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fractint-digest         Saturday, May 16 1998         Volume 01 : Number 205




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Date: Fri, 15 May 98 18:16:41 +0100
From: Oliver Klimek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Another newbie

Paul Carlson replied to me:

>>You might call me an
>>inside=0/outside=iter/decomp=0 purist. This does not mean that I don't
>>like all these pictures with nifty coloring effects. I love to look at
>>them, but somehow I think I should do something different. It is true that
>>with some "special effects" you can make an otherwise boring image look
>>interesting. But I prefer to go for those that are interesting whitout
>having to polish them.

> I'm sure you don't mean that those formulas which use orbit traps
> or bailout criteria more complex than a circle are less mathematically
> pure or that the resulting image is less of a fractal than the escape
> time level set algorithm.  One reason I like to experiment with orbit
> traps is that the resulting image contains considerably more information
> about the dynamics of the iteration than the escape time algorithm.  But
> I would have to agree that, without studying the formulas involved, it
> would appear that orbit trap formulas are just a form of special effects.

I dont't mean bailout criteria and orbit traps in general. You have to
find some way to end the iteration, be it |z|>4 or something like
sin(z)<cos(1/pixel). It is just an arbitrary condition anyway. My point is
not about mathematical purity.

I rather mean that some coloring methods where the iteration levels
themselves are decomposed create so much "business" on the screen that it
is hard to notice details of the fractal itself. Zoom into Seahorse Valley
with decomp=256 to see an extreme example. Often I see a stunningliy
beautiful fractal picture and sort of admire how the artist has managed to
hide the original shape of the fractal so perfectly. But for my own
pictures I prefer exploration to coloration (I'm not talking about maps
here, wizzle), mainly because I am just too curious to see what lies one
zoom level further down. Of course, I want to create beautiful images as
well, but I think the beauty should lie in the fractal itself more than in
the method of displaying (or hiding) it.

I am sure everyone on this list has a slightly different opinion about
this topic. And this is the reason that there indeed can be such a thing
as "personal style" in fractal images. Which, by the way, leads us
straight on to the topic of copyright which has been already discussed to
death here, as my study of the archives shows me, so I won't comment on
that.

This is one of the great things about Fractint: it allows you to create
images according to your personal preferences, however diverse they may
be. (Well, besides the current lack of true true color support, maybe).
You tell it to the program, not vice versa.

Oliver

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:11:40 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Heavens Gate par

Angela,

>> On what basis should one experiment with maxiter?  I'm unfamiliar
>> with how that affects an image.

  That was obvious: just look at the blue hole at the center of the spira=
l
in the original image.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:11:42 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) gallet-6-08 formula

Hi Bill,

>> Yes, I did send out one of the pars with a reference to a local map.
>> I've repaired my fault below

  Thanks.

>>  but it brings up a question that has popped into my mind every now
>> and then but has never embarrassed me up to this point: How do you
>> *force* Fractint to put the color map into the par explicitly?

  Add recordcolors=3Dyes or recordcolors=3Dcomment to your sstools.ini (s=
ee
Fractint.doc page 113).

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:11:39 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Double Pentagram Spiral

>> I just couldn't help myself and had to recolor it too...

  Me too...

sg_pentagram       { ; "Double Pentagram" (c) Joe Pearson May 06, 1998
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, May 15, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; recolored using deep11.map
  reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D+0.00000000000000000/+0.00000000000000000/1523.981/1/65
  params=3D-0.7612078329687501/0.08479657003125 float=3Dy maxiter=3D2000
  logmap=3D518
  colors=3D0A0<13>5eW<31>121000001<21>3KZ4L`5Na<7>CakDcmDdm<6>JkmKmmKlk<1=
3>6\
  LG5JD6LE<14>JdMKfNLhM<12>wt1<12>DVF<9>BI9BH8BH8<4>9D6<2>MG7QH8UI9YJAaLB=
e\
  MCgODjQF<13>xnGypGzrF<6>xvqwwwuvw<14>FZh<11>A0A<9>uU0<13>zzcvycqwb
  }

        - Sylvie

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:37:28 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) question about time

>I added that line to my sstools.ini too.  One further question...I assume
>this
>comment is made on the first line and that additional comments should be
>entered
>into the 2nd and 3rd lines of the par....is this correct?
>
>Angela
>
>> comment=______________(c)_Joe_Pearson_$date$_t=$calctime$/time_on_486-75
>> _640x480

The / divides lines - so the above puts "time on 486-75 640x480" on the
second line.  You can leave comments blank with multiple //, so you can
type there.  I think my setting is a bit long as the calctime always
seems to wrap in emails - it *just* fits on the 'b' screen.  But I want
a description, my name, a date and the calc time on the first line!!

