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exotica-digest         Thursday, May 10 2001         Volume 02 : Number 972



In This Digest:

(exotica) stab in the dark - my weekend
Re: (exotica) Re: Rod McKuen.....
(exotica) harpsichord
Re: (exotica) stab in the dark - my weekend
(exotica) Re: Rhapsody of Steel
Re: (exotica) Rod to Carpenters
Re: (exotica) soundtrack question
Re: (exotica) record show no no
Re: (exotica) Rod to Carpenters
(exotica) Rod Mckuen
(exotica) Re: Carpenters "Superstar"
Re: (exotica) Marty and Elayne from The Dresden Room
Re: (exotica) Marty and Elayne from The Dresden Room
Re: (exotica) Marty and Elayne from The Dresden Room
(exotica) Weekend LP's follow-up.....
Re: (exotica) Weekend LP's
(exotica) Moog Generation - MP2000 number 27
(exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug
Re: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug
Re: (exotica) soundtrack question
Re: (exotica) stab in the dark - my weekend
(exotica) Rod in San Fran?
Re: (exotica) Rod McKuen.....
Re: (exotica) record show no no
Re: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug
Re: (exotica) Rod in San Fran?
Re: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug
(exotica) Beatsville vs Hippie Trip

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Micah Sittig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) stab in the dark - my weekend

So I've been lurking in the background of this list for a few months now
and I feel like I finally may have managed to get a grasp of the weirdness
in music that is appreciated here.  I picked up a couple of records at a
shop in town that tickled my newly developed fancy, would they be worth
commenting on?

The Mystic Moods Orchestra - "Emotions"

Music From STAR WARS - Performed by the Electric Moog Orchestra
(labelled "not the original soundtrack")

Trans-Electronic Music Productions, Inc. Presents:
Walter Carlos and the Well-Tempered Synthesizer
More virtuoso electronic performances of Bach, Monteverdi, Scarlatti,
Handel

- -----
In the four years I've been at Caltech, I've been to the Pasadena City
College record sale once.  Sunday mornings is just NOT a good time for
college students.

_Micah_
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Rod McKuen.....

> At 04:04 PM 5/9/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote:
> c, but has anybody else seen the film "Superstar,"
> in which the
> >Carpenters are played by Barbie dolls?

I tried to find a copy of this years ago (maybe on
this list?). I saw it at the last and now extinct
Art/porn theater in DC. Great film (esp. how they
whittle Karen/Barbie down as the Ex-Lax and purgings
take their toll). Love to find a nice bootleg. The
movie has been banned for years (Carpenter lawsuit, I think).

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:47:07 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) harpsichord

I was just going through my ebay shelves - the shelves of records I will
put on ebay if I ever qualify for a credit card - and I found a record I
should have remembered a few weeks ago when someone was asking about exotic
harpsichord.
Then again, this may be the record they first mentioned when they asked if
anyone knew of any OTHER exotic harpsichord records.
But just in case this isn't the one that started the discussion...
It's called Lonely Harpsichord "rainy night in Shangri-la" and it's by
Jonathan Knight.
tunes include bali hai, flamingo and of course quiet village.
From the liner notes:

"This is the utopian album for young romantics..."

That would be exciting enough if they stopped right there.  But no, it
continues...

"... it was designed to make every flirtation an affair to remember".

Clearly that was written before anyone had ever uttered the words "sexual
harassment".

AZ



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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:51:11 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) stab in the dark - my weekend

At 04:23 PM 5/9/01 -0700, Micah Sittig wrote:
>
>So I've been lurking in the background of this list for a few months now
>and I feel like I finally may have managed to get a grasp of the weirdness
>in music that is appreciated here.  I picked up a couple of records at a
>shop in town that tickled my newly developed fancy, would they be worth
>commenting on?

Unless they're by Celine Dion, whatever records you find can somehow be
squeezed into the territory of this list.
I'm trying to think of something else that wouldn't fit.  I guess some
people might squawk if you got too enthusiastic about a Joan Baez record.
Then again, Joan kind of sounds a bit like Yma Sumac.
Maybe not.
Anyway as it turns out the records you mention fit right in.

