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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:37:56 -0700
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) =3D disease

In article <[e-mail]> ,
    Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>  writes:
>   But if the message doesn't have any accented letter, what makes it
> "think" printed-quotable is needed?

That's just it... the compuserve software isn't thinking at all; it
just puts printed-quotable on every message it sends.  At least, that
is what the compuserve technical support people seem to be saying.

> >> I've looked back over all my fractint messages that are plagued with
> >> =3D3D disease and they all come from compuserve.
>
>   Not all!!!!  There are also messages from Justin A. Kolodziej, Linda
> Allison, Cesare Gianuzzi, Gedeon Peteri and Jay Hill.

Yes, other people have been sending a few messages that are this way.
However, although I didn't do an exhaustive search of every message
ever posted to fractint, I just looked over the ones I'd gotten
recently.  Of those, the ones with content-transfer-encoding of
printed-quotable were from:

    Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
    Les St Clair <[e-mail]>
    Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
    [e-mail] (Guy Marson)
    "Steve Jenks" <[e-mail]>

With the two non-compuserve addresses accounting for only 4 messages
out of 42.  Of those 4 messages, one originates from a place on the
globe where iso-8859 is the natural encoding (i.e. europe) and the
others are in printed-quotable because of the way Steve Jenks appears
to have configured his email program.  (Microsoft Outlook Express)
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     3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D;        Rich Thomson
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:39:04 -0700
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) =3D disease

In article <[e-mail]> ,
    "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>  writes:
> Me?!?!  I checked v01.n034 through v01.n055. All my posts from ehill1
> are fine!  We'll see about this one from nosc.mil.

I can't recall ever having seen a post from you in quoted-printable.
Sorry folks, but compuserve is to blame here... complain to them.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:05:24 -0800
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) =3D disease

Rich wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> ,
    "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>  writes:
>> Me?!?!  I checked v01.n034 through v01.n055. All my posts from ehill1
>> are fine!  We'll see about this one from nosc.mil.
>I can't recall ever having seen a post from you in quoted-printable.
>Sorry folks, but compuserve is to blame here... complain to them.
There is one strange one however.  Clamcake forwarded one of my
email (when the server was messed up) and it got the =3D sickness
without Compuserve involvement.  Clamcake is on aol.  See

 ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/v01.n045

Here is the date of the post:
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 07:42:56 EST
>From: Clamcake <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (fractint) Fwd: Fw: A strange fractal
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
[... my post followed...]
Look at this (above quoted) line.... it put my good email into a
bad format. None of the other Clamcake posts are =3Ded
that I saw. And none of mine are!

Another marginal par for a marginally off topic post appended...
Here is a thought.  A year or two from now, the only surviving
copies of posts to this forum will be the off topic posts with
the penalty par files!!!     :-)

Jay

Use Carlson's formula, see
<URL: http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/CARLSON.PAR >
4113_36_1           { ; Copyright (c) Jay Hill, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=rast.frm
  formulaname=Astroid_Mset passes=t
  center-mag=-0.749010325962558199/0.1062336845466507/356773.5
  params=0.0015/0.3/8/30
  float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00z\
  R<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000z88000000
  savename=4113_36_1
  }




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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:25:53 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

Rich Thomson wrote:
>
> This is only true if you don't change the depth of the pixels.
> So if you switch from 1280x1024 256 colors to 1024x768 16-bit
> color, you will still have to reboot.
>

Excuse me, but you are incorrect.

Have you ever used, or do you use, the "QuickRes" utility that I
mentioned???

I can go from the following modes back and forth in only about a second
with no reboot what-so-ever:

    640 x  480  @  256 color (8-bit)
    800 x  600  @  256 color (8-bit)
   1024 x  768  @  256 color (8-bit)
   1280 x 1024  @  256 color (8-bit)

    640 x  480  @  HiColor (16-bit)
    800 x  600  @  HiColor (16-bit)
   1024 x  768  @  HiColor (16-bit)
   1280 x 1024  @  HiColor (16-bit)

    640 x  480  @  TrueColor (32-bit)

Besides, "Bagpuss" only mentioned changing resolutions (the number of
pixels in the image horizontally and vertically).  Nothing was mentioned
about the amount of colors available (even though it may be done without
reboot).

