From: Ton =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=FCckert?= <mojoto@plex.nl>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Irwin's response to the NYTimes article
>Irwin posted this to the Outsider Music list:
>However, in the interests of clarifying the public record, I submit the
>following comments to the List. (In some cases, it is possible the
>inaccuracies or omissions are attributable to editors who altered the
>author's original text.)
Well, thanks Lou (and Irwin) for clearing that up, it was about slightly
more than minor corrections, I think...
Cheers, Ton
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:08:33 -0400
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: (exotica) Chaino "Jungle Echoes"
Chaino and his African Percussion Safari
"Jungle Echoes"
(Omega Records)
Another "known" record that's been well covered previously (see Issue #17 of Cool & Strange Music Magazine, for one), but hey, I lucked into my own copy, so I get my own 2 cents on it.
Some of these old records we find aren't really as exciting as we might like them to be, so we perhaps rationalize them or alter our expectations in order to increase our enjoyment. Or concentrate on the favorite cuts and ignore the stinkers. Or go all ironic until the irony negates itself out of existence.
But this is not one of those records.
This is a wonderful, quirky, unique powerhouse of a record. All percussion, all the time, with some scattered vocalizing over top. As it started off, I thought, "Oh yeah, it IS pure percussion." After a couple of minutes, I began thinking, "Errm, this could get a little boring." But after a couple of cuts, I tuned in to Chaino's groove, and... it was a groove the rest of the way. It's not a simple pound-pound-pound affair... there is subtlety, there is nuance. He has a unique groove and phrasing to what he does. At the same time, there is an air of primitivism to the affair. This is not a smoothy session, no, plenty of rough energy burning here. There are birdcalls, but hard, threatening birdcalls. And of course, there is the legendary "Jungle Chase" (I sure hope those folks got away from those mean ol' lions). In an odd way, I can imagine this record coming from the early 80s -- that terrific little period of anything-goes, DIY, post-punk eclecticism. It has the sort of energy th
at was floating around at that time.
So, yeah, you could say I like this record.
How do Chaino's other records compare?
Anyone know of similar records by other artists?
I'll note: Art Blakey - "Orgy In Rhythm" Vols. 1 and 2 (Blue Note). Drums, drums, drums. A 1957 session led by Art Blakey with three more jazz drummers; Sabu heading the Latin percussion section; piano, bass and Herbie Mann on flute. Done off the cuff, but nicely structured. Disciplined, but loose. Lots of horsepower driven with intelligence. Blue Note reissued it a few years ago as a 2-on-1 CD. Tipped to it by absent list-pioneer, Tony Wilds. And thanks again for that. Excellence.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:18:05 +0200
From: Ton =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=FCckert?= <mojoto@plex.nl>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shorty Rogers
>You might also want to check out the ST to Man with
>the Golden Arm (a jazz musician's struggle with heroin
>and daily existence in the underworld halflight). I
>think Elmer Bernestein is credited with the score -
>but Shorty Rogers and His Giants do several fine
>tracks on this record.
I recently picked up a couple of them (CD's), anyone for a trade?
Cheers, Ton
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <sophisticatedsavage@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Chaino "Jungle Echoes"
- --- "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com> wrote:
...And of course, there is the legendary
> "Jungle Chase" (I sure hope those folks got away
> from those mean ol' lions).
It sounds more like "Jungle Love", to me - but that
could be no more than what's attached to the ear of
this listener. Great lp, in any case.
> Anyone know of similar records by other artists?
Check out Tito Puente's Tambo (my copy of this lp has
Tito banging away with a semi-clad witchdoctor in a
> Subject: (exotica) Luis Baclav a reprise - Who is Rocky Roberts?
