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fractint-digest        Saturday, March 14 1998        Volume 01 : Number 132




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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:34:52 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Color Maps Addendum

I was re-reading skydyes post....and either a map or a par would be
acceptable as a color map submittal. My email doesn't go belly up until I
hit over 3 megs so I can download fairly  large files....but certainly
nothing over 1 meg per person in attachments, please.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:38:01 -0500
From: Theran Cochran <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

With all the traffic in this list, isnt it time to create a newsgroup?

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 22:24:28 +0700
From: "Rob Fargher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Ray and DOS

Hi Ray, hope I can shed a bit of light on your puzzlement.

  Firstly, a general comment.  All the problems you cite come
about from the lack of intuitiveness of computer systems.  For
all their power and advancement, they still aren't a natural
interface nor are they a natural way of working.

> I got an SSTOOLS.INI file made and in the Fractint directory.
> Hope my terminology is correct.  Now I don't know how to
> get into it.

  OK, sstools.ini is a plain-jane text file.   What you want to
do is edit the text in the file.  Thus you need an editor.

  As I understand you, you're running Windows.  I believe
Windows has an editor called Notepad.  Use that to open
the sstools.ini file and edit the contents therein.

  Cheers,
Rob



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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:24:17 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Theran Cochran wrote:

> With all the traffic in this list, isnt it time to create a newsgroup?

I'd like that IF I could actually access Usenet.  As it stands now I can
only access "special" ones that are on their own server, i.e.
3dfx.glide.linux because my school didn't tell us what our default news
server should be.

A newsgroup would be a good idea, but only if the list stays.

Justin K.

I sense a great disturbance in the Source.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:46:38 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

I might like newgroups but I've never been able to figure them out. And why
do I need a newsgroup when I can just read the emails?

I think I'm techo-challenged and scared.
>
>
>On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Theran Cochran wrote:
>
>> With all the traffic in this list, isnt it time to create a newsgroup?
>
>I'd like that IF I could actually access Usenet.  As it stands now I can
>only access "special" ones that are on their own server, i.e.
>3dfx.glide.linux because my school didn't tell us what our default news
>server should be.
>
>A newsgroup would be a good idea, but only if the list stays.
>
>Justin K.
>
>I sense a great disturbance in the Source.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:28:02 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

Theran,

 - With all the traffic in this list, isnt it time to create a newsgroup?

Not really.  Mailing lists have certain advantages over newsgroups, the
biggest of which is that spam is less of a problem.  There's also fewer
problems with missing posts; far too often I see posts missing from a news
thread.  And for some people, mail is easier to deal with than a newsgroup.

I'd hate to see this discussion move to a newsgroup.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:48:13 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) List of URL's

>  - Anyone up for registering fractint.org?

I should do this, I just need to get off my duff. Should it be
fractint.org or fractint.com? What are the meanings of the domain
names.

Tim


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:56:39 -0800
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

> From: [e-mail]
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Theran Cochran wrote:
> > With all the traffic in this list, isnt it time to create a newsgroup?
[...]
> A newsgroup would be a good idea, but only if the list stays.
> Justin K.
> I sense a great disturbance in the Source.

The great disturbance is the Source of email SPAM that
results from posting to a news group. The worst thing I
can vision is a news group echoing my postings to this
forum. SPAMers glean email addresses from those
postings. I have done searches for my name and every
alias I've used posting to sci.fractals and sci.math is
there in these data bases.  There is a news group called
sci.fractals and a binary group for posting images,
alt.binaries.pictures.fractals.

Ob fractals. My last two entries for Fractal of the Night were on the
topic of Newton's method and Mandelbrot sets, a la Paul Carlson.
I posted on my site four quiz questions about these fractals and
what makes them what they are. So far, I have seen no replies.
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotN62.html
and the previous page.  Were these questions too difficult,
obscure, poorly written or just ho hum?  Is there any interest in
this forum for a deeper understanding of what makes these fractals
what they are?  Perhaps there is plenty of beauty derived from
random formulating.  More likely not. I observe a steady
stream of great new formulae coming from Paul Carlson
and perhaps two or three others.  I doubt this is random
formulizationizating.  I suspect strongly that he knows what
he is doing.

