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exotica-digest         Saturday, March 3 2001         Volume 02 : Number 906



In This Digest:

(exotica) Grind & Polish
(exotica) Permanence
(exotica) Assholeism
Re: (exotica) Assholeism
Re: (exotica) Permanence
(exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query
Re: (exotica) Assholeism
(exotica) finite demand?
(exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
(exotica) Re: Japanese 6Ts Group Sounds
Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos
Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos
Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos
RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
(exotica) Ebay
Re: (exotica) Ebay
(exotica) Magnus!
(exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
(exotica) Jonathan Perl
(exotica) Collectors.
(exotica) Casino Royale airings
(exotica) The lyrics to "Deep Night" + pic of a Buzzimba
Re: (exotica) Ebay
Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Re: (exotica) Collectors.
(exotica) Ghosts of Vinyl

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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:19:49 -0800
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Grind & Polish

exotica-digest wrote:

>have you ever tried if such a "grind & polish" CD repair kit also
>works on CD-R's?

You can buff out even really deep scratches with any good plexiglas
polish. It's cheaper than those fancy kits and it works better
too. I use Meguiars Mirror Glaze 17 Professional Plastic Cleaner.
But any brand would work as well.

See ya
Steve

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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:19:51 -0800
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Permanence

>I read somewhere that LPs will function in 100 years, CDs will function
>in 30 years, CDrs will function in 10 years, can someone verify this?
>If this is true, I am glad I can listen to my LPs the rest of my life.
>A record from -59 will last until 2059, when I am 90. CDs will need a
>lot of upgrades. What about 78s? -Magnus

I have 78's from the turn of the century that sound as good as the
day they were made. That puts them over the 100 year mark. Some 78s
are subject to lamination cracking, but that is mostly the cheaper
ones from the fifties.

See ya
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:18:29 -0800
From: "jim gerwitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Assholeism

Magnus, here's your quote from Desperate Living, my favorite John Waters
film for the first half at least. If you need a laugh at least go back to
Polyester and Hairspray (for Sonny Bono, Debbie Harry, and beatnik Pia
Zadora.)

From the IMDB Desperate Living quotes:
Peggy Gravel: "Hello? What number are you calling? You've dialed the wrong
number! Sorry? What good is that? How can you ever repay the last thirty
seconds you have stolen from my life? I hate you, your husband, your
children, and your relatives!"   Then on to Mortville with her maid Grizelda
just in time for Queen Carlotta's Backwards Day exclamations of "Hey
asshole, you got your pants on backwards. HAHAHAHAHA....."
Damn, now I gotta watch this tomorrow.

Here's the fabulous Mink Stole again as Connie Marble in Pink Flamingos: "I
guess there's just two kinds of people, Ms. Sandstone; my kind of people and
assholes. It's rather obvious which category you fit into. Have a nice day."

Pink Flamingos was a first date movie for me and my wife, and I bought some
John Cougar Mellencamp LP just because Edith Massey is on the cover and I
HAD to have it.

Coming out of his own shell of depression,
Jim The Egg Man
(who hasn't had to bid on a Barbarella LP because someone posted the whole
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:30:21 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Assholeism

citerar jim gerwitz <[e-mail]>:

>
> Magnus, here's your quote from Desperate Living, my favorite John
Waters
> film for the first half at least. If you need a laugh at least go
back to
> Polyester and Hairspray (for Sonny Bono, Debbie Harry, and beatnik Pia
> Zadora.)


Hi Jim!
Well I purchased nearly all of his  films when they came out as tapes
in britain some 8 years ago, I sold some old ones that I did not like,
but I still have most of them. I also liked Desperate living the most.

Polyester I saw on its premiere in Sweden, I was just a kid back then,
so I did not think it gave me that much (Except when one guy gets his
head cut off ;) That I loved.) I saved the "smell paper" a long time,
the pizza smell was still there 7-8 years after. Then I lost it when we
moved to a new house.

Baltimore to me is John Waters. If I go there sometime I would like to
be served by Edith Massey, but she is dead, isnt she?

How is his new films? The ones after Serial Mom I have not seen.