>
> Still not had a chance to read those Giugliaro magazines, but listened to
> the EP's a few times. The track by Luis Baclav that my friend said sounded
> like an Italian Elvis Impersonator was actually sung by Rocky Roberts. Its
> a great track, rips along like Tom Jones in early 70's RnB mode. His voice
> reminds me of early 60's uptempo British Rock'n'Roll/RnB. I've been trying
> to work out who, maybe the Pretty Things. Great stuff
>
> I couldn't find out much about him, most of the sites seem to be in Italian,
> German or Spanish. And with the translations being what they are, but he
> seems to be American, an RnB singer that moved to Europe. Is there anything
> else this groovy by him?
Anything Rocky recorded in the 6Ts is damn groovy, be it in english
or italian language.
He actually started his career in France, in the late 50's, with the
Airedales, a band made of U.S black marines/soldiers who took the
land by storm with their blend of genuine rock'n'roll. In the 60's he
crossed the Alps and landed in Italy, where he stayed ever since.
His 6Ts stuff is jamesbrownish stomping uptempo soul floorshakers,
the kind that make you wanna sweat to the beat.
Great guy, great music. Gotta love him.
Ciao
Gionni
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:26:57 -0400
From: nytab@pipeline.com
Subject: (exotica) The LP Show
If anyone gets to this show before I do, I'd love to hear a report!
lousmith@pipeline.com
'THE LP SHOW' With installations by John Zorn, Thurston Moore, DJ Spooky, and Christian Marclay (whose piece involves 80 identical Tijuana Brass LPs), this show of more than 2500 weird and wonderful album covers is not just for vinyl junkies. Organizer Carlo McCormick focuses on the LP sleeve as a popular, often anonymous, and now all but extinct art form lovingly preserved by collectors, over 50 of whom are listed as contributing curators. Along with their accumulations of Hawaiian, Japanese, and Christian ventriloquist albums, there are surveys of work by graphic artists from the '30s to the present, including Frank Kozik, Art Chantry, and Foetus. OPENS SATURDAY, THROUGH AUGUST 17, Exit Art, 548 Broadway, at Prince Street, 966-7745.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:46:50 -0400
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Chaino "Jungle Echoes"
At 04:08 PM 6/11/01 -0400, m.ace wrote:
>
>Chaino and his African Percussion Safari
.>
>This is a wonderful, quirky, unique powerhouse of a record. All
percussion, all the time, with some scattered vocalizing over top. As it
started off, I thought, "Oh yeah, it IS pure percussion." After a couple of
minutes, I began thinking, "Errm, this could get a little boring.".
It's funny that you did that little intro about how the records we find are
often better in the anticipation than in the actual hearing. You claim
this isn't such a record.
I think it qualifies myself. Another way to describe some of the records
we're looking for is "I love the IDEA but I wonder if I'll enjoy the record".
I like the fact that this is nothing but percussion. I like that people
made records like that. But I've never heard one that actually sustained
my interest past one play, if that far. Once upon a time I liked drum
solos. Now not so much.
Having said that, if I saw another Chaino - or Kaino - record, I'd probably
pick it up.
AZ
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:33:24 -0700
From: Chuck Collazzi <chucklps@pacbell.net>
Subject: (exotica) Any "lounge"-type musicians in the L.A. area on this list?
Please contact me off-list.
Thanks.
Chuck Collazzi
Vinyl Plus Music Exchange
16250 Ventura Blvd., Suite 165
Encino, California 91436 USA
(818) 995-3727
"Our Records Are Endangered Species Under The Federal Hipness Protection
Act"
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:57:53 -0400
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Today's Arrivals
At 06:25 PM 6/11/01 EDT, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote:
>
>This came in today
>
>Walter Wanderly - "Brazilian Blend" Phillips Stereo. Real nice and i can't
>get enough of Walter at times, though I'm saturated.
I believe even you Jimmy can reach a point where you have enough Walter.
Each record on its own is good but those ones with just bass and drums -
even if it is the great Bobby Rosengarden - are a bit too much the same.
