> The present case is a completely inefficient design that takes up
> as much practical storage space on my wall as an LP. Sometime soon >I'm inevitably going to have to buy little PVC envelopes and junk >the jewel cases, which will at least triple my storage volume, >though it won't look very pretty and will be hard to see where >things are from the spines.
>
I use those baggies a lot. I have the "flap down" type. The only problem is that sometimes the glue that holds the flap gets on the CD.
And they wear out pretty quick if you use the same CD over and over.
With this system I can pack a whole suitcase of CD's to take to the studio. Enough music to last a nuclear winter.
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:21:18 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Califone
>>My sensibilities have gotten warped enough that I think I would really
>>enjoy listening to records on one of these, but my concern is whether it
>>would put significantly more wear on a record -- compared to a modern
>>magnetic cartridge turntable. I'd imagine the tracking force would be
>>higher. Opinions or hard observations anyone?
>
>It would definitely wear out a vinyl record faster, but if you
>already have a good turntable, why would you want to use the
>Califone for those?
Err, illogical fun factor, I suppose.
Similar to how "Mars Needs Women" is most fun when viewed on a snowy UHF
channel.
But I wouldn't have as much fun if I was worrying that I was ruining the
records.
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:53:08 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <risser@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD Logistics
> >The "logical" mode for CD's would be for everyone to have those 200 CD
> >changers which are becoming more and more common and more and more cheap.
>
> I have one of those... The trick is figuring out which of my 3000
> CDs to put in it! Maybe I should buy 15 CD changers!
EXACTLY. My dad has one with maybe 30 CDs in it. And he never uses it.
Right now I'm experimenting with MP3s. I've ripped my whole Xmas library to
MP3 and use the computer as a constant Christmas jukebox. It works great.
In fact, it's always on, so when I want a little bit of Christmas, I just
click the receiver over to "Aux" and out comes pretty music.
I can see spending some cash for a huge hard drive and downloading ALL my
music there... At the quality I use, I figure about 75 gigs would hold all
my current holdings (over 1000 CDs). But then i have MP3s, LPs and tapes...
Sigh.
There's just not a hard drive big enough.
Peter
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:21:18 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Califone
>>My sensibilities have gotten warped enough that I think I would really
>>enjoy listening to records on one of these, but my concern is whether it
>>would put significantly more wear on a record -- compared to a modern
>>magnetic cartridge turntable. I'd imagine the tracking force would be
>>higher. Opinions or hard observations anyone?
>
>It would definitely wear out a vinyl record faster, but if you
>already have a good turntable, why would you want to use the
>Califone for those?
Err, illogical fun factor, I suppose.
Similar to how "Mars Needs Women" is most fun when viewed on a snowy UHF
channel.
But I wouldn't have as much fun if I was worrying that I was ruining the
records.
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:34:50 GMT
From: nytab@pipeline.com (Lou Smith)
Subject: (exotica) Ruth Wallis "Boobs" is now an off-Broadway play!!
In rec.music.dementia, boardwalk7@aol.com (Boardwalk7) wrote:
>That's right, Ruth Wallis, of "Davy's Dinghy" fame, has now realized her
>lifelong dream - her songs are part of a broadway revue.
>
>"Boobs: The Music of Ruth Wallis" is in workshop mode at the Pulse Theatre in
>New York City, and an off-Broadway site is envisioned for next year. Six
>actors and actresses will perform Wallis' best numbers. For more information,
>visit theatre.com and type in the keyword "Ruth Wallis." (Typing in "Boobs"
>won't work, for some reason they spelled it "B(.)(.)BS").
>
>Chuck
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:23:03 -0500
From: Brian Karasick <Brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs LP
Alan wrote:
> > Somebody on this list used the term "neophilia" to describe the phenomenon
> > - or the disease - of always needing to hear something new.
You mean like after two or three visits to record stores and just not
finding anything and
and realizing you won't feel any relief until you actually do get
something? I know that feeling quite well but having had next to no time
to set foot in a store these past months I may be (only temporarily I fear)
cured...
