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From: tim gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New galleries
Date: 01 Nov 1999 01:06:56 -0800

> [e-mail] (Sylvie Gallet) wrote:
> (on 10/31/99 at 4:57 PM)
>
> Hi All,
>
>   I just reorganized my site, moved the entrance to
> Fractalus.com, updated my Fractal-Art Contests page, and
> added two galleries (#15 and 16).
>
>   The new URLs are:
>
>   - for the English version:
>     <http://www.fractalus.com/sylvie/homepage.htm>
>   - for the French version:
>     <http://www.fractalus.com/sylvie/homepagf.htm>
>
>   Enjoy!
>
>         - Sylvie

Sylvie,

I thoroughly enjoyed your galleries.  I've been unsubscribed
from the fractint list for a few months, and your gallery
update is the first list-message to find me.

Thanks again for sharing your images,
=- Tim
[e-mail]



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From: Abhishek Roy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Other programs
Date: 01 Nov 1999 05:28:48 +0500

My mailer-daemon informed me about errors in this message so I'm resending
it. Sorry if you got it twice.

Hello all,
       This is my first post to this list, though I've been lurking for a few
months. The introduction to the list said that this was the place to wax
eloquent about other fractal software (among other things) and so far none
has done *that*, so here goes...

Wlplot - Wesley Loewer available at http://archives.math.utk.edu
A dos based collection of many small graphing programs connected by a
meny.Simple, fast and really nifty at times (polar and recursive
functions). BTW the author is thankful to the Stone Soup group for the
Mandel speedups.

Euler  - Rene Grothmann at http://mathsrv.ku-eichstaett.de/MGF/homes/grothmann
The features are in direct proportion to the number of disclaimers that the
author puts out (following in the finest GNU tradition!). Only 3d
Mandelbrot set with potential lines and Julias in the way of fractals, but
you can program your own. A sample recursive flower is included (yes I know
you did that when you were twelve but just thought I'd mention it).

    And now, last but not the least {:-> Fractint. May light eternal shine
upon the progammers (with a litle more wattage for developers of the
formula parser). In fact you could cut out nearly all the other features
except that and the evolver and still have a great program.
    Enough said. Good bye for now.
                                Abhishek Roy



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From: Abhishek Roy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Liar formula
Date: 01 Nov 1999 05:29:41 +0500

Does anyone have any more information on the Liar formulas by Chuck Elgbert
given in fractint.frm? The comments are remarkably terse for such an
interesting relation.
                                Abhishek Roy



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From: "Rupert Millard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Athlon versus Pentium III
Date: 01 Nov 1999 13:32:45 GMT

>From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (fractint) Athlon versus Pentium III
>
>Hi Fractinters,
>
>My old P90 is out of order now, I don't find HD's (2.1GB max.) anymore...
>etc... so does somebody knows what CPU is better for Fractint (using the
>FPU): the AMD Athlon or the Intel P III?
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Guy

U think U've got problems?
I've got a 486sx @ 25MHz with 4mb RAM and I'm not complaining!

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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New galleries
Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:10:19 -0500

Hi Stephen,

>> Mon Dieu, Sylvie!
>> What remarkable creations!

  Merci beaucoup!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Thore Berntsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New version of Fractint Screen Saver.
Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:39:42 +0100

You can find the new version of Fractint screen saver version 2.12 at

http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm
<http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm>

Version 2.12 is a fix of some small problems that I have found in
version 2.10 and 2.11.


Thore Berntsen
[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>




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From: Bill Jemison <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Musical thumbnails
Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:54:29 -0500

Miguel,

Yes, I've been lurking (blush). I am so far behind
on my messaging that I'm embarrased, but I will try =

to start getting caught up.

I no longer do any fractint midi files, as I find the =

native sounds to be more interesting and fun to use, =

especially with ver.20. But I will be happy to describe
my basic methods, although I have unfortunately lost =

(unreadable backup tape) my programs that I wrote for
the purpose of producing the midi files. =


As you have noted, using the <orbitsave=3Dsound> option
will generate a .txt file which contains information on
on the numberic value that is sent to the pc speaker for
each orbit point generated. It also records a time value =

at the end of each new pixel being calculated. It =

takes the form of:

       768
       1606
       979
       -420
       time=3D113640
       230
       1961
       time=3D115990
       ...

One note if using this option...beware! this file can get
very large, very fast. If one has a high maxiter there can be
more than a million lines generated *per pixel*.

I used this information to convert the raw numbers to values =

which meshed with midi info. For my purposes, I called midi
note value "0" C-1 and note value "127" G9. (Some would do it
differently ie. "0" =3D C-2...there seems to be a lack of agreement).
So "Middle A" - the "A" above "Middle C" has a hz value
of 440 and a midi note value of 69.

So I converted the note values in the sound.txt file to midi note =

info by rounding the raw numbers to the nearest midi note hz value,
calling notes above or below legal limits "silent notes".

I also had to change the time value to a midi recognizable form, as =

well as add in some non-fractint supplied info that is needed by
the key to this whole process...a neat freeware program called =

MF2T.EXE. This does the converting of .txt files to .mid files, and =

visa-versa. I took an existing midi file, ran it through MF2T and
learned what it was looking for in the txt file...added that info =

to my txt files, and ran the companion T2MF and got a usable .mid
file, which could then be manipulated with standard midi programs.

I am quite rusty in the specifics, as it has been three years since
last playing with this technique. I did produce a CD "The Sounds of
Chaos" and would be happy to give info via private email.

Hope that this helps give you a start, if you are so inclined.         =


Bill

 <I just did RTFM and found that orbitsave=3Dsound
 <can generate a .txt file with the "raw" sound data,
 <which in turn can be post-processed and converted
 <to MIDI. In, fact, the Fractint help mentions that =

 <Bill Jemison has produced some interesting music
 <with this feature. Bill, if by chance you are lurking
 <around, could you elaborate on this ?

 <Thanks & regards,
 <Miguel

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From: "Jon Meadows" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Metaverse Portal
Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:35:05 -0600

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For the last year we've been in the process of creating a 3-D site.  The
site is more than just another 3-D site because it is also multiuser
enabled.  What this means is that you will be able to see the other people's
avatar walking around taking a look or interacting with the virtual
environment. You can chat as well.  Later on you will be able to do things
like exchange files or bring in or leave objects for other people to pick up
or see.

The server and client software used to accomplish this is open source.  We
want to facilitate the building of the metaverse (not just Metaverse
Portal).

You might be wondering why I'm posting this to the Fractint list server.
Well the short answer is that I was exposed to Fractint and the Stone Soup
Group before the creation of the Web.  The Fractint community helped me get
my first publishing deal and my first Pentium computer ($4500 P90 :-).  It
has helped shape my way of thinking and developing software and business
models.  I understand the power of open source and community efforts.
That's why the Fractint community is the first thing that comes to my mind
in regards to what e-commerce things my company should implement first.

Being a graphics, music, and virtual reality artist, I truly respect and
want to help other artists and content developers.  So here goes some
details:

1) the site uses VRML and Java - any VRML browser will work
2) the first component of the site that we will make available to the public
is a space with fractal art galleries.
3) there is currently a large building for the fractal gallery, a building
for a mandelbrot showcase, and a building for a feature artist
4) I would like to stock the fractal gallery with artwork from the previous
fractal contests
5) we are going to provide limited server access so that authorized artists
can upload their latest work and have it automatically updated it within the
virtual reality space(s).
6) we will provide forums and space for downloads (EXEs, DOCs, ect) for the
related VR space(s)
7) we are implementing e-commerce for the sales of posters (and other things
later)
8) we will handle all printing and shipping of artwork
9) we will pay a higher than normal royalty rate
10) we will display artwork that the fractal community wants displayed - not
simply what we decide here at Beyond VR
11) we are going to primarily sell photographic prints over the web - the
prints that have the most sales will go into mass production
12) thanks to ParallelGraphics, we will be able to stream in RealAudio and
RealVideo into the VR space(s)

NO I'M NOT STUPID.... WE WILL GET THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION BEFORE WE MAKE
ANY PRINT AVAILABLE FOR SALE

Prints that go into mass production will be sold through traditional
distributor channels (malls, franchises, headshops, ect).  What will be
different however, is in the fact that we plan on running the smallest mass
production runs possible (3000 - 5000).  Once a design is gone we do not
plan on continuing to offer it except as the high-quality photographic
prints.  This is to help drive collector interest.

The fractal space is just the tip of what we plan on offering at Metaverse
Portal. But it's the first thing we are doing.  If any of you want to check
it out before it's available to the general public,  here is a back door
www.metaverse-portal.com/fractal  The bare bones are there, so you can get a
feel for what I'm talking about.  ALL feedback is extremly welcome (and
encouraged ;-) ..... yes it will be spiffed up considerably... we're
focusing on functionality right now

If you don't have a VRML browser download one here
http://www.parallelgraphics.com   If you already have one, it will work.
CosmoPlayer is beautiful and what the site was designed to work best with
but unfortunately CosmoSoftware is no longer in existence (NO TECH SUPPORT).
We recommend you download Cortona from ParallelGraphics (it has surpassed
CosmoPlayer's abilities anyway).  They are working with us to get a few
remaining bugs out so that we can implement the multiuser features (the bugs
are only in relation to that - not any problems with Cortona displaying
stuff).  When those bugs are taking care of we will turn on the multiuser
capability of the site.  Everything will be optimised for their browser in
the VERY near term so I highly recommend using it.  It will also allow you
to do some interesting things that will be announced soon.

Jon Meadows
Beyond VR
[e-mail]

ps - here's a little story:
once upon a time there was this guy with a 25MHZto SX 486.  He learned about
fractals and thought "these.....are.....cool".  Being a photographer and
computer graphics fanatic, he thought "hmmm...these would make excellent
posters or postcards".  So that 25MHZ-SX chugged for two weeks to generate
the 4096x4096 res newton.  "Beware of the 2 year old boy", he warned the
25MHZ-SX with no keybord lock ,"a keyborad lock won't help you...he keeps
finding the hammer after I hide it"   Two spankings later, the computer had
made all the peices necessary.  Swap file??  Well, we'll just unload
Windows3.1.  That'll leave enough space.   Stitch, stitch, stitch says
PicLab.

It sold 40,000 copies and was on the market for 4 years....
THANKS STONE SOUP GROUPERS  8)







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<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
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later)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT =
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT =
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community wants=20
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VR</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT =
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face=3DArial size=3D2>11) we are going to primarily sell photographic =
prints over=20
the web - the prints that have the most sales will go into mass=20
production</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT =
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face=3DArial size=3D2>12) thanks to ParallelGraphics, we will be able to =
stream in=20
RealAudio and RealVideo into the VR space(s)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>NO I'M=20
NOT STUPID.... WE WILL GET THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION BEFORE WE MAKE ANY =
PRINT=20
AVAILABLE FOR SALE</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Prints=20
that go into mass production will be sold through traditional =
distributor=20
channels (malls, franchises, headshops, ect).  What will be =
different=20
however, is in the fact that we plan on running the smallest mass =
production=20
runs possible (3000 - 5000).  Once a design is gone we do not plan =
on=20
continuing to offer it except as the high-quality photographic =
prints. =20
This is to help drive collector interest.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The=20
fractal space is just the tip of what we plan on offering at Metaverse =
Portal.=20
But it's the first thing we are doing.  If any of you want to check =
it out=20
before it's available to the general public,  here is a back door =
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.metaverse-portal.com/fractal">www.metaverse-portal.com=
/fractal</A> =20
The bare bones are there, so you can get a feel for what I'm talking=20
about.  ALL feedback is extremly welcome (and encouraged ;-) ..... =
yes it=20
will be spiffed up considerably... we're focusing on functionality right =

now</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>If you=20
don't have a VRML browser download one here <A=20
href=3D"http://www.parallelgraphics.com">http://www.parallelgraphics.com<=
/A>  =20
If you already have one, it will work.  CosmoPlayer is beautiful =
and what=20
the site was designed to work best with but unfortunately CosmoSoftware =
is no=20
longer in existence (NO TECH SUPPORT).  We recommend you download =
Cortona=20
from ParallelGraphics (it has surpassed CosmoPlayer's abilities =
anyway). =20
They are working with us to get a few remaining bugs out so that we can=20
implement the multiuser features (the bugs are only in relation to that =
- not=20
any problems with Cortona displaying stuff).  When those bugs are =
taking=20
care of we will turn on the multiuser capability of the site.  =
Everything=20
will be optimised for their browser in the VERY near term so I highly =
recommend=20
using it.  It will also allow you to do some interesting things =
that will=20
be announced soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jon Meadows</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Beyond VR</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A></FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>ps -=20
here's a little story:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>once=20
upon a time there was this guy with a 25MHZto SX 486.  He learned =
about=20
fractals and thought "these.....are.....cool".  Being a=20
photographer and computer graphics fanatic, he thought =
"hmmm...these would=20
make excellent posters or postcards".  So that 25MHZ-SX =
chugged for=20
two weeks to generate the 4096x4096 res newton.  "Beware of =
the 2 year=20
old boy", he warned the 25MHZ-SX with no keybord lock ,"a =
keyborad=20
lock won't help you...he keeps finding the hammer after I hide=20
it"   Two spankings later, the computer had made all the =
peices=20
necessary.  Swap file??  Well, we'll just unload =
Windows3.1. =20
That'll leave enough space.   Stitch, stitch, stitch says=20
PicLab.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D410021117-03111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>It=20
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From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal exhibition
Date: 03 Nov 1999 23:11:46 +0100

Miguel,

>>>> I am having my first fractal exhibition in The Netherlands on
>>>> November 5th to 7th. Details can be found on
>>>> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jaccobu/kodp/index.htm
>
>The only thing I could figure out is "fractals in a
>tropical environment", which sounds, er, cool !!!

Well, 'hot' will be more likely. It is located in a 12 meter (40 ft)
high glasshouse in which tropical plants are grown, including
palmtrees of over 10 meter high. While temperatures outside might drop
to 10 Celsius or even lower this weekend, temperatures inside might
get close to 30 Celsius...

>What kind of media are you working on ?

Color Laserprints on 180 gr/m2 paper of 27x36 cm, in aluminium frame
of 40x50 cm.

>Anyway, good luck !

Thanks, Miguel!

Bill,

>Congratulations and good luck with the exhibit.  I have always
>enjoyed your pictures.
>Bill
> http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm

Thanks!!

Cheers,
Jacco
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From:   "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Musical thumbnails
Date: 04 Nov 1999 09:46:11 -0300

Bill Jemison wrote :

>>>I also had to change the time value to a midi recognizable form, as
>>>well as add in some non-fractint supplied info that is needed by
>>>the key to this whole process...a neat freeware program called
>>>MF2T.EXE. This does the converting of .txt files to .mid files, and
>>>visa-versa. I took an existing midi file, ran it through MF2T and
>>>learned what it was looking for in the txt file...added that info
>>>to my txt files, and ran the companion T2MF and got a usable .mid
>>>file, which could then be manipulated with standard midi programs.

Many thanks for your "tutorial" ;-), I will try to get this
program and give it a try.

Anyway, based on what's been said on this topic, I think I'll
use the MP3 format for the "thumbnails". And if anybody wants
to listen to the full "song", simply download the PAR and use
Fractint as "PAR player".

See ya !
Miguel

P.S.: Here's a cookie for your ears :

Camelesque         { ; Reminds me of Camel in the 70s
                     ; by Miguel Fliguer - 1999
                     ; [e-mail]
  reset=2000 type=kamtorus center-mag=14.232/11.6834/0.06666667
  params=2/0.1/1024/7 float=y hertz=220 sound=x/fm/quant wavetype=4
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From: Theo Bakker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Handleiding FractInt
Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:29:01 +0100

Hier nogmaals een mailtje uit Lisse.
In het kader van m'n "afstuderen" (wiskunde 1e grd) heb ik een
nederlandstalige handleiding geschreven bij Fractint (19.6).
Het is in word-formaat, 42 pagina's, met 2 appendices in de vorm van
Maple worksheets (.mws).
Wil je 'm hebben, stuur dan even een mailtje naar me toe.

Groetjes,

Theo.
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0252-413775

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From: "Alejandro Gustavo Kainer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Handleiding FractInt
Date: 03 Nov 1999 04:37:00 -0300

Dear Theo,

I missed the meaning of "afstuderen"... but the rest I think I got it... :))

@le


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Theo Bakker <[e-mail]>
Para: Fractint <[e-mail]>
Fecha: Jueves 4 de Noviembre de 1999 17:33
Asunto: (fractint) Handleiding FractInt


Hier nogmaals een mailtje uit Lisse.
In het kader van m'n "afstuderen" (wiskunde 1e grd) heb ik een
nederlandstalige handleiding geschreven bij Fractint (19.6).
Het is in word-formaat, 42 pagina's, met 2 appendices in de vorm van
Maple worksheets (.mws).
Wil je 'm hebben, stuur dan even een mailtje naar me toe.

Groetjes,

Theo.
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H. Roland Holstlaan 29          UIN 8400214 (ICQ)
2162 JE Lisse
0252-413775

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From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest 99 : my entries and votes
Date: 05 Nov 1999 00:10:15 +0100

I have made a web page with my 3 entries and my personal votes compared with
the final results. There are thumbnails of every images. Links are
restricted to my entries but each thumbnails will be linked to the
corresponding pages when the contest site is updated.
This page must be considered as a draft. That is why it has no link to my
other pages at the moment. The names of many artists lack, the HTML syntax
has not been carefully checked.
Owing to the number of thumbnails the page might take a long time to be
downloaded. Perhaps it is necessary to break it into several smaller pages.

Feedback is welcome. Thanks.

http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/contest99.html

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From: "Alejandro Gustavo Kainer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest 99 : my entries and votes
Date: 03 Nov 1999 05:30:41 -0300

Well, if the page takes its time to download, I didn't notice it. BUT I took
the time, anyway. I'm running a (poor me) 486 DX4, 100 MHz, and a 56K modem
that at this time is running at the terrible speed of 45333 bps (fasten your
belts, please). It took almost 5 minutes to download the page in my browser,
but the view is magnificent. I couldn't manage (or even afford) to download
the entire contest, so I missed this voting (maybe next one I'll be better
equipped), so I took a look at Damien's site just to see what it looked
like, and the images delighted me. And now you're presenting them in a way I
liked a lot together with your own judgement, so I can see both of them. All
I can say is "simply marvelous", and I'm still amazed at all the inventive
and imagination that people have.

To the list: bookmark this page. It's worth it.

@le

PS: Jupiter and Io gave me the chills... It was like Samuel was there! And I
kept remembering 2001, a space odyssey...

-----Mensaje original-----
De: J.P. Louvet <[e-mail]>
Para: Fractint list <[e-mail]>;
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Fecha: Jueves 4 de Noviembre de 1999 20:11
Asunto: (fractint) Contest 99 : my entries and votes


I have made a web page with my 3 entries and my personal votes compared with
the final results. There are thumbnails of every images. Links are
restricted to my entries but each thumbnails will be linked to the
corresponding pages when the contest site is updated.
This page must be considered as a draft. That is why it has no link to my
other pages at the moment. The names of many artists lack, the HTML syntax
has not been carefully checked.
Owing to the number of thumbnails the page might take a long time to be
downloaded. Perhaps it is necessary to break it into several smaller pages.

Feedback is welcome. Thanks.

http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/contest99.html

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 99 : my entries and votes
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:22:35 -0800

JP....

Very well laid out page.  I looked at it here in California at 4:20PM my time and had
no problems with downloading on my 56.6 connection.  I often have trouble with
european servers but yours seems to do great and everything came in very quickly.

