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From: [e-mail] (Stefan Hundhammer)
Subject: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 01 Aug 1998 08:24:35 +0200

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Hi!

I would like generate fractals for a TGA slide printer.
Is it possible to calculate and save images with FRACTINT?
And which release of FRACTINT suports it? Where can I
download the release.

Many thanks for Help!

Greetings from Munich ...

Stefan

... the Oktoberfest is coming soon :-))))

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Heightfields
Date: 01 Aug 1998 03:14:26 EDT

Sorry to bother the list with this but the subject has come up:) When i select
for a pot file to gain resolution for a pic to use as a heightfield in pov,
the resulting image loads in paint shop pro as an 8-bit image with two
separate sides; the fractal and what looks like brain coral next to it.  Can
someone advise me as to how to get Fractint to output a 16-bit .pot plasma
fractal image file?

Thank you very much for any help!

Renrad1
If it is a long reply please e-mail me since this subject seems to not come up
on the list often.

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Lost Formula
Date: 01 Aug 1998 06:26:31 -0700

I seem to have lost a formula - 051597-002mc

I don't know if it was uploaded or not, but if anyone has it and could
send it to me, I'd appreciate it!
Thanks,
Linda
http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/index.html (gallery3.html: last update
7/12/98)
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/abpf.html (abpf.html: last update
7/29/98)
http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (gallery3.html:
last update 7/10/98)

Copyright, all rights reserved:
http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/copyright.html


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Heightfields
Date: 01 Aug 1998 11:17:05 -0500

Renrad1,

 - When i select for a pot file to gain resolution for a pic to use as a
 - heightfield in pov, the resulting image loads in paint shop pro as an
 - 8-bit image with two separate sides; the fractal and what looks like
 - brain coral next to it.

Yep, that's because the .pot file is really a GIF file with the extra eight
bits of data "kludged" in as more image data off to the right side.

 - Can someone advise me as to how to get Fractint to output a 16-bit .pot
 - plasma fractal image file?

On the "z" options screen for plasma, change the last item to "1".  When
you save your image, it will be a 16-bit .pot file.

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From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) July Par Collection
Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:44:08 +0100

Hi everyone,

July's par collection, is now available from the usual spot:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/

For those who wanted the text of the messages included, there is an alternative
version at:
http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fractasi.htm

Also updated (at my CompuServe site) is the par collection for Jim Muth's FOTD.

cheers,

Les


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Heightfields
Date: 01 Aug 1998 23:35:31 EDT

Damien Jones wrote:
<On the "z" options screen for plasma, change the last item to "1".  When
you save your image, it will be a 16-bit .pot file.>

Thank You!

renrad1

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From: [e-mail] (Stefan Hundhammer)
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 09:01:13 +0200

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Hello Kragen!

> > I would like generate fractals for a TGA slide printer.
> > Is it possible to calculate and save images with FRACTINT?
> Yes, as .gifs.

Hmmm, but gifs are only 256 color images. I need images with65000 colors or
more for our magnum-posters.

> > And which release of FRACTINT suports it? Where can I
> > download the release.
> I think since 2.0 or 3.0 (in 1989 or 1990?) Fractint has had this feature.

Right, but the TGA-Output was canceled in the past. So what was thelast
version of FRACTINT with TGA-Output?

Stefan

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From: Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 09:59:27 -0400

Stefan, why don't you just save the file as a GIF from Fractint, then use=
 one of
the many available graphic softwares to convert the GIF to a TGA file?

Stefan Hundhammer wrote:

> Hello Kragen!
>
> > > I would like generate fractals for a TGA slide printer.
> > > Is it possible to calculate and save images with FRACTINT?
> > Yes, as .gifs.
>
> Hmmm, but gifs are only 256 color images. I need images with65000 color=
s or
> more for our magnum-posters.
>
> > > And which release of FRACTINT suports it? Where can I
> > > download the release.
> > I think since 2.0 or 3.0 (in 1989 or 1990?) Fractint has had this fea=
ture.
>
> Right, but the TGA-Output was canceled in the past. So what was thelast
> version of FRACTINT with TGA-Output?
>
> Stefan
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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Barry Bluestein wrote:
> Stefan, why don't you just save the file as a GIF from Fractint, then use
> one of the many available graphic softwares to convert the GIF to a TGA file?

Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors?

Kragen


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From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 16:25:07 +0100

Kragen wrote:

> Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors?

Yes, GIF is a standart limited to 256 colors. No more, no less.




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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote:
> Kragen wrote:
>
> > Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors?
>
> Yes, GIF is a standart limited to 256 colors. No more, no less.

Actually, it can be "less" -- there are 4-color .gifs, 16-color .gifs, etc.

But if the guy wants a 64kcolor picture, 'save as .gif and convert to
.tga' is not a reasonable answer!

Kragen


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 15:15:19 EDT

In a message dated 8/2/98 7:19:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Barry Bluestein wrote:
>  > Stefan, why don't you just save the file as a GIF from Fractint, then use
>  > one of the many available graphic softwares to convert the GIF to a TGA
> file?
>
>  Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors?

I'm de-lurking here. I use the latest PaintShop Pro, which allows increase of
colors and a lot of tweaking. You can then save it in any number of formats.

Damascena Korwen

Visit my Corridor of Chaos fractint art page at
http://members.aol.com/RoseIndigo/index.html

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Windows help
Date: 02 Aug 1998 13:13:03 -0700

I know this is off topic....but win95 just did it to me!!

All of a sudden I'm getting a funny font rather than the windows standard.  I've
tried all of the standard settings using Control Panel.

Any help in restoring the original font would be much appreciated since this one
is readable but very jagged when using Netscape.

Please reply off line to [e-mail]

Thanks

Angela

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Windows help
Date: 02 Aug 1998 13:13:03 -0700

I know this is off topic....but win95 just did it to me!!

All of a sudden I'm getting a funny font rather than the windows standard.  I've
tried all of the standard settings using Control Panel.

Any help in restoring the original font would be much appreciated since this one
is readable but very jagged when using Netscape.

Please reply off line to [e-mail]

Thanks

Angela

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:07:31 +0200

Damascena wrote:

:I'm de-lurking here. I use the latest PaintShop Pro, which allows increase of
:colors and a lot of tweaking. You can then save it in any number of formats.


This may well be, but this still doesn't provide one with the image
information that a 16bit fractint output image would. All effects achieved
with image manipulating programs like PSP are synthetical and don't give an
accurate representation of the fractal nature a 16bit fractint image would
have.

Christian




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 02 Aug 1998 20:51:02 EDT

In a message dated 8/2/98 4:52:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> This may well be, but this still doesn't provide one with the image
>  information that a 16bit fractint output image would.
Hi Christian! Okay, this is true; if what you are looking for is 16bit
fractint, we will all probably have to wait a while. I get swamped enough with
256 colors myself :) and use the other system *very* rarely for fractal images
-- being a bit of a purist.....

Dama

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 03 Aug 1998 10:15:37 -0500

I have a few thoughts on this.

If you want images with more than 256 colors, FractInt alone will not do it
(yet).  There are various things you can do, such as render a fractal
twice, but with slightly different parameters, then combine then in PSP.
This very much preserves the fractal nature of the image.  You can get part
of this by using PHC/PTC techniques in FractInt, although this restricts
the combination method to a 50-50 mix.  I've had more pleasing results by
using one image as hue and saturation, and another image as lightness.

There are also programs which will render in 24-bit color to begin with.  I
believe Terry Gintz's software will read FractInt PAR files, and if
possible render them smoothly in true color (but I have never used it
extensively, so I'm just going from memory here).  I think there are some
other programs (TrueMand?) that will do this sort of thing as well,
although I suspect neither support all the FractInt features.  And there
are programs like TieraZon (and all of Steve Ferguson's other programs) and
Ultra Fractal which will render in true color natively.

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From: Lavondyss <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Page Updates
Date: 03 Aug 1998 23:48:02 -0500

Ok,

I have finally been able to update my page. I've added a few 24-bit
fractals. Dunno if any checks, but here's the URL. If you do visit, please
be patient while the thumbnails are finished.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/Fractals.htm

Enjoy!
Lavondyss


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From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint on a non-DOS box?
Date: 04 Aug 1998 09:38:19 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)

Hello everyone,

I have 'acquired' a second PC (from the office waste
skip actually) and want to use it to learn Linux (red hat?).

1) Is the XFractint port ok under linux?
2) if it is, how does it compare to the DOS version (19.6
specifically)
3) if it runs, does it require Xwindow to run? (the box is a
rather elderly 486 and low on RAM and diskspace)

Please bear in mind that I am a complete linux-newbie!!
Assume I know nothing (believe me, that's true).

PLEASE REPLY TO ME DIRECT at
  [e-mail]
unless you think your comments may be of more general
interest.

Any thoughts and comments welcome,  Thanks in advance.

----------------------
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the force of habit..."  Terry Pratchett.


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From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 04 Aug 1998 12:56:21 +0100





Kragen wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote:
> > Kragen wrote:
> >
> > > Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors?
> >
> > Yes, GIF is a standart limited to 256 colors. No more, no less.
>
> Actually, it can be "less" -- there are 4-color .gifs, 16-color .gifs, etc.
>
> But if the guy wants a 64kcolor picture, 'save as .gif and convert to
> .tga' is not a reasonable answer!
>
> Kragen

Ok, you're right. There are 16- and 4-color GIFs - my fault.
Of course it is not the correct way to 'save as .gif and convert to .tga'.
In fact you can increase the number of colors. Then you have 256 different
colors in a 64k-palette. Or even in a 16777216-color-palette. So the only
way to get a 'real' highcolor-pic is to "combine" two fractals with slightly
different parameters.

Markus



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From: David Burnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) A plea for help with an Internet Survey (completely off topic)
Date: 05 Aug 1998 07:24:51 +1000

Hi Everyone,

I am passing on this letter from a friend who is trying to finish her Masters -
on the social effects & implications of the 'net. It would be really good if you
could fill out her survey. Please pass it on to everyone you can as she needs a
wide spectrum of people / nationalities etc to make the research meaningfull
regards
David


Hello friend(s),
I am short the required numbers for my university research and would eagerly ask
if you could help me out by giving your opinion & passing on this message. The
online survey is anonymous and only takes 15 minutes to complete. Go to this web
address: http://von.com.au/research/ to fill out the form and press the submit
button when you have finished. Then pass on this message to everyone you know
could help out.
*************************************************************
HOW HAS THE INTERNET CHANGED YOUR LIFE?
*************************************************************
***If you were thinking of doing the survey NOW IS THE TIME. It only takes 15
minutes.
***If you have already done the survey - thank you (please pass this message on
to others)
***If you are having difficulties please contact me - [e-mail]
***If you have more friends or relatives anywhere in the world who use the
internet
PLEASE PASS ON THIS MESSAGE. (press the forward button and cc: everyone you know
would possibly help out)

yours sincerely,
Wilhelmina von Buellen
[e-mail]


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From: "Jon Camp" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 05 Aug 1998 00:07:47 -0700

But what if you increase the palate size to 24bit and then resize the
fractal? That gives an enormous increase in colors. Would simply
anti-aliasing provide you with the neccesaty colors?
Just a thought...

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From: abraxas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !!
Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:20:16 -0400

Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram.
Everytime I
use the save function, my screen turns neon with an abstract of my
desktop and that
is what gets saved. NOT my Fractal. Anybody have any ideas ?? Thanks in
advance.


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From: Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !!
Date: 06 Aug 1998 01:07:52 -0400

abraxas wrote:

> Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram.
> Everytime I
> use the save function, my screen turns neon with an abstract of my
> desktop and that
> is what gets saved. NOT my Fractal. Anybody have any ideas ?? Thanks in
> advance.
>

When posting tech support questions such as this, at a bare minimum, you
need to provide your operating system information (In Win 95/98/NT look in
Control Panel>System. Be sure to give the complete version number), and
video card model (again, give exact version number).

Are you running Fractint in a window, full-screen or in DOS mode? Are you
in true DOS or just using the command prompt? (The last is obvious, but I
ask for completeness sake)

--
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From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Savetime minus has downside
Date: 06 Aug 1998 10:03:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)

Recently there was a brief discussion of using the SAVETIME
parameter with a minus time, to abort a batch mode plot
after a set time.

I tried this, using savetime=-10, but found that I could no
longer exit the batch. I use ParToBat, which reads
for the 'errorlevel 2' sent by Fractint on premature exit.
If I tried to quit a plot I was passed to the next plot in
the batch, not the abort part of the batch file. It appears
that the minus version of the parameter upsets the
errorlevel in some way. Anybody else found this?

Could this be why it is undocumented?
----------------------
Nigel H. J. Long
[e-mail]


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From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Selecting thingys
Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:00:29 +0200

Almost two weeks ago I returned from a holiday in Ireland, and started
digesting the archive files of this mailinglist at xmission.com to catch up.
Speaking of Ireland, I noticed that those acient Irish Celts had a very
popular symbol called the tri-spiral which has a striking resamblance with a
fractal of type Julzpower with p1=3... or was it just the Guiness playing
tricks on me...?? Well, maybe it was just the Irish breakfast

In the archivefile of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 there was a message from Wizzle, in
which she asks:

>
>How do you all select which rendering method (that x thingy) you
>use for a particular image?  Some of Jacco's images were obviously
>done with that .  But why pick that rather than g
>(my fav), single pass.....etc??????
>
>I really need a crash course prior to the contest!~!!!!!!!
>

Though I am not sure what Wizzle means by 'Testxxxxx method' or 'x thingy',
I will try to give an answer to that. ('X thingy' would make a nice name for
a fractal, b.t.w.... ).

I assume that she was referring to the effect produced by the combination of
passes=b and fillcolor=nnn (where nnn is any number from 0 to 255). Maybe
that is already part of the answer, the 'secret' is in this combination.

Passes=g or passes=b doesn't make much difference, except when fillcolor is
set to a number (it is also on the x-screen, default: fillcolor=normal).
Where passes=g produces solid colored bands, passes=b with fillcolor=nnn
produces thin lines that indicate the boundaries of the bands. The effect
reminds me of spiderwebs
 http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco035.jpg ), spaghetti
 http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco010.jpg ) or seaweed
 http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco054.jpg ), depending on the
colors used.

I got this idea from a image by Bradley Beacham which is stored in the
parfile Fract19.par that comes with Fractint. The entry is called 'Zorro'.
(press '2', press F6, choose Fract19.par, scroll all the way down, and
choose 'Zorro')

When applying this combination I advise to set fillcolor=255, or any other
number of a color that is not or not much used. Also note that inside=0
gives errors. Go to the x-screen and use any other inside-color number, or
one of the inside-color options (bof60, zmag, etc). If you use fractaltype
Mandel or Julia I can also recommend to add outside=real, imag or summ (also
x-screen). It can give a nice effect.

Anyway, like all other combination of options in Fractint, it is just a
matter of trying and see what you get. After some time you will get an idea
of how it works.

Wizzle, I hope this is the answer to your question. I sure would like to see
an image of you on the Fractint 98 contest with this combination! I also
would like to take the liberty of suggesting a title: 'Wizzle's X-thingy'...
:-)

Bye!
Jacco
e-mail [e-mail]
visit my fractal gallery at http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm



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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) PARS
Date: 07 Aug 1998 00:46:41 -0700

Hi.  Some of these use the "x-thingy".  Not
for the purists.


cons1    {;Julia constellation viewed from conservatory
                ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2
  center-mag=-6.855e-006/9.985e-006/0.68468
params=0.01/1 maxiter=2000
  inside=bof60
  colors=KKH0oT0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0\
zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8\
  >px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zW\
z<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>\
  zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<12>0rS
  }

cons2              { ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2
  center-mag=1.225e-006/1.3945e-005/0.3149532
params=0.01/1
  maxiter=2000 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=KKHWWz<7>0J9<12>0rS0oT\
0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJ\
  F<15>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIB\
BM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<\
  15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>99J<14>UUx
  }

cons3              { ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2 passes=b
  center-mag=1.225e-006/1.3945e-005/0.3149532 params=0.01/1
  maxiter=2000 fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=KKH0oT0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx\
0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8\
  >px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zW\
z<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>\
  zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<12>0rS
  }

cons4              { ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia1 passes=g3
  center-mag=-0.609971/1.17536/2.380952 params=0.11/1 maxiter=2000
  fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=0000P0<2>0W0<4>880<10>WW\
0<3>KD7LAA<9>zWW<4>HH8<10>zzW<4>H80<10>zW\
  0<4>H08<10>z0W<4>H8D<10>zWk<4>H8H<10>z\
Wz<4>H0H<10>z0z<4>08H<10>0Wz<4>88H\
  <10>WWz<4>00H<10>00z<4>088<10>0WW<4>0H\
H<10>0zz<4>0H8<10>0zW<4>0H0<10>0z0\
  <4>080<6>0N0
  }

cons0              { ; kathy roth 1998
                       reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia1 passes=b
  center-mag=-0.609971/1.17536/2.380952 params=0.11/1 maxiter=2000
  fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=I8FGDJ<5>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F0\
0<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\
  0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05\
A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\
  0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8\
F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0AD6E
  }


frm:AbsArcTangentia1 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm
    ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry
  z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z):  ; Just like julia
  z = z + p1
  z = Sqr(z)
  imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z)))     ; Different escape boundry
  ;SOURCE: phong2.frm
}


frm:AbsArcTangentia2 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm
                     ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry

  z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z):  ; Just like julia
  z = z + p1
  z = Sqr(z)
  imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z))+4)     ; Different escape boundry
  ;SOURCE: phong2.frm
}


frm:AbsArcTangentia3 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm
                     ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry

  z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z):  ; Just like julia
  z = z + p1
  z = Sqr(z)
  imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z)))+4     ; Different escape boundry
  ;SOURCE: phong2.frm
}







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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Selecting thingys
Date: 07 Aug 1998 03:46:28 -0500

Jacco Burger wrote:
>
> I assume that she was referring to the effect produced by the
> combination of passes=b and fillcolor=nnn (where nnn is any
> number from 0 to 255).
>  .......... ( snipped ) ...........
> produces thin lines that indicate the boundaries of the bands.
> The effect reminds me of spiderwebs
>

Another example of this is one from "Oooo":

Spiral59        { ; time=  0:00:47.02 on a P-200 at 1024x768
                  ; using FractInt 1960.0
                  ; mailto:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=fn(z)+fn(pix) function=sin/exp passes=b
  center-mag=-1.8129/2.17197/13.33019
  params=0.008999999999999999/-0.2/1.0211/0.512 float=y bailout=2
  bailoutest=and fillcolor=142 inside=bof60 decomp=120
  colors=000los<15>OI5<15>xn_<15>OI5<15>nru<15>000200501000<24>\
  526626626627637737<2>738808<46>N9aN9aN9`<19>H9LH9KG8JF8I<14>\
  A6BA6BA6BA6B96A<33>334<11>hko
  }

The completed image may be found at:
    http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/images/o/SPIRALS/SPIRAL59.GIF

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !!
Date: 07 Aug 1998 03:54:26 -0500

abraxas wrote:
>
> Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram.
> Everytime I use the save function, my screen turns neon with an
> abstract of my desktop and that is what gets saved.  NOT my Fractal.
> Anybody have any ideas ??  Thanks in advance.
>

Besides specifying the information that Barry suggestted, have you
created your own SSTOOLS.INI file yet??  If so, what values are set in
it??

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) rendering method
Date: 07 Aug 1998 05:14:29 -0500

In the archivefile of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 there was a message from Wizzle,
in
which she asks:

>
>How do you all select which rendering method (that x thingy) you
>use for a particular image?  Some of Jacco's images were obviously
>done with that .  But why pick that rather than g
>(my fav), single pass.....etc??????

I remember asking a question like that to myself. I pick options at
random and see what happens. I couldn't tell a difference in time
between guessing or boundary or "divide and conquer" rendering. I like
the quick results of guessing to see if I really botched a zoom or if
the next attempt looks way too much like the last. I wasn't keeping a
stop watch on it. Rendering method is the first option on the x screen.
I am curious as to what advantages might be in the others except to
provide drama.

--
Juice --have fun --harm none
Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish.

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From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output
Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:53:46 +0100

Jon Camp wrote:

> But what if you increase the palate size to 24bit and then resize the
> fractal? That gives an enormous increase in colors. Would simply
> anti-aliasing provide you with the neccesaty colors?
> Just a thought...

I know what you mean. Anti-aliasing is in fact a method to increase the
different colors.
But try it out :
 - Create a 16-color-fractal
 - Increase to 24bit-colors
 - Resize, Blur, everything you want.
 - Decrase to 256 colors.

This picture will >>NEVER<< look like the same fractal created with 256
colors.
I think it's exactly the same with 64k-pictures.


Markus




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From: Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 05:25:54 -0500

Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
stuff that is very mine.

Juice --have fun --harm none
Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish.

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From: Jane Croucher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:09:34 +0000

Hi!

Let me start off by saying I know practically nothing about fractals,
although I am dying to learn. The reason for my enthusiasm is that I am
a Research Assistant at the Science Museum in London, England, working
within a group that are developing a new gallery called "Pattern Place",
which is aimed at 3-6 year olds (and their parents!). My interest is to
look at patterns within fractals, and how these can be interpreted in a
basic, but scientific way. I also want to get hold of some high quality
images, both 3D and 2D.  We need to show fractals in everyday life, and
the idea that we have at the moment for an exhibit is the "fractal
cauliflower": a large 3D cauliflower puzzle, where visitors can join up
the florets to make the cauliflower, to show that cauliflowers are
fractal, that is, its component parts are the same shape as the overall
shape, but on a different scale.

I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a
fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where
to get good fractal pictures.

I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a
reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks!

Many thanks for your help in advance!

Jane Croucher.


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From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400

You can see many fractal pictures of ordinary life in the book _Fractals,
the Patterns of Chaos_.
This is by John Briggs, and is widely available.  It is geared toward the
public, rather than strictly to the fractal enthusiast, and has examples
that are easy to relate to.

Good luck<S>

Marie


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jane Croucher
>>>
I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a
fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where
to get good fractal pictures.

I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a
reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks!

Many thanks for your help in advance!

Jane Croucher.


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From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400

You can see many fractal pictures of ordinary life in the book _Fractals,
the Patterns of Chaos_.
This is by John Briggs, and is widely available.  It is geared toward the
public, rather than strictly to the fractal enthusiast, and has examples
that are easy to relate to.

Good luck<S>

Marie


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jane Croucher
>>>
I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a
fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where
to get good fractal pictures.

I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a
reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks!

Many thanks for your help in advance!

Jane Croucher.


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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Savetime minus has downside
Date: 07 Aug 1998 16:50:25 +0200


I checked again.  No such problem here.  I have to press Esc twice - the
first time it stops calculating and starts saving - the second time it
aborts and the partobat batchfile aborts too.  If you only press Esc
once you'll get the behaviour you describe.

Joe


>Recently there was a brief discussion of using the SAVETIME
>parameter with a minus time, to abort a batch mode plot
>after a set time.
>
>I tried this, using savetime=-10, but found that I could no
>longer exit the batch. I use ParToBat, which reads
>for the 'errorlevel 2' sent by Fractint on premature exit.
>If I tried to quit a plot I was passed to the next plot in
>the batch, not the abort part of the batch file. It appears
>that the minus version of the parameter upsets the
>errorlevel in some way. Anybody else found this?
>
>Could this be why it is undocumented?
>----------------------
>Nigel H. J. Long
>[e-mail]
>

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:01:21 -0700

This raises the whole issue of copyright, again!  In fact, that precise
question has been asked before.

I have a lengthy file of messages posted to this list, and to the
fractal-arts list, dealing with copyright issues.  You can download a
copy from:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip

In a nutshell, I would be very cautious in this area.  The issue is a
little muddy, but at best, you may make another fractal artist mad.  At
worst, it could be a copyright infringement.

WARNING TO ALL NEW COMERS TO THE LIST!  The issue of copyright has been
done to death on the list.  If you are new to the list, and want to see
a copy of past discussion, you can download it from the above URL.
Please don't start a new thread dealing with copyright issues until you
have read that entire 373K file!  There is nothing new under the sun,
and some, if not all, of the old-timers on this list, have grown tired
of the ongoing debate.

Thanks for understanding!
Linda



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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...
Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:28:21 -0700

Ferns are a good example.

Lind


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:05:01 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> This raises the whole issue of copyright, again!  In fact, that precise
> question has been asked before.

Well, I think the concern here is not that authors will be deprived of
money they would otherwise earn, which is what copyright is all about,
but that authors will be deprived of the credit that is rightfully
theirs for creating kick-butt images.  This is known as "moral
rights".

I think it's not about money because I think most of the authors here
don't earn money by selling fractals.

> At worst, it could be a copyright infringement.

Worse, it could be plagiarism.

Kragen


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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:11:03 -0700

Kragen:

Sounds like you haven't read the document of our ongoing debate.  The
issue of "Compensation," which is not always monetary, was also
discussed.

I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached
to Kragen's copy, only).

Linda

PS To the list:  Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to
that person, as well  :-))

-----Original Message-----


>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>> This raises the whole issue of copyright, again!  In fact, that
precise
>> question has been asked before.
>
>Well, I think the concern here is not that authors will be deprived of
>money they would otherwise earn, which is what copyright is all about,
>but that authors will be deprived of the credit that is rightfully
>theirs for creating kick-butt images.  This is known as "moral
>rights".
>
>I think it's not about money because I think most of the authors here
>don't earn money by selling fractals.
>
>> At worst, it could be a copyright infringement.
>
>Worse, it could be plagiarism.
>
>Kragen



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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> I have a lengthy file of messages posted to this list, and to the
> fractal-arts list, dealing with copyright issues.  You can download a
> copy from:
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip

Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format (perhaps one
of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word format?).  If you want
people to read it, put it in a universally readable format.

Kragen


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From: Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Maybe my mail will be more successfull now: Permedia2 (2)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38 +0200

I guess sending gifs is not a good idea?!

tjauwkes,

:c)






Hi, this is my first message.

Has anyone out there got any idea how I can get my Permedia2 working
with the fractint 19.6 version? The highest resolution I can get is
640X480!
I'm not "technical" enough to start experimenting with different
settings when I'm not entirely sure what way to go.

Thanks for any help in this matter.
 here some gifs I made "on the fly".

:c)






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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:34:18 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached
> to Kragen's copy, only).
>
> PS To the list:  Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to
> that person, as well  :-))

Shutting people up by mailing them an uninvited half-megabyte file is
known as "mailbombing" where I come from.  It's against Netcom's
acceptable-use policy and will get your account suspended, then
terminated, if you continue to do it.

Please do not threaten to mailbomb people.

Kragen (who is lucky enough to be relatively immune to mailbomb damage)


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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0700

Ok, Kragen.  Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of
an email?

Yes will get one sent.

No will indicate your true intent is not information but argumentation.

Linda
-----Original Message-----


>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>> I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference
(attached
>> to Kragen's copy, only).
>>
>> PS To the list:  Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy
to
>> that person, as well  :-))
>
>Shutting people up by mailing them an uninvited half-megabyte file is
>known as "mailbombing" where I come from.  It's against Netcom's
>acceptable-use policy and will get your account suspended, then
>terminated, if you continue to do it.
>
>Please do not threaten to mailbomb people.
>
>Kragen (who is lucky enough to be relatively immune to mailbomb damage)
>
>
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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:39:51 -0700

>Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
>copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format (perhaps one
>of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word format?).  If you want
>people to read it, put it in a universally readable format.


Jay?  This one is for you to answer.
Linda


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:14:07 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> Ok, Kragen.  Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of
> an email?

I've already got one.

Kragen


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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 07 Aug 1998 11:21:59 -0700

>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>> Ok, Kragen.  Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body
of
>> an email?
>
>I've already got one.


I hope it is readable.  Where did you finally get it?  I ask because I
don't want the same problems to occur again with someone else.

Linda


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:44:19 -0500

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Linda Allison wrote:
> >
> > copy from:
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
>
> Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
> copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format
> (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word
> format?).  If you want people to read it, put it in a
> universally readable format.
>

That would seem to be most logical.  And besides, the file size could
almost be cut in half by saving it as a DOS-formatted text file.

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:04:19 -0700

Hi, Paul!

Have you read the file?  It was saved in Wordpad.  As I told Kragen in a
private email, if it is opened through Notepad or Wordpad, you shouldn't
have any problem reading it.  The original file was then zipped by Jay
to make it even smaller.

Linda

-----Original Message-----


>Kragen wrote:
>>
>> On Linda Allison wrote:
>> >
>> > copy from:
>> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
>>
>> Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
>> copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format
>> (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word
>> format?).  If you want people to read it, put it in a
>> universally readable format.
>>
>
>That would seem to be most logical.  And besides, the file size could
>almost be cut in half by saving it as a DOS-formatted text file.
>
>P.N.L.
>-------------------------------------------------
>     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
>       Because we're almost always right.
>-------------------------------------------------
>http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go
>
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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:24:19 -0700

Hi, again, Paul!

I may have to retract one statement.  I don't remember if I zipped the
copyright file before sending it to Jay, or whether he zipped it when he
received it.  In either circumstance, please let me know if you can't
read it as an ASCII text file.  I can, but Kragen says he can't.  If
there is a coding problem, we should replace the file on Jay's page with
a corrected version to avoid these problems in the future.  Our whole
purpose is to avoid constantly revisiting copyright issues, but if
newcomers can't access the file, our purpose is not being served!

Linda




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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:37:48 -0500

Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>
> Have you read the file?  It was saved in Wordpad.
> As I told Kragen in a private email, if it is opened
> through Notepad or Wordpad, you shouldn't have any
> problem reading it.  The original file was then zipped
> by Jay to make it even smaller.
>

Greetings Linda,

I have downloaded a copy from the suggestted URL and have read it.  It
does help those that wish to know the answer to that same old tired
question.  Thanks for putting it all together.

I know this thread really shouldn't be continued, but....

The COPYRIGHT.ZIP file is 81.5-KB (83,475 bytes) and contains one file.
When extracted, the COPYRIGHT_DISCUSSION.DOC file becomes 341-KB
(349,184 bytes), which is way to big for Notepad.  So, this document
must be opended with something like Wordpad or MS-Word.

When saving a file using Wordpad, the default is for the Word for
Windows 6.0 format.  You must therefore choose one of the other three
formats available:
    Rich Text Format (RTF)
    Text Document
    Text Document - MS-DOS Format
The latter being the most widely readable by the world.

If it had been saved in a Text Document format, then the file size would
have been somewhere around 176-KB (180,4343 bytes).  This would have
then zipped down to a size of around 57.5-KB (58,921 bytes).

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:36:21 -0700

Linda wrote:


>> The file is written in ASCII text.  It's too large for Notepad, so
saved
>> with the extension .doc for Wordpad.  If you go through Notepad or
>> Wordpad, you should have no problem reading it.


Kragen wrote:

>The file is not written in ASCII text; if you open it with Notepad, you
>will see this.


I did.  It opens fine on my system.


Kragen further wrote:

>I will not install Notepad or Wordpad on my system, because I will not
>install Microsoft Windows on my system, and I *certainly* won't install
>Microsoft Windows on the machine where I read my mail, because it's a
Sun.


You must have some kind of ASCII text reader.  Try opening it through
that reader.  And like I said before, I will be glad to send it as the
body of an email, to avoid any problems that arise as a result of file
attachments.

Linda



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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:43:51 -0700 (PDT)

>
> Hi, again, Paul!
>
> I may have to retract one statement.  I don't remember if I zipped the
> copyright file before sending it to Jay, or whether he zipped it when he
> received it.  In either circumstance, please let me know if you can't
> read it as an ASCII text file.  I can, but Kragen says he can't.  If
> there is a coding problem, we should replace the file on Jay's page with
> a corrected version to avoid these problems in the future.  Our whole
> purpose is to avoid constantly revisiting copyright issues, but if
> newcomers can't access the file, our purpose is not being served!

I downloaded the copyright.zip file from the URL given earlier in this
discussion.  It is readable in Word or WordPad (I had no problems).  I
was researching questions that I had been pondering about the copyright
issue before joining this list today.  I found that most all the general
questions that I had were addressed in that collection of messages.  Any
that aren't can be addressed with individuals if I have the need.

Just exercise some common sense, do some research, be respectful of the
the efforts of others, and most problems can be avoided.  In my limited
time exploring fractals and Fractint recently, I've found the more
experienced people to be very helpful in terms of the information they
disseminate on their web pages, email discussions, and in private email.


Ken...





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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:09:26 -0700

Hi, Paul!

>The COPYRIGHT.ZIP file is 81.5-KB (83,475 bytes) and contains one file.
>When extracted, the COPYRIGHT_DISCUSSION.DOC file becomes 341-KB
>(349,184 bytes), which is way to big for Notepad.  So, this document
>must be opended with something like Wordpad or MS-Word.
>
>When saving a file using Wordpad, the default is for the Word for
>Windows 6.0 format.  You must therefore choose one of the other three
>formats available:
>    Rich Text Format (RTF)
>    Text Document
>    Text Document - MS-DOS Format
>The latter being the most widely readable by the world.
>
>If it had been saved in a Text Document format, then the file size
would
>have been somewhere around 176-KB (180,4343 bytes).  This would have
>then zipped down to a size of around 57.5-KB (58,921 bytes).


Thanks, Paul for all the help.  I've resaved it as a text file, and will
find out if Jay wants me to send him the new condensed version, or
whether he wants to make the revisions himself.  Either way, a
replacement for the file that he currently makes available through his
web page will result!

Thanks!
Linda



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From: Tim Gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:41:15 -0700

>Thanks, Paul for all the help.  I've resaved it as a text file, and will
>find out if Jay wants me to send him the new condensed version, or
>whether he wants to make the revisions himself.  Either way, a
>replacement for the file that he currently makes available through his
>web page will result!
>
>Thanks!
>Linda

$0.02 -

It'd be really neat if most fractint-related docs could move away from
using word-processor specific file formats.  I'm porting fractint to the
Mac, and although I can decode pretty much any file in the world,
unix-based life forms don't have much in the way of MS Word conversion.

In terms of platform independence, I like all the file formats that are
free (RTF, ASCII [filtering mutant MS-DOS ASCII isn't tough], HTML, etc),
especially since Fractint is itself free.

-= tim
      - mixing Apples with oranges.

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Page Updates
Date: 07 Aug 1998 17:46:35 -0500

Lavondyss wrote:
>
> I have finally been able to update my page.  I've added a few 24-bit
> fractals.  Dunno if any checks, but here's the URL.  If you do visit,
> please be patient while the thumbnails are finished.
>
> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/Fractals.htm
>

You've got some really nice images at your site!!

But maybe 68 fractal thumbnails on one web page may be a little too
much.  It took about 10 minutes to download the whole page with a 33.6
modem connection.

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 02:12:27 +0200

Tim Gilman wrote:

:It'd be really neat if most fractint-related docs could move away from
:using word-processor specific file formats.  I'm porting fractint to the
:Mac, and although I can decode pretty much any file in the world,
:unix-based life forms don't have much in the way of MS Word conversion.
:
:In terms of platform independence, I like all the file formats that are
:free (RTF, ASCII [filtering mutant MS-DOS ASCII isn't tough], HTML, etc),
:especially since Fractint is itself free.


IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text. Fractint is
still a DOS program (well, the main version :) ) and therefore it may only be
assumed that users are able to use DOS. Of course other formats may be used
except the plain dos text, but dos text is required.

Christian






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From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:21:18 +0100

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:

> IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text.

Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call it plain
DOS text.
They have not invented everything about a computer. They have never invented
anything.

John C. A. Misterio'

PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats :
 Write
 Wordpad
 Microsoft Word 2.0
 Microsoft Word 6.0
 Microsoft Word 6.2
 Microsoft Word 95/96/97/98/99/2000/2001/.... and so on

Incompatible to each other.



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From: JoWeber <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) update my site and pars
Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:14:48 -0400

Hi to all,
some zooms into Carr2884.
For the complete set of pars visit the download site of my homepage
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber
Cheers --Jo--

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                     ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200  Jul 04, 1998  10:58:43
                     ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber
                     ; e-mail to [e-mail]
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  <14>l`xmcylbx<20>BAX
  }

frm:Carr2884 {; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996
          ; passes=3D1 needs to be used with this PHC formula.
          ; Rewritten for if..else by Sylvie Gallet 5/22/98
  if (whitesq)
    c =3D 0.15/log(exp(pixel^7 + |sin(pixel^3.5)| - 0.4) - 0.8)
    c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + c/10 - 1/(c*6000)
    z =3D zorig =3D (pixel - conj(0.1/pixel) - flip(0.01/pixel))^7
  else
    c =3D - 0.15/log(exp(pixel^7 + |sin(pixel^3.5)| - 0.4) - 0.8)
    c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + c/10 - 1/(c*6000)
    z =3D zorig =3D - (pixel - conj(0.1/pixel) - flip(0.01/pixel))^7
  endif
  bailout =3D 16 , iter =3D 0 :
  IF (iter =3D=3D p1)
    z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.15*zorig - 1/(zorig*9000)
  ELSEIF (iter =3D=3D imag(p1))
    z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.225*zorig - 1/(zorig*13500)
  ELSEIF (iter =3D=3D p2)
    z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.3375*zorig - 1/(zorig*20250)
  ELSEIF (iter =3D=3D imag(p2))
    z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.50625*zorig - 1/(zorig*30375)
  else
    z =3D z*z + c
  ENDIF
  iter =3D iter + 1
  |z| <=3D bailout
}

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 12:08:08 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote:
> Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
> > IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text.
>
> Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call
> it plain DOS text.

There are several variants of "plain text".  Unix "plain text" has
every line (including the last one in the file, usually) terminated
with an LF character.  MacOS "plain text" has every line terminated
with a CR character.  MS-DOS "plain text" has every line (except for
the last one in the file) terminated with a CR followed by an LF.

> PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats :
>  Write
>  Wordpad

Write is Wordpad, and I think they speak the same format as some
version of Word.

>  Microsoft Word 2.0
>  Microsoft Word 6.0
>  Microsoft Word 6.2
>  Microsoft Word 95/96/97/98/99/2000/2001/.... and so on

Word 95 and Word 97 have different formats.  I think Word 98 has yet
another format.  Furthermore, Word has a "normal" format and a
"fast-save" format, which are different.  I believe this goes back to
Word 95, but it might go back further.  Anyway, that's seven to nine
formats right there.

And I think Word for DOS had its own formats.

Kragen


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 20:59:22 +0200

:PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats :
: Write


Write doesn't use .doc, but .wri !

: Wordpad


Wordpad format is Word 6.0 format.

: Microsoft Word 2.0
: Microsoft Word 6.0
: Microsoft Word 6.2


Huh? 6.2?

: Microsoft Word 95/96/97/98/99/2000/2001/.... and so on


a. Word 95 uses word 6.0 format.
b. Word 97 differs a lot from word95.
c. I have heard that there will be no new word .doc format after word98 (don't
know if word98 uses a different format though).
d. Then of course there is also Word for DOS and Word for Macintosh.

Christian











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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:01:31 +0200

Kragen wrote:

:> PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats :
:>  Write
:>  Wordpad
:
:Write is Wordpad, and I think they speak the same format as some
:version of Word.



You are wrong here. Write *isn't* wordpad, but more important the programs use
different formats.

:And I think Word for DOS had its own formats.


And so had the Macintosh.

Christian





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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 20:59:21 +0200

John C. A. Misterio' wrote:

:Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
:
:> IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text.
:
:Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call it
plain
:DOS text.
:They have not invented everything about a computer. They have never invented
:anything.

By 'DOS text' I mean text where the end of a line is indicated by <CR><LF>.
Besides the 'DOS' formatting there is the UNIX text format, where line endings
are indicated by a single <LF>. And I beliefe the Mac uses <CR>.

Christian






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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 15:21:04 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
> Kragen wrote:
> :> PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats :
> :>  Write
> :>  Wordpad
> :
> :Write is Wordpad, and I think they speak the same format as some
> :version of Word.
>
> You are wrong here. Write *isn't* wordpad, but more important the programs use
> different formats.

On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts
WordPad.

(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.)

Kragen


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From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 15:47:18 -0400

How about taking this off the Fractint list?  You can continue this in
email.

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Dean-Christian Strik
Sent:    Saturday, August 08, 1998 2:59 PM

John C. A. Misterio' wrote:

:Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
:
:> IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text.
:
:Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call it
plain
:DOS text.
:They have not invented everything about a computer. They have never
invented
:anything.

By 'DOS text' I mean text where the end of a line is indicated by <CR><LF>.
Besides the 'DOS' formatting there is the UNIX text format, where line
endings
are indicated by a single <LF>. And I beliefe the Mac uses <CR>.

Christian






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From: "mctupper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Orphaned Brots PAR
Date: 08 Aug 1998 14:32:44 -0600

Well my summer job is finally over and I don't leave for my vacation unti=
l
next week, so I spent the day looking for orphaned Brots. I was inspired =
by
the FOTD's of the last week to do some hunting of my own. This little one=
 I
call "Brot in a hot place".  The poor little thing is all alone and
surrounded by fire. I hope you feel as sorry for the little guy as I do.

On another note, it seems this list is real quite. I only hope it because
everybody is busy with the contest. I know that is my excuse. :)
=A0=A0
++++++++++++++++++++ PAR +++++++++++++++++++

Ring of Fire       { ; A lone Brot in a hot place
                     ; Aug 08, 1998 (c) Mary Tupper
                     ; 0:00:22.58 generation time
                     ; on a Pentium 120
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfotdv2.frm
  formulaname=3DMandelbrotMix6
  center-mag=3D-11.31637708429868000/-20.49647224662905000/1.703277e+010/=
1.0\
  721 params=3D200/5/-0.05/-10/0/0 float=3Dy inside=3D255
  colors=3DwF092E000<15>000<7>U00<7>000<15>000<4>X8s_9ubBx<2>jFz<12>J4TG3=
QF2\
  M<10>sB0<3>vN0wQ0wS0wU0<3>yb0ze0ze0<4>zz0<14>sB0sB0rB0<15>c00b00c10<5>o=
8\
  0qA0qA0<5>wF0wF0vE0<5>qA0p90n80<5>e20c00d10<12>qA0rB0rD0<5>uR0uT0vW0vZ0=
<\
  4>yp0zt0zw0zz0<5>zf0yb0y`0<8>tE0sB0pB2<9>F2MG3Q<13>jGz<2>cDwaBv_AuX8sP6=
e\
  H4S
  }=A0

MandelbrotMix6 {; Jim Muth
a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f,
h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1,
l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dpixel*k:
z=3D(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c,
|z| <=3D l
}

Xylen
I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality.


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 08 Aug 1998 23:15:26 +0200

:On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts
:WordPad.
:
:(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.)


Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad. Although it's
curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command 'wordpad' work? If not,
maybe 'write' is an explorer alias.

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Orphaned Brots PAR
Date: 08 Aug 1998 23:17:20 +0200

Xylen wrote:

>I live in another Dimension.

I hope there's fractals out there :-)

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list Rev.10 -- well, more like 9.01 :)
Date: 09 Aug 1998 01:06:41 +0200

FRACTINT MAILING LIST ICQ NUMBER LIST REV.10

This list can be found online at http://come.to/fractinticq

--Haven't updated it much - haven't had time yet.

A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list.
I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of
ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com,
where you can download the software. After having installed the software,
follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number.

Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can
be found at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214

This list was last updated Tuesday July 15th, 17:19 GMT+1 (CET).
Many thanx go to Paul N. Lee for tracking a lot of names.

Abramovich, Egor     14441176   Egor                 [e-mail]
Allison, Linda       12189253   Gumbycat             [e-mail]
Baker, Art             265357   Art                  [e-mail]
Baker, Art            1531090   Ojai                 [e-mail]
Baker, Art            2751573                        [e-mail]
Baker, Art            2751922   Art                  [e-mail]
Baker, Art           10540501   Arturo               [e-mail]
Bell, Michael        11379737 * Mike                 [e-mail]
Best, Anthony         4259982   Nizzt                [e-mail]
Bornemeier, Phil      5550414   Phil                 [e-mail]
Burger, Jacco         5848993   Jacco                [e-mail]
Burnett, David        3283800   db                   [e-mail]
Burnett, David       11070869   db                   [e-mail]
Bushta, Greg           507219   Japan                [e-mail]
Calpini, Aldo         3093078   dada                 [e-mail]
Calpini, Francesco     187351   ManniX               [e-mail]
Camp, Jonathan        3475340 * descartes            [e-mail]
Castells, Jaime       1406374   Jaime                [e-mail]
Costa, Luis Ricardo   4111347 * Spielberg            [e-mail]
Courteau, ╔ric         279964   eric                 [e-mail]
Courteau, ╔ric        2594758   doudou               [e-mail]
Davidson, Neil        2924358                        [e-mail]
Derbyshire, Paul     10423848 * Kydaimon             [e-mail]
Drozdis, Marie       13510833   Marie
[e-mail]
Duhan, Andrew        10363110 M Felix                [e-mail]
Dukay, Alex           8515817                        [e-mail]
Ellis, David          5842959   Burmese              [e-mail]
Ellis, David         10983699   Burmese              [e-mail]
Evans, John          14618659   Violet               [e-mail]
Fetting, Jon          4024153   tfo                  [e-mail]
Finnis, Tony          3142165   fatman               [e-mail]
Forbus, David         2512475   forbus               [e-mail]
Gavin, Peter          7560538   Pete                 [e-mail]
Gibbs, Dorothy        1237263   Dorothy
[e-mail]
Grasso, Nick         12471014   Nick                 [e-mail]
Hailman, Robert       1668484   YorgOrgigus          [e-mail]
Hamilton, Robi        3786943                        [e-mail]
Hyde, Blake           5411598   Syrion               [e-mail]
Jones, Brian E.       2592938   Chaz Wazzer          [e-mail]
Jones, Ralph E.      11903613                        [e-mail]
Landrum, Chris       11989523   Raine                [e-mail]
Lauer, Brad           2740132   Clear Waters         [e-mail]
Lee, Paul N.          8804332 * Nahee
[e-mail]
Mackey, Chris         5517259   Maxx                 [e-mail]
Margolis, Bob        11924047                        [e-mail]
Mercier, IrΘnΘe       7217822   Hibou                [e-mail]
Misterio', John C.A. 13157125 * John C.A. Misterio   [e-mail]
Mitchell, Cindy       2004028   cindy                [e-mail]
Moberg, Jonas         6024576   midas
[e-mail]
Moberg, Jonas         9808670   midas
[e-mail]
Neal, Tom             6090016   tom                  [e-mail]
Nguyen, Nhan           341018   Lavondyss            [e-mail]
Nikerel, Ilkem Emrah  5795106   Klark                [e-mail]
Parker, Thaddaeus     3304633 *                      [e-mail]
Perez, Ramiro         5281899   huor                 [e-mail]
Peteri, Gedeon        4831489                        [e-mail]
Piottukh, Vadim       1972851   Vadim                [e-mail]
Preslar, Janet       11747009   Jani                 [e-mail]
Scholl, Alan         12952218   swordas              [e-mail]
Schoonmaker, Andrew   2840835   Neon Elephant        [e-mail]
Schulze, Wilfried     3466538   doc                  [e-mail]
Simpson, Earl         2151865   GreyFox              [e-mail]
Stein, Jared          4665655   JSPent               [e-mail]
Stein, Jared         14590398   JSPent               [e-mail]
Strik, D. Christian  11760568 * Meltdown             [e-mail]
Tupper, Mary          8041281 * Xylen
[e-mail]
Wilczynski, Angela     503044   wizzle               [e-mail]
Wilczynski, Angela    1205072   wizzle               [e-mail]
Wilson, John         14386215 *                      [e-mail]

An asterisk (*) behind an ICQ # indicates that person is a member of the
ICQ Fractint Interest Group. M indicates Master.

