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fractint-digest        Wednesday, April 8 1998        Volume 01 : Number 161




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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:00:18 -0700
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

At 08:16 PM 4/7/98 -0700, Wizzle wrote:
>I work for a very high tech company.  We churn in endless meetings trying
>to develop an "elegant" ...
>......solution to very simple problems.

The last time I heard *that* mind-set was back in my college days,
working for the physics B.S. I eventually earned.

Never heard the word again in my 13 years in the space biz (which
ended in 1992).  "Practical" seems to win out in the real world.


Bud


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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:06:58 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) What a night!

Freaking 30 messages in as many minutes!
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 01:29:43 -0500
From: Felix <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

Michelle Zulli wrote:

> I'm pretty green with Fractint.
> I'm in the playing around and going "wow" stage.  Having lots of fun
> with it so far!

I've been playing with Fractint for about 5 years now (still very green
compared to some of the pros on this list) and I hope I'm always in the
"wow" stage.  :)

 -Andrew

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:36:50 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Hi All,

Tim wrote:

>> Perhaps some of the experienced folks could upload a map which when
>> saved in a PAR as colors=3D and then converted back does not give
>> exactly the correct result.

  The following pas was created with lyapunov.map and saved with colors=3D=
y. =

Run it, enter the palette editor, load lyapunov.map, then hit E and U
alternately.

lyapunov           { ;
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.5/0/0.6666667
  params=3D0/0 float=3Dy colors=3D000zk0<253>000
  }

        - Sylvie

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:27:17 +0100
From: Ray Girvan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

[e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) writes:

> What I think makes my formulas more difficult to use
> than most are:
> 1) because they were developed using geometry, the
> formulas don't lend themselves to a random choice of
> parameters.

That strikes a chord with me.  I realised at one point that some of
my sine-meets-Newton formulae were more likely than not to give
"seething dog-barf" (Rudy Rucker's phrase) for randomly picked input
parameters.

The PARs I posted were found by using "development maps" akin to
using the Mandelbrot of a function to find Julia sets of various
textures.  For instance, the image z=c=pixel ... z=z-c*(f(z)/f'(z))
would help find interesting regions for z=pixel ... z=z-p1*(f(z)/f'(z)).

Search procedures would be a useful aspect to mention.

Ray
[e-mail] +++ Technical Author +++ Topsham, Devon, UK
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rgirvan/ +++ The Apothecary's Drawer



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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jiho Kim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

colors=000zk0<253>000   (AKA Lyapunov.map)

How did a 3K file get compressed into 15 characters?  I know it's not that
difficult to do considering the patter that Lyapunov.map had, but where's
the algorithm?  I took a very shallow look at the source codes and
couldn't find it.

And, do we need to stay with this encoding specification?   As much as I
can tell from what was said about the imperfect (lossy) transfer from maps
to pars to maps again,  is that desireable?

And what does this mean to truecolor (that the process is lossy)?  I'm
just full of assumptions about the process, so please excuse my
impertinence....  :)

Just curious,

Jiho


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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 04:23:28 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Trust Sylvie to spot a subtle map/coloring bug...:)
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:48 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Hi Jiho,

>> colors=3D000zk0<253>000   (AKA Lyapunov.map)
>>
>> How did a 3K file get compressed into 15 characters?

  000=3Dblack, zk0<253>000 is a smooth-shaded range of 255 colors from zk=
0
(yellow) to 000.

>> I know it's not that difficult to do considering the patter that
>> Lyapunov.map had, but where's the algorithm?  I took a very shallow
>> look at the source codes and couldn't find it.

  It's in miscovl.c, lines 959-1033.  Have fun! ;-))

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:46 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Hi Paul,

>> Trust Sylvie to spot a subtle map/coloring bug...:)

  Except that it isn't that subtle... ;-)

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:22:25 -0500
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Resource List

The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion Li=
st
members. (Created April 8, 1998)

Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to:
Janet Preslar (mailto:[e-mail])

FractInt
    At Spanky =97
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html
    Mirror site =97
        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fractint.html
    FractInt Documentation =97
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html
    FractInt semi-official wish list =97
        http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm

Information, Tutorials and Explanations
    How to run FractInt for DOS under Windows 95 =97
        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html
    Linda Allison's Basic FractInt Hints and Tips =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/basic/basic-information.htm
    Wizzle's hints on getting started =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/tips-fractint.htm
    Linda Allison's Par and Frm tutorial =97
        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson.html
    Linda Allison's Tutorial on Zooming =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/zoom/zoom-lesson.html
    Linda Allison's Tutorial on Proportioning, Sizing, and Skewing =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/proportion/proportions.htm
    Linda Allison's ColorMap tutorial =97
        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/colors.html
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colormaps/colormaps.htm (mirror=
)
    Linda Allison's Color Tricks =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colortricks/colortricks.htm
    Wizzle's Color Map Magic =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/wizmaps/wizmaps.htm
    Damien M. Jones's Fractal Information Page =97
        http://www.fractalus.com/misc/info.htm
    Linda Allison Explains Fractals =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/define/fractals_defined.htm

