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exotica-digest        Friday, December 22 2000        Volume 02 : Number 857



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Odds Against Tomorrow & Kiss Me Kill Me
Re: (exotica) Odds Against Tomorrow & Kiss Me Kill Me
(exotica) Up With People
Re: (exotica) Kerstfeest Muziek
(exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc
Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc
Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc
(exotica) Mexican Horrors
(exotica) Organic Needles Aren't What They're Cracked Up To Be
Re: (exotica) Mexican Horrors
(exotica) Double Odds Against Tomorrow
Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc
(exotica) Soy Sauce Music CDR Track Listing
(exotica) Tiki Exotica CDR Track Listing
(exotica) Tiki Exotica CDR Track Listing
Re: (exotica) Kerstfeest Muziek
Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc
Re: (exotica) fwd: Cool Fact: Gramophone Needles
Re: (exotica) Organic Needles Aren't What They're Cracked Up To Be
(exotica) Amiga-A-Go-Go, Vols. 1 & 2
(exotica) Ventures was Enoch/Moog/etc
RE: (exotica) Odds Against Stan Kenton
(exotica) betty page
Re:  (exotica) Amiga-A-Go-Go, Vols. 1 & 2
(exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
RE: (exotica) betty page
Re: (exotica) betty page
Re: (exotica) Amiga-A-Go-Go, Vols. 1 & 2

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:49:19 -0500
From: George Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Odds Against Tomorrow & Kiss Me Kill Me

The MJQ version is called "Patterns," I think - it was re-issued later with
a different title, & I forget which was which. Maybe not as good as the OST
to my ears, but I'm with you all as far as having Odds at at the top of my
soundtrack list, so no, uh, crime.
I like a lot of the 3rd Stream stuff of that era; much of it strikes me as
pretty soundtrack-y as well, like the "Gunther Schuller presents the Brass
Society of..." - can't recall exactly, I'm at work - but it was reissued on
CD a couple years ago, w/compositions by Lewis, Schuller & JJ Johnson +
soloists Miles Davis & Dizzy Gillespie, etc.
  gh

>alan  zweig wrote:
>
        >Wait a second.  Are you saying that the OST does or does
not feature the MJQ of >which John Lewis is a member?
        >Or are you saying that there are two records?  One an OST
and the other a MJQ >record with some music from the film.
        >In any case, all members of the MJQ do play on the OST but
they're not identified as >such.
        >AZ


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:05:58 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Odds Against Tomorrow & Kiss Me Kill Me

>Maybe in Jan I'll
>post a best-of the 200 euro/asian/trash DVD's I've bought or rented from
>Netflix or bite the bullet and do a web page or at least post the best links
>for y'all. In the meantime, Doris "Nude On the Moon" Wishman can do no
>wrong, and Space Thing is the best/worst film ever - think stunning
>technicolor Plan 9 in the nude with groovy music by the guy who supposedly
>scored surf film The Endless Summer. Ah hell, here's a start in no
>particular order:

No list of astounding movies would be complete without "Autopsia de un
Fantasma" ("Autopsy Of A Ghost", Mexico, 1966). Perhaps it would be less
inexplicable and amazing if I knew Spanish, but not much less. A
disorienting horror/comedy in full color. Imagine Bunuel colliding with 60s
US monster mania. Or something like that. John Carradine plays Satan, Basil
Rathbone is a ghost, Cameron Mitchell is a mad scientist with a wacky
family. Also Basil's ambulatory skeleton, a robot, a gorilla, babes in
bikinis, comedians with scary high voices (one is an
early-Jerry-Lewis-from-hell), weird machines, garage rock teenagers packing
the jury box in a courtroom scene, etc, etc.

Music ranges from a garage rock instrumental under the opening titles
(presented as a puppet show!) to passages that remind me of the Mothers Of
Invention late 60s chamber music-style stuff (circa "Uncle Meat").

This movie is impossible for me to accurately describe. It's one that you
just have to see to believe. Long live (director) Ismael Rodriguez!

m.ace  [e-mail]
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:22:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Up With People

I thought they were called "Hooray For Everything" on the Simpsons. I
remember them coming to my highschool for a performance. They did jubilant
cover versions of such songs as Sussudio. May they rest in peace.
Jon Cook


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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:24:25 +0100
From: Ton =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=FCckert?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Kerstfeest Muziek

=20
>Think I got that right.=20

Almost.

Kerstmuziek.