This list may seem to have a bad lay-out if you're e-mail reader is using a
variable-width font (like Microsoft products do). For a good overview, you
might have to cut and paste into a text editor, or set the proportional (!)
font to a fixed font in your mail reader.

Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed
here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member
of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out
names and numbers. :-)


If you notice an error on the list, don't hesitate to comment. This can be
done to the list, but I prefer corrections to be sent to
[e-mail]
Also, if you have a more than one ICQ number and don't use one of them, or
just want your name removed from the list - just send me a mail. Or if you
need a repost.

Thanx in advance,
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Orphaned Brots PAR
Date: 09 Aug 1998 02:26:11 EDT

In a message dated 8/8/98 2:20:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Xylen wrote:
>
>  >I live in another Dimension.
>
>  I hope there's fractals out there :-)

Fractals are *everywhere*......even the 10th dimension......

Dama

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From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 09 Aug 1998 07:00:35 +0100

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:

> :On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts
> :WordPad.
> :
> :(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.)
>
> Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad. Although it's
> curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command 'wordpad' work? If not,
> maybe 'write' is an explorer alias.

ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ???
Sorry, must be a joke.

Markus



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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 09 Aug 1998 20:20:31 +0200

Markus (John C.A. Misterio') wrote:

>ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ???
>Sorry, must be a joke.


Okay, following the windows terminology, it is a 'windows explorer command'.
There are more of these out there. If you have Win95 with IE4 or Win98, you
may know the 'Show Desktop' and 'View Channels' commands.

Christian




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From: "mctupper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) "x-thingy" explained
Date: 09 Aug 1998 15:12:30 -0600

Earlier there was some discussion going on about what type of passes to use
and why use them. I have always just played around with them, and didn't
know exactly the differences. So this week, while taking a break from my
contest entries, I set about finding out the differences. I used the same
par for all images, and checked out calculation time, file size, and image
quality.

The results were interesting. In summary, passes=T fill=<nnn> took the
longest at 6:28.84 with a file size of 129Kb, with it's own brand of image
quality. On the other end of the spectrum was passes=G1, fill=<normal>. This
took just 0:13.8 and a file size of 63Kb which was pretty blocky in quality.
The other types of passes averaged 2:44.85 at 108Kb for passes G3, G6, T, B,
and B (fill). Passes 1-3 average 4:01.07 at 109Kb. All of were pretty
indistinguishable in quality.

The results of all this is on my web page (gifs and individual comments) at:
http://members.tripod.com/~Xylen/Fractgallery.html

The basic PAR I used is posted below. If you are every confused about
time/space/image quality, check this page out. Hope this helps those who
aren't real sure what's going on.  :)

+++++++++++++++++++++ PAR +++++++++++++++++

testbasic       { ;               (c) Mary Tupper
                  ; basic par for testing
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=s10-01
  passes=1 center-mag=-0.0132477/0.00286393/15.38652/1/169.999
  params=0/-0.45 float=y maxiter=255 fillcolor=normal inside=bof60
  invert=0.0911169299632823/0/0 decomp=256
  colors=1JG<9>4zp<29>2DC2BA2BA<12>111000000000<16>000500500<26>iB3<9>ziM<\
  2>v_HtXFrTDpQBoM9mJ7kF5iB3<9>911500000<12>000000011021<10>3A93B93CA3CA3B\
  9<14>111000000000<53>000011011022032<3>054054065076<3>0A90FC
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

FRM:

S10-01{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded
; = zS09-S08
t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel:
x=real(z),y=imag(z)
xx=x*x,yy=y*y
Tx=xx*(xx*(xx*(xx*(xx-9)+28)-35)+15)-1
Ty=yy*(yy*(yy*(yy*(yy-9)+28)-35)+15)-1
x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx
z=x+flip(y)
|z|<=bailout}

Xylen,
I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality, on the
edges of Lake Mandelbrot.




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) come.to/fractinticq
Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:30:45 +0200

Fractint ICQers,

If you have accessed the on-line Fractint List ICQ # List recently, it is
likely you have had a script error (something like "no access, not found").
The error was due to relative url's in the geocities GeoBranding part,
automatically added by Geocities. The relative addresses didn't work for there
was a V3 cloaking. This has now been fixed.

BTW, until now there were two (!) annoying popup windows when accessing
fractinticq.html. One of them, the one caused by my V3 link server, has been
removed and replaced by a banner - which is for most people less annoying.

Christian







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From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New color map files for downloading
Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:45:03 +0200

Busy with one of your fractals for the Fractal '98 contest, and you just
can't get the colors right.....?

Maybe you should try some of my colormaps. I just uploaded another zip-file
with 50 color map files to my homepage, so now there are 100 colormapfiles
in total.

My fractal gallery can be found at URL
http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm
Click on 'downloads' for the zip-files.

Bye!
Jacco
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From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 09 Aug 1998 21:37:20 -0400

In the windows directory, you'll find a 'write.exe' file.  'wordpad.exe' is
in 'C:\Program Files\Accessories' (normally) and I'm pretty sure write (in
Win95, at least) just calls wordpad (or _is_ wordpad under a different
name).  MS did this so Win3.1 programs that depend on write would still
work.  And (for John Misterio's benefit) aliases _are_ available (in a
simplified manner) in Win95.  In the registry, there is a key called
'AppPaths' (or something, I can't exactly remember where in the heirarchy,
though) that has a bunch of aliases for programs.  For example, if you look
under 'explorer' you'll find 'C:\Windows\explorer.exe'.  I guess 'wordpad'
would be aliased to 'C:\Program Files\Accessories\wordpad.exe' (normally).
If you type the one-word alias in the Run box, you run the program it points
at.
As far as wordpad's doc format, it is a simplified version of Word 6.0's
format.  You can open Wordpad's docs in Word 6.0 (or later), but if you use
features found in Word 6.0 but not in Wordpad, you'll have trouble getting
it to open in Wordpad.  Any version from Word95 on will not open in Wordpad,
but all versions of Word can open previous version's docs.  I have heard
that after Word98, MS will use some kind of HTML or XML format for _all_ its
office documents.  I don't think they will be viewable in just any old
browser...  just IE <g>.



Pete
<[e-mail]>

//  -----Original Message-----
//  From: [e-mail]
//  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of John C. A.
//  Misterio'
//  Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 2:01 AM
//  To: [e-mail]
//  Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
//
//
//  Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
//
//  > :On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts
//  > :WordPad.
//  > :
//  > :(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.)
//  >
//  > Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad.
//  Although it's
//  > curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command
//  'wordpad' work? If not,
//  > maybe 'write' is an explorer alias.
//
//  ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ???
//  Sorry, must be a joke.
//
//  Markus
//
//
//
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) missing frm files
Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:09:09 EDT

Please help, I am looking for some frm files.

I checked Spanky's listing of frm files and couldn' find them.  I tried to
reconstruct them using orgform and it didn't work very well.  Is there
anywhere else I can go?  I've seen individual formulas asked for in the list
but not whole frm files.

If you are the owner of any of the following frm files could you email it to
me, text or attatchment makes no difference to me.  Thank you very much.

ORMAN17A.FRM    ORMAN2.FRM    ORMAN3.FRM    PAUL.FRM    PDERB.FRM    PDG02.FRM
PETERMAN.FRM    PETERNEW.FRM    ROLLO.FRM    SCI_FRAC.FRM    SKINV13R.FRM        SKIN151.FRM

I read something about someone wanting to archive lots of pars and frms...Hows
that endeavor going?

Best regards
Rui

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From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest 98
Date: 09 Aug 1998 20:28:05 -0700

Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/"
I've tried several times without success.


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 98
Date: 09 Aug 1998 22:42:43 -0500

Art Baker wrote:
>
> Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/"
> I've tried several times without success.
>

The reason that most obviously comes to mind would be normal
maintenance.  Another possibility is the "Baby Bell" strike that may
cause problems with the phone lines.  Then there is the spelling of the
Domain name:  fractalus.com  instead of:  fractulus.com

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Jay Hill where are you!?!? (was copyrights)
Date: 09 Aug 1998 21:15:53 -0700

News flash...

Web page update...
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/

> The Fractint discussion list had a useful exchange on Copyrights
> (MS Word)
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
> collected by Linda Allison. Also, a zip file containing an ASCII version.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Copyrigh.zip
> NEW  8/9/1998

The ASCII file is MSDOS text with long lines wrapped. Linda sent me the
zipped file in early April. Alas it was a Word doc file. It seems few are
consulting the file until now, including me. :-)

A new pointer has been added to the iFAQ also.
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html

Hope this helps. BTW, a subject heading with my name in it would
have definitely gotten my attention two days ago.

I am 1656 Fractint list messages behind so just now noticed the flap.
Very sorry to have this happen. Now, back to the search for the
winning Fractal Art Contest image.  :-)

Jay Hill


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From: "Thomas Broch-Nielsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set
Date: 10 Aug 1998 09:08:34 MET-1MEST

Hi

I just bought a new grahics card, instead of my ancient cirrus logic,
a creative blaster exxtreme based on the 3dlabs permadia 2 chip set,
onfortunately now when a try to run any of the hi-rez modes, it
simply says this video mode not available with your adater, since
320*200*256 is NOT my favourite mode, i was someone could help me get
fix this problem, anyone out there with an updated fractint.cfg or
whatever.

Thomas Broch
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From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest 98
Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:13:54 -0700

Thanks Paul:
 Although I spelled it wrong in my message I am using the correct URL. I
have connected in the past.I have tried several times since Sunday morning
including just a few minutes ago and it won"t connect. I'm wondering if
anyone else has been able to connect. I would think many  would would have
tried since the Contest has ended.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Paul N. Lee
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:43 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 98
>
>
> Art Baker wrote:
> >
> > Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/"
> > I've tried several times without success.
> >
>
> The reason that most obviously comes to mind would be normal
> maintenance.  Another possibility is the "Baby Bell" strike that may
> cause problems with the phone lines.  Then there is the spelling of the
> Domain name:  fractalus.com  instead of:  fractulus.com
>
> P.N.L.
> -------------------------------------------------
>      Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
>        Because we're almost always right.
> -------------------------------------------------
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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) pars
Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:37:07 -0700

This triangle coloring method is really nice.

late_for_the_sky   { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
                     ; palette from Sylvie Gallet
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle
center-mag=0.223905/-0.577212/13.33333
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256
inside=0 outside=real
  colors=00K3BC<5>000svv<6>AUU<22>00\
0zzz<6>UdW<18>698586465343222000zzz<6>\
  fbHcZAbYA<21>000zzz<7>mU5<22>000zzz<5>fS\
TbMNaMN<22>000zzz<6>WQ_<18>86865\
  6545333222000zzz<7>PPZ<22>000zzz<6>H\
ii<13>6IK5GI4EG4DE
  }

trees  {
  colors=000QTY<10>cho<15>000<17>c0\
U<35>403302000<24>``WbbYccZee`ffa<12>zz\
  u<16>UUQSSOQQMOOLMMJKKH<8>22200\
0000<75>000111223<17>PSW
  }

trees0              { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
                     ; droz map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle passes=3
  center-mag=+0.16003098777442180/-0.63397124509609590/345.8532
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256
fillcolor=200 inside=100  outside=real
  colors=000<3>O44U55Z66c77h88l99pAA\
sBBuBBxBByCCzCCzCC<2>xBBuBBsBBpAAl99<2\
  >Z66U55O44<3>000<14>zmm<14>67424\
1000<3>99OBBUDDZFFcHHhJJlKKpMMsNNuNNxOOy\
  OOzPPz<2>NNxNNuMMsKKpJJl<2>DDZBB\
U99O<3>000<2>IE3Z66UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la9pdAsgB\
  uiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpd\
Ala9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>000<31>000<4>00Q00V00\
  Z00b00f00i<3>00r00r00s00r00r00p00n\
00l00i<2>00Z00V00Q<4>000<3>E2HI2LL3PO3\
  TR4WU4ZW4aY5d_5e`5ga5ha5ib5ia5ia\
5h`5g_5eY5dW4aU4ZR4W<2>I2LE2HB1D71930400\
  0<2>IEEOJJUNNZRRcVVhZZlaapddsgguii\
xjjyllzllzmmzllyllxjjuiisggpddlaa<2>ZR\
  RUNNOJJ<2>644 cyclerange=32/41
  }

trees1             { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
                     ; palette from Sylvie Gallet
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle passes=3
  center-mag=+0.15757193207759990/-0.63818861583681340/109.2896
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256
fillcolor=200 inside=100 outside=real
  colors=00K112000zzz<6>Hii<13>6IK5\
GI4EG4DE3BCwww<4>wwwsvv<6>AUU<22>000zzz\
  <6>UdW<18>698586465343222000zzz<6>fbHcZ\
AbYA<21>000zzz<7>mU5<22>000zzz<5>\
  fSTbMNaMN<22>000zzz<4>d`gPVcWQ_<18>868\
656545333222000zzz<7>PPZ<20>223
  }

trees2             { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle
  center-mag=-1.44731035166732200/-0.00001203929566132/483.3524
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 outside=real
  colors=000OOzOOyNNxNNuMMsKKpJJ\
l<2>DDZBBU99O<3>000<2>IE3OJ4UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la\
  9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiB\
sgBpdAla9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>000<3>I6EM8HQ9\
  KUBNXCQ_DSbEVdFXfGYhGZiH_jH`jH`jH`iH_<2>dF\
XbEV_DSXCQ<2>M8HI6ED5A<2>000<3\
  >OEBUHEZKGcNJhQLlSNpVOsXQuYRx\
ZSy_Tz`Tz`U<2>xZSuYRsXQpVOlSN<2>ZKGUHEOEB<3\
  >000<2>E54J75N87RA8VB9<2>dFCgGDi\
HDjHElIElIEmIFlIElIEjHEiHD<2>aEBZDAVB9RA\
  8N87<4>000<3>E42H53K64N74Q85S95V\
A6<3>_C7`C7`C7<3>YB6XB6VA6<4>H53E42A3272\
  1310421<2>I94MB5QD6UF7XH8_J9bKAdMB\
fNBhNBiOCjOCjPCjOCiOChNBfNBdMB<2>XH8UF\
  7QD6<5>000<2>7E39J4BN5DR6FV7<2>KdAM\
gBNiBNjBOlCOlCPmCOlCOlCNjBNiB<2>Ja9HZ\
  8FV7DR6BN5<4>000<3>99OBBUDDZFFcHHh\
JJlKKpMMsNNuNNx<2>PPz
  }

frm:dmj-Mand-Triangle(XAXIS) { ; outside = real: triangle inequality
average
 ; original idea and formula from L. Kerry Mitchell
 ; modified for total continuity by dmj, 9-8-97

 IF (real(p3) == 0)  ; Invalid value for color scale.
   p3 = 75 + flip(imag(p3)) ; Substitute a default value.
 ENDIF
 IF (imag(p3) == 0)  ; Invalid value for bailout.
   p3 = (0,128) + real(p3) ; Substitute a default value.
 ENDIF
 sum = 0    ; Running total.
 done = 1   ; Iteration counter.
 ac = cabs(pixel)  ; Absolute value of pixel (precalc).
 il2 = 1/log(2.0)  ; Inverse log 2 (precalc).
 lp = log(log(imag(p3)))  ; log(log bailout) (precalc).
 f = -1    ; No fractional iteration yet.

 z = pixel, c = pixel:  ; Mandelbrot initialization.
 az2 = |z|   ; Save absolute value of first term.
 z = sqr(z) + c   ; Mandelbrot calculation.

 lowbound = abs(az2 - ac) ; Calculate lower bound for sum.
 sum = sum + (cabs(z) - lowbound) / (az2+ac - lowbound)
     ; Ratio between bounds.

 done = done + 1   ; Done one more iteration.
 IF (az2 > imag(p3))  ; Point exceeds bailout.
   IF (f < 0)   ; First time; let it go again.
     f = il2*lp - il2*log(log(cabs(z))) + 2; Fractional iteration.
     oldsum = sum / done  ; Save the average ratio so far.
   ELSE    ; Second time past bailout.
     sum = sum / done  ; Average ratio.
     f = oldsum + (sum-oldsum) * (f-1) ; Interpolate sum.
     z = f * real(p3)  ; Apply color scale.
     z = z - 255*trunc(z/real(255)) ; Wrap at 255.
     z = z - done - 5  ; Return value.
     done = -1   ; Set flag to force an exit.
   ENDIF
 ENDIF

 done >= 0   ; Continue if the flag is clear.
}







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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set
Date: 10 Aug 1998 06:41:22 -0400

Hi Thomas,

>> anyone out there with an updated fractint.cfg or whatever. =


  I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you find the VESA
modes available with your card.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Elaina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 10 Aug 1998 07:24:28 -0500

Kragen wrote:

> And I think Word for DOS had its own formats.

People in my company had conversion problems going from word5 to word6
at the time.

P.S. Sorry I spilled the fishing bait. ...and the fist too.
I almost started that with I'm sure this has been beat to death.

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 10 Aug 1998 11:37:16 -0700

Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map
*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and
ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a
web site if posted.

I'm not sure reading the great copyright debate is an answer to Elaina's
question, so I tossed in my 2 cents.  I realize there is a genuine
question of degree when using someone else's par as a starting point.
But I don't think the rather trivial manipulations Elaina described
constitute "original" in my mind.  Part of my own critical facility is
being able to recognize color maps, even when cycled, particularly
Linda's and Sylvia's as well as my own.

When I hit a "great" image.....it usually looks fabulous at many points
of color cycling and with different maps.  If I post the image (via my
website or as a par for the list), I've probably selected from one of
the several variations I've made of that image.

I wouldn't want my comments to be construed as saying that an "original"
can't be produced starting with an existing par.....I certainly do that
all the time.  But, I usually claim it as "mine" only after I've zoomed,
applied one of my maps, skewed and maybe tweeked the par values.
Otherwise (and I think we've seen this often on the list), I'll
say....this is Kathy's par with one of my maps (zoom, etc.) or
whatever......I think credit should be given where credit is due,
particularly for the contest.

Angela aka wizzle

Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
>
> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
> stuff that is very mine.
>
> Juice --have fun --harm none
> Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish.

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From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
Date: 10 Aug 1998 21:21:33 +0100

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:

> There are more of these out there. If you have Win95 with IE4 or Win98, you
> may know the 'Show Desktop' and 'View Channels' commands.

Yes. You mean this GP-fault commands.

Markus





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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set
Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:52:09 -0500

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you
> find the VESA modes available with your card.
>

You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> .
He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set
Date: 10 Aug 1998 17:03:49 EDT

In a message dated 8/10/98 1:59:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>  >
>  > I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you
>  > find the VESA modes available with your card.
>  >
>
>  You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> .
>  He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.

Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a small
utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :)

Dama

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT)

Angela writes:

>Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map
>*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and
>ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a
>web site if posted.
...
>Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
>>
>> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
>> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
>> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
>> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
>> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
>> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
>> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
>> stuff that is very mine.

Angela,

If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential
for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing
Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul?

--
Mike Traynor

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set
Date: 10 Aug 1998 19:06:44 -0400

Hi Dama and Paul,

>> > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> =
=2E =

>> > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.
>>
>> Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a
>> small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :)

  Will do!

        - Sylvie

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:16:16 -0700

Michael Traynor wrote:
>
> Angela writes:
>
> >Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map
> >*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and
> >ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a
> >web site if posted.
> ...
> >Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
> >> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
> >> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
> >> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
> >> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
> >> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
> >> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
> >> stuff that is very mine.
>
> Angela,
>
> If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential
> for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing
> Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul?
>
> --
> Mike Traynor


Mike....

Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and
illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential" .....it's
still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person who hung it another
way. Change the frame and it's also still the same work.

Now.....if someone superimposes the Mona Lisa onto an image of the earth
and then combines it with some fractals, this to me is original and no
longer a "da Vinci."  As I stated, it's a matter of degrees.

Angela

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set
Date: 11 Aug 1998 03:37:16 +0200

Sylvie,

What kind of a utitlity is it really? I'm sure there will be some people on
the list who also may benefit from it.

Christian

>Hi Dama and Paul,
>
>> > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> .
>> > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.
>>
>> Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a
>> small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :)
>
>  Will do!
>
>        - Sylvie





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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)
Date: 10 Aug 1998 21:01:56 -0500

Angela Wilczynski wrote:
>
> Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and
> illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential"
> .....it's still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person
> who hung it another way. Change the frame and it's also still
> the same work.
>

So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really
have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for
Campbell's??

What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and
manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who
gets the credit there??

If I were to take one of your fractals and hand paint a copy of the
image with oils or acrylics, who is the artwork by??

There are way too many gray areas and fine lines to divide up further.

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: Jean Debord <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Absolute beginner in need of help...
Date: 11 Aug 1998 01:15:39 -0400

Jane Croucher wrote:

> I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a=

fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where =
to
get good fractal pictures.

I would recommend the books "Fractals for the classroom" by H.O. Peitgen,=

H. Jurgens and D. Saupe (2 vol., Springer Verlag 1992). All types of
fractals are discussed, the mathematics are introduced progressively, and=

there is a short BASIC program in each chapter.

There are also some on-line tutorials, for instance :

The Fractal Geometry of the Mandelbrot Set, by Robert Devaney:
http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/FRACGEOM/index.html

Chaos, Fractals, Dimension, by Glenn Elert: =

http://www.columbia.edu/~gae4/chaos/

I hope this helps.

Jean Debord
Limoges, France

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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 00:04:29 -0700

At 09:01 PM 8/10/98 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
>...
>So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really
>have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for
>Campbell's??

I would agree with that.  Besides, I think we all know
Andy was a hack! (and a cult phenomenon peculiar to those
free-thinking times)

>What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and
>manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who
>gets the credit there??

I think it would depend on the subject matter.  For example,
a cropped and "posterized" photo of Yosemite, by Ansel Adams
or anyone else, would be virtually indistinguishable from another
taken at the same place in the same season and similarly
processed.  As with fractals, one can claim that the art already
existed in nature, and that we humans are merely interpreting it.

On the other hand, each fractal space is multidimensional and
infinite, and (with the possible exception of a lot of gravijul and
gravijul variant images which produce satisfactory results with
very obvious parameters) the odds of two people "stumbling"
onto the exact same locale are slim indeed.  And, as
Angela pointed out, no doubt the original artist will recognize
his/her ripped off creation.  Besides, anyone who rips off
someone else's work is really desperate to win and has little
or no pride or artistic drive.  It's like stealing a term paper and
changing a few words to make identification of the fraud more
difficult, or copying the smart kid's quiz answers.  With all of the
swollen egos (let's face it, we're *all* digital exhibitionists) and
creative energy around here, I find it hard to fathom why anyone
would *want* to feature another's work or take credit for same.
Members of this list frequently reinterpret posted works and use
palettes developed by others, but usually give proper credit.

BTW, if this thread continues, couldn't we at least correct the
spelling (rather than point out that the original was in error)?


Bud


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From: "Regina & Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 11 Aug 1998 18:00:51 +1000

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 11 Aug 1998 03:29:29 -0500

Regina & Steve wrote:
>
> I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics
> mode except IBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGA
> I either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted
> when I "return to " it or try to save it?  Is there a fix?
> What info is needed for someone to give me the correct
> graphics info (is it the .cfg file???)
>

What graphics card and chip set do you have??  What operating system and
release level are you running??

This could be another situation that may be resolved by Sylvie Gallet's
"small utility" (which probably should be available as a link in the
FAQ).

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 2 pars
Date: 11 Aug 1998 05:01:16 EDT


Here's a nice tree!  The 2nd par makes a great wallpaper after resizing it to
212x159 and maintaining aspect of 1.333.   Enjoy~

Jimbo

******************************************************************************
*

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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ;
                     ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fract196.frm formulaname=Zeppo
  function=asin/asinh passes=t
  center-mag=0.933591/0.933591/1.640764/1/44.999 params=1/0/0.59/0
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 1 par(Gallet-7-07)
Date: 11 Aug 1998 05:07:00 EDT


Here's a lakeside view.......sort of!   Enjoy~

Jimbo

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:42:24 -0400

Regina, Paul, Christian et al,

  Vesa2cfg.exe is a small freeware that was distributed with the DOS imag=
e
viewer QPV386 and was designed to create the .cfg file for this program. =

This .cfg file is a text file that describes all the VESA modes available=

with the video card, the entries are not in the same format as in
fractint.cfg, but they are easy to use.

  I have uploaded vesa2cfg.zip to my web site, the URL is:

  <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip>

  While I was at it, I've also updated my "Fractal of the Week":

  <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm>

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 10:58:15 -0400 (EDT)

Responding to Bud's response to Paul N. Lee:

It is interesting the extent to which commercial, quasi-commercial and
proprietary interests pre-dominate over an interest in seeing fractals
explored.  If a person is considered to be ripping-off another (Bud's
words) in coming up with an image the original artist never envisioned
(to avoid incremental type arguments, I am talking about something that
would make the original artist go "Wow! I had no idea that was there.") then
you rule out large areas for exploration on the basis that these things are
the quasi-property of someone else.  Will folk who want to assert some
sort of exclusionary zone (what property is really about - not a right to
something but a right to exclude others from it) around their images
accept the burden of exhaustive exploration of the area they fence off.
The alternative is that in the interests of I'm not sure what, chunks of
fractal space would be left barren.

Now, in all this, if I were to 'find' something startlingly different
with a couple of simple mods to someone else's image, I'd make sure to
acknowledge the origins of the work, and not claim that I was working from
a blank slate.  The question of acknowledgement is separate from that of
"ownership".  For instance, I do not feel that a person who develops a
neat formula 'owns' all the images that may result, but their contribution
of the formula should be acknowledged where possible.  Even if the results
of a couple of simple transformations would never have occurred to the
original artist, that artist deserves credit for the underlying image.

So, on exactly what basis would a properly acknowledged, truly new
(in the sense of presenting some aspect strikingly different from the
original) derived image be excluded from any contest?

>
>At 09:01 PM 8/10/98 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
>>...
>>So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really
>>have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for
>>Campbell's??
>
>I would agree with that.  Besides, I think we all know
>Andy was a hack! (and a cult phenomenon peculiar to those
>free-thinking times)
>
>>What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and
>>manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who
>>gets the credit there??
>
>I think it would depend on the subject matter.  For example,
>a cropped and "posterized" photo of Yosemite, by Ansel Adams
>or anyone else, would be virtually indistinguishable from another
>taken at the same place in the same season and similarly
>processed.  As with fractals, one can claim that the art already
>existed in nature, and that we humans are merely interpreting it.
>
>On the other hand, each fractal space is multidimensional and
>infinite, and (with the possible exception of a lot of gravijul and
>gravijul variant images which produce satisfactory results with
>very obvious parameters) the odds of two people "stumbling"
>onto the exact same locale are slim indeed.  And, as
>Angela pointed out, no doubt the original artist will recognize
>his/her ripped off creation.  Besides, anyone who rips off
>someone else's work is really desperate to win and has little
>or no pride or artistic drive.  It's like stealing a term paper and
>changing a few words to make identification of the fraud more
>difficult, or copying the smart kid's quiz answers.  With all of the
>swollen egos (let's face it, we're *all* digital exhibitionists) and
>creative energy around here, I find it hard to fathom why anyone
>would *want* to feature another's work or take credit for same.
>Members of this list frequently reinterpret posted works and use
>palettes developed by others, but usually give proper credit.
>
>BTW, if this thread continues, couldn't we at least correct the
>spelling (rather than point out that the original was in error)?
>
>
>Bud
>
>
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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 11:14:45 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Michael Traynor wrote:
> Now, in all this, if I were to 'find' something startlingly different
> with a couple of simple mods to someone else's image, I'd make sure to
> acknowledge the origins of the work, and not claim that I was working from
> a blank slate.  The question of acknowledgement is separate from that of
> "ownership".  For instance, I do not feel that a person who develops a
> neat formula 'owns' all the images that may result, but their contribution
> of the formula should be acknowledged where possible.

Yes, this is what I was trying to say in the first place.

Copyright is the right to copy something, which can be licenced to
others -- or not -- as the original holder sees fit, and can be sold.
It's a way of helping artists make money.  (It has been twisted into a
way for record company execs to make money, but that's another story.)

Moral rights are different, and I think they are what is at issue
here.  If you create an artistic work, you have the moral right to be
identified as its author wherever it ends up, and you have the moral
right to prevent it from being used in ways that are odious to you.
This right is inalienable -- you can't sell it or contract it away,
although you can neglect to exercise it if you want, and it can't be
inherited.

Moral rights are not recognized under US law, but they make more sense
in this context than copyright.

Kragen


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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:57:00 -0700

I have to disagree that moral rights are at issue in the original
question which is
(my paraphrase)

Is color cycling and rotating a fractal image sufficient to transfer
"ownership" to the person who makes these minimal changes for purposes
of the contest?

My position is ........no.  As I stated, I can usually recognize color
maps (particularly my own) even when cycled and I think I'm astute
enough to see what a rotation may or may not accomplish.  Therefore, the
postulation that "the original artist says 'wow'" because he/she can't
recognize this stupendous "new" work, don't, I believe, apply.

Angela

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Michael Traynor wrote:
> > Now, in all this, if I were to 'find' something startlingly different
> > with a couple of simple mods to someone else's image, I'd make sure to
> > acknowledge the origins of the work, and not claim that I was working from
> > a blank slate.  The question of acknowledgement is separate from that of
> > "ownership".  For instance, I do not feel that a person who develops a
> > neat formula 'owns' all the images that may result, but their contribution
> > of the formula should be acknowledged where possible.
>
> Yes, this is what I was trying to say in the first place.
>
> Copyright is the right to copy something, which can be licenced to
> others -- or not -- as the original holder sees fit, and can be sold.
> It's a way of helping artists make money.  (It has been twisted into a
> way for record company execs to make money, but that's another story.)
>
> Moral rights are different, and I think they are what is at issue
> here.

<<snipped>>
> Kragen
>

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:54:00 -0700

I agree with Angela.  And just to set the record straight, the code says
that copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not.  Only
damages are affected by that.  And section 106 of the Copyright Act
gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to prepare and to
authorize others "to prepare derivative works  based upon the
copyrighted work."

What you are describing is a derivation based upon the copyrighted work.
That work would have to be unrecognizable as a derivative work in order
to be exempt.  Or, if the original author granted permission for the
derivation, there would be no problem.  (None of us know whether Warhol
had permission or not, but his work was created prior to March 1, 1989.
Prior to that time, the copyright laws were much more lenient, in which
case.)

Copyright has rights under the law.  Even "fair use" has some rights
under the law.

Linda



>Michael Traynor wrote:
>>
>> Angela writes:
>>
>> >Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a
map
>> >*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul
and
>> >ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from
a
>> >web site if posted.
>> ...
>> >Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making
is just
>> >> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
>> >> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off
with her
>> >> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of
when I
>> >> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My
impulse to
>> >> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough
to be
>> >> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have
other
>> >> stuff that is very mine.
>>
>> Angela,
>>
>> If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the
potential
>> for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys
typing
>> Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul?
>>
>> --
>> Mike Traynor
>
>
>Mike....
>
>Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and
>illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential" .....it's
>still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person who hung it another
>way. Change the frame and it's also still the same work.
>
>Now.....if someone superimposes the Mona Lisa onto an image of the
earth
>and then combines it with some fractals, this to me is original and no
>longer a "da Vinci."  As I stated, it's a matter of degrees.
>
>Angela



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:30:44 EDT

Hi everyone,

I read over much of the previous posts that Linda has edited on copyright, and
a question has emerged I am hoping someone can answer for me.  In one of Tim's
early posts on the subject he explains it is possible to acsess the parameters
and extract any copyright information that may have been encoded into the par.
I can see obviously where this is when looking at a par itself, but if you
JUST have the Fractint produced image, what do you "press" to see the original
par that generated that image?

Thanks in adavance for your help.

