets whose cardioid has this period. Thus the
midgets comprise a countable union of finite sets, whichis countable.
- --
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:33:52 -0500
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) video modes

Hi Collin,

>> Thanks for the suggestions, but I've tried Sylvie Gallet's mode -- and=

>> Dan Paccaloni's mode. They both give an error message. I've also tried=

>> various ways of adding my own mode in FRACTINT.CFG, but it either draw=
s
>> in the wrong places or freezes.

  Download the following file from my web site:

    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip

  Run vesa2cfg.exe and email me the file qpv.cfg it will create.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:13:55 -0500
From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
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Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things


>On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jon Camp wrote:
>
>> But what if we took at, say, pi. Some where in the sequence of digits we
>> will find a representation of the words "This space is for rent" i.e.. 20 08
>> 09 19 19 16 01 03 05 .....
>

and on 1/9, Kerry replied:
>
>Strictly speaking:  probably, but not necessarily.  If pi is what is
>called a "normal" number, then its decimal representation contains all
>finite strings of the digits 0-9.  However, pi's normality has not yet
>been proven.  But more generally, there are infinite, non-repeating
>numbers that won't contain even your decimal representation of "This space
>is for rent", such as the number 0.10010000100000000100000000000000001...

For a good, concise, and simple description of this problem, check out:

http://www.ast.univie.ac.at/~wasi/PI/pi_normal.html

>
>> If we digitized the Mona Lisa into say 100 colors, and then made a sequence
>> out of the picture, line by line, we would have a finite sequence that would
>> have to exist inside of an infinite sequence. Could not the same thing be
>  ^^^^
>      No--just because a sequence is infinite, that doesn't mean that it
>necessarily contains all finite sequences.
>
>> said about a fractal? If we take a line straight across a given fractal and
>> obtain a sequence of numbers, won't there be an infinite number of possible
>> sequences?
>
>If you go to digitizing the Mona Lisa, then I'm sure you could find it
>somewhere in the Mandelbrot set with some suitable transformations.  But
>that would border on tweaking the answer to fit the problem, rather than
>truly finding another image in an infinite fractal.

Kerry's right... this is tweaking the answer to fit the problem, but if the
tweak results in the appearance of meaningful relationships between answers,
then it might just be a good idea.  For example, if the same coding method were
applied to the name "Leonardo DaVinci" and to the Mona Lisa, and the resulting
encoded number sequences were found in close proximity (or intermingled?) within
pi, it might make us go "hmm."  And if that same coding method had similar
results when applied to other situations, and a recognizable pattern began to
appear in the relationships of the encoded number sequences within pi, it might
make us go "hmm!"

If what's being proposed is possible at all, I kinda doubt we're going to reason
our way to the correct "coding method"...  things in our universe might be
encoded/contained within the structure of the Mandelbrot set in a number of
different ways; perhaps in the relative angles and lengths of different
filaments, the relative position and orientation of baby brots, the relative
"roughness" (read: fractal dimension) of a filament or baby brot at a given
resolution/magnification... lotsa parameters to play with here!  And might we
need to consider the hypercomplex Mandelbrot?  I personally believe some good
stuff along these lines await those willing to explore the possibilities.

And now for a par >:')

monalisa  { ; Time: 462.5 hrs on
                  ; a PII266
                  ; 144 decimal places
reset=1960 type=mandel passes=1
center-mag=-0.22563063284104807566410639404\
69227820046699558432459993619\  678982729428177074751376141733506809848938\
929300302683606404912778251442\
30441208847849/0.81188676437233157170463228\
83932476187633796780685500735\
668701233494887105445128647138527626138028\
567972428051471821127845598201\
 48238895886674325/5.5406e+138/1/47.704 params=0/0 float=y
maxiter=63031 logmap=34831 colors=@webdeep5.map
}




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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:21:47 -0500
From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

Oops,

I forgot to record colors!
>maxiter=63031 logmap=34831 colors=@webdeep5.map

If anyone wants a par that'll actually run with the colors I came up with, email
me and I'll send it... or better yet, wait a few hours and I'll have it up on my
web page at

http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason/personal/deeper.html

Cheers!

Jason Hine


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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 14:35:04 -0800
From: Christopher Springer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

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Hi Everyone...