Moritz wrote:
>No, it's not that... it's really like I said it is: after 45 times or less I
>just can't listen to something anymore. It's over, it's painful, it's of
>no more
>interest.... but what do you think of people in the 19th century in
>pre-recording days? They have heard much of the music that they knew just
>once in their lives! How precious these experiences must have been to them!
I think this can be better understood with an analogy. Rather than music
think about travelling and how the first visit to an exotic place is
mysterious and exciting but after time passes and/or more visits, you
become accustomed to the workings of the place and gradually the excitement
and exoticness wear off. On one hand it becomes a relief to realize you
are becoming more comfortable with your surroundings but on the other hand
the experience is never the same. Same goes for music and I think this is
what Moritz is saying. Not that you cannot listen to the same thing many
times but the effect just is never the same as the initial listening from a
recording that really grabs you just the right way. As to always needing
more of the same, it all that far off from any other form of
addiction, probably not...
Brian
(outed addict!)
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:00:32 -0500
From: Brian Karasick <Brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. LP
Dave wrote:
>That said, we're not kidding about good "noise". I like vinyl because
>it has a warmer, more organic sound than digital. Analog is what the
>audio environment is made of. CDs have to mimic that, then convert
>back to it. They do a good job, but have biases of their own.
I really should recommend to anyone to listen to a CD on a decent player
before falling into this trap and then make that judgement. And while
you're at it put on a 24 bit mastered CD or HDCD just to add to the
experience. (Cleve, you have to visit here and I'll give you a demonstration!)
If you're someone who has a good turntable and doesn't hesitate to spend a
few hundred $ on a decent cartridge, then the price tag of a decent CD
changer isn't that bad, especially as the life of the laser is considerably
longer than any diamond stylus! What I find most disturbing when I play
records now is how much I notice the rumble coming from the record not
being flat, or the low power hum coming out of the system as it is
amplified with my low output but very detailed MC cartridge. These are
sounds I didn't notice anywhere near as much in pre-CD days...
Still I've learned to live with both vinyl and CD and its been some time
since I bought CDs with any reluctance. I do understand people in the pro
DJ business not liking the CD but the technology to "scratch" a CD is here
today though I haven't tested the system out myself. There are people that
won't play records as they don't want to wear them out and these people
should find solace in the CD (especially the CD-R). Still, its a fact LPs
are fragile! Let alone basic handling, there is the belief that tracking
too light can be as damaging as tracking too heavy. Also there is the
belief that playing a record over many times in a row heats up the vinyl
and can ruin it. Then there is the argument that there are different
qualities of vinyl itself, the older heavy stuff being better than the
newer lighter stuff (not proven in my opinion) and the belief
that European LP pressings are better sounding than North American
pressings. This last point is something I always attributed to vinyl
quality but later learned had more to do with the number of records pressed
from a single master than the actual quality of the base material.
There is no shortage of opinion on this subject but I'm still of the mind I
don't need a DVD player since I watch films for content, not effects and
picture quality, and I don't generally "collect" movies. But give me a
year or so and you can be sure I'll be talking about the wonders of DVD
just like I now am about CDs!
Brian
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:35:09 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <kevin@kevdo.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) cd's vs. LP's
Domenic Ciccone wrote:
> And they wear out pretty quick if you use the same CD over and over.
Obviously not a problem for Mo... ;-)
I won't **buy** a CD unless I **expect** to play it at least 100
times... I have dozens of CDs which I "cycle" through ever year or so.
I might get into a group I haven't listened to for a while and play and
play all the albums until I move on (I've been in a Pink Floyd/David
> > And they wear out pretty quick if you use the same CD over and
> over.
Humm, I wonder now what I was talking about?
Someone here was asking me what kind of record player I have. A "Miracord custom made for Realistic", Ya Radio Shack. A loaner from one of our Exotica friends here who has been lurking for months now. And using the standard Rat Shack $20 needle.
