In a message dated 3/27/1 6:31:06 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote:
>But is the presentation
>art in itself? Nope. The content is king.
Without getting into the intellectual sparring that has characterized this
show of shows, I would like to quote J. Geils Band from the second LP
"Ain't what you say, but how you say it" which MUST have been quoted or
plagarized from an old r&b tune, or made to approximate one.....JB/isn't
truth where U find it?
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:53:08 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age
In a message dated 3/27/1 6:31:23 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote:
>I grew up in the 70s, and
>I wouldn't go back there on a bet. It was the hands-down most tacky
>and butt-ugly decade I've had the displeasure to live through
shit...too bad u missed the 80's...now THAT was a sucky decade..JB
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:03:11 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mongoloid Choir
In a message dated 3/27/1 6:31:29 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote:
>two singers get confused about who is supposed to sing, and one bursts
>into tears in the background while the other sings his heart out. Before
>the song is over a half dozen other singers are in tears too, just out
>of empathy. Maybe the singing affected them, who knows? Perhaps with
>the whole "bad is good" thing, he could make a mint selling his tapes.
What a fucking riotttt!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully you're kidding about this sad
statement...otherwise all your other arguments are totally without soul to me
and you should hide your cynical head in shame asap. That statement and the
making of the very film is sociopathic at this address, and one that
warrants this response. I'm not against free speech, but fucking have a
little fucking decency in your efforts to extort your brand of perfection
here. Why not just get a snuff film? Itwould be less exploitative--at least
until "Le Fin"....JB/personal experience forces me to say this without any
joy whatsoever
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:51:14 EST
From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) film noir
In a message dated 3/22/01 6:22:26 PM EST, mace@ookworld.com writes:
<< I'm curious... do you folks see Fritz Lang's "M" fitting into noir? Is it
a
very early prototype, or is it just way too early to even think about that?
>>
"M" uses elements of the German expressionistic lighting that was later used
in film noir, but true film noir falls into the post WW2 to mid to late '50s
period.
Ashley
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:57:07 +0800
From: "William" <king8egg@ms60.url.com.tw>
Subject: (exotica) shanhainese pops
hi all,
a few weeks ago i picked up this disc called "the age of shanghainese
pops 1930-1970" released on EMI/PATHE hk. as the title would suggest it is a
compilation of shanghai music from the 30s-70. very good. for those who
appreciated the music in wong kar wai's IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE some of this
music is in a similiar vein and one of the tracks on this comp. was used in
that film as well. some of the music reminds me of songs i heard in our
gang/the little rascals shorts.(i don't know enough about this era to give a
better comparison though). other pieces are more jazz/big band. all the
liner notes are in chinese except for a few brief exceptions(i.e. certain
names). there are a few western covers. a version of "san francisco" from
what appears to be the 30s. another song from the 30s is by "mon. dufour".
the title appears to be something about drinking but my chinese reading
ability is still quite poor so i'm not sure. any idea as to who dufour is?
in the liner notes to another song they mention marlene dietrich and billie
holiday. looks like the chinese title is something about "you come back" but
again not sure. from '47. one song is written by j. coleman and i think it
is a cover of "changing partner" by patti page from 54-55. any ideas if that
is correct? for the most part all tracks are sung in chinese, though there
is one track from 60 sung in spanish or something - i forget now. written by
jose padilla. anyone know who he is? and finally my favourite track on the
disc sung in chinese and english was written by j. hendricks and is from 56.
the english title is "i want you to be my baby" and the english lyrics go
like this:
" listen to your mama and you never will regret it and if anybody
wonders you can tell them that i said it. the only thing i know is that i
never can forget you. i've been longing for you baby, ever since the day i
met you. i got you where i want you and i'm never gonna let you get away
from me. here's what i tell you i'm the girl for you and you better start to
face it. if you ever lose my love you know you never can replace it. i think
it's time for you to start giving me some love cause i'm carrying torch for
you that's hotter than an oven. it's time for you to give me a little turtle
loving, baby, hold me tight and do what i tell you."
does that sound familiar to anyone? it also has this sort of call and
answer bit where the singer sings one word and the background singers repeat
sort of like this : i...(i..) i want...(i want..) i want you..(i want
you...) except all sung in chinese of course. when i heard it i knew the
song. but i dont' know how. so i'm really curious as to what the original
sounds like. or who it is. any information would be greatly appreciated.
william in taipei.
ps. thanks magnus for the dvd websites!
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:37:40 -0500
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds
Magnus wrote:
> Sorry Mo, I cant find the electronic sounds from that period cool. I
was never and will never be a Kraftwerk fan. The unease I have felt
with all things plastic and unreal comes from my background as a lover
of all things old. My paranoia is that it feels like we are leaving
something I consider "essential" to man, nature, into a cyberworld
without any real values.