PART I:

Thank you Kerry Mitchell, John Camp and Jason Hine for your interest and

replies regarding Infinity and All Things. Most interesting.

Kerry Mitchell replied:

> This is a common mistake, confusing "infinite" with "containing
> everything".  The Mandelbrot set truly is infinite, that is, going on (in)
> forever, but it certainly doesn't contain everything.  It's similar to a
> sequence of numbers.  Consider any infinite sequence of the digits 0-9.
> No matter what sequence you choose or how long you look, you'll never find
> the sequence "THIS SPACE FOR RENT" in the sequence.  In the same vein,
> you'll not find a Mona Lisa in the Mandelbrot set.
>
I agree that "infinite" will not "contain everything" if the infinity
referred to is one of stasis,
either Unchanging (e.g. continuous sequence of "1") or Looped (e.g.
123123123...)
BUT if the infinity is Ever Changing I think it will. Consider the
following...

My computer screen is set at 1024x768. That is,  786432 pixels.

So, we generate a binary sequence starting from Zero, and
continuing on up to 2^786432 (a RATHER LARGE number).

This will yield EVERY POSSIBLE arrangement of "ones" and "zeroes"
in the 786432 digit binary number. Equivalent to EVERY POSSIBLE
arrangement if "on" and "off" pixels on my computer screen. This means
(if we limit ourselves to a Black and White screen) that my computer
screen will show the set of "All Possible Images" that it is capable of
showing.
This will INCLUDE a picture of you, me, Mona, Lisa, and every cat, dog
and Fractal (!!!)
which is capable of being shown on a 1024x768 pixel black and white
screen.
This even includes "THIS SPACE FOR RENT", and many, many variations
thereon!

Now is this an "Infinite" number of images? No! Because anything Digital
has
the "Jaggies" at some level or other. But if the pixel number was
increased
sufficiently until our ability to see the image was the limiting factor
in our
perception, it would for all intents and purposes be "Infinite" to us
because
even if we further increased the screen resolution to display even
"finer"
differences of in-between images, we couldn't see the difference anyhow.

But for the Purist, what the heck, just get a nice Infinite Pixel
Screen, and
have done with it. THEN the number of images WOULD be INFINITE!

It is not difficult to see that all possible arrangements of Colour
could be
imposed on the "on" pixels of each image. But I kept that out of it for
now
just for simplicity.

Furthermore, the 2-dimensional Screen could be replaced with a
3-dimensional
Block of screens (Cube) to model 3-d images. Not only that, but for each

3-d Block Image could be opened rows upon rows of 3-d Block Sequences
showing All Possibilities for the NEXT image, which would define the sum
of all
possible motions through time. Talk about needing a MASSIVELY Parallel
computer!!!

So, does the original premise of Infinity and All Things, namely that
Fractals
may generate:

<< an Infinite number of shapes would be generated. This means the sum
total of
"All Possible Shapes" which COULD be generated, percieved or imagined >>

gain any sort of reprieve? Or is it doomed, in your opinions, and
therefore
should I go back to the drawing board?

PART II:

Has anyone considered displaying the DIFFERENCES in the same Fractal
Object in ZOOMS seperated by ONE or MORE Zoom Levels???

I think they would be still "Fractal" in nature, and this may open up a
whole
new area of "Difference Fractals" or "Subtractal Fractals" or whatever!

Since the differences should be small, especially between adjacent
levels,
they might be quite "whispy" and beautiful.

PART III:

Is there any way the Fractal Math (as performed by Fractint and others)
can be REVERSED? That is, instead of calculating at Zoom Level Zero,
then at Zoom 1, Zoom 2 etcetera, etcetera and so forth, could we
calculate BACKWARDS to Zoom -1, Zoom -2 etc.?
The same effect could be produced (I think!) by taking Zoom 1,2,3...etc
images and running them through what I shall call an "Extrapolative
Morph Program"
to extrapolate back to what Zoom 0 ("The Lake") -1, -2,-3... Fractals
should look like.
I think all Morph programs may be Interpolative ("Blending"). But
perhaps
an Extrapolative one does exist or could be written.

FRACTALS FOREVER!!! So many are so beautiful, let's push the Fractal
Boundaries
to the limit, and squeeze the Sponge of Beauty for all that is in it!!!

