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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:38:12 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest

Kerry,

 - I suggest limiting the entries somewhat; allowing any image from any
 - fractal program sounds just too big (to my aleph_negative-one brain).

:-) But limit in what way?

I'm not sure a coloring formula contest is a good idea, because most people
simply don't have enough experience in writing formulas to feel they can
compete evenly.

 - I also question the prohibition against post-processing.  There
 - are many post-processing operations that can be done that are still
 - within the general spirit of fractaling...

True.  I just wasn't sure how precisely the line would need to be drawn.
Processing which applied the same filter to all pixels would probably be
acceptable, and that would allow multi-layer fractals.  (Which I've used
quite a bit since I first saw the technique on your pages.)

 - Long story short--I think the motivation is more important than the tools.

Precisely why I don't want just FractInt users to participate...

 - I don't have the site-space to host it, but I volunteer to help administer
 - the contest.

OK by me.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:08:04 -0700
From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) PARS

Here are some pars from one of Brian
E.Jones very cool fungus formulas.
The last one is sloo..ooo..ooow.


1fungus            { ; re-color fungus08 c. Brian E Jones
                     ; Kerry Mitchell palette
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fungus~1.par
  formulaname=fungus03 function=cosh/sqr passes=1
  center-mag=0/0/0.8503401 float=y
maxiter=1023 inside=0
  symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=242QzaQsUUkIMcIMkQEcQ2WU2O\
MAWMEOA2GE286EK6MS6M_EUgEQS2ag6aoEiwEeg\
  2qw6yv6ynEmwAqnMyfMyZUmnQevQewIYoIav\
UanaafiiZienYqZayRayJimZeqJqyBqy3ymJ\
  ueRueZmYfmaRyQfuQnmIvmMfyAvu2wu2omE\
vqAoe2ge2_YEoaMwaMviUniQwYQoQQgII_IMo\
  UA_Q2SQ2KIE_MAKA2CA682EG2IO6MWAUcAUW\
2Yc6akAisAik2qs2uz6urEmzEqrIujMubUmj\
  UirQezMYsMYzUYraajeibeijYqbYuVauNimV\
iqNmuFqu7ymFyiNueVqYbqYVyUbuQjqIrqIj\
  yAry6zu6smEzmAsi6ke6cYEkYIsaMzeUreUz\
YUsQQkMIcMIkUAcU6WQ6OIEWIAOE6GAAC2IK\
  2ISAQ_AU_6Y_2YgAeoAio6mo2uw2uvAqvEmv\
IunIufQqfUinUivMawMYwQYvYYneefeifamf\
  YuZYuReqRimRmuJmuBuqByiJyiRqaZqYZuUZ\
yUfqMnqInuEny6vy6wqAwmEwi6oi6gaAgYIo\
  YIweQveUvaUwUUoMMgMIgQEgU6_U6SMASIES\
E6KE6C6AG6MO2IWEQcEQW6ac2YkEesEek6ms\
  6yz2yrAqzAmrMyjIybQqjQerUizIasIazQar\
YYjiebiejambayVYyNeqVemNqyFmy7uqFueN\
  yiVmabmaVuQbyUjmMrmMjuEru2zy2sqAzqE\
se2ki2caAkaMsYIziQri
  }

2fungus            { ; Kerry mitchell palette
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=fungus03 function=cosh/sqr passes=1
  center-mag=0/0/0.8503401 float=y
maxiter=1023 inside=0 outside=summ
  symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=242000QsUUkIMcIMkQEcQ2WU2OM\
AWMEOA2GE286EK6MS6M_EUgEQS2ag6aoEiwEeg\
  2qw6yv6ynEmwAqnMyfMyZUmnQevQewIYoIavU\
anaafiiZienYqZayRayJimZeqJqyBqy3ymJ\
  ueRueZmYfmaRyQfuQnmIvmMfyAvu2wu2omEv\
qAoe2ge2_YEoaMwaMviUniQwYQoQQgII_IMo\
  UA_Q2SQ2KIE_MAKA2CA682EG2IO6MWAUcAUW\
2Yc6akAisAik2qs2uz6urEmzEqrIujMubUmj\
  UirQezMYsMYzUYraajeibeijYqbYuVauNimV\
iqNmuFqu7ymFyiNueVqYbqYVyUbuQjqIrqIj\
  yAry6zu6smEzmAsi6ke6cYEkYIsaMzeUreUz\
YUsQQkMIcMIkUAcU6WQ6OIEWIAOE6GAAC2IK\
  2ISAQ_AU_6Y_2YgAeoAio6mo2uw2uvAqvEmv\
IunIufQqfUinUivMawMYwQYvYYneefeifamf\
  YuZYuReqRimRmuJmuBuqByiJyiRqaZqYZuUZ\
yUfqMnqInuEny6vy6wqAwmEwi6oi6gaAgYIo\
  YIweQveUvaUwUUoMMgMIgQEgU6_U6SMASIES\
E6KE6C6AG6MO2IWEQcEQW6ac2YkEesEek6ms\
  6yz2yrAqzAmrMyjIybQqjQerUizIasIazQar\
YYjiebiejambayVYyNeqVemNqyFmy7uqFueN\
  yiVmabmaVuQbyUjmMrmMjuEru2zy2sqAzqE\
se2ki2caAkaMsYIziQri
  }