Recently I had a Walter purge. I kept four of the eight I had:
Moondreams - because it has that CTI sound
Popcorn (with Luiz Henrique) - because it sounded different than the others
Samba So - because it was recorded in Brazil and even though I wouldn't try
to sell the idea that he made better records before he left Brazil, there
is something more dynamic about this record
and.. Brazil's Greatest hits - because that's the one he plays synthesizer on
Recently at the Goodwill store of all places, I found another one and
bought it because what the hell, I was surprised to find Walter Wanderley
at the Goodwill AND I liked the groovy title - even though I've seen it on
other records - and the groovy cover.
"Organ-ized"
It too seems somehow more genuine, more Brazilian, less watered down.
I wonder what BJ would say about my pronouncements.
So how many Walters do you have Jimmy?
AZ
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:53:34 EDT
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Today's Arrivals
In a message dated 6/11/1 8:48:57 PM, DJJimmyBee wrote:
>>So how many Walters do you have Jimmy?
>
>Motor Comp, Scamp Comp and about 6 LP's
which, off the top, are "Murmurio", "Rain Forest", "Chechanga", "Batucada",
"Brazilian Organ", "From Rio With Love", "When It Was Done", & "Brazil's
Greatest Hits" (1980, GNP Crescendo)
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:48:57 EDT
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Today's Arrivals
In a message dated 6/11/1 7:54:15 PM, azed@pathcom.com wrote:
>So how many Walters do you have Jimmy?
Motor Comp, Scamp Comp and about 6 LP's
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:04:57 -0700
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Raymond Scott Question
For quite a while, I've been avoiding paying too much for the
Columbia "Raymond Scott's Drawing Room" LP because I figured
it was just dubby, echo chambered versions of the original
30's recordings. The other day, I picked up "Columbia's Hall
of Fame: Ballroom Bandstand" which included two Raymond
Scott cuts. Sure enough, The Toy Trumpet was a dubby, echo
chambered version, but the version of In An 18th Century
Drawing Room was a modern hi-fi recording. I assume these
are the same tracks that are included on the RS's Drawing
Room LP...
Which cuts on the LP are newly recorded, and which are the
dubby dub dubs? Are there enough newly recorded tracks to
make the LP worth the crazy price?
See ya
Steve
Stephen Worth
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It's true, this collection is on LP vinyl, NOT CD format...BUT it's also
true that the collection has been meticulously protected, and is in PRISTINE
condition.
There are TWO (2) sound effects libraries offered together as one package,
offering every imaginable sound in this gallaxy, and a few from neighboring
gallaxies!
The Valentino sound effects library is a creative-guru's dream, and consist
of 30 clean and pampered LP's, with an ideal index manual included.
The second library is the famous B.B.C. 'Films For The Humanities' library,
which consist of 50, (yes FIFTY) pristine LP's. Those meticulous Brits have
certainly outdone themselves with this collection! This one's also profusely
indexed by it's own quite informative manual and index.
www.digibid.com/item/showItem.cfm?aid=63649
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:03:00 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <nminer@jhmi.edu>
Subject: (exotica) Weekend goodies.....
Found a few interesting LP's this weekend, haven't listened to them yet:
Enoch Light: "The Private Life of a Private Eye" - includes titles like =
Harlem Hot-Shot in a Hurry and Mess in Morocco. Can't possibly be as good =
as I'd like it too.............
Enoch Light: "I Want to Be Happy Cha Chas" - a classic, and I finally have =
a copy on vinyl. What's up with those weird boxed in "art" covers. I =
think the LP mentions somehting about "fine art!!!"=20
"The Enchanted Tiki Room" - Vinyl isn't in too bad a shape, but has =
definitely been in the hands of an adoring kiddie. Mostly surface =
scratches. The jacket and booklet are in great shape except the album =
does have a seam split at the bottom. There wasn't any dust jacket - but =
for a quarter I can't complain! If you look closely at one of the photos =
there's a guy waiting to get into the tiki room wearing a fez!