Resolution is the amount of definition and clarity in an image.  The dot
pitch of a CRT display monitor affects resolution.  However, resolution
is usually measured in terms of the number of pixels ("picture elements"
or screen "dots") per square inch.  By varying the display device driver
the operating system is using, a user can vary the resolution of the
monitor by changing the number of lines on the screen and thereby
altering the number of pixels.  For example, one could reset a Windows
setup to select a driver that provides an 800 (horizontal) by 600
(vertical) line display.

The upper limit of resolution for most PC monitors is about 72 to 100
pixels per inch. As a comparison, most PC printers offer 300 to 600 dpi
(dots per inch) resolution.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:32:51 -0700
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

In article <[e-mail]> ,
    "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> Excuse me, but you are incorrect.
>
> Have you ever used, or do you use, the "QuickRes" utility that I
> mentioned???

Yes, and it required me to reboot if I changed the pixel depth.
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:58:29 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

Rich Thomson wrote:
>
> Yes, and it required me to reboot if I changed the pixel depth.
>

Must be something unique with your system setup.  I have been using is
for around two years now without problems.  And all of my friends and
work associates that use it have never had any problems either.  In
fact, there are thousands of individuals that use this.

Maybe you should try downloading it again from:

   http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows95/info/powertoys.htm

And then give it another try.


Following portion copied from the above URL:

    "Change the screen's resolution and bit depth right from
     the taskbar... without rebooting!
     (40kb, last updated: 10/23/95. For Windows 95.)"

P.N.L.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:37:31 -0800
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

I'm using P166 Win95 version 4.00.950 B and not the greatest
amount of video RAM. I'm not using QuickRes, but I can
change among these without rebooting

    640 x  480  @  256 color (8-bit)
    800 x  600  @  256 color (8-bit)
   1024 x  768  @  256 color (8-bit)
   1152 x  864  @  256 color (8-bit)

    640 x  480  @  HiColor (16-bit)
    800 x  600  @  HiColor (16-bit)

But if I want higher resolution I can get

   1280 x 1024  @  16 color
Going to this one I must reboot.

I think there is a Win 95 version dependency here.  An older
version on a P200 with bigger monitor and more RAM had
to boot as I recall. I'll check it again later.

Jay

Love those Carlson formula...
<URL:http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/CARLSON.PAR>

4054_36_1           { ; Copyright (c) Jay Hill, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=rast.frm
  formulaname=Astroid_Mset passes=t
  center-mag=-1.0681983441569025/0.2488787048632371/98720.96/1/-90
  params=0.003/0.3/8/30
  float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00z\
  R<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000z88000000
  savename=4054_36_1
  }




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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:07:23 -0700
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

In article <[e-mail]> ,
    "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>  writes:
> I think there is a Win 95 version dependency here.

I believe that the reboot requirement depends on your video card.
So as I said before, even though you have the MS "power toy", you
still may be required to reboot when changing video parameters.
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:48:28 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

Rich Thomson wrote:
>
> I believe that the reboot requirement depends on your video card.
>

This could be possible, or it might have to do with the OS release
level, or drivers and release level, or some combination of these.

>
> So as I said before, even though you have the MS "power toy", you
> still may be required to reboot when changing video parameters.
>

Well, not quite what you said before.  But, at least you have revised
your original "will still have to reboot" to "may be required to
reboot".

P.N.L.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:24:47 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Yet another unreadable formula from Paul Carlson

I've didn't have trouble with this or any of Sylvies other posts.

Angela


At 07:09 AM 1/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Jay wrote:
>>> I noticed Sylvie's posts in the archives are mangled. That means
>>> several  of you can't read her posts of Paul Carlson's formulae
>>> without difficulty.
>
>  Does the following par have the '=3D" disease???
>
>May-2    { ; Sylvie Gallet, Dec 1997
>           ; Newton's method applied to z^3 - 1 = 0
>           ; Use decomp = 256 and periodicity = 0


<<snip>>

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:25:44 -0600
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) entering formulas

I'm slowly catching up on reading hundreds and hundreds of e-mail
messages. Read this one today that was posted to the list server on New
Year's Day:

B Michie wrote:
>
>
> BESSEL-2 {
>       c = z = pixel:
>          z = cos(z) / z + pixel,
>       |z| <= 100
> }
>

Question: Is the equation z=cos(z)/z+pixel correct? If so then c=z=pixel
is not needed & should be rewritten as z=pixel. If, on the other hand,
c=z=pixel is correct, why is there no "c" in the equation? In other
words, is "c" being used or not?