Thanks very much for the quotes!
Magnus


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:31:10 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Permanence

Hi Steve
Thanks for your comments!

I read your mail about record dealers and collecting after your own=20
taste. I couldnt agree more, however, look at it from my side, I live=20
in Sweden, very little exotica records here, if i found something good=20
on the fleamarket I buy it, and often they are funny/great. The kind of=20
records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment I order=20
stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items, so what=20
shall I do? Order the cheapest records from the US and try them out, or=20
buy the more expensive ones that a lot of people have agreed is very=20
great, my money is limited, but I rather pay 20 dollars and 8 dollars=20
shipping costs for a record many people like than buy a record noone=20
else wants for 1 dollar + 8 dollars shipping that stinks.
It is not that easy to find gems. When I follow the guidelines of Jack=20
Diamond, Stefan K=E9ry, Tony Wilds, Johan, Basic Hip and a lot of other=20
people on-list and off-list that I trust I am very seldom not satisfied.
I also think it is great to belong in some sort of group were you can=20
discuss the same thing and not just: Person A: Look at this record, you=20
have never seen it before, it is great, Person B: Yeah, but look at=20
this record, this is great and you have never heard about it!
See my point?
It is however quite groovy to own a record noone knows about who is as=20
good as the other precious LP people rate very high.
I still have about 25 known exotica LP musts, when I get them all,=20
there will probably be 100 more, then maybe it will be private presses,=20
but to finance them I must sell my exotica LPs.


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:50:05 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query

Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list? How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw
the cover and it looked brilliant




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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:57:27 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Assholeism

citerar jim gerwitz <[e-mail]>:

> Jim The Egg Man
> (who hasn't had to bid on a Barbarella LP because someone posted the
whole
> thing on Usenet mp3.soundtracks.)

Does not MP3 sound very digital and compressed?
Magnus


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:11:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) finite demand?

In a message dated 3/1/01 2:47:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I keep the faith that eventually all the people who really want Esquivel on
 vinyl will buy it, and the prices will begin to go down.  I know that the
 supply is finite, but so is the demand.   >>

I can't agree with this.  To me, this is like saying that the demand for
first edition books will go down or the demand for original paintings will
decrease.  There are people who just want the music and don't care what
format it's in, but fanatical collectors are much more interested in whether
it's original pressing or not.  This is why people are still spending lots of
money for original Beatles records when the music is plentiful.

As is the case with great art, literature, etc., more and more people will
discover that Esquivel was great and will collect his originals.  When I was
a kid, Captain Beefheart played at a local bar in town and barely drew a
crowd.  No one bought his records.  Now, his originals pressings are selling
for big $.  I suspect that more people are buying Esquivel records, CDs, etc.
now than when he was active.  Others who were actually aware of Esquivel in
the early 60's might be able to confirm this.

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:13:31 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"

Just when you thought you heard enough of ebay...

I am writing this just to tell you of some of the good people dealing
there and the good people around here, I stepped onto this record on
ebay some week ago, purchased it instantly, costed me $8. (Buy it now)
The problem was the seller only shipped to the US, I asked the Exotica
ring people if some american guy/girl on the list could help me out,
recieve it and the ship it to me, I got response from 10 people, all
wanted to help me. When I contacted the seller she told me there were
no problem sending it to Sweden, she just did not know how to fill in
the form on ebay. Very nice girl, and we had some dialogue. After she
had recieved my payments, she sended it out express which costed her
more than the money I had sent her (She told me there were no big
difference). It arrived today (SUNDAY!) and it is Mint. It is an OK
record, not great, maybe after some more listenings.. But it is in my
collection now, and I value it.

So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very
kind people there. And I am not the richest guy in the world.

