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fractint-digest        Tuesday, March 17 1998        Volume 01 : Number 136




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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:18:21 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

Paul and/or Joyce Carlson wrote:

> On the other hand, I have been thinking about posting a rather
> detailed explanation about how I use orbit traps to give my
> images a pseudo-3D look.  I would try to keep the math as
> simple as possible.  Is there any interest in this?

> Paul Carlson
>


    Paul, If you are willing, I'd be interested in turning
this into a fractint tutorial hosted at spanky. If you could
supply a few formula and images to demonstrate your methods,
I think it would make a nice one. If you would rather host it
at your own site where you could maintain and revise it, I would
gladly provide a link to it.

    Cheers,
    Noel

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:50:10 -0500
From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A Geom Construction of the M-set

A while back, Mrvn asked:
>
>And how can one determine the radius of the bulbs? Without that it
>would mean nothing to know the tangent points.


Well, I don't know yet... but I'm working on it.  Something puzzling has arisen,
though - it seems that the main cardioid *is not a perfect cardioid*!!!  I don't
know if this is common knowledge or not, but it was a total shocker to me.
According to the geometrical construction I have described, the tangent point of
the upper period 3 bulb should be (-0.15,0.6) when even a rough analysis with
FRACTINT reveals the actual tangen point is more like (-0.125,0.65)!  You may
check this for yourself (if you use the method I describe, everything breaks
easily into 30o 60o 90o (3-4-5) triangles... The period 4 bulb is tangent where
it is supposed to be... I'm still working on this. Just thought some might be
curious!

Spring waves in the distance!  Jason


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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:02:27 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

    Hi,

    Here are some of my thoughts on the fractint.org issue.

If we want to register fractint.org then pay the $100.00 dollars
and register with internic.net for the 2 year term. Don't bother
trying to register with a service in another country. They are
fine if you are only interested in local/domestic service in that
country but none of the international traffic will be able to find
the site because none of the big DNS databases will pick it up.

    One big question that I have, is where is www.fractint.org
going to point to? It's one thing to register a name, but it takes
some thought and effort to administer a site as well as manage
content and control system resources. Commercial web hosts typically
charge between $20.00 and $50.00 dollars a month for about 10 to 20
megabytes of storage and many of them charge more after a certain
number of hits or after so much data has transfered. The ones that
I have looked at, allow about 10-100 megabytes per month transfer or
about 1000 hits/month before charging more on a per hit or a per
megabyte rate. This isn't really enough when your going to
host something as popular as fractint. The spanky fractint pages
currently average about 2000 threads a day and move about 200-300
megabytes a day all from a database of about 100 megabytes and that's
just at my site. I don't know how much traffic hits the mirror site
or how much goes to some of the galleries and pages I link to.
Hosting www.fractint.org might prove more than we can afford unless
someone like Rich Thompson at X-mission or myself, or Michael
Taylor at Mt. Allison, who have the resources available, could
host them free of charge.

    I know the webserver software that I use at spanky is capable
of multihoming, so in theory I could set up to respond to calls
to www.fractint.org and pass them off to the existing fractint pages,
but I'm not sure I wouldn't run into trouble/problems with people
here who manage the triumf.ca domain. I will have to make some enquiries,
if that is what we decide we want.

    Cheers,
    Noel Giffin

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:09:46 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A Geom Construction of the M-set

Jason,

The equation for the boundary of the main cardioid is:

r = 0.5 * (1 - cos(theta))
x = r * cos(theta) + 0.25
y = r * sin(theta)

for the period 3 bulb, theta = 1/3 * 360 degrees = 120 degrees, so

r = 0.75
x = -.125
y ~ .64952 = 3/8 * sqrt(3)

which corresponds to what you got with Fractint.

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Jason Hine wrote:
>
> Well, I don't know yet... but I'm working on it.  Something puzzling has arisen,
> though - it seems that the main cardioid *is not a perfect cardioid*!!!  I don't
> know if this is common knowledge or not, but it was a total shocker to me.
> According to the geometrical construction I have described, the tangent point of
> the upper period 3 bulb should be (-0.15,0.6) when even a rough analysis with
> FRACTINT reveals the actual tangen point is more like (-0.125,0.65)!  You may
> check this for yourself (if you use the method I describe, everything breaks
> easily into 30o 60o 90o (3-4-5) triangles... The period 4 bulb is tangent where
> it is supposed to be... I'm still working on this. Just thought some might be
> curious!
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:46:25 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

Noel,

 - The spanky fractint pages currently average about 2000 threads a
 - day and move about 200-300 megabytes a day all from a database of
 - about 100 megabytes and that's just at my site. I don't know how
 - much traffic hits the mirror site or how much goes to some of the
 - galleries and pages I link to.