Taking Bill Rossi's recommendation of this past Monday, how about...
z=fn1(z*z)/z+c or z=fn1(z*z)+c/z+pixel or fn1(z*z)+c/z or
fn1(z*z)/z+c+pixel or, or, or, etc. etc. etc.

Just putting in my two pfennigs.

Bob Margolis
Curator of the Opus Series of Fractal Doodles


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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:37:13 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

Hey....I have powertoys too!!!  And I'm a computer dummy......they work
great....I keep the screen resolution do-dad in my tray ....get it!!!
There are some more cute tricks in the package too....

This is only slightly off topic since Sylvie once pointed out to me that
her Winfract color cycled....so does mine in 256 color mode...which you can
re-set with the powertoys thingummy......frankly its easier to run fractint
under windows in dos.....mostly the screen res thingy is good to look at
your web pages in two resolutions....800 x 600 and 640 x 480....or 1200 x
whatever if you are like my son and like to squint.

Angela


At 02:06 PM 1/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Bagpuss wrote:
>>
>> There is another issue as well...ie graphics modes.
>> Windows is very strict about screen resolutions, and
>> would you really want to restart your machine every
>> time you wished to change resolution?
>>
>
>Microsoft has some useful items for downloading from their site.  They
>are usually referred to as "Power Toys".  One of these is a small
>executable to be put into your StartUp path, called "QuickRes".  It will
>stay in your System Tray and allow you to instantly alter your monitors
>resolution without rebooting.
>
>It has always worked fine for me without any problems.
>
>P.N.L.
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:45:55 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

 <<<nodnodnodnodnodnod>>  yup...you can switch right there on the fly...in
front of everybody.....neato.......a GOOD thing from the crew at Uncle
Bill's farm...probably in their own spare time rather than on his
$43bil....and therefore it actually works and does NOT cause win95 crashes.
 Sooooooooooooooooooooooo many freebies....sooooooooooooooo many plagued
betas for the unwary.

From

She Who Has Had to Reload Win95 Six (6) Times Due to Faulty Microsnot Betas

At 04:25 PM 1/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Rich Thomson wrote:
>>
>> This is only true if you don't change the depth of the pixels.
>> So if you switch from 1280x1024 256 colors to 1024x768 16-bit
>> color, you will still have to reboot.
>>
>
>Excuse me, but you are incorrect.
>
>Have you ever used, or do you use, the "QuickRes" utility that I
>mentioned???
>
>I can go from the following modes back and forth in only about a second
>with no reboot what-so-ever:
>
>    640 x  480  @  256 color (8-bit)
>    800 x  600  @  256 color (8-bit)
>   1024 x  768  @  256 color (8-bit)
>   1280 x 1024  @  256 color (8-bit)
>
>    640 x  480  @  HiColor (16-bit)
>    800 x  600  @  HiColor (16-bit)
>   1024 x  768  @  HiColor (16-bit)
>   1280 x 1024  @  HiColor (16-bit)
>
>    640 x  480  @  TrueColor (32-bit)
>
>Besides, "Bagpuss" only mentioned changing resolutions (the number of
>pixels in the image horizontally and vertically).  Nothing was mentioned
>about the amount of colors available (even though it may be done without
>reboot).
>
>Resolution is the amount of definition and clarity in an image.  The dot
>pitch of a CRT display monitor affects resolution.  However, resolution
>is usually measured in terms of the number of pixels ("picture elements"
>or screen "dots") per square inch.  By varying the display device driver
>the operating system is using, a user can vary the resolution of the
>monitor by changing the number of lines on the screen and thereby
>altering the number of pixels.  For example, one could reset a Windows
>setup to select a driver that provides an 800 (horizontal) by 600
>(vertical) line display.
>
>The upper limit of resolution for most PC monitors is about 72 to 100
>pixels per inch. As a comparison, most PC printers offer 300 to 600 dpi
>(dots per inch) resolution.
>


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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:56:55 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Powertoys URL

Paul found the Powertoys at
***********
   http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/info/powertoys.htm

in case anyone else asks you.

