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exotica-digest        Sunday, February 25 2001        Volume 02 : Number 901



In This Digest:

(exotica) re: free design
(exotica) Re: is there anything worth seeing in Brussels, exotica-wise?
(exotica) Re:  Belgian police arrest people trading music in spiderweb world
(exotica) found styli
Re: (exotica) found styli
Re: (exotica) the free design
Re: (exotica) found styli
(exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
(exotica) thee gentleman again
(exotica) sorry about this, how about this?
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20(exotica)=20I=20havent=20sinned=20:)=20And=20this=20i?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s=20going=20to=20be=20the=20longest=20subject=20line=20in=20?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?the=20history=20of=20the=20Exotica=20list.=20There,=20that=20?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?should=20do=20it.=20Yup,=20beat=20that=20if=20you=20can!=20?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ebayers!!!!=20Beware=20of=20Azed!!!!!!=20Beware=20of=20dbro?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?gdon!!!!!!!!?=
(exotica) Joking
(exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, February 25
(exotica) cooking convenience in a stick
Re: (exotica) the free design
(exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
Re: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
(exotica) "Odds Against Tomorrow"
(exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: (exotica) Turntables
Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: (exotica) Turntables
Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Re:  Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)
(exotica) the black is back
Re: (exotica) the black is back
Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Re: Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to PeterSloterdijk)

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:43:01 +0800
From: "William" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) re: free design

> > now, for my question.  on one of the free
> > design cds i saw that they do the theme to sesame st. did they write
> > the original song or is this a cover of that song?
>
> That's originally from their childrens album "Sing for Very Important
> People".  I know it sounds like they were born to sing that song
> but, no, it's not a Free Design original.
>
> If you're wanting to get more of their albums you might be
> interested to know that all of their Project 3 LPs have reissued in
> Japan on the Teichiku/Overseas label

    thanks for the info! i think i saw some of those reissues on
teichiku/overseas when i picked up this compilation. the first time i
actually heard them(and was aware it was them at least) was on one of those
trattoria label compilations. i have a feeling those japanese re-issues on
trattoria are out of print now though. when i listen to them i keep thinking
of the music used in those dr. seuss animated specials. were they involved
in that in any way?

                         william in taipei.



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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:55:46 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: is there anything worth seeing in Brussels, exotica-wise?

sorry, folks, i'm behind with digest reading...

jee, what do you call "exotica-wise"? not really much, i think...

* There's a new pub / club called "Lounge", don't know the address,
you can look it up in the online Yellow Pages of Belgium @
http://www.infobel.be/

* Mo has told you about the African (formerly "Colonial") museum in
Tervuren, and the botanical Gardens in Meise (both suburbs), and that
bunch of parakeets or parrots whatever, that once escaped from a
private housing, and they surprisingly adapted to the cold winter
climat, in the "Guy d'Abrezzo Plaats".

* the Atomium on "De Heizel", mentioned, but i'm not sure if it is
open for visitors now, as it badly needds restoration. it was built
for the world exhibition in 58, and was to be destroyed afterwards,
but they changed their minds. about the only other relic from that
world exhibition is a Chinese tower in the royal park, i think it is
sometimes open for visitors, check with the tourist board.

* another Art Nouveau building, besides the comic strip museum, worth
visiting is the all-metal "Old England" building housing a toy museum
and a restaurant on the top floor, on the "Kunstberg"

* record shops: these were my favorites (WERE, as i haven't visited
brussels myself in 10 years; there must be more now; name between
brackets is French street name; all are in the center, zip code 1000,
Brussels)

    The Collector, Beursstraat (Rue de Bourse) 26:
         a collector's heaven, but very expensive.

    L'Harlequin (don't remember the address, a couple of streets
    down south from The Collector)

    Juke Box Shop, Anspachlaan (Boulevard Anspach) 165:
         French pop, 60's stuff

    Dr. Vinyl, Sint-Goriksplein (don't know the French name):
    new records, specialised in vinyl.

    Flea Market: Sunday between 8 and 12 PM on Vossenplein
    (Place de jeu de boules)

    there used to be shops around that Vossenplein (Place de jeu
de boules), on Beursstraat (Rue de Bourse), and on Anspachlaan
(Boulevard Anspach). Brussels' center is very small, you'll find
others on your way!

    happy visiting, and good luck on your hunting!


>Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]> wrote:

>There is actually a very nice bar/restaurant called "hemispheres" in the
>center of the city. Very exotic place including Fez-wearing waiters
>and live arab music. Good cuisine too.

    jee, i'm happy that I'm no longer the only (posting) listee
from Belgium!

         Johan

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:01:29 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:  Belgian police arrest people trading music in spiderweb world

>From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>

>Belgian police arrest people trading music in spiderweb world:
>http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/02/15/napster/index.html

    ironic: Belgium is the second most corrupt country in Europe,
and who are "they" after? the little fish, who "illegally" download a
couple of songs...

    anyway, as far as i know, no one was arrested (yet ;-) the
federation of Belgian record companies (IFPI) has a program that
automatically and instantly gives them the IP addresses of Napster
users, but minister of justice department already told the press that
such was a violation of the privacy rights, and that it was not the
highest priority of the government to catch users of Napster.

         Johan

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:07:30
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) found styli

Something I forgot to mention before: a few people said that when looking
for an old turntable you should check that it has a cartridge AND a stylus,
or you should check that the stylus is not bent or damaged. I would go
further and say assume that you should not use the old stylus on a used
turntable. The average person NEVER changed it ever, so the odds are good
that it is worn out. And unless it's a very expensive cartridge (unlikely
on a cheap Technics), the value of a cartridge without a good stylus is
pretty negligible. Just buy the new cartridge you want and be glad that you
saved money on the turntable. Your precious record collection will thank
you.



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Date: 24 Feb 2001 10:45:45 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) found styli

At 01:07 PM 24-02-01, jschwart wrote:
>Just buy the new cartridge you want and be glad that you
>saved money on the turntable.

Yes I agree on this...it is better to start off with your own choice of
cartridge or stylus...just factor that into the cost you are willing to pay
for the turntable first (research costs of styli and cartridges before
searching for a turntable).

I think part of the argument to find a turntable with a cartridge is to
find the headshell (where the cartridge is mounted).  You may not use the
cartridge, but at least you know it has its headshell (because the
cartridge is attached to it!). If you find a tonearm without its headshell,
you will find it difficult to find a replacement headshell that fits the
tonearm...so then you may need to find a new tonearm...and by then you
might as well give up and start over with a whole new search.

Byron


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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:10:36 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the free design

Okay, I wondered what all the hubbub was about so I went to CDnow to
see Free Design...I remembered Kites are Fun...great hippie song and
I remembered them!  Never did remember their name though.  I may have
to get that greatest hits CD.  They do sound wonderful.
colleenintexas


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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:41:36 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) found styli

At 10:45 AM 2/24/01 -0800, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Yes I agree on this...it is better to start off with your own choice of
>cartridge or stylus..

Boy you techies kill me.  I haven't changed an actual stylus since I was a
kid.  I change the cartridge about once a year.  It costs me about fifty
bucks.  I guess it would be cheaper to take out the "needle" and keep the
cartridge but I can't bother.

AZ



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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:53:25 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1411209276&ed=983154
789

At this "address" you will find the bid history for an item on ebay now.
The auction's not over yet.
But so far there have been three bidders.
All three are on this list.
I can't blame them for wanting it since I'm one of them.
But I'm one of the losers and will probably remain that way.
Still, it's funny doncha think?

AZ



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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:21:51 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) thee gentleman again

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1411209276&ed=983154
789

That last one didn't quite work.  It was missing two numbers.  Let's try
this one.



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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:28:03 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) sorry about this, how about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411209276&r=0&t=0&sh
owTutorial=0&ed=983154789&indexURL=0&rd=1

And then hit "bid history"



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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:31:59 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20(exotica)=20I=20havent=20sinned=20:)=20And=20this=20i?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s=20going=20to=20be=20the=20longest=20subject=20line=20in=20?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?the=20history=20of=20the=20Exotica=20list.=20There,=20that=20?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?should=20do=20it.=20Yup,=20beat=20that=20if=20you=20can!=20?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ebayers!!!!=20Beware=20of=20Azed!!!!!!=20Beware=20of=20dbro?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?gdon!!!!!!!!?=

citerar alan  zweig <[e-mail]>:

>
> http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewBids&item=1411209276&ed=983154
> 789
>
> That last one didn't quite work.  It was missing two numbers.  Let's=20
try
> this one.