I very much enjoyed how you compared your votes with the winners.  I've been wanting
to see all of the winning entries in one place.

angela aka wizzle

"J.P. Louvet" wrote:
>
> I have made a web page with my 3 entries and my personal votes compared with
> the final results. There are thumbnails of every images. Links are
> restricted to my entries but each thumbnails will be linked to the
> corresponding pages when the contest site is updated.
> This page must be considered as a draft. That is why it has no link to my
> other pages at the moment. The names of many artists lack, the HTML syntax
> has not been carefully checked.
> Owing to the number of thumbnails the page might take a long time to be
> downloaded. Perhaps it is necessary to break it into several smaller pages.
>
> Feedback is welcome. Thanks.
>
> http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/contest99.html
>
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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint Updates
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:25:12 -0800

I've updated my web page with fractint images that previously I'd not posted or
shared on the list.  They are available at

http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/favorites/more/more_favs.html

The large versions are fractint gifs with all the info in tact for further
exploration.

Happy fractaling

angela aka wizzle

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Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint Updates
Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:40:18 EST

  Most beautiful. Bravo!!

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Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 99 : my entries and votes
Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:55:42 GMT

On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:22:35 -0800, "Angela Wilczynski"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I very much enjoyed how you compared your votes with the winners.  I've =
been wanting
>to see all of the winning entries in one place. =20
>
>angela aka wizzle
>
O.K. I cheated in that regard. I went back to the voting page and
filled in the winning entries so I could see them all in the same
place. Now if I could just find my cheat sheet on what I voted for. I
think after all the time I spent on choosing, I may find it easy to
recreate them.

juice --have fun --harm none

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From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Handleiding FractInt
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:33:42 +0100

'Afstuderen'  means to graduate.
Here is a full translation (sort of...)  :

>>>Here is another email from Lisse. I wrote a Dutch manual for
Fractint (19.6) as part of my graduation (Mathematics MSc). It is a
Word-file, 42 pages, with 2 appendices containing 2 Maple worksheets
(.wms). Send me an email if you would like to have it.

Greetings
Theo.

Theo Bakker                     [e-mail]
H. Roland Holstlaan 29          UIN 8400214 (ICQ)
2162 JE Lisse
0252-413775  <<<

Cheers,
Jacco
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http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm
Jacco's Fractal Kitchen:
http://www2.crosswinds.net/~jacco
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Alejandro Gustavo Kainer <[e-mail]>
Aan: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Datum: vrijdag 5 november 1999 0:09
Onderwerp: RE: (fractint) Handleiding FractInt


>Dear Theo,
>
>I missed the meaning of "afstuderen"... but the rest I think I got
it... :))
>
>@le
>
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: Theo Bakker <[e-mail]>
>Para: Fractint <[e-mail]>
>Fecha: Jueves 4 de Noviembre de 1999 17:33
>Asunto: (fractint) Handleiding FractInt
>
>
>Hier nogmaals een mailtje uit Lisse.

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From: "Bruce Nepple" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) AWE64 Sound Problem
Date: 04 Nov 1999 19:38:16 -0800



I assume I'm overlooking something obvious, but I just cannot get sound to
work on my AWE64 at home.  I tried loading the blaster dos drivers in
config.sys, double checked all the blaster settings (d1 H5 A220, etc) and
they agree with what the win95 system stuff says.  I have not found any
settings within fractint other than the ctrl-f f6 f7 stuff.  My DOS games
work fine, but they have settings within the game.  Any ideas?

Bruce


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Best fractal program for various things
Date: 02 Nov 1999 21:12:04 -0500

Michael,

A belated reply as I'm trying to get net access from my new home in Orlando...

 - Thanks an awfull lot for this great and inspiring work you did with this
 - contest /these contests by now.

Well it has been a lot of work, certainly... and definitely a lot learned.
But what made it great was the variety of submissions and the number of
other people who volunteered their time and effort to make the contest
work. Not everything went smoothly, but hopefully it's been a net plus for
the fractal community.

 - Is there any simple listing which fractal program is best suited for
 - what? I only use fractint and haven't discovered half of it, I guess
 - (RTFM, I know).

No, there really isn't such a listing, because sometimes it just boils down
to a matter of preference. The following should be taking as an exhaustive
list of plusses and minuses. :-)

FractInt's strengths are its versatility ("escape-time" fractals, IFSs,
L-systems, strange attractors, 3D transformations, even cellular automota),
its extensive user-written formula collection (OrgFrm), its comprehensive
online help, its price (free), and that the source code is available. Its
limitations are no real true color support and its DOS interface, two
things that are being worked on. It is faster than many programs, too.

Tiera-Zon, Flarium, GrafZViZion, SterlingWare, etc. (maybe we should just
call them the Ferguson programs) are also free, with source code available.
Their strengths are true-color support, a wide array of coloring options,
and in some of the programs, images that are almost impossible to produce
with other software. Almost all of the programs run in Windows. Their
weaknesses are little documentation and tricky color control.

Ultra Fractal's strengths are its true-color support, its ability to read
many FractInt PAR files and most formula files, its large collection of its
own formulas, the ability to do layering, its speed (faster than most
everything else), and its organized Windows interface. Its major drawbacks
are that the source code to the main program is not available (although the
code for all the fractal formulas *is*) and that it is not free (it is a
$35 Shareware product).

Fractal eXtreme's strengths are its speed (fastest fractal generator
around), its Windows interface, and its plug-in architecture that allows
additional fast fractal code to be added by any programmer. Its weaknesses
are that its source code is not available, that it is not free (it is a $35
Shareware product), and that it is limited to 256-color images.

Terry Gintz's software bears mentioning as well. Dofo-Zon uses a plug-in
architecture that shares many common modules with Steve Ferguson's
programs. It reads FractInt PARs and FRMs, and has extensive support for
hypercomplex and quaternion fractal types, which are often neglected in
other programs. It is free.

FraxFlame, FraxPlorer, and Frax4D (I think I got those right) are part of
Kai's Power Tools 5, a set of plug-ins for Adobe Photoshop. These are
true-color modules that produce some very unique images. They only work as
plug-ins, though, which means you need a graphics package capable of using
them. (Photoshop, Painter, Picture Publisher, Paint Shop Pro, and
Photo-Paint can all do this.) None of those are free, however, and KPT5
itself lists for $199. FraxFlame is based on the flame fractals of Scott
Draves, and a free Windows version has been done by Michael Sargent.

There are probably others I missed, but these are the main ones. :-)

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal exhibition
Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:15:38 EST

In a message dated 99-10-29 01:23:00 EDT, you write:

<< I am having my first fractal exhibition in The Netherlands on November
 5th
 to 7th >>

Congratulations!  I hope the hothouse exhibition of your fractal artwork is a
great success and draws a lot of curious viewers to see your works.  Best of
luck!

p.s. What a great web site!  My tired eyes are very grateful for the clean,
easy to see-and-follow webwork, thank you:)

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From: "Anthony (Tony) Hanmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Stuck on expanded-size disk-video modes
Date: 06 Nov 1999 21:42:47 +0400

Greetings,
Fractint even has fanatics in Azerbaijan!
Congratulations and many thanks to those who worked on the latest version,
with its improvements.  Wild.
I'm trying to play with some huge-size disk-video modes, by altering
un-needed settings in fractint.cfg.  The very first time I tried this and
then attempted to render a large-order dragon curve at 32,000 x 24,000, it
seemed to have worked, according to the box which informed me the image was
being rendered.  Every subsequent time, however, right after the message
about clearing the "space", it hung up and I needed to re-start my machine.
I usually use SF7, if that's any help.  Below are the changed settings from
my .cfg.  (I also defragged my hard drive, and there's at least 150 MB
free.)
Any suggestions please?
AF4 ,Disk/RAM 'Video'           ,   3,   0,   0,   0,  11,16000,12000,2,For
Background Fractals
AF5 ,Disk/RAM 'Video'           ,   3,   0,   0,   0,  11,20000,15000,2,For
Background Fractals
AF6 ,Disk/RAM 'Video'           ,   3,   0,   0,   0,  11,28000,21000,2,For
Background Fractals
Many thanks,

Tony Hanmer
Baku



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Subject: (fractint) using fractint & music pars
Date: 07 Nov 1999 02:56:32 -0500

I have a 200mhz Penium with 64megs of Ram running Windows95 (first
release).  I can run Fractint 20 if I boot to DOS.  Otherwise, under
Windows all I get when I attempt to color-cycle is a chaotic jumble of
horizontal bands.
    But when I run Fractint from DOS the music pars do not work.
When I run Fractint from Windows the music pars work fine but the images
don't.
    I would really like to be able to run Fractint, both images and
music, from either DOS or Windows together.
    I have a Creative SoundBlaster card and when I type "set" at the DOS
prompt (under Windows) I get:
BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 E620
    When I start up the machine in DOS and type "set" I get:  BLASTER=T6
E620
    I have put all the SoundBlaster settings in my Autoexec.bat but they
are truncated to T6 E620 when I boot to DOS.
    I am at a loss as to what to do.  Has anyone else encountered this
problem?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Bill


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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) A variant of ptc4m01 (par)
Date: 07 Nov 1999 08:37:10 -0500

The below par is a result of a brief exploration of ptc4m01, (c) Sylvie
Gallet. The result was a change in one of my color maps to obtain a new one.

Hope this posts ok to the list.

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ds120              { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Nov 07, 1999 t=  0:00:38.06
                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768
                     ; A variant of ptc4m01 by S. Gallet
                     ; color map: exp02
  reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=fract196.frm
  formulaname=ptc+4mandels passes=1
  center-mag=-0.488759/-0.00391134/0.7183908 params=2/0/1.525/0/-2.5/0
  float=y maxiter=255 inside=0 decomp=256 symmetry=none periodicity=0
  cyclerange=0/255
  colors=qooqootsswww<9>aPR_MNXIK<3>O46hNW<19>tgqthruisujtvkuwmw<15>jQViOT\
  hNR<3>dGJU0H<8>k_emchogk<3>www<9>eNZcJXaFU<3>U0KA0K<8>c_ffciigl<3>www<9>\
  TNZQJXNFU<3>A0K005<24>mmnoopqqr<3>zzz<9>OORKKOGGK<3>005<35>nnooopqqq<3>w\
  ww<11>YOOWLLTII<3>K65<3>O56O46Q89<9>okk
  }


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From: "Anthony (Tony) Hanmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Still stuck on expanded-size disk-video modes
Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:02:35 +0400

(Replying to Bill Jeminson on my problem with Lsystems and large size
renders -)
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the answer.  I have tried the following:
Moving Fractint to my much larger D drive and defragging it right before I
start.
Experimenting with some larger disk-video modes to render the default
Mandelbrot - just fine at 2.8 x 2.1k and 4 x 3k in 256 colours, confirmed in
Photoshop.
Trying another Lsystem, Hilbert, as well as the rounded Dragon Curve, in the
smaller of these modes - the display window still freezes right after
clearing the 'screen' - which suggests it's an Lsystem problem.
Have you tried your 12 x 16k rendering with lsystems?
Any help you (or anyone) could give would be much appreciated...!

Tony



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From: Bill Jemison <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Still stuck on expanded-size disk-video modes
Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:23:14 -0500

I only tried the xtralarge disk video on the basic mandelbrot, and at a
very low maxiter, and this was very late in the development stage for v20=
.
We found a bug involving corrupted saves in XLdiskvideo and fixed it, and=
 I
was doing a quick and dirty test to show that it (XL diskvideo saves) was=

giving readable files. Naturally, when you are testing these huge images,=

you become limited in how many can generate. I have to keep reminding
myself that a 16000 x 12000 image is the equivalent of 100 fullscreen
1600x1200 fractals, and their associated generation time <g>.

Bill

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From: Bill Jemison <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) using fractint & music pars
Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:23:12 -0500

Bill,

Do a search on your computer for Sbeset.txt . I don't have a true Sound
Blaster card (SB Live! emulates SB <g>), but it looks to me as if the
instructions are sort of generic.

It gives instructions on how to use Sbeset.exe from the command line, and=

describes the parameters.

I'm just guessing that you might find something similar.

Bill

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From: BILL RAY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) using fractint & music pars
Date: 07 Nov 1999 15:35:17 -0500

Bill,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my call for help.  I have searched
and there is no Sbeset.txt file on my system.  I am going to contact Creative
Tech Support and maybe they can help.  I'll keep you posted as any solution
might be of use to others.  Thanks again.  Bill

Bill Jemison wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Do a search on your computer for Sbeset.txt . I don't have a true Sound
> Blaster card (SB Live! emulates SB <g>), but it looks to me as if the
> instructions are sort of generic.
>
> It gives instructions on how to use Sbeset.exe from the command line, and
> describes the parameters.
>
> I'm just guessing that you might find something similar.
>
> Bill
>
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From: "Lightning Man" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) AMD
Date: 07 Nov 1999 16:14:54 -0500

Hello, i was wondering if anyone has had any problems with AMD proccesers
and zooming. After about 9 or so full zooms(the smallest box) the fractal
stops being complex, and starts to totaly flatten out.  Is there any way
around this?




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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) AMD
Date: 07 Nov 1999 13:29:49 -1000

Mine (AMD K6-2/350MHz) works - just zoomed into the
basic Mandelbrot twelve full zoomes. I noticed that
after zoom 9, generation suddenly slowed way down; I
think that's when it made a transition from the AMD's
blazingly fast integer math to it's much slower floating
point math.

What do you mean by "stops being complex ... totally
flatten out"?

On  7 Nov 99 at 16:14, Lightning Man wrote:

> Hello, i was wondering if anyone has had any problems
> with AMD proccesers and zooming. After about 9 or so
> full zooms(the smallest box) the fractal stops being
> complex, and starts to totaly flatten out.  Is there any
> way around this?

Another blast of bits from David
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast:
    http://www.surfreporthawaii.com

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
What a mistaken view you get when you see only the facts! (D.Jones)



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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: AMD
Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:56:55 -0500 (EST)

At 04:14 PM 11/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello, i was wondering if anyone has had any problems with AMD proccesers
>and zooming. After about 9 or so full zooms(the smallest box) the fractal
>stops being complex, and starts to totaly flatten out.  Is there any way
>around this?

If the logmap is set to 1 on the problem images, try setting it to 2 or 0.

Jim M.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) using sound pars
Date: 08 Nov 1999 0:52 0000

Hi Bill,

>    When I start up the machine in DOS and type "set" I get:
>BLASTER=T6
>E620

In that case just try typing:

SET BLASTER=A220

at the dos prompt (the rest of the soundblaster setup params aren't
needed )
Then run fractint, if this works then you could try making a batch file
to run fractint or double check your autoexec.bat file, there may be
an invisible control character in the blaster= line which is confusing
things, try deleting the line and retyping it, make sure you use a
simple editor like dos edit or notebook, not wordpad etc.

Hope this helps,
                       Robin.


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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: AMD Processor
Date: 07 Nov 1999 22:20:30 -0500

Have you tried increasing the maximum iteration number?

Just a suggestion,
Collin Merenoff

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From: "Lightning Man" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) AMD
Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:04:48 -0500

sorry, i'm terrible at descibing things like this.  here is a screen shot:
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/3550/fract008.gif

i never had troubles like this on my 486sx 25mhz, so that why i wondered it
it was the AMD
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 6:29 PM


> Mine (AMD K6-2/350MHz) works - just zoomed into the
> basic Mandelbrot twelve full zoomes. I noticed that
> after zoom 9, generation suddenly slowed way down; I
> think that's when it made a transition from the AMD's
> blazingly fast integer math to it's much slower floating
> point math.
>
> What do you mean by "stops being complex ... totally
> flatten out"?
>
> On  7 Nov 99 at 16:14, Lightning Man wrote:
>
> > Hello, i was wondering if anyone has had any problems
> > with AMD proccesers and zooming. After about 9 or so
> > full zooms(the smallest box) the fractal stops being
> > complex, and starts to totaly flatten out.  Is there any
> > way around this?
>
> Another blast of bits from David
> http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast:
>     http://www.surfreporthawaii.com
>
> Random Thought for this Nanosecond
> What a mistaken view you get when you see only the facts! (D.Jones)
>
>
>
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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) AMD
Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:28:17 -0500 (EST)

At 01:04 AM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>sorry, i'm terrible at descibing things like this.  here is a screen shot:
>http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/3550/fract008.gif
>
>i never had troubles like this on my 486sx 25mhz, so that why i wondered it
>it was the AMD

I checked the screen shot.  The problem is definitely too low a maxiter.
The maxiter of the image you posted is 150.  Raise the maxiter to 1500 or so
and the rest of the image will appear.

Jim M.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) AMD
Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:28:38 EST

I would just try increasing the number of iterations.  I think that the new
version (20) has a lower default, and that may explain why it never happened
with your older processor.

> sorry, i'm terrible at descibing things like this.  here is a screen shot:
>  http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/3550/fract008.gif
>
>  i never had troubles like this on my 486sx 25mhz, so that why i wondered it
>  it was the AMD
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: David Jones <[e-mail]>
>  To: <[e-mail]>
>  Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 6:29 PM
>  Subject: Re: (fractint) AMD
>
>
>  > Mine (AMD K6-2/350MHz) works - just zoomed into the
>  > basic Mandelbrot twelve full zoomes. I noticed that
>  > after zoom 9, generation suddenly slowed way down; I
>  > think that's when it made a transition from the AMD's
>  > blazingly fast integer math to it's much slower floating
>  > point math.
>  >
>  > What do you mean by "stops being complex ... totally
>  > flatten out"?
>  >
>  > On  7 Nov 99 at 16:14, Lightning Man wrote:
>  >
>  > > Hello, i was wondering if anyone has had any problems
>  > > with AMD proccesers and zooming. After about 9 or so
>  > > full zooms(the smallest box) the fractal stops being
>  > > complex, and starts to totaly flatten out.  Is there any
>  > > way around this?
>  >
>  > Another blast of bits from David
>  > http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
>  > For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast:
>  >     http://www.surfreporthawaii.com
>  >
>  > Random Thought for this Nanosecond
>  > What a mistaken view you get when you see only the facts! (D.Jones)
>  >
>  >
>  >
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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) web site update
Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:04:58 -0500

After several months of absence from the world of fractals I have
returned, and to prove it I set up five new galleries on my web site,
three of them devoted to experimentation with the spiral form and
colors.

As usual, my parameter files are available for download. So is an
updated gfp.ufm formula file, which contains several new formulas.

Your comments are appreciated.

Gedeon
--
Fractals: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/fractals.html
Member Infinite Fractal Loop
Last updated: November 3, 1999 - Five new pages
Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/photos.html
Last updated: July 15, 1999 -- Four new pages




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From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Updated Gallery
Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:53:01 -0800 (PST)


Hi all,

Well, I've been working on updated my online gallery for a couple weeks
now.  Finally, got the images in place.  No fancy HTML yet, just don't
want to take the time to figure that out.

Anyway, Gallery 1 is the same that was there before, but thumbnails
only.  Galleries 2, 3, and 4 are selected images from July/August,
September, and October.  I'll add a page for Contest Entries later.

Comments are welcome, though I fear my images pale in comparison to the
awesome images from Mark, Paul, and Gedeon on their recently updated
galleries.

Enjoy.


Ken...




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From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Gallery Address
Date: 08 Nov 1999 15:05:59 -0800 (PST)


Hi,

Gee, I suppose if I want people to look at my gallery, I'd better give
the address.

http://www.best.com/~icent/fractals


Ken...
<hiding from embarassment>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery Address
Date: 08 Nov 1999 20:41:30 EST

Ken,

Glad you gave out the address.  Very nice work!

Bill
http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm

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From: "Lightning Man" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: AMD Processor
Date: 08 Nov 1999 20:47:17 -0500

doh, now i feel really dumb, that did it.  thanks.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 10:20 PM


Have you tried increasing the maximum iteration number?

Just a suggestion,
Collin Merenoff

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From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery Address
Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:41:35 -0800 (PST)


Bill,

> Glad you gave out the address.  Very nice work!

Thank you.  I'm glad you enjoyed the visit.


Ken...



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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery Address
Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:55:21 -0800

Great page, Ken!  I particularly like KCC99100508.jpg.  And the colors
in KCC99100401 are yummy!

And of course, you already know how much I like your blue and gold
images.