Jay




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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:17:42 -0800
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) List of URL's

At 09:48 PM 3/13/98 -0600, Tim wrote:
>...
>Should it be
>fractint.org or fractint.com? What are the meanings of the domain
>names.

.com indicates a commercial enterprise, so it should probably
be .org, but doesn't have to be.

BTW, is it $100 one time, or every year?


Bud


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:45:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "James R. McKenzie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

- ---Tim Wegner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> >  - Anyone up for registering fractint.org?
>
> I should do this, I just need to get off my duff. Should it be
> fractint.org or fractint.com? What are the meanings of the domain
> names.
>
> Tim
>


please do this before some porno group grabs it.  Anyone who saw the
BAMBI link scandal story about Disney knows what I mean.  In case you
missed it, Disney's site has a search-bot to look up the various
characters in th Disney family, it seem ssomeone messed up and anyone
who typed BAMBI as the search criteria got something just a little bit
different than a cartoon charcter drawing of a fawn.  YEP, you guessed
it.  Yowza. yowza, yowza, what a suprize.

I'd be willing to contribute a little money to this end (Protecting
the FRACTINT name that is, almost sounded like somethin' else there
folx).

Please let me know something on this ASAP.



                          T H A N K   Y O U


                          James R. McKenzie

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:56:24 -0800
From: Peter Jakubowicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Time for a newsgroup?

Nooooo. I too wld really hate to see this list go to a newsgroup.

>I posted on my site four quiz questions about these fractals and
>what makes them what they are. So far, I have seen no replies.
>http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotN62.html
>and the previous page.  Were these questions too difficult,
>obscure, poorly written or just ho hum?  Is there any interest in
>this forum for a deeper understanding of what makes these fractals
>what they are?

Yes. Very much interest here. Your Dr. J posts are terrific.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:06:49 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

good idea...

where do i send my check? to whom do i make it out?


>---Tim Wegner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >  - Anyone up for registering fractint.org?
>>
>> I should do this, I just need to get off my duff. Should it be
>> fractint.org or fractint.com? What are the meanings of the domain
>> names.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>
>please do this before some porno group grabs it.  Anyone who saw the
>BAMBI link scandal story about Disney knows what I mean.  In case you
>missed it, Disney's site has a search-bot to look up the various
>characters in th Disney family, it seem ssomeone messed up and anyone
>who typed BAMBI as the search criteria got something just a little bit
>different than a cartoon charcter drawing of a fawn.  YEP, you guessed
>it.  Yowza. yowza, yowza, what a suprize.
>
>I'd be willing to contribute a little money to this end (Protecting
>the FRACTINT name that is, almost sounded like somethin' else there
>folx).
>
>Please let me know something on this ASAP.
>
>
>
>                          T H A N K   Y O U
>
>
>                          James R. McKenzie


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:59:17 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Thank you note

        I have enjoyed your humor, wisdome and good advice, even when I was
sitting in the shadows, spying on the group before I joined.  I felt a
little like an 007 character, but I have discovered that more than I have
sort of "checked it out" before making the move.  I almost did not venture
in because it IS intimidating for a non-technical person to read all that
very "in" talk.
        The truth is, I love generating fractals to such a degree that, in
spite of my reluctance I leaped in feeling I was sure to learn.  It may be
slow, because there is so much, but I will.
        The final condition of my joining was because in spite of having
generated somewhat over 2000 images through Fractint, I still felt like I
was on the most basic and elementary level with many mountains to go.
        I AM learning, day by day, and have been given direction and areas
to explore by so many of you in this participation.
        Incidentally, I still stand by my insistance that the docs should be
written by non-programmers - or by secondary authors who must learn what
they are writing about, not by experts who know so much that it seems simple
to them.  A prime example was the other evening when I entered Jay Hill's
web-site and down-loaded a sort of tutorial by Jack Valero on SSTOOLS.INI.
        To begin with it was a very valuable piece for me to have.  I got a
lot out of it - and, here's the BUT - for instance, the questioner was
asking how to enter an entire par file into fractint (a problem I must face
some day).... and Jack's reply was, "Press the 2 or SHIFT-@ key on the top
row of your keyboard.  This will let you load pars into Fractint."  He knows
what he is saying and he knows what the next procedure is, but he has NOT
answered the question..."how do you ENTER the pars into Fractint...."  not
where is the door.  Yes, it is important to know where the door is, how to
unlock or open it - but to the absolute beginner the relieving answer is not
there yet.  Yes, a person cannot be hand-held, he must do some investigating
himself, but certain mysterious - and NEW procedures must be introduced to
him.
        Well, I do ramble on.  This was to be primarily a thank you note and
has turned out to be a monstrous harangue.  Sorry.  BUT....
Fractals are my hobby!  and  I occasionally have bouts of "Temporary sanity"
and I don't know what to do about it, except rave!
        Thanks for listening and thanks again for advice well given.  I
assure you that it has been well taken.