>A Sunny Day with Sanny Day. This features a swinging
>version of Let it Snow (the only Christmas song on
>this live and lively collection of lounge-pop
>standards). Sanny is or was Dutch, and very popular
>overseas (according to the liner notes).=20


Was Dutch, from Amsterdam, and Sanny Day was not her real=20
name, wasn't it Suzy M=F6ller or was she someone else?=20
Popular? Maybe before my time, but certainly not very.


>Her band, on
>this lp, is very fine. Really not much information on
>her on the web.


That band is probably The Millers, named after bandleader/
guitarist Ab de Molenaar, Miller in Dutch.



>Christmas with Heintje: Don't know the word for
>horrible, but this is.=20


Have no idea whether Jantje Smit, the new Heintje and also=20
hugely popular in Germany, has already a Christmas CD out,
but it'll be something to dread far more than anything=20
Heintje ever did.=20
'Verschrikkelijk' is the word, seems too horrible for an=20
American to pronounce anyway.

Cheers, Ton


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:23:05 -0500
From: "The Workmans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc

I have Spaced Out on a budget cd from SJB (or somesuch label). It is very
good, however the cd seems to be like a cd-r, where I can here a lot of
popping at quiet parts and beginnings before it kicks up. Is this possible
or is this "due to limitations of analog recording" circa 68/69?  Robbie--I
wrote you back in the summer about my thrift store finds of 6-lp box sets
from Motorola of Command lps. They are in very good shape, with actual
Command inner sleeves and stating on the front of the box "set B, set C",
etc...Also picked up Best of Moog, 60s and 70s CD, featuring
Perrey/Kingsley, Hayman, Hyman, Hot Butter, etc. Very Moogy indeed. Do any
of you feel the Ventures qualify to be discussed here? Just wondering, as I
picked up several 2 in 1 lp on CD sets...Thanks for listening--J Workman
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:39:16 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc

> I have Spaced Out on a budget cd from SJB (or somesuch label). It is very
> good, however the cd seems to be like a cd-r, where I can here a lot of
> popping at quiet parts and beginnings before it kicks up. Is this possible
> or is this "due to limitations of analog recording" circa 68/69?

Yeah, I'm guessing it's due to the limitations of the vinyl they probably
cut it from.

Peter



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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:41:27 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc

At 08:23 PM 12/21/00 -0500, The Workmans wrote:
>
. Do any
>of you feel the Ventures qualify to be discussed here?

We do and we have.  Go ahead.  I have three (more) on their way here via
ebay.
I am not, however, attempting to collect ALL the Ventures records, only the
ones recorded between 1964 and about 1973.
Which ones do you like?



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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:57:38 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Mexican Horrors

> No list of astounding movies would be complete without "Autopsia de un
> Fantasma" ("Autopsy Of A Ghost", Mexico, 1966).

Mexican horror movies are the coolest!  Back in my misspent youth, I
worked at a low-rent TV station in Texas.  The owner leased a batch
of horror movies, all of which turned out to be dubbed Mexican horror
and sci-fi films from the late '50s to the mid '60s.  The package had
everything from "Wrestling Women vs. the Aztec Mummy" and "The
Braniac" to "The Black Pit of Dr. M" and "Castle of the Monsters".

The Mexicans expertly captured the classic look of the Universal
horror films of the '30s and '40s, but grafted onto them elements of
movie serials, comic books and professional wrestling.  What a
bizarro combination!

See!  The big-headed monster in "The Brainiac" suck out people's
brains with his super-long tongue!

See!  Two gorgeous Mexican babes (Gloria Venus and The Golden
Ruby, no less!) kick the crap out of two dozen bad guys -- without
even messing up their hair!

See!  Superhero Angel (you know he's The Angel because he
wears a dirty white t-shirt with a big "A" on the front) spout such
dubbed drivel as, "I've devoted my life to fighting crime.  There's
so much of it around."  What th--??

Haven't seen these movies in a long time, but they were incredible.
At the time, I thought I was watching movies from another planet!  If
anything defines "cinema exotica", it's Mexican horror movies.

And speaking of things South of the Border, anybody here check out
"Mambo Santa Mambo" yet?  It's a swell collection of Christmas tunes
done Latin-style, with tracks by Esquivel, Joe Loco, Celia Cruz, The
Flashcats, The Enchanters and Hernando Hopkins.  It was worth the
price just for Hugo Winterhalter's "Christmas Song Cha Cha".