Julian

~~~~~~~~~~~
Julian Adamaitis

Fractelligent Designs
visit "Julian's Fractal Page"
http://members.aol.com/julianpa
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT)

Angela writes:
>
>I have to disagree that moral rights are at issue in the original
>question which is (my paraphrase)
>
>Is color cycling and rotating a fractal image sufficient to transfer
>"ownership" to the person who makes these minimal changes for purposes
>of the contest?
>
>My position is ........no.  As I stated, I can usually recognize color
>maps (particularly my own) even when cycled and I think I'm astute
>enough to see what a rotation may or may not accomplish.  Therefore, the
>postulation that "the original artist says 'wow'" because he/she can't
>recognize this stupendous "new" work, don't, I believe, apply.

Angela,

My whole point in putting the question as I did was that obvious
alterations that still retained the character of the original would
'obviously' not be enough for the modifier to claim any credit.  The idea
was specifically to test things in an abstract way.  It would be unlikely
that a simply derived image would be startlingly new looking, but what
would the case be if this unlikely event occurred?



--
Mike Traynor

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    Abraham Lincoln

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From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 15:06:43 -0400

Lord, I like the idea of having a contest, but aren't we getting a little
extreme?  In the few months I've been on the list, it's all been about
having fun.  We exchange pars just for the sake of showing them off to
friends.  We are generally happy when people find something cool in our
pars.  When we find something cool, we give credit where credit is due.

IMHO, the contest is here for the same reason: so we can have fun sharing
images.  It isn't that big a deal.  I don't see any reason for consulting
copyright law, or having a long discussion about how and why we should be
prosecuting each other!

I really don't see this as a copyright issue.  I think it's more of an
intelligence issue than anything else.  The question "Can I enter an image
that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has
already been asked and answered: "No, you can't."  We are all intelligent
people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.'

If some one does, it isn't the end of the world.  If the author of the
original image speaks up, then I'm sure they're name will appear next to the
image when the time comes.

-RJ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Mike and Linda
> Allison
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:54 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
>
>
> I agree with Angela.  And just to set the record straight, the code says
> that copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not.  Only
> damages are affected by that.  And section 106 of the Copyright Act
> gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to prepare and to
> authorize others "to prepare derivative works  based upon the
> copyrighted work."
>
> What you are describing is a derivation based upon the copyrighted work.
> That work would have to be unrecognizable as a derivative work in order
> to be exempt.  Or, if the original author granted permission for the
> derivation, there would be no problem.  (None of us know whether Warhol
> had permission or not, but his work was created prior to March 1, 1989.
> Prior to that time, the copyright laws were much more lenient, in which
> case.)
>
> Copyright has rights under the law.  Even "fair use" has some rights
> under the law.
>
> Linda


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:45:09 -0400 (EDT)

>I really don't see this as a copyright issue.  I think it's more of an
>intelligence issue than anything else.  The question "Can I enter an image
>that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has
>already been asked and answered: "No, you can't."  We are all intelligent
>people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.'

The answer came, no doubt from God almighty?

As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the
last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion.  In the incredibly
unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago)
and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd
consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine.  If we
differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list.  I do
consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ
without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in
this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an
instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability).


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map
Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:53:30 EDT


Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to draw. I
used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these images
perfectly.

Enjoy~

Jimbo

******************************************************************************
*****

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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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nusnaps34          { ; 0:00:19.00 75mhz 800x600
                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
                     ; colormap from Kathy Roth
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                     ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
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From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:10:47 -0400

I apologize for the 'intelligence' statement, as I reread it I can see it
was an incredibly lame thing to say, and it didn't even illustrate my
intended point.  The only person who's intelligence is in question is my
own.

' '
 |
\_/

I agree with you- it *should* be left up to the author of the original.
Still, I seriously doubt that anyone could produce anything that different
if all they did was rotate and cycle.  If they made they're own map, it'd be
a different story, wouldn't it?  The same goes if they zoomed, and left the
original map on.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Michael Traynor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:45 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
>
>
> >I really don't see this as a copyright issue.  I think it's more of an
> >intelligence issue than anything else.  The question "Can I
> enter an image
> >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has
> >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't."  We are all intelligent
> >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.'
>
> The answer came, no doubt from God almighty?
>
> As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the
> last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion.  In the incredibly
> unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago)
> and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd
> consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine.  If we
> differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list.  I do
> consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ
> without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in
> this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an
> instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability).
>
>
> --
> Mike Traynor
>
> People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of
> thing they like.
>     Abraham Lincoln
>
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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 14:36:00 -0700

I thought the original question was a pretty intelligent and reasonable
one myself and tried to provide a resonable answer, but clearly my
opinion was different.

I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate
because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas
(and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but
with color cycling possibilities) as far as distinct title to "my"
fractal is concerned.  Many of the standards developed over the years
for title to intellectual properties have been strained by the new
methodologies associated with the computer. Part of the function of
groups like ours is, I believe, to examine how to adapt those standards
to our brave new world. Hence my interest in the question......more as
an intellectual problem but touched off  by a practical question
regarding the contest.

Angela


Michael Traynor wrote:
>
> >I really don't see this as a copyright issue.  I think it's more of an
> >intelligence issue than anything else.  The question "Can I enter an image
> >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has
> >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't."  We are all intelligent
> >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.'
>
> The answer came, no doubt from God almighty?
>
> As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the
> last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion.  In the incredibly
> unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago)
> and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd
> consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine.  If we
> differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list.  I do
> consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ
> without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in
> this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an
> instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability).
>
> --
> Mike Traynor
>
> People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
>         Abraham Lincoln

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:36:29 -0700 (MST)

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, RJ Corradino wrote:

> I agree with you- it *should* be left up to the author of the original.
> Still, I seriously doubt that anyone could produce anything that different
> if all they did was rotate and cycle.  If they made they're own map, it'd be
> a different story, wouldn't it?  The same goes if they zoomed, and left the
> original map on.

Just to muck up the waters even further...

If the original image used only (say) 16 colors of a 256 color map, or
1000 colors of a 65K map, then there is a lot of room left for variation
by color-cycling.  In particular, I once made an image with a relatively
few colors, and the rest of the palette was white.  Then, as the palette
was cycled, the image came in, piece by piece.  Also, cheap animations
have been done this way; given a loop that fades between Person A at the
left of the screen and Person B at the right of the screen.  If Person A
is drawn with the first 128 colors and Person B is drawn with the next 128
colors, then cycling will show Person A then Person B, in a loop.  All
this is done with one "image", cycling the colors.  This effect, combined
with rotating and zooming, can lead to *very* different images.

Next picky point:  given programs like Fractint that have default values
for many fractal modes and discrete zooming steps, it's not all that
unlikely that two independent fractalers can come up with the same image.
Especially considering the proliferation of freely contributed parameter
and color map files.  While the space of *possible* images is certainly
immense, the space of *likely* images is much, much smaller.

Conclusion:  I don't have one.  I don't think it's a clear-cut issue when
a work is a rip-off and when it is a legimate derivative work.  I guess
that's why we have copyright registration, intellectual property
attorneys, and the courts.  I always try to make sure my work is
independent, if not unique, but I'd be hard pressed to prove it in court.

Kerry Mitchell
[e-mail]


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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet
Date: 11 Aug 1998 18:21:19 -0700


    I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" but was unable to
make a connection.  I received a notice "Page Not Found" with three items,
only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's name as "Sylvie%2Gallet"
rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in the post.
    Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am I
drifting in another 'unknown world"?
    Please, somebody, haul me back in.
                            Ray


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet
Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:46:09 EDT

In a message dated 11-08-98 8:20:22 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

>     I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week"

Try, using cut and paste instead of typing, it use to frustrate me to no end.
Great fractal Sylvie...definately need to go there.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/

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From: abraxas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:08:10 -0400


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I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS.
Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or
sometimes not even draw when I use
DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI
All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a
P166
Charlie

Regina & Steve wrote:

>  I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode
> exceptIBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGAI either get no picture
> or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to " it or try to save
> it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone to give me the
> correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???) Thanks in
> advance                        -Regina



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I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS. Anybody
else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or sometimes not even
draw when I use
<BR>DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI All-IN-Wonder_Pro
video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a P166
<BR>Charlie

<P>Regina & Steve wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>I have
just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode except</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>IBM
4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGA</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>I
either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to "
it or try to save it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone to
give me the correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???)</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Thanks
in advance</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>
-Regina</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) why? plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:51:21 EDT

When this all started I actually said to my self :
why is this such a touchy subject?

I've been folowing this thread and read the copyright stuff and think I
understand the concept.  This thread, though, is turning into yarn.  I'm a
short timer to the list and have always concidered anything posted as workable
and changable as long as credit was duly given.

A short answer like 'no', a fractal that has been color cycled from an
existing par is not acceptible in the contest may have stiffled a lot of heat.
For purposes of education, it is acceptable in the list.  We probably would
all take pot shots at this poor person for not giving credit where it due.  I
copied the letters of the alphabet thousands of times until I new each letter.
Fractals are just a different alphabet for expressing the unexpressible.

Grey areas and fine lines inevitably lead to disagreements and harsh words.
Some of us are artists/mathematicians and some mathematicians/artists but all
of us are professional. We should be proud of the art generated by the list,
its diversity, and especially its openness to all comers.

I think that similarities in fractal images, rendering methods, coloring
schemes all fall under a "school of thought" not necessarily "ripping someone
off".

(rip off Gene Rodenberry)
To explore strange new worlds and new dimensions, To proudly go where no man
has ever gone before....this is the mission of the Fractint List.

Best regards,
Rui

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism - PAR values
Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:58:36 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In one of Tim's early posts on the subject he explains it is
> possible to acsess the parameters and extract any copyright
> information that may have been encoded into the par.  I can
> see obviously where this is when looking at a par itself,
> but if you JUST have the Fractint produced image, what do you
> "press" to see the original par that generated that image?
>

If you load in a FractInt produced GIF image into FractInt (using the
<r> command), then you can turn right around and save that image's
parameters and color map to the appropriate filr type.  But the comments
will probably be picked up from the defaults that exist within your
SSTOOLS.INI file.

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:44:51 -0600

Re the issue of just cycling the colors. Of course merely cycling the colors
hardly constitutes a brand new creative image. But having said that, I've seen
plenty of occasions where artists had friendly competitions recoloring each
other's fractals to show them off better. Of course, what made that work was
there was never any claim of originality, and the original was always credited.

A fractal's appearance can in some circumstances be completely altered by
coloring. Another way to state this is that a typical fractal has too much
information to be visually absorbed. Coloring can simplify the structure and
draws attention to a different aspect of the structure.

I'm not really arguing against those who abhor the idea of recoloring someone
else's fractals and claiming it as their own. But by not allowing recoloring in at
least some friendly competitions (with full credit of course) we may be missing
some very interesting images. If recoloring is not allowed in the current contest,
maybe there should be another "coloring" contest sometime :-)

Tim


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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) not my map
Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:18:17 -0700


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JimBeau wrote:

> Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to
> draw. I
> used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these
> images
>
oops! That's Linda Allison's map.  I do use it a lot-
it's a great map.  It is lindaa16 in the collection that
Wizzle assembled.


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used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these
images</PRE>
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<BR>it's a great map.  It is lindaa16 in the collection that
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 11 Aug 1998 23:46:31 -0500

Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> I've seen plenty of occasions where artists had friendly
> competitions recoloring each other's fractals to show them
> off better.
> .......... ( snipped ) ...........
> If recoloring is not allowed in the current contest, maybe
> there should be another "coloring" contest sometime  :-)
>

I remember in the Spring of '97 when many individuals on the Fractal-Art
Discussion List were doing several versions of a "flower".  (Can't
recall at the moment who's formula and/or parameter started it all.)
But there were many interesting variations that may not have ever been
produced if cycling the colors wasn't allowed to be submitted.

This would make an interesting FractInt contest for the end of the year,
but I would suggest having at least 10 completely different FRM/PAR
combinations.  Then allow each participant only one entry per FRM/PAR,
with a total of three entries.

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: Vyvey Jan <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:10:51 +0200

>I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
>in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS.
>Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or
>sometimes not even draw when I use
>DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI
>All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a
>P166
>Charlie

Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems with fractint (most
of the time with the video) it's because one starts fractint in a dos
box from without WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may
be.

Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly from 100 % pure
DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST.

And if you want to use other operating systems on the same computer, do
as I do and install the software bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER
that gives you the opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95,
WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and want to use. I
have on my PC a partition with DOS622, one with WIN311 and one with
WINNT40. When you want to use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose
the OS and start (without anything resident of course) your OS in the
circumstances that are best for that OS (and fractint runs best in DOS
of course).

Greetings,

Jan



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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 12 Aug 1998 04:24:29 -0500

abraxas wrote:
>
> I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
> in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS.
>

In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month),
there is this reference which might help you:

    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under ù
        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html

P.N.L.
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet
Date: 12 Aug 1998 05:48:06 -0400

Hi Ray,

>>    I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" but was
>> unable to make a connection.  I received a notice "Page Not Found"
>> with three items, only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's
>> name as "Sylvie%2Gallet" rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in
>> the post.  =

>>    Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am =
I
>> drifting in another 'unknown world"?

  The address was correctly posted, with my first and last names separate=
d
by an underscore.  Here it is again:

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet
Date: 12 Aug 1998 05:48:07 -0400

Hi Rui,

>> Great fractal Sylvie...definately need to go there.
>>
>> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/

  Thanks!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 06:23:38 -0400

Hi Paul,

>> I remember in the Spring of '97 when many individuals on the
>> Fractal-Art Discussion List were doing several versions of a
>> "flower".  (Can't recall at the moment who's formula and/or parameter
>> started it all.) =


  The original image was "Orchid" by Jon Noring.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie


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From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT)

> I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate
> because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas
> (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but

Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made
fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method
or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very
strange. Its apparent intent is to allow software developers to patent
their underlying algorithms, but as stated it would allow the inventor
of, say, addition to patent his work. Newton and Leibnitz, had they lived
and worked under this law, would have had to fight for the patent to the
calculus, and once one of them won, no one else could do anything with
calculus without their permission.

This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and
natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being
subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is
the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should
we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on
various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial
competition or something?


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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map
Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:53:59 +0200

At 16:53 11.08.1998 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to
draw. I
>used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these images
>perfectly.
>
>Enjoy~
>
>Jimbo
>



Hi fractinters,


; While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo
; I found a strange behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=FN*Z+Z.
; The "1:1" shows the original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2
and
; ..3 are zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..?
; enjoy,
; Guy





1:1                {
  reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin center-mag=0/0/0.1116625
  params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4
  bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis
  periodicity=0
  colors=I8FA0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\
  0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\
  0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<6>E7E
  }

strange!           {
  reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin
  center-mag=2.31714/3.88884/0.244596 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4
  float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0
  invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=I8FA0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\
  0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\
  0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<6>E7E
  }

strange2           {
  reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin
  center-mag=2.47601/6.54468/0.2601165 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4
  float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0
  invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=I8FA0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\
  0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\
  0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<6>E7E
  }

strange3           {
  reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin
  center-mag=0.789499/-3.00909/0.3900979 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4
  float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0
  invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
  colors=I8FVfV<5>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>za\
  V<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zm\
  m<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ataZmZ
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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:52:58 +0200

>This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and
>natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being
>subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is
>the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should
>we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on
>various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial
>competition or something?

OK OK ... I had stayed out of this copyright discussion until now but
(to quote Dilbert) it's better than working.  I *have* read the
copyright_discussion.doc, at least most of it.

There is a concept in patent law, I believe, about "obvious" ideas not
being patentable.  There is a legitimate question over whether formulae,
colour maps etc are obvious or not. (In line with something Angela said,
this community is probably as advanced as any in exploring these issues
and I think it's worthwhile.)

Good example: I use a "rainbow" colour map quite often for fractal
exploring.  The fact is I copied this map from a fractal posted here,
but I have also created some variants from scratch.  I also created a
smoothly shaded map from black through pure blue to white which I use a
lot.  But neither example could really be considered for patenting - or
copyrighting - because it's quite likely anyone could produce them
independently from the simple ideas.  So I don't feel bad that I've
forgotten whose map I copied originally.

Now, is "z -> z^2+c" obvious?  Is the concept of plotting escape-time
fractals obvious?  Separately they are ... and the fact that no one
Before Mandelbrot knew about the resulting image from combining them was
because of the lack of computing power.

There are surely many formulae and computation methods that are not at
all obvious.  But the question of whether they are "invented" or just
"discovered" is one that has applied to mathematics for a long time.  I
don't know which way to go but a formula carefully crafted for a
specific effect would seem much more legitimately patentable than one
which by chance is found to produce pretty images.

Joe

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From: "John Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:44:33 -0700

Paul, in connection with running FRACTINT under WIN95 you wrote;

>In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month),
>there is this reference which might help you:
>
>    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under
>        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html


Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look at
this reference.
Talk about differences of opinion between the experts!

JAY
For starters, make sure the DOS window properties are set to Misc. | Always
suspend' = off."
DAMIEN
Turn ON Always suspend.

JAY
Also, you can put the Idle Sensitivity to high.
DAMIEN
Set the Idle sensitivity to about 1/4, closest to Low.

Seems to me that the way to go is to create a shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE,
right-click  on it, choose Properties, and fiddle around with all of them,
until you find something that works for you!  I had to re--boot a couple of
times in the process, but the whole thing now runs smoothly on my P166,
(admittedly with 64Mb RAM).

John Wilson




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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT)

>
> Paul, in connection with running FRACTINT under WIN95 you wrote;
>
> >In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month),
> >there is this reference which might help you:
> >
> >    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under
> >        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html
>
> Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look at
> this reference.
> Talk about differences of opinion between the experts!

I recently did this for Win95 and WinNT.  For Win95, I simply created a
shortcut to Fractint.exe.  I used the default settings, which seems to
match one of the suggestions in the above link.  I have had no problems
running Fractint using the shortcut.

I have also run in a DOS window batch files created using partobat.  I
simply minimized the window and let it fly.  I have been able to run
Photoshop, scan photographs, print, play pinball, etc. without any
problem.  Of course, remember to make sure your PATH is set correctly,
etc. for your particular setup.

I think the important thing to realize about running Fractint in
Win95/98/NT is to use a "Render to Disk" video mode.  That is the
safest, especially if you want to do other things while generating
images.

WinNT has been a bit more complicated, and am still ironing out the
details.  If anyone has any questions about NT, they can feel free to
email me privately.



Ken...






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From: "Phil Sasich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 08:26:25 -0700

Recently Ian Kaplan wrote:
>Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made
> fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method
> or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very
> strange......

I've been reading the debate over this with interest. Do you by chance
recall the citation of
the court case or the title or date of the ruling. It would be interesting
to read the rationale in more detail. Thanks for your thoughts and any
further info.
----------
> From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 4:50 AM
>
> > I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate
> > because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math
formulas
> > (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but
>
> Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made

> fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method
> or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very
> strange. Its apparent intent is to allow software developers to patent
> their underlying algorithms, but as stated it would allow the inventor
> of, say, addition to patent his work. Newton and Leibnitz, had they lived

> and worked under this law, would have had to fight for the patent to the
> calculus, and once one of them won, no one else could do anything with
> calculus without their permission.
>
> This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and
> natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being
> subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all?
is
> the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should
> we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on
> various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial
> competition or something?
>
>
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map
Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:39:24 -0400

Bonjour Guy,

>> While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo I found a strange
>> behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=3DFN*Z+Z. The "1:1" shows the
>> original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2 and  ..3 are
>> zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..?
>> enjoy,

  There is nothing strange in this behaviour and it is not a bug, but Jim=

used symmetry=3Dxyaxis whereas these images have no symmetry.  Try removi=
ng
"symmetry=3Dxyaxis" from your pars and you will see the correct images.

  Amicalement,

        - Sylvie

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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 17:39:53 +0200

>> >    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under
>> >        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html
>>
>> Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look
>>at
>> this reference.
>> Talk about differences of opinion between the experts!

The crucial thing seems to be, if you want calculation to continue in
the background while you do other things (and why else are you trying to
run under windows?), you MUST set Misc -  Always suspend to Off.
Otherwise when the DOS session loses focus it gets suspended i.e. no
more calculation!

Also, you "should" use a disk-video mode (low-res real video modes seem
to be OK but not the max for my screen), and you "should" set
textsafe=save in fractint.

Joe

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT)

>
> The crucial thing seems to be, if you want calculation to continue in
> the background while you do other things (and why else are you trying to
> run under windows?), you MUST set Misc -  Always suspend to Off.
> Otherwise when the DOS session loses focus it gets suspended i.e. no
> more calculation!

Yes, I forgot to mention this.  Also, you may need to adjust the Idle
Sensitivity slider to ensure that your DOS session gets CPU while in the
background.  Although, this seems to be more critical under NT, than
95.


Ken...




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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Changing video mode of saved GIF in batch?
Date: 12 Aug 1998 18:02:08 +0200

I can't work this out but I hope there's a solution.

If I have a long running fractal I can save it, set askvideo=yes,
restore it and select a disk-video mode with the same dimensions, and it
will carry on calculating.  Later I can do the reverse and see the
result.  (Why would I want to do this ... to run in background under
windows while reading other mail!)

If I have 100 long running fractals I can generate them all from scratch
in a disk-video mode with partobat. ... But how can I change them to a
real-video mode in batch?   All command line video= parameters seem to
be ignored when loading using filename= and batch=yes.

thanks
Joe

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:11:20 -0500

John,

 - Talk about differences of opinion between the experts!
 - >Turn ON Always suspend.

The differences between the advice Jay and I give reflect two different
uses of FractInt.  So let me explain a bit.

FractInt stores your fractal image *only* in the memory on your video card,
while it's drawing.  Now, if you are using FractInt under Windows 95, if
you switch away from it, Windows will reset your display mode back to what
it was before you ran FractInt, and redraw your desktop.  *poof!*  Your
fractal image--which FractInt expects to be safe in video RAM--is now gone.
 When you switch back to FractInt, you will usually find a corrupt screen
and you'll have to regenerate the image.

If you have a nice display driver, you may be able to switch away from
FractInt and back to it and not get a corrupt screen.  This is very
dependent on your video card, driver, the mode you're running Windows in,
and the mode you're using FractInt in.  You will simply have to experiment
and see if it works.  *IF* you can switch away and back without corrupting
your screen, this is when the "Always Suspend" setting becomes critical.
If you're in Windows, but FractInt is permitted to continue generating when
you switch away from it, it will try to write to video memory as it
draws... which Windows will throw away.  When you switch back, you will be
missing not only the part of the fractal that was drawn while you were
switched away, but you will likely find that FractInt begins drawing over
other parts of your fractal as well for a while.  So you turn ON always
suspend, so that when you switch away, FractInt will be paused.

If you CAN'T switch away and back without corrupting the screen, and Always
Suspend is already turned on, then you should put textsafe=save in your
SSTOOLS.INI file and remember to hit the TAB key before switching away from
FractInt.  This will force FractInt itself to save the contents of video
memory when you switch to a text mode (the TAB key will do this) so that it
doesn't have to rely on Windows to do it for you.  You can then switch back
to Windows, and to FractInt, without corrupting your fractal image.  You
must simply remember to switch to a text mode before you leave FractInt.

The Idle Sensitivity setting plays a different role.  What the Idle
Sensitivity setting does is tell Windows how quickly it should assume
FractInt is "idle", and give more processor time to other things that are
running.  The problem here is that Windows' definition of "Idle" is that
you're not typing away in the program.  FractInt is usually churning away
even when you're not pressing keys, so you don't want Windows to consider
it "Idle" just because it's not getting key input.

Sometimes you may want to render a large fractal, using one of the
disk-video modes.  In this case, it is OK to let FractInt run in the
background because it's not trying to write to video memory.  The easiest
thing to do here is start it running in a disk-video mode, then hit
ALT+ENTER to switch it to a windowed mode.  On the toolbar of this window
is an icon that shows two windows; this is the "Background" setting and
it's the opposite of "Always Suspend".  If this button is selected,
FractInt will run even when you switch to other tasks.  Just remember to
deselect this button and hit ALT+ENTER to full-screen FractInt before you
exit it, as Windows usually remembers the settings you used last.

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:15:56 -0500

Joe,

 - if you want calculation to continue in the background while you do
 - other things (and why else are you trying to run under windows?)

One big reason: if you do everything else under Windows, it is a major pain
in the arse to reboot into DOS just because you want to try something in
FractInt.  If I had had to reboot every time I wanted to explore fractals,
I would have abandoned FractInt a *long* time ago.

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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 09:43:52 -0700

I ran this past Angela, and she thought I should bring it up here.

I just ran across the very issue that is being debated on the List.
Someone posted a fractal to abpf.  Although it is not identical, I think
it may be a derivative of one that I posted in 1996.  A shallow zoom and
slight rotation into mine gets me to the other fractal.  Even the
colormap is the one I used when I made my posting.  It is a case of
recognizing your own work, even when slightly altered.

I think Tim is right, inasmuch as some of the Fractint formulas with
default parameters can produce VERY similar, if not identical, fractals.
Those "honest" similarities are rare, but will happen.  If another
colormap had been used, I might not even doubt the originality of the
second image.  However, when the two fractals use the same original
colormap . . .

I can't be certain it isn't the original work of the other artist.  And
I won't be leveling any accusations.  But I have my own secret doubts.
That fractal is not one that I've sold, but it is in the same family as
"Through Neptune's Window," which I sold to Avalanche Publishing for the
2000 Fractal Universe Calendar.  Financial loss hasn't occurred, but the
possibility exists.

Anyway, I thought I would mention that the theoretical does happen!
Linda


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 12:56:44 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> I agree with Angela.  And just to set the record straight, the code says
> that copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not.  Only
> damages are affected by that.

Actually, the nature of the copyright violation is also affected by
that -- if you make a few copies for fun, it's a civil violation, but
if you make a few copies for money, it's a criminal violation.

Nevertheless, the purpose of the copyright law is to encourage the
progress of science and the useful arts, as set down in the
Constitution, by securing to creators for a limited time the exclusive
rights to the profits from their creation.  And that's what it does.

> Copyright has rights under the law.  Even "fair use" has some rights
> under the law.

For now.  If Congress passes the current "WIPO implementation" bill,
fair use will be dead.

Kragen


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet
Date: 12 Aug 1998 13:39:01 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Ray Montgomery wrote:
> make a connection.  I received a notice "Page Not Found" with three items,
> only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's name as "Sylvie%2Gallet"
> rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in the post.
>     Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am I
> drifting in another 'unknown world"?

Spaces aren't allowed in URLs.  In fact, most characters aren't.  In
order to put them in somehow, there's this percent encoding -- you can
express any character as a % followed by two characters.  %20 is
space.

I don't know whether the address is incorrectly posted.

Kragen


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From: Tim Gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) I need some quick help...
Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:05:14 -0700

I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the
special GIF Header information is preserved.  All I'm doing is opening
images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop
to save them.  Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon.

But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff.
And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes.  So, can someone
download my test image from:

http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF

and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff?

This would help me out tons...

thanks,

-= tim gilman



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   Yet we chase after it all the same."           - J. Lacan


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From: "John Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:14:53 -0700

Great tips and explanations from all.  Thank you from one grateful
list-member!

John.


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help...
Date: 12 Aug 1998 13:31:02 -0500

Tim,

 - All I'm doing is opening images from a CD a friend of mine made
 - (DOS-format) and using Photoshop to save them.

That is enough to remove the extra FractInt information.  Photoshop won't
preserve the extra info at all.  FractInt cannot recover parameter
information from your test image.

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From: "John Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help...
Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:51:41 -0700

You wrote:

>But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff.
>And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes.  So, can someone
>download my test image from:
>
>http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF
>
>and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff?


Sorry!   No dice!   This is no longer a fractal.


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail
Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:41:53 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> What's the WIPO implementation bill?  I'm interested.

WIPO is the World Intellectual Property Organization.  It just ratified
a treaty giving yet more rights to intellectual-property-rights owners
and taking away yet more rights from intellectual-property users.

The WIPO implementation bill implements these further restrictions for
the US, and several others.  Among other things, it would make it
illegal to circumvent any copy-protection -- even if you would legally
have the right to get at what's behind the copy protection.  So
copy-protection measures will come to have the force of law.  The
extent of intellectual-property law will be determined only by
intellectual-property owners and by what is technologically plausible,
no longer by Congress or the courts.

Under pressure from scientists and computer folks, Congress added
language permitting reverse-engineering under certain restricted
circumstances.

You can find more information at
<URL:http://www.eff.org/effector/HTML/effect11.08.html> and
<URL:http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/daily/980805b.html>.

Kragen


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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map
Date: 12 Aug 1998 23:36:09 +0200

At 11:39 12.08.1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Bonjour Guy,
>
>>> While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo I found a strange
>>> behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=FN*Z+Z. The "1:1" shows the
>>> original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2 and  ..3 are
>>> zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..?
>>> enjoy,
>
>  There is nothing strange in this behaviour and it is not a bug, but Jim
>used symmetry=xyaxis whereas these images have no symmetry.  Try removing
>"symmetry=xyaxis" from your pars and you will see the correct images.

Thanks Sylvie, you're right!
By the way, nice homepage you got! From a few of your fractals I will try
to make some films..
At the moment I am playing around with 3D-IFS and 3D-ICONS.. Is there
anybody in this list, having experienced with both of them? Or are there
little helping programs (like IFSSPELL.EXE) but for 3D (fractint) rendering?

Cheers,

Guy


>
>  Amicalement,
>
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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 12 Aug 1998 16:05:05 -0700

I thought I'd update you one the similar fractals I mentioned earlier.

I wrote:
>I think Tim is right, inasmuch as some of the Fractint formulas with
>default parameters can produce VERY similar, if not identical,
fractals.
>Those "honest" similarities are rare, but will happen.

Apparently that is the case, here.  The other artist wrote to say:

>>>This is incredible. Fractals are like DNA, practically
irreproducible,
but yours Linda and mine (I generated it myself, working for hours on
colours) are practically identical in concept and colour. Just a few
days ago I didn't know you exist and now I posted a picture that may be
called a plagiarism. I apologize, that certainly was not my
intention.<<<

I accept his explanation and wrote to him:

>>No need for an apology, Tom!  Similarities like this are rare, but are
possible!
Since it's not plagiarism, there is no need to apologize.  Instead, I
say, "Nice image, Tom,"   :-))<<

Linda


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From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help...
Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:08:20 -0500

Tim,

If worked fine on my end.

Earl Simpson


-----Original Message-----


>I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the
>special GIF Header information is preserved.  All I'm doing is opening
>images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop
>to save them.  Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon.
>
>But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff.
>And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes.  So, can someone
>download my test image from:
>
>http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF
>
>and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff?
>
>This would help me out tons...
>
>thanks,
>
>-= tim gilman
>
>
>
>  "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie.
>   Yet we chase after it all the same."           - J. Lacan
>
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From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help...
Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:22:23 -0500

Tim,

It worked fine here, as far as reproducing it, but the data itself is gone.
Shows up as a plasma fractal.

Earl  Simpson


-----Original Message-----


>I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the
>special GIF Header information is preserved.  All I'm doing is opening
>images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop
>to save them.  Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon.
>
>But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff.
>And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes.  So, can someone
>download my test image from:
>
>http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF
>
>and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff?
>
>This would help me out tons...
>
>thanks,
>
>-= tim gilman
>
>
>
>  "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie.
>   Yet we chase after it all the same."           - J. Lacan
>
>
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From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help...
Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:22:23 -0500

Tim,

It worked fine here, as far as reproducing it, but the data itself is gone.
Shows up as a plasma fractal.

Earl  Simpson


-----Original Message-----


>I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the
>special GIF Header information is preserved.  All I'm doing is opening
>images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop
>to save them.  Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon.
>
>But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff.
>And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes.  So, can someone
>download my test image from:
>
>http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF
>
>and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff?
>
>This would help me out tons...
>
>thanks,
>
>-= tim gilman
>
>
>
>  "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie.
>   Yet we chase after it all the same."           - J. Lacan
>
>
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From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 12 Aug 1998 23:15:32 -0400

Fractint 19.6 DOS does not run under NT; I could only
get it to draw in the background to disk.

-----Original Message-----


>>
>> The crucial thing seems to be, if you want calculation to continue in
>> the background while you do other things (and why else are you trying to
>> run under windows?), you MUST set Misc -  Always suspend to Off.
>> Otherwise when the DOS session loses focus it gets suspended i.e. no
>> more calculation!
>
>Yes, I forgot to mention this.  Also, you may need to adjust the Idle
>Sensitivity slider to ensure that your DOS session gets CPU while in the
>background.  Although, this seems to be more critical under NT, than
>95.
>
>
>Ken...
>
>
>
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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo
Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:22:02 -1000

Don't know about you, but Fractint 19.6 runs quite
happily under OS/2 for us, with no need for booting DOS.
Unfortunately, can't do the same thing on the same
hardware with W95! ;-)

And why spend money for System Commander when OS/2's Boot
Manager works just fine?

On 12 Aug 98 at 10:10, Vyvey Jan wrote:

> Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems
> with fractint (most of the time with the video) it's
> because one starts fractint in a dos box from without
> WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may be.
>
> Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly
> from 100 % pure DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST.
>
> And if you want to use other operating systems on the
> same computer, do as I do and install the software
> bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER that gives you the
> opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95,
> WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and
> want to use. I have on my PC a partition with DOS622,
> one with WIN311 and one with WINNT40. When you want to
> use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose the OS and
> start (without anything resident of course) your OS in
> the circumstances that are best for that OS (and
> fractint runs best in DOS of course).

Another blast of bits from David
Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/
Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.



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From: Vyvey Jan <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo
Date: 13 Aug 1998 08:10:29 +0200

I agree.

When you have only one OS on your PC, you really don't need System
Commander.
Again we see that Micrsoft tries to do what others (OS/2,..) already do
for years.

Jan
>
>Don't know about you, but Fractint 19.6 runs quite
>happily under OS/2 for us, with no need for booting DOS.
>Unfortunately, can't do the same thing on the same
>hardware with W95! ;-)
>
>And why spend money for System Commander when OS/2's Boot
>Manager works just fine?
>
>On 12 Aug 98 at 10:10, Vyvey Jan wrote:
>
>> Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems
>> with fractint (most of the time with the video) it's
>> because one starts fractint in a dos box from without
>> WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may be.
>>
>> Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly
>> from 100 % pure DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST.
>>
>> And if you want to use other operating systems on the
>> same computer, do as I do and install the software
>> bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER that gives you the
>> opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95,
>> WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and
>> want to use. I have on my PC a partition with DOS622,
>> one with WIN311 and one with WINNT40. When you want to
>> use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose the OS and
>> start (without anything resident of course) your OS in
>> the circumstances that are best for that OS (and
>> fractint runs best in DOS of course).
>
>Another blast of bits from David
>Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/
>Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/
>For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]
>
>Random Thought for this Nanosecond
>Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.
>
>
>
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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 10:05:47 +0200

Here's something I've only just noticed.  Disk-video calculation seems
to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real
video. Is this generally true and if so why?

Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged
myself):
       Under windows   Command prompt only
       real     disk     real     disk
1       2.42    20.48     1.98    13.24
2       3.79    20.49     2.91    14.17
3      39.17  1:00.37    27.18    40.42
4    4:46.87  5:31.59  4:22.71  4:46.43

By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run
fractint!  Looks like there is a real speed advantage.  Maybe I'll be
using it more, but only for batch generation overnight.

Joe

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From: Vyvey Jan <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 11:55:48 +0200

Joe,

You're right
You have to consider two aspects:
- disk access "IS" always slower dan video access
- it depends also of your calculation method (tesseral, guessing,
boundary, ...)

Jan

>
>Here's something I've only just noticed.  Disk-video calculation seems
>to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real
>video. Is this generally true and if so why?
>
>Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged
>myself):
>       Under windows   Command prompt only
>       real     disk     real     disk
>1       2.42    20.48     1.98    13.24
>2       3.79    20.49     2.91    14.17
>3      39.17  1:00.37    27.18    40.42
>4    4:46.87  5:31.59  4:22.71  4:46.43
>
>By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run
>fractint!  Looks like there is a real speed advantage.  Maybe I'll be
>using it more, but only for batch generation overnight.
>
>Joe
>

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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:09:41 +0200

Jan, you too are right ... but doesn't fractint's "disk-video" mode use
memory not disk?  I don't see any disk activity while it's calculating.
All examples given are using solid guessing.

Joe

>Joe,
>
>You're right
>You have to consider two aspects:
>- disk access "IS" always slower dan video access
>- it depends also of your calculation method (tesseral, guessing,
>boundary, ...)
>
>Jan
>
>>
>>Here's something I've only just noticed.  Disk-video calculation seems
>>to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real
>>video. Is this generally true and if so why?
>>
>>Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged
>>myself):
>>       Under windows   Command prompt only
>>       real     disk     real     disk
>>1       2.42    20.48     1.98    13.24
>>2       3.79    20.49     2.91    14.17
>>3      39.17  1:00.37    27.18    40.42
>>4    4:46.87  5:31.59  4:22.71  4:46.43
>>
>>By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run
>>fractint!  Looks like there is a real speed advantage.  Maybe I'll be
>>using it more, but only for batch generation overnight.
>>
>>Joe
>

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:31:50 +0200

Joe wrote:

>Here's something I've only just noticed.  Disk-video calculation seems
>to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real
>video. Is this generally true and if so why?

I guess it's because fractint writes directly to the disk, which is a lot
slower than to video ram. I don't use disk video modes often (fractint works
fine for me in 9x - until I press the windows button or something like the
really annoying 'Disk Low - Clean up disk' message of win98), but when i do, i
copy the fractint directory to a ramdisk and execute it from there. I believe
this works.
The dos ramdrives - i think they aren't supplied with dos7.x anymore - need
usually be loaded from config.sys and although i use dos6.21 ramdrive.sys,
windows works fine with these.
When you install the ramdisk, make sure to set the command line parameters
right. Oh, and it might be a good idea if you choose a drive letter that
exceeds your cdrom drives etc.

Christian



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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo
Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:23:24 +0200

Jan wrote:

>I agree.
>
>When you have only one OS on your PC, you really don't need System
>Commander.
>Again we see that Micrsoft tries to do what others (OS/2,..) already do
>for years.


Microsoft? Well, syscom isn't Microsofts, is it?

I don't think Microsoft will ever implement something like syscom or OS/2
bootman into windows 9x. Okay, there is the lousy multiboot=1, but that just
allows you to start an older version of DOS. A Microsoft bootman would only
encourage people to use different OSes but windows...

I make use of setver to use older dos programs from dos 7.1. And I use loadlin
to load Linux. If you have windows NT, there's also some 'boot manager' that
will allow you to go to dos. If you have OS/2, you get a not-too-bad boot
manager. I believe the winNT bootman allows you to start other dos versions
from other drives.
So if you just use Win9x, OS/2, linux, winNT and DOS, there is in most cases
no need for system commander. You will need a bootman though, if you keep
multiple DOS versions (>2 [including 7.1] when having win9x, no NT; >1 if you
have NT) on *ONE* drive.
I personally have used Syscom 3.00/3.07/3.09 for quite a while. I'm awaiting a
copy of 4.0. I have also used winNT's 'bootman' and - last bot not least -
LILO, the LInux LOader.

Christian

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Datum: donderdag 13 augustus 1998 8:19
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From: Vyvey Jan <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:57:11 +0200

Joe,

Yes, that's right, I was a little bit to quick to answer you.
The reason might be the memory size of the buffer window (which you can
see on the screen) that is used to access the extended memory of the PC.
On my PC it is always 48 Kb but the limit should be 64 Kb according to
the fractint.doc file. In the doc file they say that this amount of
memory has a great influence on the speed of the "disk video modes".

Perhaps the programmers of fractint know the answer

Jan
>
>Jan, you too are right ... but doesn't fractint's "disk-video" mode use
>memory not disk?  I don't see any disk activity while it's calculating.
>All examples given are using solid guessing.
>
>Joe
>
>>Joe,
>>
>>You're right
>>You have to consider two aspects:
>>- disk access "IS" always slower dan video access
>>- it depends also of your calculation method (tesseral, guessing,
>>boundary, ...)
>>
>>Jan
>>
>>>
>>>Here's something I've only just noticed.  Disk-video calculation seems
>>>to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real
>>>video. Is this generally true and if so why?
>>>
>>>Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged
>>>myself):
>>>       Under windows   Command prompt only
>>>       real     disk     real     disk
>>>1       2.42    20.48     1.98    13.24
>>>2       3.79    20.49     2.91    14.17
>>>3      39.17  1:00.37    27.18    40.42
>>>4    4:46.87  5:31.59  4:22.71  4:46.43
>>>
>>>By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run
>>>fractint!  Looks like there is a real speed advantage.  Maybe I'll be
>>>using it more, but only for batch generation overnight.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>
>
>

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map
Date: 13 Aug 1998 07:05:59 -0400

Hi Guy,

>> By the way, nice homepage you got!

  Thanks!

>> From a few of your fractals I will try to make some films..

  Do you mean that you will make FLIs as you did last year from some of m=
y
tri-mandel images?

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 13 Aug 1998 10:47:08 -0300

> Turner Rentz[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote :
>=20
>>>Fractint 19.6 DOS does not run under NT; I could only
>>>get it to draw in the background to disk.

I got Fractint for DOS v19.6 happily running under NT 4.0 (on a HP
Vectra)
BTW, did anybody try to run Fractint for DOS on Alpha NT (with FX32) ?

OK, here=B4s my first contribution to this list. A bit depressing...

Winter2            { ; (c) Miguel Fliguer
  reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia passes=3D1

center-mag=3D+0.00616407940066360/+0.00175888870125888/2.909761e+011/0.0=
75
\
  57/84.251/-9.893 params=3D-1.479875585064292/0.001104533672332764
  float=3Dy inside=3Dmaxiter logmap=3Dyes =
colors=3D000JJJ<77>000zzz<174>KKK
  }

---
Miguel Fliguer
Miniphone S.A. - Buenos Aires, Argentina
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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Pars for the course
Date: 13 Aug 1998 14:43:15 -0500

Julia_37           { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998
  reset=1960 type=julzpower passes=1
  center-mag=+0.00000000000000014/-0.00000000000000010/1550.388
  params=-1.940373981667924/-4.550284839423544e-011/2.00005/0 float=y
  maxiter=900 inside=bof60 distest=-1/71/768/768 symmetry=xyaxis
  periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0
  colors=zzz70D<2>407zzz<15>0QZ0S`0Uc<12>068zzz<15>Z0Z`0`c0c<12>808zzz<15>\
  Kg0Lj0Nn0<12>470zzz<15>e04h05<13>301zzz<15>90eA0h<13>206zzz<15>sW0wZ0<13\
  >850zzz<15>0C00D0<13>020wwx<14>E0SF0UH0X<8>80F cyclerange=1/1
  }

Julia_38           { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998
  reset=1960 type=julzpower passes=1
  center-mag=-1.66533e-016/1.38778e-016/3.036929/1.75
  params=0.3711821175160565/0.06131124728620179/2.1/0 float=y
  maxiter=600 inside=bof60 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0
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  <5>000 cyclerange=1/1
  }



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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map
Date: 13 Aug 1998 23:46:23 +0200


Hi Sylvie,


>  Do you mean that you will make FLIs as you did last year from some of my
>tri-mandel images?

Yes, some transformations of originals per continuous alteration of
parameters.. I'm gonna send you the batch via privat email (if you like).



  Cheers,


         Guy



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From: "Regina & Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) corrupting pictures
Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:07:44 +1000

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Dear all,
=20
Thank you for all the advice regarding corrupt pictures. At the moment I =
have decided to use the quick fix - ie run under DOS only, which is a =
pain as my main operating system is Win95, soon to be Win98. Which means =
I won't use it all that often. Who has time to muck about & reboot... (I =
hope to get around to getting it working on Win95 or 98)
=20
My question arose because:

the default video mode doesn't work at all... the arrow keys stop =
responding after viewing a picture as do the other keys, ie F1 - help, =
(at least the mouse still worked), the picture then becomes corrupt, I =
can't save what I do without it becoming corrupt -I have to shutdown or =
as I later found out Ctr-Alt-Del allows me to terminate fractint without =
shuting down the whole machine. Has anyone else heard of this =
experience? Will Fractint be doing something so that the default is one =
that doesn't cause this problem...most other video modes don't have this =
effect, but newbies don't always know what to look for. and it is so =
easy to press the <enter> key by accident and go straight to drawing a =
fractal......

It was almost enough for me to give up on fractint. I read about the =
video mode questions here and thought - maybe there is a solution ( I =
had in fact given up on fractint) I wonder how many people find this and =
do give up.. there are plenty of programs available for Win95 which work =
without thinking.

I currently use a new computer, new operating system, and find the =
documentation almost nonexistent. Software tends to be try and =
see......and all of my other DOS programs worked without a hitch.
=20
Fractint 19.6: What version of DOS (MS-DOS) is this written for anyway? =
What is the future since DOS is just an old operating system of =
Microsofts (this is the opinion of everyone I know)?


         ......................... now for that illusive million dollar =
fractal..........

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Win98.=20
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arrow keys=20
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help, (at=20
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save=20
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found=20
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whole=20
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doing=20
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problem...most=20
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what to=20
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solution ( I=20
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do give=20
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thinking.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I currently use a new computer, new =
operating=20
system, and find the documentation almost nonexistent. Software tends to =
be try=20
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hitch.</FONT></DIV>
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operating=20
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know)?</FONT></DIV>
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) corrupting pictures
Date: 14 Aug 1998 05:13:36 -0400

Hi Regina,

>> Thank you for all the advice regarding corrupt pictures. At the
>> moment I have decided to use the quick fix - ie run under DOS only,
>> which is a pain as my main operating system is Win95, soon to be
>> Win98. Which means I won't use it all that often. Who has time to
>> muck about & reboot... (I hope to get around to getting it working on
>> Win95 or 98)
<snip>

  First of all, I'd like to suggest you to make sure you have the latest
drivers available for your video card.  Then, you might want to try
vesa2cfg.exe, downladable from my homepage at CompuServe (at the bottom o=
f
gallery 1, see the URL below).  If you don't know how to update your
fractint.cfg, e-mail me the text file created by vesa2cfg (qpv.cfg) and
I'll do it for you.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

 E-mail:
   [e-mail]
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   http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/
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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??
Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Vyvey Jan wrote:
> Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly from 100 % pure
> DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST.

I don't want to reboot just so I can run Fractint.  At least not most
of the time.

It works well enough in dosemu that I'm satisfied most of the time.  (I
just wish I could get color-cycling to work! :)

Kragen


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: (fractint) [rootshell] Security Bulletin #22 (fwd)
Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT)

I know people don't usually talk about security on this list, but you
guys ought to know about this, since so many of you use ICQ.

Impact: anyone can log into the ICQ server as you without knowing your
password, knowing only your UIN, simply by trying any 9-character
password.  They will be you, for all intents and purposes.  This hadn't
come to light previously because the ICQ clients that Mirabilis made
would chop off the password at 8 characters before sending it to the
server.

ICQ (server, client, and the protocol in between) is grossly insecure
-- this is only the latest kindergarten-level security hole to be
found, and by no means the most serious.

Kragen

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just got this news from rootshell, i havent seen it on bugtraq, so i
forward it... btw this one is serious...

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>Subject: [rootshell] Security Bulletin #22
>
>
>www.rootshell.com
>Security Bulletin #22
>August 13th, 1998
>
>[ http://www.rootshell.com/ ]
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>01. ICQ Password Verification Bug
>---------------------------------
>
>It appears that ICQ has yet another bug.  This was just sent in from one of
>our users.  This bug has been confirmed by Rootshell.
>
>>From [e-mail] Thu Aug 13 22:34:42 1998
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:25:49 -0300
>From: zack <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Major ICQ security hole.
>
>Greetings...
>
>I code a linux ICQ clone, and after one of my users mistyped his
>password, and was allowed into his account anyway.  After further
>investivating, this is what I found.
>
>* It is possible to log in to the ICQ servers as ANYONE without having
>to know their password.  This leads to all sorts of comprimises.  This
>is *not* simply spoofing
>
>How it works:
>
>The mirabilis server uses a password of 8 chars.  Their clients do the
>range checking and only send in passwords of 8 or less chars.  The Linux
>clones, mine in particular, don't do this.
>
>* When a password of 9 or more characters is sent, their buffer is
>over-run, and it allows you to log in.
>
>
>The exploit:
>
>Download any ICQ clone (example: http://hookah.ml.org/zicq)
>
>Set the UIN to be the targets UIN
>Set the password to "123456789" <-- Just large enough to overflow
>
>Start the ICQ program.  If all goes well, it will log in and connect, as
>that user.  Any waiting (offline) messages will be delivered to you.
>You can now send _and_ recieve messages and URLS as the client allows.
>
>Notes:
>
>This is NOT spoofing, you are actually logged in as the selected UIN.
>Unlike spoofing you can recieve messages as well.
>
>All UINS will work, as long as someone is not already logged in with
>that UIN.
>
>Mirabilis / AOL really needs to fix this problem.
>
>Zack
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 14 Aug 1998 13:04:05 -0400

Like many Fractint users, I have zillions of PARs in various files. Way=
 too
may PARS and way too many files. I?d like to get some insight (from my
entire collection) into which particular formulas and their primary
parameters are giving me the best results. So here's a request for folk=
s on
the Fractint list.

Does anyone know of a utility that will parse PARs? I?d like to extract=
 a
flat-file from PARs that would contain the PARname, formulaname, P1/P2/=
P3,
fn1/fn2/fn3/fn4, and maybe one or two other parameters.

If I could get such a flat-file, I?d import it into a spreadsheet and t=
hen
sort by formulaname and PARname. I know the PARnames that go with my be=
tter
fractals, so maybe if I saw them in clusters with sets of Pn?s or fn?s,=
 I
would get some clues to where to concentrate my efforts.

I try to be an organized person, but I fail at keeping organized so oft=
en
that I know that I need tools to help. If anyone knows of this type of
tool, or something that can be bent to do the job, I?d love to hear abo=
ut
it. I'd be personally interested in a utility that runs on a PC since
that's my current platform. (I'm sure there's some neat UNIX scripts, e=
tc.
that could work, but I couldn't use them.)

TIA

Bill Decker
=



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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 14 Aug 1998 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT)

>
> Like many Fractint users, I have zillions of PARs in various files. Way too
> may PARS and way too many files. I?d like to get some insight (from my
> entire collection) into which particular formulas and their primary
> parameters are giving me the best results. So here's a request for folks on
> the Fractint list.
>
> Does anyone know of a utility that will parse PARs? I?d like to extract a
> flat-file from PARs that would contain the PARname, formulaname, P1/P2/P3,
> fn1/fn2/fn3/fn4, and maybe one or two other parameters.
>
> If I could get such a flat-file, I?d import it into a spreadsheet and then
> sort by formulaname and PARname. I know the PARnames that go with my better
> fractals, so maybe if I saw them in clusters with sets of Pn?s or fn?s, I
> would get some clues to where to concentrate my efforts.
>
> I try to be an organized person, but I fail at keeping organized so often
> that I know that I need tools to help. If anyone knows of this type of
> tool, or something that can be bent to do the job, I?d love to hear about
> it. I'd be personally interested in a utility that runs on a PC since
> that's my current platform. (I'm sure there's some neat UNIX scripts, etc.
> that could work, but I couldn't use them.)

If you have some programming experience, the quickest solution is
probably to use PERL to write a script that would take PAR file(s) as
input, parse the individual PARs, and output the information that you
want to track.  There are versions of PERL that will run on PC
platforms.


Ken...






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From: gilbert Donchez <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) first message
Date: 14 Aug 1998 22:16:44 +0200

Hello,
I'm using Fractint for several years and I'm very thankfull for all of
those who are contributed to do Fractint as it is. Thanks too to Michael
Peters and George Martin for Partobat and Orgform  and thanks for all of
you in the list who give interesting informations in your messages.
Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula :

dentelle           { ; ;
                     ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez [e-mail]

                     ; formule Sylvie Gallet  -gallet-6-01.frm-
                     ; Aug 14, 1998  0:00:41.73 640x480 Cyrix 5x86
100Mhz
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01
  function=sin/cabs/tan passes=3
  center-mag=-6.78174/1.60984/0.6840086/0.9355/-10.983/-50.821
  params=-2/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=atan
  decomp=256

colors=000H3G<8>000<14>I1NJ1PI1N<14>000<15>uFC<12>B32FCA411000<15>lX4<11\


>C81005<2>004134<14>Kny<5>CWb7TZ<12>7TZJ01<9>t02<15>000<15>0xE<15>000<2>\

  26B28E28E28E28E18E<3>28E7Pi28E8Tp8Vt<15>000<15>U5S<5>J3H
  }

harem              { ; ;
                     ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez [e-mail]

                     ; Sylvie Gallet  -gallet-6-01.frm-
                     ; Aug 14, 1998  0:01:55.50 640x480 Cyrix 5x86
100Mhz
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01
  function=exp/cos/atan passes=3
  center-mag=-2.20127/-2.35927/0.04807692/1.7999/-133.724/-1.887
  params=-2/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=atan
  decomp=256

colors=000011000<41>LLLLMLKLK<39>010000011<41>Bqv<40>011000011<40>2_x2`y\

  2_x<38>023
  }

libellule          { ; ;
                     ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez [e-mail]

                     ; Sylvie Gallet  -gallet-6-01.frm-
                     ; Aug 14, 1998  0:00:22.79 580x435 Cyrix 5x86
100Mhz
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01
  function=log/atan/zero passes=3
  center-mag=0.0899392/0.157419/1.734237/1/164.999
  params=-2/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=epsiloncross
  outside=summ invert=1/0/0 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435

colors=000ZR6UN5<4>000<2>I90NC0TE0YH0bK0gM0kO0nQ0rS0tT0vU0<3>W00<4>nQ0kO\


0gM0<2>TE0NC0I90C60630000<2>0I90NC0TF0YI0bK0gM0kP0nR0rS0tU0vV0xV0yW0yW0y\


W0xV2262262262260kP<18>zWW<17>A88777444<14>zz0<16>C06603611<2>O44U55Z66c\


77h88l99pAAsBBuBBxBByCCzCCzCC<2>xBBuBBsBB<3>0zz<2>O44<3>000<2>7E39J4BN5D\


R6FV7<2>KdAMgBNiBNjB<2>WGG<4>MgBKdAJa9<4>9J4226492241000<3>99O<31>zz0<3>\

  hZ8la9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpdA<2>cV7
  }

firebird           { ; ;
                     ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez [e-mail]

                     ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm-
                     ; Aug 14, 1998  0:00:28.39 580x435 Cyrix 5x86
100Mhz
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01
  function=sinh/tanh/cosxx passes=3
  center-mag=4.85231/-5.05488/2.416651/-0.9336/280.777/-6.201
  params=0/3/-1/2/3.15/-5 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=atan
  invert=1/5/-5 decomp=256 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435

colors=000<47>222222322422<60>v00w00v00<13>n00n00o20<13>zU0zW0yU0<13>Y42\

  W22W22<45>544444444444<36>555555444<4>000
  }

gemme_de_feu       { ; ;
                     ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez [e-mail]

                     ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm-
                     ; Aug 14, 1998  0:00:42.29 580x435 Cyrix 5x86
100Mhz
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01
  function=sin/atan/atan passes=3
  center-mag=-1.54535/1.32692/0.221722/1.0741/-45.612/1.887
  params=3/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=epsiloncross
  outside=atan distest=-5/71/580/435 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435

colors=000<14>K00L00L00<43>r00s00t00t00s00s00<11>n00m00n10<45>yT0zU0yU0<\

  29>jF0jF0iE1iD1<11>Z31Y31X22X22Y22<44>z00z00y00<30>000
  }

l'oeuf             { ; ;
                     ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez [e-mail]

                     ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm-
                     ; Aug 14, 1998  0:00:16.04 580x435 Cyrix 5x86
100Mhz
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=gallet-6-01
  function=log/atan/zero passes=3
  center-mag=-8.41739/-7.64244/0.05184978/-1/224.998
  params=-2/-9/9/0/5/-5 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=summ
  viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435

colors=000kkp<10>44N000<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z\

  <15>000<15>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<2>0o0<60>zzz<2>oor
  }

            Regards
                            Gilbert

Gilbert Donchez
Grenoble - France
[e-mail]




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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 17:31:03 -0600

Joe asked:

> Here's something I've only just noticed.  Disk-video calculation seems
> to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real
> video. Is this generally true and if so why?

As others have said, writing to disk is much slower tan writing to video
memory. Matters are made even worse in guessing mode, because the reading
and writing location in the file jumps around. We have added some caching
logic that makes it much faster than it might otherwise be.

I expect you will find passes=1 symmetry=none makes the speed difference
between disk and regular video much less, because in this case the file is
written sequentially.

There is good news, though. The slowdown is on a per-pixel basis, so the
slowdown for any resolution is essentially a constant based on that resolution;
it doesn't get worse as the fractal gets slower. (I say "essentially" because in
guessing mode the slowdown cannot be easily predicted since it depends on
the particular colors.)

Tim




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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) first message
Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:57:13 -0400

Hi Gilbert,

  Welcome aboard!

>> Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula :

  Thanks for sharing.  Very nice images!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT)

>
> Like many Fractint users, I have zillions of PARs in various files. Way too
> may PARS and way too many files. I?d like to get some insight (from my
> entire collection) into which particular formulas and their primary
> parameters are giving me the best results. So here's a request for folks on
> the Fractint list.
>
> Does anyone know of a utility that will parse PARs? I?d like to extract a
> flat-file from PARs that would contain the PARname, formulaname, P1/P2/P3,
> fn1/fn2/fn3/fn4, and maybe one or two other parameters.

Whaddaya know, I found one.  :-)

Following is a very crude PERL script (since I'm not a PERL expert)
that will take a list of .PAR files, and spit out the contents of
the individual pars like:

jo_we_01.par,jowe0101,formula,_k.frm,wiltetrate,0/0/0/0/0/0

which is

filename, par name, type, formula file, formula, params

Those familiar with PERL could easily change the script to output
different fields, change the order, etc.

I did not extensively test it, so I can't guarantee there won't be any
problems.  It should run on a Win version of PERL, but I can't test that
option.  All the rest of the standard disclaimers apply, use at your own
risk, unsupported, no implied or actual warranties, etc.

If anyone decides to improve it, feel free to do so.  Just please send
me a copy if you do.  Other than that, have fun with it.  I hope it can
be found useful.


Ken...

===================


#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#
# parsePar.pl
#
# Parse .PAR files into a format that could be imported to a spreadsheet
#

$pars = "";

#
# Parse command line arguments.
#
while (@ARGV) {

    $_ = shift (@ARGV);
    print $_ . "\n";
    if (/^-v/)
    {
    $verbose = 1;
    next;
    }
    elsif (/^-f/) {
    $outfile = shift @ARGV;
    next;
    }
    else {
    push @parFiles, $_;
    }
}

#
# Open Outputfile
#
if ($outfile) {
    open (OUTFILE, ">>$outfile") || die "Error opening: $outfile.\n";
}

#
# Process each .PAR file.
#
while (@parFiles) {

    $parFile = $_;

    if (length ($parFile) > 0) {

    if ($verbose) {
        print "Processing PAR file, $parFile.\n";
    }

    ReadPARFile ($parFile);

    ParsePARFile ($pars);
    }
    else {
    close (OUTFILE);
    exit 1;
    }
}


sub ReadPARFile {
    local ($parFile) = @_;

    $pars = "";

    open (PARFILE, "<$parFile") || die "Error opening $parFile.\n";

    while (<PARFILE>) {

    # Ignore blank and comment lines.
    #
    if (!/^(\s*;.*|\s*\/\/.*|\s*)$/) {
        # Remove any comments from end of line.
        #
        if (/.*\/\//) {
        ($_) = /(.*)\/\//;
        $_ .= "\n";
        }
        $pars .= $_;
    }
    }
    close (PARFILE);

    return;
}

sub ParsePARFile {

    local ($pars) = @_;

    @par = split /\s*}/i, $pars;

    foreach $p (@par) {

    ($parName, $parameters) = split /\s*\s{/, $p;
    $parName =~ s/\s*//;

    if (length ($parName) > 0) {
        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($reset) = /.*reset\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($type) = /.*type\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($formulafile) = /.*formulafile\s*=\s*(\w+\.\w+)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($formulaname) = /.*formulaname\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($centermag) =
        /.*center\-mag\s*=\s*([\-\d\/\.]*)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($params) = /.*params\s*=\s*([\-\w\/]*)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($maxiter) = /.*maxiter\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($inside) = /.*inside\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/;

        $_ = $parameters;
        $status = ($outside) = /.*outside\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/;

        print OUTFILE
        $parFile . "," .
        $parName . "," .
        $type . "," .
        $formulafile . "," .
        $formulaname . "," .
        $params . "\n";

        $_ = "";
    }
    }
}



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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Batch Processing
Date: 15 Aug 1998 07:36:15 -0700

Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's
in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails
as quickly and easily as possible.

Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint.

Angela

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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 15 Aug 1998 09:43:11 -0700

Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page
does not (that I could find) reference your formula files.
Spanky has only a few.
Thanks,
Jay
----------
>
> Hi Gilbert,
>
>   Welcome aboard!
>
> >> Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula :
>
>   Thanks for sharing.  Very nice images!
>
>   Cheers,
>
>         - Sylvie


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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Gallet-6-01
Date: 15 Aug 1998 12:28:56 -0500

Hi Jay;

Here 'tis from my collection.



Gallet-6-01 { ; Sylvie Gallet [101324,3444], 1996
  z = pixel , x = real(z) , y = imag(z) :
   x1 = x - p1*fn1(y + p2*fn2(x - p3*fn3(y)))
   y1 = y - p1*fn1(x + p2*fn2(y - p3*fn3(x)))
   x = x1 , y = y1
   z = x + flip(y)
    |z| <= 32
  }

Bob Margolis



Jay Hill wrote:
>
> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page
> does not (that I could find) reference your formula files.
> Spanky has only a few.

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 15 Aug 1998 15:15:32 -0400

Hi Jay,

>> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not
>> (that I could find) reference your formula files.  Spanky has only a
>> few.

  All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in
gallet-b.zip.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 15 Aug 1998 17:16:04 -0700

I'll try one more time. I looked at the only page I know of for you:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/gallet-b.zip
gets page not found.

So where is this file? Please give exact URL.
Thanks,
Jay

>
> Hi Jay,
>
> >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not
> >> (that I could find) reference your formula files.  Spanky has only a
> >> few.
>
>   All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in
> gallet-b.zip.
>
>   Cheers,
>
>         - Sylvie


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From: cindy mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 15 Aug 1998 06:05:05 -0700

Hi,
The page you are looking for is -
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/page_1_e.htm

        Cindy
At 05:16 PM 8/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I'll try one more time. I looked at the only page I know of for you:
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/gallet-b.zip
>gets page not found.
>
>So where is this file? Please give exact URL.
>Thanks,
>Jay
>
>>
>> Hi Jay,
>>
>> >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not
>> >> (that I could find) reference your formula files.  Spanky has only a
>> >> few.
>>
>>   All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in
>> gallet-b.zip.
>>
>>   Cheers,
>>
>>         - Sylvie
>
>
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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 15 Aug 1998 19:18:24 -0700

Thank you! I see the zip file has '_' not '-'.
Found them.

And thank you Bob Margolis for posting the formula.

Now as I drop back into warp and hit Fractint.....
Jay

> Hi,
> The page you are looking for is -
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/page_1_e.htm
>
>         Cindy
> At 05:16 PM 8/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >I'll try one more time. I looked at the only page I know of for you:
> >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm
> >
> >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/gallet-b.zip
> >gets page not found.
> >
> >So where is this file? Please give exact URL.
> >Thanks,
> >Jay
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Jay,
> >>
> >> >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not
> >> >> (that I could find) reference your formula files.  Spanky has only a
> >> >> few.
> >>
> >>   All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in
> >> gallet-b.zip.
> >>
> >>   Cheers,
> >>
> >>         - Sylvie
> >


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals.
Date: 15 Aug 1998 22:41:02 EDT

I found the answer to my question about how to get RGB, or at least
"continuous color histogram" fractals.

Download Tierazon!

See

http://home.hiwaay.net/~stephenf/

I'm sure this is un-PC, kind of like telling a CorelDream3D conference about
POV-Ray.  But if I had the question, I'm sure others would have.

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Batch Processing
Date: 16 Aug 1998 03:53:18 -0500

Angela Wilczynski wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's
> in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails
> as quickly and easily as possible.
>
> Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint.
>

The same people that brought you PSP (JASC at http://www.jasc.com/ )
have a couple of items available at their website.

Then there is "ThumbsPlus" by Cerious Software Inc., which may be found
at http://www.cerious.com/ .

And at least a half dozen others are available.

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       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: gilbert Donchez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 16 Aug 1998 09:45:28 +0200

Hello,
 I have forgotten to write the formula with the pars ...
Sorry
        Gilbert

Jay Hill a =E9crit:

> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page
> does not (that I could find) reference your formula files.
> Spanky has only a few.
> Thanks,
> Jay
> ----------
> >
> > Hi Gilbert,
> >
> >   Welcome aboard!
> >
> > >> Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula :
> >
> >   Thanks for sharing.  Very nice images!
> >
> >   Cheers,
> >
> >         - Sylvie
>
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) first message
Date: 16 Aug 1998 04:36:38 -0400

Hi Jay,

>> Thank you! I see the zip file has '_' not '-'. Found them.  =


  Sorry for the typo!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Iain.Stirling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 16 Aug 1998 10:07:23 +0100 (BST)

Hi folks,

Here's an idea I used to use when I had my 24mB 486 - make a RAMdisk with
RAMDRIVE.SYS, copy the whole of FRACTINT onto it, and then run it from
that disk, and create your disk-video images there! This obviously
provides a considerable increase in speed.

I don't know how well that will work under 95 or 98 though, as I haven't
tried it...


Iain G. Stirling


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 16 Aug 1998 11:50:28 +0200

Iain wrote:

>Hi folks,
>
>Here's an idea I used to use when I had my 24mB 486 - make a RAMdisk with
>RAMDRIVE.SYS, copy the whole of FRACTINT onto it, and then run it from
>that disk, and create your disk-video images there! This obviously
>provides a considerable increase in speed.
>
>I don't know how well that will work under 95 or 98 though, as I haven't
>tried it...
>
>
>Iain G. Stirling


I already posted this approach. Ramdrive.sys does work fine with win95. I
guess it works with 98 as well, but haven't tested it yet.

Christian




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From: "Iain.Stirling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer?
Date: 16 Aug 1998 21:10:44 +0100 (BST)

>
> Iain wrote:
>
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >Here's an idea I used to use when I had my 24mB 486 - make a RAMdisk with
> >RAMDRIVE.SYS, copy the whole of FRACTINT onto it, and then run it from
> >that disk, and create your disk-video images there! This obviously
> >provides a considerable increase in speed.
> >
> >I don't know how well that will work under 95 or 98 though, as I haven't
> >tried it...
> >
> >
> >Iain G. Stirling
>
>
> I already posted this approach. Ramdrive.sys does work fine with win95. I
> guess it works with 98 as well, but haven't tested it yet.
>
> Christian
>

Oops! Sorry Christian - I must have missed that message, as I only get to
check my mail here once a fortnight, and as you know there are easily 200
messages in that time!

Iain.

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals.
Date: 16 Aug 1998 16:02:33 -0700

Greg wrote:
>  Tierazon . . . I'm sure this is un-PC, kind of like telling a
CorelDream3D conference about
>POV-Ray.  But if I had the question, I'm sure others would have.


Actually, discussions about other fractal programs come up periodically.
I don't think anyone minds!
Linda


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
Date: 16 Aug 1998 19:25:17 -0500

Kragen wrote:
>
> For now.  If Congress passes the current "WIPO implementation"
> bill, fair use will be dead.
>

U.S. House passes Internet copyright bill
  (Posted at 6:28 PM PT, Aug 4, 1998)

The U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday approved by a voice vote a
bill that extends copyright protection to material on the Internet.

The bill, based on treaties drafted by the World Intellectual Property
Organization (WIPO) in December of 1996, covers written material and
sound recordings.  Its intent is to protect copyright holders, including
software developers, recording artists, and publishers, from illegal
electronic distribution of intellectual property.

The U.S. Senate in May approved its version of the bill.  The House and
Senate bills will be sent to a conference committee to work out the
differences between the two versions.  The Senate is in recess until
Sept. 1 and the House is on break from Aug. 10 to Sept. 8, so the
conference committee will not meet until both return.

(further information at following URL)
http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?98084.wicopyright.htm

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       Because we're almost always right.
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From: "Nhan Nguyen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals.
Date: 16 Aug 1998 20:03:03

On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:02:33 -0700,
[e-mail] wrote...
>Greg wrote:
>>  Tierazon . . . I'm sure this is un-PC, kind of like telling a
>CorelDream3D conference about
>>POV-Ray.  But if I had the question, I'm sure others would have.
>
>
>Actually, discussions about other fractal programs come up periodically.
>I don't think anyone minds!
>Linda
>
>
Tiera-Zon rocks! I love using it. If you like to see some samples, go to
this site

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/Fractals.htm






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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals.
Date: 16 Aug 1998 20:29:01 -0600

Linda wrote:

> Actually, discussions about other fractal programs come up periodically.
> I don't think anyone minds!

The charter for this list allows fractal-related discussion involving any program.
We don't have to apologize for dominance of fractint talk, which is not always
welcome elsewhere (understandably), but discussion related to other fractal
programs is certainly welcome here.

Tim



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Subject: (fractint) quickie pars
Date: 16 Aug 1998 22:46:16 EDT

Just a few images for your perusal.
Just want to thank everyone involved for:
    alt-tabing into and out of windows without scambled soup display
    I can now use all the vesa modes on my computer (SF7 fantastic high
resolution...need a bigger monitor)

Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98?  I loaded Fractint on my
computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough
memory!  its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram.  I've tried in dos mode also and the
same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o
Fractals).  This could just be a intranet set up issue but I can't ask my ITM
to reconfigure the computer for fractint.  My big fear is; if I upgrade at
home and I can't run fractint I'll loose my mind not to mention withdrawl
pains.

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars
Date: 16 Aug 1998 20:45:56 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Just a few images for your perusal.
> Just want to thank everyone involved for:
>         alt-tabing into and out of windows without scambled soup display
>         I can now use all the vesa modes on my computer (SF7 fantastic high
> resolution...need a bigger monitor)
>
> Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98?  I loaded Fractint on my
> computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough
> memory!  its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram.  I've tried in dos mode also and the
> same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o
> Fractals).  This could just be a intranet set up issue but I can't ask my ITM
> to reconfigure the computer for fractint.  My big fear is; if I upgrade at
> home and I can't run fractint I'll loose my mind not to mention withdrawl
> pains.
>
>
<<snipped>>

I just installed win98 here at chez wizzle and have had no problems
running fractint by starting right out with a dos prompt with win98 up
and running.

Angela

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From: Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 17 Aug 1998 00:53:47 -0400

Fliguer, Miguel wrote:

> > Turner Rentz[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote :
> >
> >>>Fractint 19.6 DOS does not run under NT; I could only
> >>>get it to draw in the background to disk.
>
> I got Fractint for DOS v19.6 happily running under NT 4.0 (on a HP
> Vectra)
> BTW, did anybody try to run Fractint for DOS on Alpha NT (with FX32) ?
>
> OK, here=B4s my first contribution to this list. A bit depressing...

[snip]

HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run un=
der
NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x60=
0
or 1024x768.

How did you accomplish this miracle?

Will it color-cycle?

May I kiss your feet?
--
Barry Bluestein
President - The Lapis Group
Information Technology Consulting - Internet Strategic Planning
11629 Deborah DR, Potomac, MD 20854
301-299-0083



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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:46:12 +0200

Barry wrote:

>>>>
HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run under
NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x600
or 1024x768.

How did you accomplish this miracle?
<<<<

I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't support dos VESA
modes.
The effects of SDD under winNT can actually be quite weird... completely wrong
card detection, from 50 to 12 modes, pallette screwing up, etc.

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:49:21 +0200

Rui wrote:


>Just a few images for your perusal.
>Just want to thank everyone involved for:
> alt-tabing into and out of windows without scambled soup display
> I can now use all the vesa modes on my computer (SF7 fantastic high
>resolution...need a bigger monitor)


SF7 (1024x768x256)a fantastic resolution?? Where have you been :-)

>Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98?  I loaded Fractint on my
>computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough
>memory!  its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram.  I've tried in dos mode also and
the
>same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o
>Fractals).

Guess Win98 screwed up your startup files. Loading too much stuff in low
memory area.

Christian




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 17 Aug 1998 07:58:41 -0400

Thanks, Ken. I guess I'll have to warm up my search engine and go looking
for PERL for Windows.

Bill Decker

> Whaddaya know, I found one.  :-)
> Following is a very crude PERL script (since I'm not a PERL expert)
> that will take a list of .PAR files, and spit out the contents of
> the individual pars like:
>
> jo_we_01.par,jowe0101,formula,_k.frm,wiltetrate,0/0/0/0/0/0
>
> which is
>
> filename, par name, type, formula file, formula, params
>
> Those familiar with PERL could easily change the script to output
> different fields, change the order, etc.
>
> I did not extensively test it, so I can't guarantee there won't be any
> problems.  It should run on a Win version of PERL, but I can't test that
> option.  All the rest of the standard disclaimers apply, use at your own
> risk, unsupported, no implied or actual warranties, etc.
>
> If anyone decides to improve it, feel free to do so.  Just please send
> me a copy if you do.  Other than that, have fun with it.  I hope it can
> be found useful.
>
> Ken...
[snip PERL script]



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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Batch Processing
Date: 17 Aug 1998 15:40:58 +0200

>Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's
>in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails
>as quickly and easily as possible.

Angela,
depending on whether you really want JPGs you could think about doing
this within fractint.  The following worked for me:

fractint filename=aug1601.gif viewwindows=yes savename=redtest1
batch=yes

or viewwindows=5 for a specific reduction ratio
or viewwindows=/0.75//100/0 for an exact thumbnail size (100 pixels
wide, preserving 0.75 aspect ratio)

These are perfect thumbnails and the great thing about this is it keeps
the parameters in the same file so you don't have to worry about
matching filenames to par entries to re-generate them.

I haven't tested the following but something like this should allow you
to reduce all images in a directory:

for %g in (*.gif) do fractint filename=%g viewwindows=yes savename=%g
overwrite=yes batch=yes

You could copy the images to another directory, or include a path in the
savename= (is this possible?) to avoid writing over the originals ...

Joe

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From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) quickie pars
Date: 17 Aug 1998 10:02:10 -0400

Rui,

>> Spider_Vision      { ; (c) R Parracho Aug 16, 1998 t=3D  0:00:53.50 66=
mhz
>>  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Drspf007.frm formulaname=3Dr=
sp_7160
                                                                ^^^^^^^^

Could you please post the rsp_7160 formula?  Thanks!

Lee

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT)

>
>
> HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run under
> NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x600
> or 1024x768.

I run it on NT, but only using the "Disk Video" modes.


Ken...





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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:18:18 -0700 (PDT)

>
> Thanks, Ken. I guess I'll have to warm up my search engine and go looking
> for PERL for Windows.

If you haven't found one already, check

    http://language.perl.com/index.html

Select the Download Software link.  On that page is a link to a Win
version of PERL.  I haven't tried PERL on Win95/NT for quite some time,
but it shouldn't be too terribly difficult to get running.


Ken...



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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 17 Aug 1998 10:36:27 -0500

Bill,

 - Thanks, Ken. I guess I'll have to warm up my search engine and go looking
 - for PERL for Windows.

    http://www.activestate.com/ftp/Perl-Win32/Release/Pw32i312.exe

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject:  Re: (fractint) Batch Processing
Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:49:30 EDT

I recommend Thumbs Plus for doing this quickly and easilly.  Select a number
of files and it will batch process them including changing file format (if
desired) and size.  It lets you specify the jpg compression ratio you want the
batch converted files to be too.

Julian

