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fractint-digest         Thursday, May 7 1998         Volume 01 : Number 192




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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:56:03 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon

I can't think of anything better than a meld of Tierazon and Fractint.

 Both have wonderful features. As a programmer, Tim, I think you ought to check
out the Tierazon/Flarium site because it's obvious that Steve has really done
some excellent work in the area of bringing out programs that take advantage of
the 16mil color environment. Still to go....IMHO....is the precise control I
have when I use Fractint. Tough problem as far as I can tell and one definely
worth everyone's while.

I sorta keep posting my set of "ideals" (in my notion of importance)

1.  Color control a la fractint
2.  Proportioning and skewing
3.  Multi-tasking
4.  Some degree of color smoothing as offered by truecolor

Both Fractint and the Flarium/Tierazon family offer an excellent range of
formulas and coloring methodologies....i.e. stalks, bubbles, ribbons, etc.

My bottom line is a good image....one that makes you sit back from the screen
and say......ooooooooooooo.......

And since I've got excellent programs (free even!!!) already....I can only look
forward

Angela

Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> It's fine with me if people want to discuss other programs. I didn't
> know anything about Tierazon, and was glad to read about it. I'm glad
> there are other freeware programs out there distributed with source!
>
> Tim
>
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Tim Wegner wrote:
> I'm glad there are other freeware programs out there distributed with source!

Yeah, hundreds of them. The Internet is mostly composed of them, in
fact. Few are as excellent as Fractint, though.

They've been in the news a lot in the last month.

See http://www.opensource.org/ or http://freshmeat.net/ for more info.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:18:23 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon

> Yeah, hundreds of them. The Internet is mostly composed of them, in
> fact. Few are as excellent as Fractint, though.

On Unix or Linux maybe. On the PC platform source is often not
available for fractal programs, and these days freeware is the
exception, not the rule. Lately there have been some new fractal
programs that are not freeware. Tierazon is an exception.

> They've been in the news a lot in the last month.

Last month ehh, I'm impressed!  :-) I'm not sure when Bert Tyler
first posted Fra386 1.0 with source, but probably about a decade
ago.

Tim


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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:10:28 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection

Hi Bob, Earl, Peter....

>>You did a GREAT job with the April Par Collection. <<

Thanks for all your kind words, hoots and handclaps!
You've convinced me that it's been a worthwhile effort<g>
Cheers!

Now, here's a quickie using Kathy Roth's recently posted gravijul variant...


lesb2_01           { ; using Kathy Roth's "bail2" formula   t=  0:00:42.19
                     ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1200
                     ; (c) 1998 by Les St Clair [Par date: May 05, 1998]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=bail2
  function=flip/exp/log passes=t
  center-mag=-0.0269643/-0.00813206/0.9082583 params=1/0/0/0/1000/2
  float=y maxiter=1000 inside=maxiter outside=summ invert=1/0/0
  decomp=256
  colors=000O2IO2J<14>w12z00z20<23>zz0<21>z30z00x01<13>R1HO2JN2I<13>212000\
  000<28>N1HO2IN2K<13>21w00z03z<14>0zz<30>02z00z00y<30>O2I<4>C189166143120\
  00<5>A07C19D19<12>N1H
  }

- - Les


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 02:39:45 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit

Damien M. Jones wrote:
> For security reasons, I can't make a simple upload directory where
> everybody can store and download files.

Most FTP sites have an incoming directory; you can upload there but not
download. the admin checks anything infectable (Word docs, exes) or that could
be a Trojan (exes, batch files, shell scripts) before moving them to the pub
dir, but moves anything that is guaranteed harmless (frm, par, map) instantly
when updating every day or three. Can't you do this?

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:21:39 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon

At 18:56 05/05/98 -0700, Angela wrote:
>
>Both Fractint and the Flarium/Tierazon family offer an excellent range of
>formulas and coloring methodologies....i.e. stalks, bubbles, ribbons, etc.
>
I also like the Flarium/Tierazon's range of colouring methods; I did
consider writing formulas illustrating them in Fractint to see how they'd
go there (24bit colour notwithstanding), but found myself baffled by the
documentation. It's not the mathematical notation that's scaring me off,
but I'd like a bit of coherency and background explanation.

Heigho, I'll download the source and see if I can piece anything together
from that...

Morgan



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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:06:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Tim Wegner wrote:
> > Yeah, hundreds of them. The Internet is mostly composed of them, in
> > fact. Few are as excellent as Fractint, though.
>
> On Unix or Linux maybe. On the PC platform source is often not
> available for fractal programs, and these days freeware is the
> exception, not the rule. Lately there have been some new fractal
> programs that are not freeware. Tierazon is an exception.