YOU BIDDED OVER ME YOU NON=20
GENTLEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
I was first!
M




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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:43:09 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Joking

... Meant no harm, it was just a joke. Sorry for all emotions stirred,
back to gentleman Magnus again. I just freaked out.

Magnus




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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:00:17 -0500
From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, February 25

Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.

Space Bop #131    Naughty And Nice

This week, an interesting mix of stuff...some naughty, some nice (actually,
all of it's nice, but some of it's naughty too...)  Should be a fun show...

Tipsy:  Spank My Booty (Paddles And Whipped Cream Mix)
Chicks On Speed:  Give Me Back My Man  "Will Save Us All!"
Stereo de Luxe:  Groovy Boy  "Rennsport split EP"

Br. Cleve And His Lush Orchestra:  Liberace Cha Cha Cha  (thanks, Cleve!)
Flabby:  Mambo Italiano (Spy Remix)
De Phazz:  Heartfixer  "Death By Chocolate"  (thanks, Mo!)

Tipsy:  Hard Petting (Deeper Mix)  "Hard Petting EP"  (at long last -
thanks, BR!)
Fantastic Plastic Machine:  Paragon  "Beautiful"  (thanks, William!)
Nicola Conte:  La Coda Del Diavolo  "Jet Sounds"

Ursula 1000:  She Racer  "Rennsport split EP"
James Clarke:  Blow Up A-Go-Go  "Blow Up - Exclusive Blend Vol. 2"
Dauerfisch:  You Must Learn All Night Long (Dancing Baby Mix)  "Fantastic
Plastic Machine - International Standard Remixes"

Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening.


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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:59:03 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) cooking convenience in a stick

I came across this sort of accidentally and it occurred to me that some of
you might get a nostalgic kick out of it.

http://www.crisco.com/



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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:59:46 -0600
From: Paul Dean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the free design

Robbie Baldock wrote:

>
> Hurrah!  Another convert to the Free Design!  I found that when you
> first hear them they tend to take over your life a bit... ;-)
>

For me, the discovery of the free design was akin to a religious experience.
!!!!!!!

And speaking of the Free Design, and eBay,  the most I've ever spent on an
album ever was on eBay for a Free Design LP.

I got stars/time/bubbles/love for $50.

I was so tired of NOT getting it!

And . . . I love it.  It's a concept album, a total experience!   What's money
compared to this!?




paul dean



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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:21:20 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour

With the chill of winter still blasting away at many of us, this
week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast will send some tropic breezes your
way.  It's our third annual Exotica Extravaganza, two hours of tiki
tunes and jungle jazz!

You'll find mostly classic exotica by Baxter, Denny, Lyman, Drasnin
and Chaino, among others; a side trip into Eastern exotica with the
Markko Polo Adventurers, Sondi Sodsai and Paul Mark; plus newer tunes
by Don Tiki and Big Kahuna.  Also, we'll chat with Kirby Allan,
record producer/composer/arranger, whose late '50s recordings with
the legendary Chaino are featured in "Africana and Beyond" from
Dionysus Records.

To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just follow the link
below.  When you visit the site, tour the album cover gallery (a new
Exotica exhibit is now up), enter the CD giveaway and sign for our
weekly playlist mailing.  As always, requests and comments welcome.

Thanks for the space.


Darrell Brogdon
The Retro Cocktail Hour
KANU FM 91.5
Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at:
http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html
Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at:
http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html


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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:33:44 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour

At 09:21 PM 2/24/01 -0600, Darrell Brogdon wrote:
>
>With the chill of winter still blasting away at many of us, this
>week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast will send some tropic breezes your
>way.  It's our third annual Exotica Extravaganza, two hours of tiki
>tunes and jungle jazz!

Please inform Magnus and I when you play that Johnny Gunn LP.



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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:03:33 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) "Odds Against Tomorrow"

"Odds Against Tomorrow" (1959) airs tonight (Sunday) on TCM at 10:00pm
(eastern).

A fine movie recently discussed on here. Sorry for the last minute notice.

- --m.ace



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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:04:52 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

While not playing football today as usual I may as well train my brain a =
bit instead and write down some thoughts on an interview with philosopher=
 Peter Sloterdijk I saw the other day on tele. I found his statements par=
ticulary interesting in the context of the frequently asked question "Wha=
t makes this Exotica mailing list so special?" With the help of Sloterdij=
k we may come to a simple yet convincing answer.