Well, I can tell what mine are. :)  Last week fractalus.com got almost
62,000 individual hits; that includes all requests for HTML files, GIF
files, etc.  Transfers total more than 900M of bandwidth.  That's roughly
700 hits to Sharon Webb's gallery, 260 to my own site, and 85 to Alice
Kelley's gallery.

That's one very typical week.  Not as much traffic as spanky, but if I were
hosting it at a place that charged me by bandwidth or hits, I'd be in
pretty far over my head.

 - Hosting www.fractint.org might prove more than we can afford unless
 - someone like Rich Thompson at X-mission or myself, or Michael
 - Taylor at Mt. Allison, who have the resources available, could
 - host them free of charge.

Or unless a free/inexpensive hosting service like GeoCities were used,
which is less than desirable.

 -     I know the webserver software that I use at spanky is capable
 - of multihoming, so in theory I could set up to respond to calls
 - to www.fractint.org and pass them off to the existing fractint pages,
 - but I'm not sure I wouldn't run into trouble/problems with people
 - here who manage the triumf.ca domain. I will have to make some enquiries,
 - if that is what we decide we want.

If someone besides triumf.ca is acting as the DNS for the domain, then
there's very little triumf.ca has to do besides let you use an IP address,
and *possibly* fill in a reverse-lookup entry to their own zone files that
resolves the IP address back to www.fracting.org .  If you want triumf.ca
to act as the DNS for fractint.org, then they need to do a lot more.

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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:47:16 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

    Hi again,


> "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Well, I can tell what mine are. :)  Last week fractalus.com got almost
> 62,000 individual hits; that includes all requests for HTML files, GIF
> files, etc.  Transfers total more than 900M of bandwidth.

    Well it's too much hassle to extract the exact info from the
logs to say how much traffic is fractint related and how much is
just general fractal traffic at spanky, but I think I would
estimate about 1/2 below is fractint.

In terms of hits and bytes at spanky:

 file hits    80000 hits/day
 Direct I/O:    600 Megabytes/day

> Or unless a free/inexpensive hosting service like GeoCities were used,
> which is less than desirable.

    Please not geocities! I hate their little pop-up advertising
windows.

> If someone besides triumf.ca is acting as the DNS for the domain, then
> there's very little triumf.ca has to do besides let you use an IP address,
> and *possibly* fill in a reverse-lookup entry to their own zone files that
> resolves the IP address back to www.fracting.org .  If you want triumf.ca
> to act as the DNS for fractint.org, then they need to do a lot more.


    While the above is true logically, it is a different story politically
and administratively for me. The triumf.ca domain is the domain maintained
by TRIUMF, the research lab that pays my salary. So far they have been
very tolerant of my endeavors in hosting fractal related information, but
the official line is that it is outside the mandate given this facility.
If I cause too many waves, I might sink the boat.

    Yes, I could get another IP outside the 142.90  triumf.ca domain
but I am physically on a network that is within their realm. Without
their cooperation, I don't get anything passed to me. The triumf DNS
server has to recognize the new IP or it will not pass information.
Right now they typically reject all packets not addressed within the
domain. So I either need fractint.org to reflect an address within
the 142.90 domain or I have to beg the network guru's here to make
an exception in my case and pass thru info out of their recognized
domain. Not a likely scenario.

    Cheers,
    Noel Giffin


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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:00:54 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

Hi Noel,
>
>    Paul, If you are willing, I'd be interested in turning
>this into a fractint tutorial hosted at spanky. If you could
>supply a few formula and images to demonstrate your methods,
>I think it would make a nice one. If you would rather host it
>at your own site where you could maintain and revise it, I would
>gladly provide a link to it.

I'd be glad to have you host it.  I'll see what I can put together.
Did you see the explanation that I posted?  Do you think that woud
be suitable as a start?

Regards,
Paul


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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:07:36 -0500
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: More pars

Had to take a break with the following results:

In the below formula, I made one very slight modification in this line of
one of Linda Allison's formulas:

c=log(sqr(sqr(pixel))*pixel)*0.4:

At the end, Linda's original frm was 0.2, I changed it to 0.4.


051597-002a   {; Linda Allison May 15, 1997
; stars modified by David Shanholtzer
 z=0;
 c=log(sqr(sqr(pixel))*pixel)*0.4:
 z2=fn1(z)+c
 z=c*(1-z2*z2)/(1+z2*z2)
 |z|<=p1
}

============================================================================
===
And then there are color maps. Two of the below pars have Jacco color maps,
one is one of mine.