>The Mystic Moods Orchestra - "Emotions"

That's my favorite Mystic Moods record.  Early Morning Rain, Homeward
Bound.  Even a Rod McKuen song if you want to tie discussions together.  It
also has Moog by Paul Beaver of Beaver and Krause (non-) fame.
This record could hardly be more relevant to this list.  In fact it's so
relevant, that I'm tempted to demand an apology for your asking if it's
relevant.

>Music From STAR WARS - Performed by the Electric Moog Orchestra
>(labelled "not the original soundtrack")

It's Moog.  Comment away.  Tell us whether it's the good kind of cheesy
moog or the bad kind of Keith Emerson moog.

>Trans-Electronic Music Productions, Inc. Presents:
>Walter Carlos and the Well-Tempered Synthesizer
>More virtuoso electronic performances of Bach, Monteverdi, Scarlatti,
>Handel

Hmm. Well this may be the one yawner in the batch.  Then again, this record
is so well-known that perhaps many of us pass it over, wrongly assuming we
know what it is.  I must admit that I did that with the Tijuana Brass for
the longest time but there are some good cuts I didn't know on their
records.  That goes double for the Baja Marimba Band.  Which leads me to
wonder if any of you have ever heard the Murray Roman comedy record in
which he tells a story labelled "The Baja Marimba story" about a member of
the band and one of their groupies.
Sorry Micah, I used your post as a launching pad for my own selfish purposes.

I had a friend named Micah at summer camp in 1965.  He was a Jew from
Georgia.  Hebrew sounds funny with a Southern accent, let me tell you.   I
sometimes wonder about him.  But I know that has nothing to do with you.

Welcome to the list.

I wish I had something to say about Cal Tech.

AZ





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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:14:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Re: Rhapsody of Steel

In a message dated 5/8/01 12:53:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< And does anybody know anything about Dimitri Tiomkin's Rhapsody of Steel
 soundtrack?  >>

I have this and it's great!  It was commissioned by U.S. Steel and includes
the logo on the jacket. Dmitri Tiomkin composed and conducted the piece which
is 20-25 minutes long.  Side One is all instrumental.  Side Two is the same
piece with narration by Gary Merrill.  Merrill has one of those 50's bass,
macho, corny voices which describes the history of steel.  The story begins
when a meteorite crashes to the earth bringing the "metal from heaven".  He
goes on to describe the discoveries of primitive man up until the Industrial
Revolution.  Then, we are given a step-by-step description of the steel
refining process (complete with industrial sound effects and wild orchestral
accompaniment).  When we come to the present time, we are left to ponder the
possibilities of steel in the space program as we here a rocket blast off for
the moon.

The music reminds me of those films we watched in 5th grade (that were at
least 10 years old at the time) that detailed "modern technology" and the
glory of human achievement -- very American, very fifties.  The orchestra
gets their workout.  There are a lot of percussion bits and fast instrumental
passages.

Sean


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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:23:48 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rod to Carpenters

>At the same time, however, the feel-good quality of the
>Carpenters' music

Ah, but don't forget their exquisite downer tunes, such as "Goodbye To
Love". Karen's delivery just nails those tunes right into your aching heart.

And as I've mentioned before, for a less typical Carpenters album, get
"Ticket To Ride" (originally titled "Offering"). As their first album, it
precedes the format lockdown that occurred after their first big hit with
the second album.


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:37:45 -0700
From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) soundtrack question

don't cha think Doin' the Dentist (Cactus Flower)  is kinda groovy?



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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:26:47 -0400
From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) record show no no

Alan Zweig:

> my collecting habits have taken that "quality instead of quantity"
> twist.  If you're buying fistfuls of dollar and two dollar records and
> taking a chance on most of them, that's one thing.  But these days I
almost
> have to force myself to buy that kind of record.
I remember having this conversation before but I think Alan has come around
to seeing my way of record shopping.  I used to justify it with the argument
of not having the time to look for cheaper things but I realized not so long
ago that time wasn't a factor as there just wasn't much out there of much
value at giveaway prices and there wouldn't likely be more coming.  Many
disagreed with me at the time but in our City at least it still holds true.