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:25:09 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Re: Japanese 6Ts Group Sounds

And not to forgett:

V.A. Sixties Japanese Garage Psych Sampler LP, Corumbia CS 36,139 STEREO,
USA 1987
With the Golden Cups, Dynamite, Beavers, Mops, Outcast etc
but also no Tigers
Maybe the first comp with that sound ?

and
V.A. Banzai Freakbeat, Pachinko Records, Lucky 777 CD, ? 199?
This has IMO just one good cut: Hanashitakunai by the Youngsters
no Tigers again

Martin

>> From: [e-mail]
>> Anyone know anything about Japanese band The Tigers?
>> Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka
>
>> From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Re: (exotica) The Tigers
>> I have several lps, singles of Japanese "Group Sounds"
>> (vocal) bands from the 60s. Many of these can be found
>> on tastelessly titled compilation lps through Norton
>> Records.
>
>Tasteless? Ben, their title is 80% the reason why I love to spend my
>money on them!
>They are:
>"Hot Nips", voll. 1 + 2 (Dolemite);
>the Norton catalogue defines them, respectively, as:
>"warped japanese sixties garage combos galore!" (vol. 1) and
>"still mo' nagasaki nuggets" (vol. 2).
>Then there's
>"Slitherama: Monster a Go-Go", with Godzilla on cover (Planet X),
>which gets rated as "klayzee 60's jap-punk - godzilla size lock &
>loll" and
>"Project Blue, vol. 3: Diamonds From The East, Sixties Lost Punk
>Gems From Hong Kong Bands" (Destination X).
>All these are pure vinyl only, and the latter is only available from
>my pal Scanna, who +compiled it.
>As starters I'd# suggest:
>"G.S. I Love You - Japanese* Garage Bands of the 60's" and
>"G.S. I Love You Too", cds on Big Beat, which the mighty Hitomi
>helped compile.’
>No Tigers on any of them, though.
>
>Sayonara
>Gionni





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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:29:39 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos

citerar Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]>:

>costed me $8. (Buy it now)

It costed $6



>It arrived today (SUNDAY!)

It is off course Saturday

Sorry
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:07:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos

Cool record. Took me a few plays to appreciate it. I
bought it for the artwork on the back cover. I picked
up Bob Thompson's The Sound of Speed at the same
thrify for the same reason (and because it was BT)...
but have not yet been able to listen to it all the way
through.

- --- Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> citerar Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]>:
>
> >costed me $8. (Buy it now)
>
> It costed $6


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:14:15 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos

citerar Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>:

>
> Cool record. Took me a few plays to appreciate it. I
> bought it for the artwork on the back cover

Well the front is not bad either, quite thrilling. But I relly like the
backcover illustrations, every girl in the world should see it so they
understand man's occasional odd behaviour. ;)

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:38:21 +0100
From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"

Magnus wrote:

> So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very
> kind people there. And I am not the richest guy in the world.

I agree with Magnus. I have been buying on Ebay for about a year now and I
have encountered a few very kind dealers who know what they are selling and
are willing to do a little extra effort for their customers. It's also true
that for us Europeans Ebay is a great way to buy (America) records that we
wouldn't be able to buy at markets or thrift stores in a million years.

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:54:02 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"

citerar "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>:

>
> Marco wrote:

It's also true
> that for us Europeans Ebay is a great way to buy (America) records
that we
> wouldn't be able to buy at markets or thrift stores in a million
years.

Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the
funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, My spirit will
watch over them and if someone buys them I will follow him home, and if
he/she does not like the record I will haunt him: I paid 40 dollars for
that record 50 years ago! Now I aim to spook!

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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:02:59 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors

>If you have very little money, then you shouldn't be shopping
>at trendy record boutiques and high traffic auctions... You should
>haunt thrift stores, go to swap meets, search out garage sales,

As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
disappearing! Instead of lugging their boxes around, they're staying at
home in their jammies and putting the "choice" items on... EBAY. Not an
unreasonable choice from their point of view, but it leaves me out of luck
for my $1 thrill of the unknown. Or occasional hot find. (And no, I will
not buy from eBay, and will not bore you with the reasons why.)

It's not just a matter of whether or not eBay influences pricing overall.
It's a matter of possibly closing off outlets of availability.

Is anyone else seeing this disappearance?

I also worry about what they're doing with the "non-choice" records. I sure
hope they're not trashing them. I can't imagine they're putting them eBay...