============================================================================
===

combo              { ; combined by David Shanholtzer, 1998
                     ; frm by Linda Allison
                     ; color map: Jacco193
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=051597-002a function=sin passes=1
  center-mag=-0.109414/0.109535/0.7022259/1.0643/-17.5 params=4/4
  maxiter=1750 inside=bof60 outside=111 potential=255/254/0 decomp=254
  colors=I0c<61>600510610<13>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylT<29>SD3QB2RC3<\
  14>B52941941<14>320320320320320<75>110
  }

combo2             { ; combined by David Shanholtzer, 1998
                     ; frm by Linda Allison
                     ; color map: Jacco198
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=051597-002a function=sin passes=1
  center-mag=-0.109414/0.109535/0.7022259/1.0643/-17.5 params=4/4
  maxiter=1750 inside=bof60 outside=111 potential=255/254/0 decomp=254
  colors=@jacco198.map
  }

combo3             { ; combined by David Shanholtzer, 1998
                     ; frm by Linda Allison
                     ; color map: dav19
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=051597-002a function=sin passes=1
  center-mag=-0.109414/0.109535/0.7022259/1.0643/-17.5 params=4/4
  maxiter=1750 inside=bof60 outside=111 potential=255/254/0 decomp=254
  colors=olnhTA<7>hTAhUAiUAiVBjVB<26>whKwhKwgK<27>iUBiUBhTAgSA<14>M21K00L1\
  1<27>qprsrtrqs<28>M22K00L00<14>a00c00b00<13>M00K00K00<23>c00c00b00<20>K0\
  0hTA<22>hTA
  }

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:36:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Oltmans <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint as prototype society

> - what other projects they've seen that worked similarly

There is extensive information on this and other similar topics at
http://www.gnu.org.

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:39:52 -0800
From: John Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Money in fractals?

Somebody recently, and laughingly,  made a remark about "someone out ther
making money from fractals"  Take a look at
http://lifesmith.com/umbrella.html   :-)

John.

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:01:18 -0600
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Colormap Questions

Wizzle wrote:

> 2.  Where are colormaps from Alice and Janet??? One of the colormaps Alice
> used for her contest submittal is, I think, a real winner in the short
> gradient category and we ought to see at least something from the 1997
> Great Fractal Contest winner and Queen!!!

Wizzle, I'm up to my eyeballs in starry, celestial fractals for another couple
of weeks. When is the color map deadine? I'll see what I can do, but I won't
make any promises.

1997 G. F. C. w. & Q.
(aka Janet)


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:45:38 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

>If we want to register fractint.org then pay the $100.00 dollars
>and register with internic.net for the 2 year term. Don't bother
>trying to register with a service in another country. They are
>fine if you are only interested in local/domestic service in that
>country but none of the international traffic will be able to find
>the site because none of the big DNS databases will pick it up.

They won't? Funny, my browser finds sites in *.au, *.uk, and so forth with
the greatest of ease, no DNS problems.


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:51:05 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

There's Wizzle's simplenet isn't there? No space limit, no HTL, flat rate.


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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:45:42 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: SSTOOLS

        Hi Rob....

        Thanks for the advice.  Every little bit helps.  I'm hoping against
hope to get a new computer in a couple of months (And, naturally, that will
make me, automatically, a better computerist and Fractinter, won't it?
(Sure it will.)
        Seriously, I am hard at  work,--hitting the books, as it were, about
moving around in DOS.  Never done it till Fractint.  Got out my idle
'Dummies' (oh, lord, I said it, right out loud!  Forgive me please!) Dos,
Windows, PC, manuals, for keyboards, monitors, cups (even CPUs) and just
about everything I can lay my hands on.  Even brought home a book from the
library thinking it would help but it turned out to be a book on how to
program for Windows.(Ugh!)
I'm even considering adult classes on computers at my local Adult Education.
        Anyway, thanks for the advice.  My computer is Windows 3.1.
                                Obliged,        Ray


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:00:30 -0500
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: More pars

In the event someone did not have the jacco zip file of color maps, and
since I just noticed I did not include the colors in combo2:

combo2             { ; combined by David Shanholtzer, 1998
                     ; frm by Linda Allison
                     ; color map: Jacco198
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=051597-002a function=sin passes=1
  center-mag=-0.109415/0.109538/0.7022259/1.0643/-17.5 params=4/4
  maxiter=1750 inside=bof60 outside=111 potential=255/254/0 decomp=254
  colors=000<30>66J77K77K88L88M<28>OOgOOgPPhQQhQQi<26>iiyjjzjjzkkz<29>zzzz\
  zzyyz<30>``z__yZZyYYxYYx<25>DDhCCgCCgCCf<29>00K00K00J00J00I<26>000
  }


That should do it...