Joe









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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:41:38 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) All computers are not created equal

>Welp...just goes to show you.  I have the same settings, and windows has a
>nervous breakdown when I alt-tab from fractint.

Even in disk-video? No graphic displayed?  It could be any one of 150
Microsoft things.

I'm going where no email can reach me for a week and no time now to
think about it.  There may be some other posts I haven't responded to.
See you later!  Joe

>

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:41:12 -0400
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Winfract and Partobat?

At 09:19 AM 15/05/98 +0200, you wrote:
>>I just downloaded Winfract, and while it clearly isn't as great as Fractint
>>dos(I would adore color cycling, but I take what I can get),

Winfract does allow colour cycling. However, it will not work
if your windows video setting is set for more than 256 colours.

Regards - Jack

visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:50:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal-Art list threatened with extinction!

I see that after June 15, 1998 Jon Noring will no longer be
able to administer the Fractal-Art mailing list, and if no
one volunteers to take over the task, the list will cease to
exist after only one year of life.  My prediction is that no
one will step forward to assume the task and the list will
die.

Jon says that other things in his life will make it
impossible for him to continue as list administrator, but I
wonder if it is not just disappointment and futility that is
causing him to throw in the towel.  Day after day goes by
when my FOTD and Jay's FOTN are the only posts.

The Fractal-Art list started out quite active, however it
was apparent from the start that the subscribers really
wanted to talk about Fractint.  When Tim started the
Fractint list, the Fractal-Art subscribers migrated to the
Fractint list and the Fractal_Art list basically dropped
dead.

I would take over the task of running the F.A. list if I
had the time, which I do not.  But if I assumed the
position of administrator, I would re-write the charter
and rename the list something like "Fractal Trek".

The purpose of the new list would be to create a place
where intrepid fractal explorers could join together into
a group much like the crew of the good ship Enterprise, and
share adventures.  My enjoyment of fractals lies in the
adventure, and in the excitement of discovering scenes that
no one has seen before.  I revel in the simple fun of going
and seeing what lies beyond the next blow-up.

If the Fractal-Art list dies, it will have served its
purpose of showing that fractals are indeed art.  When the
list is gone, I will simply shift the FOTD to the Fractint
list, and I assume Jay will do the same with his FOTN.  And
I don't know of anything in the Fractint list charter that
prevents the art aspect of fractals from being discussed.


Jim Muth
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:45:43 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractal-Art list threatened with extinction

Jim,

 - My prediction is that no one will step forward to assume
 - the task and the list will die.

That would be a sad thing, indeed.  Are you a pessimist, Jim? :-)

 - The Fractal-Art list started out quite active, however it
 - was apparent from the start that the subscribers really
 - wanted to talk about Fractint.

I think that's because the FractInt userbase had long ago expanded beyond
the CompuServe forum where it started; there were plenty of people looking
for a public place where they could talk about FractInt.  A mailing list is
just about the most easily accessible discussion forum on the net.  So when
Fractal-Art appeared, obviously people talked about the most commonly-used
fractal program.

I think it's a good thing that Tim Wegner started the FractInt list; it
helps direct application-specific material to a more suitable forum and
keeps Fractal-Art focused more on other matters related to, well, fractal
art. :)

 - When the list is gone, I will simply shift the FOTD to the Fractint
 - list, and I assume Jay will do the same with his FOTN.

Sounds like you've already written the Fractal-Art list off...

 - And I don't know of anything in the Fractint list charter that
 - prevents the art aspect of fractals from being discussed.