Thanks, Ken, for the gift of viewing your images!
Linda A




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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Need Opinions
Date: 09 Nov 1999 19:29:38 -0800

I was playing with Gedeon's formulas today at work...(at lunch...at lunch!!...sure
sure)....boy are they great!!!!!! I got at least 3 winners for my springtime gallery
(which I won't share just cause this poor list is going into overload and I feel
sorry for Jan)....

However....I can't make up my mind about the following image.  Do you like it better
with or without the top mask layer????  I learned how to do the shape masking from
Ralph....thanks again, Ralph.  I was very puzzled about how to mask out areas until I
saw your wood thing.....man that is one great image.  Anyhoo......

painted_heart {
fractal:
  title="painted_heart" width=360 height=360 numlayers=4
layer:
  caption="mask" opacity=100 visible=yes alpha=no mergemode=multiply
mapping:
  center=-0.0306217583997943968/0.4024573961115835
  magn=0.846650462962962963 angle=0
formula:
  filename="gfp.ufm" entry="gfpcau02" maxiter=100 percheck=normal p_p1=1/0
  p_p2=1/0 p_bailout=4 f_fn1=ident f_fn2=ident f_fn3=ident
inside:
  transfer=none repeat=yes
outside:
  filename="Standard.ucl" entry="Default" density=0.25 transfer=exp
  repeat=yes
gradient:
  smooth=yes position=-176 numnodes=6 index=0 color=0 index=1
  color=16777215 index=105 color=16777215 index=220 color=16777205
  index=223 color=0 index=320 color=0
layer:
  caption="New Layer 2" opacity=100 visible=yes alpha=no
  mergemode=saturation
mapping:
  center=-0.0306217583997943968/0.4024573961115835
  magn=0.846650462962962963 angle=0
formula:
  filename="gfp.ufm" entry="gfpcau02" maxiter=100 percheck=normal p_p1=1/0
  p_p2=1/0 p_bailout=4 f_fn1=ident f_fn2=ident f_fn3=ident
inside:
  transfer=none repeat=yes
outside:
  filename="mt.ucl" entry="mt-gnarly-traps" density=0.1 transfer=exp
  repeat=yes p_formula="Popcorn" p_trap_mode="Final" p_frm_mode="Magnitude"
  p_coloring="Distance" p_offset=0/0 p_scale=0.5 p_a=3 p_b=2 p_h=0.05
  p_flavor=2 p_max_iter=10 p_m=3.14159 p_m_iterations=10 p_mscale=0.1
  f_fn1=ident f_fn2=ident f_gn1=sin f_gn2=tan f_gn3=cos
gradient:
  smooth=no position=-140 numnodes=17 index=5 color=6306432 index=31
  color=12247295 index=53 color=5585504 index=76 color=16777215 index=94
  color=7704737 index=103 color=5253160 index=128 color=16767685 index=150
  color=5918800 index=176 color=12255231 index=201 color=5263445 index=228
  color=14352314 index=258 color=5843041 index=284 color=16767743 index=303
  color=6634058 index=332 color=16766309 index=362 color=6961781 index=382
  color=12961274
layer:
  caption="New Layer 1" opacity=100 visible=yes alpha=no mergemode=red
mapping:
  center=-0.0306217583997943968/0.4024573961115835
  magn=0.846650462962962963 angle=0
formula:
  filename="gfp.ufm" entry="gfpcau02" maxiter=100 percheck=normal p_p1=1/0
  p_p2=1/0 p_bailout=4 f_fn1=ident f_fn2=ident f_fn3=ident
inside:
  transfer=none repeat=yes
outside:
  filename="mt.ucl" entry="mt-epsilon-cross" density=0.1 transfer=exp
  repeat=yes p_color="Iteration" p_ofst="None" p_w=0.1 p_start=0/0
  p_inc=0.01/0.01 p_first=yes p_r=0
gradient:
  smooth=no position=76 numnodes=17 index=17 color=5263445 index=44
  color=14352314 index=74 color=5843041 index=100 color=16767743 index=119
  color=6634058 index=148 color=16766309 index=178 color=6961781 index=198
  color=12961274 index=221 color=6306432 index=247 color=12247295 index=269
  color=5585504 index=292 color=16777215 index=310 color=7704737 index=319
  color=5253160 index=344 color=16767685 index=366 color=5918800 index=392
  color=12255231
layer:
  caption="Layer 1" visible=yes alpha=no
mapping:
  center=-0.0306217583997943968/0.4024573961115835
  magn=0.846650462962962963 angle=0
formula:
  filename="gfp.ufm" entry="gfpcau02" maxiter=100 percheck=normal p_p1=1/0
  p_p2=1/0 p_bailout=4 f_fn1=ident f_fn2=ident f_fn3=ident
inside:
  transfer=none repeat=yes
outside:
  filename="mt.ucl" entry="mt-curves" density=0.1 transfer=exp repeat=yes
  p_curve="Cardioid" p_trap_mode="Closest" p_color_mode="Distance" p_a=1
  p_n=4 p_width=0.1 p_skip=0 p_no_of_iters=0 p_solid=yes p_randomness=0
gradient:
  smooth=no position=65 numnodes=17 index=6 color=5263445 index=33
  color=14352314 index=63 color=5843041 index=89 color=16767743 index=108
  color=6634058 index=137 color=16766309 index=167 color=6961781 index=187
  color=12961274 index=210 color=6306432 index=236 color=12247295 index=258
  color=5585504 index=281 color=16777215 index=299 color=7704737 index=308
  color=5253160 index=333 color=16767685 index=355 color=5918800 index=381
  color=12255231
}

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Need Opinions
Date: 10 Nov 1999 02:01:14 EST

In a message dated 99-11-09 22:10:03 EST, you write:

<< cause this poor list is going into overload >>
huh?  surley you mean a different list

Welcome back to active fractivity, wizzle.and congrats on your publication!

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Need Opinions
Date: 10 Nov 1999 01:05:24 -0600

Angela Wilczynski wrote:
>
> I was playing with Gedeon's formulas today at work...
> ...........(snipped)..............
> painted_heart {
> fractal:
>   title="painted_heart" width=360 height=360 numlayers=4
> layer:
>   caption="mask" opacity=100 visible=yes alpha=no mergemode=multiply
>

My opinion:  with the top mask layer.

But you may wish to post this to the UltraFractal List instead.   ;-}


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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Parser bug
Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:27:02 -0600

Folks, the following PAR exposes a bug in the Fractint's fats
parser. Try it with and without the debug=90 command line option.
(That option disables the fast assembler and causes the slower C
code to be used.)

Are there any other parser bugs anyone knows of that were
introduced in V. 20?

I know how to fix this particular problem, but I am investigating
better fixes.

Tim


snm04              { ; (c) Bud 1998 (9 Oct)
                     ; abusing the M-set with Kerry Mitchell's new formula
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=k.par
  formulaname=starnear_man passes=1 center-mag=-0.92544/0/0.56/1/-90
  params=0.1/0.9/0.7/36 float=y maxiter=100 decomp=256 periodicity=0
  colors=J5H<43>zzc<23>z00<55>20000000000K<27>EGVFHVFIVGJWGJX<2>ILYIMYJNZJ\
  N_<7>NRgORhOShPTi<5>SZlT_mU`nVanWbo<3>_fqagrbhsditfju<4>psxrtytvyvwyxyzz\
  zz<30>W2WV0VU0U<13>G0GF0FG1FH2GI3G cyclerange=0/255
  }

frm:starnear_man { ; Kerry Mitchell 09oct98
        ;
        ; Mandelbrot, colors by nearest approach to 5 point star
        ; p1 = center of star
        ; cabs(real(p2)) = star size of star (try 1)
        ; sign(real(p2)) = pixel flag:
        ;   + = don't consider pixel--start after first iteration
        ;   - = consider pixel
        ; imag(p2) = star rotation angle, degrees
        ;   only use angles from 0 to 36 degrees
        ; use decomp=256, bailout hardcoded to 10^12
        ;
        ;  initialize iteration parameters
        ;
        zc=0, c=pixel, done=0, iter=1
        bailout=1e12, fmin=bailout
        ;
        ;  star parameters
        ;
        center=p1, xcen=real(center), ycen=imag(center)
        r=cabs(real(p2)), pixelflag=0
        if(real(p2)<0)
          pixelflag=1
        endif
        phi=imag(p2)/180*pi, twopi=2*pi, temp=twopi/10
        t0=phi, t1=t0+temp
        t2=t1+temp, t3=t2+temp, t4=t3+temp, t5=t4+temp
        t6=t5+temp, t7=t6+temp, t8=t7+temp, t9=t8+temp
        ;
        ;  set up control points
        ;
        x0=r*cos(t0)+xcen, y0=r*sin(t0)+ycen
        x1=r*cos(t2)+xcen, y1=r*sin(t2)+ycen
        x2=r*cos(t4)+xcen, y2=r*sin(t4)+ycen
        x3=r*cos(t6)+xcen, y3=r*sin(t6)+ycen
        x4=r*cos(t8)+xcen, y4=r*sin(t8)+ycen
        ;
        ;  if pixel flag =/= 0, then check pixel for how close
        ;    it is to star
        ;
        if(pixelflag!=0)
          x=real(zc), y=imag(zc), t=imag(log(zc-center))
          if(t<0)
            t=t+twopi
          endif
          if((t>t0)&&(t<=t1))
            f=x*(y0-y2)+y*(x2-x0)-x2*y0+x0*y2
          elseif((t>t1)&&(t<=t2))
            f=x*(y1-y4)+y*(x4-x1)-x4*y1+x1*y4
          elseif((t>t2)&&(t<=t3))
            f=x*(y1-y3)+y*(x3-x1)-x3*y1+x1*y3
          elseif((t>t3)&&(t<=t4))
            f=x*(y2-y0)+y*(x0-x2)-x0*y2+x2*y0
          elseif((t>t4)&&(t<=t5))
            f=x*(y2-y4)+y*(x4-x2)-x4*y2+x2*y4
          elseif((t>t5)&&(t<=t6))
            f=x*(y3-y1)+y*(x1-x3)-x1*y3+x3*y1
          elseif((t>t6)&&(t<=t7))
            f=x*(y3-y0)+y*(x0-x3)-x0*y3+x3*y0
          elseif((t>t7)&&(t<=t8))
            f=x*(y4-y2)+y*(x2-x4)-x2*y4+x4*y2
          elseif((t>t8)&&(t<=t9))
            f=x*(y4-y1)+y*(x1-x4)-x1*y4+x4*y1
          else
            f=x*(y3-y0)+y*(x0-x3)-x0*y3+x3*y0
          endif
          fmin=cabs(f)
        endif
        :
        ;  standard iteration, find polar angle of iterate
        ;
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c
        x=real(zc), y=imag(zc), t=imag(log(zc-center))
        if(t<0)
          t=t+twopi
        endif
        ;
        ;  compute how close iterate is to each side of star
        ;
        if((t>t0)&&(t<=t1))
          f=x*(y0-y2)+y*(x2-x0)-x2*y0+x0*y2
        elseif((t>t1)&&(t<=t2))
          f=x*(y1-y4)+y*(x4-x1)-x4*y1+x1*y4
        elseif((t>t2)&&(t<=t3))
          f=x*(y1-y3)+y*(x3-x1)-x3*y1+x1*y3
        elseif((t>t3)&&(t<=t4))
          f=x*(y2-y0)+y*(x0-x2)-x0*y2+x2*y0
        elseif((t>t4)&&(t<=t5))
          f=x*(y2-y4)+y*(x4-x2)-x4*y2+x2*y4
        elseif((t>t5)&&(t<=t6))
          f=x*(y3-y1)+y*(x1-x3)-x1*y3+x3*y1
        elseif((t>t6)&&(t<=t7))
          f=x*(y3-y0)+y*(x0-x3)-x0*y3+x3*y0
        elseif((t>t7)&&(t<=t8))
          f=x*(y4-y2)+y*(x2-x4)-x2*y4+x4*y2
        elseif((t>t8)&&(t<=t9))
          f=x*(y4-y1)+y*(x1-x4)-x1*y4+x4*y1
        else
          f=x*(y3-y0)+y*(x0-x3)-x0*y3+x3*y0
        endif
        f=cabs(f)
        ;
        ;  update minimum distance
        ;
        if(f<fmin)
          fmin=f
          zmin=zc
        endif
        ;
        ;  upon escape or maximum iterations:
        ;    set "done" flag
        ;    use minimum distance from star as polar angle of z
        ;      for use with decomp coloring
        ;
        if((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          done=1
          t=log(fmin)
          z=cos(t)+flip(sin(t))
        endif
        done==0
        }



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From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) xfractint v3.10
Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:40:20 -0600

Is there any Linux user on this list that can offer me a *binary* of xfra=
ctint
3.10? I would also need all the ancillary files to go with it. I haven't =
been
able to get it to compile without errors on my Linux box.=20

If someone can post it to his/her website or ftp site, I'd really appreci=
ate it.
(Or, let me know of a location where it is already available...)

My system:
AMD K6-2 - Mandrake-Linux 5.3 - kernel 2.0.37
Xfree86 v 3.3.3.1 - glibc, etc. etc.

Scott Boyd
 --=20
email:  sdboyd at fastlane.net
http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/
Introducing -- Windows 2000 !!
(Don't try this at home... or at work, either.)


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From: Andrej Lajovic <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) fractint & dosemu
Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:52:15 +0100 (CET)

Hi!

I am running Linux as my primary OS quite for a while now and the only
thing I was missing was Fractint. Not xfractint, but the only true
fractint... with colors and without X windows.
Well, I was SURE all the time that Fractint doesn't run under dosemu very
well, so I was very happy when I discovered that V20.0 runs perfectly
under it (it's a rather slow, but anyway).

There is only one small problem: I can't get my sound card (Yamaha
OPL3-SA2) to work (it works if I boot DOS). Does anyone have experience
with things like that?

Best regards,
Andrej Lajovic



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From: Jay Dugger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) xFractInt Problems
Date: 11 Nov 1999 10:19:21 -0800 (PST)

Thursday, 11 November 1999

Hello all,

    xFractInt runs fine on my Linux machine until I try to choose a
video type. Then it crashes with a segmentation fault. (No, I haven't done
strace.) I use both Enlightenment and GNOME, and run xFractInt from a
terminal. Did I miss something in the docs about _not_ doing this?

---------
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From: BILL RAY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint & dosemu
Date: 11 Nov 1999 14:37:13 -0500


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The following may or may not have relevance to your problem.  Judge for
yourself.  I cannot run Fractint20 under Windows95.  But it does work fine
when I boot to DOS.  However, that still doesn't allow the sound pars to
work.  In order to get the sound pars to work I did this:
    Write a batch file to change to your Fractint directory and start
Fractint.  Include the sound settings from your Autoexec.bat (or equivalent)
in this batch file.
    Now when I invoke this batch file at the command prompt Fractint starts
and I can run both visual and sound pars smootly.
    Simply setting the sound card parameters from the DOS prompt did not
work.  Only after I created the above batch file and invoked it did
everything work the way it should.

Andrej Lajovic wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am running Linux as my primary OS quite for a while now and the only
> thing I was missing was Fractint. Not xfractint, but the only true
> fractint... with colors and without X windows.
> Well, I was SURE all the time that Fractint doesn't run under dosemu very
> well, so I was very happy when I discovered that V20.0 runs perfectly
> under it (it's a rather slow, but anyway).
>
> There is only one small problem: I can't get my sound card (Yamaha
> OPL3-SA2) to work (it works if I boot DOS). Does anyone have experience
> with things like that?
>
> Best regards,
> Andrej Lajovic
>
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The following may or may not have relevance to your problem.  Judge
for yourself.  I cannot run Fractint20 under Windows95.  But
it does work fine when I boot to DOS.  However, that still doesn't
allow the sound pars to work.  In order to get the sound pars to work
I did this:
<br>    Write a batch file to change to your Fractint directory
and start Fractint.  Include the <u>sound</u> settings from your Autoexec.bat
(or equivalent) in this batch file.
<br>    Now when I invoke this batch file at the command
prompt Fractint starts and I can run both visual and sound pars smootly.
<br>    Simply setting the sound card parameters from the
DOS prompt did not work.  Only after I created the above batch file
and invoked it did everything work the way it should.
<p>Andrej Lajovic wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi!
<p>I am running Linux as my primary OS quite for a while now and the only
<br>thing I was missing was Fractint. Not xfractint, but the only true
<br>fractint... with colors and without X windows.
<br>Well, I was SURE all the time that Fractint doesn't run under dosemu
very
<br>well, so I was very happy when I discovered that V20.0 runs perfectly
<br>under it (it's a rather slow, but anyway).
<p>There is only one small problem: I can't get my sound card (Yamaha
<br>OPL3-SA2) to work (it works if I boot DOS). Does anyone have experience
<br>with things like that?
<p>Best regards,
<br>Andrej Lajovic
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Parser bug
Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:18:32 -0500

Hi Tim,

>> Folks, the following PAR exposes a bug in the Fractint's fats  parser.=

>> Try it with and without the debug=3D90 command line option.  (That opt=
ion
>> disables the fast assembler and causes the slower C  code to be used.)=


>> Are there any other parser bugs anyone knows of that were  introduced =
in
>> V. 20?

  No, but I have the same problem with Kerry's starnear_jul formula.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Subject: RE: Re: (fractint) fractint & dosemu
Date: 12 Nov 1999 0:11 0000

>    Write a batch file to change to your Fractint directory and start
>Fractint.  Include the sound settings from your Autoexec.bat (or
>equivalent) in this batch file.

Like this:

CD \FRACTINT
SET BLASTER=A220
FRACTINT

sort ot thing :-)

It this might work with dosemu, but you may have to run it as root to
allow fractint access to the hardware.

Cheers,
        Robin.


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From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xFractInt Problems
Date: 12 Nov 1999 00:29:38 -0600

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Jay wrote:
>=20
> =09xFractInt runs fine on my Linux machine until I try to choose a
> video type. Then it crashes with a segmentation fault. (No, I haven't d=
one
> strace.) I use both Enlightenment and GNOME, and run xFractInt from a
> terminal. Did I miss something in the docs about _not_ doing this?
>=20
No, you didn't miss something in the docs about video modes in xfractint.=
=20
Xfractint doesn't have any video modes similar to the DOS-based fractint.

For more info and hints on using xfractint under Linux, please see my pag=
e at:
http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/xfractint.html . It's still based on the
slightly older version of xfractint - v3.04, since I can't get v3.10 to c=
ompile
correctly. Yes,I'm the guy that posted the message seeking a binary
(already-compiled) version of xfractint 3.10. Jay - can you help me out?

Scott Boyd

 --=20
email:  sdboyd at fastlane.net
http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/
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From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Updated site and new URL
Date: 12 Nov 1999 17:53:03 +0100

Having some problems with the fractint list, this text is sent to the list
and to Tim for control. I wonder if some of you have read this text some
days ago in this list : it did not come back to me.
---------------------------

My web site was sleeping since a long time. I have added 24 images made with
Terry W. Gintz's programs (pages 24 and 25). Moreover I have drawn again and
antialiased my Fractint images.

Please note that only my "mirror" site is updated, the main site hosted at
"graffiti" may change its address soon because the hard disk is full and the
computer is more and more used for other purposes.
Bookmark this address :
http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/
I have not carefully checked all the pages after the transfer. If you see
something wrong, let me informed.

I hope that the main site will be on an other server soon and will be
updated at that time (because www-hs has many different functions).

J.P. Louvet



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From: "Jon Meadows" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) the full votes for the 99 contest
Date: 12 Nov 1999 17:14:54 -0600

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>>For each image, the entry number, total points received, image title, and
>>artist are listed. If there is interest, I can post a breakdown of how
many
>>first/second/third place votes each image received as well.

Could you please post this info or send it to me?
I am setting up a VRML gallery of the entries but unfortunately I don't have
enough VR space setup for EVERY picture.  After 'hanging' the overall
winners
I am left with 146 spots.  Since I can't display every last work submitted
I would like to display those with the most votes in an attempt to be as
fair as possible.

