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exotica-digest        Thursday, January 4 2001        Volume 02 : Number 863



In This Digest:

(exotica) Ken Burn's Jazz
(exotica) Re: Germany Exotica
(exotica) Info: Berlin...
Re: (exotica) Ken Burns' Jazz
(exotica) Raymond Scott
(exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues
(exotica) Ken Burns
(exotica) DickieDale
(exotica) Jazzz
Re: (exotica) Jazzz
Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues
(exotica) Carol Kaye
Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues
Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues
Re: (exotica) Jazzz
Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues
Re: (exotica) Jazzz
(exotica) Yo Vivire
Re: (exotica) Jazzz
Re: (exotica) Jazzz
Re: (exotica) Carol Kaye
Re:  Re: (exotica) Jazzz
Re:  Re: (exotica) Carol Kaye
Re: (exotica) Carol Kaye

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:59:02 -0800
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ken Burn's Jazz

>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:06:00 -0500
>From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Ken Burns's's Jazz
>
>As for Marsalis, there are better choices, I suppose, but there are indeed
>far worse (I won't defend Marsalis wholeheartedly until I see the show and
>could you imagine having to watch this show hosted by Kenny
>G(orelick)?  Ish.).

The objection to Marsalis isn't with his talents as a
musician. It's the political spin he insists on laying on
Jazz history. He sees the history of Jazz as a *racial*
history, and steadfastly refuses to acknowledge the
contributions of pioneering white Jazz artists.

One thing I have learned from my investigation of early
records is that the origins of Jazz were not as "black and
white" as some people make it out to be. There were a lot of
white "jass" bands, and there were a lot of white Jazz
musicians... from Benny Goodman to Django Reinhardt and Woody
Herman... all of whom made *significant* contributions to
the development of jazz in each and every era and style it
passed through in its history.

Hearing Ken Burns parrot Marsalis's statements like "The
history of Jazz is the story of the challenge that black
people faced in America." only serves to fan flames.

Jazz is the single most important artistic development
of the 20th century. It belongs to everyone. It doesn't
divide along racial lines as much as people on both sides
of the race issue would dearly love to characterize it
as splitting.

Jazz isn't a story of struggle over adversity. It's
a story of hundreds of very different people speaking
eloquently in the same language... a language that had
never been spoken before. The "messages" of jazz span the
entire range of human emotion, not just "triumph over
oppression". To say that, is to reduce Jazz to being "the
voice of victims". It isn't that. It's the voice of
everyone who had the pleasure of living through the 20th
century.

Louis Armstrong was the "Ambassador of Jazz" and he was a
"Citizen of the World". That's the perfect symbol of
what Jazz is. It doesn't matter where he was born or
what color he was. He expressed joy and sadness in a
way that just about everyone alive can understand. Heck,
even my dog likes to listen to my Louis Armstrong CDs.

That's my rant for the day. I won't be watching Jazz.
Not because I don't agree with its politics. I can roll
my eyes and let that roll off my back. I just can't take
the incredibly slow pace of Ken Burns's filmmaking. He
is the only person I know who can take a war and make
it boring. I won't let him ruin Jazz for me.

See ya
Steve


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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:23:34 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Germany Exotica

Otto schrieb:

> January 12th.
> The Place is BLAUER PETER IV, near Reeperbahn.
> I will spin my regular styles like in the good old days of the Tiki Lou=
nge.
> Namely: Surf, Exotica, groovy 60s Jazz, instrumentals and related
> mood=92n=92groove sounds. I plan to start at
> 22.00 /10pm cet until 5 am.
>
> Could you send this via Your mailing list? I thought I try.
>
> Happy new year and all the best
> Kahuna Kawentzmann

That guy is great. I heard him 4 years ago. Otto, can you send me his ema=
il
address off-list please!

Mo



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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:37:21 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Info: Berlin...

...in aller Kuerze:
Heute, am Donnerstag, den 4. Januar gibt es die zweite
ROCK-A-TIKI-LOUNGE im
Delicious Doughnuts. Es spielen "Lars Vegas & The Love Gloves", danach
legen
Bustin Bikini Beat & Cpt. Twist heisse Rock-A-Billy, Surf- und
Hula-Scheiben
auf. Dazu gibt es exotische Getraenke und allerlei andere Nettigkeiten.