~~~~~~~~~~~
Julian Adamaitis

Fractelligent Designs
visit "Julian's Fractal Page"
http://members.aol.com/julianpa
[e-mail]

~~~~~~~~~~~~


Paul.N.Lee wrote:

Angela Wilczynski wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's
> in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails
> as quickly and easily as possible.
>
> Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint.
>

The same people that brought you PSP (JASC at http://www.jasc.com/ )
have a couple of items available at their website.

Then there is "ThumbsPlus" by Cerious Software Inc., which may be found
at http://www.cerious.com/ .

And at least a half dozen others are available.

P.N.L.
======================================================================
     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
======================================================================
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: gilbert Donchez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars
Date: 17 Aug 1998 22:33:57 +0200

Rui,

Quatar and Quatar_1 are my prefered.

    Regards
        Gilbert

[e-mail] a =E9crit:

> Just a few images for your perusal.
>


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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) op center???
Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:45:44 -0700

Hey Dad where is that Movie "OP CENTER"?

Jason Hill

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Frm post (rsp_7160)
Date: 17 Aug 1998 17:50:09 EDT

Sorry I missed this one.
Here it is:

frm:rsp_7160{;rsp 15jul98
c=pixel,n=1,p=3.1415927
z=pixel:
f=(1+cos( (2*z-1)*p/2/n)),
g=-2*sin( (2*z-1)*p/2/n)
z=z-f/g
n=n+1
.0001<=|f|}


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars win98
Date: 17 Aug 1998 18:08:45 EDT

In a message dated 16-08-98 10:39:13 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I just installed win98 here at chez wizzle and have had no problems
>  running fractint by starting right out with a dos prompt with win98 up
>  and running.
>

Thanks for the endorsement.
I bought the win98 package and am going to upgrade.  My system manager at work
told me that the problem is a Netware configuration issue.  He sat at my
computer and voila' ;  I now have Fractint at work, when I travel, and at
home.

regards,
Rui

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal of the Week
Date: 17 Aug 1998 18:54:41 -0400

Hi Everybody,

  I've just uploaded a new "Fractal of the Week" to my home page.  Enjoy!=


  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

 E-mail:
   [e-mail]
 Visit my exhibit at Museum of Computer Art:
   http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/
 My Fractal Galleries:
   http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html
   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm

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From: "Phil DiGiorgi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:27:13 -0400

>Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98?  I loaded Fractint on my
>computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough
>memory!  its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram.  I've tried in dos mode also and the
>same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o
>Fractals).  This could just be a intranet set up issue but I can't ask my ITM
>to reconfigure the computer for fractint.  My big fear is; if I upgrade at
>home and I can't run fractint I'll loose my mind not to mention withdrawl
>pains.
>


I originally had some problems with text screen corruption using Fractint when I first installed
Windows 98.   It turned out to be a bug in the Microsoft-supplied drivers for my video adapter
that were at fault.   Reinstalling the win95 drivers fixed the problem, and Fractint now runs
perfectly for me.

The display card is a Diamond Stealth 3D 3000, which uses an S3 Virge/Vx chip.


 Phil D.


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Windows 98 problem...
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:27:29 EDT

Hi Everybody,

I need some help with a Windows 98 problem. If I leave my computer for awhile,
either in Windows or DOS, the monitor screen goes black. If I hit escape a
couple of times the screen returns to normal. Is there some way to correct
this problem?

TIA

--Bob Carr--

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem...
Date: 17 Aug 1998 19:36:20 -0500

Bob,

Disable power saving.

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From: Peter Jakubowicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem...
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:36:16 -0400

>I need some help with a Windows 98 problem. If I leave my computer for
awhile,
>either in Windows or DOS, the monitor screen goes black. If I hit escape a
>couple of times the screen returns to normal. Is there some way to correct
>this problem?

Have you looked at your monitor's "power management" or "energy savings"
setting under the screen saver tab for the monitor's settings? I believe
the Windows 98 default is for 15 minutes; you can change it to never or 8
hours, or whatever you want, if that is indeed the problem. Hope this helps.







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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) light praise
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:43:48 EDT

If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you really
have to.  They're all extra sweet eye candy.

And as artsy goes check out Gilbert Donchez' [L'OEUF].  I don't know french
but the title has to be 'The Egg'.  This reminds me of the pointillism branch
of impressionism, esspecially of Matisse.  Great Image! I'm not sure if higher
resolutions do this image any good.

best regards,
Rui







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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Frm post (rsp_7160)
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:52:53 EDT

I didn't recieve this so Ime posting it again

> Sorry I missed this one.
>  Here it is:
>
  frm:rsp_7160{;rsp 15jul98
  c=pixel,n=1,p=3.1415927
  z=pixel:
  f=(1+cos( (2*z-1)*p/2/n)),
  g=-2*sin( (2*z-1)*p/2/n)
  z=z-f/g
  n=n+1
  .0001<=|f|}
>
>

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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Batch Processing
Date: 17 Aug 1998 18:00:32 -0700

At 03:40 PM 8/17/98 +0200, Joe Pearson wrote:
>Angela,
>depending on whether you really want JPGs you could think about doing
>this within fractint.  The following worked for me:
>...

After you gen these thumbnails in GIF format using this procedure,
you can batch-convert them to JPEG with PSP (but you probably
knew that already).


Bud


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From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) light praise
Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:24:17 -0400

Rui,

>>If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you
really have to.  They're all extra sweet eye candy.  <<

I thought those were Jim Weaver's series.

Lee

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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) light praise
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:31:03 -0700


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I do like praise even if it is totally undeserved.  Those weren'tmy
images.  I think this is happening because a lot more people
are using Les St. Clair's monthly compilation with summer and
the contest rather than putting the pars in with each letter.  It
makes it more important to put your name on the first line of
the par so you know whose it is- it would be nice to get the
palette maker on that line too.
      Rui, I've really liked a lot of your recent work especially
"Cathedral Ceiling".

> If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you
>
..................

> I thought those were Jim Weaver's series.
>


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I do like praise even if it is totally undeserved.  Those weren'tmy
images.  I think this is happening because a lot more people
<BR>are using Les St. Clair's monthly compilation with summer and
<BR>the contest rather than putting the pars in with each letter.
It
<BR>makes it more important to put your name on the first line of
<BR>the par so you know whose it is- it would be nice to get the
<BR>palette maker on that line too.
<BR>      Rui, I've really liked a lot of your
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<BR>"Cathedral Ceiling".
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Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise
Date: 18 Aug 1998 00:15:36 EDT


> I thought those were Jim Weaver's series.

My mistake; I inadvertantly just read the "map by" line... So Jim every thing
I said about the [nusnaps] series still stands.  I make it a point to make at
least one mistake on every post or it seems I do.

Best regards
Rui

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise
Date: 18 Aug 1998 05:19:08 EDT



  Thanks Rui!  I still feel like an amateur when it comes to fractals though.
Maybe because I'm using a Pentium75 with only a 1/2 Gig drive, and I'm down to
10 Megs of space again! :(   I have to erase files weekly just so I can make
more art. Thank God(Fractint) for the option to parametize!!  Oh, well....one
of these days I'll get up to speed along with the rest of the list. I started
with a 33mhz and 40Mb drive making fractals using 300x200 resolution 2 yrs
ago, and I'm sure everyone knows how slow and unsightly those were.<G>  I can
only imagine how fast a P-266 or better can draw fractals. Ok, enough
whining/dreaming from me. Lets get some more pars on the list everybody!!

Jim

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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) light praise
Date: 18 Aug 1998 14:01:55 +0200

>  Thanks Rui!  I still feel like an amateur when it comes to fractals though.
>Maybe because I'm using a Pentium75 with only a 1/2 Gig drive, and I'm down
>to
>10 Megs of space again!

Jim, for some reason my 800MB drive also has only 10M of space left ...
soon my company will ask me why I need 300MB of storage for backups on
the server!  My 486/75 is pretty slow too.  I'm looking forward to be
able to afford to upgrade.

Your par "all that glitters" posted a few days ago looked strangely
familiar - in fact you posted the same thing as "window12" in June!
This image is very good - and it really benefits from anti-aliasing.

Joe



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From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 18 Aug 1998 09:50:11 -0300

> Barry Bluestein[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote :
>
    >>>HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get
Fractint to run under
    >>>NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly
never 800x600
    >>>or 1024x768.
    >>>
    >>>How did you accomplish this miracle?

I just installed it and got it working, no tweaking was necessary.
Probably it has
something to do with the fact that my NT is not a clean install, but an
upgrade
from a previous WFW 3.11 installation. Hey, I never said I got 1024x768,
the best I can get is SF5 (640x480).

    >>>Will it color-cycle?

Yup.

    >>>May I kiss your feet?

No, but you can smell my armpit...;-)

'bye

-----
Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina
Check the Source of All Ponchos, an argentine tribute to Frank Zappa
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem...
Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:48:45 EDT

Thanks to all for the help with my monitor going off. The problem has been
resolved.

--Bob Carr--

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 20 pars(misc.)
Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:52:40 EDT



Here's an assortment of pars for everyone to view.  The last par should be
cycled back and forth just slightly to get the full effect. <G>  Enjoy~

Jim

******************************************************************************
*******
608nmp01           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:00:19.28 P-75 800x600
                     ; jacco192.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm
  formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=conj/cos/tan passes=t
  center-mag=0.0189174/0.0189174/0.8299348/1/44.999
  params=2.5/0.1/0/4.7/1.125/25 float=y maxiter=255
  potential=255/255/0 periodicity=0
  colors=zzzIBJ<10>WKZXL_XLawvx<7>TObPJ_NIXLGTJEQGCM<10>424212212<7>212212\
  000101321<17>UJDWKEYLFZMG`NIaPJ<6>lZV<20>000<25>QKHRLISMJUNKWOLXQM<2>bTQ\
  cVReWSfXUfYV<3>hbbhcdhbc<2>h_ZhZXgYVfXT<24>011123314<18>MEaNEbOFdPFeQGg<\
  4>VOiXQjWPj<3>SJiRHhQGf<23>212000101<11>HAI
  }

608nmp02           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:00:33.89 P-75 800x600
                     ; jacco192.map
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  formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=conj/cos/tan passes=t
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From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 18 Aug 1998 10:02:56 -0300

> Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:[e-mail]] boldly wrote :
>
    >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't
support dos VESA
    >>>modes.

I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a
Vectra w/ WNT 4.0),
and it's still working...


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 18 Aug 1998 20:39:44 +0200

Miguel wrote

>> Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:[e-mail]] boldly wrote :
>>
> >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't
>support dos VESA
> >>>modes.
>
>I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a
>Vectra w/ WNT 4.0),
>and it's still working...


Huh? It worked at that res? Using SF5 as you wrote... I'm stunned...

I've used NT for quite a while -- dumped it maybe a month or so ago in favor
of win98 --
and never got any vesa mode to work (both in- and outside fractint). I took a
quick look at the NT 4.0WS Resource Kit a few mins ago and didn't find
anything on vesa. But my search wasn't quite thorough :-). A friend of mine
told me he'd try to find it out.

I would find it strange if the vesa dos modes actually didn't work unless
there's been an 'unclean' installation.

But strange things happen...

Christian




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise
Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:34:22 EDT


Joe,

  I see I'm not the only one with this problem of slowness and minimal drive
space. But it's still the most satisfying thing to me......watching fractals
appear on my screen.   Also, I had forgotten that *All That Glitters* was
posted to the list already as *Window12*.  Since I started using an ISP, AOL
doesn't want to work right when I sign on with screen name and password like
normal.  The only way I can use it, is to sign on as a guest, and by doing
that....it won't let me have access to my personal filing cabinet, which was
how I kept track of mail I sent. Please forgive any duplications in the
past....and in the future. :)

Jim

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From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:14:22 -0300

FWIW, the system where i got Fractint running on NT4
at 640x480 is a HP Vectra VE, and it has an integrated
video controller, reported by the control panel as SiS 6205
from SiS Corporation, with 1 MB of video memory.

When using NT, I set it on 1024x768x256. I just set up a
shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE and voila !


-----
Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina
Check the Source of All Ponchos, an argentine tribute to Frank Zappa
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7248






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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 20 pars(misc.)
Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:01:22 -0400

Hi Jim,

>> Here's an assortment of pars for everyone to view.

  Very nice images, especially the jm04n series.

>> watanass =


  AGREED!!!!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie


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Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise
Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:36:10 EDT

In a message dated 8/18/98 4:54:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> I started
>  with a 33mhz and 40Mb drive making fractals using 300x200 resolution

And so did I, but I had only a 16-color card, and Winfract. Ouchie! First
thing I did was buy a Trident color card......

Dama

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:47:45 +0200

>FWIW, the system where i got Fractint running on NT4
>at 640x480 is a HP Vectra VE, and it has an integrated
>video controller, reported by the control panel as SiS 6205
>from SiS Corporation, with 1 MB of video memory.
>
>When using NT, I set it on 1024x768x256. I just set up a
>shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE and voila !

No results yet on how it could work -- and I'm afraid I won't get any :-(.

Eeks! Integrated SiS 6205. D'you also have your video memory placed in the
14/15-16M memory hole? This is not unusual for these systems. I knew a system,
an IBM Aptiva something, with Mwave (beuh...) and also integrated SiS 6205. It
snooped my real memory for video purposes. At that system, the video mem could
also be set to two MB. If you have this possibility, it may well be useful (of
course if you're willing to sacrifice another meg of ram :) ). It should at
least make higher res/color depth possible.

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:51:42 +0200

I just wrote:


[snippy-snippy-snip]

>No results yet on how it could work -- and I'm afraid I won't get any :-(.
>
>Eeks! Integrated SiS 6205. D'you also have your video memory placed in the
... [snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-... oops! almost snipped carrier :) ]

Sorry. The message was intended to be sent to Miguel only, not to the list.

Christian




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Subject: (fractint) 22 more pars (jm03&jm04)
Date: 18 Aug 1998 22:19:04 EDT





    Here's more eye-candy!  Enjoy~

Jim

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 19 Aug 1998 03:26:52 EDT


Gee this is fun....I'm having a blast!! <g>  Enjoy~

Jim

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  center-mag=-1.80602/-6.21725e-015/0.1879699/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0
  colors=000L0C<20>407603602601510<48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<\
  13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2D
  }

jm06n002           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:01:23.32 P-75 800x600
                     ; jacco212.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06
  function=recip/acosh/cosxx passes=t
  center-mag=-0.0211501/-5.77316e-015/0.4027062/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0
  colors=000T9F<3>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<1\
  8>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<18>UBF
  }

jm06n003           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:01:03.39 P-75 800x600
                     ; jacco212.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06
  function=cotan/acosh/cosxx passes=t
  center-mag=-0.538097/-3.55271e-015/0.3164557/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0
  colors=000C09<9>407603602601510<48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<1\
  3>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<8>D09
  }

jm06n004           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:00:39.99 P-75 800x600
                     ; jacco212.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06
  function=cotanh/acosh/cosxx passes=t
  center-mag=-0.778595/-2.22045e-015/0.3571429/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0
  colors=000FMF<4>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<4\
  8>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<12>IOH
  }

jm06n005           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:00:27.79 P-75 800x600
                     ; jacco212.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06
  function=exp/acosh/cosxx passes=t
  center-mag=-0.401338/-6.21725e-015/0.1879699/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0
  colors=000D84<40>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx\
  nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<6>C73
  }

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Need e-mail address for JaccoBurger
Date: 19 Aug 1998 04:09:15 EDT


  Does anyone know Jacco Burgers' e-mail address?  I want to thank him for the
colormaps I've been using recently.  I can be reached at my e-mail address
directly or through the list.  Thanks in advance~

Jim

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Need e-mail address for JaccoBurger
Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:16:07 +0200

Jim wrote:

>  Does anyone know Jacco Burgers' e-mail address?  I want to thank him for
the
>colormaps I've been using recently.  I can be reached at my e-mail address
>directly or through the list.  Thanks in advance~


Sure. It's  [e-mail]

Christian





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Subject: Re: (fractint) Need e-mail address for JaccoBurger
Date: 19 Aug 1998 05:21:53 EDT


Thank you Christian.  I appreciate the help!  Take care~

Jim

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 19 Aug 1998 06:58:21 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Gee this is fun....I'm having a blast!! <g>  Enjoy~
>

I think you've set a new record.

Posting 47 PARs in under twenty hours!!!

Now to see if I've got the time to view everything.

     Why do most folks hate cynics so much?
       Because we're almost always right.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:21:04 EDT


Lee,

 I hope 47 pars in under 24 hrs isn't too many for the list.  I'll slack up a
little. :( Actually, they may take longer to view than it takes to draw them.
If a fractal's gonna take longer than 10 mins, it usually doesn't get a chance
to finish drawing around here.  I guess I'm just too impatient. <g>
     Take care~

Jim

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 19 Aug 1998 12:27:50 EDT

You know, I would love it if you could send me your .par files as an attached
file (the way you did with the Opinion images and a couple other batches).
When I copy them from e-mail something happens in the translation -- makes me
crazy -- I have to go in and edit them, not always successfully, to have them
work in Fractint.

Dama

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 19 Aug 1998 12:53:47 EDT

Uh-oh! List, I'm sorry. I intended this to go personally to James Weaver.
However, if anyone has a fix-it for the problem I described in the post,
please let me know. I'm tired of not being able to use .par files.....

Dama

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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) getting pars to fractint
Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:24:36 -0700


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Dama wrote

> However, if anyone has a fix-it for the problem I described in the post,
> please let me know. I'm tired of not being able to use .par files.....
>
There are a variety of things that can go wrong
in the par files.  I struggled with this for several
months last year and saved most of the posts
about it, so I can send them to anyone who
wants them.  Here are most of the problems:

1) lines cut in wrong place- check that there
is a \ at the end of a line that breaks a color map
etc.  If the line is complete e.g. "passes=1"
you don't need the \.

2) There should not be double spaces in the
par or frm.

3) In the color maps there are runs like
"aaaaaa<ggg>kkkkkkk"  The line break
with the \ should not come in the middle
of the <ggg>.

4) There was a problem with =3D
that does not affect Jim's or other recent
posts.

5) I have been using PFE, programmer's
file editor which works great for this.  You
just save it as whatever.par or whatever.frm.
I think if you are using wordpad you have to
save it as "whatever.par".

6) Are you sure you have the formula for
the par in question?

E-mail me if you want the collection of posts
but it's kind of long.

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<PRE>However, if anyone has a fix-it for the problem I described in the post,
please let me know. I'm tired of not being able to use .par files.....</PRE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>


<P>There are a variety of things that can go wrong
<BR>in the par files.  I struggled with this for several
<BR>months last year and saved most of the posts
<BR>about it, so I can send them to anyone who
<BR>wants them.  Here are most of the problems:

<P>1) lines cut in wrong place- check that there
<BR>is a \ at the end of a line that breaks a color map
<BR>etc.  If the line is complete e.g. "passes=1"
<BR>you don't need the \.

<P>2) There should not be double spaces in the
<BR>par or frm.

<P>3) In the color maps there are runs like
<BR>"aaaaaa<ggg>kkkkkkk"  The line break
<BR>with the \ should not come in the middle
<BR>of the <ggg>.

<P>4) There was a problem with =3D
<BR>that does not affect Jim's or other recent
<BR>posts.

<P>5) I have been using PFE, programmer's
<BR>file editor which works great for this.  You
<BR>just save it as whatever.par or whatever.frm.
<BR>I think if you are using wordpad you have to
<BR>save it as "whatever.par".

<P>6) Are you sure you have the formula for
<BR>the par in question?

<P>E-mail me if you want the collection of posts
<BR>but it's kind of long.</HTML>

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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:37:51 +1200

At 06:58 19/08/98 -0500, you wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> Gee this is fun....I'm having a blast!! <g>  Enjoy~
>>
>
>I think you've set a new record.
>
>Posting 47 PARs in under twenty hours!!!
>
Indeed; I was starting to suspect we have an artistic AI subscribed to
thekind of  list :-)

No offence intended.
Morgan



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) getting pars to fractint
Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:53:45 EDT

I think I have the same problem as Dama but I think it has something to do
with AOL's mail.  If anyone finds out what to do about this let me know too

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From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) web page
Date: 19 Aug 1998 15:10:15 -0700

I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
Comments good or bad - are welcome.

http://www.sb.net/arkangel/

Faye


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) getting pars to fractint
Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:08:08 EDT

>I think I have the same problem as Dama but I think it has something to do
>with AOL's mail.  If anyone finds out what to do about this let me know too
crazym69,
I had a lot of problems of this sort but not anymore.  All I do is maximize
(this I think puts all the line ending where there supposed to be instead of
line wrapping) my mail read window then cut and paste into a notepad/wordpad
document thats open.  For some reason when you save your posted mail straight
to a file, depending on what your preferences are it may put lots of junk into
your par file.  I hope this easy fix works for you.
Rui

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:16:33 EDT

In a message dated 19-08-98 5:14:23 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
>  Comments good or bad - are welcome.
>
>  http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>
>  Faye
>
Nice Image on your home page.  Loaded fast.
I really liked the voting in your gallery page.  Ecellent touch!
I didn't see where to download any of you images...

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:29:27 -0700 (PDT)

>
> I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
> Comments good or bad - are welcome.
>
> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/


I cannot see any images.  I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0.


Ken...




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From: Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:35:34 -0400

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:

> I just wrote:
>
> [snippy-snippy-snip]
>
> >No results yet on how it could work -- and I'm afraid I won't get any :-(.
> >
> >Eeks! Integrated SiS 6205. D'you also have your video memory placed in the
> ... [snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-... oops! almost snipped carrier :) ]
>
> Sorry. The message was intended to be sent to Miguel only, not to the list.
>
> Christian

No problem D-C.

I'm still trying to figure out Fliguer.

I wonder if the former WFW311 install has an effect on this? Could Miguel's
system be exiting out to true DOS?

I certainly don't see how his video h/w sub-system (ancient or otherwise) could
be involved.

--
Barry Bluestein
President - The Lapis Group
Information Technology Consulting - Internet Strategic Planning
11629 Deborah DR, Potomac, MD 20854
301-299-0083



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From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) web page
Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:49:34 -0700

Hi Ken:
Looks great I like it!
Art

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> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Ken Childress
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 4:29 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
>
>
> >
> > I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what
> you think.
> > Comments good or bad - are welcome.
> >
> > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>
>
> I cannot see any images.  I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0.
>
>
> Ken...
>
>
>
>
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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 19 Aug 1998 18:09:50 -0700

Faye Williams wrote:
>
> I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
> Comments good or bad - are welcome.
>
> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>
> Faye


Faye...

I can't see any of the thumbnails either.  When I look at your html code
it see backslashes rather than foreslashes.....you might have a relative
versus absolute reference problem. Also, although the link from the
thumbnail seems to go properly to a page, the larger image is also
missing.

Angela

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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 19 Aug 1998 22:02:47 -0400

This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new
PARS for the past few days.  Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I
only wish I'd subscribed sooner..

I too, have a Fractint site at
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html

Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated..

I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download
times reasonable.   So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so
thumbnails on each seems to work out best.

Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
of free server space <G>

Regards,
Paul DeCelle

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From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 19 Aug 1998 20:04:33 -0700

Hi Paul:
Nice site. I like it

Art Baker
http://fractal.cc

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> From: [e-mail]
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 7:03 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (fractint) First Posting
>
>
> This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new
> PARS for the past few days.  Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I
> only wish I'd subscribed sooner..
>
> I too, have a Fractint site at
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html
>
> Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
>
> I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download
> times reasonable.   So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so
> thumbnails on each seems to work out best.
>
> Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
> of free server space <G>
>
> Regards,
> Paul DeCelle
>
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From: Tim Gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:54:44 -0700

>This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new
>PARS for the past few days.  Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I
>only wish I'd subscribed sooner..
>
>I too, have a Fractint site at
>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html
>
>Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
>
>I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download
>times reasonable.   So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so
>thumbnails on each seems to work out best.
>
>Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
>of free server space <G>
>
>Regards,
>Paul DeCelle

excellent!  I especially enjoyed "pinwheel2" from the M-sets...

Devil's haircut & Black Hole do me good!

Fire Down Below is just too great... that's my all-time favorite...

Thanks for the images...

One thing though, the first "Edge Fractal" on your pages doesn't seem to
load.  I'm using Navigator 4.0.5 on my Mac (I'm doing the Mac port of
fractint).

Thanks again for the neat eye-candy...

-= tim



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 8 pars(various)
Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:29:04 EDT



Here's a few more to view.  Enjoy~

Jim

******************************************************************

jm16n001           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/20/98 T=0:00:32.79 P75 800x600
                     ; jacco192.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_16
  function=conj/recip/sqr/cotan passes=t
  center-mag=-5.32907e-015/-7.10543e-015/0.128866/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60
  colors=20c55I33C226000000<11>20mD7g<3>xbz<9>51U<5>64565885B<37>wowxsx<13\
  >A00<15>m00o00o03<14>z0z<2>z0oz0kz2i<3>wDa<16>ZDm<4>IBs03w<8>0Bb1B`3BZ<1\
  2>O53Q40R50<18>mQ3nR3nS3<12>xn7yp8yqAyqCyqD<13>sqknsqprq<8>CCs<4>88b88Z7\
  7U66O
  }

jm16n002           { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/20/98 T=0:02:39.28 P75 800x600
                     ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_16
  function=cabs/recip/sqr/cotan passes=t
  center-mag=-0.356582/-2.35367e-014/0.4206867/1/-90 params=100/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60
  colors=000lnv<20>778<15>zzz<14>xkXwjVvjV<12>kcOjbNhaN<20>663442212000<15\
  >000111223<24>eepggrgfq<23>b2Pa0N`0N<23>D04B03C05<7>H0FH0GI0HJ0IK0KL0L<9\
  >V2c<2>f4zb3rZ3kV2c<2>Q2VP1SN1PL0LL0LL0K<25>prznpx
  }

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From: Mark Crowley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) beyond 256 with Fractint?
Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:45:18 -0400

Hello all,
    I've recently acquired a powerful new computer and of course
Fractint was one of my first transfers from my old computer.  Now that I
am not bound by limited colours I have noticed there are some video
modes described as VESA TrueColor 24 bit, I tried rendering Maderblot
with this but got only the faintest blue in the light regions.  I'm
hoping there is some way to have an equivalent of the 256 colour map but
even if I could simply have al the colours run through by the '+' key it
would be great.  Anyone know how to actually use these TrueColor modes?

Thanks
Mark


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) getting pars to fractint
Date: 20 Aug 1998 00:56:56 EDT

Hi Kathy! I think your post is the answer - the first two suggestions are
going to do it. Thank you!

Dama

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From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:19:15 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)

Can't overload me! I have just set up a 2nd PC ('Laurel')
doing nothing all day but batch process PARs! Last sunday
it cooked 1200 images at 320x200. Simple job to scan the
results to decide which to keep and enlarge to 1024x768.

The 'big iron' ('Hardy)' then spent a merry couple of hours
doing the final good images, without using too much time
away from 'real work'.

Nigel ('laziest man alive') Long.

On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:21:04 EDT [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Lee,
>
>  I hope 47 pars in under 24 hrs isn't too many for the list.  I'll slack up a
> little. :( Actually, they may take longer to view than it takes to draw them.
> If a fractal's gonna take longer than 10 mins, it usually doesn't get a chance
> to finish drawing around here.  I guess I'm just too impatient. <g>
>      Take care~
>
> Jim
>
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Subject: (fractint) only 10 pars (Jm_03)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 03:41:37 EDT



  I'm too sleepy to make any more tonight!  ZZzzzzz....g'nite.  Enjoy~

Jim

******************************************************************************
****

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From: "Frank Chambers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Newbie driving printer
Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:07:33 +0100

After laboring with an Amiga 4000 and my own programs for many years, I
have just been introduced to Fractint on a PC laptop with 1024 X 768 X 256
(XGA) screen. Wow!!  But how do I get it to drive my Epson Stylus Color 600
printer?  At present, it just prints spaced-out lines, no color, and the
occasional line of alpha garbage.  One Mandelbrot is the right width but
stretches out over two sheets of paper.


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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) newbie driving printer
Date: 20 Aug 1998 02:47:56 -0700


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Frank wrote:

> Wow!!  But how do I get it to drive my Epson Stylus Color 600
>


Hi.  You use a graphics program, open the file
and then choose print.  PaintShopPro is good
and inexpensive and you can download it as
shareware and use it for 30 days for free.  I
don't have the URL but I think it is easy to get as a
search for PaintShopPro or Jasc software.   Phone is
612-930-9171.   ( I think this is known as the partially
sighted leading the partially sighted.)



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<P>Hi.  You use a graphics program, open the file
<BR>and then choose print.  PaintShopPro is good
<BR>and inexpensive and you can download it as
<BR>shareware and use it for 30 days for free.  I
<BR>don't have the URL but I think it is easy to get as a
<BR>search for PaintShopPro or Jasc software.   Phone is
<BR>612-930-9171.   ( I think this is known as the partially
<BR>sighted leading the partially sighted.)
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From: Elaina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 05:04:03 -0500

Paul DeCelle wrote:
>
> This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new
> PARS for the past few days.  Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I
> only wish I'd subscribed sooner..
>
Glad you're here.

> I too, have a Fractint site at
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html
>
> Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
>
Pretty stuff. Keep it up.

> I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download
> times reasonable.   So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so
> thumbnails on each seems to work out best.
>
> Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
> of free server space <G>
>

I'm answering to the list because this is a broad request to anyone on
geocities. Please stop the pop-ups. They don't care how much resource I
have on my machine to spare when they throw one of those at me. I've had
HUGE javascripts come in those pup-ups. At least the geoguide are size
controlled at the moment. My mother's barely pentium can take 30 seconds
or more to load the watermark, 30 seconds for each pop-up. Mothers copy
of IE is more susceptible to death by pop-up than her netscape.

Your home page had 2 pop-ups. Check to see that an old copy of the
pop-up code at the bottum isn't still there when uploading changes. Even
leaving a pop-up in the background un-minimized won't keep a new one
from opening if there is an extra chunk of code. I don't think they plan
to fix anything wrong with the pop-ups. I bet they're paid by the number
of pages with geoguides/banners on them.

For surfers.
Turn off javascript when wandering around geocities and bye-bye
watermark.

Juice --have fun --harm none
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159
http://web2.airmail.net/ebt
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) beyond 256 with Fractint?
Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:22:56 +0200

Mark Crowley wrote:

>Hello all,
>    I've recently acquired a powerful new computer and of course
>Fractint was one of my first transfers from my old computer.  Now that I
>am not bound by limited colours I have noticed there are some video
>modes described as VESA TrueColor 24 bit, I tried rendering Maderblot
>with this but got only the faintest blue in the light regions.  I'm
>hoping there is some way to have an equivalent of the 256 colour map but
>even if I could simply have al the colours run through by the '+' key it
>would be great.  Anyone know how to actually use these TrueColor modes?
>
>Thanks
>Mark


I'm sorry to say you'll have to wait until the release of fractint v20 to
enjoy true color modes. I you want to create truecolor fractals before then,
you could best go for programs like Tierrazon (probably the second program by
members of this list) or UltraFractal. Both work with your win9x.

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:37:53 +0200

Elaina wrote:

>I'm answering to the list because this is a broad request to anyone on
>geocities. Please stop the pop-ups. They don't care how much resource I
>have on my machine to spare when they throw one of those at me. I've had
>HUGE javascripts come in those pup-ups. At least the geoguide are size
>controlled at the moment. My mother's barely pentium can take 30 seconds
>or more to load the watermark, 30 seconds for each pop-up. Mothers copy
>of IE is more susceptible to death by pop-up than her netscape.


Are you kidding?? Do you really think we WANT those annoying pop-ups?

It's not even up to us. We give the HTML source and then GEOCITIES itself adds
the popup and watermark ("geomark") code.

And you're mother's "barely pentium" is pretty superior to a lot of other
systems used.

Sorry for my negative tone, but your mail agitated me.

Christian




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From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:31:50 -0400

Hi. I found Faye's page very good. At least, I was able to see almost all
images. There seems to be some lost links (or files). However, I think it can
be solve without major complications.
Regards,
Diosnel

Angela Wilczynski wrote:

> Faye Williams wrote:
> >
> > I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
> > Comments good or bad - are welcome.
> >
> > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
> >
> > Faye
>
> Faye...
>
> I can't see any of the thumbnails either.  When I look at your html code
> it see backslashes rather than foreslashes.....you might have a relative
> versus absolute reference problem. Also, although the link from the
> thumbnail seems to go properly to a page, the larger image is also
> missing.
>
> Angela
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From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 07:33:37 -0700

After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't
know why.  There's
only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape.  Who knows?
Anyway it works - kind of.

Faye
[e-mail]
http://www.sb.net/arkangel/

-----Original Message-----


>>
>> I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
>> Comments good or bad - are welcome.
>>
>> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>
>
>I cannot see any images.  I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0.
>
>
>Ken...
>
>
>
>
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From: Ron Barnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:26:26 -0400

Faye,
I enjoyed visiting your page. Rather dark themes though -- is that why you are arkangel? :-)
Ron Barnett
http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001

-----Original Message-----
Sent:    Wednesday, August 19, 1998 6:10 PM

I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
Comments good or bad - are welcome.

http://www.sb.net/arkangel/

Faye


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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:33:29 -0700 (PDT)

>
> After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't
> know why.  There's
> only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape.  Who knows?
> Anyway it works - kind of.

Much better.  However, Lava Flow on the Tierazon doesn't load.  Also,
the midi control box on the main page is truncated.  I didn't have any
problem with centering.

Nice images, BTW.


Ken...




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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:52:46 -0500

Elaina,

 - I'm answering to the list because this is a broad request to anyone on
 - geocities. Please stop the pop-ups.

GeoCities doesn't really give you much choice.  If you host your site
there, you either (a) pay, (b) include ads on your pages, or (c) get
pop-ups and branding.  I have disabled all JavaScript for geocities.com in
my web browser, so I don't get them; it's simple and effective, but makes
some pages not work right.  The price of some brain-dead marketing geek at
GeoCities figuring this was a good idea.  Just because you *can* do a
thing, doesn't mean you *should*! :-)

Things like this are why I left GeoCities.  (Well, that, and because I
*could* leave GeoCities.)

I can post detailed instructions on disabling JavaScript for all GeoCities
web sites in IE4 if people are interested (and don't know already how to do
it).

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From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:37:43 -0400

Hi Faye. I'm browsing with Netscape Communicator 4.06, and the only problem I
had was the missing links. Besides, at 800x600 it centers very well.

By the way, and this goes for the whole list, how can I run fractint? I
downloaded a zip file, unzipped it, but can't make it run. Note that I don't
have C installed on my computer. Is there any way to get an .exe file?

Rgds,
Diosnel

Faye Williams wrote:

> After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't
> know why.  There's
> only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape.  Who knows?
> Anyway it works - kind of.
>
> Faye
> [e-mail]
> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
>
> >>
> >> I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
> >> Comments good or bad - are welcome.
> >>
> >> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
> >
> >
> >I cannot see any images.  I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0.
> >
> >
> >Ken...
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) new web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:22:11 -0700

I think my page is loading correctly for both Explorer and Netscape now.
Netscape is the one
that caused a lot of problems.  Even though it is centered, one time it
comes up on the
left - the next on the right.  If you haven't visited or couldn't get it to
work correctly - please
give it another try.  I welcome all comments.

Faye
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http://www.sb.net/arkangel/


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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 17:29:03 -0400

Faye Williams wrote:

After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I
don't know why.  There's only 2 people who had problems and both are
using Netscape.

<snip>

Faye--

To center your full-size images, try using the <CENTER> & </CENTER>
commands within each cell of the table.  That should do the trick.

BTW, nice work - I voted "Western Horns" in Fractint and "Lava Flow" in
Tierazon..

Regards, Paul DeCelle

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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 17:28:10 -0400

At 10:22 AM 8/20/1998 -0700, you wrote:
 If you haven't visited or couldn't get it to
>work correctly - please give it another try.  I welcome all comments.
>
>Faye

Just visited - nice. Alien Landscape and Antique I liked.
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 17:35:41 -0400

Damien M. Jones wrote:

<snip>
>
> I can post detailed instructions on disabling JavaScript for all GeoCities
> web sites in IE4 if people are interested (and don't know already how to do
> it).
>
> Damien M. Jones

Damien--

I'd like to try disabling the Geocities JavaScripts - I don't however
run IE4; I'm using Netscape 3.0.  Is there still a way?

Thanks,
Paul

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 20 Aug 1998 18:17:59 -0500

Paul,

 - I'd like to try disabling the Geocities JavaScripts - I don't however
 - run IE4; I'm using Netscape 3.0.  Is there still a way?

You can disable JavaScript, but only globally (i.e. for ALL sites on the
net, not just GeoCities).  To do this, choose Options > Network Preferences
> Languages and uncheck Enable JavaScript.  Click OK.

For Netscape 4, choose Edit > Preferences, select Advanced, and uncheck
Enable JavaScript.  Click OK.  Again, this is a global setting, and will
affect ALL sites, not just GeoCities.

For IE3, I could not find a way to disable JavaScript.

For IE4, choose View > Internet Options > Security.  Choose "Restricted
sites zone" and choose Custom for the security level.  Choose "High
Security" and "Reset".  Scroll down to Scripting/Active Scripting and
choose Disable.  Click OK.  Now click Add Sites, enter
http://www.geocities.com, and click Add.  OK, OK.  Any other sites you want
to disable JavaScript on (like maybe Tripod) you can just add, without
having to mess with the Custom security settings again.

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Subject: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:19:15 EDT

Paul wrote,

> Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
>  of free server space <G>

Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ )  11 megs free, only require one link back to
Xoom pages, no adverts/pop ups.  Occasional they send you 'special offer'
emails - as far as I've found, these are the only drawbacks.  I don't know
about the other services that Geocities offer, but Xoom does seem quite good.
Also, the URL's tend to be much shorter (e.g. mine is
http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/  ).

Hope this isn't too off-topic

Luke

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Subject: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:19:15 EDT

Paul wrote,

> Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
>  of free server space <G>

Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ )  11 megs free, only require one link back to
Xoom pages, no adverts/pop ups.  Occasional they send you 'special offer'
emails - as far as I've found, these are the only drawbacks.  I don't know
about the other services that Geocities offer, but Xoom does seem quite good.
Also, the URL's tend to be much shorter (e.g. mine is
http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/  ).

Hope this isn't too off-topic

Luke

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 20 Aug 1998 21:34:17 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote:
> You can disable JavaScript, but only globally (i.e. for ALL sites on the
> net, not just GeoCities).  To do this, choose Options > Network Preferences
> > Languages and uncheck Enable JavaScript.  Click OK.
>
> For Netscape 4, choose Edit > Preferences, select Advanced, and uncheck
> Enable JavaScript.  Click OK.  Again, this is a global setting, and will
> affect ALL sites, not just GeoCities.

And good riddance!  I think I've seen a total of two interesting
JavaScript applications -- boutell.com's Geek, the Game, and one other
thing I can't remember.  On the other hand, I've seen more than a dozen
JavaScript implementation holes, essentially all of which lead to
violations of privacy.

Of course, since I have it off all the time, I might have missed
something.  Are there any web sites out there that have genuinely
useful javascripts?

Kragen


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From: "exile" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:46:33 -0500

    Kragen> Of course, since I have it off all the time, I might have
    Kragen> missed something.  Are there any web sites out there that
    Kragen> have genuinely useful javascripts?

 What are you looking to do?

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           http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/vangogh/354/exile.html
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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:18:54 -0700

Faye Williams wrote:
>
> After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't
> know why.  There's
> only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape.  Who knows?
> Anyway it works - kind of.
>
> Faye
> [e-mail]
> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>

Faye...

All looks fine to me now except one image in the Tierazon Gallery.
Lovely images!!!  I got no problem with the tables centering and I'm
using Netscape.  Nice job on a first page.......very nice!! My own first
effort was paltry in comparison.  Keep up the good work and keep
fractaling!!!

Angela

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:39:26 -0700

Paul...

Nice website and everything looks good to me!! Nice images.  I use
Netscape Communicator 4.01. Download times were perfectly acceptable for
my 28.8 modem in Californai at 7:30PM on a Thursday. I love that fractal
on your intro page and you've definetly tamed the bandwidth beast. I
suggest you add a title to your pages if at all possible since that is
used by search engines first.

Excellent pages

Angela

Paul DeCelle wrote:
>
> This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new
> PARS for the past few days.  Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I
> only wish I'd subscribed sooner..
>
> I too, have a Fractint site at
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html
>
> Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
>
> I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download
> times reasonable.   So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so
> thumbnails on each seems to work out best.
>
> Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
> of free server space <G>
>
> Regards,
> Paul DeCelle

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 14 pars (Jm-23)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 23:48:56 EDT


There's really nothing special here, but I kinda like the 1st two.....and I
guess the last two also!  They're all made with the same map too.  Oh well,
enjoy anyway.~

Jim

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****

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                     ; jacco212.map
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                     ; jacco212.map
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                     ; jacco212.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23
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  }


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From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) some recently discounted fractal books
Date: 20 Aug 1998 21:55:39 -0600

Some discounted fractal books you might be interested in:

<http://www.hamiltonbook.com/titles/2/6/7/267295.html>
STRANGE ATTRACTORS: Creating Patterns in Chaos.

   By Julien C. Sprott
   Create spectacular fractal images, using a new technique called
   strange attractors, and demonstrates how to design a program that
   produces an endless variety of patterns and musical sounds.
   Includes a 3.5" IBM PC suitable disk.
   Paperbound
   Published by M&T
   Well illustrated, some color.
   426 pages
   Item # 267295
   Pub at $39.95 Your Price $4.95

<http://www.hamiltonbook.com/titles/1/6/8/168394.html>
COMPLEX DYNAMICS AND RENORMALIZATION.

   By Curtis T. McMullen
   A study of renormalization of quadratic polynomials and a rapid
   introduction to techniques in complex dynamics.
   Paperbound
   Published by Princeton
   214 pages
   Item # 168394
   Pub at $22.50 Your Price $5.95

My only connection to Edward R. Hamilton is as a very satisfied
customer over the past year or so -- I've literally bought about a
bookcase worth of books from them at heavy discounts.

The first book is great for investigating chaotic mappings (with plenty
of illustrations and software included on diskette), and was written in
1993.

The second book is more for you math/programmer types who are
interested in renormalization theory as it applies to fractal sets.
(This renormalization theory is the basis for Linus Veptig's (sp?)
"continuous iteration count" method of rendering the Mandelbrot set, I
believe.)

I just got these books today and have only glanced through them, but
they look worth the money I paid for them and more.  You can also find
Tim Wegner's "Fractals for Windows" in their online catalog.  While
this book is a bit dated (it describes the version of fractint
embodied in WinFract -- version 18.2), it is still useful and a
bargain at $6.
                    -- Rich
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From: "Koppens,Ton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Misc. PARS & FRM's vol.2 of 2
Date: 21 Aug 1998 04:47:03 PDT

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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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=====================================================================

frm:Explode_M_2Ja (xaxis){ ; by Jay Hill 1998
                     ; after Paul Derbyshire
  c=pixel, c2=2*c,   z=0
; eight steps of Jay's formula for critical point
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3))
; finish with one of Derbyshire's Newton steps
  z2=z+2
  s=sqr(z2)
  t=z2*s
  ez=exp(z)
  func=t*ez-c2
  der=3*s*ez+t*ez
  z=z-func/der
 :   ; Paul Derbyshire's formula
  z=exp(z)+c/sqr(z+2),
  real(z)<=900000
  ;SOURCE: frac_ml.frm
}

frm:doublerot-xz-yw {; 1997 by Benno Schmid
                 ; after an idea from Jim Muth
                 ; re(p1)=rotation angle x->y
                 ; im(p1)=rotation angle z->w
                 ; p2,p3=4d-coordinates of fixed point
  g2r=0.0174532925199433
  e=exp(flip(real(p1)*g2r))
  f=exp(flip(imag(p1)*g2r))
  z=f*real(pixel)+p2
  c=e*imag(pixel)+p3:
  z=sqr(z)+c
  |z| <= 16
  ;SOURCE: 4d.frm
}

frm:=03 {
  z=c=pixel
  x=fn1(z-1/p1)
  y=fn2(x^(z)/p2):
  z=fn4(x-z)+fn3(y+(z-1))+c
  |z|<4
  ;SOURCE: new.frm
}

frm:Two_Ellipse_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
    ; Parameters:
    ;   real(p1) = a factor controlling the width of the curves
    ;   imag(p1) = iterations to skip
    ;   real(p2) = major axis, ellipse 1
    ;   imag(p2) = minor axis, ellipse 1
    ;   real(p3) = major axis, ellipse 2
    ;   imag(p3) = minor axis, ellipse 2
    ;
    w = z = bailout = iter = 0
    c = pixel
    width = real(p1)
    skip_iters = imag(p1)
    a1 = real(p2),  b1 = imag(p2)
    a2 = real(p3),  b2 = imag(p3)
    i = (0,1)
    index_factor = 124 / width:
    ;
    w = w * w + c  ; classic Mandelbrot set
    ;
    ang = atan(imag(w) / real(w))
    ell1 = a1 * cos(ang) + i * b1 * sin(ang)
    dist1 = abs(cabs(w) - cabs(ell1))
    ell2 = b2 * cos(ang) + i * a2 * sin(ang)
    dist2 = abs(cabs(w) - cabs(ell2))
    IF (dist1 < dist2)
        range_num = 0
        distance = dist1
    ELSE
        range_num = 1
        distance = dist2
    ENDIF
    IF (distance < width && iter > skip_iters)
    z = index_factor * distance + range_num * 125 + 1
    bailout = 1
    ENDIF
    iter = iter + 1
    z = z - iter
    bailout == 0  && |w| < 1000
  ;SOURCE: 290698.frm
}


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From: "Koppens,Ton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Misc PARS, vol.1 of 2
Date: 21 Aug 1998 04:46:15 PDT

Some PAR's made during the long nights of the last months of my wife's
 pregnancy.
Being now the proud father of twin daughters (now 2,5 months old) I
 have even less time to play around with Fractint.
If I have forgotten to give someone due credit for using his/hers
 colormap please let me know so I can correct this.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Ton

======================================================================

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                     ; CalcTime   0:05:59.69 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 10 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=Explode_M_2Ja
  center-mag=0.0015648/0.06147/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=647
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000zW0<93>d50d50d50d50d50d50<24>d50GGz<123>00O000<3>000
  }

98051004           { ; CalcTime   0:03:58.10 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 10 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=Explode_M_2Ja
  center-mag=-0.182208/-1.35052/7.751938/1/0/52.001 float=y
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  }

98051203           { ; Twins, using cmap3 by Paul W. Carlson
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:55.67 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 12 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_d.frm
  formulaname=doublerot-xz-yw
  center-mag=-1.63162/-0.76439/4.056049/1.4931/0/15.947
  params=0.02287487/0.1012789/1.0022798/0.941231/0.9842/0.48484
  float=y maxiter=147 inside=maxiter outside=imag decomp=128
  distest=1/71/1024/768 biomorph=1 finattract=y
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  }

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                     ; CalcTime   0:03:27.12 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 12 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_chr.frm formulaname==03
  function=sin/sqr/sinh/cosh center-mag=-1.14956/-0.653194/1.173709
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  }

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                     ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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  center-mag=-0.49105241229945550/-1.23097973742582400/113.7819/5.2904/0/3\
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  }

98051306           { ; ;