Milt Raskin "Exotic Percussion" - Again, another one with great titles =
like Pele's Creation and Forbidden, but I doubt it'll live up to expectatio=
ns. The cover has a primitive b&w print transfer of multiple hands in =
"motion" hitting an invisible congo drum.
I didn't buy a few Korean LP's of women singing American "moldy oldies" =
like Singing in the Rain, etc. The songs just made me shudder. But to =
hear them in Korean would be cute - the band leader was a great "Sinatra" =
type with suite and pinky ring. =20
- - Nate
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:55:09 +0800
From: "William" <king8egg@ms60.url.com.tw>
Subject: (exotica) miyoshi umeki
hi all,
i recently picked up this disc by miyoshi umeki. she came up in a
discussion on the p5 list regarding the song sayonara. anyway, the disc's
name is "miyoshi sings for arthur godfrey" and the cover features a picture
of miyoshi(in a kimono) sitting with godfrey. the cover also says "miyoshi
umeki sings american songs in japanese", when i read that i thought the
songs would all be in japanese but only portions of the songs are in
japanese. the songs are pretty much straight ahead vocal tracks, songs that
would fit in nicely with rosemary clooney or doris day. that sort of thing,
very good and very nice. this is a japanese reissue, but the cd sleeve is
cardboard to emulate a record label, and looks pretty much like a miniature
record jacket. i wish more cds were packaged this way. there are two
versions of the song "sayonara" on here. one is a bonus track. one is
written by yoshida/morgan and the other is written by irving berlin. anyone
have any idea which version came first? they are very similiar.
one of the things that motivated me to pick this up was that when she
came up on the p5 list it was revealed that in addition to her singing
career she played the japanese maid on the courtship of eddie's father. at
the time i had no idea how famous she was, but i have since learned that she
was a regular on the arthur godfrey show for many years - it almost seems
odd that i don't recall hearing much about her before.
a week or so after picking up this disc, i picked up another miyoshi
disc, but i don't like it quite as much. its simply called "miyoshi"(same
great packaging though). it seems more straight ahead, all sung in english.
maybe it still just needs to grow on me.
other recent purchases include a disc by the swingle singers - which is
ok, but i think i may of been expecting it to swing a little more. i like
it, but maybe i'm not head over hells over it quite yet. through the help of
fellow list member larry - i managed to get it without having to pay 8 bucks
in postage. and i'm very happy to have it too! hearing all this great music
from classic don knott's movies made me want to see those movie's again.
especially "the ghost and mr. chicken" though it appears that it hasn't been
re-issued on dvd yet. :(
william in taipei.
ps. does anyone know if there is a good web page out there about anita kerr?
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:25:53 -0400
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Subject: Re: (exotica) Shorty Rogers
Well I know its not a Shorty Rogers record... far from it actually... but
Alan did mention he wanted some crime jazz recommendations and I just got
this one, so here goes:
Various Artists - Strassenfeger (Originalmusik aus den deutschen Thriller -
Kultserien). This one includes Erwin Halletz, Joe Jerkins, Gerhard Narholz,
Peter Thomas, Heinz Frank, Hans-Martin Majewski, Berry Lipman, Siegfried
Franz, Martin Botttcher, Sam Spence, etc. Although I have a few of the
tracks (Erwin Halletz and Peter Thomas), this CD is by far better than any
of the four Kriminalfilmusik series compilations and in some ways closer in
affinity to Gert Wilden's brand of sound but with a very crime jazz theme.
Good liner notes although completely in German. The one problem is I had to
have it sent to me from Germany as the label Cinesoundz doesn't seem to be
available here in Canada. Anyone else want to second this recommendation?
Brian
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:58:21 -0400
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Road trip-Route 66
Colleen wrote:
> I know a lot has been lost to the interstate, but I hear there's a lot
still left of the > Mother Road. If anyone knows anything, let me know.