3fungus            { ; droz map
   colors=000000R_R<3>zzz<7>0GGz0W<2>zW\
WAeL<11>7LA<7>kog<20>DRGCQFBND<15>Tn\
  PUoQTnP<23>0GGzWW<2>z0WEK0<18>avfcyi\
bwh<16>M_UzWW<2>z0WMfT<10>IWN<9>aiX<\
  5>IOK<2>Q0EF`R<4>HbOIcOHbO<27>9RK<2>6H\
H4DG5HI<5>DjWFoZEnY<21>8TR0G09N9
  }



5fungus            {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=fungus03 function=cosh/sqr passes=1
  center-mag=0/0/0.8503401 float=y
maxiter=1023 inside=0 outside=atan
  symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=K58<6>005<14>vvv<16>008<15>oc\
0<12>B820048525321031030040042033034\
  03602802B01F01K01Q40XC0eP0oc0<5>tm\
T<7>zU3<10>aLDB04F03K03Q03X03e03o13<4>\
  rKL<4>uaEudCvgAvj8wm6<2>zw0<3>i\
g4<9>upz<9>MP9<6>bhG<7>zzz<8>00c00k00t00k\
  00c00X00R00M<2>00D00B00A009<15>US\
h<2>MJc<25>eDGeDFfDEfDDgDChCB<2>`ABY9AV\
  9AT89Q79N69
  }

6fungus            {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=fungus03 function=cosh/sqr passes=1
  center-mag=0/0/0.8503401 float=y
maxiter=1023 inside=0 outside=mult
  symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=000d0L<7>z0W<7>J90<15>zW\
0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<15>0zW<\
  7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>B\
JF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>\
  WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<6>a0J
  }

7fungus            { ; map by Wizzle
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=fungus03 function=cosh/sqr passes=1
  center-mag=1.77636e-015/-1.77636e-015/0.04251701 float=y
  maxiter=1023 inside=0 outside=mult
invert=1/0/0 symmetry=xyaxis
  periodicity=0
  colors=000v0Iz0K<12>A08004000<31>00\
0<15>p0w<9>K0NH0JG0NE1R<6>2oa0wc0ua<1\
  6>4D3<23>zwm<12>KA0000<48>000330<17>0\
00KA4<13>zzc<15>A00<13>s0H
  }

0fungus            { ; map by Wizzle
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=fungus03 function=cosh/sqr passes=b
  center-mag=1.77636e-015/-1.77636e-015/0.04251701
float=y
  maxiter=1023 fillcolor=44 inside=100
outside=mult invert=1/0/0
  symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=000v0Iz0K<12>A08004000<31>0\
00<15>p0w<9>K0NH0JG0NE1R<6>2oa0wc0ua<1\
  6>4D3<23>zwm<12>KA0000<48>000330<17>0\
00KA4<13>zzc<15>A00<13>s0H
  }