Delicious Doughnuts, Rosenthaler Strasse 9 (Mitte) ab 21 Uhr.

- -Mo


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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:32:37 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ken Burns' Jazz

> >As for Marsalis, there are better choices, I suppose, but there are indeed
> >far worse (I won't defend Marsalis wholeheartedly until I see the show and
> >could you imagine having to watch this show hosted by Kenny
> >G(orelick)?  Ish.).
>
>The objection to Marsalis isn't with his talents as a
>musician. It's the political spin he insists on laying on
>Jazz history. He sees the history of Jazz as a *racial*
>history, and steadfastly refuses to acknowledge the
>contributions of pioneering white Jazz artists.

I haven't read much of Marsalis' commentary lately, so I can't speak to
that.  I can tell you what my old professor Jimmy Cheatham told me, which
was that The Original Dixieland Jass Band was the group to tour the world,
partially due to musicians like Freddie Keppard, who didn't wish to record
because he was worried people would steal his style and material.  This
also led many to believe that White people invented Jazz, which is as false
as saying that Jazz is a solely African-American art form.  The ODJB,
according to Gunther Schuller also made statements saying that they hired
fellows that didn't know anything about music, which could have stemmed
from both humor or as a defense from critics that said that it was not
music.  Statements such as these must have been hurtful to other musicians
of any color, however, considering the low social status of people of
color, one can imagine how that rankled.  The Klan has just been reborn,
you can have a pocket full of money and nowhere to spend it, you are denied
access to good schools and you are a purveyor of a great art form and some
fellow tells folks, "we hire folks that know nothing about
music".  Cute.  Is the history of Jazz a racial history?  Not solely, but
it does play into it.  If the best improvisers take in all of their
experiences, it has to.  That also goes for the Whites that decided to play
that "Race" music and the women who play with men even though it's
"well-known" that girls know nothing about Jazz.

I suppose there is a bit of sour grapes as to who does and doesn't get
acknowledged, but I for one still wince when I hear Benny Goodman called
the "King of Swing" (Great, yes, innovative, yes, even along integration
lines, King, no) when there were better Big Bands, or seeing the cartoons
with Jazz soundtracks that take place in the ooga-booga jungle with
monkey-faced natives.  I also get a bit itchy when I read the critic that
said that "Rhapsody in Blue made an honest woman out of Jazz".  After being
given back-handed respect for such a great art form, I can at least
understand where the viewpoint comes from.  I do agree that it is time to
more forward from it, though.

As for my Kenny G comment, I don't think you meant it that way, but I like
who I like without basing it in color.   Many of the greats didn't
either.  Lester Young liked Frankie Trumabauer and Western Swing, Ruth
Brown (I KNOW, not a Jazz singer...) loved to listen to Tex Beneke, Louis
Armstrong played with Jack Teagarden, etc.  I have an equal antipathy for
George Howard and Najee, but Kenny G is more popular, so I chose
him.  Having lived through the 1970's where variety shows fell from the
trees like leaves in autumn, I have lived through far too many shows and
specials that left me thinking, "What's (s)he doing hosting this?"

The other barrier is gender, too.  I would have liked to have seen the
International Sweethearts of Rhythm, Toshiko Akiyoshi, Marian McPartland or
Mary Lou Williams (pianist, composer and arranger!) mentioned, but I doubt
if that will happen, either.

>One thing I have learned from my investigation of early
>records is that the origins of Jazz were not as "black and
>white" as some people make it out to be. There were a lot of
>white "jass" bands, and there were a lot of white Jazz
>musicians... from Benny Goodman to Django Reinhardt and Woody
>Herman... all of whom made *significant* contributions to
>the development of jazz in each and every era and style it
>passed through in its history.