Jon Meadows
Beyond VR
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D470270323-12111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I am=20
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D470270323-12111999><FONT color=3D#000000 =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>left with 146 spots.  Since I can't display every last =
work=20
submitted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D470270323-12111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D470270323-12111999><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>I would like to display those with the most votes =
in an=20
attempt to be as </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D470270323-12111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D470270323-12111999><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>fair as possible.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jon Meadows</FONT></DIV>
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From: tim gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint v3.10
Date: 12 Nov 1999 17:32:11 -0800

> [e-mail] (Scott D. Boyd) wrote:
> (on 11/11/99 at 1:40 AM)
> Is there any Linux user on this list that can offer me a *binary* of
> xfractint
> 3.10? I would also need all the ancillary files to go with it. I
haven't
> been
> able to get it to compile without errors on my Linux box.
> AMD K6-2 - Mandrake-Linux 5.3 - kernel 2.0.37
> Xfree86 v 3.3.3.1 - glibc, etc. etc.

I've not yet compiled xfract 3.10 for my linux box.  Unfortunately my
hardware is a Sparc 10, so I doubt I'll be of any use.

But!  If I do run into problems, I'll post the solutions to this list..

=- Tim
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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) spacebar toggle for formula types
Date: 14 Nov 1999 11:05:50 -0800

OK, I tried to do this on my own, but I'm not there yet.
I have searched throught fractint.doc and frmtutor.txt
(in the v20.0 documentation), have found only two
references to the ismand paramater, and nothing on
its usage.

The data must be there somewhere; can someone provide
guidance?  I could really use this new feature.


TIA, Bud


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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) toggle for formula types (2)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 12:04:36 -0800

I found fract200.frm and fract200.par and have tried to emulate
what's there, but the toggle doesn't work right.  Specifically, it
zeroes out p1, even though I use p2 as my alternate initial
value for c.  The cursor also fails to appear.

Because I know that any serious troubleshooting requires more
data, here are the par and frm in question:

frm: gravibrot { ; generalized r^(-2) by Mark "Bud" Christenson 3/13/98
; derived from gravijul, modified for v20.0 spacebar toggle 11/14/99
; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0)
if (ismand)
  z = p2, c = pixel
else
  z = pixel, c = p2
endif
:
   w = fn1(z)
   z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + c
   |z| < p3
  }

gb2u               { ; - (c) Bud 7/21/99
  reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=budz.frm formulaname=gravibrot
  ismand=y function=log/cosxx/acosh passes=b
  center-mag=-0.232084/-0.0436159/3.659233 params=1/-0.4/0/0/3.3/0
  float=y maxiter=300 inside=60 decomp=256 viewwindows=2/0.75/yes/0/0
  sound=off
  colors=LK0<14>`60a50b40c30d20e10<4>o00q00r00<3>z00<5>o00m00k00i00g00<16>\
  QFFPGGOHHNIIMJJKKK<22>fff<3>jjjlllnnn<2>sss<3>llljjjiii<19>QQQPPPOOO<2>L\

LLKKKKKL<9>BPWAQX9QY<3>5Ta4Ub3Vc<4>1_k1am0bo<3>0hw0jx0kz<3>0es0dq0bo<3>0\

Yh0Xf1We<14>FNQGNPHMOIMNJLMKKK<15>`XLaYLbZLc_Ld`LeaLgbM<3>ohQqjRrlT<3>zs\
  X<4>qjSoiRmgQkeP<23>KK0
  }

My guess is that the toggle forces (x,y) -> p1
(although this doesn't explain the absence of the cursor).
If this is the case, is there any way to work around this
so I don't have to edit all of my saved pars?  I have
considered shuffling my initial p1 into a temporary variable,
but suspect that once ismand is set to zero the data is
already overwritten.


Thanks, Bud


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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) toggle for formula types (2)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:28:11 -0500

Hi Mark,

>> I found fract200.frm and fract200.par and have tried to emulate what's=

>> there, but the toggle doesn't work right.  Specifically, it zeroes out=

>> p1, even though I use p2 as my alternate initial value for c.  The
>> cursor also fails to appear.

  The example in fract200.par works fine.  The toggle works only with p1 =
so
you've got to use p1 as your alternate initial value for c.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) toggle for formula types (2)
Date: 14 Nov 1999 13:46:45 -0800

At 04:28 PM 11/14/99 -0500, Sylvie wrote:
>...
>>> I found fract200.frm and fract200.par and have tried to emulate what's
>>> there, but the toggle doesn't work right.  Specifically, it zeroes out
>>> p1, even though I use p2 as my alternate initial value for c.  The
>>> cursor also fails to appear.
>
>  The example in fract200.par works fine.  The toggle works only with p1 so
>you've got to use p1 as your alternate initial value for c.

Thanks, Sylvie.  Can you or anyone else respond to the
second issue, which was buried at the bottom of my message?

>My guess is that the toggle forces (x,y) -> p1
>(although this doesn't explain the absence of the cursor).
>If this is the case, is there any way to work around this
>so I don't have to edit all of my saved pars?  I have
>considered shuffling my initial p1 into a temporary variable,
>but suspect that once ismand is set to zero the data is
>already overwritten.


Thanks, Bud


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From: "Iain G. Stirling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) PARS: inside=fmod
Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:33:51 -0000


Hello everyone,

Angela Wilczynski wrote:

Date sent:          Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:04:50 -0700
Send reply to:      [e-mail]

>
>
> Phil McRevis wrote:
> >
> > In article <[e-mail]>,
> >     "Iain G. Stirling" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> >
> > > This is my first attempt at the art side of fractals (I usually stick to the
> > > mathematics). It has taken me nearly 5 hours to produce EACH of the 9
> > > images in this collection! I'm sure that is awfully long - could any of the
> > > regular PAR contributers give me an idea of their average image creation
> > > time?
> >
>
> Phil...
>
> I'm an art type...so I'll take a stab at answering.  A fractal I REALLY like usually
> takes me anywhere from 1-3 hours.  The shorter time reflects starting with an
> existing image...and the latter, starting from a formula and puttering.
>
> My collection of Fractint stuff is at
>
> http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractalintro.htm
>
> One of the real keys to Fractint for me is a good color map, and I have some hints at
> my site in that area that may be of help.
>
> Angela aka wizzle
>

Angela,

Thanks for the advice in your web-page. I am hopefully going to have spare time on my hands to
produce some more images in the near future; in the mean-time I will continue to be inspired and
astounded at the images that talented (unlike myself) artists (like yourself, and well-known
others) can produce.

Phil,

Thanks also. My machine is fairly slow (P133) so these hints are useful - it's amazing how much
more investigate progress can be made with half to three-quarters of the calculation time lopped
off.

In case anyone is curious, this reply comes over one and a half months after the original posting
as it has taken me that long to fix my computer!

Thanks again,

Iain.




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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) PARS: inside=fmod
Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:54:34 -0800

Iaan....

Just in case you missed my previous post, I updated my fractint favorites gallery.
Most of the large images are fractint gifs, with the parameter information, including
color, in tact.  So if you have the patience to download them one at a time, there is
lots to start with...

http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/favorites/more/more_favs.html

Also....don't forget about Les St. Clair's website at

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/

Les has archived pars for many of the images submitted to the fractint mailing list
and is keeping up with modifications to fractint formulas.

That ought to keep you busy for a day or two!!

Angela aka wizzle

>
> In case anyone is curious, this reply comes over one and a half months after the original posting
> as it has taken me that long to fix my computer!
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Iain.
>

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From: "nltnme" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) setting up sstools.ini
Date: 14 Nov 1999 18:43:06 -0600

Can someone provide me with a sample sstools.ini file.

I have Fractint v20, and running DOS prompt running Win95.

where do I put the file? in the Fractint dir.?

Specifically, I want to set up to print to file color ps files.

As sample file will help me understand what I'm doing wrong

Thanks in advance.

nltnme


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) PARS: bubblegum for the mind
Date: 15 Nov 1999 12:07:42 GMT

http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/AndrewShilov/balls/balls.html
I got this via a link from a friend but thought you might enjoy this
java applet
.
juice --have fun --harm none

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From: Tom Conally <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) PARS: bubblegum for the mind
Date: 15 Nov 1999 08:22:56 -0500

At 12:07 PM 11/15/1999 GMT, you wrote:
>http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/AndrewShilov/balls/balls.html
>I got this via a link from a friend but thought you might enjoy this
>java applet
>.
Thanks, it is real interesting and unusual
Tom Conally

In every boomerang there is a perfect throw.
Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice
till you find that throw
and become one with that boomerang!
http://fly.to/boomerangs  " Flying Frog Boomerangs"
http://www.netpath.net/~conally   My greater internet index

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From: "Jon Meadows" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) WHAAaa.... full vote list for the Fractal 99 contest
Date: 15 Nov 1999 15:13:13 -0600

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I tried to send some mail to Damien but his message bounced back.
So I'm posting the request here again in hopes that he will see it.

I'm building a virtual reality world and hanging most of the Fractal 99
entries in a five-story gallery building.  I would hang everyone's work but
unfortunately I'm just a little short of the needed 'space'.  I can't
redesign the whole building at this point in time, so in an effort to be
fair I wanted to use the full vote list to determine which pictures are
going to get 'hung'.

I am also providing another building in which we can rotate everyone's work,
and a building we can use for a featured artist.   The featured artist is
someone that I hope can be decided on by the fractal community on a monthly
basis.  The featured artist will have access to a directory in which they
can upload their a pictures and have them automatically displayed in the VR
space.

The world is built and I'm just waiting on the voting info so I can finish
and upload the newest version of the world.

Jon Meadows
Beyond VR
[e-mail]



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<DIV><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
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back.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>So I'm posting the request here again in hopes =
that he will=20
see it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I'm=20
building a virtual reality world and hanging most of the Fractal 99=20
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size=3D2>entries </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>in a five-story gallery building.  I would =
hang=20
everyone's work but unfortunately I'm just a little short of the needed=20
'space'.  I can't redesign the whole building at this point in =
time, so in=20
an effort to be fair I wanted to use the full vote list to determine =
which=20
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=3D2>I am=20
also providing another building in which we can </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>rotate everyone's=20
work,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>and a=20
building we can use for a featured =
artist.  </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
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The featured=20
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on a=20
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size=3D2>access to a=20
directory in which they can upload </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>their a pictures=20
and have </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D990005220-15111999><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>them automatically displayed in the VR=20
space. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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world is built and I'm just waiting on the voting info so I can finish =
and=20
upload the newest version of the world.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) toggle for formula types (2)
Date: 15 Nov 1999 16:30:40 -0500

Hi Mark,

>> Thanks, Sylvie.

  You're welcome!

>> Can you or anyone else respond to the second issue, which was buried a=
t
>> the bottom of my message?

  Ah, yes, there was a second issue...

>> >My guess is that the toggle forces (x,y) -> p1 =


  Right.

>> >If this is the case, is there any way to work around this =

>> >so I don't have to edit all of my saved pars?  I have =

>> >considered shuffling my initial p1 into a temporary variable,
>> >but suspect that once ismand is set to zero the data is =

>> >already overwritten.

  I think that editing the pars is the only way to work around this.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) setting up sstools.ini
Date: 15 Nov 1999 17:01:24 -0800

Hi, all!

If you don't already know it, there's a newbie on the list.  He asks a
question that I can't anwer - I always print from PSP.

I know that there are people on the list that do have the answer to his
question.  Please respond if you know the answer!  Encouragement is
needed - first impressions are so important!
Linda A

-----Original Message-----


>Can someone provide me with a sample sstools.ini file.
>
>I have Fractint v20, and running DOS prompt running Win95.
>
>where do I put the file? in the Fractint dir.?
>
>Specifically, I want to set up to print to file color ps files.
>
>As sample file will help me understand what I'm doing wrong
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>nltnme
>
>
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From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) sstools.ini
Date: 15 Nov 1999 20:31:48 -0500

Here's my sstools.ini, used with Fractint v 20:


[Fractint]
parmfile=3Dc:\fractint\parfiles
filename=3Dc:\fractint\gifs
map=3Dc:\fractint\maps
autokeyname=3Dc:\fractint\autokeys
savename=3Dc:\fractint\gifs  =

formulafile=3Dc:\fractint\formulas
lfile=3Dc:\fractint\lsystem
ifsfile=3Dc:\fractint\ifs
orgfrmdir=3Dc:\fractint\formulas\orgfiles
printer=3Dhp
video=3Dsf7
textsafe=3Dyes
showdot=3Dbright                                                  =

recordcolors=3Dy                                                  =

comment=3Dt=3D$calctime$/\
        _/\
        on_a_P75_at_$xdots$x$ydots$__$date$__$time$/\
        Par_and_Image_Copyright_$year$_by_George_G._Martin          =



George Martin

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From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest 99 Entries
Date: 16 Nov 1999 12:01:58 -0800 (PST)


Hi all,

For those who are interested, I've added a page with my entries to the
1999 Fractal-Art Contest.  There is a link from my gallery home page at

http://www.best.com/~icent/fractals



Ken...




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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WHAAaa.... full vote list for the Fractal 99 contest
Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:51:17 -0800

Jon,

I need the URL before I can vote.  (and I can't wait to see them!)
Linda A

-----Original Message-----


>I tried to send some mail to Damien but his message bounced back.
>So I'm posting the request here again in hopes that he will see it.
>
>I'm building a virtual reality world and hanging most of the Fractal 99
>entries in a five-story gallery building.  I would hang everyone's work
but
>unfortunately I'm just a little short of the needed 'space'.  I can't
>redesign the whole building at this point in time, so in an effort to
be
>fair I wanted to use the full vote list to determine which pictures are
>going to get 'hung'.
>
>I am also providing another building in which we can rotate everyone's
work,
>and a building we can use for a featured artist.   The featured artist
is
>someone that I hope can be decided on by the fractal community on a
monthly
>basis.  The featured artist will have access to a directory in which
they
>can upload their a pictures and have them automatically displayed in
the VR
>space.
>
>The world is built and I'm just waiting on the voting info so I can
finish
>and upload the newest version of the world.
>
>Jon Meadows
>Beyond VR
>[e-mail]
>
>
>


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) setting up sstools.ini
Date: 16 Nov 1999 23:50:22 -0600

nltnme wrote:
>
> Can someone provide me with a sample sstools.ini file.
>

[fractint]
;
;------------Startup Parameters----------------
;
TEMPDIR=C:\Temp\
WORKDIR=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\Work\
; FILENAME=G:\Artwork\GIF_s\Fractals\Ooooo\*.gif
; CURDIR=yes
; MAKEPAR=parfile/entryname
COMMENT=_(c)_Paul_N._Lee_--_$date$_-_$time$/time=$calctime$_on_a_P-200_at_$xdots$x$ydots$/using_FractInt_$version$.$patch$/__
; BATCH=yes
; AUTOKEY=play|record
AUTOKEYNAME=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\KEY_s\auto.key
; MAKEDOC=Fractint.doc
MAXHISTORY=20
; FPU=387|iit|noiit
;
;
;------------Calculation Mode Parameters-------
;
PASSES=t   ; 1|2|3|g|g1|g2|g3|g4|g5|g6|b|t
; FILLCOLOR=normal|<nnn>
; FLOAT=yes
; SYMMETRY=xxx   ; Forces symmetry to None, Xaxis, Yaxis, XYaxis,
Origin, or Pi symmetry.
;
;
;------------Fractal Type Parameters-----------
;
TYPE=mandel    ; formula, julia, etc....
; PARAMS=n/n/n/n...
; FUNCTION=[fn1[/fn2[/fn3[/fn4]]]]
; FORMULANAME=[formulaname]
; LNAME=[lsystemname]
; IFS=[ifsname]
;
;
;------------Image Calculation Parameters------
;
MAXITER=150    ; Values range from 2 to 2147483647, default is 150.
; CORNERS=[xmin/xmax/ymin/ymax[/x3rd/y3rd]]
; CENTER-MAG=[Xctr/Yctr/Mag[/Xmagfactor/Rotation/Skew]]
; BAILOUT=nnn
; BAILOUTEST=mod|real|imag|or|and|manh|manr
; RESET
; INITORBIT=pixel|nnn/nnn
; ORBITDELAY=<nn>
; SHOWORBIT=yes|no
; PERIODICITY=no|show|nnn
; RSEED=nnnn
; SHOWDOT=[auto|bright|medium|dark|<nnn>[/<size>]]
; ASPECTDRIFT=<nn>
;
;
;------------Color Parameters------------------
;
; INSIDE=nnn|bof60|bof61|zmag|attractor|epscross|startrail|period
; OUTSIDE=nnn|iter|real|imag|summ|mult|atan
MAP=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\MAP_s\
; COLORS=@filename|colorspecification
RECORDCOLORS=comment    ; auto|comment|yes
; CYCLERANGE=nnn/nnn
CYCLELIMIT=55    ; values are 1 - 256, default is 55.
TEXTCOLORS=1F/1A/2E/70/28/71/31/78/70/17/1F/1E/2F/3F/5F/07/0D/71/70/78/0F/70/0E/0F/4F/20/17/20/28/0F/07
; mono | 31 seperate values.
; OLDDEMMCOLORS=yes|no
; TRUECOLOR=yes
;
;
;------------Doodad Parameters-----------------
;
; LOGMAP=yes|old|n
; LOGMODE=fly/table
; RANGES=nn/nn/nn/...
; DISTEST=nnn/nnn
; DECOMP=2|4|8|16|32|64|128|256
; BIOMORPH=nnn
; POTENTIAL=maxcolor[/slope[/modulus[/16bit]]]
; INVERT=nn/nn/nn
; FINATTRACT=no|yes
; EXITNOASK=yes
;
;
;------------File Parameters-------------------
;
SAVENAME=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\GIF_s\fract001.gif
OVERWRITE=no    ; no|yes
; SAVETIME=nnn|-nnn
; GIF87a=yes
; DITHER=yes
PARMFILE=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\PAR_s\*.par
FORMULAFILE=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\FRM_s\*.frm
LFILE=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\L_s\*.l
IFSFILE=F:\Fracta~1\FractInt\IFS_s\*.ifs
; FILENAME=[.suffix]
; ORBITSAVE=yes
;
;
;------------Video Parameters------------------
;
VIDEO=SF5    ;640x480 @ 256
; VIDEO=SF6    ;800x600 @ 256
; VIDEO=SF7   ;1024x768 @ 256
; VIDEO=SF8  ;1280x1024 @ 16
; VIDEO=SF9  ;1280x1024 @ 256
; ASKVIDEO=yes|no
;
ADAPTER=hgc|cga|ega|egamono|mcga|vga|ATI|Everex|Trident|NCR|Video7|Genoa|Paradise|Chipstech|Tseng3000|Tseng4000|AheadA|AheadB|Oaktech
; VESADETECT=yes|no
; AFI=yes|8514|no
TEXTSAFE=save    ; yes|no|bios|save
; EXITMODE=nn
; TPLUS=yes|no
; NONINTERLACED=yes|no
; MAXCOLORRES=8|16|24
; PIXELZOOM=0|1|2|3
; VIEWWINDOWS=xx[/xx[/yes|no[/nn[/nn]]]]
; FASTRESTORE=yes|no    ;Default is NO. If YES, resets VIEWWINDOWS to
"no" prior to restoring a gif file.
;
;------------Sound Parameters------------------
;
; SOUND=off|x|y|z
; HERTZ=nnn
; ORBITSAVE=sound
;
;
;------------Printer Parameters----------------
;
; PRINTER=type[/resolution[/port#]]
; COMPORT=port/baud/options
; LINEFEED=crlf|lf|cr
; TITLE=yes
; PRINTFILE=filename
;
;
;------------PostScript Parameters-------------
;
; EPSF=1|2|3
; COLORPS=yes|no
; RLEPS=yes|no
; TRANSLATE=yes|-n|n
; HALFTONE=frq/ang/sty[/f/a/s/f/a/s/f/a/s]
;
;
;------------PaintJet Parameters---------------
;
; HALFTONE=r/g/b
;
;
;------------Plotter Parameters----------------
;
; PLOTSTYLE=0|1|2
;
;
;------------3D Parameters---------------------
;
; 3D=Yes|Overlay
; RANDOMIZE=nnn    ; (0 - 100)
; AMBIENT=nnn    ; (0 - 100)
; FULLCOLOR=yes
; HAZE=nnn    ; (0 - 100)
; LIGHTNAME=<filename>
; MONITORWIDTH=<nnn>
; PREVIEW=yes                Turns on 3D 'preview' default mode
; SHOWBOX=yes                Turns on 3D 'showbox' default mode
; COARSE=nn                  Sets Preview 'coarseness' default value
; SPHERE=yes                 Turns on spherical projection mode
; STEREO=n                   Selects the type of stereo image creation
; RAY=nnn                    selects raytrace output file format
; BRIEF=yes                  selects brief or verbose file for DKB
output
; USEGRAYSCALE=yes           use grayscale as depth instead of color
number
; INTEROCULAR=nn             Sets the interocular distance for stereo
; CONVERGE=nn                Determines the overall image separation
; CROP=nn/nn/nn/nn           Trims the edges off stereo pairs
; BRIGHT=nn/nn               Compensates funny glasses filter parameters
; LONGITUDE=nn/nn            Longitude minimum and maximum
; LATITUDE=nn/nn             Latitude minimum and maximum
; RADIUS=nn                  Radius scale factor
; ROTATION=nn[/nn[/nn]]      Rotation about x,y, and z axes
; SCALEZYZ=nn/nn/nn          X,y,and z scale factors
; ROUGHNESS=nn               Same as z scale factor
; WATERLINE=nn               Colors nn and below will be "inside" color
; FILLTYPE=nn                3D filltype
; PERSPECTIVE=nn             Perspective distance
; XYSHIFT=nn/nn              Shift image in x and y directions with
perspective
; LIGHTSOURCE=nn/nn/nn       Coordinates for light-source vector
; SMOOTHING=nn               Smooths images in light-source fill modes
; TRANSPARENT=min/max        Defines a range of colors to be treated as
"transparent" when <#>Overlaying 3D images.
; XYADJUST=nn/nn             This shifts the image in the x/y dir
without perspective
;
;
;-------------Batch Mode-----------------------





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From:   "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Saving the evolver settings to SSTOOLS.INI
Date: 17 Nov 1999 09:24:53 -0300


After studying Paul Lee's  "Mother of all SSTOOLS.INI"  ;-),
I see he's  not including some of the v20 features
like the extended sound settings. I already have these on
my file, but I can't find the way to save the evolver
settings.