Yes, most open-source programs have been written for Unix.

I'm interested to hear that `freeware is the exception, not the rule'.
While open-source freeware was pretty rare when I was a DOS guy
(1985-1991 or so), freeware was ubiquitous.

> > They've been in the news a lot in the last month.
>
> Last month ehh, I'm impressed!  :-) I'm not sure when Bert Tyler
> first posted Fra386 1.0 with source, but probably about a decade
> ago.

You are correct.

Most of the open-source programs that have been mentioned in the news
so much in the last month are older than that.  It's just that the news
media have picked up on the idea in the last month because of Netscape
and Linux.

Kragen


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:51:56 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit

Paul,

Apparently you missed the "ask me privately" portion of my message.  Since
you asked publicly, I'll answer you publicly.  (Next time, read the message
before offering a knee-jerk response, OK?)

 - Most FTP sites have an incoming directory; you can upload there but not
 - download. ...  Can't you do this?

I specifically stated that I would not create a place where people could
both upload and download files.  Such a free-for-all file exchange is
begging for abuse--not so much from the crowd on this list, but from others
who may discover its location.  Thus uploading and downloading to the same
directory is not something I'm going to set up.

You are correct that most FTP sites have an incoming directory.  However,
that means I have to check the directory for incoming files, which is not
something I normally do.  There is no prompting that something new is in
the incoming directory.  On the other hand, if people e-mail me their
files, I'll know right away, because e-mail is something I do regularly
check.  Moving a file from my e-mail to the ftp site is just as much work
as moving it from an incoming directory, so I might as well set things up
in the most convenient way possible for me.  Add to that that it's easier
for most people to learn how to attach a file to e-mail than to figure out
an FTP program, and that downloading from an FTP site is as easy as
clicking on the published URL for the file, and I hardly think this
solution is inelegant.

Now, if you have FURTHER questions about this policy, ASK ME PRIVATELY.

Damien M. Jones   \\
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:45:20 -0400
From: Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon

I don't write a blessed bit of code, and don't ever care to! ;)

I DO however care a very great deal about UI design and software
ergonomics.

I could comment at length about Tierazon/Flarium's UI. In short though,
despite both being GUIs', neither yet comes near to Fractint's (DOS) ease
or speed of use.

TDB. I'm getting ready at long last to dual boot my NT 4 box at home with
DOS just so that I can run FRACTINT! I've just got to be able to play
with all of these lovely sounding PARs.

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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:13:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson)
Subject: Re: (fractint) My favorite alien, and other pars

comment {
In my original posting of this formula yesterday I inadvertently
left out one of the pars that creates an image that I like - it
looks as though the image has a lot of depth to it.  So here it
is, along with the formula again.

Paul Carlson
}

frm:Spir_Stalks_Jul {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
    ;
    ;   p1       = Julia set coordinates
    ;   real(p2) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks
    ;   imag(p2) = iterations to skip
    ;   real(p3) = number of color ranges
    ;   imag(p3) = number of colors in a range
    ;
    w = pixel
    c = p1
    z = bailout = iter = range_num = 0
    stalk_width = real(p2)
    skip_iters = imag(p2)
    num_ranges = real(p3)
    colors_in_range = imag(p3)
    index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width
    :
    w = w * w - c, wr = real(w), awr = abs(wr)
    w = w - wr + awr
    ;
    IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w)))
    dist = abs(real(w))
    ELSE
    dist = abs(imag(w))
    ENDIF
    IF (dist < stalk_width && iter > skip_iters)
    z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1
    bailout = 1
    ENDIF
    range_num = range_num + 1
    IF (range_num == num_ranges)
        range_num = 0
    ENDIF
    iter = iter + 1
    z = z - iter
    bailout == 0  && |w| < 4
}

perspective        { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm
  formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1
  corners=-0.287484228/-0.244406294/0.599553005/0.576522437/-0.\
  2609215/0.564136034 params=-0.2754/0.4407/0.03/0/2/125
  float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000zz0<123>aG0n_z<123>I0K000<3>000
  }



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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:19:18 EDT
From: BRD1950 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) A JPL Formula

I did a fractal search and came with the fractal information, forget where and
simply accessed it I think. I'm just starting to delve into fractalizing even
though I am somewhat familiar with it already, the concept that is.
Thanks for the email. I need to download a fractal generator and tryout some
formulas. See you on the next mailing.
Bob

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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:07:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson)
Subject: (fractint) Tangent Ball Formula

comment {
This formula applies my Tangent Ball rendering method to
Newton's solution of (w*w-1)*(w*w+c)=0.  This method is similar
to my Flex Ball method except this method keeps the balls in a
"string" tangent to each other instead of connected to each other
over some distance along the edges.