I forgot I had planned to reply to this and just found it in my drafts
folder. Sorry for the delay! Anyway, this is one of two road trips I've
always thought would be fun (the other is a road trip through the barbecue
belt). I've never seen that much of Route 66 but while in Albuquerque a few
years back we were on it and didn't actually realize it! We were driving
around the outskirts of the city, were amazed at the sheer scale of the
strip development; Instead of the usual used car lots, the strip was filled
with enormous lots of used RV's and mobile homes. I remembered seeing a few
old road signs and something with Route 66 marked on it. It was then we
figured it out! I certainly enjoyed New Mexico although I suspect it may
not be at all like its neighbours, Arizona or Texas. I say go for it!
Brian
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:43:57 EDT
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Weekend goodies.....
In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001 9:04:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Nathan Miner" <nminer@jhmi.edu> writes:
<<
Found a few interesting LP's this weekend, haven't listened to them yet:
Enoch Light: "The Private Life of a Private Eye" - includes titles like Harlem Hot-Shot in a Hurry and Mess in Morocco. Can't possibly be as good as I'd like it too.............
It is pretty good...I found it a few years back while I was into Crime Jazz heavily (and exclusively for this list's purpose---back in '94 when i was unaware of this movement) and still own it...Its right up there with his two or three top LP's
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:48:02 -0400
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Chaino "Jungle Echoes"
>>This is a wonderful, quirky, unique powerhouse of a record. All
>percussion, all the time, with some scattered vocalizing over top. As it
>started off, I thought, "Oh yeah, it IS pure percussion." After a couple of
>minutes, I began thinking, "Errm, this could get a little boring.".<
>
>It's funny that you did that little intro about how the records we find are
>often better in the anticipation than in the actual hearing. You claim
>this isn't such a record.
>I think it qualifies myself.
I'm a little unclear here... are you saying you've also listened to the record and found it disappointing, or are you saying I'm in denial about rationalizing it myself?
I'll assume the latter for the moment (there's nothing to dispute about the former, of course).
No, my adjustment to the record wasn't one of those rationalization deals, but just getting oriented to his groove. Kind of like the first time you listen to, say, Blind Willie Johnson, and it takes you some time to find your feet.
Also, the vocalizing on the opening track, "Jungle Chase" is so outrageous (aye, Ben, despite the liner note misdirections, something like "Jungle Whoopie" would be a more apt title) you can't really take in the music. If the whole album were like that track, I think I would find it kind of tedious.
But overall, I find it pretty interesting. The grooves breathe, he has unique phrasing. Rather than being a simple "pound-pound" affair, it has an atmosphere that sort of reminds me of James "Blood" Ulmer or Ronald Shannon Jackson... that late 70s/ early 80s Coleman-schooled scene. Except simpler and rougher.
>Another way to describe some of the records
>we're looking for is "I love the IDEA but I wonder if I'll enjoy the record".
>I like the fact that this is nothing but percussion. I like that people
>made records like that. But I've never heard one that actually sustained
>my interest past one play, if that far.
It can go astray pretty easily. But I like to hear it attempted at least. Rhythm all on its own has a purity and power that I can really enjoy. When you bring in tonal instruments with melody and harmony, the percussion gets hobbled into a subservient role pretty quickly. At the least, it's a different perspective that's good to try now and then.
>Once upon a time I liked drum
>solos. Now not so much.
At this point in time, I find it hard to imagine many things funnier than a rock drum solo. The 70s had to be the golden age for funny drum solos, with all those 'everything and the kitchen sink' drumkits. Don't forget the gong!
But getting back to expectations... I think I prefer to have my expectations defied and have the music smack me around and challenge my tastes. Chaino was a bit like that... from everything I've heard, I expected the album to be more of a busy pounder, but it turned out to be a bit more subtle, which I rather preferred. Unfortunately, our expectations are probably more often simply let down. Best to try to avoid expectations.
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