> For the most part, the records that catch my eye are either soundtracks or
soft > pop psychedelia.... for the most part this stuff goes for upwards of
fifteen
> dollars.
There are a few types of records that you really don't want to find yourself
interested in, as the scarcity and subsequent cost of originals is simply
mind boggling!  Two of the worst offenders are Krautrock and Psychedelia.
So Alan you've possibly picked yourself up an expensive habit.  Better begin
withdrawl soon or it could become even more painful... think of  Will and
those 50's movie posters...  The problem is the $15 records in this area are
probably the bottom end. The really good ones will run three to four
figures!

> If you're wrong half the time, that's a lot of money wasted.  And it's
> profoundly more disappointing to drop the needle on a fifteen dollar
record
> only to find out it's a bad boogie rock band than it is to drop it on a
one
> dollar record and find out there's no groovy organ flourishes. For the
kind of
> record I'm attracted to, I need a store where I can actually play the
thing.
This is the reason I dropped my wantlist. It contained a lot of  things
related to music I already knew, that someone else mentioned, or that I read
about and thought I needed to have. But we were talking records that are
nearly non-existent and if you happen to find them, can run $50+ for a 7".
We've become so used to listening to records in stores (for the benefit of
the Europeans this was something you could not readily do in North America
until not so long ago) that buying from a stall or even a mail order without
hearing is a risk we no longer feel comfortable taking. If you're a reseller
then you know the value and buy accordingly at these fairs, but if its the
music you're after, its not so simple anymore.

> The four records that broke my heart on Sunday were
> Central Nervous System (psychedelic cover, Tom Wilson production.  I got
> carried away.  It actually IS what it looks like and it's not something I
want.)
I don't know Alan, if its Psych you're after, and its beginning to look tha
way,  I'd look to a number of samplers out there, from the easier to find
"Peace, Love & Poetry" series on QDK to some of the more offbeat ones like
"A lethal dose of Heavy Psych?" and many more you should find in the
'various-retro' bins. It sometimes is a fine line between what is  Psych,
what is Prog(ressive), and what is that horrible Canterbury sound that I
simply can't stand! I'm far from an expert in this area. I've dabbled a bit
and been disappointed more often than pleasantly surprised, so tread
carefully!!!

Brian



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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:30:05 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rod to Carpenters

on 5/9/01 10:23 PM, m.ace at [e-mail] wrote:

> Ah, but don't forget their exquisite downer tunes, such as "Goodbye To
> Love". Karen's delivery just nails those tunes right into your aching heart.

and let's not really forget their hymn to the space age - "Calling Occupants
of Interplanetary Craft (The Recognized Anthem Of World Contact Day)"

that's The Carpenters are they're surrealistic best. Although I still have a
spot in my heart for "Close To You"

br cleve



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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:59:02 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Rod Mckuen

Perhaps thats where it falls down for Rob (seeing as he's Irish and
all.........)
And this is a deeply felt thing with Rob,  I've seen his rant before.
But i thought that most of the Brel translations to English where late Doc
Pomus.

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Ben Waugh said:
If the translator is fluent in each language - and by
fluency I mean that s/he possesses a /French/ and an
/American/ consciousness (which is really nothing but
an interpretive comportment in/formed by language and
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:18:17 -0400
From: "Robert Cohen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Carpenters "Superstar"

> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:04:52 -0500
> From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Rod McKuen.....

> My sentiments exactly.  Somehow I knew the moment would appear when I
could
> bring this up, but has anybody else seen the film "Superstar," in which
the
> Carpenters are played by Barbie dolls? At first I thought that the gimmick
> of dolls was silly, but the longer I watched the more interesting it
became
> and the less I noticed the dolls.  The success of the film, as I saw it,
was
> that it presented fascinating connections between the Carpenters' success
> and the national sense of disgrace that had set in with the failings of
the
> war in Vietnam.  At the same time, however, the feel-good quality of the
> Carpenters' music masked the unpleasant realities of Karen's struggle for
> control of her body (which the film largely, and perhaps unfairly--I'm in
no
> position to judge--blames on her parents) just as it made the country feel
> good at a time when we were about to lose the war and the president was
> about to be revealed as a crook.  My explanation may not do justice to the
> connections the film makes, but I went away from the film with a very high
> opinion of it and amazed at how thoroughly those tunes evoked the feeling
of
> the early 70s (and I hated those sappy sentimental tunes back then).
>     Unfortunately, the Carpenters' family has disallowed the use of the
> songs in "Superstar" (since they, understandably, disapprove of it), so
the
> film is only available (as far as I know) in very grainy bootleg copies.
> Diehard Carpenters fans may hate it, but I thought it was great.