Pass the jalapenos!


Darrell Brogdon
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KANU FM 91.5
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:47:57 -0800
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Organic Needles Aren't What They're Cracked Up To Be

>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:25:02 -0500
>From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) fwd: Cool Fact: Gramophone Needles
>
>The most expensive needles, which also produced the best sound, were
>made out of softer materials like pig bristles or carved bamboo
>slivers.

That actually isn't true. The best sound comes with a loud tone steel
needle for acoustic recordings, and soft tone steel needles for
electrical recordings. There are several problems with bamboo or
cactus needles. For one thing, they are so soft, they can become
worn before the side even finishes playing. And they have a nasty
tendency to leave piles of organic matter in the grooves. If the
record is washed, this turns to goo. A pass with a steel needle
will clean the groove out, but if you play it on a modern turntable,
your needle will become encased in the goo. A real mess. (It happened
to me on some stuff I got at ebay.)

A modern cartridge and turntable is the safest when it comes to
wear, followed by steel needles, then organic needles, and lastly
the so called "permanent" Tungstone needles. By far the worst
thing for a record (aside from a rusty nail) is a worn steel
needle. They should be replaced religiously after each side
played.

See ya
Steve


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:50:36 -0600
From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mexican Horrors

Darrell Brogdon wrote:

> Haven't seen these movies in a long time, but they were incredible.
> At the time, I thought I was watching movies from another planet!  If
> anything defines "cinema exotica", it's Mexican horror movies.

And leave us not forget "El Rey de las Pelφculas Mejicanas del Horror"...El
Santo...AKA Samson.

I grew up watching the big silver-masked hombre in Lucha Libre monster classics
like El Santo Contra El Cerebro Diabolico (Samson Vs. The Diabolical Brain) at
3AM on local TV in Los Angeles and they are queso of the highest quality.
There's a mighty fine webpage on El Santo here:

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~dwilt/santo.html

- --
Matt Marchese
"I've been havin' this nightmare......a real swinger of a
nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate)
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:13:03 -0800
From: "jim gerwitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Double Odds Against Tomorrow

<Or are you saying that there are two records?  One an OST and the other a
MJQ record with some music from the film.
In any case, all members of the MJQ do play on the OST but they're not
identified as such.>

There were indeed two releases, the OST with JL & the MJQ(doh, Belafonte
played the vibes in the film):
http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A84490

and the MJQ doin' their own thing stretching out on a few of the numbers:
http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A144105

BTW can you get find me one of those Videodrome TV's in case Shania Twain
ever gets back to work again?
Ever grateful,
JB (wishin he were Gloria Grahame's stepson)



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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:14:39 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc

In a message dated 12/21/00 8:23:23 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I have Spaced Out on a budget cd from SJB (or somesuch label). It is very

good, however the cd seems to be like a cd-r, where I can here a lot of

popping at quiet parts and beginnings before it kicks up. Is this possible

or is this "due to limitations of analog recording" circa 68/69?  >>

Personally, I think that and the antiquated stereo effects (now we're in the
left speaker! Now we're in the right!) is part of what makes this album so
charming. Good budget CDs are so few and far between, but this is one of the
best $6 or $7 I've ever spent.

- --Rod
www.hitchmagazine.com


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:46:23 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Soy Sauce Music CDR Track Listing

I finished creating a comp of all the "oriental" tracks from my Martin
Denny and Arthur Lyman CDs. These are pretty much arranged
chronologically for each artist. I know I'm missing some songs which
never made it to CD but you know...

Interestingly, while Lyman and Denny both covered a lot of the same
material, only one song is represented by both artists.

Martin Denny
1. Hong Kong Blues
2. China Nights
3. Ah Me Furi
4. Japanese Farewell Song
5. Little China Doll
6. Narcissus Queen
7. March Of The Siamese Children
8. Sukara
9. Buddhist Bells
10. M'Bira
11. On A Little Street In Singapore
12. Chinese Lullaby
13. Ringo Oiwake
14. Limehouse Blues
15. Sake Rock
16. Firecracker
17. Sukiyaki

Arthur Lyman
18. Ringo Oiwake
19. China Clipper
20. Katsumi Love Theme
21. Sakura
22. March of the Siamese Children
23. Ye Lai Sian
24. Otome San (Japanese Drinking Song)

- -Kevin
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:53:20 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tiki Exotica CDR Track Listing

Went through my Exotica CDs and created a "tiki" exotica best of. Don't
worry, Baxter and Sumac fans, a "jungle" exotica CD is next (Oriental
exotica also excluded). This comp is obviously heavy on the Denny and
Lyman (as it should be!) with a few others sprinkled in for extra spice.
The idea here was to create a CD you could give to someone new to the
genre and give them an idea of the "tiki" style music.

