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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:16:32 EDT
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sandpipers "Guantanamera"
In a message dated Tue, 29 May 2001 11:16:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chuck <chuckmk@yahoo.com> writes:
You are so right M.Ace when you say the Sandpipers are among the
softest pop. Only the Fleetwoods or the Phil Spector/Teddy Bears'
song "To Know Him Is to Love Him" is perhaps as soft. I kinda
think these two bands set the stage for late 1960's soft pop bands
like the Sandpipers. Its enlightening to compare the soft pop
sound of the Sandpipers to the sunshine pop sound of the
Association with their ba da ba das.
Guantanamera and Louie Louie are fabulous remakes! This makes
Guantanemera my favorite lp by them. They kept this formula up in
later releases. I don't understand where all the A & M releases
are but they do seem to trickle in at thrifts.
Another cool label with this sound, White Wale has been collected
by Verese Saraband on cd. Check out the song 1900 Yesterday for a
similar sound to the Sandpipers.
Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck
- --- "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com> wrote:
The Sandpipers also do good e-z versions of "Misty Roses" and "Never Can Say Goodbye....Packaging is another thing to notice. For example on the LP with "Guantanemera" (I think), each Sandpiper--Latinos all--is pictured from a distance, strolling along an idyllic beach, waves washing ashore, gulls squaking overhead. Superimposed is a close-up image of the presumed object of their collective thoughts--a blonde-haired blue-eyed lass, seemingly of Northern European extraction!...JB
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:21:54
From: "Robert McKenna" <rmckenna@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sandpipers "Guantanamera"
Its enlightening to compare the soft pop
>sound of the Sandpipers to the sunshine pop sound of the
>Association with their ba da ba das.
>
Hang on, did the association break with the time honoured sunshine pop
formula of da ba da ba?
That's revolutionary behaviour.
rob
PS i posted a caveat to my comments on Dutch food excusing the very fine
cheeses, coffees, teas, chocolate and other fine goods such as cigars. but i
did it from another email address and can't be bothered digging it up again.
so you're right cheryl.
PPS now i don't feel so guilty about the Sandpipers tracks i have and don't
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:58:58 +0200
From: Moritz R <tiki@netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sandpipers "Guantanamera"
alan zweig schrieb:
>
> How can you hate the Sandpipers?
> I don't understand this.
> Where does this prejudice against soft things come from?
> I wonder if it's macho indoctrination. Hard is good; soft is for sissies
> and housewives.
I think disliking soft may have other reasons too. As for me sometimes I like soft, sometimes not. Sometimes soft just means somewhat unexciting, it doesn't grab me enough, for instance when I listen to music in the car. It's a mood thing. Soft often referres to sentimental and when I am not at all sentimental I may even hate soft a bit. A generalization doesn't work here very well. I wish there was more soft humorous music, or at least campy soft, like Claudine Longet, that's a kind of soft I can almost always hear, whereas the Sandpipers don't have that certain sense of humor "between the lines". Or maybe I just don't hear it.
Did someone mention that this album is out on CD for quite a while?
> Brian's mention of Staalplaat prompted me to wonder whether
> Basta have their own shop?
Nope, they don't.
Marco
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:53:43 -0400
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: (exotica) sorry
I know it's stupid to complain about the state of the list or the
relatively low frequency of lively discussion. I know it's silly,
especially for new members, to complain about a previous time - two years
ago I'd say - when the discussion was livelier. (Meaning that more people
were mentioning more records and getting more responses and opinions and
recommendations from more other people.)
But once upon a time, my stupid unanswerable musings were one of the things
that made the list more lively and I thought I'd try a group goose just to
see what fell out of the trees.
I shouldn't have bothered. Or maybe I should have said
"The Stu Philips soundtrack to "Follow Me" which appears to be a movie
about a trip around the world (to surf?) is actually one of the best pure
exotica records I've ever heard"...
and seen if anyone except James Brouwer commented.
I was bored. I turned to this list to provide me with distraction. It
didn't. I whined.
Nuff said.
AZ
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:54:30 +0100 (BST)
From: ronnie.edgar@lineone.net
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sandpipers "Guantanamera"
Alan Zweig Wrote
>How can you hate the Sandpipers?
>I don't understand this.
>Where does this prejudice against soft things come from?
>I wonder if it's macho indoctrination. Hard is good; soft is for sissies
>and housewives.
>I like soft. And more and more, I dislike hard.
>And it's not just because I've climbed into the Viagra demographic.
After this post I decided to give the sandpipers One More Chance, as AZ's posts tend to be well informed, and his taste usually good.
I pulled out the LP from my stack, noted the rather lovely cover, of the chaps sitting on a porch, cleaned the LP, it is rather scratchy, but that can sometimes be nice.
Placed the LP eagerly on my turntable, waited for the wonderful softness, but all i got was slushy, corporate crap, spineless with no hidden passion, now I like Astrud Gilberto, Sergio Mendez, The Free Design, all soft acts which regularly have a place on my turntable.
but this was no better than Kai Warner et al, so I for one can at least understand why someone would hate The Sandpipers, wishy washy, spineless pap.
It fulfils the worst criteria of indolent, passionless, "ear candy", and not particularly good "ear candy", that i can imagine.
Hope this hasn't trodden on too many toes.
regards
Ronnie
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:34:37
From: "Robert McKenna" <rmckenna@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sandpipers "Guantanamera"
>How can you hate the Sandpipers?
I'll admit to not being a huge fan of Peter, Paul and Mary too if you won't
beat me up. Not majorly into the Sringfields either.
Though I do have a killer now-sound easy latin funk tune on a Tom
Springfield solo album.
>I don't understand this.
>Where does this prejudice against soft things come from?
>I wonder if it's macho indoctrination.
Yes that's it. My entire personality, and most particularly my musical
tastes are informed by a macho definition of masculinity and a perception of
gender roles that would be considered unenlightened and regressive among
nandrolone pumped drugby players. That and the fact that while my pecs now
look like an american female pornstars* breasts my testicles have shrunk to
the size of dried marrowfat peas in a saggy onionsack inform my
weltanschauung
>Hard is good; soft is for sissies and housewives.
don't knock mogodon music. Musak and valium go together like Ham and Clov.
>I like soft. And more and more, I dislike hard.
>And it's not just because I've climbed into the Viagra demographic.
>
>Az
>
I've climbed into bed with music my parents would find attractive. And not
being in any way a freudian, i find that a touch repulsive. I'll largely
pass on the Sandpipers and continue to love the Free Design.
Hard?
Saw Pansonic and FM Einheit and Caspar Brotzman and Acid Mothers Temple last
week ('Acid Mothers Temple Rock Dublin', 'We Will Play NO U2'). Good loud
week. My musical moment of the week however was finding a Frankie Laine
album with a rather fine version of Misirlou on it. Soft and hard aren't
really polarisations that define my taste in music. Nor indeed, considering
the amount of people on this list who got into exotica via industrial and
noise music, is it really a defining dichotomy for exotica / non-exotica
related music. Try again.
rob
* or my beloved phrase, popular in 1920s/30s England 'leading exponant of