Sorry, but for me records can be frustrating. Even before CD's came out I was dissatisfied with LPÆs because I could always hear the background noise of the medium. And records are just a way to get the music.
And with talk about needles, stylist, balancing itÆs all to much work and expensive. All I want to do is put the thing on and hit a button. CDs are great for that.
I'm a good old fashioned lazy American Consumer!
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Subject: (exotica) Brazilian segment of Almost Acoustic on WJUL
Hi everyone,
I was at the WICN record sale late this summer. Kristen was picking up some great looking LPÆs. So I struck up a conversation and found out she writes about Brazillian music.
You can meet the coolest people at record sales.
Hope you can tune in. It will be a learning experience for me and maybe for you too.
_________________
Brazilian segment of ôAlmost Acousticö on WJUL 91.5FM Saturday Dec 16, 2000 12-3PM
Please join me, your substitute host Domenic Ciccone. Saturday Afternoon from 12Noon to 3PM as I welcome Kirsten Weinoldt to the ôAlmost Acousticö program on WJUL 91.5 FM broadcasting from UMASS Lowell.
Kirsten Weinoldt, born in Denmark, came to the US in 1969. Kirsten fell in love with Brazil as a teenager after seeing the movie Black Orpheus (Orfeu Negro). Writes about Brazilian music for the magazines Bossa and Brazzil (www.brazzil.com). Has written cover stories about 40 years of Bossa Nova, 1968 and Tropicalismo, Chico Buarque, Noel Rosa, and a variety of other articles about singers and Afro-Brazilian carnival groups. Works with Marlon Catao on concerts by Caetano Veloso, Gilberto Gil, Milton Nascimento, and others. Kirsten travels to Brazil twice a year interviewing musicians and attending concerts.
Domenic Ciccone
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:36:59 -0500
From: Alan Zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: (exotica) Url's galore
I'm going crazy.
In hopes of figuring out why suddenly my computer crashes when you breathe
on it too hard, we deleted everything and started over.
And in the heat of the moment I forgot to back up my bookmarks.
So I have none.
Any urls involving records, vinyl, exotica, lounge, music, musicians,
record labels.
I'll ask other people for the porn.
Thanks,
AZ
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:58:44 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <quiet@village.uunet.be>
Subject: (exotica) Re: rated their records by looking at them
alan zweig wrote:
>Last week records arrived from two different guys who rated their records
>by looking at them. ONLY by looking at them.
but that is the way ALL pro vinyl dealers do it!!
it doesn't make sense. they always say they don't
have enough time to actually listen to the record,
to give it a reliable grading, and i can understand their
point, but still...
Johan
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:11:05 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <quiet@village.uunet.be>
Subject: (exotica) Re: More on CD vs. vinyl
Ross wrote:
>.................................But after that, I really
>became convinced that the absence of surface noise on a CD is
>something that people too often take for granted. It really does make
>a difference.
i agree totally. the same happened to me: once i started
cleaning up vinyl on my mac, i became much more aware of flaws in
vinyl, even on records that sounded perfectly acceptable before. you
sort of learn to listen differently. i'll ALWAYS prefer a CD over an
LP: no pops, clicks, background/ surface noise, rumble, hum... but
it's clearly a very personal thing.
Johan
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:15 -0600
From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: (exotica) CD vs LP
I suppose time is right to post my latest recipe for vinyl cleaner:
two parts distilled water
one part denatured alcohol
Yes, denatured alcohol means shellac thinner or alcohol stove fuel. I store
my cleaner in an old saline solution bottle. Shake vigorously and squirt
yer vinyl. Wipe with a low-lint cloth. This stuff definitely clears out
mildew, if that troubles you.
And yeah, I also wipe my records before play with that velvet thingy
Stephen talked about. Became a convert to the Discwasher "Stylus Care
System" too. (Why don't they just call it Needle Cleaner? That's like
describing a student desk as a Homework Center.)
BTW, I fall in with those people who prefer vinyl over CDs. In some cases,
I think modern vinyl releases are superior--like ComEd's Impossible World.