Since the last 10, 20 years Sloterdijk has become one of the most disting=
uished art critics and commentator of contemporary culture-sociological d=
evelopments. The interview was done by Alexander Kluge, who was a film-ma=
ker back in the times of Fassbinder, Herzog, Schl=F6ndorf et al. Today, s=
ince one decade or so, he is behind some TV magazines - one of the rare b=
ulwarks of intelligence in the ever growing ocean of stupidity.

So Kluge asks Sloterdijk "What does music?" and Sloterdijk basically give=
s two answers, from which I want to quote the second one first. He says (=
analogously): By the way music is organizing time with it's virtuosity an=
d direct physical triggering of thoughts via the human ear, it makes you =
more intelligent instantly. Therefore people were always very grateful fo=
r music. Unlike all other forms of art, music makes people aware of the s=
tructure of time, music itself structurizes thoughts and thinking.

Secondly: Music has a direct influence on the emotions of people. It crea=
tes a basic mood. Therefore music can be influential in a bigger social c=
ontext (I add: it can be used for political goals; it can define the iden=
tification of entire generations or particular groups of society). But, P=
eter Sloterdijk says, the fact that music can change the mood of people, =
implies that there is freedom. Only a free mind can be changed. He emphas=
izes this aspect.

That's when I had to think of the Exotica list... If, of all people, thos=
e, who listen to music, are the freest, then, of all people, who listen t=
o music, those, who listen to the widest range of musical forms, i.e. the=
 members of the Exotica mailing list, should be the freest of the freest.=
 In mind.

Or what?

Mo

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studio R
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:07:51 -0500
From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Turntables

> The best turntable made is the Thorens, with Dual being a strong second.
The Japanese
> turntables are good too, but the Germans had the knack for making the
best.

Naah... the best was made right here in a Canda by a small company called
Oracle (no connection to the computer people) who made that high end work of
art you saw in A Clockwork Orange.  I saw one in a used stereo store a few
years ago and I almost jumped. Maybe next time. Moritz would appreciate this
one.. design in keeping with his Mac Cube!
If you ever heard of the legendary Meitner Audio or Classe Audio you would
know this part of Canada was once well represented in the high end audio
scene.

Still I used to have a Thorens which served me well for many years with no
complaints. We have this exotic but not particularly sophisticated Ariston
Audio Turntable which is a long defunct Scottish company. Getting belts is
impossible and the last two I found were in Boston many years ago.  Plus I
have had no end of grief balancing the thing and can't eliminate the power
hum or the nasty rumble. I'm about ready for direct drive but I can say I've
always avoided them as the audiphiles frown upon them due to noise. However
with the limited pickings out there and the odds of finding belts the major
variable in any future purchase, the next one may just be direct drive!
Survival is the key word in this business these days...

Brian



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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:15:00 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

Thee way I see it is that you need to search for peoples places and
stuff with an added dimension to it. Sometimes that is necessary,
sometimes it feels just right to stay in a 1 dimensional world. Music
is an exceptional resort when you want to go away for awhile. Or just
lie on your bed and pretend you dont exist, that works for me, I get my
strength back. There are so much junk we are supposed to eat. King
Midas came back, reversed himself and turned everything he touched into
shit. And people loved him. Put on a record and hide!

Magnus

- -----------Go Buzz!------------
http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:34:58 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Turntables

Brian schrieb:

> Naah... the best was made right here in a Canda by a small company call=
ed
> Oracle (no connection to the computer people) who made that high end wo=
rk of
> art you saw in A Clockwork Orange.  I saw one in a used stereo store a =
few
> years ago and I almost jumped. Maybe next time. Moritz would appreciate=
 this
> one.. design in keeping with his Mac Cube!

The best designed stereo equipment I ever saw was from 1970s Chekoslowaki=
a... I don't know any "brand" name - brands in socialism are fancy words =
anyway - and I can't really explain how it looked like. It looked like a =
product from some over-styled science fiction movie croosed-over with an =
ars electronica computer graphics price winner and a fancy Herg=E9 Tintin=
 comic book design... just incredible....