Certainly there were a lot of White bands.  They were allowed to record and
also, if you were a label owner and heard the ODJB, why wouldn't you go for
a White band?  Also, if you were a racist, why would you want to deal with
a "colored" band?  They might steal something, attack with razors or date
your sister (it sounds absurd now, thank Heaven, but then...)!  To most
labels' credit, before the days of market research and big corporate
labels, record companies would record darn near ANYone, just as long as
they thought it would sell.  I am sure you have run across, as I have, some
of the wildest records in old 78's, for example, there was a label that
guaranteed, "No harp", which is to say, no harmonicas, you have our
word.  Talk about niche!  Stylistically, I won't argue the choices, though.

I would however remove Reinhardt from your list.  He was a Gypsy and
therefore an outsider to a great degree, so one could conceivably argue race.

>Hearing Ken Burns parrot Marsalis's statements like "The
>history of Jazz is the story of the challenge that black
>people faced in America." only serves to fan flames.

See top paragraph.  I think that "The history of Jazz is IN PART the story
of the challenge(s) that black people faced in America".  I would like to
think that the statement, with amendments leads to "fire prevention", if
you will.  In part, I live for that day.

>Jazz is the single most important artistic development
>of the 20th century. It belongs to everyone. It doesn't
>divide along racial lines as much as people on both sides
>of the race issue would dearly love to characterize it
>as splitting.

Agreed.  For example, one of Ziggy Elman's solos featured a melody he heard
in Temple and it fit in because he brought something to the mix that is
Jazz.  However, it is well to get the origins right; I'll be watching.

>Jazz isn't a story of struggle over adversity. It's
>a story of hundreds of very different people speaking
>eloquently in the same language... a language that had
>never been spoken before. The "messages" of jazz span the
>entire range of human emotion, not just "triumph over
>oppression". To say that, is to reduce Jazz to being "the
>voice of victims". It isn't that. It's the voice of
>everyone who had the pleasure of living through the 20th
>century.

Agreed...mostly.  "Pleasure of living through the 20th century?"  I have
had it soft and I can tell of racial incidents that would be worth at least
a FEW songs :^).  Maybe I will wait until Ken Burns takes on the Blues.  I
would rather use the phrase "experience of living...".  Jazz isn't solely a
story of struggle over adversity and it would be stifling to go from that
viewpoint solely, which is what I think what you meant.  Also, if the State
Department sends you on a tour and you aren't Charles Drew, George
Washington Carver or Elijah McCoy (if you say "The Real McCoy" you are
using a phrase that meant that you wanted one of this great inventor's
products not a fake), but you are Louis Armstrong and they pick you, a
musician, not a Doctor or Scientist or Inventor, isn't that a story of a
struggle over adversity?  An illegitimate child born in poverty and racial
hatred that manages to end up defining the trumpet in Jazz?

>Louis Armstrong was the "Ambassador of Jazz" and he was a
>"Citizen of the World". That's the perfect symbol of
>what Jazz is. It doesn't matter where he was born or
>what color he was. He expressed joy and sadness in a
>way that just about everyone alive can understand. Heck,
>even my dog likes to listen to my Louis Armstrong CDs.

...and well both of you should!  Agreed, I don't recommend that everyone
that plays must deal with prejudice, be poor and starve to be great.  As
Harlan Ellison said, "The people that think that writers have to suffer for
their art are usually publishers".

>That's my rant for the day. I won't be watching Jazz.
>Not because I don't agree with its politics. I can roll
>my eyes and let that roll off my back. I just can't take
>the incredibly slow pace of Ken Burns's filmmaking. He
>is the only person I know who can take a war and make
>it boring. I won't let him ruin Jazz for me.

...and well you shouldn't!  It will take more than one program (which we
all haven't SEEN yet!) to fell Jazz.  If you don't like Burns, then you
don't and that is fine.  If it turns out to be that much of a misfire, with
the "status" that Burns brings to it that will be sad indeed.  From what I
can glean, he seems to have bitten off more than he can chew, but perhaps
being a closet hippie, I can also see that this project is in itself a
triumph, because it got made at all.  Which TV program on a broadcast
network do you tune into to see and hear great Jazz every week?  When has
that ever existed?