"Joe Schlabotnik and the Brass Railers - Polka Cha Cha Singalong
Vinyl in rough condition, several deep gouges on Side Two.
Cover seams split, with large tear across front. Mild mildew growth.
Water stains on back. Odor ranking of 7.
Minimum bid $0.50"

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Date: 3 Mar 2001 09:11:13 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Ebay

At 02:13 PM 03-03-01 +0100, Magnus wrote:
>So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very
>kind people there.

Because it is "virtual", Ebay is sometimes viewed with suspicion and
concern than other more limited shopping experiences.  And, of course, it
is an auction, which makes it even more treacherous.

Certainly, the term "let the buyer beware" applies.

HOWEVER, I consider Ebay (or any internet auction service...it just so
happens ebay is the largest and thus capable of serving up a wider variety
of items) a major service for me.

After making at least 400 purchases through Ebay in the last two
years...everything from furniture to miniature Coke bottles (and, of
course, records), I have had only had a few difficulties...and usually
because of
the post office or some miscommunication.

Many of these items I would never have found in any other way!  The Coke
bottles I mentioned I had been searching for at every second hand store I
walked into for the past 32 years.  Once I did a search on ebay I found 7
of them within a month!

And the people I encounter are usually very nice, helpful, considerate.
Certainly they benefit from it financially, but I get something I am
interested in at a price I can afford (otherwise, why did I bid that amount?).

If you can control your own bidding, remember the mailing costs, get over
the winning-losing frame of mind and take proper precautions when
conducting a transaction, ebay is a wonderful thing and the people who
participate in it, buyers and sellers, all benefit.

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:41:11 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay

citerar [e-mail]:


>Coke bottles,

I used to collect those too, I had about ten different volume sizes. I
wonder how many there are... Some from Jugoslavia and Greece. Sorry
Byron, they were lost when I moved to an own apartment otherwise I
would have given them to you. Actually I dont have anything to collect
that is cheap, In fleamarkets I first check LPs, if I dont find any I
check books, then art. But fun thriftstore art is as rare here as
exotica. It is basically the same prints everywere. And finding a
hawaiian shirt that is goodlooking is impossible. So is Tikimugs.  I
have found one tiki item, A very nice porcelain (correct spelling?)
statue of Ku. And some year ago Adam Axelsson found two mugs from
Kahiki.

Magnus


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:57:44 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Magnus!

Magnus wrote:


Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away,
the
funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, My spirit
will
watch over them and if someone buys them I will follow him home, and
if
he/she does not like the record I will haunt him: I paid 40 dollars
for
that record 50 years ago! Now I aim to spook!
                *************************
Magnus, that is the funniest thought, I love the way your mind
works.  If you ask me, that sounds like a pilot for a new WB TV
series, right along with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  LOL




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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:14:49 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds

Hi Gang,
I was telling my brother in law that you guys were the smarted group
of people in the world when it came to exotica music.  He has a
request for you.  He has an LP called Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort
Garson on Electra SKS74009.  Each track is related to a Zodiac sign,
ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the
backround.  It is pretty cool.  His question: Does anyone know aboout
this record or the guy who made it?  Also, although he had it put on
CD, it still sounds VERY scratchy, is it possible to digitally get
out those sounds?  Or is there another copy out there he could
purchase?
Thanks.


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:43:54 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jonathan Perl

Sorry, I'm trying to get in touch with this (former?) lister.
His [e-mail] account is dead.
Jonny, are you reading? If so, please e-mail me off-list.
Anyone knows another account?
Thank you, and now back the scheduled program.
Ciao
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:24:33 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Collectors.

Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
or not you care for the music?  I'm just curious.  Colleen/sounding a
little like Alan...


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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:47:08 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Casino Royale airings

"Casino Royale" (1967) pops up on AMC this Monday at 2:00pm, 8:00pm and
1:15am (eastern). The late night showing is supposed to be in letterbox format.

Then again, same day, TCM has "What's New Pussycat?" (1966) at 6:00pm, if
you'd like an additional Ursula Andress fix.