Would love to see similar lists from others out there... (esp. based off
of relatively available material)

1. Martin Denny - Quiet Village
2. Don Tiki (w/Martin Denny) - Exotica '97
3. Chaino - Bad & Beautiful
4. Martin Denny - Coronation
5. Martin Denny - Similau
6. 80 Drums Around The World - Caravan
7. Martin Denny - The Girlfriend Of The Whirling Dervish
8. Arthur Lyman - Babalik Ka Rin
9. Robert Drasnin - Voodoo
10. Martin Denny - The Young Savages
11. Arthur Lyman - Taboo
12. Arthur Lyman - Hawaiian War Chant
13. Wesley Edwards - Alika
14. South Seas Serenaders - Taboo
15. Robert Drasnin - Chant Of The Moon
16. Martin Denny - Voodoo Dreams
17. Robert Drasnin - Desiree
18. Martin Denny - Aku Aku
19. Martin Denny - Hypnotique (sitar)
20. Arthur Lyman - Taboo Tu
21. The Gene Rains Group - Bangkok Cock Fight
22. Martin Denny - Taboo
23. Arthur Lyman - Yellow Bird
24. Martin Denny - Exotica - Voodoo Love

- -Kevin


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:53:20 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tiki Exotica CDR Track Listing

Went through my Exotica CDs and created a "tiki" exotica best of. Don't
worry, Baxter and Sumac fans, a "jungle" exotica CD is next (Oriental
exotica also excluded). This comp is obviously heavy on the Denny and
Lyman (as it should be!) with a few others sprinkled in for extra spice.
The idea here was to create a CD you could give to someone new to the
genre and give them an idea of the "tiki" style music.

Would love to see similar lists from others out there... (esp. based off
of relatively available material)

1. Martin Denny - Quiet Village
2. Don Tiki (w/Martin Denny) - Exotica '97
3. Chaino - Bad & Beautiful
4. Martin Denny - Coronation
5. Martin Denny - Similau
6. 80 Drums Around The World - Caravan
7. Martin Denny - The Girlfriend Of The Whirling Dervish
8. Arthur Lyman - Babalik Ka Rin
9. Robert Drasnin - Voodoo
10. Martin Denny - The Young Savages
11. Arthur Lyman - Taboo
12. Arthur Lyman - Hawaiian War Chant
13. Wesley Edwards - Alika
14. South Seas Serenaders - Taboo
15. Robert Drasnin - Chant Of The Moon
16. Martin Denny - Voodoo Dreams
17. Robert Drasnin - Desiree
18. Martin Denny - Aku Aku
19. Martin Denny - Hypnotique (sitar)
20. Arthur Lyman - Taboo Tu
21. The Gene Rains Group - Bangkok Cock Fight
22. Martin Denny - Taboo
23. Arthur Lyman - Yellow Bird
24. Martin Denny - Exotica - Voodoo Love

- -Kevin


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:50:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Kerstfeest Muziek

> >A Sunny Day with Sanny Day. This features a
> swinging
> >version of Let it Snow (the only Christmas song on
> >this live and lively collection of lounge-pop
> >standards). Sanny is or was Dutch, and very popular
> >overseas (according to the liner notes).

> Was Dutch, from Amsterdam, and Sanny Day was not her
> real
> name, wasn't it Suzy M÷ller or was she someone else?
>
God knows. Not mentioned. Sounds sort of faux Korean.

>
> That band is probably The Millers, named after
> bandleader/
> guitarist Ab de Molenaar, Miller in Dutch.

Seems Sanny had her heyday during the 40s, but kept
her groove at least up until the 60s, filling in as a
ski instuctor (a Bond girl). The Millers and The
Atlantics are mentioned on the lp. This seems to be a
latter day combo. Guitarist is Frans  van Lankeren,
brother Rob on piano, Coen van Nassou on vibes. My lp
is signed, I just noticed. Joy.

>
> >Christmas with Heintje: Don't know the word for
> >horrible, but this is.

> 'Verschrikkelijk' is the word, seems too horrible
> for an
> American to pronounce anyway.