What do you all think?

Christopher de Jacques Springer


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<HTML>
Hi Everyone...

<P>PART I:

<P>Thank you Kerry Mitchell, John Camp and Jason Hine for your interest
and
<BR>replies regarding Infinity and All Things. Most interesting.

<P>Kerry Mitchell replied:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<PRE>This is a common mistake, confusing "infinite" with "containing
everything".  The Mandelbrot set truly is infinite, that is, going on (in)
forever, but it certainly doesn't contain everything.  It's similar to a
sequence of numbers.  Consider any infinite sequence of the digits 0-9.
No matter what sequence you choose or how long you look, you'll never find
the sequence "THIS SPACE FOR RENT" in the sequence.  In the same vein,
you'll not find a Mona Lisa in the Mandelbrot set.</PRE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree that "infinite" will not "contain everything" if the infinity referred
to is one of stasis,
<BR>either Unchanging (e.g. continuous sequence of "1") or Looped (e.g.
123123123...)
<BR>BUT if the infinity is Ever Changing I think it will. Consider the
following...

<P>My computer screen is set at 1024x768. That is,  786432 pixels.

<P>So, we generate a binary sequence starting from Zero, and
<BR>continuing on up to 2^786432 (a RATHER LARGE number).

<P>This will yield EVERY POSSIBLE arrangement of "ones" and "zeroes"
<BR>in the 786432 digit binary number. Equivalent to EVERY POSSIBLE
<BR>arrangement if "on" and "off" pixels on my computer screen. This means
<BR>(if we limit ourselves to a Black and White screen) that my computer
<BR>screen will show the set of "All Possible Images" that it is capable
of showing.
<BR>This will INCLUDE a picture of you, me, Mona, Lisa, and every cat,
dog and Fractal (!!!)
<BR>which is capable of being shown on a 1024x768 pixel black and white
screen.
<BR>This even includes "THIS SPACE FOR RENT", and many, many variations
thereon!

<P>Now is this an "Infinite" number of images? No! Because anything Digital
has
<BR>the "Jaggies" at some level or other. But if the pixel number was increased
<BR>sufficiently until our ability to see the image was the limiting factor
in our
<BR>perception, it would for all intents and purposes be "Infinite" to
us because
<BR>even if we further increased the screen resolution to display even
"finer"
<BR>differences of in-between images, we couldn't see the difference anyhow.
<BR>But for the Purist, what the heck, just get a nice Infinite Pixel Screen,
and
<BR>have done with it. THEN the number of images WOULD be INFINITE!

<P>It is not difficult to see that all possible arrangements of Colour
could be
<BR>imposed on the "on" pixels of each image. But I kept that out of it
for now
<BR>just for simplicity.

<P>Furthermore, the 2-dimensional Screen could be replaced with a 3-dimensional
<BR>Block of screens (Cube) to model 3-d images. Not only that, but for
each
<BR>3-d Block Image could be opened rows upon rows of 3-d Block Sequences
<BR>showing All Possibilities for the NEXT image, which would define the
sum of all
<BR>possible motions through time. Talk about needing a MASSIVELY Parallel
<BR>computer!!!

<P>So, does the original premise of Infinity and All Things, namely that
Fractals
<BR>may generate:

<P><< an Infinite number of shapes would be generated. This means
the sum total of
<BR>"All Possible Shapes" which COULD be generated, percieved or imagined
>>

<P>gain any sort of reprieve? Or is it doomed, in your opinions, and therefore
<BR>should I go back to the drawing board?

<P>PART II:

<P>Has anyone considered displaying the DIFFERENCES in the same Fractal
<BR>Object in ZOOMS seperated by ONE or MORE Zoom Levels???

<P>I think they would be still "Fractal" in nature, and this may open up
a whole
<BR>new area of "Difference Fractals" or "Subtractal Fractals" or whatever!

<P>Since the differences should be small, especially between adjacent levels,
<BR>they might be quite "whispy" and beautiful.