Mo
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:39:15 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> Thee way I see it is that you need to search for peoples places and
> stuff with an added dimension to it. Sometimes that is necessary,
> sometimes it feels just right to stay in a 1 dimensional world. Music
> is an exceptional resort when you want to go away for awhile. Or just
> lie on your bed and pretend you dont exist, that works for me, I get my
> strength back. There are so much junk we are supposed to eat. King
> Midas came back, reversed himself and turned everything he touched into
> shit. And people loved him. Put on a record and hide!

philosophical worlds collide.... no, seriously: thanks for your comment, Magnus! Logical thinking often forgets, that the really interesting things in life are unexplicable! My great philosophical hero, Hegel, considered "music" as the one and only thing he couldn't explain.

Mo
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:32:53 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree

Alan says
>But I'm one of the losers and will probably remain that way.

Alan, repeat after me, I AM  NOT A LOSER.  Ypu've got to work on this
self esteem issue here.
BTW, tried to click on that auction, and it says it was not a valid #.
colleenintexas


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:19:45 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

You know, magnus asked me once to describe what exotica is/means to
me and I have been thinking about it a while.
I was raised in the 60's in a very dysfunctional household (father-
alcoholic, mother-manic-depressive, each blaming the other for their
(condition").  I did a lot of babysitting, and at one house, they had
a magnificent 6 ft. long entertainment console, and in this console
was...an fm radio!  At that time, the only station on it was
classical and an "easy listening" station.  I was entranced with the
easy listening station (and FM).  To me, it signified a world of
quiet elegance, where people drank unlimited cocktails and never got
drunk or caused a scene...ever. Cigarettes were smoked, yet your
breath was fresh and the air was clear.  Women sparkled, men were
cool, suave and gallant. I wanted this to be the "soundtrack of my
life"!  So I led a double life...I listened to the music of my
friends during the day (Beatles, Herman's Hermits, the Stones) and at
night, alone, I listened to the easy listening station on the tiny
transistor FM radio I'd requested for Christmas.  I honestly think it
saved my sanity.  It that world everything made sense and I could
think clearly.  Now and then, a crossover would hit the charts, like
Sinatra's Stranger in the Night and I would be ridiculed by my peers
for purchasing the album.  But I kept on listening, because I knew
this was the real world.
To this day, I listen to other music, I enjoy all kinds.  The last
few CD's other than exotica I have purchased are the new ones by
Sting, Santana, Steely Dan, Beatles 1, even the Dixie Chicks.  But my
real love is Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Perez Prado, Esquivel,
Jobim...etc, because you see, that's where the real world is.

Thanks for your time.



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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:49:03 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

Magnus wrote:

>I get a warm heart knowing there are others who likes what I likes,
spread around the globe.

God (or Allah, or buddah or Karim Abdul Jabar, whoever your higher
power or spiritual leader is) Bless the Internet.


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:03:17 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

>While not playing football today as usual...

Mo! Are you trying to tell us you're a closet jock?

>Unlike all other forms of art, music makes people aware of the structure
>of time

Music is a way for us to write graffiti on time.

Or to put it in more exotica terms -- Music is a way to daub paintings on
the cave of time.

Except that's probably irrelevant to what you were saying.

And how that elephant got in my pajamas... never mind.

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:46:29 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree

At 02:32 PM 2/25/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>
>Alan says
>>But I'm one of the losers and will probably remain that way.
>
>Alan, repeat after me, I AM  NOT A LOSER.  Ypu've got to work on this
>self esteem issue here.

When things go for 25 US dollars, I will lose.  I must admit that I had a
moment when I thought about paying whatever it took.  It does look very
very cool.
So cool that a fourth exotica-lister joined the fray.
I think the winner should make a CDR for each of the losers - or let's call
ourselves "less financially committed" instead.

AZ



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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:34:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

In a message dated 2/25/1 6:04:48 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>And how that elephant got in my pajamas... never mind.

We know ....  you're just glad to see us (sorry)


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:38:02 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to Peter Sloterdijk)

At 03:19 PM 2/25/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>
>At that time, the only station on it was
>classical and an "easy listening" station.  I was entranced with the
>easy listening station (and FM).  To me, it signified a world of
>quiet elegance,  I wanted this to be the "soundtrack of my
>life"!

How interesting.  I've never heard this version of the story before.
I grew up in the same era and "easy listening" - in its many forms - was
inescapable.  But I escaped it as much as I could.
That's not completely true.  I watched the variety shows and the talk
shows.  I watched them for glimpses of rock acts.  But I mostly saw
middle-of-the-road and easy listening acts.
And it all seemed to imprint itself upon me.  Or at least that's my theory
for how my taste eventually "returned" to music like this.
It's funny that this comes up now because I'm still working my way through
those issues of Playboy magazine that I mentioned a little while ago.
The one I'm reading now is from March 1965.  There are no rock records
reviewed in the review section.  But in the advice column, there's a
hilarious letter from a very worried parent whose children have created a
shrine to the Beatles. Playboy tells them to be patient and that the
Beatles phenomenon will eventually pass.