Hmmm, furthermore, on Wednesday, TCM airs "The Thomas Crown Affair" (1968)
at 6:15pm and "Breakfast at Tiffany's" (1961) at 8:00pm.

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:01:58 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The lyrics to "Deep Night" + pic of a Buzzimba

Anybody have that? I need it. I know most of it but there are a few
lines I dont know.

And does anybody have a picture of a buzzimba?

Magnus


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:37:09 -0800
From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay

Byron oh so correctly pointed out:

> Many of these items I would never have found in any other way! <

This is the key to it for me - a factor so important that it just cannot be
overlooked.

If there is something specific you are after, it is the first place to go.
For example, I am constantly after two things in particular:  fred lowery
memoribila as well as obscure whistlers and bird recordings on 78, and
vintage radio commercials / jingles / spots produced for broadcast use only.

I could spend a weekend driving all over the San Francisco bay area,
checking thrift stores, garage sales, used record stores, flea markets,
estate sales and I'll betcha I'll come home empty handed.  Maybe I'll find
"whistle a happy tune", but I've got that one :)

So I go to ebay, where I have "Fred Lowery", "whistling", "radio
commercials", "radio spots", "advertising LPs", etc bookmarked and can
locate them almost any given day.

For those of you who have had unpleasant ebay experiences, you have my
sypmpathies.  In the two years I've used it, 99% of my transactions have
been pleasant.  I've found stuff that I never would have found otherwise.
Like the sonovox kiddie 78s on Jacklee, "Whizzer" and "Chug Chug in Lollypop
Town".  True, you don't need ebay to find Martin Denny, but for diggin' up
specialty items, it's the way to go.

If you have never used it ebay and avoid it "just because", I'll continue to
try to sway you because I think you are missing out on a a valuable source
for finding exactly what you want.












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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:45:21 -0800
From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.

> Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
> Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
> And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
> that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
> or not you care for the music?

As one writer pointed out, why buy the LP when you can download the whole
thing in MP3 format from some site.  Then there are others that only the LP
will do - they want the actual object, the real thing, nothing else will do.
A CD or CD-R will suffice until they find it then the CD goes in grandma's
attic (or worse).  They want to feel it, touch it, smell it.

Like Sean said.

I certainly prefer my records to CD's, they just make me feel better.

I never buy for the cover and always open sealed records.

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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:38:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors

In a message dated 3/3/01 9:03:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
 ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
 hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
 disappearing! Instead of lugging their boxes around, they're staying at
 home in their jammies and putting the "choice" items on... EBAY. Not an
 unreasonable choice from their point of view, but it leaves me out of luck
 for my $1 thrill of the unknown. Or occasional hot find. (And no, I will
 not buy from eBay, and will not bore you with the reasons why.)

 It's not just a matter of whether or not eBay influences pricing overall.
 It's a matter of possibly closing off outlets of availability.

 Is anyone else seeing this disappearance? >>

I have; a local indie store recently closed down, leaving a sign saying to
"check (their) auctions on eBay". (of course since their stock was mostly
crap and they dealt more with Pearl Jam and No Doubt video bootlegs it was no
big loss).  I've also seen quite a few "about me" pages where the seller says
s/he used to have a store, but closed it down to concentrate on eBay, etc. So
there have been a few dealers "migrating" to eBay.  (not that it's a part of
eBay's Evil Plan for World Domination, but it's happening)  In a way you
can't blame them; why go through all the bother of lugging boxes all over the
place, having to deal with hagglers and shoplifters, etc., when you can just
do it all (mostly) hassle-free at home?
Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale run
and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they're
holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and
not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were
"valuable".  (I think the ultimate was when I saw a xxth-pressing Beatles
record for $20 and an Eagles record for $10!!! I just laughed my ass off at
that one.)  Has anyone else noticed this particular trend?
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 14:51:17 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.

>From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
>>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
>that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
>or not you care for the music?  I'm just curious.  Colleen/sounding a
>little like Alan...
>
For the music. I have a few Esquivel records someone gave me but they are in
a box somewhere. nice to have and look at but I listen to the CD's. It's
easier.