To look beyond Jazz, I am ticked at the USA because this and other art
forms just get flat out neglected.  A friend of mine lived in Italy for 17
years and she said that their familiarity with Opera was likened to how we
relate to soap operas on TV (or daytime dramas, if you wish to get PC about
it, or Mac or Unix about...AIEEEEE!).  Everyone knows the plots and has
their favorite singers.  In Russia, you could fill stadiums with Pushkin
poetry readings.  We have an embarrassment of riches in this country, yet
we still are letting much of it slip through our fingers and that is
sad.  I believe that animation is enjoying (help me here, Steve) a better
time artistically, but not before the dog days of the '60s and 70's when TV
didn't wish to spend too much money on them and the movie studios closed
their animation divisions, thereby losing people of the caliber of Vlad Tytla.

I am not so desperate that I feel if Britney Spears says the word Jazz in
an interview that I break out the good desserts and have a party, nor do I
believe that we are in such dire straits that someone would remake the Jazz
Singer with Neil Dia...HEY!

What am I saying?  I am saying, in a post that EASILY is as long as
anything Burns ever made is that I will be watching Jazz, because I dig
vintage footage, I am glad someone is taking notice, I still like Marsalis,
but am old and smart enough to know that one person isn't the spokesperson
for Jazz (he is a Consultant with a lot of airtime, so says the Atlantic
Monthly article), I have great respect for those who can play it from a
fellow who tried and couldn't and I am not mad at anyone, because Steve
makes some valid points.  "Not fussin', just talking", as my Cousin Sarah
used to say.

Does anyone on the list know of a show that generated so much talk on the
list BEFORE it aired?

General Sherman knocks a Texas Leaguer out of Antietam with a Selmer
Baritone Sax (which means that Burns woke up awful confused),
Brian Phillips





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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:37:00 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Raymond Scott

I can't recall if this has been mentioned before, but there's a
GREAT article about Raymond Scott in the December issue of
Electronic Musician, written by Jeff Winner and Irwin Chusid.

It's got lots of photos (Scott in his studio, the Clavivox,
Electronium, the Wall of Sound, etc.), plus interviews with Bob
Moog and other Scott colleagues and mentions of most of the CD
reissues, including "Manhattan Research, Inc".  Great stuff!

Apparently the article's also online at:

http://www.emusician.com/

but the website seems bogged down by slow-loading ad banners or
something, 'cause it's slowwwww.

Thanks for the space.

Darrell Brogdon
The Retro Cocktail Hour
KANU FM 91.5
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:29:50 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues

I've picked up copies of Permissive Polyphonics and Brass Menagerie 73 'new
issues'.
Overall I'm impressed with the quality, the sleeves are not gatefolds (I
don't know what they would have been like originally).  There are inserts
with the sort of notes that you'd get on the inside of the Command
gatefolds.  Bizarrely the insides of the sleeves seem to be printed.
The quality of the vinyl is pretty good, too.  clean, no obvious pops, the
brass menagerie one in particular has a really good sound.  Certainly
nothing like the murky mess that was the vinyl version of Dick Hymans 'Moog'
LP a couple of years ago.

As for what's on the records, I got Permissive Polyphonics first, and I was
disappointed,  I don't think its anywhere near as good as 'Spaced Out',
perhaps I was over anticipating after Robbies comments just before
Christmas,  or maybe it has something to do with only paying 20p for Spaced
Out rather than 13 UKPounds.  I don't know.  There are a couple of things I
really like, but It doesn't surprise me and appeal in the way that Spaced
Out does every time I play it.

I got Brass Menagerie 73 yesterday, I've only had one chance to play it, but
this seems much more like it.  Maybe I'm bouncing back,  having approached
it with lower expectations.  It has a tendency to go off into Jazz soloing
at times, which I don't really appreciate,  but it sounds great (theres
some great electric bass on it, really good sound, playing a nice groovy
bass line,  just how I like it),  and some wonderful arrangements.  Robbie
was right about the Dick Hyman track being out of place,  the last track is
a multitracked Moog only piece.  On a Brass Menagerie LP?

I think that leaves me looking for 'Discotheque' now and not much more from
Enoch Light really. I'm going to make up a tape of the grooviest tracks to
lay in the Capri while driving about in the summer.


El Maestro Con Queso

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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:52:33
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Ken Burns

>I NOTICED SUN RA'S ABSENCE INSTANTLY.