I can't leave this alone... The late 70's and electronic music represent to
me the best and most exciting musical years of my lifetime. I remember the
one- time motto of I believe the Holiday Inn chain "The best surprise is no
surprise". I sense Magnus' fear of the evils of the digital age and how
digitized music doesn't sound true consistent with the above observation.
There is a certain sense of safety, security and comfort in keeping things
unchanged. People by nature are highy resistant to change so it's not
surprising. But change is usually brought about by inquisitiveness and
energy, usually the youngest generations. What worries me most is the
general lack of this inquisitiveness in today's youth, despite a world of
opportunity that has never been so vast... No, my own fears are precisely
the opposite of those of Magnus! Progress means differet things to
different people....
Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:37:43 -0500
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin
Magnus wrote:
> Off course, sounds temptating, is it Careful or Gimli one should try
> out first.
I always though Gimli Hospital was the strongest of his films and it was
actually the first one I saw. You may not know that Gimli is a small town
not far from the geographic centre of North America that was settled by
Icelanders, so a potential Nordic link exists. Careful should follow, but
then it is essential to see his last film "Twilight of the Ice Nymphs" which
is his first and only venture into colour. He mentioned he was very nervous
about how he would deal with this medium, but I think he handled it
expertly. Don't know if this one had made it to DVD yet though. I taped it
off of TV if anyone can't manage to find it.
Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:37:31 -0500
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro
Alan wrote:
> And yes of course William Shatner is Canadian. And yes of course he did
> things up here before he did Star Trek. He did Shakespeare if you can
> imagine that
I have to add one small piece of trivia to this. Our own University Centre
building at McGill is referred to by all students as the Shatner Building.
It is unofficial and totally unrecognized by the University, and I've always
though it was done as a joke. He was from Montreal and went to McGill, but
maybe Will knows more about the history of this naming?
> You'll have to ask Brian, cheryl or Will for the exact ingredients but
> poutine is french fries with gravy and curds.
Yeah.. well Moritz can attest to our other food specialty, also from Quebec,
called Spruce Beer. Its a soft drink flavoured with spruce (as in the tree)
sap. I've developed quite a taste for it myself but many compare it to
dishwater. I think I failed to make a convert of Moritz though...
Anyway, having grown up blocks from the members of The Guess Who, I could
go on about this for some time. But I've probably mentioned before that
there is a veritable gold mine of music from Quebec which is really not well
known, even in the rest of Canada. Here there were home grown versions of
everything from religious and self hypnosis records, psychedelia and pop, to
country and western, all of it in French. I'm still discovering it today...
Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:48:51 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <bvergara@sfsu.edu>
Subject: RE: (exotica) shanhainese pops
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:57 PM
> jose padilla. anyone know who he is? and finally my favourite track on the
> disc sung in chinese and english was written by j. hendricks and
> is from 56.
> the english title is "i want you to be my baby" and the english lyrics go
> like this:
That's Jon Hendricks off Lambert, Hendricks and Ross for you. For a *killer*
version of this song, check out Louie Prima and Gia Maione on that Prima
documentary a while back. (I think the song is also on that Bear Family box
set.) The scene comes at a crucial part, too, since poor Keely Smith has
been summarily written off and along comes Gia, and the viewer (well, me)
groans and thinks she's a pretender to the throne, and then she suddenly
nails the song. Very impressive.
The Chinese and English version of "I Want You To Be My Baby" also shows up
in Tsai-Ming Liang's 1998 Taiwanese film "The Hole." (There are a bunch of
surreal musical numbers.) Starring one of the guys from "Vive l'Amour" and
one of the women from "Eat Drink Man Woman."
Later,
Ben
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:16:50 -0800
From: "F. Cobalt" <fcobalt@lycos.com>
Subject: (exotica) Re: mongoloid choir
>A friend of mine rents PA equipment for concerts, and >one gig he did was for a Mongoloid Choir singing a >tribute to the Beatles. They had hired a pickup band >and took turns singing the lead. My friend ran a
>tape on the show with the Producers blessing. He >played it for me once and it is just as jaw >droppingly bad as the Shaggs. In particular, there is >a hollered version of "YEDDUH-DAY" that could peel >paint off a wall.
I think your friend could make money not only off of people like us who like weird music, but obsessive Beatles fans who want every cover version around of the foursome's songs.
Mr. Unlucky
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:21:55 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Quicksilver Arguments
bigshot schrieb:
>
> >I actually believe, this was, what you quintessentially said.
> >If you see things in a more differentiated light now, the better.
>
> Hehehe... There's an interesting logical fallacy in those two
> sentences.
I don't see that, sorry.
> There ya go...
I went already. For me this discussion was over and - as I said - i appreciated your comments as much as I disagreed with some of them.