With all this talk of ebay and dealers I have to tell you about a trip to a
record store in New Hapshire. Lots of great records a lot of them going for
$60 (Julie's Calender Girl) to $100 (Ray Charles and Betty Carter). I went
down to the celler ($2 a pop) a picked up a few nice things with bad records
covers. You know ripped and taped or mono. Pat Suzuki and Bob Crewe, Linda
Lawson. The guy was on his computer all the time. Told me was totally into
ebay.  ([e-mail]) I can imagine him going thru the bins
and posting what he things would sell.

Told me that in the spring he has to beat people off with a stick they come
in loaded with records from spring cleaning. Hey. He's got a good thing
going. Maybe I should open a record store?

I saw soo much neat stuff I would like to play on my radio show....but hey,
it's under glass ready for some collector.

I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for
$15.

And I think Jack Diamond was a little agast when I told him, in the Luxuria
chat, that I hardly spend more than $2 for a reccord. My wife hates the damm
musty things anyways.


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Date: 3 Mar 2001 11:57:06 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.

At 12:24 PM 03-03-01 -0600, Colleenwrote:
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
No, not just for either.

>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?
Yes.

>Or do you want
>that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
>or not you care for the music?
No.

But, of course, rarely is anything purely black or white...and my answers
could easily go the other way.  It all depends.

I purchase an LP primarilly for the music, but will pay more if it has a cool
cover.  I will pay for the cover only or the record only if I hope to unite
them some day, but don't like just having a cover.  I would buy a record for
the cover if very cheap.

That is my take on it.  I know there are folks out there who really want
that album cover art and could care less about the record.  I want the
record in good shape even if I buy the album for the cover and even if I
don't like the music.  Yes, that sounds dumb, but I just like to keep
things together as they originally were produced.

I am less apt to pay high money for an LP which is out on CD...but I do
want to own the LP because it is more original and I get the large scale
cover art.  So, I own all of the Esquivel CDs that I know are out there and
only some of the LPs.  If I ever see one of the LPs that I do not have and
already have a CD of, I will want to buy it...but only if it costs less
than the CD cost!

Your last question nags at me occasionally, for I have bought records which
other people consider really great...yet I neither like the cover nor the
music.  You would think I would rush out to sell the darn thing (which I
bought for 10-99 cents) and get a nice profit.  But something tells me that
I will eventually grow to like the music...so I keep it.  However, I do
wonder if I keep it just to say I own it!

I may eventually change my mind when I have more records than storage
capacity...or less spending money.

Byron




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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 14:56:49 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ghosts of Vinyl

From: Magnus
>Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the
>funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket,

We always stop at this used furniture/junk store. Mostly estate stuff. Today
I stop in and they tell me they just put out a box. Awesome! The first
person there! ItÆs not picked over! What do I find? Stones, Cat Stevens,
Bruce Springfield? "What!!", I ask the clerk. "People of my generation
already dying?"

But I did pick up something I overlooked before.

Anthony Newley "Tells the Ultimate love story For You from the book by
Jennings Cobb". Original score Composed and Conducted by Neely Plumb. (Newly
hugging a nekkid chick on the back cover, kinds of looks like EVE Plumb ;Æ))

The first paragraph of the linear notes: ôTo begin, place this record on
your record player, dim the lights, and take your favorite member of the
opposite sex in your arms. If your fully dressed at the end of the record,
perhaps you should discuss your early childhood with your analyst.ö

Listening to it now, Newley reciting the poems with mello orchestration. Its
going into the Martini Mix.

I also picked up an 8 track! Someone on the list send me a Moe Koffman album
and itÆs the only reason I picked this up: Moe Koffman Museum Pieces from
1978. Sounds interesting. 4 tracks.
1) Museum Piece Dinosaurs 9:15
2) Rocks(Mineralogy) Digs (Archeology) 9:30
3) Evolution Blues PharoahÆs Dream 9:30
4) Wildlife (Mammalogy) Days Gone By (Egyptology) 9:20

If anybody wants it just email me.

I'll tell you if the record worked.....tomorrow.

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