                       Ray


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:36:59 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) color ut oh

If you want to submit color maps....please name them so I have some clue as
to who submitted what. I'm already confused!!! ((not good)).

Your maps come thru to me as attachments which are dumped into a common
email ground until I can get to them. Soooooooooooo.......if you name a
map....cutie.map.....I have to go back to your email to figure out it is
your map.

Try re-naming your color maps to your nickname (like wizzle) or your real
name i.e. carlson, wegner, etc.

Thanks

Angela

p.s. so far I've only gotten Damien's maps sucessfully...please re-transmit to

[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:45:41 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) HARD HARDWARE QUESTION

Quake?


64 GIGS?!?!?!


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:14:15 -0800
From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Time for a Newsgroup?

I really like this group- It's lively and there are a lot of
very smart,  creative people who are kind to newcomers.
Generally people are careful to stay on topic, but you get a sense
of who they are.  There's quite a range of ages and interests.
I would hate to see anything change the basic
structure.  Traffic is kind of high, but you can just hit delete if it's

not of interest to you.

Jay Hill wrote:
>I posted on my site four quiz questions about these fractals and
>what makes them what they are. So far, I have seen no replies.

You questions are interesting, and very much at the level that
I would like to understand this stuff.  ""A" is just for scaling" - just
the
sort of thing that I want to know and slowly figure out.  I'm sure the
major figures in this know the answers and are not going to post
them.   I think other people are quite varied in their approach to it.
I work in an unrelated and  demanding field, and I really like to
come home and do this- tend to read the mail and doodle around with
pictures nearly every day.  I am interested in the theory but save them
up
for times when I have energy for real thought- e.g. printed them out and

took a bundle on vacation,  impressing my friends.  Anyway, don't stop
doing it, and if you don't get an answer right away it's not for lack of
interest.


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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:26:15 -0800
From: Ryan Jameson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) HARD HARDWARE QUESTION

At 04:44 PM 3/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I am going to buy a new computer soon and want to make sure Fractint, among
>other things, will work on it. I know I want at least a 17'' monitor, 64
>megs of RAM, and a 64 GB hard-drive.  I'm considering a package from one of
>these mail order places (Dell or Gateway), but as I am totally clueless
>about this, I wld _really_ appreciate any specific recommendations on
>graphics hardware, and general info, too. I am looking for the ideal setup
>to run fractal programs and Quake. Pls send any info or flames to me
>personally, so as not to SPAM up the list.
>Thank you.
>

I use a Matrox Millenium II 8 megs that came with my Dell. I think that
it's great for Fractint, but then, the only other time I have used fractint
was a long time ago on a 286 (yikes!) It really screams on this machine.

Ryan

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:47:13 -0600
From: Felix <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

Wizzle wrote:

> Good idea...
>
> Where do i send my check?  To whom do i make it out?