<P>PART III:

<P>Is there any way the Fractal Math (as performed by Fractint and others)
<BR>can be REVERSED? That is, instead of calculating at Zoom Level Zero,
<BR>then at Zoom 1, Zoom 2 etcetera, etcetera and so forth, could we
<BR>calculate BACKWARDS to Zoom -1, Zoom -2 etc.?
<BR>The same effect could be produced (I think!) by taking Zoom 1,2,3...etc
<BR>images and running them through what I shall call an "Extrapolative
Morph Program"
<BR>to extrapolate back to what Zoom 0 ("The Lake") -1, -2,-3... Fractals
should look like.
<BR>I think all Morph programs may be Interpolative ("Blending"). But perhaps
<BR>an Extrapolative one does exist or could be written.

<P>FRACTALS FOREVER!!! So many are so beautiful, let's push the Fractal
Boundaries
<BR>to the limit, and squeeze the Sponge of Beauty for all that is in it!!!

<P>What do you all think?

<P>Christopher de Jacques Springer
<BR> </HTML>

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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:42:27 -0600
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Resource list

After today's post, I will no longer be updating or posting the
FractInt Resource List. If
anyone wants to continue posting it, please feel free to use and adapt
it as needed.

Janet


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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:42:21 -0600
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Resource List

The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion
List
members=2E (Last update -- November 12, 1998)=20

Thanks to Noel Giffin, this list is also available online at:
http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/www/fractint/preslar=2Ehtml

*** New entries


FractInt
    At Spanky =97
        http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/www/fractint/fractint=2Ehtml
    Mirror site =97
        http://fractal=2Emta=2Eca/fractint/fractint=2Ehtml
    FractInt Documentation =97
        http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/www/fractint/findex=2Ehtml
    FractInt semi-official wish list =97
        http://web=2Eukonline=2Eco=2Euk/members/robin=2Eb2/olig/fracwish=2Eh=
tm


Information, Tutorials and Explanations
    Anti-Aliasing Explained (Damien M=2E Jones) =97
    http://www=2Efractalus=2Ecom/misc/antialias=2Ehtm
    Basic FractInt Hints and Tips (Linda Allison) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/basic/basic-information=2Ehtm
    Coloring Algorithms Explained (Damien M=2E Jones) =97
    http://www=2Efractalus=2Ecom/misc/implement=2Ehtm
    ColorMap tutorial (Linda Allison) =97
        http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/Paris/5519/colors=2Ehtml
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/colormaps/colormaps=2Ehtm
(mirror)
    Color Map Magic (Wizzle) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/fractals/wizmaps/wizmaps=2Ehtm
    Color Tricks (Linda Allison) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/colortricks/colortricks=2Ehtm
    Formula tutorial (Bradley Beacham) =97   =20
    http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/www/fractint/frm-tut/frm-tutor=2Ehtml
    Fractals Explained (Linda Allison) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/define/fractals_defined=2Ehtm
    Fractal Information Page (Damien M=2E Jones) =97
        http://www=2Efractalus=2Ecom/misc/info=2Ehtm
    FractInt Tutorial (Bill Rossi) -=20
     http://members=2Eaol=2Ecom/billatny/fractopi=2Ehtm
    Guide to the Mandelbrot and Julia Sets (Paul Derbyshire) =97
    http://www3=2Esympatico=2Eca/bob=2Ebeland/manguide=2Ehtml
    Help for FractInt Discussion List newcomers!! (Wizzle) =97
    http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/fractals/hints/fractint_list_q&a=2Ehtm
    High Resolution tutorial (Linda Allison) =97
    http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/Paris/5519/lesson4=2Ehtml
    Hints on getting started (Wizzle) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/fractals/hints/tips-fractint=2Ehtm
    If=2E=2E=2EElse tutorial =97
    http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/www/fractint/If_else=2Ehtml
    Par and Frm tutorial (Linda Allison) =97
        http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/Paris/5519/lesson=2Ehtml
    http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/pars_and_frms/lesson=2Ehtml (mirror)
    ParToBat, Tips and Hints for Using (or how to have a life AND
generate a
zillion fractals a day ;) ) (Linda Allison)=20
    http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/Paris/5519/epic=2Ehtml
    PHC and PTC Formula tutorial (Sylvie Gallet) =97
    http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/www/fractint/phc/phc-tutor=2Ehtml
    PNG vs=2E JPEG discussed (Damien M=2E Jones) =97
    http://www=2Efractalus=2Ecom/misc/png-jpeg=2Ehtm
    Proportioning, Sizing, and Skewing tutorial (Linda Allison) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/proportion/proportions=2Ehtm
    sci=2Efractals FAQ =97
    http://www=2Emta=2Eca/~mctaylor/sci=2Efractals-faq/
    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under =97
        http://fractal=2Emta=2Eca/fractint/fracwin95=2Ehtml
    Zooming tutorial (Linda Allison) =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/linda/zoom/zoom-lesson=2Ehtml


