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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:15:53 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Rcbrooksod@aol.com schrieb:
>
> << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-) The side read by the laser is
> the top, right?
first I thought you are joking...
> yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting
> scratched. that is where the info is.
the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something...
> i think kev was right in his assumption of such.
>.>speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show? I
>>am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is
>>her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ
>
>Tex and Edna Boyle?
>I've seen SCTV tapes at the video store but I doubt you could get a tape of
>nothing but commercials for Tex and Edna Boyle and their Organ Emporium.
i am not sure, but i have seen SCTV on after conan o'brien a couple of
times (don't ask what i am doing up at that hour) perhaps you could check
your local listings and set your vcr. i did see the count floyd program
that starred dr tongue in the 3D remake of "midnight cowboy" followed by a
panel discussion of the movie
tablah
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:55:49 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 06:58:52 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <kevin@kevdo.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Moritz R wrote:
>
> Rcbrooksod@aol.com schrieb:
>
> >
> > << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-) The side read by the laser is
> > the top, right?
>
> first I thought you are joking...
>
> > yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting
> > scratched. that is where the info is.
>
> the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something...
>
> > i think kev was right in his assumption of such.
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:02:51 +0000
From: Michael Jemmeson <michael@moreover.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Moritz R wrote:
>
> Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.
I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the
information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be
scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see
the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating.
Of course the unhelpful solution is to try not to scratch either side...
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:44:02 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
citerar Michael Jemmeson <michael@moreover.com>:
> Of course the unhelpful solution is to try not to scratch either
>side...
The truth is we handle our belongings very differently. Anyone who has
ever searched for LPs on a fleamarket will agree. I care for them
little things, and so they always sing for me! (without an argument!)
Magnus
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:59:21 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
In a message dated 03/06/01 10:28:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
michael@moreover.com writes:
<< I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the
information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be
scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see
the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. >>
and . . .
<<Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side
(=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of
course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a
CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on
label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.
Mo>>
i guess if we are getting technical this is what happens. the laser actually
DOES read the top of the CD. it reads little indentations in the foil. so
the laser shines up from the bottom (on most players) passes thru almost the
entire thickness of the Cd and reads the indentations in the foil which is
applied to the top of the CD.
it does not take much to damage the foil at all. if you place a sticker on
the top/foil side and then pull the sticker off, the foil will actually come
off with it. if you drop anything sharp or pointed on the top/foil of the CD
it will damage the foil.
i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all. it is applied to the
top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some
durability.
get you and old (and not exotica related) CD and try scratching the top with
various methods and you will see what i mean.
on this note btw, someone posted about a year and a half ago (i think it was
Chuck in New Orleans) that he tried to remove one of those home made sticky
labels and it pulled off nearly the entire foil.
when people talk about repairing "scratches" on a CD they usually talking
about polishing the bottom of the CD. they are just making the bottom
smoother so laser can read better. if the foil layer is damaged there is not
repairing the CD.
the previous discussion a year or so ago pointed out correctly that everyone
worries about the bottom side and neglects the care for the top/foil side.
that is where the information is.
you can even hold up a CD on it's side and see that almost all of the CD is
clear and that the foil layer is right on the surface of the top side.
does any of this sound familiar?
tb
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:47:47 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <quiet@village.uunet.be>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Collectors
>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
for the music only, and yet, if it comes without a cover, i
feel an urge, i have to have it _complete_ even if the cover is awful
to look at. i guess that's the collector in me...
>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?
no. CDs are far easier to get, and most of the time (for
Europeans!) cheaper than the original vinyl.
Johan
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:05:29 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
OK, I tormented a cheap CD-R "coaster". Results:
Scratched (using moderate pressure) on top with fingernail. No damage.
Scratched with back end of wooden paintbrush. No damage.
Scratched with dull tip of a metal nail. No damage.
Slashed with a razor blade. Damage. Foil top peels right off. Easily.
Kind of contradictory. It seems to be very fragile, but you have to work to
exploit the fragility. There really shouldn't be a problem if you treat
your discs sensibly.
But if you really want to get heavy duty, check out the BASF CD-R Master
I've just stumbled across this cd-exchange site. Has anyone used them?
Worth a try or run for the hills?
lousmith@pipeline.com
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:44:39 EST
From: Dj45rpm@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Actually, if you get a deep enough scratch on the label side of the CD (it'll take more than just fingerprints to do it), you'll end up with a nice little "sticking" sound coming out of your speakers.
Of course, there are some CDs that actually end up sounding better this way...
- -DavidH
< I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the
information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be
scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see
the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. >>
and . . .
<<Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side
(=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of
course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a
CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on
label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.