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:26.29 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=0.0718206/-2.07971/3.98557/0.6196
  params=1.91231321/0.91223 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8
  bailoutest=manr decomp=256 biomorph=1
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  }

98051307           { ; uses cmap2 by Paul W. Carlson
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:07.70 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.282861/-2.01167/4.59689/0.8521
  params=1.91231321/0.91223 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8
  bailoutest=manr decomp=256 biomorph=1
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  >MFj000<3>000
  }

98051308           { ; uses cmap2 by Paul W. Carlson
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:23.63 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.169731/-2.01621/6.526754/2.2094/104.583/-3.885
  params=1.91231321/0.91223 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8
  bailoutest=manr decomp=256 biomorph=1
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  >MFj000<3>000
  }

98051312           { ; CalcTime   0:03:00.54 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosh
  center-mag=0.440054/-1.59679/4.306632/3.7539/107.5
  params=0.07488485/0.913355 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8
  bailoutest=manh decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=00AhPX<51>haghIS<81>cz0hIS<72>oWJhISoWJ<27>r`GzpGzp8zo0<2>zh0ze1z\
  b1z_2z_2<4>zO4 cyclerange=1/240
  }

98051405           { ; uses gallet09_map
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:40.46 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 14 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=1.48123/0.612516/1.086176/1.6394/-40
  params=0.5450002/0.04848484 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256
  biomorph=1
  colors=wvy<10>npqmopmopmop<7>gkjfjieihdhgcgf<4>ZdbZdbYcaYcaXb`<2>VaZU`YU\
  `YU`Y<11>OVSOVSOVSOVSOVS<69>000wwc<21>j`DiZBiZB<13>aM2`L1`L1`K1<9>WF3WE3\
  WD3WC3VB4<6>S75R66R66R66<24>L11K11K11J11J11<32>000 cyclerange=1/240
  }

98051407           { ; uses cmap2 by Paul W. Carlson
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:33.30 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 14 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=lambda(fn||fn) function=sin/sqr
  center-mag=-0.00000000000000089/+0.00000000000000044/0.4065041
  params=1/0.1/1 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=MFjOOO<35>xxxzzzyyy<37>OOOMFj<46>MFjC0C<35>xUxzVzyVy<37>C0CMFj<46\
  >MFj000<3>000
  }

98051903           {; CalcTime   0:03:54.58 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t
  center-mag=-0.598191/-0.165396/14.97456/1.3067/107.5/44.408
  params=0.024786784/0.0921231231 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85
  bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=Wlw<10>JfuHetHdr<4>FalF`kE_iEZhEYf<8>BUWBUVBUUBTTASRASR<36>4AA4AA\
  5CB<12>BZUC`VBZU<22>6B56936A4<46>PbF<6>svc<6>feBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfD\
  rkDzqCzmC<8>v8A<5>x39<3>`A7000QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvagwfkwknxpryuvzzz<23\
  >Ymw cyclerange=0/255
  }

98051906           { ; uses wizz1013_map
                     ; CalcTime   0:03:37.26 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t
  center-mag=2.07243/2.08396/1.322751 params=0.044444415523/0.15154564
  float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real outside=atan
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000FFU<72>ttzttzssy<50>FFPUA0<56>zzmzzmzyl<65>UA1K00K10
  cyclerange=0/255
  }


98051907           { ;  uses wizz1013_map
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:48.34 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:Ton [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t
  center-mag=2.31877/1.96963/7.291159/0.7435/0/-57.638
  params=0.044444415523/0.15154564 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85
  bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000FFU<72>ttzttzssy<50>FFPUA0<56>zzmzzmzyl<65>UA1K00K10
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98051908           { ; uses wizz1013_map
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:54.45 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:Ton [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t
  center-mag=2.3852/1.91992/20.41602/1.6732/26.54/43.05
  params=0.044444415523/0.15154564 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85
  bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000FFU<72>ttzttzssy<50>FFPUA0<56>zzmzzmzyl<65>UA1K00K10
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98060102           { ; uses 004b-snails-rc2 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:37.19 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.00331004/-0.0461896/20.81798
  params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647
  potential=255/88/16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 finattract=y
  colors=cggdfh<5>c`ec_ecZecZecZd<88>VK3VK3VL4<91>uyjuyjuyjuyjuyj<2>swjswj\
  swjrwjrvj<49>bhg
  }

98060103           { ; uses bj-working3 map by
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:37.19 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.00331004/-0.0461896/20.81798
  params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647
  potential=255/88/16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 finattract=y
  colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\
  0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\
  0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\
  oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G cyclerange=0/255
  }

98060104           { ; uses combo6c2 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:37.19 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.00331004/-0.0461896/20.81798
  params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647
  potential=255/88/16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 finattract=y
  colors=000a0C<5>z0C00H<14>z0H00L<14>z0L00P<14>z0P00T<14>z0T00Y<14>z0Y00a\
  <14>z0a00e<14>z0e00i<14>z0i00n<14>z0n00r<14>z0r00v<14>z0v00z<14>z0z400<1\
  3>z00004<14>z04008<14>z0800C<7>Y0C cyclerange=0/255
  }

98060106           { ; uses bj-working3 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:41.17 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=0.0570241/-0.429366/6.185935/6.0065/0/2.034
  params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256
  biomorph=1
  colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\
  0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\
  0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\
  oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G cyclerange=0/255
  }

98060901           { ; uses 004b-snails-rc1 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:56.40 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 09 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=mandel passes=t
  center-mag=-1.94926328718898100/-0.47579094886696350/24.74174/2.3038/-32\
  .499 params=0.058458478647/0.28877 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=16
  bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000<116>pruwwztuxwwzsuxvvyrtwuvyrtvtuxqsvsuxprurtworurtvnqtqsvmqs\
  prumpsorulprnqtkormqsjoqmpshnqlprjoqlprinpkoqhmojoqhmoinphlnhmogkmhmogjl\
  hlnfikgkmfhkgjlegjfikefifhkdehegjddgeficcgdehcbfddgbaeccgb`dcbfa_cbaeaZc\
b`d`Yba_c`XaaZc_W``Yb_V_`XaZU__W`ZTZ_V_YSYZU_YRXZTZXQWYSYXPVYRXWOVXQWWNU\
XPVVMTWOVVLSWNUUKRVMTUJRVLSTIQUKRTHPUJRSGOTIQSFNTHPRENSGORDMSFNQCLRENQBK\
  RDMPAJQCLP9JQBKO8IPAJO7HP9JN6GO8IO7HJ6FN6GE7DJ6FC7CE7D78A97B298589466233
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98060903           { ; uses 2flex_web map
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:56.74 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 09 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:Ton [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=volterra-lotka
  center-mag=+0.29463656744073820/+1.74366929097651800/11.47185/1.6172/70.\
  665/-48.155 params=0.739/0.739 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=16
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
colors=78FYUq<11>MK`<2>MHPMFLMEHNCCKBBIA9F87<4>MCGODHPFH<3>VPIXRIZUJ_WK<\
  16>zzZxxY<16>0CC<45>MiYNjZNiZ<23>HHFGGEGFDFECFDBEBAF99<10>8D38D39D3<6>H8\
  6I76K67L58<19>_1P_1Q`1R`1Sa1Tb0U<24>E08C07B07907<3>125<3>56B67D78F89HAAJ\
  <17>ZUr cyclerange=0/255
  }

98060908           { ; uses combo6c0 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:14.68 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 09 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=volterra-lotka
  center-mag=+1.07038123167155300/+1.22913950456323300/1.008595/1.2519
  params=0.5456444/0.04646484 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256
  biomorph=1
  colors=AIIEQQAII<60>JcdKdeKbc<9>AIIZF0<50>vi0wj0wj0wj0<75>ZF0AII<2>AIIAJ\
  JAJJAKKBKK<39>KdeHYY cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061002           { ; CalcTime   0:04:07.83 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 10 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=explode_m_2ja
  center-mag=-0.889931/0.609058/4.901961/1/-90 float=y maxiter=647
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=00066a<43>00O000<3>000zW0<93>d50d50d50d50d50d50<24>d50GGz<78>66a
  }

98061003           { ; CalcTime   0:02:57.47 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 10 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=explode_m_2ja
  center-mag=-0.836205/0.774438/20.09/1/149.999 float=y maxiter=647
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=00066a<43>00O000<3>000zW0<93>d50d50d50d50d50d50<24>d50GGz<78>66a
  }

98061007           { ; Psychedelic dog with butterfly
                     ; CalcTime   0:02:35.06 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 10 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin
  center-mag=-1.2566/-1.11239/1.052189 params=1.01551452/0.9121212
  float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=STb<2>TWfIDzRNX<3>MatTNT<5>_jZSKS<10>UJWVIXTJR<7>d6ETJS<14>s1aPIV\
  <4>75iZMN<2>tS5SKR<12>NH8TMS<11>fucTMU<7>fgjUKR<10>qTFSKU<5>PJhOIkPPQLVO\
  H`LN`SHrRWLU<5>uXfVNQ<7>yk6UKT<9>uAdTHS<4>`0S_VUgfWSKT<10>NOnFenSLT<12>Z\
  hlSQX<4>VxwSJT<9>M9gUJU<8>q8sPOS<6>0qVULU<10>sWsUKSWKSZLSPKS`LS<8>uPSxQT\
  xST<4>xaT cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061502           { ;  uses combo6c3 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:18:29.66 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t
  center-mag=-0.06135899222163770/+0.11047823478619660/19.07344/0.7954/-13\
  0.185/37.867 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647
  bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\
  0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\
  4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061503           { ; uses combo6c3 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:14:03.44 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t
  center-mag=-0.00220749592193845/+0.06142119407763227/236.1016/0.7472/-13\
  0.185/-4.517 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647
  bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\
  0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\
  4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061504           { ; uses combo6c3 map
                     ; CalcTime   0:06:27.56 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t
  center-mag=-0.09881562397309002/+0.10651868860347650/38.45451/0.7954/-13\
  0.185/17.129 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647
  bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=QJB<11>000<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxx\
  ww<8>menlcmlbm<24>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>6005106100\
  00821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<7>SLC
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061505           { ; CalcTime   0:06:27.56 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t
  center-mag=-0.09881562397309002/+0.10651868860347650/38.45451/0.7954/-13\
  0.185/17.129 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647
  bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=ABt<65>8AzBBr<7>ODuABr<7>FDlABrGDk<59>pU4qV3qV3qV3<101>3BP3BP3CP4\
  CP4DP cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061805           { ; CalcTime   0:01:38.26 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 18 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx
  center-mag=-0.807003/0.467625/3.071297/3.8162/42.5
  params=1.02156489/0.05648648 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256
  biomorph=1
  colors=323U3ap3p<14>mCFm7o<10>9sHp4r<30>dyTp8m<6>tfCp3r<35>eAMp3r<20>rKb\
  lSohpko3r<28>ENop4q<25>wp3m5n<9>IS5p3r<18>omWnpUmpU<18>TgIRfHReH<13>ZSC
  }

98061901           { ; CalcTime   0:05:27.57 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=manfn+exp function=sin
  center-mag=-3.17497556207233700/-1.37679269882659700/0.8012821
  params=1.00000005/0.41468 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=QdF<54>TzQNH3<105>49ENH3<20>TMATMASI9TMB<67>laX
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061902           { ; CalcTime   0:02:00.71 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=newtbasin
  center-mag=0.226784/0.40678/1.71856/1.865/27.5 params=3/0 float=y
  maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=NLN<5>UWYH9CVY_<13>jwz<3>o`EqV1qV1<20>fYKaGlbGndHpG8B<33>4cqH9A<3\
  0>qt0GHG<2>GhYFrcH9A<26>yxCEAA<2>8GCJCA<9>mw2GAB<15>7r`H9B<13>cQWBHC6RE1\
  `GG9A<23>UXYG8A<20>3FJH9B<4>MJL cyclerange=0/255
  }

98061903           { ; CalcTime   0:03:24.16 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 19 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=newtbasin passes=t
  center-mag=0.219772/-0.140374/3.812343/7.0627/-59.814/6.581
  params=3/0 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=US`9H`<2>9uGA4k<2>E4z95Z<2>88A7A196e<4>9G`80p95h<5>7HxFJNLZ3E7a<5\
  >hR2LEY<2>ui69Aa<3>DYIFDgEcDFi8Gp3<2>Nn28dliWG<5>6zd<5>2dN<3>nTLr`6OJ527\
  P<3>8CWAEYBEY<5>J9bL8cOG`<3>bmL<5>ZnwGP8<3>SQfo3_<5>vsy<4>TYQ<3>RoW7Rq<6\
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  h<5>TzzDFhIRjNbmABh<4>HjrSBTM5j_7nA6f<3>FHjD4b<6>j948Bf<4>2kdA6a<6>NO3EK\
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  g<2>9BmEAeJGcOMb cyclerange=0/255
  }

98062102           { ; CalcTime   0:07:14.46 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 20 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=manzzpwr passes=t
  center-mag=-0.50000000000000000/+0.00000000000000000/0.6666667
  params=1.02156/0.6911/1.15656 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real
  outside=atan logmap=old decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=qbE<37>ANXudD<41>2OrvdC<25>cGWvdC<53>c6CvaE<7>pA`udD<35>0YlmZC<3>\
  E7DvdCvdCvcC<4>vdBvdBvcB<30>w`7 cyclerange=0/255
  }

98062103           { ; CalcTime   0:16:30.09 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 21 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=manzzpwr passes=t
  center-mag=+0.28983382209188590/-0.05084745762711840/2.898551
  params=1.02156/0.6911/1.15656 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real
  outside=atan logmap=old decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=COWANXudD<41>2OrvdC<25>cGWvdC<53>c6CvaE<7>pA`udD<35>0YlmZC<3>E7Dv\
  dCvdCvcC<4>vdBvdBvcB<30>w`7qbE<35>DOW cyclerange=0/255
  }

98062109           { ; CalcTime   0:06:11.30 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 21 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=quatjul passes=t
  center-mag=+0.31950156019017490/+0.11948288605872290/32.53191/1.922/90
  params=-0.745/0/0.113/0.05/0/0 float=y maxiter=147 periodicity=0
  colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\
  0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\
  0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\
  oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G cyclerange=0/255
  }

98062115           { ; CalcTime   0:23:54.76 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 21 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=quatjul passes=t
  center-mag=+1.27628198195899000/+0.10740652433058200/1062.564/0.8609/-58\
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                     ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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  cyclerange=0/255
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                     ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t
  center-mag=+2.06098142717497400/-0.00804172099087341/1.560432
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  cyclerange=0/255
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                     ; CalcTime   0:07:24.90 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100
                     ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t
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                     ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; CalcTime   0:00:13.95 at800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 17 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=tan
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:43:46 +0200

Luke wrote:

>Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ )  11 megs free, only require one link back to
>Xoom pages, no adverts/pop ups.  Occasional they send you 'special offer'
>emails - as far as I've found, these are the only drawbacks. I don't know
>about the other services that Geocities offer, but Xoom does seem quite good.
>Also, the URL's tend to be much shorter (e.g. mine is
>http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/  ).

If anyone finds his/her URL too long, he/she can always consider taking a V3
link. An example. The Fractint List ICQ # List (BTW, I probably will do a
major check for updates this weekend) is offially located at
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/6493/fractinticq.html
which has a v3 link:
http://come.to/fractinticq

PROS

- Shorter URL
- You can use a 'cloaking device' such that the v3 link will be shown instead
of the full URL
- It's FREE
- If you move your pages, you just edit the V3 link profile. You'll have a
constant URL forever
- You can choose between fly.to, come.to, welcome.to, surf.to and some others
I guess.

CON

- You have to place a small banner on your page (i have that) OR you should
have a popup window OR an advertizement delay page (I don't recommend that)

NOTE

If you use Geocities (and probably others) you should DISABLE the cloaking
device. You have to do this because of the relative urls of the form /xxx/yyy
that Geocities uses within JavaScripts. If you don't disable it, you'll get a
script error and you can't just rely on the assumption everyone's got
JavaScripts disabled.
XOOM has no problems with this.

So just go to http://come.to (or http://fly.to, etc.) You don't need to go to
welcome.to to get a welcome.to V3 link though, all choices are possible from
all pages.

I may really be something to consider. I guess most of you (like me) can't
remember all those terrible Geocities URLS :)

Hmmm. I forgot I had a XOOM account (since a month), but haven't moved in yet.
I still got to build some pages... and a Fractal Gallery.

>Hope this isn't too off-topic

Guess not. A lot of use use these services, especially Geocities. Lot of space
can be useful for fractallers I guess :-)


Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:47:20 +0200

Damien wrote:

>For IE4, choose View > Internet Options > Security.  Choose "Restricted
>sites zone" and choose Custom for the security level.  Choose "High
>Security" and "Reset".  Scroll down to Scripting/Active Scripting and
>choose Disable.  Click OK.  Now click Add Sites, enter
>http://www.geocities.com, and click Add.  OK, OK.  Any other sites you want
>to disable JavaScript on (like maybe Tripod) you can just add, without
>having to mess with the Custom security settings again.


I suggest you do the same for

www.fortunecity.com  and
www.freeyellow.com

Although the last one isn't so common, you shouldn't be surprised to get
*THREE* popup windows!

Christian




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From: Elaina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:48:07 -0500

Damien M. Jones wrote:
>
> GeoCities doesn't really give you much choice.  If you host your site
> there, you either (a) pay, (b) include ads on your pages, or (c) get
> pop-ups and branding.  I have disabled all JavaScript for geocities.com in
> my web browser, so I don't get them; it's simple and effective, but makes
> some pages not work right.  The price of some brain-dead marketing geek at
> GeoCities figuring this was a good idea.  Just because you *can* do a
> thing, doesn't mean you *should*! :-)
>
The first time I read that part, I thought you were talking about the
danger of loosing your account because you used "tricks" to break their
ads. They're are pages on geocities explaining how.  I read it again and
get how the advertisers did something they could but shouln't have. :)
Its a shame that the ultimate in internet repetitives doesn't quite fit
here. Me too! :) er I agree.

> Things like this are why I left GeoCities.  (Well, that, and because I
> *could* leave GeoCities.)
>
I now have an account with my provider for 5megs at $20 dollars a year.
I'm going to be moving the primary pages there and use geocities at a
place for older galleries.

Juice --have fun --harm none
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159
http://web2.airmail.net/ebt
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From: "Koppens,Ton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) PAR: Zoom into JM307NV2
Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:45:17 PDT

A zoom into JM307NV2 and some recoloring wich I liked.

Greetings,

Ton

=============================================================================

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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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  function=cosxx/recip/cotanh/sqrt passes=t
  center-mag=-0.658709/0.163846/0.1736065/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y
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3>\
  skYuo`un`<4>riYqhYogX<10>_TMYSLWRKUQJTOI<17>000<4>513
  }

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From: Elaina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 07:26:32 -0500

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:

> Are you kidding?? Do you really think we WANT those annoying pop-ups?
>
No. I thought that everyone disliking them was a given.

> It's not even up to us. We give the HTML source and then GEOCITIES itself adds
> the popup and watermark ("geomark") code.

Here I can see that I made at least one assumption too many. The people
who use geocities don't get to make the advertising go away without
going to another provider that doesn't add it. But, they do get to
choose "partly" what form it takes.
1. Add the code to insert a geoguide on everypage. Pop-ups don't happen
on a page with a properly installed geoguide. As of last testing.
2. Don't use geoguides and let the "infrequent" happen. I swear their
"infrequent" seems like almost always.
3. When you link to a larger image, you can have no add by linking
straight to a picture. Although, not using an html wrapper makes your
surfer use the back button.
4. Cheat and disable the watermark for all those people who didn't
disable javascript. Somebody told me the trick but I forgot it because I
had no plan of violating the agreement. When I signed up, I agreed to
the terms of service, including the invisible ink clause where they
intend to abuse you more and more harshly till you leave.

> And you're mother's "barely pentium" is pretty superior to a lot of other
> systems used.
>
I'm sorry that barely came off so poorly. It was meant as an example of
a machine that is probably in the middle of the pack on performance with
respect to the stuff that is commonly in use right now.

> Sorry for my negative tone, but your mail agitated me.
>
No real problem. I tend to be overly wordy. As compensation I try to
skimp on the parts that I assume are common knowledge. My track record
in this list seems to be rather abysmal. I'm about to give up on that
effort and let people skip my posts because of excessive size. It will
be better than the reputation of rude, thieving, fool that I have
acquired, judgeing from the responses to my posts so far.

Juice --have fun --harm none
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159
http://web2.airmail.net/ebt
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From: Elaina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 07:40:12 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ )

I can suggest fortunecity.com. I have read their terms of service
agreement. I'll check out xoom.com.

I would recommend against homestead.com. The last time I read their
terms of service page, they had a clause that looked open to abuse if
they or future owners of the company turn out to be not so nice people.
The point of broad interpretation was around how far their rights
extended over the content on your page.

I haven't read any other agreements, so I cna't say for or against
anyone else. Geocities and fortunecity looked harmless enough to my poor
vision that last time I looked.

Juice --have fun --harm none
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159
http://web2.airmail.net/ebt
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From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 08:49:53 -0400

Hi Paul. I liked your page very much. Keep on making fractals. Regarding your
comment on the fractals' nature (art or not?), well, I consider that it is
art. It's more than that, because it comes from a science.
I did not care too much about the adds - they showed on different windows -,
and the download time was fine for me (I use a microwave server).
Regards,
Diosnel


> Paul DeCelle wrote:
> >
> > This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new
> > PARS for the past few days.  Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I
> > only wish I'd subscribed sooner..
> >
> > I too, have a Fractint site at
> > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html
> >
> > Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
> >
> > I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download
> > times reasonable.   So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so
> > thumbnails on each seems to work out best.
> >
> > Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs
> > of free server space <G>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul DeCelle


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Elaina wrote:
> I now have an account with my provider for 5megs at $20 dollars a year.
> I'm going to be moving the primary pages there and use geocities at a
> place for older galleries.

Really, I think this is a good idea for everyone.  I don't believe the
economics of things like geocities can work out profitably.  I think
that what will happen is that they will insert more and more intrusive
ads until they go bankrupt.

In the meanwhile, most of them have unreasonable policies (if a minor
sets up a GeoCities Web page, for example, they can't put their email
address on it!) and fairly annoying ads anyway.

$20 per year for 5 megs sounds pretty cheap.  Have you checked out your
provider's EDGAR filings to find out if they are profitable?

Using a provider that goes out of business (or kicks you out, or drives
you away) has the problem that your URL changes, so you won't be
findable anymore.

Kragen


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Web site hosting
Date: 21 Aug 1998 11:17:13 -0500

Kragen,

 - > I now have an account with my provider for 5megs at $20 dollars a year.
 -
 - Really, I think this is a good idea for everyone.

I concur.  Many ISPs even include free web space with a "standard" dial-up
access account.  Five megs seems to be the common number.  You *can*
actually do quite a bit with five megs.  One drawback, though: check the
fine print of your ISP's Acceptable Use Policy to see if they restrict
bandwidth on personal sites to a certain amount each month.  Some people
who didn't check have had their sites become popular, and then received a
bill from their ISP for several hundred dollars for the extra bandwidth
used.  Typically removing the site will get you out of having to pay the
bill, but having to take the site down kinda stinks.  Dedicated home page
sites typically don't have bandwidth limits.  The *least* active gallery at
fractalus.com does 600M per month in traffic... for about 500 visitors.

 - I don't believe the economics of things like geocities can work out
 - profitably.

Advertising is big bucks; GeoCities brags that they get 850 million page
views per month.  With those kinds of numbers, they can charge a premium
for advertising.  However, things may change for GeoCities.  GTE (which
accounts for 4% fo the backbone of the net) has announced they will soon
refuse to exchange traffic from Exodus for free.  Exodus specializes in
hosting HUGE sites, including GeoCities.  Sites like this have a lot of
outgoing traffic, and very little incoming.  Usually peering agreements
like the one between GTE and Exodus are made in the expectation that
traffic is equal in both directions, but for Exodus that's clearly not the
case.  So GTE probably wants to change it from a peering agreement
(cooperation of equals) to more of a purchasing bandwidth agreement (like
you'd normally have with an ISP).  If that happens, and other backbone
providers do something similar, big hosting sites will have their economics
turned upside down, and GeoCities could be in trouble.

 - Using a provider that goes out of business (or kicks you out, or drives
 - you away) has the problem that your URL changes, so you won't be
 - findable anymore.

You can use a V3 link like Christian suggested, or register a full domain
name.  Registering a domain name is easier than ever; it costs just $70 for
two years to register the name, and $50 per year to have someplace like
NameSecure redirect it to the actual web site.  (NameSecure's fee also
includes e-mail redirect.)

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 21 pars (misc.)
Date: 21 Aug 1998 22:29:09 EDT



Here's some more images for everyone's viewing pleasure.....or displeasure!
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   Enjoy~

Jim

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 10 pars (fn*z+z)epsiloncross
Date: 22 Aug 1998 01:25:57 EDT



  These are fast drawing and kind of nice to look at too.   Enjoy~

Jim

******************************************************************************
***

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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New member of this lists.
Date: 23 Aug 1998 18:52:05 +0200

Hi all,

Mainly because Dean-Christian Strik (which i know very well) told me this
list was quite interesting, I became a member too.
Don't expect too mmany messages from me; I will first observe the
conversation(s) for a while.

I promised Dean-Christian Strik to install ICQ as soon as i became member of
this mailing list, so if all goes well you will find me in one of the next
updates of Christian's ICQ list.

Cubic,
my personal e-mail adres is [e-mail]


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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) version 20
Date: 22 Aug 1998 10:54:10 -0700

I don't want to be a nudge, but when is v20 coming out?  I have
been looking forward to working with the evolver and "formula"
type Mandelbrot/Julia spacebar toggle features (among others),
and the contest has reminded me of their absence.  In lieu of
a full release, is a compiled version of the current development
code available somewhere?


Thanks, Bud


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New galleries
Date: 22 Aug 1998 15:43:00 -0500

Good afternoon folks,

I have added four new galleries to fractalus.com, including two containing
images produced with FractInt:

    http://www.fractalus.com/galleries.htm

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 22 Aug 1998 17:48:55 EDT

Bud writes,

> I don't want to be a nudge, but when is v20 coming out?  I have
>  been looking forward to working with the evolver and "formula"
>  type Mandelbrot/Julia spacebar toggle features (among others),
>  and the contest has reminded me of their absence.  In lieu of
>  a full release, is a compiled version of the current development
>  code available somewhere?

How do you know what is in the pipeline for the next version of Fractint?  I
know of the Fractint wishlist, but is there another page of what is actually
planned by the programmers?

Thanks,

Luke

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Fractal gallery, 'z squared plus c':
http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/


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Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 22 Aug 1998 17:48:55 EDT

Bud writes,

> I don't want to be a nudge, but when is v20 coming out?  I have
>  been looking forward to working with the evolver and "formula"
>  type Mandelbrot/Julia spacebar toggle features (among others),
>  and the contest has reminded me of their absence.  In lieu of
>  a full release, is a compiled version of the current development
>  code available somewhere?

How do you know what is in the pipeline for the next version of Fractint?  I
know of the Fractint wishlist, but is there another page of what is actually
planned by the programmers?

Thanks,

Luke

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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 22 Aug 1998 15:26:49 -0700

At 05:48 PM 8/22/98 EDT, Luke wrote:
>Bud writes,
>
>> I don't want to be a nudge, but when is v20 coming out?  I have
>>  been looking forward to working with the evolver and "formula"
>>  type Mandelbrot/Julia spacebar toggle features (among others),
>>  and the contest has reminded me of their absence.  In lieu of
>>  a full release, is a compiled version of the current development
>>  code available somewhere?
>
>How do you know what is in the pipeline for the next version of Fractint?  I
>know of the Fractint wishlist, but is there another page of what is actually
>planned by the programmers?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Luke

The evolver was revealed by one of the developers, and
the toggle for formula types was something I "suggested"
after it had already been planned.  Both issues were
discussed on this list a while back.


Bud


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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 22 Aug 1998 21:54:03 -0400

Mark Christenson wrote:
>
> I don't want to be a nudge, but when is v20 coming out?  I have
> been looking forward to working with the evolver and "formula"
> type Mandelbrot/Julia spacebar toggle features (among others),
> and the contest has reminded me of their absence.  In lieu of
> a full release, is a compiled version of the current development
> code available somewhere?
>
> Thanks, Bud
>

This may have already been thoroughly discussed, but will Fractint V20
be Win95/98 compatable?  I would love to be able to take advantage of
multi-tasking and generate images while at the same time run other
applications.  I've just recently downloaded Ultra-Fractal, but haven't
done much with it, yet.  Guess I'm in my comfort zone with Fractint,
even with the disadvantage of running from DOS.

Gotta go - I'm up at 5:00 AM to go after the wiley walleye and magical
muskie on Lake St Clair (Detroit) tomorrow..  Best muskie fishing lake
in North America...

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From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 22 Aug 1998 22:42:10 -0400

cool! :-) hope the users connected to the server didn't get floored.

-----Original Message-----


>> Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:[e-mail]] boldly wrote :
>>
> >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't
>support dos VESA
> >>>modes.
>
>I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a
>Vectra w/ WNT 4.0),
>and it's still working...
>
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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 22 Aug 1998 23:59:05 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Turner Rentz wrote:
> >> Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:[e-mail]] boldly wrote :
> >>
> > >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't
> >support dos VESA
> > >>>modes.
> >
> >I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a
> >Vectra w/ WNT 4.0),
> >and it's still working...

640x480x16 is standard VGA.  Dunno about 640x480x256, which is what I
assume you're using...

Kragen

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 23 Aug 1998 13:09:51 +0200

>This may have already been thoroughly discussed, but will Fractint V20
>be Win95/98 compatable?  I would love to be able to take advantage of
>multi-tasking and generate images while at the same time run other
>applications.  I've just recently downloaded Ultra-Fractal, but haven't
>done much with it, yet.  Guess I'm in my comfort zone with Fractint,
>even with the disadvantage of running from DOS.

No, it won't. You can use winfract though (you can get it at spanky) instead.
But this isn't completely up to date with the DOS version.

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95
Date: 23 Aug 1998 13:15:10 +0200

Kragen wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Turner Rentz wrote:
>> >> Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:[e-mail]] boldly wrote :
>> >>
>> > >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't
>> >support dos VESA
>> > >>>modes.
>> >
>> >I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a
>> >Vectra w/ WNT 4.0),
>> >and it's still working...
>
>640x480x16 is standard VGA.  Dunno about 640x480x256, which is what I
>assume you're using...


Miguel wrote the maximum he could get is SF5, which is 640x480x256. According
to fractint, this SF5 mode is one of the 'VESA Autodetect (works with most
SVGA)' modes.

Christian




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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) web page
Date: 24 Aug 1998 13:55:42 +0200

Faye,

I have been to your homepage, and liked it very much.
There are some nice links, and the fractals are good too; especially in the
tierazon-gallery.
The whole site is a bit dark though, so it looks kinda sad :-(
Besides that, the sit is OK.

Cubic

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>I finally have a web page.  Please visit and let me know what you think.
>Comments good or bad - are welcome.
>
>http://www.sb.net/arkangel/
>
>Faye
>
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) webpage addition
Date: 23 Aug 1998 08:32:49 EDT


  My page is extremely basic. Mainly because I'm HTML illiterate. :(
However,....I had a very nice surprise here at AOL last night and I've added
them to my page for anyone interested. This is the 1st time that 2 of my
images have been picked in the same week! :)  The fractals are named *Kirlian
Fractal* (Jm04n007) and *Y2K* (Jm307nv1)   Enjoy~
http://members.aol.com/JimBeau549/index.html

Jim


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New member of this lists.
Date: 23 Aug 1998 10:28:57 -0500

Hans Bomers wrote:
>
> Mainly because Dean-Christian Strik (which i know very well)
> told me this list was quite interesting, I became a member too.
> Don't expect too mmany messages from me; I will first observe the
> conversation(s) for a while.
>

Welcome!!

If you wish to review some of the past postings to this list, try the
following URL which contains the archive:

    ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/

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       Because we're almost always right.
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From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Batch Processing
Date: 23 Aug 1998 12:12:50 -0400

You can use psp if you set the options on the jpg  save as
then use batch mode.

Try psp 5 if you don't have it already. TR

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>Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's
>in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails
>as quickly and easily as possible.
>
>Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint.
>
>Angela
>
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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) webpage addition
Date: 23 Aug 1998 21:22:24 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
>   My page is extremely basic. Mainly because I'm HTML illiterate. :(

Well, thank goodness!  It's easy to navigate, quick to load, and not
too hard to read, either.  If you were full of information about all
kinds of different HTML things, it'd probably be none of those.  :)

Kragen

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From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) webpage addition
Date: 23 Aug 1998 20:13:44 -0700

Very nice Jim.  I'm not surprised that 2 of your images were picked.  They
are beautiful.

Faye
[e-mail]
http://www.sb.net/arkangel/

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>
>  My page is extremely basic. Mainly because I'm HTML illiterate. :(
>However,....I had a very nice surprise here at AOL last night and I've
added
>them to my page for anyone interested. This is the 1st time that 2 of my
>images have been picked in the same week! :)  The fractals are named
*Kirlian
>Fractal* (Jm04n007) and *Y2K* (Jm307nv1)   Enjoy~
>http://members.aol.com/JimBeau549/index.html
>
>Jim
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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 23 Aug 1998 22:35:58 -0600

Bud asked:

> I don't want to be a nudge, but when is v20 coming out?  I have
> been looking forward to working with the evolver and "formula"
> type Mandelbrot/Julia spacebar toggle features (among others),
> and the contest has reminded me of their absence.

The Fractint developers have for the most part taken a summer vacation from
the development effort. The current developer version really should be released
as soon as possible. The evolver that lets you mutate fractal parameters is the
main new feature. Another is the removal of the 2048 pixel limit for most
purposes. These features are reasonably complete and stable.

The developer version still has a few issues that need to be worked. But given
how slowly the team is working these days, perhaps we should release a
public beta version. I'll discuss it with the team.

I can't make any promises how soon this will be released other than saying
we'll look into releasing it sooner rather than later.

No, there is still no Win95/98 version. Version 20 is not a huge blockbuster
release; the v20 nomenclarure just acknowledges that the increments between
19.0 and 19.6 included more than enough new features to justify incrementing
the version.

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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 25 Aug 1998 01:34:06 +1200

Formula Inclusion in Fractint .frm files.
A discussion paper.

Morgan L. Owens

*Introduction*

Recently I have come back to reconsider a suggestion I made on this list
regarding the possibility of a formula inclusion construct. This was in
response to the enormous formulae and formula files that were then
appearing, partly due to the introduction of the IF-ENDIF construct and
partly the ability to scroll through a formula entry in the Z screen -
both innovations appearing with v19.6. The formulae of Paul Carlson,
Kerry Mitchell and Damien Jones are examples in point.

Many of these formulae got their length less from the formula being
iterated than from elaborate bailout tests and colouring methods.
Another cause is the detailed annotation that many of these formulae are
equipped with.

The principal drawback of these trends is the large size and increasing
unreadability of formulae and formula files. Formula files have the
additional problem of large chunks of code and commentary being repeated
multiple times as they are reused in formula after formula. If one
wishes to use a certain custom colouring method on a new fractal, one
must copy all the code for that colouring method into the new formula;
the only actual difference between the new formula entry and the
original may literally be a matter of two lines.

So to consider this situation as one which could do with addressing, I
shall submit here a suggested approach to trimming formulae and formula
files down to size, while at the same time promoting readability.

This is a suggestion only; I certainly am not making prescriptions as to
what should be done, merely what could be done. I am not involved with
writing Fractint, so this paper should be considered not as a demand
that anyone need necessarily go along with it, but as serving as the
basis for a possible discussion among the Fractint community.


*A Suggestion: The # construct.*

The suggestion is a very simple one. Repeated blocks of code are written
under a formula name of their own, and when the formula writer wishes to
use one of these blocks of code in a formula, a reference to the block
is inserted instead. References are indicated by means of a "#"
character. This character has been chosen for a number of reasons:

1. It's already used in C programming to indicate a preprocessor
   command; for example, "#include <time.h>" signals the C compiler to
   include the contents of the file "time.h" at this location.
2. It has no current role in the Fractint formula language, so no
   existing formulae would be "broken" by its introduction.
3. It is not widely used in Fractint commentary. Of the files in my copy
   of the Orgform collection, only eight use the '#' in comments. This
   makes searching for occurrences of '#' (and hence fragments) easier.

Let's look at a very simple example. This certainly does not do the
concept justice, but does show the technical details.

Consider two formula entries:

Greebled_Lambda {
  z = pixel, c = p1
  #Greeble_initialise
  :
  z = z * (1 - z ) * c
  #Greeble_colouring
}

Greebled_Mandel {
  z = 0, c = pixel
  #Greeble_initialise
  :
  z = z * z + c
  #Greeble_colouring
}

The two formulae differ in only three lines (counting the name), and it
hides the fact that the "Greeble" colouring method (whatever that looks
like) involves seventy lines of code in the test, and four lines of
initialisation to specify constants and extra user parameters.

Of course, Fractint has to be told about those 74 lines sooner or later,
and elsewhere in the same formula file as the two entries above one
would find:

#Greeble-initialise {
[four lines of initialisation code snipped]
}

#Greeble-colouring {
[seventy lines of code, ending with a boolean bailout expression]
}

Assuming these four entries are the only four in the file, and assuming
an extra blank line between each entry, we have a file that is 94 lines
long. Compare this with the 159 of the conventional representation.
Compare also the 8 lines added by

Greebled_Thingy {
  z = 0, c = pixel+p1
  #Greeble_initialise
  :
  z=sin(z) + z*z/fn1(z*c)
  #Greeble_colouring
}

with the 80 added in the conventional setting (bringing the totals up to
(102 and 239, respectively.)

You will have noticed that the "#Greeble-initialise" and "#Greeble-
colouring" entries also carry the '#' character. The reason for this is
twofold:

1. Fractint would know to ignore entries beginning with '#' when listing
the contents of a formula file in the formula selection screen.

2. Strictly speaking, '#'d formula entries are "formula fragments"
(which is the term we'll use henceforth), and usually not complete
formulae in their own right. For example, in our mythical Greeble
example neither formula fragment is complete. They both lack a colon to
indicate the end of initialisation, #Greeble-initialise doesn't end with
a boolean expression for testing bailout with, and so on.

Some formula fragments may actually contain no code at all. For
example, one might have

#Copyright-notice {
; This formula is Copyright (C)1998 Ender Wiggin
; Email: [e-mail]
;
; No attractors were harmed in the making of this fractal.
;
; None of the opinions expressed herein are mine. They were forced upon
; me at gunpoint by the faculty of this institution.
}

Indeed, no doubt there are uses for the "#Nothing{}" fragment.

The usage of a formula fragment name is kind of a cross between the
"ENDIF" statement and a comment. It sits on a line of its own, it begins
when the '#' is reached, and it ends at the end of the name, which
follows the same rules as formula names. Anything following the name on
the line is ignored.

So for example:

z=z*z+c
#Stretch-z
#Tweak-z ;A harmless comment.
c=c+1
#Twist-about-centre z=c/p2
z=z+#Naughty-stuff

The statement "z=c/p2" is never parsed, and the last line results in an
error.

These restrictions - which basically force formula fragment usages into
lines on their own - have been chosen to minimise confusion when writing
and parsing. Does "#Twist-about-p1" refer to a formula fragment named
"#Twist-about-p1" or does it mean "#Twist-about minus parameter-1"?
Since hyphens can appear in formula entry names, the former is the case.
Note that "#Twist-about - p1" will be read as saying "#Twist-about".


*The '#' construct and the parser.*
There are virtually no restrictions on the contents of a formula
fragment. Any consective sequence of complete lines from a formula can
be bundled up and whacked into a fragment with total disregard for
syntactic correctnes of the result. Fragments could straddle the colon
and spill over from the initialisation section into the loop, IFs and
their matching ENDIFs could be sitting in different fragments, and so
on.

In the above example, if you really _did_ want to use #Naughty-stuff
that way, you can make use of the fact that the formula
language allows the use of '\' to spread statements over multiple
lines:

z=z+\
#Naughty-stuff

is legal. #Naughty-stuff should then at least begin with an arithmetic
expression lacking an '='.

Another example harks back to Greebling. Note that in every Greebled
formula, the line "#Greeble_initialise" is followed by a colon. Well,
why not tack the colon to the end of #Greeble_initialise, and then we
can drop it from the formula entries themselves?

Greebled_Lambda {
  z = pixel, c = p1
  #Greeble_initialise
  z = z * (1 - z ) * c
  #Greeble_colouring
}

Greebled_Mandel {
  z = 0, c = pixel
  #Greeble_initialise
  z = z * z + c
  #Greeble_colouring
}

Greebled_Thingy {
  z = 0, c = pixel+p1
  #Greeble_initialise
  z=sin(z) + z*z/fn1(z*c)
  #Greeble_colouring
}

#Greeble-initialise {
[four lines of initialisation code snipped]
:
}

#Greeble-colouring {
[seventy lines of code, ending with a boolean bailout expression]
}

When Fractint is reading a formula and comes across a formula fragment
usage, it jumps to that fragment's entry and reads everything between
the braces. When it gets to the closing '}', it jumps back to where it
had left off and resumes.

Exactly the same effect could be achieved by hand: copy the contents of
each fragment that is used and paste it in place of the inclusion
statement that calls it.

(Note for implementors: A stack of fragment calls will need to be
maintained both to keep track of nested fragments and to spot errors of
the "#foo uses #bar while #bar uses #foo" variety.)

Note that all this is going on while the formula is being read in. This
is important from the user's point of view because it means that the
formula displayed in the Z screen and elsewhere within Fractint's
interface is the complete formula after all included fragments have been
included.

This means that commentary about authorship, suggested default values,
etc., will be available to users without their having to worry about the
fact that both might be stored in fragments.

(Another note for implementors: Messages generated by errors within
fragments should refer to the fragment, not the formula that's including
it. The most niggly error in this context would probably be a broken IF-
ENDIF construct.)


*Fragments across multiple files - Toolkits*
One may use a particular fragment many times indeed, and have several
files that contain formulae using it. Rather than having a copy of the
fragment available in each file (which kind of begins to defeat the
purpose of having fragments in the first place), one may instead have
multiple-file spanning.

This requires a slight extension to the syntax of inclusion.
If the fragment you want to use, say #Mobius_Transform, is over in the
file Conform.frm then something along the lines of
"#Conform\Mobius_Transform" would be called for. I'm not sure about
using the backslash character here, mightn't a reuse of '#' be better?
"#Conform#Mobius_Transform"? At any rate, it can't be a character that's
already allowed in a formula (fragment) name, and probably shouldn't be
one that's already widely used in Fractint formulae (see note 3 on
justifying the use of '#' above).

Once this extension is available, however, one can build and maintain
toolkits of useful formula-type things: fractal definitions, bailout
tests, colouring methods, common transformations....

If the file (in this case, Conform.frm) is not found, or it's found but
#Mobius_Transform isn't in it, presumably Fractint will go on a hunt
through all the other formula files in an attempt to track it down.


*Distribution of fragmented formulae*
This could get fiddly. You receive a formula, but you don't have the
fragments it uses. Someone posts a complete 300-line formula, then posts
another 300-line formula with two lines' difference. These are two ends
of a spectrum of possibilities.

A sensible middle ground may be to post and email formulae and their
fragments together, without whacking the fragments into the formulae.
The increase in size of emails and postings would scarcely rise, and if
several formulas that use the same fragments are distributed together,
there would be a significant decrease. It would be up to the distributor
to make sure that the formulae and fragments as given would stand on
their own feet, just as Fractint users now check that pars have their
colour information intact, and are careful about supplying the formula
when it's likely that the recipient doesn't have it already.

A drawback is that it would make maintaining Orgform more difficult.
Sorry, George! :-)


*Interfacing with fragments.*
Basically, knowing how to use fragments is up to the programmer. Since
the fragment is whacked bodily into the formula, its usage of variables,
parameters, and so forth has to be consistent with the formula's own
usages in order to prevent rude noises and red text boxes or bungled
images. Suitable commentary is probably a good idea.


*Conclusion*
No conclusion. It's silly to start a discussion with a conclusion. It's
just that I've realised I should put this out now or I'll be tinkering with
it all night.

Morgan L. Owens



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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 24 Aug 1998 10:35:46 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Morgan L. Owens wrote:
> So to consider this situation as one which could do with addressing, I
> shall submit here a suggested approach to trimming formulae and formula
> files down to size, while at the same time promoting readability.
>
> . . . References are indicated by means of a "#" character. . . .

I think your idea is an excellent one.

To contribute to the discussion:
- I'm not sure that references to blocks containing only comments are really
    useful.  A comment saying '; see copyright notice at top of file'
    would work just as well.
- It'd be nice to be able to do recursion, which would mean having the
    "formula-inclusion" happen later on in life -- not in the parser
    frontend, but in the formula-evaluating back end.  This would also
    tend to promote better error messages, since things like IF-ENDIF
    mismatches would be more easily localized.
- Maybe your # marker, meaning "not a complete formula", is a good idea.

Kragen

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 24 Aug 1998 20:20:51 +0200

Morgan,

I like your suggestions very much. And I agree there's sure some advantage in
it, looking at ever-expanding .frm files.

Your '#nothing{}' blocks are actually unnecessary. Fractint supports multiple
comment{} blocks.

Of course something similar could be added to the .par files.
And even to the frm:{} entries in .par files.

Christian





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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc-Andr=E9_Rey?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) new site
Date: 24 Aug 1998 21:54:21 +0200

Hello,
(sorry for my bad english...)

My site  :
http://www.myale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
A amateur's site.

I hope  you like it.

Luc-Andre

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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc-Andr=E9_Rey?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new site
Date: 24 Aug 1998 22:03:28 +0200

Sorry,

the url is

http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html

----------
> De : Luc-Andr=E9 Rey <[e-mail]>
> A : [e-mail]
> Objet : (fractint) new site
> Date=A0: lundi, 24. ao=FBt 1998 21:54
>=20
> Hello,
> (sorry for my bad english...)
>=20
> My site  :
> http://www.myale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
> A amateur's site.
>=20
> I hope  you like it.
>=20
> Luc-Andre
>=20
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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new site
Date: 24 Aug 1998 17:47:25 -0400

>Luc-Andr=E9 Rey wrote:
> =

> My site  :
> http://www.myale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html


Luc-Andre--

I couldn't load your site - I get the following message:

"The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy.

Netscape Proxy is unable to locate the server: www.myale.org The server
does not have a DNS entry. Check the server name in the Location (URL)
and try again."

Maybe you just have an error in the URL as posted...

Regards, Paul

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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc-Andr=E9_Rey?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new site
Date: 24 Aug 1998 23:55:22 +0200

Yes, i'm sorry
the correct url is

http://www.myGale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html

I'im verry sorry for the inconveniences.Luc-Andr=E9
[e-mail]

http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
      - pour le plaisir des yeux...



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> De : Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
> A : [e-mail]
> Objet : Re: (fractint) new site
> Date=A0: lundi, 24. ao=FBt 1998 23:47
>=20
> >Luc-Andr=E9 Rey wrote:
> >=20
> > My site  :
> > http://www.myale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
>=20
>=20
> Luc-Andre--
>=20
> I couldn't load your site - I get the following message:
>=20
> "The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy.
>=20
> Netscape Proxy is unable to locate the server: www.myale.org The server
> does not have a DNS entry. Check the server name in the Location (URL)
> and try again."
>=20
> Maybe you just have an error in the URL as posted...
>=20
> Regards, Paul
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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc-Andr=E9_Rey?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Sorry
Date: 25 Aug 1998 00:02:19 +0200

I'm sorry,

the correct url of my little site is :

http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html


Sorry for inconvenciences (and my very very "little" english :-)

Luc-Andr=E9
[e-mail]

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From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Sorry
Date: 24 Aug 1998 15:42:19 -0700

Nice site. I like the fractals
Art Baker

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Luc-AndrΘ Rey
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 1998 3:02 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (fractint) Sorry
>
>
> I'm sorry,
>
> the correct url of my little site is :
>
> http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
>
>
> Sorry for inconvenciences (and my very very "little" english :-)
>
> Luc-AndrΘ
> [e-mail]
>
http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
      - pour le plaisir des yeux...



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From: [e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 24 Aug 1998 18:10:16 -0500 (CDT)

Yes, I do still read what's posted to this list - and when the
weather turns cold again I'll be sending some more of those
#!@%&* humungous formulas to the list.

> The formulae of Paul Carlson,
>Kerry Mitchell and Damien Jones are examples in point.

Since I'm one of the culprits, I thought I'd better give my opinion,
which is - I think it's a great idea!

>Many of these formulae got their length less from the formula being
>iterated than from elaborate bailout tests and colouring methods.

Yup - in several of my formulas which sometimes were over 50 lines
long, 48 of the 50 lines were pure coloring method.

Paul Carlson



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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 24 Aug 1998 16:20:50 -0700 (PDT)

>
> Yes, I do still read what's posted to this list - and when the
> weather turns cold again I'll be sending some more of those
> #!@%&* humungous formulas to the list.
>
> > The formulae of Paul Carlson,
> >Kerry Mitchell and Damien Jones are examples in point.
>
> Since I'm one of the culprits, I thought I'd better give my opinion,
> which is - I think it's a great idea!
>
> >Many of these formulae got their length less from the formula being
> >iterated than from elaborate bailout tests and colouring methods.
>
> Yup - in several of my formulas which sometimes were over 50 lines
> long, 48 of the 50 lines were pure coloring method.

Speaking from the point of view of a Fracint formula idiot, the more
comments in the formulas, the better.  Especially for one who is trying
to learn from those who have gone before.

What I would like to see, and I think would be a good addition, is the
ability to have the program search a FORMPATH environment variable for
formulas and/or search a directory tree for formulas.  I guess the
orgform program is an attempt to organize formulas for easier use, but
it requires the formulas to be placed in locations other than their
original file.


Ken...






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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) version 20
Date: 25 Aug 1998 02:03:23 EDT

In a message dated 98-08-25 01:44:44 EDT, Tim writes:

>The current developer version really should be
>released
>as soon as possible. The evolver that lets you mutate fractal parameters is
>the
>main new feature.

Tim,

???!!!

Exactly what does the evolver do and how does it work?  Sounds very cool.

Julian

