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exotica-digest       Monday, September 18 2000       Volume 02 : Number 800



In This Digest:

(exotica) The word on the Esquivel biopic?
Re: (exotica) searching the Exotica Mailing List Archive
Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records
(exotica) Burt's Apple Crumble, Blow Up and gangsters
Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records
Re: (exotica) Pauza Record Label
Re: (exotica) Pausa Record Label
Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records
(exotica) Bossa Nova Movie
Re: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie
Re: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie
Re: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie
Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records
(exotica) Prado "Latino" on Camden
(exotica) Re: dischoteque
(exotica) Re: Exoti-Beatles
(exotica) Slightly OT: Recording Industry Subversion
(exotica) check out the real OPEN POP STAR, Luther Blissett.
RE: (exotica) Exoti-Beatles on Live365.com
Re: (exotica) Pierre Henry Live
(exotica) That taboo subject again...
(exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question
Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question
Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question
(exotica) Rawck in CT
Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records
Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question
Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question
Re: (exotica) Re: Exoti-Beatles
RE: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

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Date: 17 Sep 2000 15:54:01 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) The word on the Esquivel biopic?

Hello.  Anyone know whether the Esquivel biopic is a go or no go? Has filming
started, the screenplay finished, casting complete?  What's the score?
When's the release date?

On another topic, I hear from Scott Smith, Ferrante and Teicher's lead guy,
that this release of an old soundtrack they did (never released before) is
waiting on new enhancements from the duo.  Apparently the music doesn't
stand well on its own (no real endings...just cues and that sort of thing),
so F&T are adding new prepared piano performances to make it whole.  Don't
know how this will work, but we probably won't see this until early 2001
now.  I am definitely looking foward to this!

Byron



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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:59:35 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) searching the Exotica Mailing List Archive

>searching the Exotica Mailing List Archive isn't possible, and it
>won't be easy to make it happen i think.

Indeed. One clumsy alternative, which doesn't help us at all on a mass
basis: Fortunately, they are all plain text files. So if you had the disc
space (bigger and cheaper by the minute these days, it seems), you could
take a sledgehammer approach and simply download the whole archive to your
computer, then use text-search utilities to find topics.

But can you imagine how many returns you would get on, say, "Denny"?


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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:27:15 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records

At 03:27 PM 9/16/00 -0400, Br. Cleve wrote:

>>So the owner cut to the heart of the matter and replied "Look.  There's
>>nothing great here".
>>Just as I came to a copy of Les Baxter's "Tamboo".
>
>I gotta know....... what did this guy say when you brought all these
>records up to the counter??

Usually he says nothing, just looks at me like you'd look at a mentally
challenged person you pity, but on this occasion he pointed out the Jackie
Gleason "Ooooh" record on the top of the pile and smiled.
(I don't know what it is about that record but this was the first playable
copy I've found of that, after five or six previous tries.)
I wasn't sure what his smile meant but it looked less judgemental than it
usually does.  Then again, it could have just been that this was one of
those British pressings (you know, with the more pliable, shinier record
jacket) and this guy is such a British chauvinist that maybe it made him
appreciate the record more than usual.
I know it's hard to work in a used record store and not be a little
judgmental about people's purchases.  I used to heap scorn upon the kids
who came in looking for that Bob James record that whoever the hell
(DeLaSoul??) sampled.  They wanted Bob James 1 but they had no interest in
2, 3, 4 or anything else I might point out to them.
But this guy is just judgemental period.
End of rant.
(Abba to Zappa, my ass. More like Abba and Zappa and not much in between.)