Nothing preventing it, but given the current volume on the FractInt list,
and that most of it is PAR-swapping, I'd say discussions about the art side
of fractals would be drowned out.  I'm not saying I don't like what's on
the FractInt list (if that were so, I wouldn't subscribe) but I think there
are valid reasons to maintain two lists--especially since the art aspect
applies no matter what software one uses, and I doubt explorers who
primarily use software besides FractInt will subscribe to a list where the
traffic is 95% FractInt-specific.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:54:30 EDT
From: SKarl52884 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint)Modification of Morgans Worshipful

Here's a slight modification of a par by Morgan. { Hope you don't
mind....couldn't resist}  Also ...appologies to Earth,Wind, and Fire. This is
pretty close to that album jacket I think.

Steve

~~^~~^~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~

Worshipful-sk      { ; Manship.  I am,we are.(mod. by SK 5/22/98)
                     ; Original Image and inspiration by: Morgan L. Owens
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=ca03
  function=abs passes=b
  center-mag=0.0420974/-0.0420974/0.8313408/1/-44.999
  params=1/-0.1/1/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan
  colors=000430<4>000000100<76>yV0zW0zW0zX0<29>zz0<15>zzz<15>zz0<30>zX0zW0\
  zW0yW0<70>530
  }

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:51:21 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Chat

Paul Derbyshire has requested that we chat at 5PM PDT or 8PM EDT Saturday
evening (5/16/98). If that's OK with most, let's go with that.

The usual suspects will assemble on the Undernet in #fractals.

See you there!!!

If you need help getting started with chatting, email me at

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:25:05 -0500
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) question about time

Paul Carlson typed:
>
> Somebody recently suggested that I include the computation time in
> the pars I send to the list.  This seems like a good idea but, being
> relatively new to Fractint, I don't how to do this.
>
> Also, will it work if the image is saved unfinished and reloaded?
>
 The computation time is always available during or after creation of a
Fractint fractal image by tapping the *tab* key.

Bob "Cyberfractals" Margolis

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:54:43 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) All computers are not created equal

Try alt+enter.....that works for me except that color cycling goes mad when I
return to fractint with alt+enter again. Otherwise....all is well

RJ Corradino wrote:
>
> Welp...just goes to show you.  I have the same settings, and windows has a
> nervous breakdown when I alt-tab from fractint.
>

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractals and Poetry

>FRM:poem { ; created using FracText 1.0 α6 - by Jan Maarten van der Valk

Les,

What is FracText, and (where) can one get it? I believe it is the same thing
that was used to make the Happy New Year par that was posted a while ago.



- --
Mike Traynor

People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
    Abraham Lincoln

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:35:41 -0400
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

Emacs... an operating system shell disguised as an editor. Someone's probably
written an elisp hack for a key-popup fake pseudo-spreadsheet for when you see
the boss coming down the aisle headed for your cubicle... and it got buried in
the "compact" install... no wonder they call it "eight megabytes and constantly
swapping" :-)

- --
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:27:38 +0000
From: "Dave Irwin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint Deep-Zooming and Planck's Length

Hi Fractint zealots
  I am developing some theories in the world of the very small and
have come across a definition called Planck's length which appears to
suggest that there is a limit to a measure of 10 to the minus 33. As
this measure is way bigger than that which can be developed in Deep
Zooming - 19.5 documentation, page 144 quotes 10 to the 1600 - can
you tell me if there is any discussion or reference on the web that
rationalises this discrepancy.

 The essence of the theories I am developing are to suggest that time
is the THIRD dimension!!!

Replies to the list or to me individually will be appreciated.

Dave in Toronto

Dave Irwin
Toronto Ontario Canada
[e-mail] http://www.netcom.ca/~irwin
Time is the THIRD Dimension

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:28:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson)
Subject: (fractint) Barnsley Petals Formula

comment {
I liked Oliver Klimek's SpiralOfDoomstiny so I decided to try
my petals rendering method on it.  Using the petals method with
Oliver's par produced a rather unspectacular spiral, but did reveal
that the spiral is a double spiral with one arm of the spiral
trapping odd iterations, the other arm trapping even iterations.

