Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if
anyone didn't know.
*****************************
Does anyone know who is starring in it? Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge
Clooney was in it?
Colleen
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:23:10 -0800
From: Otto <otto@tikinews.com>
Subject: (exotica) The Polynesians
Does anyone have additional information about this band?
I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are
others or other information besides the actual records
The Polynesians stood out to me very early on when I only had about
20 Hawaiian records and I found their Beautiful Hawaii record. It is
markedly better than the rest of the Hoale stuff and better than the
traditional Hawaiian stuff (though not as good as Denny or Lyman in
my book)
Later when I got their second (?) lp with the liner notes about them
being the house band at an infamous Tiki restuarant called The
Polynesian, they were ensconced in my heart!
All of their records are on Crown, none have dates so I am guessing
on some of the chronology here based on cover art. Crown originally
used liner notes with a short list of their other records but later
switched to having the same back on all releases and this is the
common lisitng of seemingly every record on their label with 6
pictures on the left and large triangle/arrow that is grey. After
that design they used "Music for every Mood" with sixteen covers
filling the back of the lp.
According to the back Crown label listings here are The Polynesians records:
CST 113 Aloha Hawaii
CST 163 Blue Hawaii (not credited to The Polynesians probably in
hopes that buyers would think it was the real Blue Hawaii soundtrack)
CST 169 Polynesia (also not credited)
CST 214 Beautiful Hawaii
CST 223 Hawaii Calling
CST 271 Hawaiian Paradise
CLP 5265 Lovely Hawaii
CLP 5304 Hawaiian Sunset
CLP 5519 Hawaiian Love Songs
"Aloha Hawaii" this is The Polynesians first lp CST 113 and appears
to be the 13th lp on the Crown label
cover is a generic shot of Waikiki from Matson collection
has the original back with liners
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Lani Sang, with Sam Koki
Songs: To You Sweetheart Aloha
Song of the Islands
Lovely Hula Hands
Beyond the Reef
Kalua
Tomi Tomi
Loch Lomond
Beauty Hula
Pulupe
Aloha Oe
"Blue Hawaii" I only have the generic back version of this cover
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Freddy Tavares, Bob Nichols, Joe
Guerro, Joe Keawe
Songs: Ke Kali Nei Iau (Hawaiian Wedding Song)
Blue Hawaii
Isle of Golden Dreams
Mauna Wili Hula
Aua Chant
Sweet Leilani
Makala Pua
Maui and Maui Girl
Island Moon
Kou Kino Mambo
"Polyneisa - The music of Hawaii-Tahiti-Samoa"
I have 4 copies of this record, all four have different covers
Two have the liner notes and are numbered CLP 5136 and CST 169 (stereo)
the other two are obviously more recent pressings as they have the
backs mentioned above
This has a great cover shot in front of The Polynesian Tiki
restuarant with a Hawaiian couple with an outrigger and a Tiki on one
side of a waterfall and the band in the foreground on the other side
of the waterfall
Back liner notes are by John Marlo with a shot of The Polynesian
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with
Freddie (sic) Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares
family that started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los
Angeles!)
Songs: Tahitian Festival
Tamure
Marcelle A Vahini
Minoi Minoi
Vana Vana
Cafe Au Lait
Papio
Vahine Anamite
Tanga Tika
Maruru A Vau
"Beautiful Hawaii" Cover appears to be the same shoot as Polynesia.
liner notes are by John Marlo
I have two, one is CLP 5191 and has the generic back the other is CST
214 (stereo) and has liner notes and a short listing of Crown records
ranging from numbers 101 - 221
The stereo version is on red vinyl!!