Ditto....
       --Andrew

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:57:38 -0600
From: Felix <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) List of URL's

Mark Christenson wrote:

> At 09:48 PM 3/13/98 -0600, Tim wrote:
> >...
> >Should it be
> >fractint.org or fractint.com? What are the meanings of the domain
> >names.
>
> .com indicates a commercial enterprise, so it should probably
> be .org, but doesn't have to be.
>
> BTW, is it $100 one time, or every year?
>
> Bud

(Copied straight from the interNIC's faq)

"The cost for registering a new domain name in .com, .org, and .net is
$100 (US). This fee covers the initial registration and updates to the
domain name's database record for a period of two years. Following the
initial two-year period, registrants will be charged $50 (US) annually,
on the anniversary of the initial registration, to renew the domain
name. The renewal (re-registration) fee also covers updates for that
year. The billing contact will be sent an invoice by postal and
electronic mail 30 days before this fee is due.
Updates that are not covered by this fee are: changes to the domain name
itself; transfers of the domain name to another party; changes in the
Organization's information that in effect represent a transfer of the
domain name to another legal entity. These actions are not considered
updates and require a new registration to be processed, which will be
subject to the $100 (US) new registration fee. "


fractint.org and fractint.com are both available.  The cost is the same
for either.  The registration process looks painless enough, and details
are available at the interNIC's site:
http://rs.internic.net/

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:09:10 -0800
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Thank you note

> From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
>
[...]
>         The final condition of my joining was because in spite of having
> generated somewhat over 2000 images through Fractint, I still felt like I
> was on the most basic and elementary level with many mountains to go.

So I take it you stored then as GIF files and read them in with the r command.

[...]
> to them.  A prime example was the other evening when I entered Jay Hill's
> web-site and down-loaded a sort of tutorial by Jack Valero on SSTOOLS.INI.
>         To begin with it was a very valuable piece for me to have.  I got a
> lot out of it - and, here's the BUT - for instance, the questioner was
> asking how to enter an entire par file into fractint (a problem I must face
> some day).... and Jack's reply was, "Press the 2 or SHIFT-@ key on the top
> row of your keyboard.  This will let you load pars into Fractint."  He knows

This is like magic, getting the par file started. It is a lot like making bread
or
yogurt.  If you have the starter bacteria, you can make more. Otherwise,
getting started is tough.

> what he is saying and he knows what the next procedure is, but he has NOT
> answered the question..."how do you ENTER the pars into Fractint...."  not
> where is the door.  Yes, it is important to know where the door is, how to
> unlock or open it - but to the absolute beginner the relieving answer is not

Let's say someone, or you even, make a formula which you have in a
file named ClassicM.txt.  You may have just copied it from email into
notepad which seems to insist on calling it a .txt file. Or you may
have used an export feature of your email. Anyway, you want to see
what it does. I'm going to assume the formula has a new unique name.
Suppose it looks like this:

frm:classic-M1 { ; Jay Hill, 1998
; requires periodicity=0 and outside=summ
continue = 1,
z = 0,
zc = c = pixel
   :
if (|zc| > 4)
    continue = 0 ; we want to stop
else
    zc = sqr(zc) + c
endif
continue == 1; keep going while continue is 1
}

You can rename the file to this ClassicM.frm so Fractint can
find the formula as it scans all the .frm files in your Fractint
directory.  This is the usual way we do this and there are
even some organized files available at Spanky
http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/spanky.html
with alphabetic sorting of the formulas. But here you need
to do one thing to make it work. Remove the frm: from line

frm:classic-M1 {

so that the formula reads...

classic-M1 { ; Jay Hill, 1998
; requires periodicity=0 and outside=summ
continue = 1,
z = 0,
zc = c = pixel
   :
if (|zc| > 4)
    continue = 0 ; we want to stop
else
    zc = sqr(zc) + c
endif
continue == 1; keep going while continue is 1
}

This is the format of formulas in the frm files.  Now start Fractint,
hit t and see the formula types menu screen.  At the top it says...

fn*fn          fn*z+z         fn+fn          formula        frothybasin

use the arrow keys up to and select 'formula'.  Press Enter and see
the selection of formulas in the fractint.frm file. We are looking for
your formula in a different file. Press F6 and see something like this...

Select Formula File
Template: c:\jay\fractint.196\*.frm

This is the directory which should have your file. Select classicm.frm.