avoid_exponentiation { ;jungle scene
                 ; Kerry Mitchell palette
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=fungus03 function=exp/log passes=1
  center-mag=0.000368448/0.642073/8.327461
float=y maxiter=1023
  inside=0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=2426smAzqEzmEseAsi2ki6ke\
2ca6cYAkaEkYMsYIsaIziMzeQriUreQzaUzYQsUUs\
  QUkIQkMMcIIcMMkQIkUEcQAcU2WU6WQ2OM6OI\
AWMEWIEOAAOE2GE6GA286AC2EK6IK2MS6IS\
  AM_EQ_AUgEU_6QS2Y_2ag6YgAaoEeoAiwEio\
6eg2mo2qw6uw2yv6uvAynEqvEmwAmvIqnMun\
  IyfMufQyZUqfUmnQinUevQivMewIawMYoIYwQ\
avUYvYanaYneafiefeiZiifaenYmfYqZauZ\
  YyRauReyJiqRimZemRmqJquJmyBquBuy3yqB\
ymJuiJyeRuiRqeZmaZqYfmYZuaRyUZyQfuUf\
  qQnmMnqIvmInuMfyEnyAvu6vy2wu6wq2omAw\
mEvqEwiAoe6oi2ge6ga2_YAgYEoaIoYMwaIw\
  eMviQveUniUvaQwYUwUQoQUoMQgIMgMI_IIg\
QMoUEgUA_Q6_U2SQ6SM2KIASIE_MESEAKA6K\
  E2CA6C6682AG6EG2MO2IO6IWEMWAQcEUcAQW\
6UW2ac2Yc6YkEakAesEisAek6ik2ms6qs2yz\
  2uz6yrAurEqzAmzEmrMqrIyjIujMybQubUqj\
QmjUerUirQizIezMasIYsMazQYzUarYYraYj\
  iajeebiibeejaijYmbaqbYyVYuVayNeuNiqV\
emVimNqqNmyFmuFqy7uu7yqFumFyeNyiNuiV\
  meVqabmYbqaVuYVyQbyUbuUjmQjqMrmIrqM\
juIjyEruAry2zy6zu2sq
  }

frm:fungus03{; Brian E. Jones
z = pixel , c = pixel * (whitesq == 0) + (-0.75,0.1234) * whitesq
x=imag(c), y=imag(z):
x = z + x / fn2(y)
y = z + fn1(y)
z = z * z + c
|z|<4
}






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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:06:19 -0500
From: "Lee Newsted" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

A few thoughts:
1. Post-Fractal-Generating manipulation would seem to test an individuals
ability to use a image app of one sort or another, not how  well they can
dream up and produce a fractal.
2. Some people have access to the greatest fractal program (Fractint
)because it's free. And they may not (probably not!) own any photo
manipulators.
3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the
playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same
ball with the same bat and the same pitch.

thoughts?

nuke.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest

Damien....

Great idea!!!!  The every Fractalers contest.  No reason why best fractal made
with a Fractint formula can't be a category, though along with best of Tierazon,
etc.  The entrants could decide what categories they want to enter, but I think
we ought to be limited to 3 total entries per contestant.  As I recall, Jay
posted quite a turn out and I wouldn't be surprised if we have an even bigger
one this time.

Angela

Damien M. Jones wrote:
>
> I think it would be a terrible shame to exclude users of other fractal
> software from the next contest.  Because the last contest was restricted to
> a specific formula, it was pretty much required that it be FractInt-only...
> but it would be nice to accept entries created with anything.  (Especially
> since that lets Mac users participate, too.)
>
> I like Angela's idea of categories.
>
> I have space to host the entries.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:34:52 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: New Contest

Nuke,

 - 1. Post-Fractal-Generating manipulation would seem to test an individuals
 - ability to use a image app of one sort or another, not how  well they can
 - dream up and produce a fractal.

Yes and no.  Kerry brought up a good point about A+B combos.  This is part
of dreaming up and producing a fractal.  Yes, you have to know how to use
the image editor, but just throwing two random fractal images together
usually doesn't produce pleasing results.  (I've tried. :)  Some of my
favorite images are composited in this way.

 - 2. Some people have access to the greatest fractal program (Fractint
 - )because it's free.

So are dozens of other fractal generators, many of which do not directly
support FractInt parameter and formula files.

 - And they may not (probably not!) own any photo manipulators.

There are free graphics editors.  A quick perusal of WinFiles.com showed
several:

    http://www.winfiles.com/apps/98/graph-editors.html

Of course, there were also several shareware editors listed.

 - 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the
 - playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same
 - ball with the same bat and the same pitch.

It also unlevels it, if someone isn't familiar with FractInt but IS
familiar with another program.  True?