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Joe Keava (sic?)
songs: Pagan Love Song
Orchid Lei
Lei Makamae (Original Hawaiian Wedding Song)
Te Manu Pukarua
Kamahula
Moon of Manakura
Utere Utere
Farewell and Aloha
Ua Like no a like
Na Hala
"Hawaii Calling" Cover shot is on a beach. and has songwriter credits
on the cover, generic back
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Bernie Kaii, Ernie
Tavares, Marie Terangi
songs: Little Grass Shack
My Yellow Ginger Lei
Princess Pupule
Lullaby of Birdland
Tanga Ta Hura Hura (Marie Terangi)
Little Brown Girl
Lehua (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP
At the Barefoot Bar (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP
Hawaiian War Chant
Tahiti Nui (Marie Terangi)
"Hawaiian Paradise" generic back
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols
songs: Kings Serenade
My Hawaii Nei
Momi Lei
Mahina
Go Around the Island
Lani Kai
Lovely Tahiti
Mai Poina
One Two Three Four
Bora Bora
"Lovely Hawaii" I thought I read somewhere that this was their fifth
lp but if the catalog numbers are correct than this would be their
seventh. Generic back Front probably shot at The Polynesian. Band has
really cool Tiki shirts
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols
songs: Song of the Isle
Hawaiian China Doll
Nakulu
Mele Aumoe
Moana Lua
Shadows of the Night
Lovely Lei Ilima
Stars Shining O'er Hawaii
Puuwai
Ue Ue - O'tuu
"Hawaiian Sunset" I have two copies of this one
Titled as Richard Kauhi and the Polynesians featuring Harry Baty, Bob
Nichols, Bernie Mattison, Bernie Allen
songs: Remember Be Sure
For You and I
Beautiful Kaala
I Love Your Eyes
Aina Hau
Ua Like, No A Like (the only repeat title so far!!)
Hawaii Land of Enchantment
Hilo Bay
Honolulu I Love You
My Hawaiian Home
"Hawaiian Love Songs" MONO this has the later generic back with 16 covers
no band members listed
songs: My Hawaii Nei
Momi Lei
Mahina
Go Around the Island
Aloha Oe
Lani Kai
Lovely Tahiti
Mai Poina
ONe Two Three Four
Bora Bora
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:35:54 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <colleen7@ireland.com>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Alan wrote:
I guess I could
have held onto them for ebay but instead I used the money for trade-
ins.
I haven't sold any on ebay yet because I don't have a credit card to
pay
for the listings. I held back a few hundred to sell on ebay but so
far
I've only bought on ebay.
********************************
You could put them up for sale on the list only... we could all bid
on them, against each other, pay way too much and end up cursing you.\
Sounds like FUN!
Colleen
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:58:36 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians
>band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with
>Freddie Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares family that
>started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los Angeles!)
Freddie Tavares worked in R&D with Leo Fender at Fender (drew up the
mechanical drawings for the Stratocaster among other things). He was also a
busy session musician on steel guitar. Some sources say he did the steel
guitar swoop at the beginning of Looney Tunes cartoons (some sources say
other people did it -- maybe various people did it at different times).
He was born on Maui in 1913, got his start in the business playing steel
for Harry Owens' Royal Hawaiians orchestra in the 30s. Migrated to LA with
the orchestra in the 40s.
Ernie was his brother, who also played with the Royal Hawaiians. Freddie
might still be alive. At least I don't remember hearing that he "took a
cab" (to use Vic Mizzy's excellent phrase).
No idea about any relative connection to the disco band.
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:20:36 -0600
From: "Indy Rutks" <rutks002@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001
Colleen wrote:
>
> Unlucky wrote:
>
> Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if
> anyone didn't know.
>
> *****************************
>
> Does anyone know who is starring in it? Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge
> Clooney was in it?
According to http://www.imdb.com/ , here's the cast :
George Clooney .... Danny Ocean
Brad Pitt .... Dusty Ryan
Casey Affleck
Julia Roberts .... Beatrice Ocean
Miguel PΘrez (I) .... Explosives Cop
J.P. Manoux .... Aide-de-Camp
rest of cast listed alphabetically
Alan Arkin .... Saul Bloom
Scott Caan
Don Cheadle .... Basher
Matt Damon .... Linus Zerga
Andy Garcia
Elliott Gould .... Ruben Tischkoff
Edward Jemison
David Jensen (II)
Bernie Mac
Rusty Meyers .... Security Guard
Bill Murray .... Nick the Lounge Singer
- -Indy
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:17:27 -0500
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Alan wrote:
> It's not "ebay's fault". It's my fault for bidding on records that look
interesting, all the while
> forgetting that 40 dollars is way too much to spend on something that
you've never heard
> anything about.