Anyone care to comment on Stereo Lab CDs vs LPs?
Mini Mims who longs for a Nitty Gritty
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:51:41 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <bcleve@pop.tiac.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. LP
At 1:00 AM -0500 12/14/00, Brian Karasick wrote:
>I really should recommend to anyone to listen to a CD on a decent player
>before falling into this trap and then make that judgement. And while
>you're at it put on a 24 bit mastered CD or HDCD just to add to the
>experience. (Cleve, you have to visit here and I'll give you a demonstration!)
It's true about decent players, and about 24 bit mastering - infact, as
Steve has pointed out, it's all about the mastering. CD's of contemporary
material sound fine, as most are at least partially recorded in the digital
realm, and almost every CD is mixed and/or mastered digitally. It's the
transfer of older material, like Steve was saying about 78's which was all
so true. The fact is that older records sound better than their digital
counterparts. I've had people completely blown away by the difference in
sound on, say, an RCA Living Stereo Esquivel pressing and a BMG CD reissue
of the same material. The additional digital compression that's used in
todays mastering sucks all the life out of these old recordings, which were
mastered using tube compression. Tubes heat up, which is what essentially
all the talk about the "warmth" of analog sound comes from. When you burn
your own CD from a vinyl album or 78, you're probably not adding that
compression. Mastering engineers in the U.S. overuse it all the time, and
they use it out of habit rather than actually listening to what it's doing.
It's still true in vinyl pressings today - the vast majority of 12" dance
records that are mastered and pressed in the U.S. have a terrible
compressed sound quality to them, while European and Japanese pressings are
full of "air" and warmth.
>I do understand people in the pro
>DJ business not liking the CD but the technology to "scratch" a CD is here
>today though I haven't tested the system out myself.
Pioneer makes a digital DJ mixer that simulates the sound of scratching a
record by flipping the crossfader back and forth. I've played around with
it and it's pretty cool, but I'm not a hip hop DJ or a turntablist so I'd
never use it. The reason that DJ's hate to use CD's is that it's a complete
pain in the ass if you're trying to beat match. Vinyl is much more pliable
and easy to manipulate. I have pro CD players with pitch control etc and
have practiced and practiced beat matching on them, and they suck.
Absolutely no substitute for vinyl. They never really start at the same
spot each time - which is weird, because you'd think its just all 1's and
2's and it should, but they don't. And I've used about a half dozen brands
of pro CD players. You can use the pitch wheel to play catch up or slow
down with the beat, but it's not the same as manipulating vinyl with your
hands or tweaking the spindle or any of the other tricks DJ's have learned
to blend one record into the other.
Of course, as JimmyBee would point out, there's plenty of CD megamixes out
there, so you can play mixes and nobody knows. And all of this applies
really only to dance music and not to spinning exotica, but I just felt
like ranting a bit today as I've been DJ'ing holiday parties every night
for the last week (with another week to go), using both CD's and/or
rekkids, depending on the party. I like rekkids, but CD's are easier to
carry around (and get stolen, as happened to me last week)
br cleve
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:04:19 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. LP
In a message dated 12/14/0 3:32:36 PM, bcleve@pop.tiac.net wrote:
>Of course, as JimmyBee would point out, there's plenty of CD megamixes out
>there, so you can play mixes and nobody knows. And all of this applies
>really only to dance music and not to spinning exotica, but I just felt
>like ranting a bit today as I've been DJ'ing holiday parties every night
>for the last week (with another week to go)...........