FractInt Mailing List
    FractInt Mailing List archive =97
        ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/
    1997 Contest (thumbnails of all the entries) =97
        http://www.fractalus.com/contest/
    The 1997 Contest Kit (Re-create the magic at home!!) =97
        http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/Contestk.zip
    Les St. Clair's Collection of Mailing List Pars & Formulas
    (all the pars and frms since August 1997) =97
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm
    The iFAQ (collected topics from the list) =97
        http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html
    Copyrights Discussed (and discussed) =97
        http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
    ColorMaps collected and organized by Wizzle =97
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm
    Dr. J's Fractal of the Night =97
        http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html

Additional Programs & Utilities
    George Martin's Orgfrm program =97
 http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/orgfrm.zip
    Ron Barnett's MakeMap utility =97
        http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001/makemap.zip
    Paul Carlson's AddGifs program =97
        http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/addgifs.zip
    Thore Berntsen's FractInt Screensaver =97
        http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm

Infinite Fractal Loop
    Home Page =97
        http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/
    Graphical List =97
        http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/list.htm

Fractal merchandise (posters, mouse mats, t-shirts, etc.)
    Lifesmith =97
        http://www.lifesmith.com/
    Refractal Design Inc. (fractal jewelry) =97
        http://www.refractal.com

Fractal-Art Mailing List
    How to Subscribe =97
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    Archive =97
        ftp://ftp.aros.net/pub/users/noring/fractal-art/
    Jim Muth's Fractal of the Day =97
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:32:01 -0500
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Resource List

Regarding the list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members
sent as a separate message:

I really uncovered a lot of information out there as I was putting this list
together, but I'm sure there's much, much more I don't know about. If you have
written (or know of) tutorials or other information that should be included,
please send me the URLs.

In the interest of size, I have not included a list of galleries at this time.

I will re-post this resource list every week or two.

Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to:
Janet Preslar (mailto:[e-mail])

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:46:51 +0200
From: "Thaddaeus Parker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About Ray

that is a very beautiful fractal.  It is amazing what a little imagination,
a computer, and fractint can do!

Thadd
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:49:06 +0200
From: "Thaddaeus Parker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

Tango. I'll explore that!!!


Thadd
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:37:29 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Second of two pars

Ray...

Nice pars!!! I'm glad you can now share with us because it's such fun. I'll
let you know how my puter upgrade goes Fractint wise. Although my son is
building my system, I did find some excellent choices on the web and can
share those with you.

Welcome to the world of pars

Angela

At 11:44 AM 4/7/98 -0600, you wrote:
>        Here is the second.  Sorry about the flaw in the upper section of
>the image, but my computer is gradually misbehaving.
>        Par number two:
>
><<snipped>>
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:40:28 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Resource List

Janet...

This is a great idea!!  All the new folks should definetly save this list!!

Angela

At 08:32 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Regarding the list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List
members
>sent as a separate message:
>
>I really uncovered a lot of information out there as I was putting this list
>together, but I'm sure there's much, much more I don't know about. If you
have
>written (or know of) tutorials or other information that should be included,
>please send me the URLs.
>
>In the interest of size, I have not included a list of galleries at this
time.
>
>I will re-post this resource list every week or two.
>
>Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to:
>Janet Preslar (mailto:[e-mail])
>
>Janet
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:14:55 -0700
From: Ryan Jameson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

At 08:01 PM 4/7/98 -0700, Wizzle wrote:
>Not to mention that my DOS Boot sector somehow got corrupted on my NT
>machine and our network folks say the only solution is to wipe the hard
>drive clean and start from scratch!!  This is common, I believe.
>

I guess I was fortunate. When I installed NT, I set up a seperate partition
for it, and my win 95 partitions was fat32. NT didn't even see it, so it
couldn't corrupt it. It did make setting up the dual boot a bit tricky, but
nothing I couldn't handle. :)

Ryan

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Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1998 10:34:17 -0700
From: Tim Riley  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Raw2Pov?