Anyhow, since I spent the time combining the Barnsley equations
with the petals rendering, I thought I might as well use it and
so here's a couple of pars that do produce some fairly decent
images.  The pars do not have computation times in the comments
because I already had the coordinates and parameters so I only ran
these at very low resolution with solid guessing just to make sure
they worked.

The images are better than you might expect, given the discontinuities
produced by the Barnsley equations.  The discontinuities do appear
in the images, but notice how the major blossums are unaffected in
the first par.

Paul Carlson
}

frm:Petals_Barnsley1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
    ;   p1       = coordinates of the Julia set
    ;   real(p2) = radius of the circles - this controls
    ;              the size of the petals
    ;   imag(p2)   not Used
    ;   real(p3) = number of color ranges
    ;   imag(p3) = number of colors in each color range
    ;
    w = pixel
    c = p1
    z = range_num = iter = 0
    r = real(p2)
    ir = flip(r)
    r2 = r * r
    num_ranges = real(p3)
    colors_in_range = imag(p3)
    index_factor = colors_in_range / (r2 + r2)
    :
    IF (real(w) >= 0)
    w = (w - 1) * c
    ELSE
    w = (w + 1) * c
    ENDIF
    ;
    c1 = (|w -  r| < r2)
    c2 = (|w + ir| < r2)
    c3 = (|w +  r| < r2)
    c4 = (|w - ir| < r2)
    IF (c1 && c4)
    d = |w - r - ir|
    ELSEIF (c1 && c2)
    d = |w - r + ir|
    ELSEIF (c2 && c3)
    d = |w + r + ir|
    ELSEIF (c3 && c4)
    d = |w + r - ir|
    ELSE
      d = 0
    ENDIF
    IF (d > 0)
    z = index_factor * d + range_num * colors_in_range + 1
    ENDIF
    range_num = range_num + 1
    IF (range_num == num_ranges)
        range_num = 0
    ENDIF
    iter = iter + 1
    z = z - iter
    d == 0 && |w| < 1.0e20
}

brn1ptl1           { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ptlbarn1.frm
  formulaname=Petals_Barnsley1 passes=t
  corners=-0.765795213/-1.1017582/1.03934735/0.830473629/-0.786\
  482501/1.0669304 params=1/1/0.8/0/8/30
  float=y maxiter=242 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=0000C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<\
  11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z88<1\
  1>R11c40<14>vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>aG0000<13>000
  }

brn1ptl2           { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ptlbarn1.frm
  formulaname=petals_barnsley1 passes=t
  corners=-2/2/-1.5/1.5 params=0.7/0.7/0.3/0/2/125
  float=y maxiter=242 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000C02<58>pEYqEYrFZsF_rFZqEY<59>C02HKS<60>MnuMovMnu<60\
  >HKS000000DGO000000
  }


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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:40:46 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Conic Sections coloring methods

Did anyone actually see and/or read that 20K tome I posted a few days ago?
Just curious.

Kerry Mitchell


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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 06:38:26 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Conic Sections coloring methods

At 11:40 PM 5/15/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Did anyone actually see and/or read that 20K tome I posted a few days ago?
>Just curious.
>
>Kerry Mitchell


Yes, indeed. And forwarded it to myself at UMd to print out and look at
while "w!@#$%^". I did notice at the lead of the frms a fingerfehler where
E=P3R _and_ P3I, but since that is in commentary as opposed to operational
it makes no difference. Probably no one else caught it since it affects
nothing. As I have time, hopefully at some point this wekend, I may give a
shot at writing a conic frm using your info.
And thank you for posting it!
Best Regards,
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:22:15 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractals and Poetry

Hi Mike,

>What is FracText, and (where) can one get it? I believe it is the same thing
>that was used to make the Happy New Year par that was posted a while ago.

Fractext was written by Jan Maarten van der Valk <[e-mail]>
As far as I know it isn't available publicly as Jan was still developing the
program.
The version I have is 1-alpha-6 - which is fully functional and bug-free.

I will gladly make the alpha version available through my web site (75K zip
file) if it's OK with Jan.
I haven't heard from Jan in a l-o-n-g while, but will try to contact him this
weekend.