I did RTFM.... Probably I should read s'more...

Help ?

Thanks in advance,
Miguel

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From: "nltnme" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) thanks for sstools help
Date: 17 Nov 1999 19:52:22 -0600

Thanks to those who sent me sstools.ini files...I'm studying them to use,
and hopefully will get it all straight in the near future.

Thanks again

nltnme


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) re: saving evolver settings
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:49 0000

Hi Miguel,


  I'm afraid that there is currently no way of setting the evolver
parameters from the command line or sstools.ini file as it's primarily
a 'hands on' feature (and .... erm... I forgot :) )  It's easy enough to
add though. Which parameters were you interested in saving?


Cheers,
          Robin.


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From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New address for my fractal album
Date: 19 Nov 1999 18:51:42 +0100

The old URL http://grafitti.... is now replaced by
http://www.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/fractals/

I have always a mirror at
http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/

But this server having many jobs to do, use it only if there are problems
with the main site.
Thank you to update your bookmarks.
My page of links need to be updated. You may help me if you see something
wrong or forgotten.

You know perhaps that the site managed by Michael Taylor is definitely down.
You can find the sci.fractal.faq at
http://www.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/fractals/faq/index.html
I know that it has not been updated since March 98 but,as it is, it may be
yet useful.
J.P. Louvet                | Phone :  [phone]
IUT Universite Bordeaux I  | email : [e-mail]
33405 Talence CEDEX France | email : [e-mail]



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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Beyond the limit?
Date: 19 Nov 1999 22:50:44 -0500 (EST)

Fractint fans:

I've been exploring images of very high magnitude lately, and I have
a question.  When Fractint reaches the limit of resolution, it
becomes erratic and ultimately refuses to calculate a higher
magnitude.  Worse, when I attempt to resume an interrupted image of
very high magnitude, the program often begins to overwrite the
partially finished image with an image of a slightly lesser magnitude,
even when the higher magnitude image has an acceptable degree of
degradation.  Is there some way of forcing Fractint to calculate an
image even when the image is somewhat past the limit of resolution?

Jim Muth
[e-mail]




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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Beyond the limit?
Date: 20 Nov 1999 11:47:11 -0500

Hi Jim,

>> Is there some way of forcing Fractint to calculate an image even when
>> the image is somewhat past the limit of resolution?

  Yes!  Try the command "mathtolerance=3D/.15".

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Anthony (Tony) Hanmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) L-system tinkerings
Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:09:42 +0400

I've spent the last few days discovering L-systems, which seem to be
incredibly forgiving of amateurish attempts to get a good result.  After
reading the tutorial, I just dove in with a text editor and made lots of
mistakes but also found many interesting new critters.  Here are some of
them.  My favourites are:
28f, m, o, s; 33a, 34a, 68, 70, 73c, 75, 76a, d, f; 78, 83a, 84a, 86, 93,
99d & h.  Enjoy.
(Note if necessary:  save the text below as a text file marked [anything].l,
e.g. hanmer.l (l for L-system).  Also, some of the items have long lines
which may spill over onto a second line on the screen in Windows; I don't
know if this is allowed by the formula parser if saved that way, but in DOS
they all work as long single lines.)

ADH04b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.9+x]-f[@.1+x]-f[@.9+x]g[@.9+x]-f[@.1+x]-f[@.9+x]g[@.9+x]-f[@.1+x]-f[@.
9+x]g[@.9+x]-f[@.1+x]-f[@.9+x]
  }

ADH05a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom X

X=f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.
7+x]f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]
  }

ADH05d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom X

X=f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]g[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]g[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.
7+x]g[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]
  }

ADH06 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.9x]-f[@.1x]-f[@.9x]f[@.9x]-f[@.1x]-f[@.9x]f[@.9x]-f[@.1x]-f[@.9x]f[@.9
x]-f[@.1x]-f[@.9x]
  }

ADH12b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom X

X=f[@.7+x]--f[@.2+x]--f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]--f[@.2+x]--f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]--f[@.2+x]
--f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]--f[@.2+x]--f[@.7+x]
  }

ADH13a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom X

X=f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.
7+x]f[@.7+x]-f[@.2+x]-f[@.7+x]
  }

ADH16a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 5
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[
@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]
  }

ADH16b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[
@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]
  }

ADH16c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom +X

X=f[@q7fx]-[@q2fx]-[@q7fx]+[@q7fx]-[@q2fx]-[@q7fx]+[@q7fx]-[@q2fx]-[@q7fx]+[
@q7fx]-[@q2fx]-[@q7fx]
  }

ADH17 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom X

X=f[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[
@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]
  }

ADH17a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom X

X=f[@.6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.6fx]+[
@.6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.6fx]
  }

ADH17d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom X

X=f[@q6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@q6fx]+[@q6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@q6fx]+[@q6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@q6fx]+[
@q6fx]-[@.2fx]-[@q6fx]
  }

ADH22 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[
@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]
  }

ADH22b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.7fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]g[@.7fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]g[@.7fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]g[
@.7fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]
  }

ADH22d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom +X

X=-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[
@.3fx]-[@.7fx]
  }

ADH23 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom X

X=f[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]+[
@.9fx]-[@.1fx]-[@.9fx]
  }

ADH24 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[
@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]
  }

ADH27 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[
@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]+[@.7fx]-[@.2fx]-[@.7fx]
  }

ADH28 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.6fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.6fx]+[
@.6fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@.3fx]-[@.6fx]
  }

ADH28a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]+[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6 ; slow but interesting
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]--[@.4fx]--[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]--[@.4fx]--[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]--[@.4fx]--[@.
5fx]+[@.5fx]--[@.4fx]--[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]--[@.4fx]--[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]--[@.4fx]--[
@.5fx]
  }

ADH28e { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[
@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28f { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28i { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 5
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28m { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28o { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 10
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28p { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 12
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH28s { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 36
  Axiom +++++++++X

X=f[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[
@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]g[@.5fx]-[@.4fx]-[@.5fx]
  }

ADH32a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[
@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.4fx]g[@.5fx]
  }

ADH33a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]g[@.3fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.3fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.3fx]g[@.5fx]+[
@.5fx]g[@.3fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.3fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@.3fx]g[@.5fx]
  }

ADH34a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +X

X=f[@.5fx]g[@I2fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@I2fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@I2fx]g[@.5fx]+[
@.5fx]g[@I2fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@I2fx]g[@.5fx]+[@.5fx]g[@I2fx]g[@.5fx]
  }

ADH59 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom +x
  x=[@.48f+x+x+x+x]
  }

ADH60 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x
  x=[@.6f+x+x+x+x]
  }

ADH68 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x++x-x
  }

ADH70 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x++x+x-x-x
  }

ADH70c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx-x++x+x-x-x
  }

ADH71 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x++x-x
  }

ADH72 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx+x--x+x--x+x--x+x
  }

ADH72b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx+x--x+x--x+x--x+x
  }

ADH72c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx+x--x+x--x+x--x+x
  }

ADH73b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx-x++x-x++x-x++x
  }

ADH73c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx-x++x-x++x-x++x
  }

ADH75 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH75a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x
  x=fx-gxf+x+gxf-x
  }

ADH76a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom x-x-x
  x=fx-x+x
  }

ADH76d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom x+x+x
  x=fx-x+x
  }

ADH76f { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 3
  Axiom xx+xx+xx
  x=fx-x+x
  }

ADH78 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 5
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH78a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 5
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH78b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 5
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH78c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 5
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH79 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx--x+x+x-x+x
  }

ADH79b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx--x+x+x-x+x
  }

ADH79c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx--x+x+x-x+x
  }

ADH80 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6 ; Snowflake variation 1
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x++x-x+x-x
  }

ADH80a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6 ; Snowflake variation 2
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x++x-x+x-x
  }

ADH80b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6  ; Snowflake variation 3
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx-x++x-x+x-x
  }

ADH80c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6  ; Snowflake variation 4
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx-x++x-x+x-x
  }

ADH81 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x+x-x+x
  }

ADH81a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x+x-x+x
  }

ADH81b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx-x+x-x+x
  }

ADH81c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx-x+x-x+x
  }

ADH82 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x
  x=fx--x-x-x+x
  }

ADH82a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x
  x=fx--x-x-x+x
  }

ADH82b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx--x-x-x+x
  }

ADH82c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx--x-x-x+x
  }

ADH83 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x--x-x+x
  }

ADH83a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x--x-x+x
  }

ADH83b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xx-xx-xx-xx
  x=fx-x--x-x+x
  }

ADH83c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xx+xx+xx+xx
  x=fx-x--x-x+x
  }

ADH84a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x
  x=f-x++x-x++x
  }

ADH85 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH86 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x++x+x-x-x
  }

ADH87 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x
  X=f[@.6fx]-[@I2fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@I2fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@I2fx]
  }

ADH93 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x
  X=f[@.6fx]--[@I2fx]--[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]--[@I2fx]--[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]--[@I2fx]
  }

ADH94 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x
  X=f[@.6fx]-[@I2fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@I2fx]-[@.6fx]+[@.6fx]-[@I2fx]
  }

ADH99 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xy-xy-xy-xy
  x=fx-fyx+fyx+x-y
  y=fy-fxy+fxy+y-x
  }

ADH99d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xy+xy+xy+xy
  x=fx-fyx+fyx+x
  y=fy-fxy+fxy+y
  }

ADH99f { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xy-xy-xy-xy
  x=fx-fyx+fyx
  y=fy-fxy+fxy
  }

ADH99h { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xy-xy-xy-xy
  x=-fyx+gxfy
  y=+fxy-gyfx
  }

Anthony David Hanmer
(Anagramatically known as:
Ah! handy, mad inventor)

Baku, Azerbaijan


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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Beyond the limit?
Date: 20 Nov 1999 13:34:55 -0500 (EST)

At 11:47 AM 11/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>
>>> Is there some way of forcing Fractint to calculate an image even when
>>> the image is somewhat past the limit of resolution?
>
>  Yes!  Try the command "mathtolerance=/.15".
>
>  Cheers,


That's the command I wanted!  It solved the problem.

Thanks much Sylvie.


Jim M.


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From: Abhishek Roy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Lambda pars
Date: 21 Nov 1999 04:30:02 +0500

Hello all,
       These are zooms into the lambda fractal. The pattern on the first one
is very reminiscent of the moire patttern. Now hit colour cycling and 9 and
watch....
I am sure someone has has seen this effect long ago but it is strangely
attractive.
The second one is a further zoom into the first.

whorls             { ; Abhishek Roy 1999
  reset=1730 type=lambda
  corners=0.08670499344686/0.08671256986617/-0.3292191347135/-0.3292134523\
  99 params=2/0.66 float=y maxiter=20000 outside=imag
  distest=256/100/1024/768 finattract=y periodicity=0 sound=off
  colors=000xE2<15>J65G65E55<3>336<11>JIYKK_MLb<3>RQkLXs<7>SRmTQmUPl<3>YMi\
  qBu<2>OScHGa<4>GSZGUZGXY<3>FeWXFx<3>FgW<7>YdZ`cZbc_<3>la`vWg<3>lcZjeXggV\
  eiTfhB<3>ckRclVblZ<3>_onenw<3>VokSohQpeNpb5lg<3>RrYWsWp0Z<3>eaVbkU`tU<3>\
  XlXWjYVhZXdU<3>TibRjdQlgPmiOnkKrp<8>YhbZga`f_<3>faUtce<6>YZJVYGSYD<3>FV0\
  <13>ZI8`I8aH9<3>gDBv8UqANlCHi61<6>gMNgOQfRT<3>e_ejWi<10>bdhbehafh<3>Zihe\
  yyKuM<3>TsSWrUYrV<2>dp_fp`hmY<10>wH4
  }

fireworks          { ; Abhishek Roy 1999
  reset=1730 type=lambda
  corners=0.086708718149383/0.086709096970349/-0.32921611704887/-0.3292158\
  3293315 params=2/0.66 float=y maxiter=20000 outside=imag
  distest=256/100/1024/768 finattract=y periodicity=0 sound=off
  colors=000YnV<2>VhXXdS<3>Ti`RjbQlePmgOniKrn<8>Yh`Zg_`fY<3>faStcc<5>a_LYZ\
  HVYE<2>LW4IW1FV0<3>LR0MR1OQ1<7>ZI6`I6aH7<3>gD9v8SqALlCFi60i82<5>gMLgOOfR\
  R<3>e_cjWg<10>bdfbefaff<3>ZifeywKuK<3>TsQWrSYrT<2>dpYfpZhmW<5>pWGrTDsQA<\
  3>xE0<15>J63G63E53<3>334<11>JIWKKYML`<3>RQiLXq<7>SRkTQkUPj<3>YMgqBs<2>OS\
  aHG_<4>GSXGUXGXW<3>FeUXFv<3>FgU<7>YdX`cXbcY<3>laZvWe<3>lcXjeVggTeiRfh9<3\
  >ckPclTblX<3>_olenu<3>VoiSofQpcNp`5le<3>RrWWsUp0X<4>bkS`tS_rTZpU
  }



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From:   "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) re: saving evolver settings
Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:34:27 -0300

Robin said :

>>>  I'm afraid that there is currently no way of setting the evolver
>>> parameters from the command line or sstools.ini file as it's primarily
>>> a 'hands on' feature (and .... erm... I forgot :) )  It's easy enough to
>>> add though. Which parameters were you interested in saving?

All of them, of course !! ;)

I guess that implementing this feature would be similar in
complexity to, say, the saving of 3D parameters (I'm not
saying it's an easy task, of course. I used to do some
VAX C and VAX MACRO programming some years ago, but now
I'm too rusted to attempt to do it myself ...)

Regards,
Miguel
Buenos Aires, Argentina
(still fighting to get some time to update my Franktal page)


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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 13:38:55 +0100

Hi,

While still looking for a new PC, I made a little test. Running the
following SPEEDTST.PAR on my old P90 and on a P3-500MHz, I fund out, that
the P3-500 is only 3x - 3.5x faster than my P90 and not 5.55x .. strange..
Would you please run the speedtst.par and give me the running-times of the
3 examples, with the data of the PC's (CPU and freq.).

******************
  SPEEDTST.PAR
******************

fpu_off            { ; 0min 44sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=mandelfn function=sin passes=b video=sf5
  center-mag=+2.00247192150000000/-0.00132751499999995/0.9986742/0.9995
  params=0/0 maxiter=95 inside=bof60 savename=fpu_off
  colors=0000pz<34>07z06z04z03z02z00z<57>005004003002000000000<25>00d00f00\
  h00i00k00m<26>0ew0fx0hx0iy0ky0mz<25>nwzpwzrxz<3>zzz<42>7zz6zz4zz3zz2zz0z\
  z<6>0qz
  }

fpu_on             { ; 0min 29.88sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=mandelfn function=sin passes=b video=sf5
  center-mag=+2.00247192150000000/-0.00132751499999984/0.9986742
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=95 inside=bof60 Savename=fpu_on
  colors=0000pz<34>07z06z04z03z02z00z<57>005004003002000000000<25>00d00f00\
  h00i00k00m<26>0ew0fx0hx0iy0ky0mz<25>nwzpwzrxz<3>zzz<42>7zz6zz4zz3zz2zz0z\
  z<6>0qz
  }

julzpwr1           { ; 58min 19.61 sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=julibrot julibrotfromto=-1.1/-1/-2/-2 video=sf5
  julibrot3d=150/2950/-150/10/10/24 julibroteyes=5 orbitname=julzpower
  center-mag=-0.56243082849999990/-0.77924701600000000/63.86515/0.9997
  params=0/0/2.8/0 maxiter=12 bailout=620 bailoutest=and savename=julzpwr1
  colors=000zzzyzzzyzzyyyyyxyyyxzyxxxxxwxxxwyxwwwwwvwwwvxwvvvvvuvvvuwvuuuu\
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  GFGGGFHGFFFFFEFFFEGFEEEEEDEEEDFEDDDDDCDDDCEDCCCCCBCCCBDCBBBBBABBBACBAAAA\
  A9AAA9BA9999989998A98888878887987777767776876666656665765555545554654444\
  4344435433333233324322222122213211111011102100<2>000
  }

******************

the "julzpwr1" is running a bit slower than the other's..


Thanks in advance!

Guy

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From: "Iain G. Stirling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 15:43:53 -0000

Guy Marson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While still looking for a new PC, I made a little test. Running the
> following SPEEDTST.PAR on my old P90 and on a P3-500MHz, I fund out, that
> the P3-500 is only 3x - 3.5x faster than my P90 and not 5.55x .. strange..
> Would you please run the speedtst.par and give me the running-times of the
> 3 examples, with the data of the PC's (CPU and freq.).
>

Here you go:

My machine is a standard P133.

In Windows '95:

fpu_on: 42.66 seconds
fpu_off: 35.61 seconds

DOS, having quit Windows '95:

fpu_on: 31.69 seconds
fpu_off: 21.92 seconds

DOS, clean boot of the machine:

fpu_on: 31.53 seconds
fpu_off: 22.68 seconds

Taking the ratio of the speeds of our processors:

133MHz / 90MHz = 1.478 times as fast

Taking the DOS clean boot times above versus your P90 times:

44/31.53 = 1.3954 times as fast
29.88/22.68 = 1.317 times as fast

So, the same effect is present in this case as for your comparison of
500MHz and 90MHz.