It's funny to remember the confusing ambivalent love/hate relationship I
had with the adult world as represented by Playboy, the Tonight Show,James
Bond, the Rat Pack.  In one way they were cool and in another way they were
painfully uncool.

I have to say that I don't really relate to Magnus's relationship to
exotica and I also don't see my love of easy listening and his love of
exotica as the same thing.  Or even close.  That's not to be read as some
kind of dispute with Magnus's experience since that would be retarded.
Right now I'm listening to a version of "Groovin" by a Canadian clarinet
player named Pat Riccio who played around my hometown a lot when I was
growing up. It's on one of four CDR's I've made exclusively from Canadian
Now Sound Lp's.
I get off on this for a number of what you might call "non-musical"
reasons.  The fact that the guy played around my hometown when I was a kid.
 The fact that he decided to start covering "rock" tunes.  The fact that on
the same record he covers an obscure Randy Newman cut "Simon Smith and his
Dancing Bear".
But I also like the tune. And I like the arrangement.
I think most of my enjoyment of easy listening is just that.  I like the
tunes and I like the arrangements.
It took me twenty years to give up my rock/jazz snobbishness and now I have
genuine appreciation for stuff I once would have shunned on principle.
But there is something more.  Sometimes.  I like the idea of jazz and big
band musicians and arrangers falling over themselves to respond to trends,
both musical and sociological.
That's why I like groovy soundtracks by guys like Frank DeVol (aka Happy
Kyne) who were "out of their element".
And that's why I like exotica.  Or the exotica that I do like.
I don't believe that exotica IS actually exotic.  It does not - to me -
suggest forests and monkeys and strange gods and beautiful exotic women.
It suggests a bunch of white men in a recording studio trying to make
sounds that they hope will create those images for record buyers.
I believe I can hear that.  That gives me some pleasure.
Plus I also like the tunes.

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:21:56 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) the black is back

A while back we were discussing the different colors available in CD-Rs.
I've debated mentioning this 'cause they're sooo cool that I was tempted to
keep the info to myself for a bit, but memorex now sells ... BLACK bottomed
CD-Rs!

My temptation followed this logic - I wanted those I trade CDs with to first
see them unexpectedly, not from knowledge that "they're out there," but I
don't trade with everyone here and I think you'll all be interested, so
there you go.

I've just bought a couple spindles of these 80 minute CD-Rs. They record
well and look killah, as close to vinyl as a CD is going to get. Yep, the
black is back!

Lou
(Memorex also has a discontinued line of "cool cd-rs" which come in 5 colors
- - blue, silver, yellow, orange & purple. They can still be found at the
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:26:04 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the black is back

Now here's an interesting bit of auto-list-management weirdness.
The first line of my post was this URL:
http://www.ememorex.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=127&pf%5Fid=32024750

The list-manager removed the URL but posted the rest of my message.

Weird!


At 10:21 PM 2/25/01 -0500, I wrote:

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>A while back we were discussing the different colors available in CD-Rs.
>I've debated mentioning this 'cause they're sooo cool that I was tempted to
>keep the info to myself for a bit, but memorex now sells ... BLACK bottomed
>CD-Rs!
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:55:04 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree

AZ wrote:
>I think the winner should make a CDR for each of the losers - or
let's call
ourselves "less financially committed" instead.

That's a good idea.  Might make everyone a little less "competative".


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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:05:39 -0600
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: (exotica) What does music? (according to PeterSloterdijk)

Alan wrote:

How interesting.  I've never heard this version of the story before.
I grew up in the same era and "easy listening" - in its many forms -
was
inescapable.  But I escaped it as much as I could.
That's not completely true.  I watched the variety shows and the talk
shows.  I watched them for glimpses of rock acts.  But I mostly saw
middle-of-the-road and easy listening acts.

My folks were only 17 years older than me, they were in their 20's
and loved Elvis, Pat Boone, etc.  As they reached their 30's, they
became somewhat "a-musical", didn't care for music at all.  Never
could figure it out.  To busy with four kids, I guess


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