............and you didn't even mention your DJ trip to Moscow with Thee
Millionaire (where you guys have been reported by sources as having secured
MTV superstar status and BEYOND!) And its true. There are plenty of
megamixes, legit AND good in spades. And nobody knows when they're shaking
their groove things on the floor. But if you wanna mix and match exotica with
contemporary house, compost, bungalow and all the rest of the great stuff
emerging today you have to learn to match beats. These pro CD mixers will
give you BPM's (on CD's only, admittedly) simply by tapping your finger on a
labeled button. If your tune starts with a beat, and not lushness and
orchestration, you can segue tunes with a certain level of finesse and keep
the groove in a reasonable tempo with CD's. Of course if you wanna give them
a pure mix, missing not a beat, vinyl's your friend...JB
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:12 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: (exotica) book of tiki - another review
"The Book of Tiki" (Sven Kirsten, Taschen) has strong Aku-Aku
Many Luxuria Music regulars will require no introduction to the
dizzyingly inauthentic, American-born polyglot fusion of Oceanic styles
that has come to be known simply as "Tiki": the graven images of
scowling Polynesian deities adorn many an album cover and aloha shirt.
Still, for the tyro and the aficionado alike, this book is an essential
and long overdue addition to the canon of pop-cultural anthropology.
Sven Kirsten's exhaustively researched coffee table reference work is
almost dauntingly dense: an overabundance of imagery and ephemera that
mirrors the post-war bounty that gave birth to the Cult of Tiki, the
western world's flirtation with idolatry in suburban style. One might be
forgiven for not registering, on first reading, the erudite trilingual
essays on every aspect of Tiki, so visually overwhelming is this book.
Taschen press has done a beautiful museum-quality job of reproducing the
colorful drink menus, match books and print advertisements that lured
patrons to Tiki-themed restaurants, the manifold incarnations of Tiki in
mug form that tantalize present day collectors, and photographs of the
Tiki architecture that, for a brief moment, sprung up in every climate
and society.
"The Book of Tiki" is much more than a high-end picture book, however.
It preserves information as endangered as the culture it commemorates:
drink recipes provided by Jeff "Beachbum" Berry (author of "Beachbum
Berry's Grog Log"), some of which may be seeing print form for the
first time ever; tales and biographical info on the colorful figures
who created Tiki culture; and an insightful take on the origins (and
future?) of this strange bastard child of the global village. Possibly
the most difficult aspect of reviewing this comprehensive study of
Polynesian pop is that it stands alone, unassailable. It's difficult to
apply any critical distance to a work like this, and it's not that
nothing else approaches its thoroughness or insight: the fact is that
there is simply nothing else of the sort available. Whatsoever.
Anywhere.
Kirsten has literally "written the book" on a phase of pop culture that
once encompassed architecture, interior design, clothing, music, food,
entertainment and much more, yet passed from a ubiquitous vogue to decay
and disregard without ever having enjoyed critical respect or even any
substantial recognition.
- -Mo
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:27:13 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: (exotica) A Very Schmalzwald Christmas
Ein neuer FEIERTAG!
A VERY SCHMALZWALD CHRISTMAS
im Roter Salon
Volksbuehne am Rosa Luxemburg Platz
Mittwoch 20 Dezember 2000
22.00 Uhr - doors open 21.30 - live show begins 22.15!!
Fuzzy Love, Rajah Yogi, Record Player, and special guest Sir Spinner of
Fine Vinyl (Toronto).
The Schmalzwald Family have just returned from their Hong Kong tour to
celebrate Christmas with their friends in Berlin. This is their first
Berlin performance since September. They will bring gifts and good cheer
from the Far East where they improved their Karaoke techniques through
intensive, late-night research.
Die Schmalzwald Familie ist gerade wieder zurueck von ihrer Hong Kong Tour,
um Weihnachten mit ihren Freunden in Berlin zu feiern. Das Konzert ist ihr
erstes in Berlin seit September . Sie bringen viele Geschenke und eine
festliche Stimmung aus dem Fernosten mit und haben ihre Karaoketechnik
perfektioniert durch intensive Nachtforschung in der sehr verbreiteten
Szene dort.
Gruesse
El Gordo, Miss Understood, JJ und Herr Doppel-U
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:00:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <sophisticatedsavage@yahoo.com>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Fwd: FW: New Release by Serge Gainsbourg
Happy holidays,
This may known to you lot by now, but nevertheless (I
have been comatose: any recent mention of the passing
into that good night of Hoyt Curtin who composed the