FractInt Discussion List
    Fractal '98 Contest =97
    http://www=2Efractalus=2Ecom/contest98/
    FractInt Discussion List archive =97
        ftp://ftp=2Exmission=2Ecom/pub/lists/fractint/archive/
    1997 Contest (thumbnails of all the entries) =97
        http://www=2Efractalus=2Ecom/contest/
    The 1997 Contest Kit (Re-create the magic at home!!) =97
        http://home=2Esan=2Err=2Ecom/jayrhill/Contestk=2Ezip
    Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (Les St=2E Clair)
    (all the pars and frms since August 1997) =97
        http://ourworld=2Ecompuserve=2Ecom/homepages/Les_StClair/fml=2Ehtm
    The iFAQ (collected topics from the list) =97
        http://home=2Esan=2Err=2Ecom/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ=2Ehtml
    Copyrights Discussed (and discussed) =97
        http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright=2Ezip
    ColorMaps collected and organized by Wizzle =97
        http://wizzle=2Esimplenet=2Ecom/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps=2Ehtm
    Dr=2E J's Fractal of the Night =97
        http://home=2Esan=2Err=2Ecom/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx=2Ehtml
    List of FractInt Mailing List members with ICQ numbers =97
    http://come=2Eto/fractinticq


Additional Programs & Utilities
    AddGifs program (Paul Carlson) =97
        http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/addgifs=2Ezip
    FractInt Screensaver v1=2E70 (Thore Berntsen) =97
        http://home=2Esol=2Eno/~thbernt/fintsave=2Ehtm
    Fractal Map Generator (Paulo Guagliumi) -
    http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/softwork/map
    MakeMap utility (Ron Barnett) =97
        http://members=2Eaol=2Ecom/RBarn0001/makemap=2Ezip
    Orgfrm program (George Martin) =97
    http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/orgfrm=2Ezip
    Partobat utility (version 3=2E4 for slower machines) (Michael
Peters) =97
        http://spanky=2Etriumf=2Eca/pub/fractals/programs/IBMPC/PARTOB=2EZIP
    http://ourworld=2Ecompuserve=2Ecom/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05=2Ehtm
    Partobat utility (version 3=2E5 for faster machines) (Michael
Peters) =97
    http://ourworld=2Ecompuserve=2Ecom/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05=2Ehtm
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:35:30 -0500
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

>BUT if the infinity is Ever Changing I think it will.

{2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, ...} never repeats and never contains 3 either.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:37:42 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

Hi Christopher
>
> Has anyone considered displaying the DIFFERENCES in the same Fractal
> Object in ZOOMS seperated by ONE or MORE Zoom Levels???
>

Easily done, thanks to a debug feature left in fractint that will colour only
the different pixels in an image loaded on top of another one if fractint is
started with the command debugflag=50.

To do this just save the two images you want to subtract, load the first one,
hit 'g' to bring up the command dialogue, enter the string:
debugflag=50
hit return then 'r'estore the second image on top of the first.

Easy!

Now if anyone gets really into this sort of thing howabout composing a
difference matrix (well half matrix really)for all the types of plotting (i.e
guessing vs tesseral, tesseral vs boundary plot, boundary plot vs single pass
etc,) and putting up a page with the results, that'd be fun!

Cheers,
     Robin.



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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:42:16 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

Oops! I forgot to mention that debugflag=50 puts a large file in your fractint
directory that notes all the co-ordinates of the pixels that
were different. It's called cmperr and you might want to get rid of it after a
session as it can easily reach a few meg in size.

Cheers,
     Robin.