~~~~~~~~~~
Julian Adamaitis

Fractelligent Designs
visit "Julian's Fractal Page"
http://members.aol.com/julianpa
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From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 25 Aug 1998 09:14:20 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)

I have looked through this paper with two hats on. As a
'fractitioner' I can see immediate benefits for writing and
maintaining my own formulae. When I put on my professional
hat as a programmer I am equally pleased, but more
cautious.

One of the things I look for in a language - and the
formula system is fast becoming a language - is
reusability at many levels. I do not want to reinvent the
wheel every five minutes, and when a piece of code is fixed
right I want to simply refer to it and use it again
somewhere else.

This proposal makes good sense to me in its concept. My
main concern is how this will work 'in the wild'. What
happens if two formula fragments accidentally have the same
name? If a manager such as orgform is used then the
immediate proximity link between calling formula and
called fragment may be broken - and the wrong fragment end
up in the formula. This would be embarassing if the
fragment was a copyright message, but hair-tearing if it
was an inappropriate formula!

Every time you have code making a jump to another file you
increase the risk of it making the wrong jump. Is there any
way that the chances of error can be reduced? I cannot see
any simple way of verifying that the fragment read is the
correct one.

This is not a criticism of the proposal, but a thought off
the top of my head. After all, even C preprocessors can be
confused by the workings of mere mortals such as me!

Nigel Long
University of Southampton
[e-mail]

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:34:06 +1200 "Morgan L. Owens"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Formula Inclusion in Fractint .frm files.
> A discussion paper.
> snipped


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 25 Aug 1998 08:32:41 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Nigel H. J. Long wrote:
> This proposal makes good sense to me in its concept. My
> main concern is how this will work 'in the wild'. What
> happens if two formula fragments accidentally have the same
> name?

Well, perhaps we could incorporate the author's name into the
fragment's name somehow?

author Nigel Long {
    fragment bnts {
        IF xyz
            z = z + 1
        ELSE
            z = z * 2 - 1
        ENDIF
    }
}

formula bob {
    . . . .; some stuff
    Nigel Long's bnts
}

This would avoid most name collisions.  And the syntax "[a-zA-Z0-9 ]+'s
[a-zA-Z0-9]+" should be clear enough (although someone might think it
was supposed to be a comment!)

> Every time you have code making a jump to another file you
> increase the risk of it making the wrong jump. Is there any
> way that the chances of error can be reduced? I cannot see
> any simple way of verifying that the fragment read is the
> correct one.

The above might help a little bit.  At least it would keep people from
accidentally naming their formulas into each other.

C++, Perl, and Ada use namespaces of different sorts to do this.

Kragen

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From: gilbert Donchez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new site
Date: 25 Aug 1998 18:38:45 +0200

Bonjour Luc-Andr=E9,

Very nice site.
    Gilbert

=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc-Andr=3DE9_Rey?=3D a =E9crit:

> Sorry,
>
> the url is
>
> http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
>
> ----------
> > De : Luc-Andr=E9 Rey <[e-mail]>
> > A : [e-mail]
> > Objet : (fractint) new site
> > Date : lundi, 24. ao=FBt 1998 21:54
> >
> > Hello,
> > (sorry for my bad english...)
> >
> > My site  :
> > http://www.myale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html
> > A amateur's site.
> >
> > I hope  you like it.
> >
> > Luc-Andre
> >
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) AGP video cards & 1600x1200
Date: 25 Aug 1998 13:09:03 -0400

Hi All,

  I'm about to get a new system with either the ATI AGP Xpert Work (8 meg=
s)
or the Millennium II AGP (8 megs): has anyone been able to use Fractint a=
t =

1600x1200 with one of these cards?

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) AGP video cards & 1600x1200
Date: 25 Aug 1998 13:29:54 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>   I'm about to get a new system with either the ATI AGP Xpert Work (8 megs)
> or the Millennium II AGP (8 megs): has anyone been able to use Fractint at
> 1600x1200 with one of these cards?

Hmm, if this new-hardware-buying stuff keeps up among the primary
developers, DOS Fractint will no longer be the foremost Fractint --
maybe XFractint.

Sylvie, what do you use your PC for?  Other than Fractint?

Kragen

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) AGP video cards & 1600x1200
Date: 25 Aug 1998 13:29:54 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>   I'm about to get a new system with either the ATI AGP Xpert Work (8 megs)
> or the Millennium II AGP (8 megs): has anyone been able to use Fractint at
> 1600x1200 with one of these cards?

Hmm, if this new-hardware-buying stuff keeps up among the primary
developers, DOS Fractint will no longer be the foremost Fractint --
maybe XFractint.

Sylvie, what do you use your PC for?  Other than Fractint?

Kragen

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) AGP video cards & 1600x1200
Date: 25 Aug 1998 15:33:24 -0400

Hi Kragen,

>> Hmm, if this new-hardware-buying stuff keeps up among the primary
>> developers, DOS Fractint will no longer be the foremost Fractint --
>> maybe XFractint.

  Oh, I am not a developer!  I just added a couple of stones to the soup!=

:-)

>> Sylvie, what do you use your PC for?  Other than Fractint?

  The only DOS applications I use are Fractint and the image viewer QPV
that both run fine on my Millennium under Win95.  I rarely use other
fractal softwares.  Other than that, I use MS Office, PSP, my communicati=
on
softwares and I spend a lot of time in archiving fractals <g!>.  No games=
!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Sorry
Date: 26 Aug 1998 21:56:58 +0200


Luc-Andr=E9 Rey wrote:


>I'm sorry,
>
>the correct url of my little site is :
>
>http://www.mygale.org/09/warey/fract/index.html

I visited the site.
I has a good layout, and nice fractals.
Besides the index-page that looks a bit dull and the French of which I do=
n't
understand more than a few words :-\ I must say I like the site.

cubic


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Page experiment
Date: 25 Aug 1998 19:06:07 EDT


 Hi all,

   I've finally begun to get the hang of it......slightly.  Here's a new page
with my images.  I can't figure out why *Inner Peace* appears the way it does,
but it's kind of neat actually.<G> And I still need to align the
thumbnails....maybe. Enjoy~
   http://members.aol.com/JimBeau549/jim3.htm

Jim

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Page experiment
Date: 25 Aug 1998 19:56:17 -0400

Hi Jim,

>> I can't figure out why *Inner Peace* appears the way it does, but
>> it's kind of neat actually.<G>

  Because in this image, color #0 has been made transparent.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:08:51 -0700 (PDT)



How's parsePar.pl working out for you??


Ken...




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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:13:03 -0700 (PDT)

>
>
>
> How's parsePar.pl working out for you??


Ooops, sorry guys.  Meant to send directly to Mr. Decker.


Ken...



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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 26 Aug 1998 17:10:13 +1200

At 10:35 24/08/98 -0400, Kragen wrote:

>- I'm not sure that references to blocks containing only comments are really
>    useful.  A comment saying '; see copyright notice at top of file'
>    would work just as well.
>
What I had in mind here was the fact that (as I had envisioned it) the
Fractint parser would read all the fragments in place when the formula is
loaded; the relevant effect this would have here would be that the included
comments would then be displayed in the <Z> screen.


>- It'd be nice to be able to do recursion, which would mean having the
>    "formula-inclusion" happen later on in life -- not in the parser
>    frontend, but in the formula-evaluating back end.  This would also
>    tend to promote better error messages, since things like IF-ENDIF
>    mismatches would be more easily localized.
>
It sounds like you would prefer something more like a genuine function
call, rather than preprocessed included code. If this is done it would have
the added advantage that one could consider including parameters to the
function call (getting around the interfacing problem I mentioned toward
the end of the paper).

The main disadvantage would basically be that it would make the language
more complex (especially since adding more extensive flow control support
would not be too far down the line then) and difficult to learn. But it
might be argued (mightn't it?) that the formula language's "flat" structure
is starting to become a drawback?

Perhaps this is a more fundamental expression of the problem that my
formula inclusion idea was intended to address: when formulas are only
about five lines long there was no problem holding them in mind as a
complete unit; with 50-line programs becoming more common however, not only
does code get written multiple times but it becomes harder to understand it
as a unit.


The '#' formula inclusion construct is intended to be backward-compatible
with existing Fractint formulae (since it simply extends the existing
language). If a more drastic redesign of the language is attempted, then it
may be necessary to eventually do something about thousands of legacy
formulae written in the "old form" which may be no longer compatible. A
sort of phasing-out scheme: Fractint supports "old style" Fractint formulae
for a few versions, while a utility for reading "old style" formulae and
writing "new style" equivalents is also supplied...



At 09:14 25/08/98 +0100, Nigel Long wrote:
>This proposal makes good sense to me in its concept. My
>main concern is how this will work 'in the wild'. What
>happens if two formula fragments accidentally have the same
>name? If a manager such as orgform is used then the
>immediate proximity link between calling formula and
>called fragment may be broken - and the wrong fragment end
>up in the formula. This would be embarassing if the
>fragment was a copyright message, but hair-tearing if it
>was an inappropriate formula!
>
This is perhaps the major problem with the idea of implementing '#' - lost
fragments and name space collisions. In some respects this already does
happen with Fractint formulae - how many formulae out there are named
"Mandelbrot"? - but at least then each formula is self-contained. With '#'
entering the picture there is the added risk of chimeras being cobbled
together when the wrong fragments are introduced.

Java implements the idea of "packages"; the contents of each package are
stored in a separate directory, the name of which has to be specified into
to access its contents. For example, to use the "Vector" object that is
supplied, one has to note that it's kept in the "util" directory of the
"java" directory, and hence one uses "java.util.Vector" to obtain access to
the object and its control methods. It may be that something similar would
need to be done for Fractint to help prevent collisions - though it
wouldn't cure it completely.

It seems inevitable that a '#' construct would need to have provision for
containing path information.

I'ts been suggested I download and look at Ultra Fractal. I've done the
first part, but only glanced at it - it looks as though there are separate
components in a formula for colouring, geometric transforms of the image
and so on which can be plugged in to the fractal-in-progress, but is there
provision for user-defined components?

Morgan



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 16 pars (Jm-04) again!
Date: 26 Aug 1998 03:38:01 EDT



  I really like this Jm-04.frm, but I think I need to move on and find another
type to explore.  Here's 16 more images to gaze at.  Enjoy~

Jim
ps ~ the page is getting better!  http://members.aol.com/JimBeau549/jim3.htm
****************************************************************************

Son_of_Kirlian     { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/24/98 t=0:03:31.74 P75@800x600
                     ; jacco260.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=jm_04
  function=conj/recip/log/cotan passes=t
  center-mag=12.1001/-4.32987e-014/1.34981/1/-90 params=500/0 float=y
  maxiter=25 inside=bof60
  colors=000`0M<23>D03B02C04<7>H0EH0FI0GJ0HK0JL0K<9>V2b<2>f4yb3qZ3jV2b<2>Q\
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  }

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                     ; jacco260.map
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  function=ident/recip/log/cotan passes=t
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  maxiter=25 inside=bof60
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  function=conj/recip/sqrt/cotan passes=t
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  }

Nova               { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/24/98 t=0:03:58.21 P75@800x600
                     ; jacco194.map
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  function=conj/recip/sqrt/tan passes=t
  center-mag=-1.95399e-014/-2.4869e-014/0.07538901/1/-90 params=500/0
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  }

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                     ; jacco260.map
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  }

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  center-mag=-7.10543e-015/-1.77636e-014/0.04213483/1/-90 params=500/0
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  function=cotanh/recip/log/cotan passes=t
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  }


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From: Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) click for larger version
Date: 26 Aug 1998 05:35:57 -0500

I should have time for my web page this in the next week. But a question
I have wasted too much time on so far arises. What size is the most
popular to have come at you when you check out somebodies' sites. The 3
most common seem to be 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768. If you feel like
answering, you may send directly to me and I'll be happy to post a tally
in a few days.

[e-mail] --have fun --harm none
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159
http://web2.airmail.net/ebt
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser
Date: 26 Aug 1998 08:09:26 -0400


How's parsePar.pl working out for you??

Ken...
Well, it's working quite well but I find that I've used hyphens and
apostrophes in my formula names and they seem to be considered delimiters
by the script. Since I used those symbols to set off modifiers for my
formulas (bills_xytrade-06 vs bills_xytrade-07), I'm getting lots of false
sorts when I get the flat file into the spreadsheet. Even so, from my first
look at the sorts I think it is going to be useful in guiding me in my
search for formula/parameter combinations that are 'better' than others.

At first I planned to study up on Perl and see if I could figure out why
the formulaname parse code was stopping at these symbols but I fear that
I'm way too much a novice at Perl to figure it out quickly. Perhaps you
have a fix for that, though I've imposed on you quite a bit up to this
point.

Getting the Perl software to my home computer also created a delay since
the compressed executable is about 60KB larger than a floppy, ... (long
story involving forgetting the second disk at work, discovering I didn't
have PKUNZIP at home, etc.) But I plan to get a tutorial and start with the
Perl basics.

Thanks again.

Bill D.



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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 26 Aug 1998 10:42:55 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Morgan L. Owens wrote:
> At 10:35 24/08/98 -0400, Kragen wrote:
> >- I'm not sure that references to blocks containing only comments are really
> >    useful.  A comment saying '; see copyright notice at top of file'
> >    would work just as well.
>
> What I had in mind here was the fact that (as I had envisioned it) the
> Fractint parser would read all the fragments in place when the formula is
> loaded; the relevant effect this would have here would be that the included
> comments would then be displayed in the <Z> screen.

Ohhh, OK.  I didn't understand.

> >- It'd be nice to be able to do recursion, which would mean having the
> >    "formula-inclusion" happen later on in life -- not in the parser
> >    frontend, but in the formula-evaluating back end.  This would also
> >    tend to promote better error messages, since things like IF-ENDIF
> >    mismatches would be more easily localized.
> >
> It sounds like you would prefer something more like a genuine function
> call,

Yes, those were the lines along which I was thinking.

> The main disadvantage would basically be that it would make the language
> more complex (especially since adding more extensive flow control support
> would not be too far down the line then)

You can do anything you need to do with IF-ENDIF and recursion.

> and difficult to learn.

This may be a significant problem.

Kragen

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start to think collectively.  What becomes of us still hangs crucially on
how we think individually.  -- Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the Web


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From: "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion - discussion
Date: 26 Aug 1998 21:07:54 +0200

Morgan,

> I'ts been suggested I download and look at Ultra Fractal. I've done the
> first part, but only glanced at it - it looks as though there are
separate
> components in a formula for colouring, geometric transforms of the image
> and so on which can be plugged in to the fractal-in-progress, but is
there
> provision for user-defined components?

Actually all formula types (transformations, fractal formulas and coloring
formulas) are user-defined components. You can't design new custom formula
types though, and there's no such thing as calling functions or including
fragments. The syntax is based upon Fractint formulas, but it has been
extended with loop constructs and float/int/bool variable types. Also,
formulas can have an unlimited number of parameters.

Best regards,
Frederik.


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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) sending images
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:34:36 -0700

Hi- I'm getting my contest entries ready to send,
and I sent them to myself as a 640x480 both
anti-aliased and not anti aliased to check the
appearance.  I sent them as a gif .
I have not done this before and I know that
a lot of you have done work with web
pages and reducing images to thumbnails etc.
I was surprised at how much the images suffered.
They lost a lot of the detail, and these were images
where a lot of the interest was in the detail rather
than in the big composition.  I guess this was because
I sent them as 640x480 and when you view them as
an attachment in netscape it blows them up.  I liked
the images as viewed in PaintShopPro better not
anti-aliased but as sent they looked better anti-aliased.
Anyone have comments?


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) sending images
Date: 26 Aug 1998 16:40:15 -0500

Kathy,

 - I'm getting my contest entries ready to send,
 - and I sent them to myself as a 640x480 both
 - anti-aliased and not anti aliased to check the
 - appearance.  I sent them as a gif .

That might have been part of your problem. :-)  After you're done
anti-aliasing the images, they will be 24-bit, so when you save them in
.GIF format, you are reducing back to 256-color.  This will normally
introduce considerably more loss than saving the anti-aliased image as a
JPEG file.

For some general guidelines on saving fractals in JPEG format, try this page:

    http://www.fractalus.com/misc/png-jpeg.htm

For tips on anti-aliasing images, try this page:

    http://www.fractalus.com/misc/antialias.htm

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: Peter Jakubowicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) What is a fractal?
Date: 26 Aug 1998 17:40:04 -0400

Is a fractal an object of a process, or is looking at it this way like
trying to prove whether the continuum hypothesis is true of false? TIA






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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) click for larger version
Date: 28 Aug 1998 00:16:24 +0200

Ellaine Tillinghast wrote:

But a question
>I have wasted too much time on so far arises. What size is the most
>popular to have come at you when you check out somebodies' sites. The 3
>most common seem to be 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768. If you feel like
>answering, you may send directly to me and I'll be happy to post a tally
>in a few days.

I think you would best use 1024*768 pictures in jpeg-format:
Most people use *at least* 800*600 as their desktop-resolution. When you
save the pictures in jpeg they won't be too big anyway, so why not use a
bigger resolution? I would think that especially whit fractals it's much
nicer viewing the pictures in a big resolution.
By the way; fractals made in fractint are 256 colors anyway, so why not use
gif: maybe that's even smaller than jpeg in that case.
I hope I understood your question well, and that my answer is usefull :-)

cubic



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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) click for larger version
Date: 28 Aug 1998 00:30:00 +0200

Ellaine Tillinghast wrote:

But a question
>I have wasted too much time on so far arises. What size is the most
>popular to have come at you when you check out somebodies' sites. The 3
>most common seem to be 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768. If you feel like
>answering, you may send directly to me and I'll be happy to post a tally
>in a few days.


Most people use *at least* 800*600 for a desktop-resolution, but 1024*768 is
a bit much for ictures on a site. And jpeg is the most space-saving format,
so I think 800*600 jpeg is an excellent format: Smoothe pictures that are
not too big.
Fractals made in fractint are 256 colors anyway, so you could use gif. But
the pictures will be smaller when saved as jepg.
I hope I understood your question well, and that my answer is usefull :-)

cubic




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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Page experiment
Date: 28 Aug 1998 00:35:20 +0200

Jim wrote:

>   I've finally begun to get the hang of it......slightly.  Here's a new
page
>with my images.  I can't figure out why *Inner Peace* appears the way it
does,
>but it's kind of neat actually.<G> And I still need to align the
>thumbnails....maybe. Enjoy~
>   http://members.aol.com/JimBeau549/jim3.htm


To the opposite of some other fractal-sites , your site doesn't only contain
very nice fractals: The site looks very friendly too. The layout is simple
but nice.
I like the site.

cubic


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From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Sorry for sending a message twice
Date: 28 Aug 1998 00:40:45 +0200

Hi all
(especially Ellaine)

I send a reply on Ellaines message twice.
The last one is the one I *meant* to send:
the first one should be in my recycle bin, actually.

appologies,

cubic


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fwd: The Beatles Updated  <VERY Funny!>
Date: 26 Aug 1998 18:39:14 EDT

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In a message dated 8/23/98 8:26:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FAQ-
[e-mail] writes:

>                   The Beatles Updated  <VERY Funny!>
>                    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>         Yesterday
>         ---------
>
>   Yesterday,
>   All those backups seemed a waste of pay.
>   Now my database has gone away.
>   Oh I believe in yesterday.
>
>   Suddenly,
>   There's not half the files there used to be,
>   And there's a milestone hanging over me
>   The system crashed so suddenly.
>
>   I pushed something wrong
>   What it was I could not say.
>
>   Now all my data's gone
>   and I long for yesterday-ay-ay-ay.
>
>   Yesterday,
>   The need for back-ups seemed so far away.
>   I knew my data was all here to stay,
>   Now I believe in yesterday.
>
>
>    ====================================
>
>         Eleanor Rigby
>         -------------
>    Eleanor Rigby
>    Sits at the keyboard
>    And waits for a line on the screen
>    Lives in a dream
>    Waits for a signal
>    Finding some code
>    That will make the machine do some more.
>    What is it for?
>
>    All the lonely users, where do they all come from?
>    All the lonely users, why does it take so long?
>
>    Guru MacKenzie
>    Typing the lines of a program that no one will run;
>    Isn't it fun?
>    Look at him working,
>    Munching some chips as he waits for the code to compile;
>    It takes a while...
>    All the lonely users, where do they all come from?
>    All the lonely users, why does it take so long?
>
>    Eleanor Rigby
>    Crashes the system and loses 6 hours of work;
>    Feels like a jerk.
>    Guru MacKenzie
>    Wiping the crumbs off the keys as he types in the code;
>    Nothing will load.
>    All the lonely users, where do they all come from?
>    All the lonely users, why does it take so long?
>
>    ====================================
>
>         Unix Man
>         --------
>    He's a real UNIX Man
>    Sitting in his UNIX LAN
>    Making all his UNIX plans
>    For nobody.
>
>    Knows the blocksize from du(1)
>    Cares not where /dev/null goes to
>    Isn't he a bit like you
>    And me?
>
>    UNIX Man, please listen(2)
>    My lpd(8) is missin'
>    UNIX Man
>    The wo-o-o-orld is at(1) your command.
>    He's as wise as he can be
>    Uses lex and yacc and C
>    UNIX Man, can you help me At all?
>
>    UNIX Man, don't worry
>    Test with time(1), don't hurry UNIX Man
>    The new kernel boots, just like you had planned.
>    He's a real UNIX Man Sitting in his UNIX LAN
>    Making all his UNIX .plans For nobody ...
>    Making all his UNIX .plans For nobody.
>
>    ===================================
>
>         Write in C ("Let it Be")
>         ------------------------
>    When I find my code in tons of trouble,
>    Friends and colleagues come to me,
>    Speaking words of wisdom:
>    "Write in C."
>
>    As the deadline fast approaches,
>    And bugs are all that I can see,
>    Somewhere, someone whispers:
>    "Write in C."
>
>    Write in C, Write in C,
>    Write in C, oh, Write in C.
>    LOGO's dead and buried,
>    Write in C.
>
>    I used to write a lot of FORTRAN,
>    For science it worked flawlessly.
>    Try using it for graphics!
>    Write in C.
>
>    If you've just spent nearly 30 hours,
>    Debugging some assembly,
>    Soon you will be glad to
>    Write in C.
>
>    Write in C, Write in C,
>    Write in C, yeah, Write in C.
>    BASIC's not the answer.
>    Write in C.
>
>    Write in C, Write in C
>    Write in C, oh, Write in C.
>    Pascal won't quite cut it.
>    Write in C.
>
>    ==========================
>
>         Something
>         ---------
>    Something in the way it fails,
>    Defies the algorithm's logic!
>    Something in the way it coredumps...
>    I don't want to leave it now
>    I'll fix this problem somehow
>    Somewhere in the memory I know,
>    A pointer's got to be corrupted.
>    Stepping in the debugger will show me...
>
>    I don't want to leave it now
>    I'm too close to leave it now
>    You're asking me can this code go?
>    I don't know, I don't know...
>    What sequence causes it to blow?
>    I don't know, I don't know...
>
>    Something in the initializing code?
>    And all I have to do is think of it!
>    Something in the listing will show me...
>    I don't want to leave it now
>    I'll fix this tonight I vow!
>


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  Uses lex and yacc and C
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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) sending images
Date: 26 Aug 1998 16:15:37 -0700

Thanks, Damien. Great page.  And
thanks for hosting the contest.

 http://www.fractalus.com/misc/png-jpeg.htm



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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Spam?
Date: 26 Aug 1998 16:12:46 -0700


    Opinion?

    Just read a posting from Damascena.  Maybe humorous, maybe not - but ended
up as spam.  Am I wrong?

    One of the joys of this message list has been freedom from advertisers.
No magazine or newspaper ads, no commercial breaks, no posters - just
people with common interests exchanging opinions and advice.

    Am I wrong?  Don't want to impose a view but the end of that posting
seemed dangerously close to an ad.  The humor was the come-on leading to
the advertisement.

    I DID think the parodies were amusing.  What a shame it was not left at that.

                        Ray


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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Spam?
Date: 26 Aug 1998 16:22:34 -0700

Hi, Ray!

> . . . the end of that posting
>seemed dangerously close to an ad.  The humor was the come-on leading
to
>the advertisement.
>
> I DID think the parodies were amusing.  What a shame it was not left
at that.


I don't object to the mailing.  Even the "advertising" related to a free
mailing of jokes and humorous materials.  I might feel differently if
there was a charge involved.

I do see your point, though.  If everyone posted their interesting and
humorous thoughts instead of just their fractal info, the mailing list
could get out of hand in a hurry!

Linda


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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Spam?
Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:07:20 +1200

At 16:22 26/08/98 -0700, Linda wrote:
>
>I don't object to the mailing.  Even the "advertising" related to a free
>mailing of jokes and humorous materials.  I might feel differently if
>there was a charge involved.
>
There was an ad for a book in there as well; but I'm prepared to let this
one pass this time - it may well have been a mis-addressing (something I've
done in the past myself!) and giving the benefit of the doubt.

Morgan L. "Munificence Incarnate" Owens


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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New Images on Web
Date: 26 Aug 1998 22:15:09 -0400

Hello, All--

I've added a new page to my site (No pop-ups!) and have resized my
full-size 1024 X 768 images to 640 X 480 in an attempt to cut down on
load time.  I'd be interested in feedback on the relative merits of the
different image sizes for browser viewing.

My PAR and FRM files are specific to each image, uploaded at TXT files.
Question:  Would it work better to combine all the PARs and all the FRMs
for the images on each page into just a single PAR file and a single FRM
file at the bottom of the page?  The way I have it set up now requires
some file manipulation to set them so Fractint recognizes them.  Any
suggestions?

New page:  http://members.xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/Exhibit4.html
Contains six images so far, heavily inspired and influenced by Sylvie
Gallet's wonderful formulas..

Regards, Paul

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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Pickover's Book "Chaos and Fractals"
Date: 26 Aug 1998 21:57:00 -0500

Chaos and Fractals: A Computer Graphical Journey


Chaos and Fractals: A Computer Graphical Journey
A 10 Year Compilation of Advanced Research
Edited by Clifford A. Pickover
Elsevier, August, 1998, ISBN 0-444-50002-2
Lots of Color Plates and Computational Recipes!
Book can be ordered from www.amazom.com, or from
http://www.elsevier.com/inca/publications/store/6/0/1/2/5/9/



Overview:

These days computer-generated fractal patterns are everywhere, from squiggly designs on computer art
posters to illustrations in the most serious of physics journals. Interest continues to grow among scientists
and, rather surprisingly, artists and designers. This book provides visual demonstrations of complicated
and beautiful structures that can arise in systems, based on simple rules. It also presents papers on
seemingly paradoxical combinations of randomness and structure in systems of mathematical, physical,
biological, electrical, chemical, and artistic interest. Topics include: iteration, cellular automata, bifurcation
maps, fractals, dynamical systems, patterns of nature created through simple rules, and aesthetic graphics
drawn from the universe of mathematics and art. Chaos and Fractals is divided into six parts: Geometry
and Nature; Attractors; Cellular Automata, Gaskets, and Koch Curves; Mandelbrot, Julia and Other
Complex Maps; Iterated Function Systems; and Computer Art. Additionally, information on the latest
practical applications of fractals and on the use of fractals in commercial products such as the antennas
and reaction vessels is presented. In short, fractals are increasingly finding application in practical products
where computer graphics and simulations are integral to the design process. Each of the six sections has
an introduction by the editor including the latest research, references, and updates in the field. This book
is enhanced with numerous color illustrations, a comprehensive index, and the many computer program
examples encourage reader involvement.

Bibliographic Information: Beautiful-Quality Large Hardbound, High-Quality Paper and Color.
ISBN: 0-444-50002-2, 448 pages.

Contents

Introduction

Part 1. Geometry and Nature
Chaos game visualization of sequences (H. J. Jeffrey). Tumor growth simulation (W. Dⁿchting).
Computer simulation of the morphology and development of several species of seaweed using
Lindenmayer systems (J.D. Corbit, D.J. Garbary). Generating fractals from Voronoi diagrams (K.W.
Shirriff). Circles with kiss: a note on osculatory packing (C.A. Pickover). Graphical identification of
spatio-temporal chaos (A.V. Holden, A.V. Panfilov). Manifolds and control of chaotic systems (H.
Qammari, A. Venkatesan). A vacation on Mars - an artist's journey in a computer graphics world (C.A.
Pickover).

Part II. Attractors
Automatic Generation of strange attractors (J.C. Sprott). Attractors with dueling symmetry (C.A. Reiter).
A new feature in HΘnon's map (M. Michelitsch, O.E. R÷ssler). Lyapunov exponents of the logistics map
with periodic forcing (M. Markus, B. Hess). Toward a better understanding of fractality in nature (M.
Klein, O.E. R÷ssler, J. Parisi, J. Peinke, G. Baier, C. Khalert, J.L. Hudson). On the dynamics of real
polynomials on the plane (A.O. Lopes). Phase portraits for parametrically excited pendula: an exercise in
multidimensional data visualisation (D. Pottinger, S. Todd, I. Rodrigues, T. Mullin, A. Skeldon).
Self-reference and paradox in two and three dimensions (P. Grim, G. Mar, M. Neiger, P. St. Denis).
Visualizing the effects of filtering chaotic signals (M.T. Rosenstein, J.J. Collins). Oscillating iteration paths
in neural networks learning (R. Rojas). The crying of fractal batrachion 1,489 (C.A. Pickover). Evaluating
pseudo-random number generators (R.L. Bowman).

Part III. Cellular Automata, Gaskets, and Koch Curves
Sensitivity in cellular automata: some examples (M. Frame). One tub, eight blocks, twelve blinkers and
other views of life (J.E. Pulsifer, C.A. Reiter). Scouts in hyperspace (S. Shepard, A. Simoson). Sierpinski
fractals and GCDs (C.A. Reiter). Complex patterns generated by next nearest neighbors cellular automata
(W. Li). On the congruence of binary patterns generated by modular arithmetic on a parent array (A.
Lakhtakia, D.E. Passoja). A simple gasket derived from prime numbers (A. Lakhtakia). Discrete
approximation of the Koch curve (S.C. Hwang, H.S. Yang). Visualizing Cantor cheese construction (C.A.
Pickover, K. McCarty). Notes on Pascal's pyramid for personal computer users (J. Nugent). Patterns
generated by logical operators (M. Szyszkowicz).

Part IV. Mandelbrot, Julia and Other Complex Maps
A tutorial on efficient computer graphics representations of the Mandelbrot set (R. Rojas). Julia sets in the
quaternions (A. Norton). Self-similar sequences and chaos from Gauss sums (A. Lakhtakia, R. Messier).
Color maps generated by "trigonometric iteration loops" (M. Michelitsch). A note on Halley's method (R.
Reeves). A note on some internal structures of the Mandelbrot set (K. J. Hopper ). The method of
secants (J.D. Jones). A generalized Mandelbrot set and the role of critical points (M. Frame, J.
Robertson). A new scaling along the spike of the Mandelbrot set (M. Frame, A.G. Davis Philip, A.
Robocci). Further insights into Halley's method (R. Reeves). Visualizing the dynamics of the Rayleigh
quotient iteration (C.A. Reiter). The "burning ship" and its quasi-Julia sets (M. Michelitsch, O. E.
R÷ssler). Field lines in Mandelbrot set (K.W. Phillip). A tutorial on the visualization of forward orbits
associated with Siegel disks in the quadratic Julia sets (G.T. Miller). Image generation by Blaschke
products in the unit disk (H.S. Kim, H.O. Kim, S.Y. Shin). An investigation of fractals generated by z 1/z
-n + c (K.W. Shirriff). Infinite-corner-point fractal image generation by Newton's method for solving
exp[-a ( + z)( - z)] -1 = 0 (Y.B. Kim, H.S. Kim, H.O. Kim, S.Y. Shin). Chaos and elliptic curves (S.D.
Balkin, E.L. Golebiewski, C.A. Reiter). Newton's methods for multiple roots (W.J. Gilbert). Warped
midgets in the Mandelbrot set (A.G. Davis Philip, M. Frame, A. Robucci). Automatic generation of
general quadratic map basins (J.C. Sprott, C.A. Pickover). Part V. Iterated Function Systems. Some
nonlinear iterated function systems (M. Frame, M. Angers). Balancing order and chaos in image
generation (K. Culik II, S. Dube). Estimating the spatial extent of attractors of iterated function systems
(D. Canright). Automatic generation of iterated function systems (J.C. Sprott). Modelling and rendering of
nonlinear iterated function systems (E. Gr÷ller).