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:52:15 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: New contest

Lee....

The "official" term for the contest official is Grand Pooh Bah. Last time Jay
Hill held the title since he hosted the contest at his web site (and very well
too!!!!).

I nominate Damien Jones for Grand Pooh Bah II.  Any seconds?

Proposed Categories:

1.  Best Fractint fractal
2.  Best Tierason, etc.  fractal (other programs are welcome to have categories)
3.  Funniest fractal
4.  Most anthropomorphic fractal
5.  Best fractal in the "human organ" category - the actual organ of "choice"
may not be revealed by the fractaler but must be submitted to the Grand Pooh
Bah......in voting, the audience will have a chance to guess what the fractal is
supposed to be.  An organ....er....image....must get at least 5 correct
guesses/votes to be in the running.  We don't want any unidentified flying
organs on this mailing list!!!!
6.  Best julia
7.  Best mandlebrot (I still don't understand the dust part)
8.  Best star or mandela (love those)
9.  Ugliest fractal
10. Best fractal made while inebriated or (for the non-drinkers) exhausted or
otherwise fractal-impaired.

Angela aka wizzle
.


Lee Newsted wrote:
>
> O.K.
> It seems like we have at least minimal interest, and some pretty good
> ideas for rules. I say "Let's do it!"
>
> How about we start sending in ideas an get this thing rolling!
>
> nuke.
>
> Any volunteers for self-nominations or regular nominations for "rule
> emperor"?

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:40:24 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest

Angela,

 - The entrants could decide what categories they want to enter, but I think
 - we ought to be limited to 3 total entries per contestant.

Ah, yeah, when I said three per contestant, I meant three total, not three
per category. =)  And a single entered image could be entered for more than
one category.  I'm not sure it would be necessary to specifically state
which categories things were entered for; no point limiting your chances
unnecessarily.  Except if there were categories for images created with
different software, as you suggested.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:58:45 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest

I like the idea of a category for post-processed fractals like the ones Kerry
and others do.  The only limitation should be that the fractal is recognizable
as such after processing.

The other suggestions sound fine.

Kerry Mitchell wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote:
>
> > Here are my suggestions regarding rules.  First, any image from any fractal
> > program using any parameters would be accepted.  The only condition be that
> > the image not be post-processed in another program later.  (Unless we want
> > to have a category for post-processed fractals?)  Reducing image size for
> > purposes of anti-aliasing would not be considered post-processing.  Each
> > participant could submit up to three images; parameter files (for whatever
> > software used to produce the image) would be encouraged but not required.
>
> I suggest limiting the entries somewhat; allowing any image from any
> fractal program sounds just too big (to my aleph_negative-one brain).
> I've already posted my suggestions and rationale, so I won't do that
> again.  I also question the prohibition against post-processing.  There
> are many post-processing operations that can be done that are still within
> the general spirit of fractaling, and some Fractint formulas are
> approaching painting; I see fractalizing as a holstic endeavor (apply this
> formula with these colors to every point on the screen), as opposed to
> painting/retouching (tweak this pixel here, that line there).  If the
> image operations are applied in a similar, whole-image-at-once fashion, I
> don't see that as being a problem.  For example, I often compute 2
> fractals, call them A and B.  They both have the same computational
> parameters, but maybe one is an escape-time image and one is a
> decomposition image.  Then, (A+B), (A-B), (A*B) are all "fractal" images,
> just that they were finished with an image processing program.
>
> Long story short--I think the motivation is more important than the tools.
>
> > Images would be judged by the public, via an e-mail voting system.
> > Selections for "best color", "best shape", "best minibrot", "oddest
> > fractal", "best overall", and any other categories we might come up with...
> > I'd like to see lots of categories, thus lots of potential winners.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > The names of contest entrants and the parameter files (if provided) would
> > be withheld until the contest is over, to prevent rip-offs and/or biased
> > judging.  Obviously some artists' work would be recognizable as such, but
> > this is probably the best that can be done.
>
> Sounds good.
>
> > As I said, I have space to host the contest site.  I've not heard any other
> > volunteers in this area.  The previous contest site checks in at about 20M;
> > this one would be similar.
>
> I don't have the site-space to host it, but I volunteer to help administer
> the contest.
>
> Kerry
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> [e-mail]
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:05:37 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(fractint) New Contest

I'd be thrilled to participate in a fractal contest!  Whenever the decision is
made to have one, please include me among the contestants........and let the
games begin!