This is probably the main reason I decided a few years back to officially
drop my want list, you now, that list of things any serious collector keeps
on them at all times and gives out to other collectors in the hope they may
have something. I think it was partly because a lot of what I was looking
for was so obscure, I realized I would never find the huge majority of it,
and partly because I became convinced that anything really good would be
reissued (some very obscure recordings are appearing as legit reissues these
days!) Mainly though, I couldn't justify paying a lot of money for records I
thought were good because of the label or artist connection, that I read
were good, or that I saw on other want lists and subsequently added to mine.
There are a few I would buy just to complete a set but the truth is I may
have just lost interest in searching. I recently passed up on early Foetus
7"s at $50+ each thinking I don't want them that bad, only to find I could
download the damned things off Napster! Now THAT was never an option
before, and to be honest it's all I need...
Brian
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:17:16 -0500
From: "Brian" <brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Alan wrote:
> I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we
have a hard time
> explaining what we mean by better. And no one can argue if you simply say
"This is what
> I'm used to and this is what I will continue to prefer".
I really notice vinyl defects when I record from it. By defects I mostly
mean what the turntable transfers, ie rumble and power hum, and what the
cartridge transfers, ie crackles and pops. Its something I've forgotten all
about with CDs and maybe as a result I notice it more. I still insist a good
CD player can match the quality and warmth of vinyl but Alan's right when he
says its all in what we're used to. Sound is a very subjective thing and if
you don't believe me read a few articles in audiophile magazines!
Brian
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:50 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
exotica-digest wrote:
>The kind of records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment
>I order stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items,
>so what shall I do? -Magnus
Well, the best thing to do, if you aren't dead set on specific titles
is to find someone in the US with access to good fleamarkets who will
scoop of a batch of stuff that looks promising and ship them to you.
You can't pick and choose that way, but you get the thrill of digging
through unknown stuff.
Here's an offer... I live in Los Angeles where we have a record swap
meet every month. I'll go to the swap meet and buy you twenty records
that fit within the percussion/exotica/easy listening genre in good
shape that look good to me... You'll have to let me know what artists
you have covered already, so I avoid duplication as much as I can. It
will probably cost me between forty and fifty dollars. Most easy
listening records cost between 1 and 5 dollars here. I'll ship those
to you sea mail at no charge.
In return, you send me the same quantity of european recordings from
1960 and earlier that fit into the categories of big band, jazz,
swiss yodelling, accordian music, and strange ethnic music. Not
european pressings of American records... Europen bands. If you can
find record collections of really early european pop music from the
teens through the thirties, even better. Are these sorts of records
available in the bins where you live?
I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American
style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and
they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling
records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars.
One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots
from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that
we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy
in your thrift stores as you would be in mine.
If it works out, we can gather together more batches... does that
sound practical? Let me know if this interests you.
See ya
Steve
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:49 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Music vs. Covers
>At 12:24 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>>
>>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
ALWAYS the music. It's all about the music...
>>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?
I'm not happy with the sound of most CD reissues. They compress
it and de-noise the life out of it.
See ya
Steve
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:53 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
>From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
>
>Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former
>discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem
>to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that
>there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before?)
If record companies went out and found pristine pressings, and
transferred them directly to CD with no alteration, I would
be gung ho for CD's. Unfortunately, the people who re-release
records feel that they know *better* than the original artists
who produced the music. They feel that they are obligated to
"correct" the quaint, antiquated "mistakes of the past", and
express their own creativity at the expense of the original
artists. (Who are long dead and gone and unable to complain.)