Formula Selection
File: c:\jay\fractint.196\classicm.frm

  classic-M

Now select classic-M press enter and see

Parameters for fractal type formula

Since we don't have any parameters to play with, press enter again, see

                        Select Video Mode
key...name......................xdot.ydot.colr.comment..................
F2    IBM 16-Color EGA           640  350  16  Standard EGA hi-res mode
F3    IBM 256-Color VGA/MCGA     320  200 256  Quick and LOTS of colors

Select the mode you want and you will see the image with default colors.

The image looks awful, for it is supposed to be the Mandelbrot set.
We need, for this formula, to set a few parameters like periodicity=0
and outside=summ.   I find it easier to set these up later.  Now
we can create a par file which gets us started with this formula any
time again quickly. Press B and see

Parameter file  c:\jay\fractint.196\fractint.par

Put the cursor in this line and edit the file name to look like this...

Parameter file  c:\jay\fractint.196\ClassicM.par

Put a name in file to name the image and when you are ready, press
enter to save it.

Now with an ASCII text editor, edit classicm.par adding the commands
you need for the formula. I like to add a line to indicate the image name
so when someone makes the image, they can save it with a name
which makes sense and is the same as anyone else would name it.
It might look like this...

classic-M {  ; Ray Montgomery, 1998
reset=1960 type=formula formulaname=classic-M1
periodicity=0 outside=summ
center-mag=-0.75/0.0/.4/1/0
float=y maxiter=256 inside=0
savename=classicm
}

Now let's try it.

Go into Fractint, press '@', 'F6', and select 'classicm.par' from
the list of files.  See the menu...

                 Parameter Set Selection
                 File: c:\jay\fractint.196\classicm.par

classic-M       Ray Montgomery, 1998

Select classic-M, press enter, select video mode, and see the image

That is better, having the right parameters helps.  Now start exploring
in your new formula. Try colors and options. But remember certain
restrictions apply to certain formulas, this one needs 'outside=summ'
so if you go into the X menu, don't change that one.

One last thing. When you post your images, be sure to include colors
and the formula.  Save images with B making sure the line

 Record colors?  y

says 'y'.  To keep track of the formula, I put the formula right
in the par file containing pars which use it, right at the top.
Do it this way, with the frm: in front, including author and
any other remarks you may need for reference.

comment { ; from Jay Hill's monstrous harangue }
frm:classic-M1 { ; Jay Hill, 1998
; requires periodicity=0 and outside=summ
continue = 1,
z = 0,
zc = c = pixel
   :
if (|zc| > 4)
    continue = 0 ; we want to stop
else
    zc = sqr(zc) + c
endif
continue == 1 ; keep going while continue is 1
}

Although you could write all your frm and par files from scratch, I like to let
Fractint do some of the work and do lots of copy and paste.

> there yet.  Yes, a person cannot be hand-held, he must do some investigating
> himself, but certain mysterious - and NEW procedures must be introduced to
> him.

Just ask.....

>         Well, I do ramble on.  This was to be primarily a thank you note and
> has turned out to be a monstrous harangue.  Sorry.  BUT....

You should see the documentation of the final acceptance test of serious
software. Every step is written out and expected results indicated. I have
sort of done that here, since it seemed called for this time. After 10 hour
days of running these tests, I'm beginning to think that way.....

> Fractals are my hobby!  and  I occasionally have bouts of "Temporary sanity"
> and I don't know what to do about it, except rave!
>         Thanks for listening and thanks again for advice well given.  I
> assure you that it has been well taken.
>

Hope this helps.
Jay
PS. Hi Kathy, thanks.


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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:38:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "James R. McKenzie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG      again

> (Copied straight from the interNIC\\'s faq)
>
> "The cost for registering a new domain name in .com, .org, and .net is
> $100 (US). This fee covers the initial registration and updates to the
> domain name\\'s database record for a period of two years. Following
the
> initial two-year period, registrants will be charged $50 (US)
annually,
> on the anniversary of the initial registration, to renew the domain
> name. The renewal (re-registration) fee also covers updates for that
> year. The billing contact will be sent an invoice by postal and
> electronic mail 30 days before this fee is due.
> Updates that are not covered by this fee are: changes to the domain
name
> itself; transfers of the domain name to another party; changes in the
> Organization\\'s information that in effect represent a transfer of
the
> domain name to another legal entity. These actions are not considered
> updates and require a new registration to be processed, which will be
> subject to the $100 (US) new registration fee. "
>
>
> fractint.org and fractint.com are both available.  The cost is the
same
> for either.  The registration process looks painless enough, and
details
> are available at the interNIC\\'s site:
> http://rs.internic.net/
>
> --Andrew
>

$100 for 2 years then $50 per anum heck yeah that\'s damn reasonable!