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:11:42 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG      again

James R. McKenzie wrote:
>
> $100 for 2 years then $50 per anum heck yeah that\'s damn reasonable!
> Who do I send the money order to (I prefer M.O.\'s)
>


Good news to everyone involved!!


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:32:05 +0000
From: Robert Shanks <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Jack & Margaret!

Nice site! Some great fracts. Interesting comentary with fractals - short and
sweet.  I like the way the site unfolds - hidden but not confusing. Good
groove folks.

Thanks - Robert Shanks

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:22:22 -0600
From: Lavondyss <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) More pars and maps

There is a zipped file at my site that contains all the color maps I've
collected. It may not be as big as some people's, but it has some really nice
ones. Scroll down to about 2/3 of the way. I did post some thumbnails, so be
patient while it loads.

Happy fractaling
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:08:59 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint as prototype society

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Michael Oltmans wrote:
> > - what other projects they've seen that worked similarly
>
> There is extensive information on this and other similar topics at
> http://www.gnu.org.

I'm familiar with the GNU stuff -- after all, I run Linux at home --
but what I'm interested in is the `bazaar' model.  Linux was developed
using it, Fractint was developed using it, but most GNU stuff was not.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:22:27 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote:
> If we want to register fractint.org then pay the $100.00 dollars
> and register with internic.net for the 2 year term. Don't bother
> trying to register with a service in another country. They are
> fine if you are only interested in local/domestic service in that
> country but none of the international traffic will be able to find
> the site because none of the big DNS databases will pick it up.

This is not correct.  I frequently access sites registered in .de, .fr,
.ca, and .jp, even though I'm in the US.  I can even send mail to
walsh.tj, which is registered in the Tajikistan domain -- although it's
actually located in Fresno, California.

> host something as popular as fractint. The spanky fractint pages
> currently average about 2000 threads a day and move about 200-300
> megabytes a day all from a database of about 100 megabytes and that's
> just at my site. I don't know how much traffic hits the mirror site
> or how much goes to some of the galleries and pages I link to.
> Hosting www.fractint.org might prove more than we can afford unless
> someone like Rich Thompson at X-mission or myself, or Michael
> Taylor at Mt. Allison, who have the resources available, could
> host them free of charge.

I'm certain someone will want to do this.  I'd say, let's stick with Spanky
until the load gets too heavy for you, and then look for hosting elsewhere.

>     I know the webserver software that I use at spanky is capable
> of multihoming, so in theory I could set up to respond to calls
> to www.fractint.org and pass them off to the existing fractint pages,
> but I'm not sure I wouldn't run into trouble/problems with people
> here who manage the triumf.ca domain. I will have to make some enquiries,
> if that is what we decide we want.

If you can't do it, I'm sure there's someone who can.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:27:57 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote:
>  -     I know the webserver software that I use at spanky is capable
>  - of multihoming, so in theory I could set up to respond to calls
>  - to www.fractint.org and pass them off to the existing fractint pages,
>  - but I'm not sure I wouldn't run into trouble/problems with people
>  - here who manage the triumf.ca domain. I will have to make some enquiries,
>  - if that is what we decide we want.
>
> If someone besides triumf.ca is acting as the DNS for the domain, then
> there's very little triumf.ca has to do besides let you use an IP address,
> and *possibly* fill in a reverse-lookup entry to their own zone files that
> resolves the IP address back to www.fracting.org .  If you want triumf.ca
> to act as the DNS for fractint.org, then they need to do a lot more.

Actually, you don't even have to use a separate IP address.  Netscape
and MSIE since version 3 send a header telling the server what name it
was looked up by; Apache, and presumably other web servers, can use
that to determine what pages that client sees.

`A lot more' really wouldn't be much more, given that triumf.ca already
has nameservers set up.  They'd just have to create another zone file
with about six records in it and add it to their nameserver
configuration.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:33:21 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote:
> > Or unless a free/inexpensive hosting service like GeoCities were used,
> > which is less than desirable.
>
>     Please not geocities! I hate their little pop-up advertising
> windows.

Turn off JavaScript.  You ought to have done that anyway to keep remote
sites from breaking into your computer when you browse their web sites!

>     While the above is true logically, it is a different story politically
> and administratively for me. The triumf.ca domain is the domain maintained
> by TRIUMF, the research lab that pays my salary. So far they have been
> very tolerant of my endeavors in hosting fractal related information, but
> the official line is that it is outside the mandate given this facility.
> If I cause too many waves, I might sink the boat.

Sounds like a ticklish situation.