Thanks again.
Paul
************
In the "useful stuff" category if you have win95



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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:56:33 -0800
From: "Steve Jenks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) =3D disease

>Yes, other people have been sending a few messages that are this way.
>However, although I didn't do an exhaustive search of every message
>ever posted to fractint, I just looked over the ones I'd gotten
>recently.  Of those, the ones with content-transfer-encoding of
>printed-quotable were from:
>
>    "Steve Jenks" <[e-mail]>
>
>With the two non-compuserve addresses accounting for only 4 messages
>out of 42.  Of those 4 messages, one originates from a place on the
>globe where iso-8859 is the natural encoding (i.e. europe) and the
>others are in printed-quotable because of the way Steve Jenks appears
>to have configured his email program.  (Microsoft Outlook Express)

I just turned it off. I was trying to debug a problem sending attached files
to people on AOL, and that's what my ISP suggested. It didn't work, but I
forgot to reset it. So that's one less to puzzle over.  SJ



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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:53:15 -0500
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Petals_Julia

- --------------------------------------------------------
This formula produces flower-like elements using orbit
traps consisting of the overlapping areas of four circles.
The Mandelbrot set equation used here produces flowers
with four petals.  Other equations produce different
numbers of petals.  Included are two PAR files to try
it with.

Petals_Julia {; Paul Carlson
    ;****************************************************
    ; Always use floating point math and outside=3Dsumm.
    ;
    ; Parameters:
    ;   p1       =3D coordinates of the Julia set
    ;   real(p2) =3D radius of the circles - this controls
    ;              the size of the petals
    ;   imag(p2)   Not Used
    ;   real(p3) =3D number of color ranges
    ;   imag(p3) =3D number of colors in each color range
    ;
    ; Note that the equation variable is w, not z.  Always
    ; initialize z to zero.
    ;****************************************************
    w =3D pixel
    c =3D p1
    z =3D 0
    r =3D real(p2)
    r2 =3D r * r
    k =3D 0.35355339 * r    ; Don't mess with this constant
    num_ranges =3D real(p3)
    colors_in_range =3D imag(p3)
    range_num =3D 0
    iter =3D 0:
    ;
    w =3D w * w + c
    ;
    wr =3D real(w), wi =3D imag(w)
    c1 =3D (((wr-r) * (wr-r) + wi * wi) < r2)
    c2 =3D ((wr * wr + (wi+r) * (wi+r)) < r2)
    c3 =3D (((wr+r) * (wr+r) + wi * wi) < r2)
    c4 =3D ((wr * wr + (wi-r) * (wi-r)) < r2)
    IF (c1 && c4)
      d =3D (wr-k) * (wr-k) + (wi-k) * (wi-k)
    ELSEIF (c1 && c2)
      d =3D (wr-k) * (wr-k) + (wi+k) * (wi+k)
    ELSEIF (c2 && c3)
      d =3D (wr+k) * (wr+k) + (wi+k) * (wi+k)
    ELSEIF (c3 && c4)
      d =3D (wr+k) * (wr+k) + (wi-k) * (wi-k)
    ELSE
      d =3D 0
    ENDIF
    IF (d > 0)
    index =3D colors_in_range * d / r2
    z =3D index + range_num * colors_in_range + 1
    ENDIF
    range_num =3D range_num + 1
    IF (range_num =3D=3D num_ranges)
        range_num =3D 0
    ENDIF
    iter =3D iter + 1
    z =3D z - iter
    d =3D=3D 0 && |w| < 1000
}


julia_petals_1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1997
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dpetals.frm
  formulaname=3DPetals_Julia passes=3Dt
  center-mag=3D-4.44089e-016/2.22045e-016/0.8130081
  params=3D-0.74107075/0.1578683/0.2/0/2/125
  float=3Dy maxiter=3D2000
  inside=3D253 outside=3Dsumm
  colors=3D000aG0<60>zy0zz0zy0<60>aG0C0C<60>yVyzVzyVy<60>C\
  0C000<3>000
  }


julia_petals_2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1997
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dpetals.frm
  formulaname=3DPetals_Julia passes=3Dt
  corners=3D-0.7881936/0.8801584/0.015265/1.266529
  params=3D0.359166203/-0.09033392599999999/0.3/0/8/30
  float=3Dy maxiter=3D5000 inside=3D253 outside=3Dsumm
  colors=3D000c40<14>xU0zW0yU0<11>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>a\
  G00C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>0\
  0OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z8\
  8<12>O00000<13>000
  }



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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:14:59 -0000
From: Edward Avis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Embedding URLs

You can solve this potential problem by enclosing the URL in <URL: >, as in
<URL: http://www.yahoo.com/>.  The <URL: > enclosure has been proposed as a
way to embed URLs safely within other text files and have them be easily
recognized and extracted by programs.