This results in music that is proccessed and packaged like
luncheon meat... stupid, kitch covers that focus on trendiness
and demean the talent of the musicians who made the music...
liner notes with cocktail recipes, but NO MENTION of the
musicians and their careers... music with grossly unrealistic
EQ settings, making acoustic instruments sound like buzzy
synthesizers... older recordings muted and dulled by draconian
digital filters just to remove all traces of a slight amount
of unobtrusive surface noise... random collections of completely
unrelated tracks selected for no other reason but novelty value,
not musical value... deceptive packaging, repeating the same
tracks previously released in another "best of" with just a
sprinkling of new material...
I take CD reissues on a case by case basis. CD's are more
convenient and portable. But they haven't been produced well
in a lot of cases.
See ya
Steve
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:55 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
exotica-digest wrote:
>Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:58:23 -0500
>From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
>
>I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we
>have a hard time explaining what we mean by better.
The best way to prove it is to do an A/B comparison.
>For me it's a matter of what I'm used to hearing on vinyl and what I'm used
>to hearing on CD. I don't question the sound of a CD if that's the only
>medium in which I've heard the music.
I'd prefer to hear the mix and mastering that the artist approved.
A lot of the records that we appreciate were aimed at hifi nuts.
The artists took an active part in the mixing and mastering of the
music. Many records are like auditory movies, with very careful
contrasts in sound, perspective and balance. That is as much a part
of the music as the melody or performance itself.
>One of the reasons I can switch from vinyl to CDR is that the CDR's I make
>from vinyl, sound like vinyl.
I've had that exact same experience. Why don't commercial releases
sound that good?
See ya
Steve
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:52 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
exotica-digest wrote:
>As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
>ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
>hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
>disappearing! -m.ace
I haven't noticed that where I live. The thing about ebay is, something
worth a dollar or two isn't really worth paying the listing fee for.
If you put a hundred dollar records in ebay, and most of them pass, you
could be stuck with a pretty big piece of change in fees on relatively
valueless stuff. There are less obvious high ticket records at the swap
meet, but that's OK by me because I don't care to spend over a few bucks
on a record.
The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the
EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and
three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it.
See ya
Steve
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 02:08:40 EST
From: Dlsmay@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge
They're not legally available but I've seen them bootlegged. Same guy I use
for 77 Sunset Strip and Honey West, has (what looks to be) the entire run of
this. Linda was featured as a singer/lounge owner, but only for one or two
seasons of its run.
I'll try to find the address. He doesn't do anything over the web as far as
I know, but he does advertise in Outre/Filmfax.
- --David
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:27:11 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians
citerar Otto <otto@tikinews.com>:
>
> Does anyone have additional information about this band?
> I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are
> others or other information besides the actual records
No sorry, but I have heard "Lovely Hawaii" and it was really good, a
nice cover too. Definetely LPs to search for. You have quite a bunch.
Nice to see you are posting again,
Magnus
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:47:00 -0600
From: Brad Bigelow <spaceagepop@earthlink.net>
Subject: (exotica) Ira Ironstrings
bag@hubris.net wrote:
>Most of us know that Louis F. Busch has one pseudonym: Joe "Fingers" Carr.
>
>
>Now I wonder whether he had two.
>
>
>Ira Ironstrings did a number of Warner Brothers LPs produced by Busch and
>arranged by Busch. The question is...who was Ira Ironstrings?
Ira was Alvino Rey. There's a new page on Ira at the Space Age Pop page:
http://www.spaceagepop.com/ironstri.htm
I learned the truth about Ira from Stan Cornyn, ex-Warner Brothers exec and
the king of liner note prose.
And yes, there is a page on Mort Garson at Space Age Pop as well:
http://www.spaceagepop.com/garson.htm
Switching back to <lurk> now.
Brad
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:19:22 -0500
From: Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
> I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American
> style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and
> they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling
> records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars.
> One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots
> from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that
> we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy
> in your thrift stores as you would be in mine.