I think I pronounced that once with my femur. Compound
fracture.

=====
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:41:34 +0000
From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch/Moog/etc

J Workman wrote:

> I have Spaced Out on a budget cd from SJB (or somesuch label). It
> is very good, however the cd seems to be like a cd-r, where I can
> here a lot of popping at quiet parts and beginnings before it kicks up.
> Is this possible or is this "due to limitations of analog recording"
> circa 68/69?

It's nothing to do with the original recordings: Enoch Light's recording
techniques are widely accepted as being pretty impeccable and certainly
wouldn't have had any pops or crackles.

No, sadly this is due to the fact that SPJ mastered the CD from a vinyl
copy of the album.  SPJ/Intercontinental actually now own the Project 3
catalog (and all the master tapes)* and when I found this out I was
worried that the tapes for Spaced Out might have disappeared or
disintegrated but it turns out that they simply couldn't find them!!!

I have to say I find this slightly hard to believe and surprising that
they didn't bother to put more time into locating the tapes before
issuing the CD.

However, I gather they have also had a request to license Spaced Out for
another Japanese re-issue so hopefully they'll manage to lay their hands
on the tapes by then!

[ * listees might also be interested to know that SPJ own the Vox and
Turnabout catalogs! ]


Robbie

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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:59:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) fwd: Cool Fact: Gramophone Needles

In a message dated 12/21/00 5:26:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< The most expensive needles, which also produced the best sound, were
 made out of softer materials like pig bristles or carved bamboo
 slivers.  These soft needles did not produce as much hiss and crackle
 as the steel needles and did not wear out the records.  >>

they also made a special tool to re-sharpen the bristle, thorn and bamboo
needles.

and in all fairness to steel needles, they are a "soft" steel.  these steel
needles actually wear down pretty quickly -- say 3 or 4 plays.  some people
would (do) rotate the needle after a few plays to get more life from the
needle.  this practice does wear down the record.

the 78's were pretty "hard" compared to almost all of the steel needles
produced.  i don't think they wear as much as this discussion has suggested.
i have some records, like the Christmas ones, that i have played hundreds of
times (and were probably played a lot before i got them) and they do not seem
to have appreciably worn.

there was a big concern when LPs started hitting the scene because most knew
that vinyl is much softer than the old 78s (shellac or otherwise).  there is
supposedly no (to the most minimal) wear of diamond and sapphire styli.  in
vinyl, if something is going to give, it is going to be the vinyl record.

you cannot judge a 78s' condition on appearance as you can vinyl.  if you see
a big scratch on vinyl, you can bet you will hear it.  i have some 78s that
look like someone drug a knife across them and it doesn't effect the playback.

now DON'T read this email and think that i think the 78 is the best medium of
all time.  i am just sharing information that i have gathered over the last
11 years of 78 and Victrola collecting.

the most common hiss problem with Victrola-like players is that the seal on
the amplifying diaphram is bad, or even worse, the mica diaphram itself is
cracked or broken.

btw, my fav Xmas 78 is Yogi Yorgesson's "I yust go nuts at Christmas."  My
favorite non-Christmas 78 is Johnny Hemp and the Kentucky Serenaders' "Keep
your sunny side up."

i have played those records hundreds of times and the are not appreciably
showing wear.

i hope everybody has a good Christmas weekend.

tb



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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:03:23 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Organic Needles Aren't What They're Cracked Up To Be

In a message dated 12/21/00 7:43:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< By far the worst
 thing for a record (aside from a rusty nail) is a worn steel
 needle. They should be replaced religiously after each side
 played.

 See ya
 Steve >>

i agree with steve on the above statement.  i usually replace the needles
after about 3 plays.  the steel needles are so cheap that i probably should
replace them as steve says above.

tb


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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:03:17 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Amiga-A-Go-Go, Vols. 1 & 2

Two new compilations out on BMG Ariola, compiled by Stefan Kassel (who
is also responsible for the usual cool artwork) and Frank Jastfelder. 'A
collection of Beat and Pop nuggets from the archives of East-Germany's
former Amiga-Label - now owned by Bertelsmann. Recorded between 1964 and
1979 these tracks demonstrate that the British invasion didn't stop at
the wall.' state the liner-notes...