I think you can love the Carpenters and still recognize the brilliance of
"Superstar".  My copy is at least 6 generations old, and barely watchable,
but worth the effort.  If there is accuracy in the film, then Karen should
have ripped herself away from her family, and she might still be with us
today.  OTOH, she might not have created all that great music.
I believe that Richard is the one who suppressed the film (I've been told
this, but cannot confirm it).  I suspect that the implications in the film
that he is homosexual may have contributed to his desire to ban the movie.
Clayton, I think the connections you make between the Carpenter saga and the
mood of the country at the time are valid.  But then, that's just your and
my opinion.  Let's hear from others who have seen the film.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:02:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Marty and Elayne from The Dresden Room

In a message dated 5/4/01 10:42:13 AM Atlantic Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Hi Tiki Bob

 I caught them at the Dresden Room and thought I was in paradise!

 Is the Dresden Room still a happening place?

 Easy listening in the Big Easy
 Chuck
  >>

The Dresden Room is still a very happening place.  And the "newbie" or "wanna
be" factor has tapered off.  I would highly recommend anyone going to LA to
plan a few hours at The Dresden.

The owners are Carl Ferraro and his son, Jim Ferraro.  The nicest people you
can meet.  Carl is easy to spot. He usually wears a white suit and a bright
red shirt.  So typical of the 60-ish atmosphere of the place.

Marty and Elayne are so bad that they are good!  (Those who have seen them
know what I am talking about).  If you talk to them they end up singing your
name in a song sometimes.  It is a blast.

And on the lines of a blast:  the house speciality drink is The Blood and
Sand.

The whole scene is so lounge --- from the bar, to the music to the "dinning
room."

BTW,  the food is good and not expensive.  Your basic steaks, fish, pastas
etc.  None of that California cuisine with portions the size of an egg roll.
It's like a nice restaurant from the 60's -- where you would go for drinks,
dinner and a show.

It is lots of fun.  If you go, tell them I sent you.  And they know me by my
alterpersona, the somewhat respectiful eye doctor from South Carolina.  Tell
em I sent you.

TB


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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:03:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Marty and Elayne from The Dresden Room

In a message dated 5/4/01 12:17:12 PM Atlantic Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Yeah, it was all over the "Survivor" finale last night (they sang "I Will
 Survive").

 Weren't they also featured in "Swingers?"

 Later,
 Ben
  >>

Yes they were.   And some pictures of The Dresden were in the Esquire article
a few years back that explained the Lounge phenomenon.

TB


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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:25:15 -0400
From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Marty and Elayne from The Dresden Room

Carl -- at the Dresden room -- was so suave; as you say, a nice suit, and a
flower in his lapel.  And the food is classic and of high quality.  Johanne
and I had lunch there last May, and I felt like I'd just signed a low-level
meal deal and gone out to celebrate.   We didn't even catch Marty and
Elayne, but it's one of my favourite LA spots.


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Department of Art History and Communications Studies
McGill University
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Canada

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:08:49 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Weekend LP's follow-up.....

Okay, it turns out that "Diamond Head Sabre Dance" is a fun little =
original tune from Sammy Kaye on his "Sing and Sway in Hawaii" LP.  The =
cut sounds like a mix between a gung ho "the army attacks" type soundtrack =
and drum/exotica.  Actually the whole LP is decent, there's some great =
arrangements with hoppin' organ - they even do Tiny Bubbles decently!!  =
Fun record.  Recommended.

The Guitar Kings "Lovin' Time" sucks......it simply sucks...........slow, =
arthritic arrangements..........

The biggest mess of an album has got to be that bizarre Dan and Dale =
"Thunderball" LP.  I listened to side 1 and it's an embarrassing mish-mash =
of genres.  There's a lame Hawaiian tune, and even a song from the =
Supremes (!) or someone like that - I've heard this tune lots of times on =
the FM oldies station here!!!  So, that sticker that says these are all =
original arrangements is a joke and a half!  All of side one except for =
one passably "spyish" tune sounds more like a bland Enoch Light "Discothequ=
e" record or something.  This is a masterpiece of ripoffery.  Very weird.  =
Can't wait to hear side two!!!