The local public radio station in Bloomington, Ind. used to play a show
called "Northern Lights," and I once recorded from it some terrific big band
music from Finland. Big band music and ballroom dance are both very popular
there--even the Finnair pilots have their own band. Finnish is definitely
an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing.
Clayton
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:37:01 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland
citerar Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>:
Finnish is definitely
> an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing.
We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are
special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot
of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art,
just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even
though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of
us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv
serials, thank you very much. :(
Magnus
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Date: 5 Mar 2001 06:35:07 -0800
From: bag@hubris.net
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
At 08:19 AM 05-03-01 -0500, Clayton wrote:
>Finnish is definitely
>an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing.
Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it--
I heard it pronounced "var-tin-AW") is from? I first heard this
group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great!
Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are
more Slavic than anything, which makes this group so unique to my ears
anyway. Of course, their songs deal with unusual but important subjects
which focus on women's lives. This may also be a reason for their
success...they sing like they have purpose, like they care. Hard to tell
when you don't speak the language, but they sound very articulate yet also
sound like they are having fun.
Byron
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:55:48 -0600
From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
At 9:40 PM 3/4/01, bigshot wrote:
>The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the
>EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and
>three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it.
True of record shows too. I'd guess it also depends on how long the record
has been in stock and how eager the dealer is to get rid of it. At one
record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for
$25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing. Haven't seen a $50
price spread for at a show though.
Mimi
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:49:02 -0500
From: Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
> Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it--
> I heard it pronounced "var-tin-AW") is from? I first heard this
> group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great!
>
> Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are
> more Slavic than anything,
Careful what you say to the Finns--don't tell them their music is Slavic.
People are touchy about ur-culture in that part of the world. Yes,
Vaartinaa (it's spelled with umlauts, and it might have another n) is from
Finland. I like them too. The best track I've heard from them is on an
"Arthur" (you know, the lovable ardvaark on PBS) CD. It's supposed to be
the song for Binky Barnes (the tough kid who needs a nightlight).
Clayton
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:20:29 -0600
From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland
Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish guy
recently. Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes in Latin...and aren't there
also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said he'd
never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus said, and
he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I
misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here before.
Head-scratching Mimi
Magnus wrote:
>We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are
>special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot
>of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art,
>just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even
>though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of
>us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv
>serials, thank you very much. :(
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500
From: Jenna <jenna@hollygolightly.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11
fcobalt@lycos.com wrote:
> Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know.
>
Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven
Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other
night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change
of ending. Anyone know anything else about it?
Jenna
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:39:45 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster dreams
Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb:
> Alan wrote:
>
> > Is this true?
> > Or will Napster simply disappear?
>
> It's owned by Bertelsmann now, isn't it? That means it won't disappear -
> soon it will just cost us a lot of money to download the latest Britney
> Spears track.
I don't think this is entirely true. The news about it are rather confusing: First Napster said it's impossible to automatically filter out registered tracks. Actually *ALL* tracks are somewhat registered, so this is bullshit from the start.
However: then the music industry presented a list of 5600 tracks that they wanted to be filtered out immediately - all the current big selling hit records, BUT: if you change just one letter in the title of the song, you can trick them out, so they won't be satisfied with that solution in the long run anyway.
AND: it means basically: we care for our big sellers, all other artists - i.e. all the small, independent artists will not be protected, people like Tipsy and Don Tiki et al. So I don't see why this will be really a dream come true. (We discussed this before: I still don't see why artists we like, starting from Martin Denny and not ending with the mentioned members of this list (me too!) should not get paid for the music they bring to all of us, but I won't discuss this again).
Finally Napster said, they will charge their customers in the future and give part (!) of the money to the artists as royalties, which again means, that the big sellers will get most of the money, unless they develop a technical system, where each song is registered singularily and the money is transferred to the referring artist, song by song, download by download, a system that Napster currently doesn't have.
All in all I don't think your dream - if you still want to call it one - will come true as you dream it, AZ.