The reason for this is because not _all_ of the time spent in
calculating the image is processor time. In the case of generating a
fractal, there is time spent accessing the video card, and time spent
accessing the memory. Only if 100% of calculation time was spent on
the processor would you see a increase in speed equal to the ratio of
the processor speeds. This effect is known as Amdahl's Law.

As an example, consider an imaginary situation where 90% of the
time taken for a job on the computer is processor time, the other 10%
being disk, memory or whatever. If we made our processor
_infinitely_ fast, while leaving the other components unaffected, the
90% share would disappear completely (the processor would do its
job instantaneously). That leaves 10%, which means the overall
speedup is only a factor of 10!! Goodness only knows what Intel
would charge for a PIII-infinityMHz processor, but I'm sure we'd feel
cheated if it only gave us a 10 times improvement in performance...

It works out from all the figures above that the 'fpu_on' and 'fpu_off'
PARs spend about 90% of time on the processor, so the above
example is quite realistic. Note that I have quoted three sets of times
for different situations on my machine, and these times are all
different. Inarguably, the processor is the same speed each time, so
it is the other factors that affect the execution time.

Hope that helps explain your results,

Iain.


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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 12:09:54 -0500 (EST)

At 03:43 PM 11/25/99 -0000, you wrote:

> While still looking for a new PC, I made a little test. Running the
> following SPEEDTST.PAR on my old P90 and on a P3-500MHz, I fund out, that
> the P3-500 is only 3x - 3.5x faster than my P90 and not 5.55x .. strange..
> Would you please run the speedtst.par and give me the running-times of the
> 3 examples, with the data of the PC's (CPU and freq.).


My computer is a P200, running a clean DOS 6.22, which is how I always
run Fractint.  Here are the times for your speed test.

fpu_on: 18.34 seconds
fpu_off: 12.52 seconds
julibrot: 20 minutes, 35.82 seconds

Jim M.


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 11:25:32 -0600

Guy Marson wrote:
>
> Would you please run the speedtst.par and
> give me the running-times of the 3 examples,
> with the data of the PC's (CPU and freq.).
>
> fpu_off            { ; 0min 44sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)

            00:00:19.56  P-200 MMX

>
> fpu_on             { ; 0min 29.88sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)

            00:00:14:12  P-200 MMX

>
> julzpwr1           { ; 58min 19.61 sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)

            00:41:49.16  P-200 MMX

This was run under a DOS window using Windows-98 ver.1 rel.4.10.1998;
with two Netscape windows open and dialed into an ISP; and three McAfee
virus protection tasks running in the background; and Microsoft
Office-97 Shortcut bar.

If I have time at work, I'll test it out on several other PCs.

P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: Ron Barnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 12:59:40 -0500

Guy,
Running a standard 600 Mhz PIII with Windows 98 I obtained

fpu_off 9.39 sec
fpu_on 6.75 sec

The processor ratio is 6.667
The average speed ratio is 5.55.

It looks like I have less overhead than you have. The rest of my system
includes a 100 Mhz bus, 128 Meg of  8 nanosecond SDRAM, and a Voodoo 3
video card with 16 Meg.

-----Original Message-----
Sent:    Thursday, November 25, 1999 07:39

Hi,

While still looking for a new PC, I made a little test. Running the
following SPEEDTST.PAR on my old P90 and on a P3-500MHz, I fund out, that
the P3-500 is only 3x - 3.5x faster than my P90 and not 5.55x .. strange..
Would you please run the speedtst.par and give me the running-times of the
3 examples, with the data of the PC's (CPU and freq.).

******************
  SPEEDTST.PAR
******************

fpu_off            { ; 0min 44sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=mandelfn function=sin passes=b video=sf5
  center-mag=+2.00247192150000000/-0.00132751499999995/0.9986742/0.9995
  params=0/0 maxiter=95 inside=bof60 savename=fpu_off
  colors=0000pz<34>07z06z04z03z02z00z<57>005004003002000000000<25>00d00f00\
  h00i00k00m<26>0ew0fx0hx0iy0ky0mz<25>nwzpwzrxz<3>zzz<42>7zz6zz4zz3zz2zz0z\
  z<6>0qz
  }

fpu_on             { ; 0min 29.88sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=mandelfn function=sin passes=b video=sf5
  center-mag=+2.00247192150000000/-0.00132751499999984/0.9986742
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=95 inside=bof60 Savename=fpu_on
  colors=0000pz<34>07z06z04z03z02z00z<57>005004003002000000000<25>00d00f00\
  h00i00k00m<26>0ew0fx0hx0iy0ky0mz<25>nwzpwzrxz<3>zzz<42>7zz6zz4zz3zz2zz0z\
  z<6>0qz
  }

julzpwr1           { ; 58min 19.61 sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=julibrot julibrotfromto=-1.1/-1/-2/-2 video=sf5
  julibrot3d=150/2950/-150/10/10/24 julibroteyes=5 orbitname=julzpower
  center-mag=-0.56243082849999990/-0.77924701600000000/63.86515/0.9997
  params=0/0/2.8/0 maxiter=12 bailout=620 bailoutest=and savename=julzpwr1
  colors=000zzzyzzzyzzyyyyyxyyyxzyxxxxxwxxxwyxwwwwwvwwwvxwvvvvvuvvvuwvuuuu\
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  4344435433333233324322222122213211111011102100<2>000
  }

******************

the "julzpwr1" is running a bit slower than the other's..


Thanks in advance!

Guy

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From: knife31a <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Video Display
Date: 25 Nov 1999 12:00:58 -0700

To anyone who can help me

I just subscribed to the fractint mailing list and it's very interesting. I
am pretty new to this program but am having a great time using it, I also
have been fooling around with Moray and Povray.

My question is that I have a: 21" Hitachi CM812, a monster 3D card,  using
starfighter AGP release 0322, using the latest Fractint release and I can
not get any of the stock fractint SVGA drivers to work other than some of
the lesser displays and SuperVGA/Vesta Autodetect 800x600, 256 colors .

I have my display set to 1280x1024, 24bit true color. It's very depressing
not to be able to use the full capabilities of my monitor. I'm sure it's
something simple, If anyone has some suggestions I would appreciate it.

Randy Hoffmaster
RH

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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 14:46:21 -0500 (EST)

At 12:59 PM 11/25/99 -0500, Ron Barnett wrote:

>Running a standard 600 Mhz PIII with Windows 98 I obtained
>
>fpu_off 9.39 sec
>fpu_on 6.75 sec

These times are about 1/2 the 18.34 and 12.52 it takes my p200 to
run these files.  I would have expected a PIII-600 would run them
in 1/3 the time.  Maybe we need a slower parameter file as a speed
test, where the overhead is less significant.

Jim M.


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From: "William J. Hawley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 16:58:22 -0600

Just some speed figures from a lurker
PIII 500 Mhz, 128 meg PC100 memory,  Matrox G200 with 8 meg

FPU-OFF          9.73 sec
FPU-ON           6.97 sec
JULZPWR1      13:52.56 minutes

--
                    William J. Hawley
                    [e-mail] at play
                    [e-mail] at work
--
Why does an alarm clock "go off" when it begins ringing?



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From: Charles F Crocker <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 20:05:24 -0500

I knew that if I waited long enough my favorite topic would come up.

For the record my times are:       P90                  PII 350
                     fpu_off                 43.01                     14.72
                     fpu_on                 28.39                    10.65
                     julzpwr1           55:57.44               15:15.22

Jim and Ian's results appear to have the on and off  times reversed.

I have been tracking times since Jim started posting precise times for the
FOTD. A PII 350 should be 1.502 times as fast as a P200 on the basis of
clock speed. My results for several months have been concentrated in the
approximate range of  1.2 to 1.3 with a few notable exceptions. I dont
remember when Jim switched his date format but using the new format here
are four examples.

                                      PII 350 time ratios
FOTD  20-09-99                  .8065
FOTD  22-08-99                  .7283
FOTD  17-08-99                  1.9633
FOTD  05-09-99                  1.8038

For data like this four decimal places seems to be overkill. The only
conclusion I can draw is that there is something fishy in the state of
fractals. On my PII 350 system doing a 640X480 plot that is completely in
the outside area where the count should be either 0 or 1 ( I don't remember
exactly how Fractint is set up) takes 0.11 seconds. This time is all that
it should take for overhead in any plot, everything else should be
itterating time. This amount of overhead is just over 1% for any plot that
takes as little as 10 seconds. My system cant be counted on to repeat the
same plot any closer than this. I presume these small variences can be due
to exactly when Fractint's timer picks up the time.

I would be extremely interested in what others see for thes four FOTD's.

Charles


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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: speedtest
Date: 25 Nov 1999 21:52:47 -0500 (EST)

At 08:05 PM 11/25/99 -0500, Charles Crocker wrote:

                    <most snipped>
>I knew that if I waited long enough my favorite topic [CPU speed]
would come up.

Maybe some of the confusion is due to the fact that about two weeks
ago when I purchased my dedicated fractal machine, I changed the
source of my posted draw times from a p233 to a p200.  But there
still seems to be a discrepancy.  Actually, in my experience, the
same fractal never runs twice in exactly the same time, even on the
same machine.  I'll do some further experimentation with draw times
when I get a slow day.

Jim M.


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From: "Anthony (Tony) Hanmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) More L-Systems
Date: 18 Nov 1999 11:05:28 +0400

Rather quiet par-wise lately!
Here are some more L-systems; I'm starting to get more control, though still
a long way from fluency in this syntax, though also still enjoying its
restrictions and possibilities very much.
ADH105d is a right-angled version of Terdragon, with seemingly identical
results when filled in solid.  Try as I did I couldn't produce the median
and rounded versions of this, but William McWorter, writer of the L-systems
tutorial, kindly helped me with these and several other problems.  Included
are some variations on his Border; a 4-colour set of rounded Dragon Curves
which proves that they can nestle with endpoints touching and not overlap;
and a similar thing for the rounded square Terdragon, plus assorted odds and
ends.  Hope someone finds these interesting.
Anthony Hanmer

Border1a { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom XYXYXYX+XYXYX+XYXYXYX+XYXYX
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1b { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom XYXYXYXYX+XYXYX+XYXYXYXYX+XYXYX
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1c { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom XYXYXYXYXYX+XYXYX+XYXYXYXYXYX+XYXYX
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1d { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ; Square spiral
  Axiom
XYXYXYXYXYX+XYXYXYXYXYX+XYXYXYXYXYX+XYXYXYXYX+XYXYXYXYX+XYXYXYX+XYXYXYX+XYXY
X+XYXYX+XYX+XYX+X+X
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1f { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ; Back & forth, inner gaps filled
  Axiom XYX+X+XYX-X-XYX
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1g { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX+X+XYX+X
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1h { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX+XYX+XYX+XYX
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1i { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX+X+XYX+X
  F=
  X=FX+GX+FXFY-GY-
  Y=+FX+GXFY-FY-GY
  }

Border1j { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX+XYX+XYX+XYX
  F=
  X=FX+GX+FXFY-GY-
  Y=+FX+GXFY-FY-GY
  }

Border1k { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX+X+XYX+X
  F=
  X=GX+FX+FXGY-FY-
  Y=+GX+FXFY-GY-FY
  }

Border1l { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX+XYX+XYX+XYX
  F=
  X=GX+FX+FXGY-FY-
  Y=+GX+FXFY-GY-FY
  }

Border1m { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX-X-XYX-X
  F=
  X=FX+GX+FXFY-GY-
  Y=+FX+GXFY-FY-GY
  }

Border1n { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX-XYX-XYX-XYX
  F=
  X=FX+GX+FXFY-GY-
  Y=+FX+GXFY-FY-GY
  }

Border1o { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX-X-XYX-X
  F=
  X=GX+FX+FXGY-FY-
  Y=+GX+FXFY-GY-FY
  }

Border1p { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XYX-XYX-XYX-XYX
  F=
  X=GX+FX+FXGY-FY-
  Y=+GX+FXFY-GY-FY
  }

Border1q { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XY+XY+XY+XY
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1r { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom XY+YX+XY+YX
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

Border1s { ; William McWorter, altered by Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4  ;
  Axiom X+Y+X+Y
  F=
  X=FX+FX+FXFY-FY-
  Y=+FX+FXFY-FY-FY
  }

ADH70d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom
x+x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x++x+x-x-x
  }

ADH70e { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 6
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x+x-x-x-x-x-x+x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x++x+x-x-x
  }

ADH75f { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x-x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH75g { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x+x-x-x-x-x+x-x-x-x-x+x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx-x+x+x-x
  }

ADH99m { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom xyx+xyx+xyx+xyx
  x=fyyxx+
  y=fxxyy-
  }

ADH100 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x
  x=fxx+xx+xx+xx+
    }

ADH100b { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx+x-x+x
    }

ADH100c { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx+x-x+x
    }

ADH100d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x
  x=fx+x-x-x+x
    }

ADH100e { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 8
  Axiom x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
  x=fx+x-x-x+x
    }

DragR2c { ; Rounded Dragon variation 1
  Angle 8 ; 2 dragons joined end to end, 2 colours
  Axiom c10x++c12u++ ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  f=
  x=fx+@.5fz@2+fy
  y=fx-@.5fz@2-fy
  z=fz
  u=fu+@.5fw@2+fv
  v=fu-@.5fw@2-fv
  w=fw
  }

DragR4c { ; Rounded Dragon variation 4, Anthony Hanmer and William McWorter
  Angle 8 ; 4 dragons in a cross, 4 colours
  Axiom
[c09-@.5z@2+x]---@.5g@2++++[c10@.5z@2+u]--@.5g@2++++[c11@.5z@2+r]--@.5g@2+++
+[c12@.5z@2+o]
  f=
  x=fx+@.5fz@2+fy
  y=fx-@.5fz@2-fy
  z=fz
  u=fu+@.5fw@2+fv
  v=fu-@.5fw@2-fv
  w=fw
  r=fr+@.5ft@2+fs
  s=fr-@.5ft@2-fs
  t=ft
  o=fo+@.5fq@2+fp
  p=fo-@.5fq@2-fp
  q=fq
  }

ADH102 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom F
  F=F-F+F+FF-F-F+F
  }

ADH102a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom F-F-F-F
  F=F-F+F+FF-F-F+F
  }

ADH103 { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom F
  F=FF+F+FF-F-FF
  }

ADH103a { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4
  Axiom F-F-F-F
  F=FF+F+FF-F-FF
  }

ADH105d { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4 ; Right-angled version of Terdragon
  Axiom f ; Produces identical results when filled in solid
  f=f+f+f-f-f
  }

ADH105h { ; Anthony Hanmer 1999
  Angle 4 ;
  Axiom f+f+f+f
  f=f+f-f
  }

ADH105m { ; median version of ADH105d
  Angle 8 ; altered by William McWorter
  Axiom -x
  x=x+f+x+f+x-f-x-f-x
  }

ADH105r { ; rounded version of ADH105d
  Angle 8 ; altered by William McWorter
  Axiom x
  f=
  y=fy
  x=fx+@.5fy@2+fx+@.5fy@2+fx-@.5fy@2-fx-@.5fy@2-fx
  }

ADH105r2 { ; rounded version of ADH105d, 4 joined mono
  Angle 8 ; rounding by William McWorter
  Axiom x++x++x++x
  f=
  y=fy
  x=fx+@.5fy@2+fx+@.5fy@2+fx-@.5fy@2-fx-@.5fy@2-fx
  }

ADH105r3 { ; rounded version of ADH105d, 4 joined coloured
  Angle 8 ; rounding by William McWorter
  Axiom c09x++c10v++c11t++c12r
  f=
  y=fy
  x=fx+@.5fy@2+fx+@.5fy@2+fx-@.5fy@2-fx-@.5fy@2-fx
  f=
  w=fw
  v=fv+@.5fw@2+fv+@.5fw@2+fv-@.5fw@2-fv-@.5fw@2-fv
  f=
  u=fu
  t=ft+@.5fu@2+ft+@.5fu@2+ft-@.5fu@2-ft-@.5fu@2-ft
  f=
  s=fs
  r=fr+@.5fs@2+fr+@.5fs@2+fr-@.5fs@2-fr-@.5fs@2-fr
  }



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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Display
Date: 26 Nov 1999 03:43:47 -0600

Randy Hoffmaster <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I have a: 21" Hitachi CM812, a monster 3D card,
> using starfighter AGP release 0322, .....(snipped)...

A good utility for determining the settings for the "fractint.cfg" file
may be found at the following:

     http://home.att.net/~Fractals_4/vesa2cfg.zip


Another good resource for FractInt related information may be found at:

     http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/preslar.html


P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Alejandro Gustavo Kainer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 07 Nov 1999 20:40:00 -0300

Guy,

From the depths of history, data from my 486 DX4 100 MHz running Windows 95,
16 Mb RAM, 640x480x256 SuperVGA/VESA

fpu_off  0:01:06.18
fpu_on  0:00:59.43

I'm afraid that I will owe you the other one, 'cause I'm getting late. But
you can just imagine... If it's any good for you I'll run it tonight when I
get home.

@le

PS: clock is working fine but don't pay attention to mail's date, 'cause I
have to change batteries. It's 11/26/99 at 8:25 am GMT +3.


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Display
Date: 26 Nov 1999 14:16:44 -0600

Paul wrote:

> A good utility for determining the settings for the "fractint.cfg" file
> may be found at the following:
>
>      http://home.att.net/~Fractals_4/vesa2cfg.zip

An even better way to do this is to run

makefcfg.exe

that comes with Fractint version 20. It is similar to vesa2cfg except
that it actually writes all your video modes in the form of a
fractint.cfg file.

The key to video support from any board is to make sure VESA
video modes are supported. Unfortunately that is no longer always
the case, since VESA support is not citical now that most people
are running Wndows.

Tim

(Yes this is really me. I am in the process of migrating from
[e-mail] to [e-mail].)


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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:48:52 +0100

At 15:43 25.11.1999 -0000, you wrote:
>Guy Marson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While still looking for a new PC, I made a little test. Running...

>
>So, the same effect is present in this case as for your comparison of
>500MHz and 90MHz.
>
>The reason for this is because not _all_ of the time spent in
>calculating the image is processor time. In the case of generating a
>fractal, there is time spent accessing the video card, and time spent
>accessing the memory. Only if 100% of calculation time was spent on
>the processor would you see a increase in speed equal to the ratio of
>the processor speeds. This effect is known as Amdahl's Law.
>
>As an example, consider an imaginary situation where 90% of the
>time taken for a job on the computer is processor time, the other 10%
>being disk, memory or whatever. If we made our processor
>_infinitely_ fast, while leaving the other components unaffected, the
>90% share would disappear completely (the processor would do its
>job instantaneously). That leaves 10%, which means the overall
>speedup is only a factor of 10!! Goodness only knows what Intel
>would charge for a PIII-infinityMHz processor, but I'm sure we'd feel
>cheated if it only gave us a 10 times improvement in performance...
>
>It works out from all the figures above that the 'fpu_on' and 'fpu_off'
>PARs spend about 90% of time on the processor, so the above
>example is quite realistic. Note that I have quoted three sets of times
>for different situations on my machine, and these times are all
>different. Inarguably, the processor is the same speed each time, so
>it is the other factors that affect the execution time.
>
>Hope that helps explain your results,
>
>Iain.
>

So far no AMD-machine on the test.. but many good ideas clearing my mind!
The comparison is much more complex than I could imagine!

Thanks to all of you!

Guy



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From: Mike Traynor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:55:09 -0500

        Boot to DOS    W98

FPU off        0.77s        1.10s
FPU on        0.71s        1.05s

This is on a PIII/600 at 640x480.

For reasons I don't understand, the julibrot image does not want to generate at
all.  These times are much faster than what I got this morning using the VESA
modes that come with fractint.  I ran makefcfg.exe and got these times with
the 640x480 video mode in the fractint.cfg.