Vol.1: Deutsch-Demokratische Rare Grooves
Vol.2: Deutsch-Demokratischer Beat

The band names alone: Modern Soul Band, Dresden Sextett, die Sputnicks,
Team 4, Rote Gitarren (Red Guitars), Baltic Quintett etc. These
compilations include amazing material by bands from the former GDR as
well as a few tracks from other socialist brother countries such as
Poland. Musically ranging from Schlager, Beat, Surf, vocal Easy
Listening to Soul, Funk and Disco many of these rare tracks even outdo
most of the music made in the western part of Germany at that time, at
least from today's point of view. Is this because all bands in the GDR
had to pass a musical education and exam before they were allowed to
play and record? Among my favorite tracks are the German versions of
such killer-evergreens as "Wully Bully" ("Volle Pulle") by the Theo
Schumann Combo, "An einem Tag im September" ("She's Not There") by the
Dresden Sextett and "Es steht ein Haus in New Orleans" by Orchester
G=FCnther Gollasch... (British invasion? These are all American songs)

According to Stefan Kassel, he and Frank Jastfelder did an exhausting
lot of research in the Amiga archives and really told the few top tracks
from 95% crap, almost never agreeing with the old Amiga managers on what
to choose. So the impression you get from these selections does not give
a typical picture of the musical standards of the Prussian-socialist
culture, but nevertheless are great compilations. I must say, I was
surprised even after knowing the "Amigamore" compilation.

- -Mo



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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:52:25 -0500
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ventures was Enoch/Moog/etc

My $.02 on the Ventures.  My favorite albums, in order from most:

1.  A Go-Go
2.  In Space
3.  Xmas Album
4.  Telstar, The Lonley Bull
5.  Surfing
6.  Underground Fire
7.  Flights of Fantasy
8.  Tenth Anniversary

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"Everything that can be invented, has been invented."
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:04:07 -0500
From: George Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Odds Against Stan Kenton

        >Phil Ford wrote:
        >
        >I think a lot of that stuff was released on a CD called
"Birth of the Third
        >Stream," which combined a couple of LPs worth of stuff.
(Milton Babbitt's
        >oddball serialist piece "All Set" was omitted, though.)
There's a beautiful
        >three-movement piece on there by John Lewis called "Three
Little Feelings,"
        >which features Miles Davis as soloist. As you say, some of
this stuff sounds
        >sort of sound-tracky. Actually, the score for "Odds Against
Tomorrow" sounded
        >more modernistic than most of the crime jazz stuff I've
heard -- does anybody
        >else know of other films from the 1950s that have a
comparably biting
        >modernist crimejazz style?
        >
        >Phil

    That's the one! I have another Lewis score at home, I believe it's
called "The Milanese Affair." Very good, tho a bit more "jazz" than Odds
(this is not a bad thing).
Among the other non-soundtrack period releases I enjoy are the Stan Kenton
"Innovations orchestra" discs from the early 50's. Seems to have been panned
somewhat roundly at the time for overreaching & lack of subtletly (esp
compared to Lewis, Schuller et al), but I enjoy a great deal for those very
reasons & the whole Stravinsky-with-a-big-beat concept, while at times
funny, remains compelling. The tie-in (or "criminal element") would be Pete
Rugulo, who was responsible for several of the arrangements. I believe there
are a couple re-issues available; "Innovations Orchestra" (2 discs) and
another compilation of the Bob Graettinger (feel free to correct my
spelling) pieces which appeared on a series of moody-looking & highly
adorable 10-inches records.
    A friend of mine, recording with John Fahey a couple years ago, told
me that Fahey cited this stuff & it's at times crashing, violent qualities
as an eye-opener & influence on his own sense of chromaticism & dissonance.
Apparently, his mom used to play it around the house.
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:45:38 +0800
From: "william" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) betty page

hi all,

   i spied these at a local cd shop here. any ideas what these are? i'm sure
some of these may of been discussed here previously and i just didn't know
what they were at the time. i'm not sure if they are worth picking up but
they look interesting.

   music for gracious living

   electronic toys(this has a naked woman on the cover).

   betty page - jungle girl
                       danger girl(burlesque)

   kazuko hohki - chante brigitte bardot


   i'm real curious about the betty page discs. any idea of what that music
sounds like? i don't remember who put these out but they look like the same
label that put out those russ meyer soundtracks(from germany i think).

                william in taipei.