Returning to your original question concerning overlaying poetry on an image - I
think you will find Fractext of limited use in this department (unless your
poems are very short!). The problem is that, for a long text message, the
required formula will become too large for Fractint to handle.

The nice aspect of Fractext is that it allows you to generate text overlay in an
image that you can continue to manipulate (zoom, rotate, re-color etc.) in
Fractint.

I suspect, as others have already said, you will probably achieve the best
results using a program like Paint Shop Pro. With this you can easily overlay
text, as a floating object, using any font, with the option of adding effects
such as drop shadow, cut-out etc.

cheers, Les


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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:40:55 -0400
From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint Deep

Hi Dave,

>>  I am developing some theories in the world of the very small and have=

come across a definition called Planck's length which appears to suggest
that there is a limit to a measure of 10 to the minus 33. <<

In the physical world where the units are centimeters, yes.  But what if
the units you choose are are Hubble radii?

>> The essence of the theories I am developing are to suggest that time i=
s
the THIRD dimension!!!<<

Unless you are speaking as a Flatlander, I suppose you can order the
dimensions anyway you choose.  I would prefer to see time as the FIRST
dimension, followed by the other 9, or 10 or 25 depending on which symmet=
ry
you believe the universe is based on.  Hilbert Space can accomidate an
infinite (countable) number of dimensions.

Lee Skinner

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:43:54 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint Deep-Zooming and Planck's Length

Dave asked:


<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>> Hi Fractint zealots

>   I am developing some theories in the world of the very small and

> have come across a definition called Planck's length which appears to

> suggest that there is a limit to a measure of 10 to the minus 33. As

> this measure is way bigger than that which can be developed in Deep

> Zooming - 19.5 documentation, page 144 quotes 10 to the 1600 - can

> you tell me if there is any discussion or reference on the web that

> rationalises this discrepancy.


</color>When you zoom into a fractal you aren't zooming into physical space, where
Planck's length applies, but the mathematical space of complex numbers,
which suffers from no such quantization. Complex numbers are not limited by
Planck's length, and in fact are not limited at all.


True, the ability of computers to deep zoom is limited, but only by the memory
size needed to represent arbitrary precision numbers of sufficient precision and
the time to render the image. But this limitation is not due to the
characteristics of complex numbers. One can mathematically define
deepzoomed fractal objects that would be impossible to render on a real
computer, but still exist.


There is no upper bound on magnifications possible with fractals based on
complex numbers.


Fractint's limit of 10^1600 is due to the restriction of placing all arbitrary
precision variables in one 64K piece of memory. I'm sure with a small bit of
effort, this limit could be extended -- on today's computers 64K is no big deal.
The only reason we haven't done this is that slow rendering is the real practical
limit for zoom depth. Anyone who implements arbitrary precision under a 32 bit
environment like Win95 or Linux can easily achieve zoom depths vastly greater
than 10^1600. We will remove this limit when Fractint is ported to Win95 (we
could eliminate the limit now with Xfract if anyone cared.)


Are you ready for 10^16000?


Tim

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:16:57 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) web page

My first effort at putting up a web page is now complete. I invite all
of you to visit it at either of the following addresses:

http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4094/

It is a GeoPlus site, so you won't be bombarded with advertising
banners. Your patience, however, will in all probability be taxed by the
slow load of all 6 pages on the site. I apologize for that, but having
kept extraneous material, including text, to a minimum, I wound up with
pages loaded with fractals.

There is a page dedicated to Paul Carlson with some of my images based
on his formulas. The most useful feature of this page is a complete set
of all Paul's formulas and pars posted to this list in 1997 & 1998, 72
and 270 respectively, available for download. If you are missing any of
these, here is a place to get them.

Another page contains Chebyshev fractals, including some based on a beta
version of formulas now being developed by Morgan L. Owens.

I am a rank beginner in formula writing, but I ventured to put up a page
of images based on a set of simple formulas I wrote. The formulas and
pars are available for download.

Some time ago there was some talk on this list about deep zooms. I got
temporarily inspired by that talk, and so I devoted a page to 8 midgets
ranging from e+21 to e+305 magnification. Self similarity is very
obvious.