Paul Carlson
}

frm:TBalls_Newt1_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
    ;  real(p1) = ball size factor
    ;  imag(p1) = iterations to skip
    ;  real(p2) = convergence test distance
    ;
    z = iter = 0
    c = pixel
    cm1 = c - 1
    tcm1 = cm1 + cm1
    w = sqrt((1 - c) / 6)
    sc = sqrt(-c)
    ro  = 2.613125929753 * p1
    ros = 1.847759065023 * p1
    r2 = p1 * p1
    dr0 = -flip(ro)
    dr1 = -ros - flip(ros)
    dr2 = -ro
    dr3 = -ros + flip(ros)
    dr4 = -dr0
    dr5 = -dr1
    dr6 = -dr2
    dr7 = -dr3
    index_factor = 29 / p1
    bailout = 1
    :
    w2 = w * w
    w = w - (w2 * w2 + cm1 * w2 - c) / (4 * w2 * w + tcm1 * w)
    ;
    IF (|w + dr0| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr0|
    range_num = 0
    ELSEIF (|w + dr1| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr1|
    range_num = 1
    ELSEIF (|w + dr2| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr2|
    range_num = 2
    ELSEIF (|w + dr3| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr3|
    range_num = 3
    ELSEIF (|w + dr4| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr4|
    range_num = 4
    ELSEIF (|w + dr5| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr5|
    range_num = 5
    ELSEIF (|w + dr6| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr6|
    range_num = 6
    ELSEIF (|w + dr7| < r2)
    dist = |w + dr7|
    range_num = 7
    ELSEIF (|w + (-1,0)| < p2)
    bailout = 1
    z = 252
    ELSEIF (|w + (1,0)| < p2)
    bailout = 1
    z = 252
    ELSEIF (|w + sc| < p2)
    bailout = 1
    z = 252
    ELSEIF (|w - sc| < p2)
    bailout = 1
    z = 252
    ELSE
    bailout = 0
    dist = 0
    ENDIF
    IF (dist > 0 && iter > imag(p1))
    bailout = 1
    z = index_factor * sqrt(dist) + range_num * 30 + 1
    ENDIF
    range_num = range_num + 1
    IF (range_num == 8)
        range_num = 0
    ENDIF
    iter = iter + 1
    z = z - iter
    bailout == 0  && |w| < 1.0e20
}

tbnwt1m1           { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm
  formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=t
  center-mag=+0.99920275327934840/+0.03992298476492151/19758.38\
  /1/-2.499 params=0.2/0/1e-005/0
  float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40\
  zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<10>000zzz000000
  }

tbnwt1m2           { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm
  formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=1
  corners=0.00074954182739346488/0.00074954192447543517/2.75054\
  36406112959e-007/2.7512717553887042e-007 params=0.1/0/0.0001/0
  float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=0000zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00z\
  W0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C4000<10>000zz0000000
  }

tbnwt1m3           { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm
  formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=t
  center-mag=+0.00074954187587805/+0.00000027509074838/1.125746\
  e+011/1/-37.5 params=0.1/0/1e-005/0
  float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCG\
  Gz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08000<10>000zz0000000
  }

tbnwt1m4           { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm
  formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=t
  center-mag=1046.85/-4.16334e-017/32.57765/1/90
  params=0.2/0/1e-005/0
  float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\
  zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<9>0000OO000000000
  }


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:54:08 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTN91 is missing!

FOTN91 is missing!

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:24:31 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTN91 is missing!

Paul Derbyshire wrote:
>
> FOTN91 is missing!
>

I don't believe Jay has issued the one for May 06th yet.

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:43:18 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTN91 is missing!

I had no problems seeing FOTN91. But isn't this issue better resolved by
addressing the comment to Jay rather than the list?

Angela

Paul N. Lee wrote:
>
> Paul Derbyshire wrote:
> >
> > FOTN91 is missing!
> >
>
> I don't believe Jay has issued the one for May 06th yet.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:37:46 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTN91 is there.

Guess it wasn't forgotten, just a little late. :-)

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 01:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jiho Kim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Dimensions

Can someone tell me how would would calculate the fractal dimension of a
fractal?  I've looked through some books and their explanations are vague
at best...  This probably wouldn't be of general interest so can someone
with enough experise in math-side of fractals email me an better
explanation than I've found thus far...

Much much obliged,

Jiho


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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:37:56 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint

Luis, I'm also new here ... actually I've been lurking for about a month
and this list is annoying me intensely ... I just don't have time to
keep up!  Still 92 unread posts and over 70 pars saved but not yet run.