  From: Thaddaeus Parker <[e-mail]>
  Subject: (fractint) Sent bad mail: Have same question: Raw2Pov?
  Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:54:18 +0200

I've made some spiffy Fractint 3D images that I would like to get over to
POV, but everything I've found is just source code.  I have a C++ compiler
from Borland. It will compile just great up to a point and then give me
errors up the whazzu. Most notably for a void* to char* conversion.

anybody know where a good raw to pov conversion port is?
- ---------------End of Original Message-----------------

If you can use a Win95 program, the best conversion program is
Keith Rule's Crossroads conversion program which can be found at:

http://www.europa.com/~keithr/Crossroads/index.html

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:07:21 +0200
From: "Thaddaeus Parker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Raw2Pov?

Thanks Tim. Been searching for a while. Will test it out and give you a
thumbs up or down.
Thaddaeus Parker
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:44:54 -0600
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New par

        Here is the latest par of the batch on which I am currently working.


Flowerpinks        { ; Frima192-009
                     ; 4/7/98
                     ; elmont
  reset=1930 type=complexnewton passes=b
  center-mag=+0.63949843260188000/+0.36180904522613070/4.901961/1/55
  params=7/-1.3/1/2 float=y maxiter=2500 periodicity=0
  colors=000000000zzz<13>000zoozjj<68>s1Dm040K0<24>0J00J00J00I00I00I0<22>0\
  A0SKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KSQKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<\
  3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8\
  EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GFBGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<2>BGFBGGBFGBDGBCG0\
  00<6>00000e000<3>zudeeeLLLLGccGF<2>z01zzL
  }

        Somewhat different.

                                        Ray


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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:44:12 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Learning Experience

You're welcome, Ray!  It's been a pleasure "working" with you!
Linda

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> From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (fractint) Learning Experience
> Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 9:35 PM
>
>         Linda
>
>                 You are an exceptional teacher - and - an exceptional
person.
>         It will take a while before I feel like I REALLY know what I'm
> doing, but you have given me my first GIANT step - and I feel that, at
last,
> I can start contributing to what I am doing - not just sit here pushing
buttons.
>         Thanks a lot.
>
>                                         Ray
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "James R. McKenzie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) About Ray

Gumbycat wrote,

"Also, he's using a machine with a hard drive of 540K"  I believe you
meant 540mb.  Anyways, dem ole HDD's ain't too fast either.  Chances
are he needs a faster platter too.


I know about 540 megabyte HDD's, my dad has one on the ole 486slc
(Cyrix processor made by Texas Instruments) 33mhz (soldered to the
motherboard no less) with an expansive 16mb  of 30 simm RAM (ain't cha
jealous 8-> ). <-- that's period not a zit.




Anyway for some reason I felt compelled to throw this in, useless
though it was.




                                 L8R



                           James R. McKenzie



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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:47:01 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Resource List and iFAQ trolling

Hi Janet,

Good job, I'd like to include your resource list in the iFAQ.
May I?

Also, it should have been obvious, the Formula Life Cycle
was posted to stir fractal space. The discussion has been
more interesting than I could have hoped for. I hope no one
objects to their remarks inclusion in the iFAQ. I shall have
more to say on Life Cycle later.

Jay



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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:58:29 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Formula Life Cycle

Jay,

I've always preferred the simpler formulas, mainly because I can explore
them without having to wait so long for the pictures.  Most of my
experimentation with alternate coloring schemes has been done with the
plain old Mandelbrot set--in fact, the gallery #10 on my web site consists
solely of M-set pictures.  There's plenty of hidden structure in the
Mandelbrot set which can be brought out with different coloring.  I've
noticed, as well, that moving some of these coloring schemes to different
fractal types doesn't always improve things much.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:40:26 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Formula Life Cycle

Damien Jones wrote:

> I've always preferred the simpler formulas, ...
> Most of my experimentation with alternate coloring schemes
> has been done with the plain old Mandelbrot set--in fact, the
> gallery #10 on my web site consists solely of M-set pictures.

Well, ah.. er... how is this...
http://www.fractalus.com/gallery10/pic06.htm

a simple MSet picture?   Are these really the result of simple formula?

Jay




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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:48:20 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Formula Life Cycle

Jay,

 - Well, ah.. er... how is this...
 - http://www.fractalus.com/gallery10/pic06.htm
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 - a simple MSet picture?   Are these really the result of simple formula?

Sure it's a simple M-set, just with an orbit-trap style rendering.  The
fractal equation itself is just Mandelbrot.  That's what I was trying to
say--I can play around with coloring and such in the plain ol' M-set,
moving to more complicated fractals doesn't seem to help much.  (Although
I've had good results with the NovaM type, too.)

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:08:12 -0500
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Resource List and iFAQ trolling

Jay Hill wrote:

> Hi Janet,
>
> Good job, I'd like to include your resource list in the iFAQ.
> May I?

Sure.