As pointed out by others, no documentary could possibly include everything.

I'll just add that Sun Ra's stature as the Only Jazz Musician Acknowledged
By The Indie Rock Generation is a very recent development, and perhaps
outside the scope of such a production.



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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:50:49 -0500
From: "The Workmans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) DickieDale

The Hendrix story rings true to me, too. Tongue in cheek, at the worst. I
don't feel that I would probably see Mr.Dale if he came to town, but for the
cost of a ticket I am getting a lot of enjoyment out of the three comeback
CDs (I guess I "bought" at least 3 tickets then huh!!)  Seriously, I do
think he is quite pretentious and definitely stuck on himself. I guess if I
could play a guitar upside down and strung backward, bass strings toward
floor, I might think I was pretty cool too. Oh Well. The air guitar
continues to be impressive...J Workman
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:38:02 -0800
From: The Millionaire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jazzz

Oddly, for the occasionally culturally confused place that it is, Los
Angeles has a fine all-jazz radios staion:KLON.

I think this is the first station of it's kind I've ever experienced. I'm
NOT counting SMOOVE "jazz"...that's a form of music whose appeal continues
to elude me, to put it in an overly polite manner.

Are there other dedicated Jazz radios stations elsewhere to anyones
knowledge? I'm curious.

Cioa,

The Millionaire


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die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -Hunter S. Thompson




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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:11:03 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jazzz

>Are there other dedicated Jazz radios stations elsewhere to anyones
>knowledge? I'm curious.

KLON is a great station (I worked there for a short time) and here in
Atlanta, we have WCLK, which mixes up the straight-ahead and the
fusion.  It broadcasts out of Clark University.  They brought Sonny Rollins
to town, for which I am extremely grateful, one of the best concerts I have
ever seen.

WBGO in Newark is nothing short of amazing.  When I was there last, they
were running a show in which the DJ ran an aural comparison of a
saxophonist's solos in three performances of the same song.  I was captivated.

Brian Phillips





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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:25:33 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues

At 03:29 PM 1/4/01 -0000, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>As for what's on the records, I got Permissive Polyphonics first, and I was
>disappointed,  I don't think its anywhere near as good as 'Spaced Out',
  There are a couple of things I
>really like, but It doesn't surprise me and appeal in the way that Spaced
>Out does every time I play it.

Are you saying that Spaced Out is the best one?  That Spaced Out is the one
to have?  Figures.
I have Permissive.  I'm getting Brass Menagerie 73 in the mail from ebay so
I don't know if it's an original or a reissue.  I have three Discotheque
volumes.  And I have the Corporation, which you didn't mention.
But Spaced Out is one of those records, like everything by the Free Design,
which keeps going for over 20 bucks on ebay everytime it shows up and I'm
afraid I'll never get one.  So where did you get this reissue and how much
was it?  I want to stop buying records as soon as possible.

AZ



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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:42:02 -0800
From: The Millionaire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Carol Kaye

Oh yeah...forgot my regular bit of shameless promo!!

Carol Kaye, the protean bass player and cornerstone of the gang of Los
Angeles seesion musicians known as "The Wrecking Crew" will be a guest on
LuxuriaMusic this Friday, Jan.5, at 6 PM (pacific standard time).

Ms.Kaye has played on, among other things,the "Mission:Impossible"
soundtrack,"Pet Sounds",David Axelrod's "Songs of Innocence",Herb Alpert's
"Whipped Cream and Other Delights", Frank Sinatra's "The World We Knew", the
"Batman" theme and many many many more!!!

Dig it!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled Exotica List.

The Millionaire


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plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men
die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -Hunter S. Thompson



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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:10:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues

In a message dated 1/4/1 3:25:03 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Are you saying that Spaced Out is the best one?  That Spaced Out is the one
>to have?  Figures.
>I have Permissive.  I'm getting Brass Menagerie 73

I found "Glittering Guitars" up in Vermont this fall. It has Vinnie Bell on
two tracks underwatering his way around the song and some sitar tracks...Also
Enoch's take on the shrill sound of the rock guitar solo circa '68...Track
for track its right up there. In the Top Five anyway. I think.   JB/tryin' to
end the post like "Nat"


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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:20:45 -0600
From: Paul Dean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues

I love the Glittering Guitars album too.  The opening measures are pure Tipsy
(The first for bars are in one of their trademark composition, but I forget
which one) .  The second track, You Showed Me is fantastic, I think.   And the
rest of the record is contantly entertaining and delightful!

paul, having recently finished reading Elevator Music, his life changed forever
. . .