No, please don't do this.  I'm using bgOutlook and it includes the final
">" as part of the URL :-(

Maybe put a space before the end of the URL and the ">".

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:12:16 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)

Is anyone archiving all the parameter and formula files that have been
posted to this list?  Are they available in one place (aside from removing
them from all the archived postings)?

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:17:44 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

Rich,

 - > It will
 - > stay in your System Tray and allow you to instantly alter your monitors
 - > resolution without rebooting.
 -
 - This is only true if you don't change the depth of the pixels.  So if
 - you switch from 1280x1024 256 colors to 1024x768 16-bit color, you
 - will still have to reboot.

Not true.  You can switch color depths, too.  The problem is, most graphics
software only checks the color depth when it is first started, so if you
change color depths, the software isn't smart enough to check and adapt.
Closing and re-opening such apps generally is enough to get them to work,
and closing all graphics apps and re-opening them is a far cry from a full
reboot.

I have personally used QuickRes on many different graphics cards, and it
never required a reboot on any of them.  However, I *have* used the "screen
managers" that ship with most brand-name graphics cards; these managers
also provide a resolution-switching option, but they generally *do* require
a reboot.  I typically disable video card screen managers now, and just use
QuickRes. :)

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:16:02 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Client-server Fractint

Bagpuss,

 - hmm, I DO care if the render time goes up...
 - Win95 has a horiffic processor overhead, and while this is
 - fine on a fast machine (most programs dont use very much
 - processing power) for processor intensive work (like fractal
 - and 3d rendering) DOS is better by far - up to 2.5 times
 - faster on my machine.

Then your machine is configured incorrectly.  Properly set up, FractInt
running in a DOS box under Windows 95 is only 2% slower.  This has been
covered before on this list.

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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)


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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:31:18 -0800
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)

Hi Kerry,

I'm putting Paul Carlson's in a file which I update whenever he gives
us a new formula.
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/CARLSON.PAR
Ed Avis: how does this work for you? Put the URL on a separate line?
BTW, I have about 10MB of archive of this list from which pars and frms
could be extracted.

Question again (I asked this a week ago). What do all you all
think would be the right way to do this? One big frm and one
big par for each of 1996, 1997. Then small ones this year?
What should be included? Enough of the header and test to
ID it and document the formula? Then there is the problem
of cross referencing between them. frm will need a reference
to the names of the sample pars. Anything else?

Jay

Another Carlson frm...
1007_36_0           { ; Copyright (c) Jay Hill, 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=rast.frm
  formulaname=Astroid_Mset passes=t
  center-mag=-1.7577010598495029/0.0174547251000015/7724.799
  params=0.003/0.3/8/30
  float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00z\
  R<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000z88000000
  savename=1006_36_0
  }

- ----------
> From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)
> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:12 AM
>
> Is anyone archiving all the parameter and formula files that have been
> posted to this list?  Are they available in one place (aside from removing
> them from all the archived postings)?
>
>
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kerry Mitchell
> [e-mail]
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:48:23 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)

Jay,

 - BTW, I have about 10MB of archive of this list from which pars and frms
 - could be extracted.

10M!  I thought I had all the messages, but I've got less than 7M of
material.  (Then again, I didn't get that 2.5M file somebody posted to the
list, either...)

 - Question again (I asked this a week ago). What do all you all
 - think would be the right way to do this? One big frm and one
 - big par for each of 1996, 1997. Then small ones this year?
 - What should be included? Enough of the header and test to
 - ID it and document the formula? Then there is the problem
 - of cross referencing between them. frm will need a reference
 - to the names of the sample pars. Anything else?

A big PAR for previous years should be fine.  If the creators did not
include their name in the PAR comments, edit the PAR to include the name.
The date of posting would also be nice, but not critical.

All FRMs should be in a separate file, organized similarly: author's name
included, possibly date of posting.

Wasn't someone also collecting URLs posted to this list?  Or was that the
Fractal-Art list instead?