The Brass Ring "Only Love" is forgettable.

Some cool cha cha cuts on More Tea for Two Cha Chas - recommended.  The =
"Occasional Man" track wasn't so great.  But others made up for it.

- - Nate




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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Weekend LP's

I find myself rummaging less and less these days.
Maybe the thrill is going. But, I swerved off the bike
trail this past weekend to hit an antique shop where I
bought Jackie Gleason's Songs for Lovers (I think
that's the title. Now I had long ago said I would
never touch a JG lp after OOOOOh and Lonesome
Echoes... but there was that one with the sitars and
all. And then Songs for Lovers. Spoken word and
singing by Ralph Cramden. I just don't see how hearing
him recite the lyrics to September Song is going "to
make her change her mind." You have the feeling that
the thing could have been recorded in a bar. And that
if anyone there even looked as though they were about
to heckle, a well-oiled Jackie would have walked over
and popped them right in the kisser.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:38:13 +0100
From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Moog Generation - MP2000 number 27

I'm concerned. I actually like one of the comedy tracks from Jean =
Jacques
Perrey's MP2000 (no 27) library LP, Moog Generation. The LP is a =
30/30/30
split between Perrey, Harry Breuer and Pat Prilly. The standout track =
is
halfway between The Happy Moog and something from The In Sound Way Out. =
Very
Perrey and Breuer. The  rest is just childish electronic tunes with =
loads of
reverb.=20
The last one (Mig Mag Moog - no 26) had input from Andy Badale - now =
Angelo
Badalementi - and was pretty similar. I seem to remember reading in the
Incredibly Strange Music book that there is one or maybe two more - =
Moog
Expressions (no 109ish) I'm pretty sure is a compilation of the three
earlier MP2000 LPs.
Anyway, much as I love records, I love money more and as I'm trying to =
buy a
=A3240k house sacrifices must be made so MP27 is going onto Ebay in the =
next
week or so.

On another note does anybody have any idea how to get a normal audio =
input
signal into a Compaq laptop? It only has an input set at microphone =
volume
so I can't record anything. Thanks all.


Charlie

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:03:11 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug

for immediate release

Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug


Space Age Bachelor Pad Music icon Juan Garcia Esquivel has wed at the age of
83.

The bride is Carina Osorio (Garcia Esquivel*), 25. Senora Osorio has
assisted Senor Esquivel as a home health care aide for several years.

The simple ceremony, administered by a justice of the peace in late March at
Esquivel's home in Jiutepec, Mexico, was witnessed by Esquivel's son Mario,
along with Mario's wife and daughter. The reason for the delay of the public
announcement is that Esquivel did not divulge his marriage to anyone beyond
his immediate family.

Details of the knot-tying were revealed to manager Irwin Chusid during a
phone call on May 5, 2001, and elaborated upon in a subsequent phone call to
(Combustible Edison keyboardist) Br. Cleve the following day.

Esquivel described Carina as "a simple girl, who is attentive and honest."

"I am very happy, and she is too," said Juan. "We both stay up until 2:00 in
the morning, and she helps me. Our house is not too big, not too small. Just
for the two of us, it is nice. It has a garden. I got a three-month old
German shepherd dog about six months ago, and it plays in the yard. It is
getting very big."

Esquivel was a legendary pianist/bandleader/composer in Mexico before
arriving in the U.S. in 1957. He worked primarily in Hollywood, New York,
and Las Vegas, where he recorded prolifically, led an explosive big band,
and scored for TV. "Space Age Bachelor Pad Music," a 1994 compilation (on
Bar/None Records) of Esquivel's 1950s/60s RCA Victor orchestral recordings,
sparked a resurgence of interest in his work.

A film biography is in script development at Fox studios, with John
Leguizamo slated to star and Alexander Payne signed to direct.

Esquivel has resided in Mexico since leaving the United States in the 1980s.
He has been inactive in the music world for the past decade, largely due to
an aggravated spinal injury which has left him disabled. He gets around his
home with the aid of a wheelchair -- and assistance from Carina.