Jim

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:10:39 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re:New contest

Lee Newsted wrote in part:

> 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the
> playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same
> ball with the same bat and the same pitch.
>
> thoughts?

Yes. I am ill at ease with the idea that as in sports in the arts too a level
playing field ought to be constructed. Still, Nuke does have a point here not
to be dismissed lightly. I can speak only for myself, of course, but if I am
not mistaken others have expressed similar views at the time, namely that the
most fun in the previous contest consisted of receiving the pars posted to
this list and generating them one by one. This is only possible if such pars
are posted as all of us, or at least the vast majority of us, have a capacity
to generate, and that means Fractint based pars and no manipulations. The
contest will have a very different character if we will have to visit a web
site to see the entries as thumbnails, since I doubt that anyone can provide
space for possibly hundreds of images in high resolution. (I could be wrong
about this!?)

Perhaps I ought to refrain from commenting on such matters, since much to my
regret the contest comes at a bad time for me: I am getting ready soon to go
on a 3-4 week long trip and will have to unsubscribe in the meantime.

Gedeon

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:22:38 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:New contest

Gedeon,

 - ...if I am not mistaken others have expressed similar views at the time,
 - namely that the most fun in the previous contest consisted of receiving
 - the pars posted to this list and generating them one by one.

As you point out, this is only practical if there is some consistency in
parameter files and software.  Losing this ability is the cost of opening
up the contest to non-FractInt participants.  I think it's worth it, but
clearly there are dissenting opinions.

 - The contest will have a very different character if we will have to
 - visit a web site to see the entries as thumbnails, since I doubt that
 - anyone can provide space for possibly hundreds of images in high
 - resolution. (I could be wrong about this!?)

Yep, you're wrong. :-)  Hundreds of megs are indeed at my disposal.
Hundreds of 640x480 images, probably about 200K apiece, does not pose a
problem for me.  (Larger sizes can be accomodated too, if the majority of
participants so desire.)  However, it may pose a problem for those
participating in the voting, due to the average download speed on a 56K
modem. :)  I can make thumbnails of images as they come in (as can anyone
who volunteers to help, as Kerry did).

 - Perhaps I ought to refrain from commenting on such matters...

Nah, comment away... feedback is good.  A contest designed without the
consent of the contestants won't generate many contestants.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:45:11 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal

Kragen...

I don't think you were a subscriber to the list during our short....but very
funny.....swapping of fractals of an organ-ic nature. I can't remember how that
particular topic got started but the response was spirited to say the least.

However, being an equal-opportunity sort of wizzle, I think we should expand to
a human organ category for the contest.  Which brings up a question in my
demented mind.  Are lips an organ? Ears? or are they, strictly speaking, body
parts?  When I suggested an organ category I meant both internal and external
organs/and or body parts. It's important to get those rules clear!!!

wizzle

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote:
> > 1.  Formula contest (haven't figured out the rules yet)
> > 2.  Image contest based on winning formula with categories this time, i.e.
> > funniest, most gynecological, best in show, etc.
>
> "Most gynecological"?  Wizzle, you're a hoot.  :)
>
> Kragen

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:24:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest

Some thoughts:

If the categories are not narrow, thus imposing limits, such as poetry
forms like haiku do, then there is little point.  Many folk have great
websites with amazing images (Gedeon Peteri's and Sylvie Gallet's being
sites with amazing images that I visited today alone- there are too many
to mention, really), so what is the point of an open, free-for all
contest?  The categories will need to be such that they demand of folk
something they won't have already done, if there is to be a point to it all.


I'd suggest, particularly if this moves over to the fractal-art list, that
we'd get more interest out of the art side of things if folk had to
explain their votes.  It is not a matter of justification, but of gaining
insight into how others think and relate to the images.

I'd note that the previous contest grew out of a discussion of copyright
in relation to formulas and the idea was to test the extent to which the
image depended on the artist and not on the formula.  As there was little,
or no discussion of how the contest images illustrated this, I feel that
it failed to some extent in its original purpose.  Of course, I suspect
some of the failure to discuss things (I was no exception) may have been
due to fatigue in following the contest and being overwhelmed by the many
great images.