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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:13:34 -0000
From: "Matthew Bennett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Next version of Fractint

Anyone know if/when the next version of Fractint will come out?
It's been so long, I'd like to know if there ever will be one, or at least
one in the next year or so.. :(

For me, I still don't know which is best.. Ultra Fractal 2.0 or Fractint...
If Fractint could add True color support and a couple of other things (such
as anti-analysis) then I'd probably stick with it. However, if Ultra Fractal
just added Fractint's "Deep Zooming" (arbitrary precision), then I'd move
over to UF instead... At the moment, I don't know which to get going with :(

Will Fractint 17.x come out before Ultra Fractal 3.0 (that should have
arbitrary precision..)?
Seems the next one to upgrade wins ;)

Any thoughts on this?

Matt

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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 19:39:21 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Next version of Fractint

Matt,

 - Will Fractint 17.x come out before Ultra Fractal 3.0 (that should have
 - arbitrary precision..)?

Um, don't you mean FractInt 20.x? :-) Even so, I don't think true color
support is slated for v20... I think it's v21 that will have full true
color support. (I am sure the FractInt developers will squash me like a bug
if I'm wrong here. :)

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Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:53:56 -0500
From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

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Christopher recently wrote:
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   =20
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whatever!=20
   =20
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   =20
   =20
    I had, at one point, considered making a little program that would =
try to automatically orient two baby 'brots so they were the same scale =
and pointed in the same direction, then perform some "image algebra" =
(subtraction or addition or multiplication or the like) on the two =
images.  I never got a Round Tuit, so the program was never written.

This topic was brought up on the list before, though, and I remember =
someone posting a formula (Paul Carlson?) which could draw two baby =
'brots superimposed on each other... I searched my save emails, but =
could not find it - can anyone else help here?

BTW, the "Mona Lisa" image, my most recent deepzoom effort, is up at:

http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason/personal/deeper.html

Cheers,
Jason Hine

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:13:03 -0800
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Resource list

Janet,

The resource has been echoed as part of the iFAQ
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html
which I last updated 10/24/98. I will update it again
and be happy to maintain it.  Truly a resource
which should not be lost.  Thank you Janet.

http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/Resource.htm

Jay


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> From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
> To: Fractint <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (fractint) Re: Resource list
> Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:42 PM
>
> After today's post, I will no longer be updating or posting the
> FractInt Resource List. If
> anyone wants to continue posting it, please feel free to use and adapt
> it as needed.
>
> Janet


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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 19:33:24 -0800
From: Christopher Springer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

Hi Everyone...

Jason Hine wrote:

 the "Mona Lisa" image, my most recent deepzoom effort, is up at:

http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason/personal/deeper.html


Now, that's a really beautiful Mona Lisa!!!

But to distinguish it from the original by Leonardo Babe, perhaps it
should

be re-named either:

"Mona Lisa on a Bad Hair Day", or:

"Shania Twain"

Any printable comments, Jason?

Chris Springer


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:59:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Infinity and All Things

At 12:37 AM 1/10/99 +0000, you wrote:

>Now if anyone gets really into this sort of thing howabout composing
>a difference matrix (well half matrix really)for all the types of
>plotting (i.e guessing vs tesseral, tesseral vs boundary plot,
>boundary plot vs single pass etc,) and putting up a page with the
>results, that'd be fun!

Speaking of differences, curiously enough, I've been experimenting
with fractals created from tiny differences between near identical
powers of Z magnified thousands of times.  The attached par file is a
sample of what is possible with this technique.

Jim Muth
[e-mail]



Punched-Out_Midget { ; 25min on a 486-100, 640x480
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix5 passes=1
  center-mag=+0.40335944301036460/+0.04045049900665\
  295/1097.327/1/95 params=-1/-9.999/1/-10/5000/-1.2
  float=y maxiter=850 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=17
  symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10
  colors=000zfKzfKwIKrJPmKThLUcMW`NYXOZWP_VQ`WRaXSbZSc\
  <42>nS_nS_oS_pS_<5>vSZvSZwSZwSZxSZ<3>zSZzSYzSYzSYzSY\
  <4>zSYzSXzSY<9>zSezSfzSh<2>zSnzSozSqzSrzSs<5>zSyzSzz\
  SzzSz<140>zSzmSz
  }

frm:MandelbrotMix5 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f,
h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1,
l=imag(p3)+1, c=pixel:
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c^l,
|z| < 100
}


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