[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 1/4/1 3:25:03 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Are you saying that Spaced Out is the best one?  That Spaced Out is the one
> >to have?  Figures.
> >I have Permissive.  I'm getting Brass Menagerie 73
>
> I found "Glittering Guitars" up in Vermont this fall. It has Vinnie Bell on
> two tracks underwatering his way around the song and some sitar tracks...Also
> Enoch's take on the shrill sound of the rock guitar solo circa '68...Track
> for track its right up there. In the Top Five anyway. I think.   JB/tryin' to
> end the post like "Nat"



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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:10:31 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jazzz

The Millionaire schrieb:

> Are there other dedicated Jazz radios stations elsewhere to anyones
> knowledge? I'm curious.

Here in Munich we have Jazzwelle Plus, but it has seen better days. Today it's
more like "Relax FM". But there is one TV channel that is broadcasting
recordings of live jazz concerts almost every night. It's pretty dedicated,
although I'd probably make a different selection, if I was the guy in charge.
Still...

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:58:04 -0000
From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch light - vinyl reissues

El Maestro wrote:

> I've picked up copies of Permissive Polyphonics and Brass Menagerie 73
> 'new issues'. Overall I'm impressed with the quality, the sleeves are
> not gatefolds (I don't know what they would have been like
> originally).

I'm glad to hear they're good quality "reissues".  The covers were
both originally gatefolds by the way.

> As for what's on the records, I got Permissive Polyphonics first, and
> I was disappointed,  I don't think its anywhere near as good as
> 'Spaced Out', perhaps I was over anticipating after Robbies comments
> just before Christmas,  or maybe it has something to do with only
> paying 20p for Spaced Out rather than 13 UKPounds.

I'm sad you may have wasted cash on this record.  I just prefer the
much more dominant Moog on Permissive (as well as the utterly
bizarre arrangements!).  Spaced Out is of course a great album too
but in my opinion not in the same league as Permissive.

> I got Brass Menagerie 73 yesterday, I've only had one chance to play
> it, but this seems much more like it.  Maybe I'm bouncing back,
> having approached it with lower expectations.  It has a tendency to go
> off into Jazz soloing at times, which I don't really appreciate,  but
> it sounds great (theres some great electric bass on it, really good
> sound, playing a nice groovy bass line,  just how I like it),  and
> some wonderful arrangements.

Yes, I love the drumming and bass playing on all the Project 3
records I've heard.

> Robbie was right about the Dick Hyman
> track being out of place,  the last track is a multitracked Moog only
> piece.  On a Brass Menagerie LP?

Indeed!

> I think that leaves me looking for 'Discotheque' now and not much more
> from Enoch Light really.

Yes, all the Discotheque LPs (3 on Command, 1 on Project 3) are
well worth seeking out.


Robbie


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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:16:59 -0800 (PST)
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jazzz

[e-mail] wrote:

> Are there other dedicated Jazz radios stations elsewhere to
> anyones
> knowledge? I'm curious.
>
My fave in the western suburbs of Boston is WICN out of Worcester MA.

www.wicn.org

Jazz all day and late night and folk/blues/ american roots in the evenings.

The program I think would be of interest to list members would be "Joes Place" Saturday's 12-4PM where Joe focuses on that late 50's early 60's era.




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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:01:14 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Yo Vivire

Okay,

I was in Orlando, on the way to Disneyworld and heard a rockin' Cubano
version of I Will Survive in Spanish.  Who did it?  Anyone?  I'm sure it's
modern, but I have no idea where to look or who to ask.  Is anyone on this
list into modern Hispanic music, and might know what I'm talking about?