Who do I send the money order to (I prefer M.O.\'s)

I DO NOT suggest myself BTW I\'m absolutely dreadful at money
management even when I have some.  8-I <-- My no sense of money
management and I\'m ticked off at myself face.

Anyway FRACTINT.ORG has a very cool ring to it IMHO.

Once again Who do I send the MO to?

And just as important :

When or how soon?


This is almost exciting!  8->   <-- goofy grin.



                         James R. McKenzie


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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:23:23 -0500
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

At 08:45 PM 3/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I'd be willing to contribute a little money to this end (Protecting
>the FRACTINT name that is, almost sounded like somethin' else there
>folx).

I dislike somewhat posts which are nothing more than "me, too", but in this
case:

me, too.
:)
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Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:25:13 -0500
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Maps

>Feedback?
>
>Angela

It may be of some help if they were zipped.
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:42:08 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG

James R. McKenzie wrote:
>
> ---Tim Wegner <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > >  - Anyone up for registering fractint.org?
> >
> > I should do this, I just need to get off my duff. Should it be
> > fractint.org or fractint.com? What are the meanings of the domain
> > names.
> >
>
> I'd be willing to contribute a little money to this end (Protecting
> the FRACTINT name that is, almost sounded like somethin' else there
> folx).
>

Domain Name Registration:

Registering a domain name with Internic Software will cost US$250.  This
cost covers NIC fees for two years and their service fees.  After two
years, you will be billed US$50 by the relevant registry authority
(called the InterNIC operated by Network Solutions, Inc..) to renew your
registration.

There are currently 210 Fractint subscribers and 61 Fractint-Digest
subscribers.  If divided up equally among the number of members on the
discussion list, it would amount to less than a dollar apiece.  In fact,
it might cost some individuals more in postage than to pay that small of
a percentage.

There are three different types of domain names that you can register.
The general purposes for these domains are listed below:

  .COM   Commercial
  .NET   Network
  .ORG   Miscellaneous Organizations

Every domain requires that you set up your DNS before applying for your
domain name.  To set up a DNS you have to make entries for your new
domain on two separate machines connected to the Internet.  These two
machines are called Domain Name Servers, and are referred to as Primary
DNS and Secondary DNS.

Most people don't have their own DNS but just want to reserve a name for
future use.  If you just want to reserve a domain name, then you may
have a problem.  One option is to contact a local Service Provider and
start paying monthly fees even though you are not using the name.

Another option, without additional charge, is that Internic Software
will set up DNS for your domain(s) on its machines.  This DNS setup up
is temporary and can NOT be used for web site hosting.  You can change
your DNS at any time by simply modifying your domain name information.

If you want to use your own DNS, simply fill out the DNS information on
InterNIC's online secure order form.  They will use this information
when they submit your application.

If you just want to secure your domain name (so that no one else can
take it), InterNIC will set up your DNS so that your application will be
accepted.  Just get the name for now and then transfer it over when
you're ready to use it.

There will soon be new high-level names added to the list available, but
this may not happen until sometime around September (depending on
current bureaucracy).

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:47:19 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) FRACTINT.ORG      again

>> fractint.org or fractint.com?

Both are kind of ironic, since the wonderful folk who have given us
fractint are neither really an organization, nor are they a commercial
endeavour.  Since one of the themes of fractals is apparent organization
arising out of chaos, I'd go with .org (and send in $, but I'll have to
run the gauntlet of the postal services, since money orders and checks for
small amounts of foreign currency are expensive out of proportion and
bothersome for the recipients, respectively - hope no dishonest posties
are reading this!)



- --
Mike Traynor

People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
    Abraham Lincoln

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