Juan says Carina is his sixth wife. He was married twice while residing in
the United States.

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(*The name may or may not follow Mexican custom, but this is the sequence
related by Sr. Esquivel.)



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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:20:47 -0400
From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug

I wonder if Senor Esquivel's new bride is the one who let us in when my
Mexican friend Graciela and I went to visit him in 1996.  She did seem
simple, honest and attentive at the time, if I remember correctly.

Will



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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:17:23 -0000
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) soundtrack question

>Is the soundtrack to "Joe" by Joe Butler of the Lovin Spoonful, I assume,
>groovy in any way?

I don't know about "Baby Maker" but "Joe" really ain't that great IMHO. I
remember vocals spoiling stuff that might otherwise have been ok. I think
there's a trippy part too, but it still ain't that good on the ears. I
wouldn't spend eBay bucks on it either as it'll pop up in Big Smoke often
enough for you to find it there.
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:27:38 -0000
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) stab in the dark - my weekend

> >The Mystic Moods Orchestra - "Emotions"
>
>That's my favorite Mystic Moods record.  Early Morning Rain, Homeward
>Bound.  Even a Rod McKuen song if you want to tie discussions together.  It
>also has Moog by Paul Beaver of Beaver and Krause (non-) fame.
>This record could hardly be more relevant to this list.

"Emotions" is good a good MMO lp but I think I prefer "Extensions" by them
more. Has a bit more more moog, and a weird spoken word thing, plus a
'cosmic egg' cover.
but hey,
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:31:11 -0000
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rod in San Fran?

I just found a copy of "Rod Mckuen takes a San Francisco Hippie Trip" (lots
of drug and hippie-pad references, quite cool).

My question: Is this the same lp as "Beatsville" dressed up in a different
sleeve? anyone know?

thanks
jb
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:15:14
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rod McKuen.....

>At 01:51 PM 5/9/01, Robert McKenna wrote:
> >He seems kind of cool. But he translated Brel appallingly. Absolute
> >monstrosity. La Moribunde as 'seasons in the sun' and 'Ne me quitte pas'
>as
> >'If you go away'. Utter absolute kitsch schmaltz shite.
>
>Ne me quitte pas means I suppose, don't leave me.  Do you have any
>suggestions for how that can be expressed in five syllables?

never go away, whatever. 'Quitte' isn't stressed as two syllables and one
would be a better mistake than changing it. It was a choice to distort the
song (as well as bowdlerise it). Same as with seasons in the sun (didn't
bother keeping the syllable count in that one btw) it isn't a schmaltzy
song. McKuen's version is.

>Lyrics by their very nature can't really be translated.

Mort Schumann's translations of Brel are masterful. Personal poetry true to
the nature of the songs. McKuen's aren't.
This is not offering an opinion on his other stuff. Just his translations of
Brel.

I think he might have translated Gainsbourg also, I know they were friends
in the 60s.

>If you're not French and you don't speak French, you can't really expect to
>experience an artist like Brel.  But in spite of that, people do expect it.
>  They want the untranslatable translated.
Art is about expressing the ineffable. Yes, I want that.

>That's a very American viewpoint if you don't mind me saying.
First time I've ever been accused of that! (Not offended or anything, just
surprised).
>I'm not saying that's what YOU're demonstrating here but just in general.
>Anyway I don't know why I'm defending McKuen.
>I like "if you go away" on its own.  If it turns out it's not a good
>translation, let someone else try their hand and do a better job.
The whole thing pretty much translates directly from French quite literally.

rob
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:24:31 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) record show no no

At 09:26 PM 5/9/01 -0400, Brian wrote:
.>I remember having this conversation before but I think Alan has come around
>to seeing my way of record shopping.  I used to justify it with the argument
>of not having the time to look for cheaper things .

Brian, you must know I'll never admit to having "come around".
You're not the only one who has argued "Why buy twenty records for twenty
dollars only to find you don't like any of them when you can buy ONE record
for twenty dollars that you know you'll like?"
I understand that logic but when I was buying twenty - or forty or one
hundred - records for twenty dollars, it was mostly because
1) I liked the act of looking through thousands of records and
2) I liked the records I found there and
3) you couldn't find those records anywhere other than thrift stores

The reason I've switched from quantity to so-called quality is because for
the most part I'm no longer looking for the kind of record you find in
thrift stores.