Part VI. Computer Art
Automatic parallel generation of aeolian fractals on the IBM power visualization system (C.A. Pickover).
Julia set art and fractals in the complex plane (I.D. Entwistle). Methods of displaying the behaviour of the
mapping z z2 + (I.D. Entwistle). AUTUMN - a recipe for artistic fractal images (J.E. Loyless).
Biomorphic mitosis (D. Stuedell). Computer art representing the behavior of the Newton-Raphson
method (D.J. Walter). Systemized serendipity for producing computer art (D. Walter). Computer art from
Newton's, Secant, and Richardson's methods (D. Walter). Author index. Subject index.

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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) DeCelle site address
Date: 26 Aug 1998 20:10:28 -0700


    Went to Paul's new page site, got a drop-down box, 'address not found.'
    Checked both my typing and the address as posted and both were the same,
so there is a problem, - somewhere.
    Paul, is the address as posted correct?

                    Ray


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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) DeCelle site address is okay as typed
Date: 26 Aug 1998 22:48:37 -0500

Ray Montgomery wrote:
>
>         Went to Paul's new page site, got a drop-down box, 'address not found.'
>         Checked both my typing and the address as posted and both were the same,
> so there is a problem, - somewhere.
>         Paul, is the address as posted correct?
>

After reading your posting, Ray, I went to the original message and clicked on
the indicated Web site. Got to it with no problem at all.

Bob Margolis

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Images on Web
Date: 26 Aug 1998 23:52:05 EDT

Hi Paul!

In a message dated 98-08-26 22:15:30 EDT, you write:

<< I've added a new page to my site (No pop-ups!) and have resized my
 full-size 1024 X 768 images to 640 X 480 in an attempt to cut down on
 load time.  I'd be interested in feedback on the relative merits of the
 different image sizes for browser viewing.   >>

I find 640 x 480 more compatible with my monitor (15") size and of course
quicker to download!

<<My PAR and FRM files are specific to each image, uploaded at TXT files.
Question:  Would it work better to combine all the PARs and all the FRMs
for the images on each page into just a single PAR file and a single FRM
file at the bottom of the page?   >>

Definitely!

<<New page:  http://members.xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/Exhibit4.html
Contains six images so far, heavily inspired and influenced by Sylvie
Gallet's wonderful formulas..>>

Ahhh... Sylvie Gallet!!   I like your bat image and Hurricane at Midnight.


******************************************************************************
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http://members.aol.com/maksoy/vistfrac/vistfrac.htm (site #35
on the Infinite Fractal Loop).
http://members.aol.com/fractasy/fractasy.htm

Why does my landscape keep printing out sideways?
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******************




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) click for larger version
Date: 27 Aug 1998 12:57:21 +0200

Hans wrote:

>By the way; fractals made in fractint are 256 colors anyway, so why not use
>gif: maybe that's even smaller than jpeg in that case.
>I hope I understood your question well, and that my answer is usefull :-)


Although fractint images are actually 256-color, more and more people are
starting to anti-alias their images -- see
www.fractalus.com/misc/antialias.htm for details -- and then get true color
output. Of course gif can't be used anymore then.

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Spam?
Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:23:34 +0200

I don't object to this particular mail. If such mail is occasionally posted, I
don't mind.

I don't mind the 'ad'. Remember, the ad was inside the att. If the mail isn't
interesting to you, I reckon you don't take a look at the att (and so the
ad) --- at,add,ad --- and don't see the ad then.

So, IMHO, there's no need to complain about the ad. Actually, the real ad was
at the beginning, not at the end.


Christian

PS.: Don't think I've added additional adds, ads, ats and atts :-)

Add. PS.: I only know the Beatles from a previous lifetime. Of the original
songs mentioned, I know only titles (except for Yesterday, which I can even
sing along). So to me the texts were somewhat humorous, but I missed the full,
hmm... well, atmosphere, I guess.




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Images on Web
Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:30:26 +0200

Paul wrote:

>My PAR and FRM files are specific to each image, uploaded at TXT files.
>Question:  Would it work better to combine all the PARs and all the FRMs
>for the images on each page into just a single PAR file and a single FRM
>file at the bottom of the page?  The way I have it set up now requires
>some file manipulation to set them so Fractint recognizes them.  Any
>suggestions?


I'd say there definitely needs to be a par file containing all par entries.
And a separate file for the frms (instead of frm: entries in the par file).

Depending on the size, it *might* be a good idea to *also* provide a zipped
version of the par file.

Christian








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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Images on Web
Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:33:41 +0200

Mark wrote:

>I find 640 x 480 more compatible with my monitor (15") size and of course
>quicker to download!


If you find 640x480 "more compatible with your 15" monitor", I wonder what
you'd think suitable for a 12" laptop screen :-)

You either have a real bad monitor or really underestimate your monitor. :-)

Christian




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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Spam?
Date: 27 Aug 1998 07:41:30 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Ray Montgomery wrote:
>     Just read a posting from Damascena.  Maybe humorous, maybe not -
> but ended up as spam.  Am I wrong?

It would have been spam if Damascena had posted it in many places.  But
it was certainly unsolicited advertising, and off-topic.

BTW: search the web for "filk" if you liked those songs, because there
are thousands of others.  They were not written by the ad sponsors.

Kragen

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start to think collectively.  What becomes of us still hangs crucially on
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) another new page
Date: 27 Aug 1998 07:58:54 EDT


  Here's another page I slapped together last night.  There's a total of 12
images which are some favorites of mine that I have posted in AOL, 2 of which
are 3D types that I couldn't post to the list as a parfile.  The page is very
similiar to the one I made recently, and will be touched up in the near
future, however...all the images can be viewed and downloaded as of now.
Enjoy~
     http://members.aol.com/jweaver285/page1.htm

Jim

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 27 Aug 1998 16:05:27 +0200

Some of us (see below), for some reason got a 'message' which was REAL SPAM.

Does anyone have a clue where it comes from?

Christian

>>>>
        Anibal Valiente <[e-mail]>,
        Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>,
        Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>, "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>,
        Dean-Christian Strik <[e-mail]>,
        Derek Hasted <[e-mail]>,
        Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>, Eva Jacsch <[e-mail]>,
        Frederik Slijkerman <[e-mail]>,
        Hans Bomers <[e-mail]>, James Weaver <[e-mail]>,
        Kathy Drake <[e-mail]>, Kathy Roth <[e-mail]>,
        Ken Childress <[e-mail]>,
        "Luc-AndrΘ Rey" <[e-mail]>,
        "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>,
        Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>,
        "W. Decker" <[e-mail]>, William Decker <[e-mail]>





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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 27 Aug 1998 10:10:33 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
> Some of us (see below), for some reason got a 'message' which was REAL SPAM.
>
> Does anyone have a clue where it comes from?

No, but I think that if you forward me the full headers, I might have a
better idea.  It's not your run-of-the-mill spamware.

Kragen

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 27 Aug 1998 10:30:31 -0400

Christian,

>> Some of us (see below), for some reason got a 'message' which was
>> REAL SPAM.
>>
>> Does anyone have a clue where it comes from?

  I haven't got spam for at least 4 days, probably because Compuserve's
filter works fine!

        - Sylvie

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] Speaking of spam...
Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:54:15 -0500

Christian,

 - Some of us (see below), for some reason got a 'message' which was REAL
 - SPAM. Does anyone have a clue where it comes from?

Yes, one of the regular posters to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals sent out
a "humor" message, but neglected to use blind carbon copies for the
addresses, thus making all the addresses the message sent to visible.  One
of the recipients then replied to the entire list of people with the bogus
chain-email message.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 28 Aug 1998 01:03:43 +0200

Sylvie wrote:

>I haven't got spam for at least 4 days, probably because Compuserve's
>filter works fine!


I'm considering pobox (www.pobox.com) (Kragen has that). I believe it's $15 a
year. It gives you at least 3 [e-mail], redirecting to your real
e-mail address; $3/year for additional addresses. One month free trial. It
offers similar filtering. Of course there are also free redirection services
(like bigfoot), but I don't know if they support junkmail filtering.

Christian

PS. Why is your mail always via Blind.Copy.Receiver?






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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: DeCelle address
Date: 27 Aug 1998 16:34:17 -0700


    Hi, Bob,

    Thanks for the posting.  It prompted me to go back and try again and was
successful.  It must have been a problem with my browser.  Normally, to
find such a problem, I would just look in a mirror to find the cause but
this time I double and triple checked.
    The end of it is that it was a worthwhile visit because I was very
impressed with the images.
    Thanks again.  Wish I was smart enough to understand the contents of the
book you were writing about.  A hundred or so years ago I took an aptitude
test and my rating in the math department went off the page - downward.
Words, on the other hand, went off the page - upward.  So, I guess
everything balances out.  (In its own peculiar way.)

            Regards            Ray


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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Speaking of spam...
Date: 27 Aug 1998 19:38:54 -0400

Damien,

>> Yes, one of the regular posters to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals
>> sent out a "humor" message, but neglected to use blind carbon copies
>> for the addresses, thus making all the addresses the message sent to
>> visible.

  Though my address is in the list, I haven't seen this message.  What wa=
s
it about?

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 27 Aug 1998 19:56:05 -0400

Christian,

>> PS. Why is your mail always via Blind.Copy.Receiver?

  I don't know!

        - Sylvie

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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] Speaking of spam...
Date: 28 Aug 1998 11:57:51 +1200

At 11:54 27/08/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Christian,
>
> - Some of us (see below), for some reason got a 'message' which was REAL
> - SPAM. Does anyone have a clue where it comes from?
>
>Yes, one of the regular posters to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals sent out
>a "humor" message, but neglected to use blind carbon copies for the
>addresses, thus making all the addresses the message sent to visible.  One
>of the recipients then replied to the entire list of people with the bogus
>chain-email message.
>
My standard reaction to this kind of chain-email message is to inform the
Federal Trade Commission and the United States Postal Inspection Service
(and if claims of an inflated income are involved, the Inland Revenue
Service).

Morgan L. "Havoc" Owens


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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula inclusion
Date: 27 Aug 1998 20:05:03 -0700

At 05:10 PM 8/26/98 +1200, Morgan L. Owens wrote:

(regarding function calls / subroutines )

>The main disadvantage would basically be that it would make the language
>more complex (especially since adding more extensive flow control support
>would not be too far down the line then) and difficult to learn. But it
>might be argued (mightn't it?) that the formula language's "flat" structure
>is starting to become a drawback?

Definitely!  In addition to making code easier to re-use, subroutines would
also make code easier to read.  Folks could easily plug different coloring
methods into their formulae, and, if more user controlled variables (or a way
for the "x" screen to be made aware of embedded coloring methods) were
made available, even change them "on the fly."  It would also address
the needs of people with a primary interest, be it the basic mathematics,
or the coloring method, or whatever.

I wouldn't be averse to the #include construct.


Bud


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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) AGP video cards & 1600x1200
Date: 27 Aug 1998 21:24:36 -0700

Sylvie...

I have the Millennium II (8 megs).....I'm fairly sure it has AGP....and
1600 x 1200 works just fine.

'Angela

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>   I'm about to get a new system with either the ATI AGP Xpert Work (8 megs)
> or the Millennium II AGP (8 megs): has anyone been able to use Fractint at
> 1600x1200 with one of these cards?
>
>   Cheers,
>
>         - Sylvie
>
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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New coloring schemes
Date: 27 Aug 1998 21:32:21 -0700 (MST)

Just a heads up--the next 3 messages from me are 3 different coloring
schemes.  They're all based on the same idea--watching the orbit for its
closest approach to 2 curves.  The 3 cases are:  2 circles, 2 lines, and 1
circle/1 line.  The narratives will all read the same, but they really are
slightly different.  And, if you don't care about any of this, you now
know that you can skip those posts are go on living a happy life!

Kerry Mitchell
[e-mail]


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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) "2 circles" coloring scheme
Date: 27 Aug 1998 21:33:23 -0700 (MST)

comment { ; narrative copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98

2 Circles Coloring Method

Several coloring schemes have been put together that color according
to the orbit's nearest approach to a specified point or curve.  This
method extends that idea by coloring according to the orbit's nearest
simultaneous approach to 2 specified circles.

A circle in the x-y plane can be specified by (x - xcenter)^2 +
(y - ycenter)^2 = radius^2, where (xcenter, ycenter) is the coordinate
of the center of the circle, and radius is the circle's radius.  For
complex numbers z = x+i*y, (and center = xcenter+i*ycenter)

f(z) = |z - center| - radius^2 (using Fractint's || convention)

is a real-valued function that gives the relationship of z to the
circle.  If f(z) < 0, then z is inside the circle.  A positive
value of f(z) means that z is outside of the circle, and f=0 means
that z is on the circle.

Using 2 circles then results in 2 functions, fx(z) and fy(z).  One
circle corresponds to fx, and the other to fy.  At each iteration,
a new complex variable, w, can be defined as, w = fx(z)+i*fy(z).
To check for the closest simultaneous approach of the orbit to both
circles, it is sufficient to check for the smallest |w|.  This w is
saved, and at the end of the iteration, "decomp=256" is used to color
the pixel according to the polar angle of w.

In its most general form, this method requires 6 real parameters:
2 each for the x- and y-coordinates of the centers of the circles,
and 2 for the radii of the 2 circles.  For Mandelbrot implementation,
this requires hardcoding the bailout value, which has been set to
10^12.  For Julia implementations, the bailout is also hardcoded, but
another 2 parameters are needed to specify the Julia parameter, c.
The "general_jul" formula is written with a hardcoded value of c, to
allow for the greatest flexibility in choosing circles.

A great deal of choice can still be allowed by only using 4 parameters
to choose the circles, thereby freeing the other 2 for picking c.
The "cenx=ceny_jul" method uses concentric circles (both having the
same center).  The radii of the circles are independently chosen.
A variation of this is the "cenx=-ceny_jul" formula, wherein the
centers of the circles are placed symmetrically with respect to the
origin of the complex plane.  Another variation uses the same radii
for both circles, but different centers.  In "offset_rx=ry_jul",
this is accomplished by choosing a point on the plane.  One circle
is place a little outward of this point, and the other is a little
inward of the chosen point.  The amount of shift along the radial
line is 1 of the parameters.

Because of the wide variety of parameter settings, it's not possible
to say what happens with the image as the circles are moved.  However,
you'll get very different results if the circles don't intersect from
when they do.  If they do intersect, you'll tend to see points in the
image where all the colors come together (this corresponds to where
the orbit found the intersection point).  Varied ribbon-like effects
can be seen when the circles are very close to each other--either
concentric with slightly different radii, or offset by a small amount.

}

general_man { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 general circles" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=general_man passes=1 center-mag=-0.7/0/0.6\
  /1/-90 params=-2/0/-2/0/1.95/2.05 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=0 decomp=256 colors=zwj<2>zyvzzzxxz<13>SSzPPzOO\
  w<14>000<15>zo0<14>zywzzzxxz<13>RRzPPzOOv<11>55B337223\
  110<13>tj0xm0zo1<13>zxtzyxyyz<12>VVzTTzRRzPPyNNu<12>33\
  6112220<14>yn0zo2<14>zyyyyz<13>SSzQQzOOx<14>111000<15>\
  zo0<10>zvf cyclerange=0/255 periodicity=0
  }

general_jul { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 general circles" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=general_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667
  params=-2/0/0/2/1.414/1.414 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0
  decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=540<27>xm0zo0zo1<29>zyxz\
  zzyyz<29>RRzPPzPPy<30>000<30>yn0zo0zo2<29>zyyzzzyyz<29>Q\
  QzPPzOOx<29>111000110330 cyclerange=0/255
  }

concentric { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 concentric circles" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  periodicity=0 formulaname=cenx=ceny_jul passes=1 center\
  -mag=0/0/0.8 params=0/1/0/0/0.98/1.02 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=0 decomp=256 colors=cX0<21>yn0zo0zo0zo1<61>zzzzzz\
  yyz<60>QQzPPzPPzPPy<61>000000110<37>bW0 cyclerange=0/255
  }

opposing { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 opposing circles" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=cenx=-ceny_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.8
  params=-0.779702280199264/0.1503397589375293/0/1/1/1
  float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0
  cyclerange=0/255 colors=000<15>zo0<14>zyvzzzxxz<13>SSzP\
  PzOOw<14>000<15>zo0<14>zywzzzxxz<13>RRzPPzOOv<11>55B337\
  223110<13>tj0xm0zo1<13>zxtzyxyyz<12>VVzTTzRRzPPyNNu<12>\
  336112220<14>yn0zo2<14>zyyyyz<13>SSzQQzOOx<14>111
  }

offset { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 offset circles" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  periodicity=0 formulaname=offset_rx=ry_jul center-mag=0\
  /0/0.6666667 params=0.39/0.44/1/0/1/0.1 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=0 decomp=256 colors=xm0zo0<30>zyxzzzyyz<29>RRzPPzP\
  Py<30>000<30>yn0zo0zo2<29>zyyzzzyyz<29>QQzPPzOOx<29>11100\
  0110<28>vk0 cyclerange=0/255 passes=1
  }

frm:general_man { ; Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
    ;
    ; "2 general circles" coloring method for Mandelbrot
    ; c = pixel = Mandelbrot parameter
        ; p1 = x-circle center
        ; p2 = y-circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = y-circle radius
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        c=pixel, zc=0, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p1, radx=real(p3), rad2x=radx*radx
        ceny=p2, rady=imag(p3), rad2y=rady*rady:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=|zc-ceny|-rad2y
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:general_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
    ;
    ; "2 general circles" coloring method for Julia sets
    ; c = Julia parameter, hardcoded
        ; p1 = x-circle center
        ; p2 = y-circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = y-circle radius
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=(0.39,0.44), bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p1, radx=real(p3), rad2x=radx*radx
        ceny=p2, rady=imag(p3), rad2y=rady*rady:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=|zc-ceny|-rad2y
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:cenx=ceny_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
    ;
    ; "2 concentric circles" coloring method for Julia sets
    ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
    ; p2 = (both) circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = y-circle radius
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p2, radx=real(p3), rad2x=radx*radx
        ceny=cenx, rady=imag(p3), rad2y=rady*rady:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=|zc-ceny|-rad2y
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:cenx=-ceny_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
    ;
    ; "2 opposing circles" coloring method for Julia sets
    ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; p2 = x-circle center
        ; -p2 = y-circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = y-circle radius
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p2, radx=real(p3), rad2x=radx*radx
        ceny=-cenx, rady=imag(p3), rad2y=rady*rady:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=|zc-ceny|-rad2y
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:offset_rx=ry_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
    ;
    ; "2 offset circles" coloring method for Julia sets
    ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
    ; p2 = approximate circle center
    ; real(p3) = (both) circle radius
    ; imag(p3) = center offsets--added to p2 for
    ;   centerx, subtracted from p2 for centery
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p2*(1+imag(p3)), radx=real(p3), rad2x=radx*radx
        ceny=p2*(1-imag(p3)), rad2y=rad2x:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=|zc-ceny|-rad2y
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }



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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) "2 lines" coloring method
Date: 27 Aug 1998 21:33:57 -0700 (MST)

comment { ; narrative copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98

2 Lines Coloring Method

Several coloring schemes have been put together that color according
to the orbit's nearest approach to a specified point or curve.  This
method extends that idea by coloring according to the orbit's nearest
simultaneous approach to 2 specified lines.

A line in the x-y plane can be specified by the standard form: a*x +
b*y + c = 0, where the slope of the line = -a/b (when b=0, the line is
vertical).  For complex numbers z = x+i*y, then function

f(z) = a*real(z) + b*imag(z) + c

is a real-valued function that gives the relationship of z to the
line.  If f(z) < 0, then z is on one side of the line, and if f(z) > 0,
z is on the other side.  If f=0, then z is on the line.

Using 2 lines then results in 2 functions, fx(z) and fy(z).  One line
corresponds to fx, and the other to fy.  At each iteration, a new complex
variable, w, can be defined as, w = fx(z)+i*fy(z).  To check for the
closest simultaneous approach of the orbit to both lines, it is
sufficient to check for the smallest |w|.  This w is saved, and at the
end of the iteration, "decomp=256" is used to color the pixel according
to the polar angle of w.

In its most general form, this method requires 6 real parameters:
3 (a, b, c) for each line.  For Mandelbrot implementation, this requires
hardcoding the bailout value, which has been set to 10^12.  For Julia
implementations, the bailout is also hardcoded, but another 2 parameters
are needed to specify the Julia parameter, c.  The "general_jul" formula
is written with a hardcoded value of c, to allow for the greatest
flexibility in choosing lines.

A great deal of choice can still be allowed by only using 4 parameters
to choose the lines, thereby freeing the other 2 for picking c.
The "parallel_jul" method uses parallel lines.  A variation of this is
the "orthogonal_jul" formula, wherein the lines meet at right angles.
Another variation uses the opposite slopes for the 2 lines.  For example,
if one line forms a 30 degree angle with the real axis, then the other
line would make a -30 degree angle.

Because of the wide variety of parameter settings, it's not possible
to say what happens with the image as the lines are moved.  However,
you'll get very different results if the lines don't intersect from
when they do.  If they do intersect, you'll tend to see points in the
image where all the colors come together (this corresponds to where
the orbit found the intersection point).  Varied ribbon-like effects
can be seen when the lines are very close to each other--either
parallel with a small gap between them, or with slightly different slopes.

}

general_man { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 general lines" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm periodicity=0
  formulaname=general_man passes=1 center-mag=-0.73/0/0.74/1/-90
  params=1/0/0.75/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256
  colors=000<30>x0mz0oz1o<29>zxyzzzyzy<29>RzRPzPPyP<30>000<30>\
  y0nz0oz2o<29>zyyzzzyzy<29>QzQPzPOxO<29>111 cyclerange=0/255
  }

general_jul { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 general lines" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm periodicity=0
  formulaname=general_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.75/1/-12.5
  params=1/0/2/0/1/1.5 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=0 decomp=256
  colors=DVD<14>111000101<29>x0mz0oz1o<29>zxyzzzyzy<29>RzRPzPP\
  yP<30>000<30>y0nz0oz2o<29>zyyzzzyzy<29>QzQPzPOxO<13>DXD
  }

parallel { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 parallel lines" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm decomp=256
  periodicity=0 formulaname=parallel_jul passes=1 center-mag\
  =0/0/0.8/1/-7.5 params=0.39/0.44/2.64/-1/0.1/-0.1 float=y
  maxiter=256 inside=0 colors=c0X<10>y0nz0oz2o<29>zyyzzzyzy\
  <29>QzQPzPOxO<29>111000101<29>x0mz0oz1o<29>zxyzzzyzy<29>R\
  zRPzPPyP<30>000<18>a0V cyclerange=0/255
  }

orthogonal { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 orthogonal lines" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=orthogonal_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.8
  params=-0.779702280199264/0.1503397589375293/1/2/1/2 float=y
  maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=HeH<20>\
  000<30>y0nz0oz2o<29>zyyzzzyzy<29>QzQPzPOxO<29>111000101<29\
  >x0mz0oz1o<29>zxyzzzyzy<29>RzRPzPPyP<8>IgI cyclerange=0/255
  }

opposite { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "2 lines with opposite angles" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm cyclerange=0/255
  formulaname=oppangle_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667
  params=-0.0573720519293145/0.6691939992424446/3/1/0/0 float=y
  maxiter=2000 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=`z`<18>\
  QzQPzPPzPPyP<61>000000101<60>y0nz0oz0oz1o<61>zzzzzzyzy<40>aza
  }

frm:general_man {
    ;
        ; "2 general lines" coloring method for Mandelbrot
    ; c = pixel = Mandelbrot parameter
        ; real(p1) = x-line a
        ; imag(p1) = x-line b
        ; real(p2) = x-line c
        ; imag(p2) = y-line a
        ; real(p3) = y-line b
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        c=pixel, zc=0, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        ax=real(p1), bx=imag(p1), cx=real(p2)
        ay=imag(p2), by=real(p3), cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        x=real(zc), y=imag(zc)
        tempx=ax*x+bx*y+cx
        tempy=ay*x+by*y+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:general_jul {
    ;
        ; "2 general lines" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; c = Julia parameter, hardcoded
        ; real(p1) = x-line a
        ; imag(p1) = x-line b
        ; real(p2) = x-line c
        ; imag(p2) = y-line a
        ; real(p3) = y-line b
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=(.26,.0014), bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        ax=real(p1), bx=imag(p1), cx=real(p2)
        ay=imag(p2), by=real(p3), cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        x=real(zc), y=imag(zc)
        tempx=ax*x+bx*y+cx
        tempy=ay*x+by*y+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:parallel_jul {
    ;
        ; "2 parallel lines" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; real(p2) = x-line a = y-line a
        ; imag(p2) = x-line b = y-line b
        ; real(p3) = x-line c
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        ax=real(p2), bx=imag(p2), cx=real(p3)
        ay=ax, by=bx, cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        x=real(zc), y=imag(zc)
        tempx=ax*x+bx*y+cx
        tempy=ay*x+by*y+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:orthogonal_jul {
    ;
        ; "2 orthogonal lines" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; real(p2) = x-line a = negative of y-line b
        ; imag(p2) = x-line b = negative of y-line a
        ; real(p3) = x-line c
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        ax=real(p2), bx=imag(p2), cx=real(p3)
        ay=bx, by=-ax, cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        x=real(zc), y=imag(zc)
        tempx=ax*x+bx*y+cx
        tempy=ay*x+by*y+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:oppangle_jul {
    ;
        ; "2 opposing lines" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; real(p2) = x-line a = y-line a
        ; imag(p2) = x-line b = negative of y-line b
        ; real(p3) = x-line c
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        ax=real(p2), bx=imag(p2), cx=real(p3)
        ay=ax, by=-bx, cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        x=real(zc), y=imag(zc)
        tempx=ax*x+bx*y+cx
        tempy=ay*x+by*y+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }



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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) "circle & line" coloring method
Date: 27 Aug 1998 21:34:47 -0700 (MST)

comment { ; narrative copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98

Circle & Line Coloring Method

Several coloring schemes have been put together that color according
to the orbit's nearest approach to a specified point or curve.  This
method extends that idea by coloring according to the orbit's nearest
simultaneous approach to a circle and a line.

A circle in the x-y plane can be specified by (x - xcenter)^2 +
(y - ycenter)^2 = radius^2, where (xcenter, ycenter) is the coordinate
of the center of the circle, and radius is the circle's radius.  For
complex numbers z = x+i*y, (and center = xcenter+i*ycenter)

f(z) = |z - center| - radius^2 (using Fractint's || convention)

is a real-valued function that gives the relationship of z to the
circle.  If f(z) < 0, then z is inside the circle.  A positive
value of f(z) means that z is outside of the circle, and f=0 means
that z is on the circle.

A line in the x-y plane can be specified by the standard form: a*x +
b*y + c = 0, where the slope of the line = -a/b (when b=0, the line is
vertical).  For complex numbers z = x+i*y, then function

f(z) = a*real(z) + b*imag(z) + c

is a real-valued function that gives the relationship of z to the
line.  If f(z) < 0, then z is on one side of the line, and if f(z) > 0,
z is on the other side.  If f=0, then z is on the line.

Using both a circle and a line then results in 2 functions, fx(z) and
fy(z).  The circle corresponds to fx, and the line to fy.  At each
iteration, a new complex variable, w, can be defined as, w = fx(z) +
i*fy(z).  To check for the closest simultaneous approach of the orbit
to both curves, it is sufficient to check for the smallest |w|.  This
w is saved, and at the end of the iteration, "decomp=256" is used to
color the pixel according to the polar angle of w.

In its most general form, this method requires 6 real parameters:
2 for the x- and y-coordinates of the center of the circles and 1 for
its radius, and 3 (a, b, c) for the line.  For Mandelbrot implementation,
this requires hardcoding the bailout value, which has been set to
10^12.  For Julia implementations, the bailout is also hardcoded, but
another 2 parameters are needed to specify the Julia parameter, c.
The "general_jul" formula is written with a hardcoded value of c, to
allow for the greatest flexibility in choosing the circle and line.

A great deal of choice can still be allowed by only using 4 parameters
to choose the curves, thereby freeing the other 2 for picking c.
The "center_jul" formula uses a diametric line through the center of
the circle.  The radius of the circle and the slope of the line are
independently chosen.  A variation of this is the "tangent_jul"
formula, wherein the line is tangent to the circle.  The point of
tangency is at a specified angle on the circle.  Another variation is
the "offset_jul" formula.  This is similar to the tangent formula, but
the line is offset from the circle by the amount of the radius.

Because of the wide variety of parameter settings, it's not possible
to say what happens with the image as the curves are moved.  However,
you'll get very different results if they don't intersect from when
they do.  If they do intersect, you'll tend to see points in the
image where all the colors come together (this corresponds to where
the orbit found the intersection point).

}

general_man-1 { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "general circle & line" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=general_man passes=1 center-mag=-0.3/0/0.7
  params=1/1/2/0/1/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0
  decomp=256 colors=000<61>y99zAAzAAzBB<61>zzzzzzzyz<60>\
  i1ih0hh0hg0g<61>000 cyclerange=0/255 periodicity=0
  }

general_man-2 { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "general circle & line" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  periodicity=0 formulaname=general_man center-mag=-0.6\
  66667/0/0.7/1/-90 params=-1/0/0.25/0/1/0 float=y
  maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 colors=000<30>y99zAAz\
  CC<30>zzz<30>i1ih0hf0f<28>303101100<29>x99zAAzBB<30\
  >zzz<30>i2ih0hg0g<30>000 cyclerange=0/255 passes=1
  }

general_jul { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "general circle & line" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=general_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.75/1/5
  periodicity=0 params=-2/0/3/1/0/4 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=0 decomp=256 colors=f0f<28>202000000<30>y99zAAzCC\
  <30>zzz<30>i1ih0hf0f<28>303101100<29>x99zAAzBB<30>zzz<30>\
  i2ih0hg0g cyclerange=0/255
  }

center { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "circle & diameter line" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=center_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.813\
  /1/-7.5 params=0.39/0.44/0.39/0.44/0.45/53.9125 float=y
  maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 cyclerange=0/255
  colors=000<61>y99zAAzAAzBB<61>zzzzzzzyz<60>i1ih0hh0hg0g<61>000
  }

tangent { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "circle & tangent line" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  periodicity=0 formulaname=tangent_jul passes=1 center-\
  mag=0/0/1/1/90 params=0.26/0/0/0/0.2/45 float=y maxiter=1000
  inside=0 decomp=256 colors=U0U<9>202200<14>y99<15>zyyzxz<13>\
  j5ji1if0f<14>101300<14>zAA<15>zzz<15>h0h<14>303000000<15>zAA\
  <15>zzz<14>i3ih0he0e<11>808505303100<13>t99x99zBB<13>zuuzxxz\
  yz<13>j6ji2ig0g<3>X0X cyclerange=0/255
  }

offset { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 26aug98
  ;
  ; sample for "circle & offset line" coloring method
  ;
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=offset_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.8
  params=-0.778/0.201/-2/0/1/90 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=303000000<15>\
  zAA<15>zzz<14>i3ih0he0e<11>808505303100<13>t99x99zBB\
  <13>zuuzxxzyz<13>j6ji2ig0g<14>202200<14>y99<15>zyyzxz\
  <13>j5ji1if0f<14>101300<14>zAA<15>zzz<15>h0h<13>606
  }

frm:general_man {
    ;
        ; "general circle & line" coloring method for Mandelbrot
    ; c = pixel = Mandelbrot parameter
        ; p1 = x-circle center
        ; real(p2) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p2) = y-line a
        ; real(p3) = y-line b
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        c=pixel, zc=0, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p1, radx=real(p2), rad2x=radx*radx
        ay=imag(p2), by=real(p3), cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=ay*real(zc)+by*imag(zc)+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:general_jul {
    ;
        ; "general circle & line" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; c = Julia parameter, hardcoded
        ; p1 = x-circle center
        ; real(p2) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p2) = y-line a
        ; real(p3) = y-line b
        ; imag(p3) = y-line c
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=(0,1), bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p1, radx=real(p2), rad2x=radx*radx
        ay=imag(p2), by=real(p3), cy=imag(p3):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=ay*real(zc)+by*imag(zc)+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:center_jul {
    ;
        ; "circle & line thru center" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; p2 = x-circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = y-line slope angle, degrees
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p2, radx=real(p3), rad2x=radx*radx
        theta=imag(p3)*pi/180, ct=cos(theta), st=sin(theta)
        ay=-st, by=ct, cy=-ct*imag(cenx)+st*real(cenx):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=ay*real(zc)+by*imag(zc)+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:tangent_jul {
    ;
        ; "circle & tangent line" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; p2 = x-circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = angle of line from circle center to tangent
        ;    point of y-line, degrees
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p2, radx=real(p3), rad=radx, rad2x=|radx|
        theta=imag(p3)*pi/180, ct=cos(theta), st=sin(theta)
        xt=real(cenx)+rad*ct, yt=imag(cenx)+rad*st
        phi=theta+pi/2, cp=cos(phi), sp=sin(phi)
        ay=sp, by=-cp, cy=cp*yt-sp*xt:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=ay*real(zc)+by*imag(zc)+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }

frm:offset_jul {
    ;
        ; "circle & offset line" coloring method for Julia sets
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; p2 = x-circle center
        ; real(p3) = x-circle radius
        ; imag(p3) = angle of line from circle center to tangent
        ;    point, degrees.  y-line is parallel to tangent line
        ;    and offset by amount of radius.
    ; bailout hardcoded to 10^12
    ; use "decomp=256" coloring
    ;
        zc=pixel, c=p1, bailout=1e12, iter=1, rmin=1e12
        cenx=p2, radx=real(p3), rad=2*radx, rad2x=|radx|
        theta=imag(p3)*pi/180, ct=cos(theta), st=sin(theta)
        xt=real(cenx)+rad*ct, yt=imag(cenx)+rad*st
        phi=theta+pi/2, cp=cos(phi), sp=sin(phi)
        ay=sp, by=-cp, cy=cp*yt-sp*xt:
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        tempx=|zc-cenx|-rad2x
        tempy=ay*real(zc)+by*imag(zc)+cy
        temp=tempx+flip(tempy), r=|temp|
        if (r<rmin)
          rmin=r, z=temp
          endif
        if ((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          iter=-1
          endif
        iter>0
        }



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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) splicing
Date: 27 Aug 1998 23:44:10 -0700

Hi.  I've spent some of the indoor time this
summer splicing- splicing small pieces of
formulas into the iteration part of the formulas
with different coloring schemes.  I've gotten
some really fun and interesting images (and some
really ugly stuff.)  Often the Julia parameters
do not work like they are supposed to but there
is a lot of variation.  I didn't get too far with
bubbleboth_julia or any of the flexballs but here
is something based on Bubbles_Julia_Mset-


a-tunnel_of_hearts { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                  ; frm and color adapted from Paul Carlson
                  ; original gravijul by Mark Christenson
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bubble~4.frm
  formulaname=bubblesGrav function=tan/tan/atanh
  center-mag=2.43607/0.127618/21.16587/1/-90
params=5/1/10/4/8/30   float=y
  colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z\
88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40z\
  z<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000
  }

a1-leather&lace { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; wizzle color map
                     ; frm adapted from Paul Carlson
                     ; original gravijul by Mark Christenson
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params=5/1/10/4/8/30
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                     ; original gravijul by Mark Christenson
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params=5/1/10/4/8/30
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    ;original gravijul by Mark Christenson
    ; Parameters:
    ;
    ;   p1       = if both real(p1) and imag(p1) are zero
    ;              do Mset, otherwise do Julia set.
    ;   real(p2) = maximum contour of minimum sqrt(|w|)
    ;              (this is the outside edge of the bubbles).
    ;   imag(p2) = value of |w| at bailout.
    ;   real(p3) = number of color ranges.
    ;   imag(p3) = number of colors in each color range.
    ;
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 w = 0
 c = pixel
    ELSE
 w = pixel
 c = p1
    ENDIF
    z = bailout = iter = range_num = 0
    max_w = imag(p2)
    num_ranges = real(p3)
    colors_in_range = imag(p3)
    max_min_w = real(p2)
    min_w = 1.0e20
    factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / max_min_w
    :
     q=fn1(w)
w=fn3(1/fn2(q*q))
    ;
    temp = sqrt(|w|)
    IF (temp < min_w)
       min_w = temp
       save_range = range_num
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 IF (min_w < max_min_w)
     z = factor * min_w + save_range * colors_in_range + 1
 ELSE
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 bailout = 1
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    IF (range_num == num_ranges)
        range_num = 0
    ENDIF
    iter = iter + 1
    z = z - iter
    bailout == 0  && |w| < max_w
}






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From: Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 28 Aug 1998 02:41:30 -0500

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
> > Some of us (see below), for some reason got a 'message' which was REAL SPAM.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where it comes from?
>
> No, but I think that if you forward me the full headers, I might have a
> better idea.  It's not your run-of-the-mill spamware.
>

Yeah, it is your run-of-the-mill spamware. Chain letters are older than
the internet. Either dionel is new to this particular mental virus and
hasn't worked up an immunity yet or someone good at IP spoofing doesn't
like them. There is actually a krauch company in Paraguay homepage.

Your biggest loophole in the offering is way to get these lists of
addresses back to the err judging commitee. I suppose some slimeball is
trying for bragging rights on wasting so much of the worlds energy
supply haman-wise. It isn't very many forwardings old. At least half of
that I would guess is part of the original plant.

The only way to trace such a disease is to get each carrier in-line to
give a copy of the letter they received. This is not likely since they
probably don't even have the original anymore.

If you really want to, you can send a complaint to abuse or postmaster
at cwi.net who is their upstream provider. Its probably their first
offense and they have probably already been bombed personally. Its your
choice.

PS. Sylvie was on the recipient list. :)

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From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) I'm sorry (spam)
Date: 28 Aug 1998 08:55:34 -0400


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Although only some of you received "my" spam, I feel obligued to write to the
whole list to beg your pardon. I came to work today after a two days permission,
and was surprised to read some mails regarding a forwarded message I sent
yesterday!?. However, since the message has been generated here, from my own
address, I am responsible for it.
I still haven't read what "I wrote", but from an email I received from Damien
Jones -he says it's a chain letter- I think I know where it came from. I'll try
to make access to my computer more difficult, and hope this kind of things will
never happen again.
Once again, I'm very sorry for the problem I caused.

Regards,
Diosnel

P.S. I already have a bigfoot address ([e-mail]). However, I can't
send mail through it, but only receive it. That means that I don't know how to
make it the only address to use (in order to filter mails from my Krauch addres).

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
Although only some of you received "my" spam, I feel obligued to write
to the whole list to beg your pardon. I came to work today after a two
days permission, and was surprised to read some mails regarding a forwarded
message <I>I sent yesterday!?</I>. However, since the message has been
generated here, from my own address, I am responsible for it.
<BR>I still haven't read what "I wrote", but from an email I received from
Damien Jones -he says it's a chain letter- I think I know where it came
from. I'll try to make access to my computer more difficult, and hope this
kind of things will never happen again.
<BR>Once again, I'm very sorry for the problem I caused.
<P>Regards,
<BR>Diosnel
<P>P.S. I already have a bigfoot address ([e-mail]). However,
I can't send mail through it, but only receive it. That means that I don't
know how to make it the only address to use (in order to filter mails from
my Krauch addres).</HTML>

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 28 Aug 1998 09:47:17 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
> I'm considering pobox (www.pobox.com) (Kragen has that). I believe it's $15 a
> year. It gives you at least 3 [e-mail], redirecting to your real
> e-mail address; $3/year for additional addresses. One month free trial. It
> offers similar filtering. Of course there are also free redirection services
> (like bigfoot), but I don't know if they support junkmail filtering.

pobox's spam filtering has lots of false positives, and a few false
negatives.  I wouldn't recommend using it in the "throw away" mode.

For example, nearly every mail I receive from the "Free Software
Business" mailing list is marked as [may be junkmail -pobox].  If I
turned the spam filtering on all the way, it'd just discard those
messages, and I'd never know.

Kragen

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start to think collectively.  What becomes of us still hangs crucially on
how we think individually.  -- Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the Web


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From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 07:17:38 -0700

Hi Everyone...
Don't know if this is for real or not...
It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd just send it along
just in case it was for real.


Faye

>>>>>> >>>VIRUS ALERT!!!
>
> This is a new twist.  Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver
>-  the Budweiser Frogs.  But if you download it, you will lose
everything!!!
>
>Your hard drive will crash!!
>DON'T DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>
> IT JUST WENT INTO CIRCULATION YESTERDAY, AS FAR AS WE KNOW....BE CAREFUL.
>
>PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE...THANKS
>BELOW IS  WHAT THE SCREENSAVER OFFER WOULD LOOK LIKE!
>
>           File: BUDSAVER.EXE (24643 bytes)
>           DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute
>
>If you download, some jerk from the internet will get your screen name and
>password!   Please send this to any names you can think of
>and remember never download BUDDYLST.ZIP
>
>This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
>This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft.  Please
>share it with everyone that might access the internet.
>Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that
>this may be stopped.

[e-mail]
http://www.sb.net/arkangel/


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 09:45:41 -0500

Faye Williams wrote:
>
> It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd
> just send it along just in case it was for real.
>

If you really would like to see the latest Virus Alerts, the go here and
sign up for a daily email:

    http://www.tipworld.com

They will send you the "Virus Alert Tip of the Day" on every week day
(Monday through Friday).  Here is an exerpt:

The following viruses are scheduled to activate today:
MDMA.C
Clock.A:DE
Clock.B, .C, .D, .E, .F, .G, .H, .L
Steph.A


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Speaking of spam...
Date: 28 Aug 1998 11:10:23 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
> Kragen wrote:
> > No, but I think that if you forward me the full headers, I might have a
> > better idea.  It's not your run-of-the-mill spamware.
>
> Yeah, it is your run-of-the-mill spamware. Chain letters are older than
> the internet.

I meant, it didn't come from one of the standard spam injector programs.

Kragen (who participated in a postcardware chain letter once when he was a kid,
    but never got a single postcard back.)

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Faye Williams wrote:
> Hi Everyone...
> Don't know if this is for real or not...
> It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd just send it along
> just in case it was for real.

I would prefer it if you didn't send things like this to the fractint
mailing list.  I wonder if I am in the minority.

(Part of this, of course, is that I use Linux and don't use AOL, so
this doesn't affect me.)

Heuristics for determining whether a many-times-forwarded letter is legit:
- does it have the originator's name and email address on it?
- does it have a URL on it to consult for updates?
- does it have a date on it?
- if you check it out on the appropriate web sites (e.g. for American
Cancer Society stuff, www.acs.org; for virus stuff, www.mcafee.com?
etc.) do they mention it?  Do they say it's a fraud, or do they say
it's real?
- does it seem plausible?  (You can't make a hard drive crash from
software, for example.  In fact, these days, it's damned near
impossible to make a hard drive crash at all -- even if you, say, whack
it with a hammer while it's shutting down.)

Kragen

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From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 09:07:23 -0700


-----Original Message-----


>On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Faye Williams wrote:
>> Hi Everyone...
>> Don't know if this is for real or not...
>> It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd just send it along
>> just in case it was for real.

>
>I would prefer it if you didn't send things like this to the fractint
>mailing list.  I wonder if I am in the minority.
>
>(Part of this, of course, is that I use Linux and don't use AOL, so
>this doesn't affect me.)
>

>- does it seem plausible?  (You can't make a hard drive crash from
>software, for example.  In fact, these days, it's damned near
>impossible to make a hard drive crash at all -- even if you, say, whack
>it with a hammer while it's shutting down.)
>
>Kragen

I realize that a virus can't make a hard drive crash.  I posted the message
as I received it and I received it from 3 legit sources.
If it keeps one person from receiving a virus then it was worth the posting.

Faye



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From: Dennis Kerrisk <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 09:08:42 -0700


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Hi,
    I just thought you might like to know that someone with the proper information
    Can with software, render a hard drive useless, and totally unfixable.

                                    Dennis

-----Original Message-----
Sent:    Friday, August 28, 1998 8:48 AM

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Faye Williams wrote:
> Hi Everyone...
> Don't know if this is for real or not...
> It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd just send it along
> just in case it was for real.

I would prefer it if you didn't send things like this to the fractint
mailing list.  I wonder if I am in the minority.

(Part of this, of course, is that I use Linux and don't use AOL, so
this doesn't affect me.)

Heuristics for determining whether a many-times-forwarded letter is legit:
- does it have the originator's name and email address on it?
- does it have a URL on it to consult for updates?
- does it have a date on it?
- if you check it out on the appropriate web sites (e.g. for American
Cancer Society stuff, www.acs.org; for virus stuff, www.mcafee.com?
etc.) do they mention it?  Do they say it's a fraud, or do they say
it's real?
- does it seem plausible?  (You can't make a hard drive crash from
software, for example.  In fact, these days, it's damned near
impossible to make a hard drive crash at all -- even if you, say, whack
it with a hammer while it's shutting down.)

Kragen

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start to think collectively.  What becomes of us still hangs crucially on
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Subject: Re: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 17:07:36 EDT



   I find this kind of information very helpful indeed!

  Thanks

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From: "Blake Hyde" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 17:51:05 -0400

At 07:17 AM 8/28/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone...
>Don't know if this is for real or not...
>It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd just send it along
>just in case it was for real.
>
>
>Faye
>
>>>>>>> >>>VIRUS ALERT!!!
>>
>> This is a new twist.  Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver
>>-  the Budweiser Frogs.  But if you download it, you will lose
>everything!!!
>>
>>Your hard drive will crash!!
>>DON'T DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>>
>> IT JUST WENT INTO CIRCULATION YESTERDAY, AS FAR AS WE KNOW....BE CAREFUL.
>>
>>PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE...THANKS
>>BELOW IS  WHAT THE SCREENSAVER OFFER WOULD LOOK LIKE!
>>
>>           File: BUDSAVER.EXE (24643 bytes)
>>           DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute
>>
>>If you download, some jerk from the internet will get your screen name and
>>password!   Please send this to any names you can think of
>>and remember never download BUDDYLST.ZIP
>>
>>This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
>>This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft.  Please
>>share it with everyone that might access the internet.
>>Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that
>>this may be stopped.

I think this is probably a hoax, like the GOOD TIMES email virus hoax,
etc--please don't propagate them, especially on such a high traffic
forum as the fractint list.
 Blake Hyde (ROT13: [e-mail])
-==(UDIC)==-
Novan Dragon
--------------
d+ e- N+ T--- Om-- U1347'!S'8!K u uC++ uF uG++ uLB+ uA nC+ nR nH- nP nI--
nPT nS+ nT wM wC+ wS- wI++ wN- o oA++ y   a666
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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) on topic please
Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:25:09 -0600

Virus warnings (even legitimate ones) are off topic and completely unwelcome
on this list. Please post only fractal-related messages. There are other lists for
discussion of viruses.

Unfortunately, answers to the virus message, though well meaning, just added
to the SPAM.