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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:New contest

Gedeon writes:
>
>Lee Newsted wrote in part:
>
>> 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the
>> playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same
>> ball with the same bat and the same pitch.
>>
>> thoughts?
>
>Yes. I am ill at ease with the idea that as in sports in the arts too a level
>playing field ought to be constructed. Still, Nuke does have a point here not
>to be dismissed lightly. I can speak only for myself, of course, but if I am
>not mistaken others have expressed similar views at the time, namely that the
>most fun in the previous contest consisted of receiving the pars posted to
>this list and generating them one by one. This is only possible if such pars
>are posted as all of us, or at least the vast majority of us, have a capacity
>to generate, and that means Fractint based pars and no manipulations. The
>contest will have a very different character if we will have to visit a web
>site to see the entries as thumbnails, since I doubt that anyone can provide
>space for possibly hundreds of images in high resolution. (I could be wrong
>about this!?)

I agree with this, particularly about the need to be able to view images
in high resolution, which may be beyond the ability of any one host.  (Part
of the fun is also in seeing new techniques and trying them out, which is
a lot easier with the parameters being supplied.  Fractint's installed
base gives it a big advantage in this sort of thing.)  Perhaps folk who
already have web pages could post their own images there in high-res with
links from thumbnails on the contest site, while those who do not have web
pages could submit images that would be displayed in high res on the
contest site.

>Perhaps I ought to refrain from commenting on such matters, since much to my
>regret the contest comes at a bad time for me: I am getting ready soon to go
>on a 3-4 week long trip and will have to unsubscribe in the meantime.

Gedeon: maybe you can just submit some of the images already at your site,
many would be worthy in almost any conceivable contest.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:05:04 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest

Hi Angela Wilczynski <[e-mail]>

> The "official" term for the contest official is Grand Pooh Bah. Last time Jay
> Hill held the title since he hosted the contest at his web site (and very
well
> too!!!!).

Thanks, it was fun.

> I nominate Damien Jones for Grand Pooh Bah II.  Any seconds?
>
> Proposed Categories:
>
> 1.  Best Fractint fractal
> 2.  Best Tierason, etc.  fractal (other programs are welcome to have
categories)
> 3.  Funniest fractal
> 4.  Most anthropomorphic fractal
> 5.  Best fractal in the "human organ" category - the actual organ of "choice"

I'll be very careful sticking my 'nose' into this one... Last time,
it all started when I suggested a slight rotation of the color
scheme on a wizzle image. And while a few in the Dr. J series
may have raised a few eyebrows, there are others I don't
dare post.

> 6.  Best julia
> 7.  Best mandlebrot (I still don't understand the dust part)
> 8.  Best star or mandela (love those)
> 9.  Ugliest fractal
> 10. Best fractal made while inebriated or (for the non-drinkers) exhausted or
> otherwise fractal-impaired.
>
> Angela aka wizzle

And when you settle on the categories, a test voting using last
years contest might be interesting. There were some great
'cartoons' and even 'ugly' (?) fractals.

The last contest was a 'Limited' Fractint contest - one formula
only. We still have not seen an 'Unlimited Fractint' contest.
Last time we saw three winners, all spirals, with nice coloring.
The inventive were ignored, lost in the diversity.

What we can expect this time? The multitude of categories
will help, giving a wink to (with suggested winners from the
last contest)

Best Cartoon, jjf_3
Best Monster Plant, Bknambo3
Best Mechanical Device, Valero_2
Best Horror Movie, Peter_2
Best Robot, Gmarson1
Best Space Object, JayHill2 :-)
Best Alien Monster, Alxndr2
Best Ugliest Fractal, Angela3 (just kidding! really!)
Best Sea Creature, Trmoe-3
etc.

But the clamor will be over the Best HiColor Glamour Art which
will leave the Fractintiers out of the running. Frankly, for now,
you will pry 19.6 out of my ... well maybe 20.0 will do the job.
But 20.0 is a while away. :-(

Jay


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:30:56 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 3 pars(fn*z+z)

Here's 3 more images from something other than the mandel fnfn formula<g>

Enjoy~

Jim
*****************************************************************

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:31:08 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 8 pars(various)

Here's a few random samples from various formulae that was included with
orgfrm.zip......Enjoy~

Jim
****************************************************************************

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pr15005            { ; 0:00:22.30 75mhz 800x600
                     ; 7/10/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
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