Mo>>
i guess if we are getting technical this is what happens. the laser actually
DOES read the top of the CD. it reads little indentations in the foil. so
the laser shines up from the bottom (on most players) passes thru almost the
entire thickness of the Cd and reads the indentations in the foil which is
applied to the top of the CD.
it does not take much to damage the foil at all. if you place a sticker on
the top/foil side and then pull the sticker off, the foil will actually come
off with it. if you drop anything sharp or pointed on the top/foil of the CD
it will damage the foil.
i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all. it is applied to the
top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some
durability.
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:33:15 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Rcbrooksod@aol.com schrieb:
> i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all. it is applied to the
> top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some
> durability.
I hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. I never noticed that. I always thought that the foil is in the middle of the CD body. The surfaces even seem to differ in material. when you try to scratch into them with a fingernail, the top surface seems to be softer, like clear finish, as you say.
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 21:15:32 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: (exotica) Freddy Quinn
Ben Waugh schrieb:
> Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s
> called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some
> amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to
> the British pop explosion... and with just one name
> maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver?
>
> Or is he simply bad?
yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer? hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg. tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich!
Actually, the latest thing the last couple of days is utilities for encrypting filenames!
I've never even used Napster, but that new copy protection scheme for audio CDs rather annoys me.
- --m.ace
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:24:13 EST
From: Dj45rpm@aol.com
Subject: (exotica) Flexis/Cardboard Discs
Can't say that I was a big flexi fan myself (the frigging things always became unplayably bent too easily, and Eva-Tone was notorious for refusing to press your record if it had "objectable" lyrics, as a few punk bands will testify) though it's always sad to hear of yet another format biting the dust. Are there any European/Asian companies still producing them?
What I really want to know (and chances are you folks already discussed this in detail awhile ago) is who was responsible for pressing those CARDBOARD discs that used to appear on the back of cereal boxes, etc.? Were they just a flexi on top of a round piece of cardboard? (I found an Archies one a long time ago, but I ended up offering it as a premium during my station's fundraiser and another DJ nabbed it)
- -DavidH
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:02:45 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
In a message dated 03/06/01 2:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
moritz@derplan.com writes:
<< I hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. I never noticed that. I
always thought that the foil is in the middle of the CD body. The surfaces
even seem to differ in material. when you try to scratch into them with a
fingernail, the top surface seems to be softer, like clear finish, as you say.
Mo >>
don't feel bad that you had not noticed it. that was the common comment when
we discussed this a year or so ago.
so now remember to pay more attention to the care of the top of the cd as
well as the bottom.
tb
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:09:20 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection
Recieved some essential albums today, First "Afro Cuban influence" by
Shorty Rogers, listen to it now and it seems as terrific as his "S R
meets Tarzan" LP. It is one of those albums I have nearly bought a few
times before but something other has been choosen in the last minute. I
am glad I have it now. "Surfers Paradise" by Alex Keack, an album on
Crown (Stereo CST 315), a little surface noise but not too bad. Very
jazzy exotica, quite good, and probably own material. With Crown you
seldom get any info of that sort. "Whistling on the beach of Waikiki"
Muzzy Marcellino, Stereo Coral (CRL 757441). Terrific and beautiful, as
I imagined, this is my second Marcellino LP i get. More swinging
exotica comes from "JUN'GALA" Marty Wilson and his orchestra. (mono WB
1326) I am very fond of his kind of exotica, makes me feel really good.
The girl on the cover looks like a girl I had a crush on some years ago.
Last but not least, "Themes from horror movies" Dick Jacobs and his
orchestra, Coral stereo (CRL 757240) an album I was totally unaware of
until some weeks ago, found it on ebay, a really beat up copy but I had
to have it as a start anyway, and it was really good, especially the
track picked from "The incredible shrinking man". Bob MacFadden does
the narration between tracks, speaks like Bela Lugosi and other horror
icons, absurd background B&W image (just the way i like em) of a
creature with three eyes and two tails. Tracks picked from "Son of
Dracula", "this Island Earth", "Creature from the black lagoon" etc.
Highly recommended if you enjoy that sort of neglected music.
So why the h**l do I complain at all ;)
If I lived in the fifties I bet you 1 million dollar that I had not
found any of these records for sale, nor would I have had the
possibility to watch the films due to swedens censorship policies back
then.
Magnus
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:32:05 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Old=Good New=Bad
>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:04:27 +0100
>From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
>
>Magnus Sandberg schrieb:
>
>> I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD
>> MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!'
>
>You mean I could just take any record or CD, lock it away, and after a
>while it would automatically turn into good music?
Fifty years ago, the answer would have been yes.
See ya
Steve
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