> their cooperation, I don't get anything passed to me. The triumf DNS
> server has to recognize the new IP or it will not pass information.

Not the DNS server -- the router.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:22:28 -0500
From: [e-mail] (F Cat)
Subject: (fractint) Simplgif problems

Hi all...I have two questions about Makemig and Simplgif. My apologies if
the answers are obvious/already answered/buried in the docs!! First, is
there a way to use these two applications with pars that have had
symmetry written into them? I am having no luck here. Second, I have a
par that I have to go through and write in bailoutest=imag, due to the
infamous bailoutest bug. Naturally I want a multi-part par that has as
few parts as possible to minimize the tedious editing. I have a par that,
after this (making a 6400x4800 sized fractal in 16 parts), Makemig does
fine with, and then Simplgif (yes, the new one) just mangles. If anyone
has a clue I'd be grateful.--Alice

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:15:35 -0600
From: Lavondyss <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

Sheesh....I didn't know it's takes this much hassle just to decide on whether or
not to get a domain. Just think of what hassles wil arise when Noel does get a
domain. He'll be swamped for weeks.

Anyways, if one will be obtained, count me in. I'll contribute what I can into
purchasing it.
It is too good of an idea to waste.

- -Lav


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:19:52 -0600
From: Lavondyss <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: SSTOOLS

Ray Montgomery wrote:

>         Hi Rob....
>
>         Thanks for the advice.  Every little bit helps.  I'm hoping against
> hope to get a new computer in a couple of months (And, naturally, that will
> make me, automatically, a better computerist and Fractinter, won't it?
> (Sure it will.)
>         Seriously, I am hard at  work,--hitting the books, as it were, about
> moving around in DOS.  Never done it till Fractint.  Got out my idle
> 'Dummies' (oh, lord, I said it, right out loud!  Forgive me please!) Dos,
> Windows, PC, manuals, for keyboards, monitors, cups (even CPUs) and just
> about everything I can lay my hands on.  Even brought home a book from the
> library thinking it would help but it turned out to be a book on how to
> program for Windows.(Ugh!)
> I'm even considering adult classes on computers at my local Adult Education.
>         Anyway, thanks for the advice.  My computer is Windows 3.1.
>                                 Obliged,        Ray
>
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  Ray,

I did the same thing when I got my computer. I read all the DOS commands and
learned what a mouse was and keyboard was and......etc. I felt like a moron. But
in the long run, it helped me immensely. Don't ask me to program though. GAWD!

I've been around computers for 3 years now, and I think I've accomplished quite
a lot. I'll still have to ask some genius to show me how to program though. But
that can wait a bit. At 21, I think I have quite a way ahead of me.

^_^

- -Lav


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:19:52 -0600
From: Lavondyss <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: SSTOOLS

Ray Montgomery wrote:

>         Hi Rob....
>
>         Thanks for the advice.  Every little bit helps.  I'm hoping against
> hope to get a new computer in a couple of months (And, naturally, that will
> make me, automatically, a better computerist and Fractinter, won't it?
> (Sure it will.)
>         Seriously, I am hard at  work,--hitting the books, as it were, about
> moving around in DOS.  Never done it till Fractint.  Got out my idle
> 'Dummies' (oh, lord, I said it, right out loud!  Forgive me please!) Dos,
> Windows, PC, manuals, for keyboards, monitors, cups (even CPUs) and just
> about everything I can lay my hands on.  Even brought home a book from the
> library thinking it would help but it turned out to be a book on how to
> program for Windows.(Ugh!)
> I'm even considering adult classes on computers at my local Adult Education.
>         Anyway, thanks for the advice.  My computer is Windows 3.1.
>                                 Obliged,        Ray
>
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  Ray,

I did the same thing when I got my computer. I read all the DOS commands and
learned what a mouse was and keyboard was and......etc. I felt like a moron. But
in the long run, it helped me immensely. Don't ask me to program though. GAWD!

I've been around computers for 3 years now, and I think I've accomplished quite
a lot. I'll still have to ask some genius to show me how to program though. But
that can wait a bit. At 21, I think I have quite a way ahead of me.

^_^

- -Lav


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:05:49 -0600
From: Lavondyss <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) testing

Just fixed my computer..testing


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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:22:15 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

    Hi Paul,

    I've been following your posts to the listserv a little.
I think I read through your short intro to the orbit trap fractals.

    I've also gone through a few of the parameter collections
and recreated a few of your images and looked at the formula used.

I think there is enough new material there to make a really good
tutorial. I can't seem to find your brief intro anymore though.
Could you email me another copy and I will read it more carefully
this time.

    Regards,
    Noel Giffin

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