Every now and then I ran across a fractal that reminded me of this or
that animal. I collected some of these on a page entitled Fractal Zoo.

Your critical comments would be greatly appreciated.

Gedeon



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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:40:38 -0700
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Planck's Length

At 02:27 AM 5/16/98 +0000, Dave Irwin wrote:
>  I am developing some theories in the world of the very small and
>have come across a definition called Planck's length which appears to
>suggest that there is a limit to a measure of 10 to the minus 33. As
>this measure is way bigger than that which can be developed in Deep
>Zooming - 19.5 documentation, page 144 quotes 10 to the 1600 - can
>you tell me if there is any discussion or reference on the web that
>rationalises this discrepancy.

Fractals are mathematical abstractions with arbitrary scale,
and are thus exempt from the strictures of quantum theory
(but I suspect you knew this already).


Bud


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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:41:38 EDT
From: SKarl52884 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page

In a message dated 98-05-16 11:19:05 EDT, you write:

<< http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html >>
Gedeon...
Nice site...tastefully done. It should be hooked into the infinite loop.
Steve

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:01:28 -0600
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractal-Art mailing list

        Good morning

        Read Jim Muth's and Damien Jones' messages about losing the
Fractal-Art mailing list.  I would be distressed to lose it, because it is
obviously some-thing to do with Fractint and the more about Fractint the better.
        BUT, as usual, I'm lagging behind the crowd, not only a few feet,
but more likely several miles.  I had read something about other Fractal
sources, by other groups, and had always presumed they, and the Fractal-Art
list were not related to Fractint except by the common-denominator of
fractals.  And, further presumed that it was another list with words, words,
words.
        Also, over a period of time, I had occasionally wondered what FOTD
and FOTN meant, which I had read once in a while.  I had already wasted
enough time with some of my neophyte questions and couldn't bring myself to
ask more. I finally figured out what they mean.
        Now, I MUST ask, exactly what is the Fractal-Art mailing list?  What
do you do with it?  Do you write to it?  Do you read it?  Do you look at it?
Must you download from it, or upload to it?  Is it hard to get to?  To
negotiate once there?
        My machine operates so poorly now, with so many little unexpected
idiosyncrasies that I hesitate to go where no man in this household with
this machine has gone before.  I might get trapped in mid-send - in a
dimension I could never leave and be doomed to wander a tight-rope of
mini-brot threads in perpetuity getting my beard tangled in those threads.
Would anybody ever find me in there, during a deep-zoom?  Or even a shallow
zoom?
        Anyway, couple of weeks maybe I'll have a new computer (alrady
ordered) and will feel a bit more confident to explore.
        Appreciate anybody who could fill me in about the Fractal-Art list.
If it is doomed I'd like to pay my respects before it is laid to rest.

                        Thanks                  Ray


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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:27:54 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Conic Sections coloring methods

Kerry,

 - Did anyone actually see and/or read that 20K tome I posted a few days ago?

Yes, I saw it.  Read a good chunk of it.  Excellent generalization.  I just
haven't had time to play lately.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:53:43 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Fractal-Art mailing list

> From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>

>         Also, over a period of time, I had occasionally wondered what FOTD
> and FOTN meant, which I had read once in a while.

FTOD is Jim Muth's famous Fractal of the Day featuring a fractal and some
philosophy and FOTN my poor imitation, Fractal of the Night where we try
to keep up with Dr. J, the Mad Scientist of Fractal Space.

>         Now, I MUST ask, exactly what is the Fractal-Art mailing list?  What
> do you do with it?  Do you write to it?  Do you read it?  Do you look at it?
> Must you download from it, or upload to it?  Is it hard to get to?  To
> negotiate once there?
[...]
>         Appreciate anybody who could fill me in about the Fractal-Art list.
> If it is doomed I'd like to pay my respects before it is laid to rest.
>
>                         Thanks                  Ray

Here is the trailer signature from the Fractal Art list. You subscribe just
like you did for the Fractint list. It is another email list like this one.
When you subscribe you will read its charter which outlines its goals.

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