Let me just say, that in some cases my English doesn't seem to be good enough to detect every nuance or "tone" in what you, or others, said. The same goes with my own comments, which may sometimes sound to your ears different than I meant them. Especially in things philosophical it's extra hard, as I can only fall back upon terms I know from my (German) language. A literal translation often fails, as a native English speaking person not only speaks a different language, but also comes from a different education in the arts and the humanities.
I mean I'm glad that there is something like an international language and I have nothing against the fact that it turned out to be English - and not Esperanto. Although I must admit that for Germans, Dutch and Swedes English is by far easier to learn, than it is for instance for French, Italians or Spanish people, let alone Japanese. Therefore if your native language is English, you will always have a certain advantage. I only hope you keep this in mind a bit and take not for granted that the rest of the world speaks your language!
And let me say something else - and I really don't mean it offensive (I include myself in here from the beginning): My grandmother used to call philosophy "a game of the male mind". I don't know if you noticed, but in such discussions the ladies of this list never participate and I guess it's because there is a lot of male domination involved in it. I became aware of this when you said this thing with "winning the argument" or so. I don't exclude myself from this, really. I think there is something to think about for all of us. There is nothing to win in our discussions than enlightment for everybody, how ever controverse the discussion is going. And I hope it will not be the last!
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:53:26 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds
edjunkita schrieb:
> don't you know your own rekkids?
> ze lyriks are printed on ze inner sleeve in German und English, jawohl.
damn, you're right. this inner sleeve was only used with the first pressings... completely forgot!
Mo
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:53:16 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-R
Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb:
>
> That's weird! I got a box of Tevion CD-Rs (74 mins.) for x-mas and they were
> the worst I ever had.
Strange. I had no problems whatsoever with them so far... and I burnt something like 40 of them. Tevion seems to have improved the CD-R80.
The entire CD-R complex remains a mystery. I have heard so many theories now, why anything works out better than something else, be it the color of the media, the brand, the burners, the software or the system, and still there seems to be no logical explanation why you would get a problem with a specific CD-R. To me it seems that random mistakes, where ever they may occur, are the real reasons for failures. You can't protect yourself against it.
Don Tiki - The Forbidden Sounds of Don Tiki, Ata Tak
microstarz - micro_superstarz 2000, micromusic
MJ Cole - Hold On to Me/Bandalero mixes, Talkin Loud
Tortoise - Standards, Warp
Sub Oslo - Dubs in the Key of Life, Two Ohm Hop
Nine Inch Nails - Things Falling Apart, Nothing
Scannerfunk - Wave of Light By Wave of Light, Sulphur
Wookie - Wookie, Soul 2 Soul
Robert Creeley etc - A Live Concert Performance, Cuneiform
Roni Size:Reprazent - In The Mode, Talkin' Loud
various - [komfort.labor] presents ~scape, wmf records
Pixies - Complete 'B' Sides, 4AD
thanks, and apologies for cross-postings
the motion team
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:56:38 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: (exotica) 1st CD with copy protection out
Mike Ace has mentioned it recently, now it's getting serious: the first CD is on the market now, that cannot be copied anymore. The artist's name is Charlie Pride. Can anybody from the US get and test it for all of us?
I wonder if they really sell more CDs with this copy protection. Maybe the really big pop acts, but many artists will sell less, because nobody will know that their CDs exist at all.
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:04:20 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) 1st CD with copy protection out
>the first CD is on the market now, that cannot be copied anymore. >The artist's name is Charlie Pride. Can anybody from the US get and >test it for all of us?
The Pride CD isn't copy protected in the normal sense since there's nothing that prevents copying (though industry reports all call it that). Basically, the disc is designed so that it won't play in CD-ROM drives using a directory kludge that's been around for a few years. The idea is that if you can't pop it into your computer's CD-ROM then you won't burn CD-R copies or MP3s. Of course you can always feed a standard CD output into your computer and accomplish the same thing (but probably with some signal loss depending on your setup) but they're betting that most people won't bother with that. The annoying thing is that I use my computer to play discs at work and a different room of my apt plus many car CD players are actually CD-ROM based so these discs won't work there. In other words, the labels are betting on a technology (this one anyway, it may get more sophisticated) that will alienate a fairly significant number of everyday users but will barely slow down anybody!
!
with even a minor interest in bypassing it. Hmmm.
LT
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:07:07 -0500
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <crajnai@att.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age
You tell 'em, Nate.=20
Being a product of the 80s, I was a teenager in love with Chrissy =
Hynde,
that girl from Missing Persons what was her name, Terry Bazio or =
something?,
and Christina Amphlett from the Divinyls. I think that DNA by A Flock =
of
Seagulls is as good as any 60s instrumental. And as far as Devo is
concerned, they started out as a surf band, y'know. Their music =
through
their first 4 albums was some of the most exciting and revolutionary =
stuff
out there. I still play Devo incessantly, and I always hear something =
new
in it, especially the first album produced by Brian Eno.