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)

Thanks to Jay for purposely piling up Paul's proxy postings.  :-)

What I did, to make his file a legal par, was to wrap comment { and }
around the text part of the pars.  Perhaps this could be incorporated into
the grand par/frm extraction project.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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[e-mail]
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Jay Hill wrote:

> Hi Kerry,
>
> I'm putting Paul Carlson's in a file which I update whenever he gives
> us a new formula.
> http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/CARLSON.PAR
> Ed Avis: how does this work for you? Put the URL on a separate line?
> BTW, I have about 10MB of archive of this list from which pars and frms
> could be extracted.
>
> Question again (I asked this a week ago). What do all you all
> think would be the right way to do this? One big frm and one
> big par for each of 1996, 1997. Then small ones this year?
> What should be included? Enough of the header and test to
> ID it and document the formula? Then there is the problem
> of cross referencing between them. frm will need a reference
> to the names of the sample pars. Anything else?
>
> Jay
>
> Another Carlson frm...
> 1007_36_0           { ; Copyright (c) Jay Hill, 1998
>   reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=rast.frm
>   formulaname=Astroid_Mset passes=t
>   center-mag=-1.7577010598495029/0.0174547251000015/7724.799
>   params=0.003/0.3/8/30
>   float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ
>   colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00z\
>   R<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000z88000000
>   savename=1006_36_0
>   }
>
> ----------
> > From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)
> > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:12 AM
> >
> > Is anyone archiving all the parameter and formula files that have been
> > posted to this list?  Are they available in one place (aside from removing
> > them from all the archived postings)?
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Kerry Mitchell
> > [e-mail]
> >
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>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:57:11 -0500
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) "a" (star field)

Just posted in alt.binaries.pictures.fractals is a .jpg image of a fractal
in a very nice astronomical setting. The image itself is well worth seeing,
IMO, titled eggsplosion, Karl Boehnker.

If Fractint is able to generate something something similar, would someone
kindly post how? I have seen two similar (only in a sense, one was a couple
of spirals in an astronomical setting) pieces before...(BTW, I have also
emailed Mr. Boehnker concerning this...)

After hitting "a", the _only_ thing I have ever been able to generate is a
star field and have never been able to do anything with it. Including when
starting off with a fractal before hitting "a"...
TIA
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:36:17 -0500
From: Dick Amerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Archiving pars/frms (was: Re: (fractint) Petals_Julia)

Kerry Mitchell wrote:

> Is anyone archiving all the parameter and formula files that have been
> posted to this list?  Are they available in one place (aside from removing
> them from all the archived postings)?

Beginning after the recent contest, I have been collecting most pars and frms that
have come through to my mailbox.  My save format is  something like this:

; Date
; From

; or Comment { ... } if there is a comment  or part of a comment I want to save

formulas or image parameters

But I change as I go - lately, I've just been making a  single comment out of date,
from, and any narrative I want to save.

Up to December 31, 1997, I saved them in Dec97.par and Dec97.frm.  All the pars
are  cleaned up and all draw.  For many of the images, I've modified the comment
lines in the parameter sets by adding the time it takes to draw on my equipment.
If there were formulas without pars to call them, I have only spotchecked.  Some of
the formulas, like the vector and dmj-pub formulas, I've saved in their own frm
files, again with spotchecking on how they run.

There's an exception to haveing all the par/frm sets!  Somewhere along the line, I
lost track of the formula, xmasseahorse.  Maybe somebody could repost that one to
me at my personal mailbox.

Now, I'm working on Jan98.par and Jan98.frm.

I have not taken the time to cross reference the example pars to the formulas
because the formula names appear in the pars and can be searched out with PFE32 or
by visual scanning in an editor.  This should not be much of a problem if I stay
with the month-sized files.

Dec97.par is about 58K and Dec97.frm is about 20K in size.

I don't have much experience in posting except as attachments, which I understand
some of you have difficulty with.  If anyone wants one or both of the above
collections, the vector frms or the djm-pub frms, let me know, tell me how you want
them posted to you, and I'll give it a try.  If the number of people wanting them
is small, it will probably be best for me to send such postings to your personal
mailboxes.

I'm not committing to anything for the future!  I have to travel in my work, and
may even eventually decide to withdraw from this list because of the volume of
traffic -- 60 to 80 messages in one 24-hour period is a bit much!  Sure have been
learning a lot, though and getting many good images and formulas.  So, I'll stick
with it as long as I can.

Dick Amerman


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