Mike

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 27 Nov 1999 04:10:54 +0100

Hi Mike,

At 20:55 26.11.1999 -0500, you wrote:
>        Boot to DOS    W98
>
>FPU off        0.77s        1.10s
>FPU on        0.71s        1.05s
>
>This is on a PIII/600 at 640x480.

that's very fast!!

>
>For reasons I don't understand, the julibrot image does not want to
generate at
>all.

You may got a sstools.ini with fpu=on.. this julibrot is only running
without fpu..

>These times are much faster than what I got this morning using the VESA
>modes that come with fractint.  I ran makefcfg.exe and got these times with
>the 640x480 video mode in the fractint.cfg.
>
>Mike
>


thanks too!

Guy

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From: "Terry Erickson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 27 Nov 1999 00:34:24 -0800

I have a newly-constructed AMD machine. It is a FIC mainboard with a VIA
chipset and an AMD K6-2 @ 450MHz. I have 128 Mb SDRAM, 100 MHz bus, and a
Diamond Viper graphics card with 16 Mb of memory on it.
Here are my speedtst.par times for WinDOS

Win98 running Fractint in a DOS window while Outlook Express hovers around:
fpu off:   16.04  sec
fpu on:    14.83  sec
juzzlpwr:  23:41.30

DOS BOOT (clean boot; chose command prompt only after hard shutdown):
fpu off:    11.81  sec
fpu on:     10.82  sec
juzzlpwr:   14:09.37

Did someone really calculate those first two with a P3-600 in only about a
second? Wow. that is faster than the other P3-600s
at a few seconds. I notice that my "new" AMD machine has performed this task
in no less than about a quarter of the time that Alejandro's Intel 486 took
at 100Mhz. Also not much better than the P2-350.





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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: speedtest
Date: 27 Nov 1999 16:09:15 +0100

At 21:52 25.11.1999 -0500, you wrote:
>At 08:05 PM 11/25/99 -0500, Charles Crocker wrote:
>
>                    <most snipped>
>>I knew that if I waited long enough my favorite topic [CPU speed]
>would come up.
>
>Maybe some of the confusion is due to the fact that about two weeks
>ago when I purchased my dedicated fractal machine, I changed the
>source of my posted draw times from a p233 to a p200.  But there
>still seems to be a discrepancy.  Actually, in my experience, the
>same fractal never runs twice in exactly the same time, even on the
>same machine.

that's right!! the same here!


>I'll do some further experimentation with draw times
>when I get a slow day.
>
>Jim M.
>

the situation is really more complex that I expected. Running different
versions of fractint leeds to other generating-times.

here are the results with the speedtst.par:


Passes = b(oundary)

fractint Ver.:     18.2         19.2         19.5        19.6        20.0

fpu off          0'39.55"    0'42.23"      0'43.73"    0'44.05"    0'48.94"
fpu on           0'27.88"    0'29.88"      0'30.15"    0'30.49"    0'33.83"



Passes = 1

fractint Ver.:     18.2         19.2         19.5        19.6        20.0

fpu off          0'44.38"    0'56.46"      0'58.82"    0'59.32"    1'03.44"
fpu on           0'30.37"    0'40.59"      0'41.90"    0'39.87"    0'42.13"



Passes = g(uessing)

fractint Ver.:     18.2         19.2         19.5        19.6        20.0

fpu off          1'15.79"    0'45.48"      0'47.13"    0'47.34"    0'53.11"
fpu on           0'52.07"    0'31.30"      0'33.39"    0'32.79"    0'36.47"


All were tested on a Pentium 90, Miro 20-SD G.card (2MB), 64MB (mostly
unused) RAM and 556kb free DOS(6.22)-memory.

When I switch-off the "Norton Commander", I liberate c. 13 kB memory for
fractint. Speedtst.par is then running slightly faster (2-3%)..

I think, this Par-file is not very good as a "Fractint-benchmark".. but
whats better?

By the way, the julibrot (julzpwr1.gif) is a sirds-like 3D picture for
parallel-eyed viewing.

cheers,

Guy

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 27 Nov 1999 16:13:42 +0100

At 00:34 27.11.1999 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a newly-constructed AMD machine. It is a FIC mainboard with a VIA
>chipset and an AMD K6-2 @ 450MHz. I have 128 Mb SDRAM, 100 MHz bus, and a
>Diamond Viper graphics card with 16 Mb of memory on it.
>Here are my speedtst.par times for WinDOS
>
>Win98 running Fractint in a DOS window while Outlook Express hovers around:
>fpu off:   16.04  sec
>fpu on:    14.83  sec
>juzzlpwr:  23:41.30
>
>DOS BOOT (clean boot; chose command prompt only after hard shutdown):
>fpu off:    11.81  sec
>fpu on:     10.82  sec
>juzzlpwr:   14:09.37
>
>Did someone really calculate those first two with a P3-600 in only about a
>second? Wow. that is faster than the other P3-600s
>at a few seconds. I notice that my "new" AMD machine has performed this task
>in no less than about a quarter of the time that Alejandro's Intel 486 took
>at 100Mhz. Also not much better than the P2-350.
>
>
>

thanks for the first AMD K6-2 450 times.. i hope there is somebody testing
also the (new) AMD Athlon machines..

cheers,

Guy


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From: Ron Barnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) speedtest
Date: 27 Nov 1999 10:18:46 -0500

Guy,
I ran makefcfg to use my card's VESA settings and did a cold boot to DOS. My times really don't change:

fpu_off    9.11 sec
fpu_on   6.76 sec

Pentium III 600

-----Original Message-----
Sent:    Thursday, November 25, 1999 13:00

Guy,
Running a standard 600 Mhz PIII with Windows 98 I obtained

fpu_off 9.39 sec
fpu_on 6.75 sec

The processor ratio is 6.667
The average speed ratio is 5.55.

It looks like I have less overhead than you have. The rest of my system
includes a 100 Mhz bus, 128 Meg of  8 nanosecond SDRAM, and a Voodoo 3
video card with 16 Meg.

-----Original Message-----
Sent:    Thursday, November 25, 1999 07:39

Hi,

While still looking for a new PC, I made a little test. Running the
following SPEEDTST.PAR on my old P90 and on a P3-500MHz, I fund out, that
the P3-500 is only 3x - 3.5x faster than my P90 and not 5.55x .. strange..
Would you please run the speedtst.par and give me the running-times of the
3 examples, with the data of the PC's (CPU and freq.).

******************
  SPEEDTST.PAR
******************

fpu_off            { ; 0min 44sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=mandelfn function=sin passes=b video=sf5
  center-mag=+2.00247192150000000/-0.00132751499999995/0.9986742/0.9995
  params=0/0 maxiter=95 inside=bof60 savename=fpu_off
  colors=0000pz<34>07z06z04z03z02z00z<57>005004003002000000000<25>00d00f00\
  h00i00k00m<26>0ew0fx0hx0iy0ky0mz<25>nwzpwzrxz<3>zzz<42>7zz6zz4zz3zz2zz0z\
  z<6>0qz
  }

fpu_on             { ; 0min 29.88sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=mandelfn function=sin passes=b video=sf5
  center-mag=+2.00247192150000000/-0.00132751499999984/0.9986742
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=95 inside=bof60 Savename=fpu_on
  colors=0000pz<34>07z06z04z03z02z00z<57>005004003002000000000<25>00d00f00\
  h00i00k00m<26>0ew0fx0hx0iy0ky0mz<25>nwzpwzrxz<3>zzz<42>7zz6zz4zz3zz2zz0z\
  z<6>0qz
  }

julzpwr1           { ; 58min 19.61 sec; video=sf5 (Pentium 90)
  reset=2000 type=julibrot julibrotfromto=-1.1/-1/-2/-2 video=sf5
  julibrot3d=150/2950/-150/10/10/24 julibroteyes=5 orbitname=julzpower
  center-mag=-0.56243082849999990/-0.77924701600000000/63.86515/0.9997
  params=0/0/2.8/0 maxiter=12 bailout=620 bailoutest=and savename=julzpwr1
  colors=000zzzyzzzyzzyyyyyxyyyxzyxxxxxwxxxwyxwwwwwvwwwvxwvvvvvuvvvuwvuuuu\
  utuuutvutttttstttsutsssssrsssrtsrrrrrqrrrqsrqqqqqpqqqprqpppppopppoqpoooo\
  onooonponnnnnmnnnmonmmmmmlmmmlnmlllllklllkmlkkkkkjkkkjlkjjjjjijjjikjiiii\
  ihiiihjihhhhhghhhgihgggggfgggfhgfffffefffegfeeeeedeeedfedddddcdddcedcccc\
  cbcccbdcbbbbbabbbacbaaaaa`aaa`ba`````_```_a`_____Z___Z`_ZZZZZYZZZY_ZYYYY\
  YXYYYXZYXXXXXWXXXWYXWWWWWVWWWVXWVVVVVUVVVUWVUUUUUTUUUTVUTTTTTSTTTSUTSSSS\
  SRSSSRTSRRRRRQRRRQSRQQQQQPQQQPRQPPPPPOPPPOQPOOOOONOOONPONNNNNMNNNMONMMMM\
  MLMMMLNMLLLLLKLLLKMLKKKKKJKKKJLKJJJJJIJJJIKJIIIIIHIIIHJIHHHHHGHHHGIHGGGG\
  GFGGGFHGFFFFFEFFFEGFEEEEEDEEEDFEDDDDDCDDDCEDCCCCCBCCCBDCBBBBBABBBACBAAAA\
  A9AAA9BA9999989998A98888878887987777767776876666656665765555545554654444\
  4344435433333233324322222122213211111011102100<2>000
  }

******************

the "julzpwr1" is running a bit slower than the other's..


Thanks in advance!

Guy

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From: "Susan D. Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 27 Nov 1999 11:34:21 -0600

For me personally, I am not interested in integer math
benchmarks, but I am interested in floating point benchmarks, or,
for that matter, arbitrary precision benchmarks. The reason for this
is that integer math will not be continued in Fractint much longer,
because of the near-universal availability of coprocessors integrated
into CPUs, and also that the speed advantage is gone.

There are a number of factors that influence speed with fractint.
Some fractal types (e.g. mandelbrot) have explicit assembler
support, and others don't. Most of the assembler has some degree
of pentium optimization which causes version-to-version
differences. Of course formula types using float=yes also have
assembler support. We may have to remove some of the recent
fast parser optimizations because of a few formulas that don;'t work
right. I am interested in formula type speed differences between
19.6 and 20.0. (You folks may have reported this, I haven't taken
time to read all the messages.)

Of course we are always interested in examples of benchmarks
that show a slowdown in newer versions.

Another interesting, and quite different, area of benchmarking would
be to compare synchronous orbits (passes=s) with the regular
mandelbrot. For modest zooms it is probably a lot worse but for
deep zooms it can be a lot faster.

Tim


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From: knife31a <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Video Display
Date: 27 Nov 1999 11:36:53 -0700

I ran makefcfg.exe, and it gave me about 15 choices of which only the
1152x864 worked however that's better than what I had and now that I know
kind of where and how, I should be able to fool with it. Thanks

Randy Hoffmaster


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From: "Susan D. Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 27 Nov 1999 13:22:30 -0600

Heh heh, in case you are all confused by my message from
"Susan Wegner", I was setting up an email alias for my wife and
accidently used her identity <grin!>

However, I willindeed be changing from [e-mail] to
[e-mail] soon. When I do I'll change the footers of the
list messages. At the moment [e-mail] is still the list
administrator and [e-mail] is a plain old list member.

Tim (not Susan) Wegner
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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 28 Nov 1999 00:04:29 +0100

At 11:34 27.11.1999 -0600, you wrote:
>For me personally, I am not interested in integer math
>benchmarks, but I am interested in floating point benchmarks, or,
>for that matter, arbitrary precision benchmarks. The reason for this
>is that integer math will not be continued in Fractint much longer,

hi Tim,

ohhh, this makes me very sad.. so the julibrots won't work anymore as shown
in the speedtst.par?? This "bug" is a very nice artifact!!



Guy



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 27 Nov 1999 16:41:50 -0600

X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b)

Guy wrote:

> ohhh, this makes me very sad.. so the julibrots won't work anymore as shown
> in the speedtst.par?? This "bug" is a very nice artifact!!

Well, you can always keep Fractint 20.x around as long as you
have a box that can boot DOS. <grin!>

More seriously, there is no decent cure for this problem. The
integer math artifacts are very tied to the CPU-specific
implementation of integer math. It *might* be possible to simulate
the artifacts on other platforms as Fractint is moved off the
segmented memory model, but it would take a lot of effort for a
dubious result, and it might not even be possible.

Tim



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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 28 Nov 1999 00:51:53 +0100

At 16:41 27.11.1999 -0600, you wrote:
>X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b)
>
>Guy wrote:
>
>> ohhh, this makes me very sad.. so the julibrots won't work anymore as shown
>> in the speedtst.par?? This "bug" is a very nice artifact!!
>
>Well, you can always keep Fractint 20.x around as long as you
>have a box that can boot DOS. <grin!>
>
>More seriously, there is no decent cure for this problem. The
>integer math artifacts are very tied to the CPU-specific
>implementation of integer math. It *might* be possible to simulate
>the artifacts on other platforms as Fractint is moved off the
>segmented memory model, but it would take a lot of effort for a
>dubious result, and it might not even be possible.
>
>Tim
>

Hi Tim,

it's late now in Europe, but this are good news on the end of the day,
running some 20 (slow) Julibrots on a (slow) P90 ..

g' nite

Guy


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) German teachers training
Date: 28 Nov 1999 07:55:51 EST

Hi there.
Last month I held a seminar on fractint for German Primary school teachers.
Some texts and pictures can be seen on
http://ourworld.cs.com/MH4Multi
Though most of it is in German I wrote a short synopsis in English.
Comments are very welcome.
Have fun,
Michael Hackenberger, Berlin, Germany

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) German teachers training
Date: 28 Nov 1999 10:19:56 -0600

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Some texts and pictures can be seen on
>      http://ourworld.cs.com/MH4Multi
> Though most of it is in German I wrote
> a short synopsis in English.
>

Grⁿ▀e,

Ein interessantes website, das Sie dort haben, aber das Link fⁿr die
englische Version fointing zu Ihrem "E" Verzeichnis auf Ihrem harten
Laufwerk.  OIne mu▀ achtgeben, da▀, aufbaut wenn es Microsoft FrontPage
webpages verwendet.

Aufrichtig,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Jim Prickett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) MMX code ?  Was: fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 28 Nov 1999 09:14:52 -0800

Subject Was: (fractint) fractint speed benchmarks


> For me personally, I am not interested in integer math
> benchmarks, but I am interested in floating point benchmarks, or,
> for that matter, arbitrary precision benchmarks. The reason for this
> is that integer math will not be continued in Fractint much longer,
> because of the near-universal availability of coprocessors integrated
> into CPUs, and also that the speed advantage is gone.

Are there any plans to include optimized K6 or MMX code in fractint ?
I have heard that the German magazine C'T has a fast Mandelbrot
program on their website, but I have not been able to find it.

Programmer's Lair - fractal source code
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943/
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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) MMX code ?  Was: fractint speed benchmarks
Date: 28 Nov 1999 14:07:22 -0500

Jim,

 - Are there any plans to include optimized K6 or MMX code in fractint ?
 - I have heard that the German magazine C'T has a fast Mandelbrot
 - program on their website, but I have not been able to find it.

MMX only supports 16-bit multiplies, which would handle little more than
the initial zoom of the M-set. Hardly worth the effort. As soon as you get
into deeper zooms, 32-bit integer math and 64-bit floating-point math
becomes essential and MMX is useless.

(Yes this comes up from time to time, the answer is always the same. :)

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New Chebyshevs
Date: 28 Nov 1999 17:17:19 -0500

I have updated all three of my Chebyshev pages with 27 new images. An
expanded gfp.ufm formula file is also available for download, as well as
parameter files for all images. I translated and slightly modified
several more original Chebyshev formulas (by Morgan L. Owens) into UF
format, which accounts for the expansion of the formula file.

I hope you'll enjoy your visit.

Gedeon

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From: knife31a <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 28 Nov 1999 18:49:06 -0700

Tim

If I may call you that, I am assuming you are the Tim that wrote this book,
if so did you publish a later edition? This is what got me hooked on
Fractals in the first place.

Randy Hoffmaster
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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) SOI
Date: 29 Nov 1999 09:09:44 GMT

Can anyone show me an image for which Fractint v20's new SOI passes mode is
any quicker? I tried one Mandelbrot zoom with passes=g, and it took about 7
minuites. With SOI, it took 1 hour and 7 minuites. In addition, the minibrot
in the center got a bit "mashed"; the edges turned into a collection of
Julia outlines (a bit like the "purturb" options on the <Z> screen). I have
yet to see any image go even slightly faster with SOI. Or even found an
image that slows down by less than 400% with SOI. Apparently the trick is to
pick an image at the very limit of normal percition, just before you hit
arbitary percition. But nowhere does it say exactly what magnification this
occurs at...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) German teachers training - 2
Date: 29 Nov 1999 09:12:15 EST

Sorry for the bad link...
... and thanks for telling me.
Fixed now.
Bye, Michael


Just in case ...
http://ourworld.cs.com/MH4Multi/englsyn.htm

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From: "pedja" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Few  questions
Date: 29 Nov 1999 21:52:01 +0100

I ran  fractint  few times  and i am having little trouble with display of
images.
Sometimes only the upper  1\3  of image  is visible, and sometimes whole
image is on the screen,but  some of it ,usually on top of the screen, is in
stripes(part  is visible ,then black stripe,then image  and so on,approx.to
the 1\3  of the screen).This happened   when i ran fractint in MS-DOS
window.Could that be the reason?I had no time to try it in  command prompt
only(i downloaded  it late last night)
I like fractint very much, inspite the fact that i  dont really  understand
on what foundations fractals are really  based.
I'll  learn,eventually.
Thank you.



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From: John R Goering <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) bifurcation diagrams
Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:24:57 -0500

Hello,

Is their any way to use Fractint to create the bifurcation diagram for
the simple quadratic iterator X = x^2 + c?
I wrote a little program for myself to create that diagram.  However, I
would like to be able to use Fractint to create the diagram so that I can
easily print it out from Fractint.

Yours truly,
John Ralph



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Subject: (fractint) 2D slices of Julibrot
Date: 29 Nov 1999 20:02:51 -0500

Hello,

Here is a formula that produces 2D slices of the Julibrot set.  You can
get a feel for some of the types of images that the formula produces by
using the new evolver in v. 20.  After this formula, I give some hints on
how to use the formula.


SliceJB {; by John R. H. Goering, July 1999
;This formula produces 2D slices of the 4D Julibrot set. The numbers for
;p1 and p2 describe the rotation of the plane that slices the set (I
;call that plane the uv-plane -- the u-axis is the horizontal axis on
;the screen and the v-axis is the vertical axis). I call the 4 axes
;in 4-space the p, q, r, & s axes. The M-set is in the pq-plane and the
;J-sets are in the rs-plane and planes "parallel" to it. The rotation
angles
;are to be entered as fractions of pi (e.g., pi/4 would be entered as
0.25).
;At first, the uv-plane is identical to the pq-plane.
;Then the rotations are performed counterclockwise in each plane as
follows:
;First: real(p1)--the rotation in the qs-plane.  Then imag(p1)--qr-plane.
;real(p2)--pr-plane. imag(p2)--pq-plane.
;The origin of the resulting skewed uv-plane is then placed at the point
;(real(p3), imag(p3), 0, 0) in pqrs-space. To create the M-set, leave the
;parameters alone, or you may change p3 to change the position of the
M-set
;on the uv-plane.
;To create a J-set, set real(p1)=real(p2)=0.5, then set p3 equal to the
;constant for the J-set (let imag(p1)=imag(p2)=0).
;The parameters for p1 and p2 that are needed to put the uv-plane
parallel to
;the various coordinate planes are as following (the numbers are given in
the
;order -- real(p1), imag(p1), real(p2), imag(p2) ):
;pq-plane: 0, 0, 0, 0   pr-plane: 0, 0.5, 0, 0   ps-plane: 0.5, 0, 0, 0
;qr: 0, 0.5, 0, 0.5  qs: 0.5, 0, 0, 0.5  rs: 0.5, 0, 0.5, 0

  pix=pixel, u=real(pix), v=imag(pix), a=pi*real(p1), b=pi*imag(p1)
  g=pi*real(p2), d=pi*imag(p2), ca=cos(a), cb=cos(b), sb=sin(b),
cg=cos(g)
  sg=sin(g), cd=cos(d), sd=sin(d)
  p=u*cg*cd-v*(ca*sb*sg*cd+ca*cb*sd)
  q=u*cg*sd+v*(ca*cb*cd-ca*sb*sg*sd)
  r=u*sg+v*ca*sb*cg, s=v*sin(a), c=p+flip(q) + p3, z=r+flip(s):
  z=z*z+c
  |z|<=4
}

Example 1:  Set real(p1)=real(p2)=0.2; real(p3)=-0.1; and imag(p3)=0.7
(with the other parameters 0)
Then zoom in on some of the detail.  Notice that there are places that
look like the M-set and a J-set have been "mixed" together to create the
detail.