Please help!
Peter



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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:48:26 -0600
From: "Phil Ford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jazzz

Minneapolis has a jazz radio station, KBEM, and it actually plays real jazz
- -- I just heard a nice Willie the Lion Smith special feature, for ex. But it
is so strapped for cash it has to share its programming time with the
Minnesota Department of Transportation. (Hence its peculiar slogan, "real
jazz, real traffic".) They also have some deal worked out with Minneapolis
public schools, so when you're not hearing traffic reports, you're hearing
high school student announcers locked in an unequal struggle with the
pronunciation of the musicians' names.

Also, Leigh Kamman does a great show on Minnesota Public Radio called The
Jazz Image. (One of the only good MPR music shows, and it's on their news
service.) Does anybody hear it outside the Twin Cities?

Phil Ford

>
>Oddly, for the occasionally culturally confused place that it is, Los
>Angeles has a fine all-jazz radios staion:KLON.
>
>I think this is the first station of it's kind I've ever experienced. I'm
>NOT counting SMOOVE "jazz"...that's a form of music whose appeal continues
>to elude me, to put it in an overly polite manner.
>
>Are there other dedicated Jazz radios stations elsewhere to anyones
>knowledge? I'm curious.
>
>Cioa,
>
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Date: 4 Jan 2001 18:48:46 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jazzz

At 11:38 AM 04-01-01 -0800, The Millionaire wrote:
>Are there other dedicated Jazz radios stations elsewhere to anyones
>knowledge? I'm curious.

KMHD-FM in Gresham, OR (Portland Metro area) is all jazz, run by a
community college and quite good.  I haven't heard anything from them that
wouldn't be considered jazz.

Byron


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Date: 4 Jan 2001 18:57:10 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Carol Kaye

At 12:42 PM 04-01-01 -0800, the Millionaire wrote:
>Carol Kaye, the protean bass player and cornerstone of the gang of Los
>Angeles seesion musicians known as "The Wrecking Crew" will be a guest on
>LuxuriaMusic this Friday, Jan.5, at 6 PM (pacific standard time).

I just ran across an interview with her on the web where she talks about
folks such as Frankie Capp (the guy I was doing a search on). She sounds
like an interesting and probably extraordinary musician and I hope to tune in!

Byron


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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:29:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Jazzz

In a message dated 1/4/1 9:46:00 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>I haven't heard anything from them that wouldn't be considered jazz.

by whom? (pardon the asshole english!)


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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:36:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Carol Kaye

In a message dated 1/4/1 9:54:42 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Carol Kaye, the protean bass player and cornerstone of the gang of Los
>>Angeles seesion musicians known as "The Wrecking Crew" will be a guest on
>>LuxuriaMusic this Friday, Jan.5, at 6 PM (pacific standard time).
>
> She sounds like an interesting and probably extraordinary musician and I
hope to tune in!

All of that she indeed is. And she deserves respect for her labors. But let's
not let  God-Like Status be applied to (ANYONE, PLEASE!). A fellow exotica
list member, also a soft pop list member has been censlred for non-PC
e-mails.....NO BODY IS GOD IN THIS REALM.


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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:41:16 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Carol Kaye

Carol famously started as a jazz guitarist and started getting session gigs
because she was one of the first people to pick up the Fender electric bass.
She and Joe Osborne are the definitive LA session bass players.  It would be
interesting to compare her style to Joe's, hear about forming a rhythm
section with Hal Blaine, and of course, get the scoop on all those amazing
sessions she played on.  Would also be interesting to hear about the West
Coast Jazz scene that she played in simultaneously (as a guitarist).

- --David

In a message dated 1/4/01 6:54:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< At 12:42 PM 04-01-01 -0800, the Millionaire wrote:
 >Carol Kaye, the protean bass player and cornerstone of the gang of Los
 >Angeles seesion musicians known as "The Wrecking Crew" will be a guest on
 >LuxuriaMusic this Friday, Jan.5, at 6 PM (pacific standard time).

 I just ran across an interview with her on the web where she talks about
 folks such as Frankie Capp (the guy I was doing a search on). She sounds
 like an interesting and probably extraordinary musician and I hope to tune
in!

 Byron
  >>


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