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From: "michael" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) virus
Date: 28 Aug 1998 22:03:31 -0400

I subscribed to this to get info on fractint - not to get this kind of
rubbish - there are plenty of other useless newsgroups for this.  Please
stop.
-----Original Message-----


>At 07:17 AM 8/28/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi Everyone...
>>Don't know if this is for real or not...
>>It may just be another Urban Legend, but I thought I'd just send it along
>>just in case it was for real.
>>
>>
>>Faye
>>
>>>>>>>> >>>VIRUS ALERT!!!
>>>
>>> This is a new twist.  Someone is sending out a very desirable
screen-saver
>>>-  the Budweiser Frogs.  But if you download it, you will lose
>>everything!!!
>>>
>>>Your hard drive will crash!!
>>>DON'T DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>>>
>>> IT JUST WENT INTO CIRCULATION YESTERDAY, AS FAR AS WE KNOW....BE
CAREFUL.
>>>
>>>PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE...THANKS
>>>BELOW IS  WHAT THE SCREENSAVER OFFER WOULD LOOK LIKE!
>>>
>>>           File: BUDSAVER.EXE (24643 bytes)
>>>           DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute
>>>
>>>If you download, some jerk from the internet will get your screen name
and
>>>password!   Please send this to any names you can think of
>>>and remember never download BUDDYLST.ZIP
>>>
>>>This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
>>>This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft.  Please
>>>share it with everyone that might access the internet.
>>>Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that
>>>this may be stopped.
>
>I think this is probably a hoax, like the GOOD TIMES email virus hoax,
>etc--please don't propagate them, especially on such a high traffic
>forum as the fractint list.
> Blake Hyde (ROT13: [e-mail])
>-==(UDIC)==-
>Novan Dragon
>--------------
>d+ e- N+ T--- Om-- U1347'!S'8!K u uC++ uF uG++ uLB+ uA nC+ nR nH- nP nI--
>nPT nS+ nT wM wC+ wS- wI++ wN- o oA++ y   a666
>--------------
>
>
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From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Kerry Mitchell formulas
Date: 29 Aug 1998 01:10:55 -0400

Kerry,

Kerry,

The coloring formulas which you posted recently contained
three formulas with the name general_man and three with the
name general_jul. To avoid the "duplicate name" problem I have
renamed them for addition to the orgform compilation by adding =

the following suffixes for the appropriate formulas: =


"-2circ", "-2lines" and "-c&l"

for example, general_man-2lines.

To draw the images, I also had to correct the corresponding formula =

name references in the applicable par entries.

Hope this is OK with you.

George Martin

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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) PARS
Date: 28 Aug 1998 22:40:38 -0700

oop, uh, ummm- maybe I should have entered
THAT one in the contest

peacock_theater    { ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999   passes=1
  center-mag=-0.00108361498328819/-0.000\
12098308736781/184.2853/1/-90
  params=100/100/100/0.1 float=y outside=real
  colors=0000nxQ_HNUALO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIBB\
M<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<15>z0\
  W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>99J<15>W\
Wz<7>0J9<15>0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt\
  <6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<2>UjV
  }

pt1                { ; splash
                     ; 8-98 kathy roth
                     ; wizzle color map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr2958 passes=1
  center-mag=-0.137071/-1.07339/3.205189
params=100/100/100/100
  colors=000O0_L0TI0MF0F<2>000<45>zzz\
000<9>0zz<9>r0r<9>000<47>000111333<29\
  >zzz<30>222000000<39>000Z0AU00<6>m00<7>T0mR0f
  }

pt2                { ; 8-98 kathy roth
                     ; Damien Jones map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr2958   passes=1
center-mag=0.400202/-0.762718/6.281067
  params=100/100/100/100 outside=atan
  colors=000zyS<16>zy2zz0yy0<40>2200000\
11<82>0ly0mz0mz1mz<81>yyzzzzzyy<21>\
  zyT
  }

pt3                { ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999   passes=1
center-mag=-0.995221/0.011073/2.109703/1/-90
  params=100/100/100/100 float=y outside=real
  colors=000QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvag\
wfkwknxpryuvzzz<33>LguKguJfuHetHdrHcq<\
  4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>BUVBUUBTTASR<38>4A\
A<13>BZUC`VBZU<22>6B56936A4<46>PbF\
  <6>svc<6>feBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDr\
kDzqCzmC<8>v8A<5>x39<3>`A7
  }

pt4                { ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999   passes=1
center-mag=-1.1978/0.0141737/3.492886/1/-90
  params=100/100/100/100 float=y outside=real
  colors=000QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvagwfkwkn\
xpryuvzzz<33>LguKguJfuHetHdrHcq<\
  4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>BUVBUUBTTASR<38>4A\
A<13>BZUC`VBZU<22>6B56936A4<46>PbF\
  <6>svc<6>feBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDr\
kDzqCzmC<8>v8A<5>x39<3>`A7
  }

pt5                { ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999  passes=1
center-mag=-0.602726/-0.00316482/2.109703/1/-90
  params=25/1/100/100 float=y outside=real
  colors=000QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvagwfkwknxpr\
yuvzzz<33>LguKguJfuHetHdrHcq<\
  4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>BUVBUUBTTASR<38>4AA<13>B\
ZUC`VBZU<22>6B56936A4<46>PbF\
  <6>svc<6>feBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDr\
kDzqCzmC<8>v8A<5>x39<3>`A7
  }

pt6                { ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999   passes=1
center-mag=0.079155/0.00206575/4.616661/1/-90
  params=100/100/100/1 float=y outside=real
  colors=000BBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J0\
9<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0\
  <7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<15>0zW<7>0JJ<14>0x\
x0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<\
  6>LO3<8>px9<6>FGI
  }

pt7                { ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999   passes=1
center-mag=0.0610871/0.0055435/2.109703/1/-90
  params=100/100/100/1 float=y outside=real
  colors=000m0P<4>z0W<7>J90<15>zW\
0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<15>0zW<\
  7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>B\
JF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>\
  WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<9>j0N
  }

pt8                { ; pagoda
                     ; 8-98 kathy roth
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_rc1.frm
formulaname=Carr1999   passes=1
center-mag=-0.0574325/0.00638511/3.965608/1/-90
  params=100/100/100/0.1 float=y outside=real
  colors=000M0B<14>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ\
0<15>zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<15>0zW\
  <7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>B\
JF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14\
  >WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09
  }


frm:Carr1999 (XAXIS) {; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996
  z= c =pixel+1/log(pixel),
  c1=1.5*z , c2=2.25*z , c3=3.375*z , c4=5.0625*z,
  l1=real(p1) , l2=imag(p1) , l3=real(p2) , l4=imag(p2),
  bailout=16, iter=0 , pp2 = pixel/imag(p2):
  t1=(iter==l1) , t2=(iter==l2) , t3=(iter==l3) , t4=(iter==l4),
  t=1-(t1||t2||t3||t4) , z=z*t , c=c*t + c1*t1 + c2*t2 + c3*t3 + c4*t4 +

pp2
  z=z*z+c,
  iter=iter+1
  (|real(z)|) <= bailout
  ;SOURCE: 42acarr.frm
}

frm:Carr2958 {; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996
          ; passes=1 needs to be used with this PHC formula.
  b5=b4=abs(sinh(0.5+pixel/2))^3-conj(0.1/pixel)-flip(0.1/pixel)+0.5,
  c=whitesq*conj(b4)-(whitesq==0)*sqr(b4)
  z=whitesq*sqr(b5)-(whitesq==0)*conj(b5)
  c1=1.5*z,c2=2.25*z,c3=3.375*z,c4=5.0625*z,
  l1=real(p1),l2=imag(p1),l3=real(p2),l4=imag(p2),
  bailout=16,iter=0:
  t1=(iter==l1),t2=(iter==l2),t3=(iter==l3),t4=(iter==l4),
  t=1-(t1||t2||t3||t4),z=z*t,c=c*t+c1*t1+c2*t2+c3*t3+c4*t4,
  z=z^2+(-0.7456,-0.132)+c/10,
  iter=iter+1
  imag(flip(z))<=bailout
  ;SOURCE: 42wcarr.frm
}









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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Kerry Mitchell formulas
Date: 28 Aug 1998 23:54:22 -0700 (MST)

George,

Thanks for the alert and the mods.  After I posted the files, it had
occurred to me that I had duplicate names, but the full horror of it
didn't set in.  :-)  Thanks for keeping me straight.

Kerry

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Kerry Mitchell formulas
Date: 28 Aug 1998 23:54:22 -0700 (MST)

George,

Thanks for the alert and the mods.  After I posted the files, it had
occurred to me that I had duplicate names, but the full horror of it
didn't set in.  :-)  Thanks for keeping me straight.

Kerry

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From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 08:55:25 -0400

  The Aug. 22, 1998 issue of Science News mentions that Curtis T. McMulle=
n, =

40, of Harvard University has won the Fields Medal, the most prestigious =

award in Mathematics for investigating the Mandelbrot Set.  His research =

provided a precise characterization of the set's convoluted boundary.

  Does anyone here know more about this?

Lee Skinner

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From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 16:15:20 +0200

>  The Aug. 22, 1998 issue of Science News mentions that Curtis T. McMullen,
>40, of Harvard University has won the Fields Medal, the most prestigious
>award in Mathematics for investigating the Mandelbrot Set.  His research
>provided a precise characterization of the set's convoluted boundary.
>
>  Does anyone here know more about this?
>
>Lee Skinner

No, but he seems to have a lot of mentions at the Harvard website.
http://www.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/papers.html has a list of his papers.
"The Mandelbrot set is universal" sounds like the answer, but it's in
formats I can't read (gunzipped postscript and dvi).

Joe

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Joe Pearson wrote:
> No, but he seems to have a lot of mentions at the Harvard website.
> http://www.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/

It appears that www.math.harvard.edu is a Solaris machine with the TCP
bug that makes it nearly impossible to download files from it over a
14.4kbps dialup.  (What bozo put that thing in as a Web server?)

Fortunately for me, I have a shell account on a T1, so I can circumvent
this problem.

> http://www.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/papers.html has a list of his papers.
> "The Mandelbrot set is universal" sounds like the answer, but it's in
> formats I can't read (gunzipped postscript and dvi).

On the theory that he put it up on his Web site so people could read
it, I have taken the liberty of preparing a gzipped PDF version at
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/muniv.pdf.gz>.  Unfortunately, it's
1,469K after you un-gzip it, compared to the 75K gzipped PostScript
version.  gzip compresses it down to 124K; WinZip (among other things)
can un-gzip the document.

I hope that the author has the time and the space to put a PDF version
on his own web site, because I'm a little tight on space.

Better software tools than the ones I have could probably shrink the
raw PDF version to 150K-200K or so.

The paper is 19 pages.

It begins something like this:

The Mandelbrot set is universal
Curtis T. McMullen
March 13, 1998

Abstract
We show small Mandelbrot sets are dense in the bifurcation locus
for any holomorphic family of rational maps.

1 Introduction
Fix an integer d >= 2, and let p[c](z) = z^2 + c.  The *generalized
Mandelbrot set* M[d] is a subset of C is defined as the set of c such
that the Julia set J(p[c]) is connected.  Equivalently, c is an element
of M[d] iff p[c]^n(0) does not tend to infinity as n approaches infinity.
The traditinal Mandelbrot set is the quadratic version M[2].

Kragen

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 22:02:42 +0200

Joe wrote:

>"The Mandelbrot set is universal" sounds like the answer, but it's in
>formats I can't read (gunzipped postscript and dvi).


Guess you mean "gzipped postscript" ;)

Christian




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fields Medal - Sorry
Date: 29 Aug 1998 22:13:41 +0200

I wrote:

>Joe wrote:
>
>>"The Mandelbrot set is universal" sounds like the answer, but it's in
>>formats I can't read (gunzipped postscript and dvi).
>
>Guess you mean "gzipped postscript" ;)
>
>Christian

Sorry - even though there was a ;) I was serious - but wrong. Sorry again.

Christian






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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 22:26:32 +0200

Kragen wrote:

[snip]
>Fix an integer d >= 2, and let p[c](z) = z^2 + c.  The *generalized
>Mandelbrot set* M[d] is a subset of C is defined as the set of c such
>that the Julia set J(p[c]) is connected.  Equivalently, c is an element
>of M[d] iff p[c]^n(0) does not tend to infinity as n approaches infinity.
>The traditinal Mandelbrot set is the quadratic version M[2].


Should be:

Fix an integer d >= 2, and let p[c](z) = z^d + c.  The *generalized
[etc]

Hmmm... if you're really interested and have the mathematical skills to
understand it, you could best download the .ps version.

Christian





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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 18:36:37 -0700

Kragen Sitaker wrote...

> On the theory that he put it up on his Web site so people could read
> it, I have taken the liberty of preparing a gzipped PDF version at
> <URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/muniv.pdf.gz>.  Unfortunately, it's
> 1,469K after you un-gzip it, compared to the 75K gzipped PostScript
> version.  gzip compresses it down to 124K; WinZip (among other things)
> can un-gzip the document.

I downloaded your pdf.gz with direct open from Netscape and got an
error, "file does not begin with

%pdf"

or some such.

So I loaded to disk and WinZIP unzipped. Same message on this file
muniv_pdf.pdf which is the name WinZip gave it. Then I
renamed the file from muniv_pdf.pdf to muniv.pdf using File Explorer.
Same thing, error.

Then I forget just what the message was. So I double clicked on muniv.pdf
again and if came up fine. In a binary dump the file indeed begins like this

%PDF-1.2...........

Now if you all 'out there' have this much trouble, perhaps gzip should
be dumped in favor of good old pkzip, pkunzip run in DOS. While WinZIP
handles long names and all, it does not seem to here and some other
times I have used it.

Good luck.

Thank you for putting the file up. Please leave it up for a few more
days so I can get it from work.

There is a trick to printing postscript files to a laser printer, straight
from DOS. I have it set up at work.  I'll post the trick if there is
interest. Please email:[e-mail] if you are. (fractint list only
comes to my home).

Jay


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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fields Medal
Date: 29 Aug 1998 22:46:02 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Jay Hill wrote:
> Now if you all 'out there' have this much trouble, perhaps gzip should
> be dumped in favor of good old pkzip, pkunzip run in DOS. While WinZIP
> handles long names and all, it does not seem to here and some other
> times I have used it.

To facilitate this approach, I have muniv.pdf.zip up at
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/muniv.pdf.zip>.  If you have trouble
downloading files, you can probably go to
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/muniv.html> which has links to the
two compressed versions.

I would be most surprised if pkunzip could ungzip a file.

> There is a trick to printing postscript files to a laser printer, straight
> from DOS. I have it set up at work.  I'll post the trick if there is
> interest. Please email:[e-mail] if you are. (fractint list only
> comes to my home).

Presumably your trick only works if the laser printer speaks
PostScript, no?

There's a program called GhostScript which will let you view PostScript
files on the screen and output them in various different ways.  That's
what I used to make the pdf, in fact.  GhostScript's pdf output
unfortunately doesn't support compression, though.

Kragen

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Pseudo-painted image
Date: 29 Aug 1998 22:23:00 -0700 (MST)

One reason I enjoy working with fractals so much is the tangential
exploring.  I was working on a new formula, which led me to a new
transformation.  One image to come out of the transformation is
one, which looks like it was painted with a dry brush on a canvas
with a lot of "tooth".  Not at all the typical Fractint fractal.

Enjoy,
Kerry

painted { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 29aug98
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=cell4 passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.125/1.333333/36
  params=0.125/1.414/8/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256
  periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=zzz<61>i1ih0hh0h\
  g0g<61>000000100<60>y99zAAzAAzBB<61>zzz cyclerange=0/255
  }

frm:cell4 { ; Kerry Mitchell 29aug98
        z=pixel, cell=real(p1), fac=imag(p1)
        iter=-1, done=0, itermax=real(p2):
        x=real(z), y=imag(z)
        i=trunc(x/cell)*cell, x=x-i
        j=trunc(y/cell)*cell, y=y-j
        u=y, v=-x
        x=i+u, y=j+v
        iter=iter+1, z=x+flip(y), cell=cell*fac
        if (iter==itermax)
          done=1
          endif
        done==0
        }


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) 5 pars (F'Liar4C)
Date: 30 Aug 1998 05:19:07 EDT



   Here are a few strange looking images, as usual for Liar formulae.  They
aren't in their numerical sequence but I think Fractint will properly sort
them.

      Enjoy~

Jim
******************************************************************************
*

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  function=cosh passes=t center-mag=0.41423/1.01458/1.7348/1/32.5
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  colors=000SSS<6>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N\
  <15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr\
  5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>\
  zz0<15>zzz<7>WWW
  }

F_liar4c01         { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/30/98 t=0:01:19.48 P75@800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_f.frm formulaname=F'Liar4C
  function=sqr passes=1
  center-mag=-0.00381301/0.00920542/0.8186843/1/-22.5 params=0.1/0/0/0
  float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0
  colors=000970<8>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0\
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  zzz<15>000<2>750
  }

F_liar4c03         { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/30/98 t=0:00:31.74 P75@800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_f.frm formulaname=F'Liar4C
  function=abs passes=t center-mag=2.025e-006/8.35e-007/0.4230692
  params=0.1/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=10 inside=bof60 periodicity=0
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  }

F_liar4c04         { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/30/98 t=0:00:24.83 P75@800x600
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  function=sqr passes=t
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  <15>zz0<13>zzr
  }

F_liar4c02         { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/30/98 t=0:01:10.69 P75@800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_f.frm formulaname=F'Liar4C
  function=tan passes=t center-mag=0.38119/1.06893/0.2947001
  params=0.1/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0
  colors=000970<8>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0\
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  frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>zz0<15>\
  zzz<15>000<2>750
  }

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) 17 pars (F'Liar4C&1C)
Date: 30 Aug 1998 10:02:08 EDT



  Well, I couldn't sleep, so I came up with more of these strange images.
Some aren't so great, but a few are really interesting.  Also,...they all use
the same old flashy colormap again.   Enjoy anyway~

Jim

******************************************************************************
********

F_liar4c06         { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/30/98 t=0:01:02.51 P75@800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_f.frm formulaname=F'Liar4C
  function=abs passes=t
  center-mag=-6.66134e-015/4.88498e-015/0.2173913 params=0/0/0/0
  float=y maxiter=10 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0
  colors=000bbb<9>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N\
  <15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr\
  5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>\
  zz0<15>zzz<4>fff
  }

F_liar4c07         { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/30/98 t=0:01:05.47 P75@800x600
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  function=abs passes=t
  center-mag=-3.55271e-015/-7.99361e-015/0.1705228/1/-90
  params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=10 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  periodicity=0
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  frBbr<3>Qzb<3>dzN
  }

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  }

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  }

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  }

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  function=sqr/tanh passes=1
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From: Judy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Does this list have an FAQ for Newbies?
Date: 30 Aug 1998 11:49:17 -0700

I really hate to ask but.....
I just recently discovered the amazing world of fractals, Fractint and
this list.  Is there an FAQ that I can refer to in order to avoid asking
the same newbie questions like how I can use the formulas posted here in
Fractint to see the designs.  (Most likely a copy and paste
somewhere???)

Thanks for your patience,
Judy

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From: Judy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re:Does this list have an FAQ for Newbies?
Date: 30 Aug 1998 13:52:51 -0700

Thanks, I just tripped over a link to just such a list.

It's ALWAYS the last place I look! <g>

Judy

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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 30 Aug 1998 17:32:38 -0700

> From: Dean-Christian Strik <[e-mail]>

> Damien wrote:
>
> >For IE4, choose View > Internet Options > Security.  Choose "Restricted
> >sites zone" and choose Custom for the security level.  Choose "High
> >Security" and "Reset".  Scroll down to Scripting/Active Scripting and
> >choose Disable.  Click OK.  Now click Add Sites, enter
> >http://www.geocities.com, and click Add.  OK, OK.  Any other sites you want
> >to disable JavaScript on (like maybe Tripod) you can just add, without
> >having to mess with the Custom security settings again.
>
>
> I suggest you do the same for
>
> http://www.fortunecity.com  and
> http://www.freeyellow.com
>
> Although the last one isn't so common, you shouldn't be surprised to get
> *THREE* popup windows!
>
> Christian

Damien and Christian have been nominated for inclusion in the
inFamous iFAQ (inFrequently Asked Questions).
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html

I know of a blind man who uses a text to audio software/hardware device to
read email and surf the net. Attachments to email and the highly irritating
'watermark' at Geocities cause him no end of trouble! He has asked all
his friends to complain to Geocities. (Of course, he does not subscribe
to this list. Who knows what a par file would sound like?)

I set up on Geocities before getting my Road Runner account. My fractal stuff
is spread across both sites. Since then they have put in the water mark.
Luckily,
I host most of my good stuff like Dr. J from Road Runner. Since I am about out
of
room (Dr. J files etc.) I have been looking around for another home.

Here are a few of the dozen I have looked at.

http://www.fortunecity.com  offers 20Mb (nearly twice what Geocities gives) and

http://www.cybercities.com/ offers unlimited space as does
http://www.spree.com/
Other possibilities are
http://www.freeservers.com (12Mb),
http://xoom.com/home/ (11Mb) and
http://www.homestead.com/ (5Mb)
The trouble is, it is hard to check out these sites for look and
feel since these addresses only lead to signing up. As to real
pages folk have set up there, that is another question. They may
all have objectionable 'features' in their quest for ways to pay the bills.
Random popup windows and banners on your page are certainly
expected, but the watermark is going too far.

One consideration I'm wondering about. What is the best 'village' to join.
Most of these sites have categories like art and science which seem the
closer to fractals than some others. Some of these sites seem to have no
detectable organization. Maybe it does not matter.

As one can see, my Geocities site
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/
is in the science section where I have such things as the
Area of the Mandelbrot set
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Period-Area-16.html
but my Road Runner site is more art like...Fractal of the Night...
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html

Another consideration is the methods offered for building your site.
Geocities has a nice HTML interface (which only works with Netscape,
I'm told) so you can upload, edit and manage you pages right on the
web. Others like my Road Runner account require use of FTP. That
is OK for one site, but working several will require putting in addresses and
passwords for each every time I log in.  Either of these methods is OK, really.

Some sites offer so called quick page builders of which I am uncertain how
flexible they would be for setting up a fractal site.

Comments anyone?  I'd like see some (any) actual URLs of and hear
from fractal folk at these sites?

Jay
BTW. The new address for the sci.fractals FAQ
http://fractal.mta.ca/sci.fractals-faq/
does not answer!

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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 30 Aug 1998 21:42:07 -0400

>Jay Hill wrote:
>

> I set up on Geocities before getting my Road Runner account. My fractal stuff
> is spread across both sites. Since then they have put in the water mark.
> Luckily,
> I host most of my good stuff like Dr. J from Road Runner. Since I am about out
> of
> room (Dr. J files etc.) I have been looking around for another home.
>
> Here are a few of the dozen I have looked at.
>
> http://www.fortunecity.com  offers 20Mb (nearly twice what Geocities gives) and
>
> http://www.cybercities.com/ offers unlimited space as does
> http://www.spree.com/
> Other possibilities are
> http://www.freeservers.com (12Mb),
> http://xoom.com/home/ (11Mb) and
> http://www.homestead.com/ (5Mb)
> The trouble is, it is hard to check out these sites for look and
> feel since these addresses only lead to signing up. As to real
> pages folk have set up there, that is another question. They may
> all have objectionable 'features' in their quest for ways to pay the bills.
> Random popup windows and banners on your page are certainly
> expected, but the watermark is going too far.
>

>
> Comments anyone?  I'd like see some (any) actual URLs of and hear
> from fractal folk at these sites?
>

Hello, everyone--

Another way to get around the pop-ups and watermarks:  I have most of my
space-eating image files stored at GeoCities, along with a couple
"dummy" HTML documents.  That way, GeoCities can attach all of the
pop-ups, banners, watermarks, etc. they want; No one will ever see
them!  My URL for unhindered viewing is with Xoom ( http://xoom.com/ ),
which doesn't subject its members to the above mentioned indignities.
My thanks to Luke Plant for suggesting Xoom and Sylvie Gallet for her
web site structure tips.

The results are at http://members/xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/welcome.html

The only problem  I've had is somewhat frequent "connection reset by
peer" error messages.  Clicking "Reload" usually works...

I've also added a couple of new images and cleaned up my PAR and FRM
files - They're now in ZIP format, and (should) be directly extractable
into Fractint without any editing.

Paul

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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 30 Aug 1998 22:02:41 -0400

Paul DeCelle wrote:
>
> The results are at http://members/xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/welcome.html
>
AAARGH!  The correct URL is
http:/members.xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/welcome.html

Sorry, I should cut/paste instead of relying on memory...


Paul

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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Finally, Correct URL
Date: 30 Aug 1998 22:07:35 -0400

Paul DeCelle wrote:
>
> > The results are at http://members/xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/welcome.html
> >
Double AAARGH!  The correct URL is
http://members.xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/welcome.html

Sorry, I should cut/paste instead of relying on memory (and not be in
such a hurry)...

Paul

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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 30 Aug 1998 23:17:17 -0400



Paul DeCelle wrote:

> >Jay Hill wrote:
> > Here are a few of the dozen I have looked at.
> >
> > http://www.fortunecity.com  offers 20Mb (nearly twice what Geocities gives)

Yes, but they have a horrendous banner on top of the page! I have a site there though
and plan to use it just like Paul uses his GeoCities site. At first I tried to do
this with Crosswinds (unlimited space; no ads) but not only is it intolerably slow
much of the time, they actually deleted my entire site while I was away from home
traveling!!!

> > http://xoom.com/home/ (11Mb)

I agree with Paul that this is probably the best outfit for service without
"indignities." I have a site here devoted to photography, so there is no room there
to hide fractal images, though I have some zip files - pars and formulas - here
accessed through my Geocities fractal site. Xoom does send you a spam about once a
week trying to sell some clipart and other stuff, but that is much preferable to
pop-up ads and banners and watermarks.

> Hello, everyone--
>
> Another way to get around the pop-ups and watermarks:  I have most of my
> space-eating image files stored at GeoCities, along with a couple
> "dummy" HTML documents.  That way, GeoCities can attach all of the
> pop-ups, banners, watermarks, etc. they want; No one will ever see
> them!  My URL for unhindered viewing is with Xoom ( http://xoom.com/ ),
> which doesn't subject its members to the above mentioned indignities.
> My thanks to Luke Plant for suggesting Xoom and Sylvie Gallet for her
> web site structure tips.
>
> The results are at http://members/xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/welcome.html
>
> The only problem  I've had is somewhat frequent "connection reset by
> peer" error messages.  Clicking "Reload" usually works...

Yes, Paul, I got that too, twice in fact, while visiting your site a few minutes ago.

GeoCities does offer what they call GeoPlus: 25 MB space with no pop-ups and no
banners, for only $4.95 a month. That is what I have for my fractal site, and I think
it is worth it. With GeoPlus you also have a choice of having or not having the
watermark. If you access the site with the special personal URL you get - such as
/~gedeonp/ (see below) - you don't get the watermark. If, on the other hand, you
access the site with the "homestead address" - such as /SoHo/Coffehouse/4094/ - you
do get the watermark. If they make the watermark mandatory on the GeoPlus sites too,
I will probably leave them, though I don't know where I would go.

Killing the pop-ups as suggested by Damien is nice, but it solves less than half the
problem. I certainly hate the pop-ups when they appear in my browser, but I am even
more concerned that visitors to my web sites should not be exposed to them.

Gedeon

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Member Infinite Fractal Loop
Last updated: July 12, 1998
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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 30 Aug 1998 23:57:58 -0700

Hi Fractintiers,

Is it possible that some people might be offended
by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
friend who thinks fractals are ugly. There might even
be someone who might be offended (or concerned) by
my Dr. J stories. Is this likely? Without mentioning
names, but there have been discussions here of how
some fractals were considered by some to be offensive...

Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!

http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1

Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
blots could bring out some of the most inner
feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
at the office see something more than I see?

Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)

Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....

Jay


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 03:19:50 EDT


  Jay,

    Although I've seen some rather *ugly* fractals before, including many of
my own<g>, not one of them has ever offended me, and it's sad to hear that
some people might be offended by fractals. However, they're art,...just as
paintings are, and even some of the greatest painters offended a few people I
guess.  Oh, well,...it's a matter of opinion really. To me, fractals are the
most beautiful thing I've seen, and I'll always get the greatest satisfaction
from creating new images. And,...it's nice to know that there's enough
different formulae and drawing methods to have a virtually unlimited supply of
fractal images. A lifetimes worth! :)

  Regards~

Jim

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Subject: (fractint) 9 pars(F'Liar4C) different map
Date: 31 Aug 1998 05:07:09 EDT


   Just a few more images,.....with jacco244.map this time.

      Enjoy~

 Jim
******************************************************************************

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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 05:25:19 -0400

At 11:57 PM 8/30/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Fractintiers,
>
>Is it possible that some people might be offended
>by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
>friend who thinks fractals are ugly.

I think Piccaso (sp?) paintings are ugly. Which means nothing and the
majority of people who know anything about art would disagree. It is your
friend's perogative in his likes and dislikes, but is only his opinion.

I have found nothing offensive in either your Dr. J episodes or fractals -
when I can find time to look at them.

>Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
>on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....

Sounds likely...   :)

[e-mail]
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How do I put it in reverse?

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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 22:34:20 +1200

At 23:57 30/08/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
>blots could bring out some of the most inner
>feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
>what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
>things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
>co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
>at the office see something more than I see?
>
I dunno about offensive - everything offends _someone_ at least
some time.

I one started writing a story about "seeing things" in a fractal.
I never finished it because in researching it I came across other short
storys published that went along simiar lines (if only I could remember
which ones they now are - I'll have to dig), and I mine would have ended
up looking derivative. But as well as "seeing" stuff in a fractal, I
took on the fact that our eyes are by far the widest-bandwidth channel
for getting information into the brain (the retinas themselves
qualifying as exposed bits of the brain) - something like 150Gb/s raw
data rate - so one could then imagine using a certain image to
"reprogram" people just by getting them to look at it - even perhaps
skewing their judgement so that they would be offended by something
they'd previously enjoyed. The images could only be safely handled by
people wearing suitable filtering goggles - yes! Rose-tinted glasses!


Okay, that's quite silly enough.
Morgan.



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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 31 Aug 1998 08:22:30 -0400

Hi Paul,

>> Another way to get around the pop-ups and watermarks:  I have most of
>> my space-eating image files stored at GeoCities, along with a couple
>> "dummy" HTML documents.  That way, GeoCities can attach all of the
>> pop-ups, banners, watermarks, etc. they want; No one will ever see
>> them!  My URL for unhindered viewing is with Xoom ( http://xoom.com/
>> ), which doesn't subject its members to the above mentioned
>> indignities.  My thanks to Luke Plant for suggesting Xoom and Sylvie
>> Gallet for her web site structure tips.

  I'd like to suggest everyone that has pages at GeoCities to use the sam=
e
trick!  Your new pages load faster now.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 31 Aug 1998 08:40:38 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Sylvie Gallet wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> >> Another way to get around the pop-ups and watermarks:  I have most of
> >> my space-eating image files stored at GeoCities, along with a couple
> >> "dummy" HTML documents.  That way, GeoCities can attach all of the
>
>   I'd like to suggest everyone that has pages at GeoCities to use the same
> trick!  Your new pages load faster now.

I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the case.

Kragen (who hasn't read their terms of service in a long time)

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Jay Hill wrote:
> Is it possible that some people might be offended
> by our fractals and fractal art?

Sure.

> Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
> result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
> in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
> him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!
>
> http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1

Yeah, Cameron Barrett.  He has some pretty freaky stories on his web
site.

Nevertheless, what his cow-orkers did to him was wrong.

> Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
> of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
> of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
> us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
> entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)

Well, I'd be happy to host fractal sites under people's pen names and
protect their secret identities.  :)

Kragen

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From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:57:51 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Morgan L. Owens wrote:
> up looking derivative. But as well as "seeing" stuff in a fractal, I
> took on the fact that our eyes are by far the widest-bandwidth channel
> for getting information into the brain (the retinas themselves
> qualifying as exposed bits of the brain) - something like 150Gb/s raw
> data rate -

I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation using the assumption that the
whole eye had resolution equivalent to the fovea's, and came up with a
rough guess of 10Gb/s.

Of course, the foveae actually have much, much better resolution than
the rest of the eye, so the truth is probably only a few hundred kbps.

Our ears can hear at something like 80kbps.

Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.

Taste is probably not a high-bandwidth sense.

Smell, I don't know.  It probably doesn't have great time resolution (4
Hz at most, I think) and almost no spatial resolution (left nostril or
right, and most of us can't even tell the difference) but it has a huge
number of channels -- but whether they are hundreds or millions I am
not sure.

Kragen

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 07:16:48 -0700

>Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
>blots could bring out some of the most inner
>feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
>what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
>things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
>co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
>at the office see something more than I see?

An interesting question, Jay.

When the fractal-arts and fractint lists first started, Sharon Webb sent
a little story in to one of them (fractal-arts?)  I hope I've got this
right, Sharon!  If not, please correct me!

Sharon decided to exhibit one of her fractals at a local fair.  Then she
sort of hung out in the corner, just to watch the reaction of others.
Pretty soon, a couple of teen-aged boys came along, and they stood in
front of it and stared for a long time.  Finally, one of the boys turned
to the other and said, "It's REALLY dirty, but I like it!"

Linda


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From: albert g faulkner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 11:22:35 -0400

Hello Jay and other fractinters,
     I think fractals are one of the most gorgeous things I have ever
beheld.  It shows what mankind can do with a little imagination,
determination, and motivitation.  I have not gotten into them yet
myself, but I sure enjoy visiting the various sites and seeing the
beauty and imagination at work.  I have been lurking for a spell, but
through another course The Artists Way I was led to the fractals.   The
artists way is a group that looks into the finer things of life and how
to remove the"blocks" that hold many of us back.  I am taking the course
on the Web and it is excellent for soul searching etc.  One of the
members recommended the area of fractals and gave us the address.  I
have been engaged in the realm of improving the mind and the
understanding of myself.  It is astounding how many people are out there
with a closed mind.  It is positively astounding.  I got a degree in
Chemistry back in 1949 and would have probably gone into engineering,
but at the time I was terrified of Mathematics.  Since then I have
overcome the fear and really enjoy learning more about and philosophy,
and the spiritual side of life..  I think your creations are tremendous
and will dabble myself once I finish the AW course..  I have discovered
I am not Superman, so have been forced to take life one day at a time,
and also one project at a time.  I am also interested in Amateur Radio,
drawing, painting and carving.
I am 71 and am really starting to enjoy life.  Keep up the good
work.      Albert


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From: FreeFlux / CephiD <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 17:50:31 +0200

Hi,
I find this to be nearly unbelievable! Could anyone please tell me /how/
anybody could be offended by an image of a fractal??
Unless you are looking for or making some kind of weird fractal that
looks like something from a regular pr0n site...(difficult but
possible).
Weird...ofcourse Rorschach comes to mind in /some/ cases but even
then...

JB

Jay Hill wrote:

> Hi Fractintiers,
>
> Is it possible that some people might be offended
> by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
> friend who thinks fractals are ugly. There might even
> be someone who might be offended (or concerned) by
> my Dr. J stories. Is this likely? Without mentioning
> names, but there have been discussions here of how
> some fractals were considered by some to be offensive...
>
> Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
> result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
> in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
> him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!
>
> http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1
>
> Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
> blots could bring out some of the most inner
> feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
> what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
> things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
> co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
> at the office see something more than I see?
>
> Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
> of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
> of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
> us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
> entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)
>
> Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
> on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....
>
> Jay
>
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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 09:36:01 -0700 (PDT)


Jay Hill wrote:

> Hi Fractintiers,
>
> Is it possible that some people might be offended
> by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
> friend who thinks fractals are ugly. There might even
> be someone who might be offended (or concerned) by
> my Dr. J stories. Is this likely? Without mentioning
> names, but there have been discussions here of how
> some fractals were considered by some to be offensive...

People are going to be offended by just about anything.  In this day of
"Political Correctness", it is deemed to be a bad thing for something to
offend.  However, IMO, most of those offended by PC things should be
offended.  We can't laugh at ourselves anymore, and we certainly can't
laugh at others or we are considered intolerant, a bigot, or any number
of descriptive terms.

Fractals are creations born from mathematical formulas, manipulated by
various parameters, colorings schemes, etc.  Given the creativity of the
various artists, or experimentors (in my case), one can create images
that may be ugly, magnificently beautiful, or somewhere inbetween.  In
any case, it is in the eye of the beholder to determine the relative
beauty of an images, as it is with most any form of art.  I find it
extremely unlikely that an image would offend someone, unless that
image would happen to resemble some other "real-life" image that is
considered offensive.  I mean, seriously, it is rather difficult to
create a fractal image that contains the same offense that the "Piss
Christ" image did.  After all, that image was meant to offend.  In any
case, I think it would be very difficult to intentionally create
fractals images meant to offend someone.

> Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
> result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
> in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
> him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!
>
> http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1

Well, IMO, the employer had no backbone and neither did the people
claiming offense.  I'm surprised that some organization did back the man
who was fired for violation of his rights.  They certainly do in other,
more ridiculous situations.

> Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
> blots could bring out some of the most inner
> feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
> what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
> things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
> co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
> at the office see something more than I see?

In the ideal world, my answer would be "So what?".  However, in this
current climate of PC, one does have to take these things into account.
Many companies have restrictions about using work accounts for personal
uses.  I'm sure there are numerous cases of employers being sued for the
personal actions of employees, even though non-work related.

> Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
> of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
> of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
> us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
> entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)

I wouldn't think so, but each has to make that determination for
themselves.

> Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
> on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....

Yes, a good night's sleep and a good rally on one's portfolio does
wonders for moral.  :-)



Ken...









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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 10:34:44 -0700 (MST)

I had one of my earlier images (black and white rendering of a Julia)
characterized as "evil", and I've had other images described as "sexual"
or "erotic".  My dad, who was a "real" artist and taught in public
schools, had one of his pieces rejected for public display.  He did a lot
of abstract, graphic art, and this piece was from a series on zodiac
signs.  It resembled a "6" next to a "9", which apparantly got the sexual
fires of someone going.  I've heard that many of Georgia O'Keefe's flower
paintings "look" sexual.

Our minds are great at finding patterns and assigning meanings to all
sorts of things.  Consequently, I'm sure *someone* will get burned for
their fractal art being "offensive", but I'm also sure that that should
not be a deterrant for any of us.

Kerry Mitchell
[e-mail]


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:09:29 +0200

Kragen wrote:

>Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
>decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
>tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
>big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
>spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
>good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
>may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.


Well, too bad it's hard to _feel_ fractals :)

Christian




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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:34:39 -0400

Hi Kragen,

>> I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
>> might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the
>> case.

  I don't know.  Maybe Paul DeCelle could enlighten us?

        - Sylvie (who will never read their terms of service!)



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Subject: (fractint) 1 par (F'Liar4C)sg_map102.map
Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:04:55 EDT


  Just a zoom of a previously posted par....with a Sylvie Gallet colormap.

    Enjoy~

Jim
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                     ; sg_map02.map
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  function=abs passes=t
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  J8LG7JE6GB5E86G9<11>GZJH`KIbLJdMKfNLhM<12>wt1<12>DVF<3>CQDCPCCNBCMACLABJ\
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 01 Sep 1998 01:11:08 +0200

Kragen wrote:

>>[on the trick of 'remote loading']
>
>I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
>might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the case.
>
>Kragen (who hasn't read their terms of service in a long time)


Well, I did and Geocities says the following:

Not allowed are:

- Using your page (or directory) as storage for remote loading or as a door or
signpost to another home page, whether inside or beyond GeoCities;
- Developing restricted or password-only access pages, or hidden pages or
images (those not linked to from another accessible page);

Members who are in violation of these policies may have their membership
revoked and their pages, or portions of their pages, removed without warning.

See www.geocities.com/members/guidelines/tos.html  and
www.geocities.com/members/guidelines/guideline.html (from which I have the
quotes above)
for details.

Geocities also says:

- Not allowed is 'having multiple GeoCities addresses which are within the
same GeoCities neighborhood or which have the same theme'.

Christian




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From: "Justin Altman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 16:16:15 PDT

I could see how some could be offended, some fractals i have made/found
resemble things such as drugs, or 'body parts'.  A certain section of a
variation of the mandlebrot that I was looking at even contained what
looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream', with some false
colors.  It was weird, but not offensive.


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From: "Justin Altman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 16:16:29 PDT

I could see how some could be offended, some fractals i have made/found
resemble things such as drugs, or 'body parts'.  A certain section of a
variation of the mandlebrot that I was looking at even contained what
looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream', with some false
colors.  It was weird, but not offensive.


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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:28:57 -0400

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> Hi Kragen,
>
> >> I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
> >> might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the
> >> case.
>
>   I don't know.  Maybe Paul DeCelle could enlighten us?
>
>         - Sylvie (who will never read their terms of service!)
>
Hi, Everybody--

I've never read through all of the terms, either, so I don't know.  I do
have a fully functional site up at GC; but I am using the same, or very
slightly modified, HTML documents at Xoom to access.  Come to think of
it, this is probably against BOTH GeoCities and Xoom service terms.
We'll see what happens.  If I run into trouble, I'll probably just go
ahead an sign up for the GeoPlus option, or look for a new home...

Two new images at "Collection 4" today
http://members.xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/Exhibit4.html
Beware the penguins <G>.

Paul--

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From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:26:40 -0400

>>Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
>>decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
>>tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
>>big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
>>spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
>>good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
>>may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.
>
>
>Well, too bad it's hard to _feel_ fractals :)
>
>Christian


Here's one way - stand as naked as legally possible in the early morning
sunshine on a fall or spring morning, when there's a light breeze (fractal)...
don't forget to breathe deeply - get some fractal on the inside, too!

Jason


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From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Best Wishes to Albert
Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:15:37 -0400


>I am 71 and am really starting to enjoy life.  Keep up the good
>work.      Albert


You are blessed, sir!  Thanks for writing!

Jason Hine


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re:(fractint) Fractal risks?
Date: 01 Sep 1998 01:48:16 +0200

>A certain section of a
>variation of the mandlebrot that I was looking at even contained what
>looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream', with some false
>colors.  It was weird, but not offensive.


Munch's 'The Scream' I suppose? If you know where it is, could you post that?
Or send it to me personally? I have always had something with, let's say,
nature's or maths' productions looking a lot like famous art-works.

[If you don't know where it's at, don't waste your time :)]

Christian

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:01:36 -0500

Christian,

I have noticed that while GeoCities puts those policies in place, and they
COULD enforce them easily, they often do not seem to care unless someone
complains.  For example, my old GeoCities address
(http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/) has had a forwarding page for
*months*, ever since I moved my gallery to my own server.  It's still
there.  Back when GeoCities had more limited resources, I think they
applied the rules more strictly, but they now have so much bloat I don't
think they really care.  I'm not saying you SHOULD abuse their policy,
merely indicating they probably won't do anything if you DO abuse it.

BTW, GeoCities' easy-upload facility works great with IE4.  I've pointed
this out to them several times, and they did eventually update their file
manager page to indicate IE4 supports uploads.

One more tip: if you follow my suggestion for disabling JavaScript while
visiting GeoCities, and want to disable JavaScript at Tripod as well (gets
rid of those popups!) then the URL is http://members.tripod.com (not
www.tripod.com).

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Best Wishes to Albert
Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:17:28 -0700

I was going to say pretty much the same thing to Albert....and to note
that I'm discovering that there are many benefits to getting older if we
just look for them.  Wish I had the health of youth, though......but I'm
not sure I'd trade it for current wisdom/experience.

Speaking of wisdom, I always get a chuckle out of those who can
conveniently foist off their tiresome little minds onto someone else.
THEY see "something" offensive and it is someone else's fault......tidy,
I call that....all the fun of being dirty without needing to examine
your own thoughts/perversions.

I think it would be darn hard to bring in a conviction for an offensive
fractal.  So let's keep fractaling and join in a brotherhood....cross
our hearts and hope to die......which will rescue Jay and Dr. J from any
nasty Fractal Gestapo (distinguishable by their boring uniforms and
tight ass*s, not to mention pin heads.)

Angele aka wizzle

p.s. are we to hear any stories of the dreaded fractal-market crash of
1998???

Jason Hine wrote:
>
> >I am 71 and am really starting to enjoy life.  Keep up the good
> >work.      Albert
>
> You are blessed, sir!  Thanks for writing!
>
> Jason Hine
>

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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Risks
Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:19:24 -0700

>looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream'

Yes, send in "The Scream"!


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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Risks
Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:27:20 -0700

kathy roth wrote:
>
> >looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream'
>
> Yes, send in "The Scream"!

which brings up a notion for a category for the next great fractal
contest.......fractal most like a great art work

wiz

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From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript
Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:38:42 -0400

//  One more tip: if you follow my suggestion for disabling JavaScript while
//  visiting GeoCities, and want to disable JavaScript at Tripod as
//  well (gets
//  rid of those popups!) then the URL is http://members.tripod.com (not
//  www.tripod.com).
//
//  Damien M. Jones   \\
//  [e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
//                      \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

I thought one interesting thing about the restricted sites feature for IE4
is that if you use something like *.tripod.com you restrict www.tripod.com
and members.tripod.com.  This is a good strategy, but normally, I turn off
JScript and ActiveX and Java applets for the internet zone, then use the
trusted sites zone for sites I visit frequently and trust not to do annoying
stuff, like *.zdnet.com and such.  Actually, if you think about it, the
trusted sites zone and the restricted sites zone are identical, other than
their default security settings, and the sites you add to their lists.


Peter Gavin
<[e-mail]>
// End transmission


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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Risks
Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:40:06 -0700


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> > Yes, send in "The Scream"!
>
> which brings up a notion for a category for the next great fractal
> contest.......fractal most like a great art work
>
> wiz
>
Well I don't think anyone can beat Kerry mitchell's
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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks? and new ways of perceiving
Date: 01 Sep 1998 15:44:22 +1200

At 09:57 31/08/98 -0400, Kragen wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Morgan L. Owens wrote:
>> [My short story would have ended] up looking derivative.
>>
Probably the most offensive thing about it had been its working title.

>> But as well as "seeing" stuff in a fractal, I
>> took on the fact that our eyes are by far the widest-bandwidth channel
>> for getting information into the brain ... something like 150Gb/s raw
>> data rate -
>
>I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation using the assumption that the
>whole eye had resolution equivalent to the fovea's, and came up with a
>rough guess of 10Gb/s.
>
I may have botched my calculations - how did you figure yours? I remember
assuming the human eye can distinguish about ten million colours, and I
also assumed the whole retina had foveal resolution (though I forget now
just what that is). I also assumed that the retinas didn't do any of the
extensive preprocessing they do before sending the results down the optic
nerve. Then I doubled it for two eyes.

You can probably guess that I did this calculation a long time ago and only
remembered the result!

>
>Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
>decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
>tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
>big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
>spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
>good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
>may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.
>
Cor, hadn't thought of this one.

>Taste is probably not a high-bandwidth sense.
>
No, I wouldn't think so either. Once you specified the relative strengths
of the four taste categories (sour, sweet, etc.) the fine-tuning that
allows you to distinguish, say, coffee from decaf, is handled by the nose
and volatiles slipping into it via the throat. The other channels involved
would be temperature and texture (which also involve the palate).

And what about the other senses humans possess? How fine-grained is our
sense of direction, for example? Balance? Proprioception? Kinaesthesia?
Some of those would have very few channels, and inaccurate ones at that,
with shoddy time resolution, so the question for those is, for example,
what is the smallest amount/rate of rotation can a rotating person perceive?

Cor, sit a person in one of those round cages and spin him around to a
fractal rhythm. Whee!

Morgan



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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Risks
Date: 31 Aug 1998 22:12:40 -0700 (MST)

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, kathy roth wrote:

> > > Yes, send in "The Scream"!
> >
> > which brings up a notion for a category for the next great fractal
> > contest.......fractal most like a great art work
> >
> > wiz
> >
> Well I don't think anyone can beat Kerry mitchell's
> Mona Lisa.
>
Thanks for the nod!  I'm glad someone likes it.

Kerry

Kerry Mitchell
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