Example 2: This example demonstrates one way to create a sequence of
images that morph from the M-set to a particular J-set:
First set real(p1)=real(p2)=0.5; real(p3)=-0.52; and imag(p3)=0.57 (with
the other parameters 0)
This should generate a J-set.
Then press ctrl-e to enter evolver mode.  Change evolution mode to "yes"
and then press F6.  Change Param 1 real to "x", Param 2 real to "y".
Make sure all the other settings are "no".  Then press enter.
You should now be able to change x parameter range to 0.5, x parameter
offset to 0, y parameter range to 0.5, and y parameter offset to 0.  Then
press enter.
You should now see a screen full of images.  The lower left image is a
perfect M-set and the upper right image is a perfect J-set.
(On my computer, I also see the same J-set in the center [is this a
bug?].  The J-set does not belong there.  To put the correct image in the
center, first choose the image that is to the left of the center and
press enter.  On the resulting screen, choose the image that is to the
right of the center and press enter.  The correct image should now be in
the center with the M and J sets at the lower left and upper right
corners.)
You can now pick any path from the lower left of the screen to the upper
right of the screen to get a sequence of images that morph from the M-set
to the J-set.

Example 3: Set real(p1)=real(p2)=0.25 (with the other parameters set to
0)
This appears to create an M-set that has been magnified by a factor of
the sqrt(2).  Apparently, slicing the Julibrot at this particular angle
exposes a magnified M-set.  Does anyone know why this happens?

Example 4: Set imag(p1)=0.5 and all other parameters to 0.
You will need to zoom out to get the "big picture."
I think that this looks like a space probe entering the atmosphere.

Example 5: Use the evolver to experiment!


Some notes:
1) All angle measurements are in radians.

2) I sure wish that Fractint had 8 parameters for formulas instead of
just 6. With 2 more parameters, I could place the origin of the uv-plane
anywhere in pqrs-space instead of just somewhere on the pq-plane.

3) If anyone would like to see the mathematical derivation of this
formula, I would be willing to post it.

Yours truly,
John Ralph


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 29 Nov 1999 20:36:07 -0600

RH asked:

> Tim
>
> If I may call you that

You may!

> I am assuming you are the Tim that wrote this book,

I am!

> if so did you publish a later edition?

No, the 2nd edition is the last. However, this book is still quite
amazingly current and covers 95% of fractint. Sadly, it is long out
of print, and an additional edition would not be a feasible project
because Fractint is a DOS program.

I own the rights to the book, someday I'll figure out a way to use
the rights.

Tim


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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Joining Fractint Discussion List
Date: 29 Nov 1999 19:38:09 -0800

Someone emailed me with a fractint question I can't answer.  I wanted to direct them
to this discussion list but can't seem to find the instructions at
Spanky.....duh....well...you know.  I'm probably looking right at them....

Can someone give me the right web page??

Thanks

Angela aka wizzle

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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 29 Nov 1999 17:49:26 -1000

Do it as an e-book. Wired News had something about a
company that was offering something along those lines
which would be just about perfect for something like your
book.

On 29 Nov 99 at 20:36, Tim Wegner wrote:

> > if so did you publish a later edition?
>
> No, the 2nd edition is the last. However, this book is
> still quite amazingly current and covers 95% of
> fractint. Sadly, it is long out of print, and an
> additional edition would not be a feasible project
> because Fractint is a DOS program.
>
> I own the rights to the book, someday I'll figure out a
> way to use the rights.

Another blast of bits from David
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast:
    http://www.surfreporthawaii.com

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
Sorry - warm fuzzies make me sneeze. (D.Jones)



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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 29 Nov 1999 23:21:32 -0500

Tim,

 - I own the rights to the book, someday I'll figure out a way to use
 - the rights.

(laugh) You could convert the documents to HTML and post them online. :) Or
put those documents on a CD, and sell the CD (burned one at a time, if
necessary).

I am teasing a little bit (gosh it feels great to be in a good mood!) but
I'm sure many people would love to be able to read this material.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 29 Nov 1999 20:57:43 -0800

Damien M. Jones wrote to Tim Wegner about Fractal Creations:

> I am teasing a little bit (gosh it feels great to be in a good mood!) but
> I'm sure many people would love to be able to read this material.
>


Yes, the first few chapters made clear to me
what I had waded through some other sources and
did not get, and were fun to read, too.
Kathy

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From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 29 Nov 1999 22:07:14 -0800

Tim...

An e-book is a great idea.  I tried to find a copy a couple of years ago and
couldn't.

wizzle

David Jones wrote:
>
> Do it as an e-book. Wired News had something about a
> company that was offering something along those lines
> which would be just about perfect for something like your
> book.
>
> On 29 Nov 99 at 20:36, Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> > > if so did you publish a later edition?
> >
> > No, the 2nd edition is the last. However, this book is
> > still quite amazingly current and covers 95% of
> > fractint. Sadly, it is long out of print, and an
> > additional edition would not be a feasible project
> > because Fractint is a DOS program.
> >
> > I own the rights to the book, someday I'll figure out a
> > way to use the rights.
>
> Another blast of bits from David
> http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast:
>     http://www.surfreporthawaii.com
>
> Random Thought for this Nanosecond
> Sorry - warm fuzzies make me sneeze. (D.Jones)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 30 Nov 1999 01:26:39 EST

I agree with Wizzle. I've been watching out for a copy for a year now. I've
seen only one listing which zipped away before my email order got processed.
Still watching:)

~ren

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From: "Alejandro Gustavo Kainer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:42:29 -0300

What is the name of the book? Fractal Creations? Though we in Argentina
import English written books I'm not usually searching bookstores looking
for Tim's books, maybe because I didn't know he had written one... Please do
tell me (you, Tim, anyone) so I could buy it or request it. Have a nice
tuesday :))

@le

PS: Btw, I was wrong. Ours is GMT -3 (and NOT GMT +3). Thanks given to
Miguel Fliguer ;). Still having my old batteries... (it's 7:50, November
30th, 1999 and NOT November 8th, 12:42...).

-----Mensaje original-----
De: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Fecha: Martes 30 de Noviembre de 1999 01:50
Asunto: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition


Damien M. Jones wrote to Tim Wegner about Fractal Creations:

> I am teasing a little bit (gosh it feels great to be in a good mood!) but
> I'm sure many people would love to be able to read this material.
>


Yes, the first few chapters made clear to me
what I had waded through some other sources and
did not get, and were fun to read, too.
Kathy

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Date: 30 Nov 1999 06:55:02 -0500 (EST)

I have just come back to using Fractint after a few years and am trying to create Targa files from 3D transformations but am ending up with a lovely blue picture. From the top to the bottom, nothing but blue. As shades of blue go it IS a pleasant hue but, it's not what I want. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks

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From: Ralph Feltens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 30 Nov 1999 12:55:31 +0100

Hello Tim!

I would like to get this book, too. And there are certainly a lot of
other people who would like to obtain this source of fractal and
fractint information as well ...

Ciao

            Ralph

David Jones wrote:

> Do it as an e-book. Wired News had something about a
> company that was offering something along those lines
> which would be just about perfect for something like your
> book.


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From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Creat
Date: 30 Nov 1999 08:03:29 -0500

Tim,

Jon Noring publishes e-books.

Lee

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) German teachers training
Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:56:32 EST

In einer eMail vom 28.11.1999 13:57:27 (MEZ) Mitteleurop=E4ische Zeit schrei=
bt=20
[e-mail]:

> Last month I held a seminar on fractint for Primary school teachers ...

Congratulations on your idea of teaching teachers computergraphics and show=20
them and their pupils *The Beauty of Fractals*.
In your homepage I read that you treated the fractal pictures afterwards wit=
h=20
PSP and other graphic programms. This has the disadvantage that on saving yo=
u=20
lose the fractal information. Why not use fractints palette editing=20
facilities?
You can change each of the 256 colors separately and create smoothly shaded=20
ranges of colors.=20
Coloring is not only a point of aesthetics but also a means of bringing out=20
hidden structures. The following two simple par files will show what I mean.=
=20
They are basically the same picture, one made with random colors, the other=20
with colors that emphasize the spiral form.=20

Marie-Luise Beyer

spirbunt           { ; random colors
  reset=3D2000 type=3Djulia
  center-mag=3D-0.0938539/0.170495/135.1038/1.0209/90
  params=3D-0.204812/-0.663316 maxiter=3D255 inside=3D0
  colors=3D000cYUVOLR67MECusdfaSSLF1rKKw7NMIJGDGA8botU_bLKLL5NxUT<2>PA9qoZ<2=
\
  >NGB`xq<2>JIF1xd0QJ5ID9B8ztrWs3Pa3JL3rDg<2>N6DfdA<2>KD4uFtfBbS7L2Gb<2>B7\
  ChSUYKLNCCr8O<2>N58XJz<2>I7I7nf<2>CFDnwlWWQTnRLRFmFT`BKP7BR7e<2>G4CDeZDN\
  JjOJ<2>L97Cg2<2>DE3gYkXOXNEIBxLCWCkIw<2>L7H4lA<2>BF493ETab<2>HCCiZ_<2>LB\
  BzqRaTFn9mW6QmZC`O9PE6Lb08Tt<2>CAGuh39uWBVHDFBDB8D75eD_WAPM7EIrnFTREi8DW\
  6DI4DRODFD8_cAPRCEFguSSVFju2sBhmqwG7Mr60<2>N43iXP<2>LB811L73CkdF_SBOG7YY\
  3<2>IB3fGF<2>K76gZ26RYryhSsuKUUXP1QI2JB3c1mQ3QYSUqWOXIDViO<2>HE8WXyAI8BD\
  6C84GcI9uiBcVCMH8MyasDTa9LL6t8I<2>O564PXSFpNB_I7JTdFLM9J3SH4LG4FE49AVXBM\
  NCDDN3EKnD<2>EF5cWc6K3<2>C839dlBMQGJy<2>D7H3_p<2>BCFdeW<2>KDAjjV5kV8XLHd\
  oJZnLUm<2>HaUGcOGBwQqmxZ3<3>777lgb
  }
spirneon           { ; clever coloring; by Branderhorst
  reset=3D2000 type=3Djulia
  center-mag=3D-0.0938539/0.170495/135.1038/1.0209/90
  params=3D-0.204812/-0.663316 maxiter=3D255 inside=3D0
  colors=3D000000<24>mGOoGPqHQ<3>zKU<19>O8CM7BK6A<3>C46A45834<2>211000000<9>=
\
  000000000<2>000010030<23>0n00p00r0<3>0z0<25>0C00A0080<2>020000000<9>0000\
  00000<2>000110330<23>nn0pp0rr0<3>zz0<25>CC0AA0880<2>220000000<29>000
  }


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Subject: Re: (fractint) Joining Fractint Discussion List
Date: 30 Nov 1999 13:35:39 -0800 (PST)


    The page at spanky describing how to join the
    fractint listserver is at:

http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/listserver.html

    regards,
    Noel


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Targa
Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:04:00 -0600

"Fastcar" asked:

>>
I have just come back to using Fractint after a few years and am
trying to create Targa files from 3D transformations but am ending
up with a lovely blue picture. From the top to the bottom, nothing
but blue. As shades of blue go it IS a pleasant hue but, it's not
what I want. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
>>

We may have broken Targa support in version 20.0. We are looking
into it, and if so we will be releasing a bugfix version 20.1 (actually,
I know enough fixes to justify a 20.1 any way.

I suggest you try version 19.6, and if you still have trouble, let me
know. I haven't looked at Targa for a *long* time, but I believe it
worked in 19.6.

Tim


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:04:00 -0600

A number of people have suggested a softcopy version of Fractal
Creations 2nd Edition.

Unfortunately the Waite Group never supplied me with the final
Pagemaker files. I have Word files of the last version I sent them,
without all the edits that I submitted as redlines on printouts. I have
all the GIF files for illustrations I created, but of course I do not
have the Waite Group produced artwork. The rights ARE mine. The
Waite Group gave them up when the book went out of print.

There are a number of approaches that could be taken, from
scanning the book to editing and upgrading the Word files. I am
open to the idea, but I am also well aware of the huge effort
needed. I am not saying no, but quite frankly I would rather spend
*my* time working on the Fractint port to
Windows/Linux/Macintosh which has been hard enough to carve
out time for.

There's a possibility that I could turn Fractal Creations into
something with a "GPL" type license and we could make it's
resurrection a group project. That's probably the only way it would
get done.

Tim


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Error message when starting FRACTINT...
Date: 30 Nov 1999 21:11:37 EST

Hi to All,

I downloaded AOL version 5 and since the download I get an error message when
I try to use FRACTINT vers. 20.

The message states: File FRACTINT.CFG is missing or invalid.

I replaced the file FRACTINT.CFG with the back-up copy that I maintain in
another directory. With the replacement CFG in place I still get the error
message.

Can anyone please help.

Regards and thanks in advance,

--Bob Carr--(Ocala, FL  USA)

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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:14:24 -0600

@le wrote:

> What is the name of the book? Fractal Creations? Though we in Argentina
> import English written books I'm not usually searching bookstores looking
> for Tim's books, maybe because I didn't know he had written one... Please do
> tell me (you, Tim, anyone) so I could buy it or request it. Have a nice
> tuesday :))

Actually my various books have been translated into quite a few
languages. Off the top of my head Portuguese, Italian, German,
and Spanish. but some of these were Image Lab rather than
Fractal Creations. I'll have to look and see what I have.

Tim


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Error message when starting FRACTINT...
Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:20:46 -0600

Hi Bob,

> I downloaded AOL version 5 and since the download I get an error message when
> I try to use FRACTINT vers. 20.
>
> The message states: File FRACTINT.CFG is missing or invalid.

Search your entire system for fractint.cfg. You can do this one
drive at a time by clicking on RUN and then FIND.

Perhaps your PATH was changed when you installed AOL 5, and
now Fractint finds an old version of Fractint.cfg. Fractint searches
all the directories listed in your PATH environment when looking for
fractint.cfg.

Fractint SHOULD work OK if fractint.cfg is in the current directory
when you start fractint. But if you just rename all your old versions
of Fractint.cfg to something else, and make sure that Fractint.cfg
is copied into a directory in your PATH. To see your path, open a
DOS window and type:

echo %PATH%

Tim


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Error message when starting FRACTINT...
Date: 30 Nov 1999 23:58:06 EST

Hi Tim,

<< But if you just rename all your old versions of Fractint.cfg to something
else, and make sure that Fractint.cfg is copied into a directory in your
PATH. To see your path, open a DOS window and type:

 echo %PATH% >>

Tim, I'm DOS very stupid. I have no idea how to open a DOS window. I tried
typing it in at the DOS prompt but nothing happened. Could you explain this
to me another way?

All other FRACTINT.CFG files were renamed and there was no change in the
problem.

Regards,

--Bob Carr--

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From: "Alejandro Gustavo Kainer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition
Date: 08 Nov 1999 13:43:37 -0300

No, no, no, Tim. Maybe I wasn't that clear. I only wanted to know if the
name of this book that the list is talking about was Fractal Creations, and
if anybody had the faintest idea (anybody means you, hehe) if this book was
distributed beyond the limits of the USA. Look, I know that it's easier for
me to go looking or asking at the bookstores, but maybe you knew that. I can
read it in English, of course, and I would like to, because sometimes
translations are terrible. AND I'm not asking you a copy of your book,
please don't misunderstand me. I just wanted to know where I can find it, or
if I have to buy it via Internet or the like.

Btw, what are your other books about? Photography? What are their names?

Thank you for answering :))

@le

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Fecha: Martes 30 de Noviembre de 1999 23:12
Asunto: RE: (fractint) Fractal Creations 2nd Edition


@le wrote:

> What is the name of the book? Fractal Creations? Though we in Argentina
> import English written books I'm not usually searching bookstores looking
> for Tim's books, maybe because I didn't know he had written one... Please
do
> tell me (you, Tim, anyone) so I could buy it or request it. Have a nice
> tuesday :))

Actually my various books have been translated into quite a few
languages. Off the top of my head Portuguese, Italian, German,
and Spanish. but some of these were Image Lab rather than
Fractal Creations. I'll have to look and see what I have.

Tim


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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: 2D slices of Julibrot
Date: 01 Dec 1999 01:43:53 -0500 (EST)

At 08:02 PM 11/29/99 -0500, John Goering wrote:

              <snipped>

>This appears to create an M-set that has been magnified by a factor of
>the sqrt(2).  Apparently, slicing the Julibrot at this particular angle
>exposes a magnified M-set.  Does anyone know why this happens?

It happens because there actually are two slices that cut the 4-D
Julibrot in perfect Mandelbrot sets.  The multirot-XY-ZW formula below
draws this oversized M-set if p1 is set to 45,45  p2 and p3 are set
to 0, and the functions are set to ident,flip.  I call this second
M-set the shadow set.  It is double-rotated halfway between the
Mandelbrot and Julia planes.

>2) I sure wish that Fractint had 8 parameters for formulas instead of
>just 6.

Me too!  10 would be even better.  Developers, hint, hint.

>3) If anyone would like to see the mathematical derivation of this
>formula, I would be willing to post it.

Yes, post the math derivation.  I'm still trying to find a single
formula that with only 6 variable parameters can draw all the oblique
slices through any point of the the Julibrot.

The two formulas below can fix any point in the 4-D Julibrot on the
screen and rotate the slice around this point.  But I had to give up
some rotations to achieve this.  The rotations, which are set by p1,
are in degrees.  The second formula works only with the two functions
set to ident,flip or flip,ident.  You will soon recognize the slices.
I have given the four new slices the names Parabolic, Oblate, Elliptic
and Rectangular to go with the well-known Julia and Mandelbrot slices.

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multirot-XZ-YW {; Jim Muth
; p1= 0,0=para, 90,0=obl, 0,90=elip, 90,90=rect
e=exp(flip(real(p1*.01745329251994))),
f=exp(flip(imag(p1*.01745329251994))),
z=f*real(pixel)+p2, c=e*imag(pixel)+p3:
z=sqr(z)+c,
|z| <= 36  }

multirot-XY-ZW {; draws 6 planes and many rotations
;when fn1-2=i,f, then p1 0,0=M, 0,90=O, 90,0=E, 90,90=J
;when fn1-2=f,i, then p1 0,0=M, 0,90=R, 90,0=P, 90,90=J
a=real(p1)*.01745329251994, b=imag(p1)*.01745329251994,
z=sin(b)*fn1(real(pixel))+sin(a)*fn2(imag(pixel))+p2,
c=cos(b)*real(pixel)+cos(a)*flip(imag(pixel))+p3:
z=sqr(z)+c,
|z| <= 36  }

===========================================================

Jim Muth
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