You have to get the latest version from spanky.triumf.ca, but it may be
very slow as you're outside the US - sorry, North America.  You can get
frain195.zip from Simtel.net - ftp://ftp.ip.pt/pub/simtelnet/ - I don't
see a WWW mirror in Portugal but try
http://ftp.globalnet.co.uk/simtel.net/ which will allow you to use the
search engine.  Sorry, I don't know the exact ftp path.

Who submits fractint to Simtel?  If somebody could get 19.6 there it
would be a great help to the ROTW.

Hi to everyone else too.
Joe

>----------
>Hi Luis.....welcome to this list
>
>The latest version of Fractint is available at
>
>http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html
>
>I got it with my browser.....(Netscape).  Click on the large brown letters
>which
>say "Get Fractint" and the file will download. The file name is
>
>frain196.zip
>
>Hope that helps and happy fractaling
>
>Angela aka wizzle
>
>Luis Ricardo Costa wrote:
>>
>> Hi...
>> First, since I'm new at the list, I would like to introduce myself. My name
>> is Luis Ricardo Costa and I'm from Portugal...
>>
>> I would like to know which is the latest version of Fractint, and how can I
>> get it... <<snipped>>
>>
>> Or, if you know an FTP which has the lastest version, please indicate me
>> the complete URL to the file... Just to make sure that I don't get the
>> oldest version!
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>>
>> Luis Ricardo Costa
>> Odivelas => Portugal
>> [e-mail] *** ICQ UIN: 4111347
>

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:02:13 -0400
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) To: Paul N. Lee Re: Site

Tried sending this to you personally via your site but mail
bounced back "host not found".

Hi Paul,
I enjoyed visiting your Earth & Sky series, particularly #s
45,47,57 & 63.

I came in on your front page but noticed your smoke-free zone.
As I was enjoying my pipe I hesitated to enter but figured,
what the hell, I probably wouldn't get caught...

Thanks.

Regards - Jack

visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:24:48 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractal Dimensions

Jiho,
look at http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/muency/boxcountingdimension.html

And the person who recently asked about Hausdorff dimension (I deleted
the post) may want to look at the link on that page that defines it.

I find this site "Mu-Encyclopedia" very interesting from a mathematical
point of view.  Follow a few definitions and you'll soon see if you
share this interest.  It's about as different from most fractal sites as
you can get ... focuses exclusively on the M set with a few references
to Julias, and presents images in ASCII-art, but so what!

I would really like to know if such topics *are* general interest on
this list.

Joe

>----------
>Can someone tell me how would would calculate the fractal dimension of a
>fractal?  I've looked through some books and their explanations are vague
>at best...  This probably wouldn't be of general interest so can someone
>with enough experise in math-side of fractals email me an better
>explanation than I've found thus far...
>
>Much much obliged,
>
>Jiho
>

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 07:23:07 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint

Welcome on board Joe!!!

I know what you mean about slow download times....and especially to and from
your area. I've tried downloading stuff from oz a few times and it can get
really frustrating.  However, here's one general hint for those outside the US
who need to download from servers located here......try timing your downloads
for Saturday or Sunday mornings, no later than 11 AM Pacific Daylight Time (2PM
Eastern Daylight time; 7 PM British Summer Time). I've never had a problem with
the web (to any server, worldwide) if I keep to that time. Earlier is better.

If you can't keep up with the pars and formulas being posted, you can download
those from previous months at Les St. Clair's site. Definetly the lazy person's
way to fractal!!!

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/

But not all the pars will run with Fractint 19.5, so get the later version.

Hope you have lots of fun here...

Angela

Joe Pearson wrote:
>
> Luis, I'm also new here ... actually I've been lurking for about a month
> and this list is annoying me intensely ... I just don't have time to
> keep up!  Still 92 unread posts and over 70 pars saved but not yet run.

> <<snipped>>
>
> Who submits fractint to Simtel?  If somebody could get 19.6 there it
> would be a great help to the ROTW.
>
> Hi to everyone else too.
> Joe

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:33:18 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint

>Welcome on board Joe!!!

Now I have my own personal welcome from Angela I feel good!

>If you can't keep up with the pars and formulas being posted, you can
>download
>those from previous months at Les St. Clair's site. Definetly the lazy
>person's
>way to fractal!!!

Been there, very useful.  The problem I have is not the download time
... because in fact I don't have email at home, I get the mail at work
and take my laptop home.  I just don't have enough time to run them!
This may be something to do with being limited to a 486-DX4 75MHx,
>640x480 resolution, and roughly no free disk space ...
>
>But not all the pars will run with Fractint 19.5, so get the later version.