Janet


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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:06:52 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Resource List

At 08:32 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Regarding the list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List
members
>sent as a separate message:
>
>I really uncovered a lot of information out there as I was putting this list
>together, but I'm sure there's much, much more I don't know about.

(snipped)

Right on time!!!!!!  Recently, (yesterday) I received a piece of email
asking for exactly what you posted; i.e. sites for info, etc.  I will be
sending him a copy of the list - and keeping a copy in file. Thank you!!

Regards,
[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 16:01:00 -0800
From: Tim Gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) sample command line

Can someone out there in Fracint land provide me with a sample FRACTINT
command-line?

I'm working on a Mac bring-up, and I'm at the point where I'm parsing
command line arguments.  As you probably know, Macs don't have command
lines, so I'm faking them.  My problem is, my DOS-machine died and I
can't put together a string of command-line arguments from memory (mostly
'cause I go to school in Santa Cruz ;-).

Can some friendly soul toss a command-line in this direction?  It needs
to bypass as many menus as possible (preferably so that the FRACTINT user
doesn't need to press a key to go from the command-line to a generated
fractal).

Thanks!

- -=Tim Gilman
[e-mail]


Tim Gilman                                           BlueBox Engineering
[e-mail]                                   Apple Computer, Inc.


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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:48:03 EDT
From: Bill at NY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

In a message dated 4/7/98 9:37:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< This discussion comes at a good time for me, since I've
 been wondering about all the formulas I've been posting
 lately.  I'd really appreciate some feedback, be it pro
 or con.
  >>
Paul,

I guess I've collected enough formulas to last me for all eternity by now. And
I barely have time to view any of them, let alone try to make my own pictures.
But I always make time for yours.  Beautiful pictures AND I actually learn
something each time.  Thanks!

Bill

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:39:12 -0600
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) An apology to gumbycat

        Sorry, Linda.  When I first got this computer from my son-in-law,  I
thought he told me that it had a hard drive of about 540kb.  Obviously I was
mistaken in not researching the matter further.  The spec sheet, and, for
that matter nowhere in the user manual, does it indicate the hard drive
capacity.
        After reading James McKenzie's message about that capacity, I was
filled with remorse for not having looked that quantity up.  So today, I
made five phone calls to Tandy, (or was transferred to five different people
at Tandy) and finally found that the hard drive (no longer made, of course)
held, PROBABLY, a little more than 200 mg, PROBABLY 'about' 207, or so.
        So, I put you in the embarressing position of giving a wrong figure
and it was entirely my fault.
        I'm posting this on the message-board because you deserve to be
absolved of having made that mistake.  You were being good, and I was an idiot.
        Incidentally, James McKenzie was right.  It is a Tandy machine and
had only 4 megs of memory.  That I'm sure about, because I just had it
upgraded to 16 megs.
        Once again, I'm sorry Linda.
                                        Ray


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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:40:17 EDT
From: Genealogy1 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

Paul,

Excellent work. Keep it up.

- --Bob Carr--

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:43:44 -0600
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: About Ray

        Thadd wrote: "That is a very beautiful fractal....."

        Thanks Thad.  I owe it all to Fractint and my nervous fingers.:)
                                                Ray


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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:56:19 -0600
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Computer upgrading

        Thanks for looking at them.  I would like to share.  I would like to
learn.
        Please do let me know what you discover about the upgrading, or the
starting from scratch.  I have been pouring over the companies in the
'Computer Shopper' and in my lone computer mag.  I think it's slanted toward
Microsoft.  (For that matter what isn't?)
        I've also visited three of our local computer stores and am doing my
best to come up with a machine that will do best with Fractint.
        I think the postings here have convinced me that the Matrox
Millenium II would be the best video (card?  board?  driver? whatever it
is).  Do you concur?

                                     Thanks again       Ray


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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:07:58 -0500
From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) sstools.ini  -- need help -- Please

Can someone please help me:

I am trying to create a new directory for all the formulas, maps , and etc,
but can not get the correct format into the sstools.ini file --
I have Fractint at C:\Fractint and I want to move the files to
C:\Fractint\Formulas, C:\Fractint\Maps, amd C:\Fractint\Parameters.

What are the entrys I need in the sstools file.

Thanks for your help.

Earl Simpson


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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:07:58 -0500
From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) sstools.ini  -- need help -- Please

Can someone please help me:

I am trying to create a new directory for all the formulas, maps , and etc,
but can not get the correct format into the sstools.ini file --
I have Fractint at C:\Fractint and I want to move the files to
C:\Fractint\Formulas, C:\Fractint\Maps, amd C:\Fractint\Parameters.

What are the entrys I need in the sstools file.

Thanks for your help.

Earl Simpson


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