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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:11:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Amiga-A-Go-Go, Vols. 1 & 2

In a message dated 12/22/0 9:02:36 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Two new compilations out on BMG Ariola, compiled by Stefan Kassel (who
>is also responsible for the usual cool artwork) and Frank Jastfelder. 'A
>collection of Beat and Pop nuggets from the archives of East-Germany's
>former Amiga-Label - now owned by Bertelsmann. Recorded between 1964 and
>1979 these tracks demonstrate that the British invasion didn't stop at
>the wall.' state the liner-notes...

a couple of new compilations came into our station last month called "They
Did 'Em In German", mainly garage/brit/pop 6T's tunes played and sung by
German bands of the era...I'll try to give them a listen tonight...JB


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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:22:52 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour

This week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast is the annual holiday
show, featuring cool tunes for the Yule by Esquivel, The Three
Suns, Frank Sinatra, Jaymz Bee and the Royal Jelly Orchestra,
Les Baxter, the Randy van Horne Singers, June Christy, Duke
Ellington, Eddie Dunstedter and more.

Among the highlights:  Marco Rizo's South-of-the-Border spin on
"Sleigh Ride"; Vox Bop mixes up "We Three Kings" with the
"Mission Impossible" theme; Art Carney's goofy "Santa Claus and
the Doodle-Li-Boop"; Xavier Cugat and Les Brown meet The
Nutcracker; rare tracks from "The Merriest of Christmas Pops";
Christmas songs done bossa nova and cha-cha-cha; and, of
course, Nat King Cole does "The Christmas Song".

Roast up some chestnuts and visit:

http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html

When you stop by the website, enter our weekly CD giveaway.
This week, you can win a free copy of the Christmas show!

Happy holidays to all, and thanks for the space.
Darrell Brogdon
Program Director
KANU FM 91.5
Broadcasting Hall
The University of Kansas
Lawrence KS 66045
Listen to KANU on the Web at http://kanu.ukans.edu


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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:41:56 -0800
From: "Larson/Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) betty page

>    betty page - jungle girl
>                        danger girl(burlesque)
>

I enjoy both of these.  They contain instrumental tunes, many of which are
slightly jazzy with either a crime or latin feel.

Jerry Larson



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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:09:13 -0500
From: "Telstar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) betty page

William asked:

>    music for gracious living

This a sampler from QDK Media (and I believe there is a second volume)
label. It covers quite a bit of ground including selections from some of
their soundtracks, the Betty Page cds, some psychedelia and so forth.

>    electronic toys(this has a naked woman on the cover).

There are two volumes of this with the first being production library moog
tracks from David Vorhaus, Ron Geesin and a few more unfamiliar names. The
second volume features selections that were commercially released from Mort
Garson,Walter Sear, Bruce Haack. etc.

>    betty page - jungle girl
>                        danger girl(burlesque)

Good but not earth-shattering. Library music with a few gems.

Hope this helps,

Allan




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Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:38:55 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Amiga-A-Go-Go, Vols. 1 & 2

I believe the ones you're talking about are "They Sing It In German" -
there are three volumes, all of which are interesting (for want of a
better word) - there are a few real gems on them, and mostly it's just
fun to listen to all these well-known artists attempting to sing
versions of their hits in German.  (Johnny Cash is the best...)

But the Amiga comps are quite different - more jazz influenced, not
really top 30 pop hits at all.  I haven't heard the "Amiga A Go-Go" CDs
yet, but have heard some other pieces, all of which were good.
Coincidentally, last week's Space Bop consisted of two Amiga
compilations - however, due to "minor technical problems" (my computer
was totally %#$$*%, thanks to Intel and their stupid PC camera) we
couldn't post a playlist.

Dusty Groove will be getting the Amiga comps in on CD after the holidays
- - they had volume one on vinyl a few weeks ago, but it's sold out now.
They also stock the Amiga compilation put together by Jazzanova
("Formation 60"). (No, I don't work for them - I just spend all my money
there...)

cheryl




[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/22/0 9:02:36 AM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Two new compilations out on BMG Ariola, compiled by Stefan Kassel (who
> >is also responsible for the usual cool artwork) and Frank Jastfelder. 'A
> >collection of Beat and Pop nuggets from the archives of East-Germany's
> >former Amiga-Label - now owned by Bertelsmann. Recorded between 1964 and
> >1979 these tracks demonstrate that the British invasion didn't stop at
> >the wall.' state the liner-notes...
>
> a couple of new compilations came into our station last month called "They
> Did 'Em In German", mainly garage/brit/pop 6T's tunes played and sung by
> German bands of the era...I'll try to give them a listen tonight...JB
>


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