And the ability to find frms in the par file is a great time-saver too.

>Hope you have lots of fun here...

Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:57:29 EDT
From: SKarl52884 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint

Luis...welcome!
If you have troubble getting 19.6 because of your location let me know { write
me off the list} and I'll send it to you as an attachment.
Sincerely,
Steve

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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:47:03 -0500
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Partobat problems

Hi All!

I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and get
this error message:

Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091

I wrote and asked Michael Peters (the program's author) what I was doing wrong.
He replied:

>nothing. Some people seem to get this message, most others don't. I have no
>idea why this happens, but it seems to be some incompatibility of the Pascal
>DOS kernel code with your machine, in a way that I don't understand. Do you
>have a Pentium II? The other people who got this error had a Pentium II. Which
>Win95 version do you have - is it Win95A or B? Maybe there's a problem with the

>file system ...

Since he doesn't have an idea where the problem lies, he suggested that I ask
list members if they have encountered this and if anyone has a  workaround or
suggestion to offer.

Does anyone have a clue?

Janet


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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:11:39 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems

When I tried Partobat, only opened it to check it out and closed it immediately, the
next time I ran Fractint a few minutes later it crashed my computer as it had never
done before. I lost all control and had to cut power and reboot. The error message I
got was: fatal error caused by WINOLDAP. Never heard of such a thing. I did not try
again. I have the latest version of Win95, but only  a Pentium 166MMX, not Pentium
II. I use a Matrox Millenium II 8 MB video card.

Janet Preslar wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and get
> this error message:
>
> Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091
>
> I wrote and asked Michael Peters (the program's author) what I was doing wrong.
> He replied:
>
> >nothing. Some people seem to get this message, most others don't. I have no
> >idea why this happens, but it seems to be some incompatibility of the Pascal
> >DOS kernel code with your machine, in a way that I don't understand. Do you
> >have a Pentium II? The other people who got this error had a Pentium II. Which
> >Win95 version do you have - is it Win95A or B? Maybe there's a problem with the
>
> >file system ...
>
> Since he doesn't have an idea where the problem lies, he suggested that I ask
> list members if they have encountered this and if anyone has a  workaround or
> suggestion to offer.
>
> Does anyone have a clue?
>
> Janet
>
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:28:35 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Partobat problems

I'm pretty sure WINOLDAP is a stub program win95 uses to run dos =
programs.  I think it manages DOS memory and the window it uses, and =
other stuff.

Pete


//  fatal error caused by WINOLDAP. Never heard of such a=20
//  thing...
    [snip]


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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:17:55 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems

Hi,

I've seen the seen problems with Pascal code. A simple pascal program of
mine didn't work on a P2-266. The problem turned out to be located in the
CRT (cathode ray tube) unit. Even if *no* procedure from crt is used in the
program, the
    uses crt;
line already causes a Divide by zero error (I believe that's indeed RTE
200). This was in real dos, no dos window.

I was not able to fix it.

Christian

- -----Original Message-----
>Hi All!
>
>I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and
get
>this error message:
>
>Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091
>
>Does anyone have a clue?
>
>Janet






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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:46:48 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems

Hi, Janet!

I usually run Fractint under DOS, not in the background of Windows.  If
I exit Fractint (Hit the "D" key), and try to run it in DOS, I get that
message.  Also, If I go to the "MS-DOS prompt" in Windows, it won't run
right.  But If I "Shut down and restart in MD-DOS mode" (through the
Start button) it runs fine for me.

I have a Pentium (not II), and Win95 if that helps.

If it doesn't help, sorry!  That's all I have to offer!

Good luck!
Linda
- -----Original Message-----
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
To: Fractint <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 11:50 AM
Subject: (fractint) Partobat problems


>Hi All!
>
>I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II
and get
>this error message:
>
>Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091
>
>I wrote and asked Michael Peters (the program's author) what I was
doing wrong.
>He replied:
>
>>nothing. Some people seem to get this message, most others don't. I
have no
>>idea why this happens, but it seems to be some incompatibility of the
Pascal
>>DOS kernel code with your machine, in a way that I don't understand.
Do you
>>have a Pentium II? The other people who got this error had a Pentium
II. Which
>>Win95 version do you have - is it Win95A or B? Maybe there's a problem
with the
>
>>file system ...
>
>Since he doesn't have an idea where the problem lies, he suggested that
I ask
>list members if they have encountered this and if anyone has a
workaround or
>suggestion to offer.
>
>Does anyone have a clue?
>
>Janet
>
>
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