And the reason I don't buy what I want on CD - at least not very often - is
because I still hold out fantasies of DJ'ing.  In fact, I think I'm going
to make my debut in July at the Cameron.  And that's the kind of place that
doesn't have CD players.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:34:10 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug

At 11:20 AM 5/10/01 -0400, Will Straw wrote:
>  She did seem
>simple, honest and attentive at the time,

I don't know about simple but I find myself jealous of an 83 year old man.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:54:43 -0700
From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rod in San Fran?

>My question: Is this the same lp as "Beatsville" dressed up in a different
>sleeve? anyone know?


i asked this same question about a year ago on this list and never got an
answer, but as far as I can tell it is, but Beatsville was originally on Hi
Fi records (Lyman and friends) and SF Hippie trip was on  Everest Records. i
think the songs are the same but titles of songs are different on the 2
recordings. I recently got the CD version and it throws on a few xtra song
goodies  plus gives you cool fonts and "hip"bats for your computer. Its my
favorite McKuen record by far.

Which on came out first? im sure the Beatsville on was but I want to be sure

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:12:19 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Juan Garcia Esquivel KO'ed by love bug

on 5/10/01 11:20 AM, Will Straw at [e-mail] wrote:


> I wonder if Senor Esquivel's new bride is the one who let us in when my
> Mexican friend Graciela and I went to visit him in 1996.  She did seem
> simple, honest and attentive at the time, if I remember correctly.

I don't think so - he's had a different housekeeper/nurse everytime I've
been there. For awhile he had 2, one during the day and one at night. I know
this girl has been with him for over a year.

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:12:13 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Beatsville vs Hippie Trip

> I just found a copy of "Rod Mckuen takes a San Francisco Hippie Trip"
(lots
> of drug and hippie-pad references, quite cool).
> My question: Is this the same lp as "Beatsville" dressed up in a
different
> sleeve? anyone know?

'San Francisco Hippie Trip' is a resequenced and slightly cleaned up
version of
Beatsville.   They actually remove some of the more objectionable
language for
the 'Hippie Trip' Lp.

Kim Cooper of Scram Magazine had a great article on Rod McKuen comparing
the
two LPs (in issue #6 of Scram).  She compared the track 'R.S.V.P'  (from
the
late 50's Beatsville Lp) to the renamed 'Kranko's Hippie Party' (from
the late
60's Hippie Trip Lp)

The text that is in BOLD LETTERS is the text that appears on Beatsville,
but
not Hippie Trip
- -------------
Kranko's having a party.  At his pad on August Alley.  With genuine
imported Beatniks from Los Angeles and everything.  Bring your own
refreshments - as long as they wear leotards.  It should be a gas.  THE
LAST TIME HE HAD A PARTY IT WAS RAIDED AND THEY CARTED OFF TWO
POLICEWOMEN MAKING IT IN THE BACK ROOM.  Get there early though, BECAUSE
THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH ROLLAWAY BEDS TO GO AROUND.  YOU MIGHT HAVE TO
BALL WITH SOMEBODY YOU'VE ALREADY BALLED.  Kranko knows everybody -
including Freida, who strips at the drop of a bennie, and Raffia the
poet, who is not only an angry young man, but a dirty old man as well.
I like Kranko - he has wheels.  He once told a proprieter of the
Renaissance he was Woody Guthrie; had him selling tickets for a
folk-song concert .... The cat's not commercial or anything, it's just
that even the hole he lives in costs money.  SOMETIMES HE LENDS HIS PAD
TO PEOPLE TO BALL IN AND HIDES IN THE CLOSET TO WATCH -- WHEN HE DOESN'T
JOIN IN.   Anyway, he's having a party and you're invited.  If you've
got any Leadbelly or Bird records, you don't have to being any wine.
- -------------

I own the Hippie Trip LP, but not Beatsville.  Even in its cleaned up
version
though, its still a great LP.

Beatsville was released in 1958 ior 1959, Hippie Trip in the mid/late
60's.

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