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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:38:01 GMT
From: "Helen Barrell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Burt's Apple Crumble, Blow Up and gangsters

Giovanni said:
>   1. Quik: Bert's Apple Crumble (also on Decca's "The Mod Scene"
>       and Kent's "Rhythm'n'Blue Eyed Soul")
And also on the marvellous 'Blow Up A-Go-Go' album - there's loads of ace
60's stuff on there - Georgie Fame 'Somebody Stole My Thunder', Jacques
Dutronc 'Responsable', 'The Beat Goes On' - and more! Shame that the club
itself doesn't play much of that music - i went to Blow Up the other week
and they played - Blondie.......
And you can also find 'Bert's Apple Crumble' on the soundtrack of 60's Brit
gangster film 'Gangster #1' - it's playing in the background when they're
chasing around a block of flats. Very effective!

By the way, this album sounds great! i'll have to have a look for it - does
it come recommended?

And i'm trying to build a website for my fanzine, at:
dansette.moonfruit.co.uk
So far there's just a pic of Peggy Moffitt. Ah, what the hell...!
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:51:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records

In a message dated Sat, 16 Sep 2000  3:50:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]> writes:

<<
At 7:43 PM -0400 9/14/00, alan  zweig wrote:

I gotta know....... what did this guy say when you brought all these
records up to the counter??

I used to work in a used record store where you'd be greeted with "What are
you buying this crap for?" when you come up with ez/exotica

br cleve

Cleve is referring to S. J's in Cambridge where they smile in your face, all the while they wanna put you in your place.......If it ain't vintage jazz there its just plain shit. And I LIKE them! JB/seen the best minds of Rekkid Collectorship raked over the coals, reamed, steamed and dry-cleaned..Glued, screwed, blewed and tattoed

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:04:48 -0500
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Pauza Record Label

> Anyone here know about the "Pauza" record label?
> Who owns the music on this label these days?

Back in my jazz announcer days, I remember that Pausa was a
GREAT jazz label!  George Shearing, Laurindo Almeida, Art van
Damme, the Singers Unlimited, Oscar Peterson and many other
greats had records on Pausa in the late '70s/early 80s.  They also
released a lot of material from Germany's MPS label in this country
(some of the stuff on the "Snowflakes" comp probably came out on
Pausa in the USA).  Pausa was one of my favorite labels from the
early '80s.

Haven't seen any new Pausa releases in more than 15 years, so I
guess they're gone.  For some reason, I've got it in my head that
Verve owns their catalog now.



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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:28:50 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Pausa Record Label

>Anyone here know about the "Pauza" record label?

I did!  It was the last label that Jazz label great Norman Granz
ran.  There was a wonderful Art Tatum release on the label (well after
Tatum's passing, of course) and also, there was a flutist by the name of
Sherry Winston that recorded "Do It For Love" for them.  This album was
very hard to get from the distributors, as I recall.  When I worked at
Tower, this album was getting a airplay and our inability to stock the
album frustrated a lot of potential buyers.  It was a "fusion" affair, if I
am not mistaken.

>Who owns the music on this label these days? I would not be surprised if
>someone here on the list knows this!

Well, I didn't know this, but I found out from a web page that the rights
seem to be held by Verve Forecast, which is fitting, seeing that Norman
Granz founded Verve.

I don't know whether the other artists on the label make it the Pausa that
refreshes,
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:27:53 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records

>I know it's hard to work in a used record store and not be a little
>judgmental about people's purchases.


When I worked at Tower, life wasn't much better.  If Barbara Streisand so
much as belched, the fans would start calling the store within seconds ("Is
Color Me Belch" in yet?  Well, when are you getting it!?).

There is a store here in Atlanta that I used to dislike, because the people
were rude and the used records overpriced.  A garage/Beat comp, Pebbles 20,
was being sold for 15.00 and I could have bought it new for five
dollars!  They have switched out the rude folks and when I bought several
records and a 78 (which I will have on my site soon) by a potential cousin
of Dick Hyman, with the name of Dick Beavers.  When they saw the 78, they
said, "You're buying this for the same reason we bought it, huh?"  I
replied, "Yes" and they said, "Go ahead and take it!'

THE worst place I have ever been in was the Record Collector in Los
Angeles.  I asked for a specific Classical record, which he had for twenty
dollars.  I didn't want to pay that much and within seconds, one of the
workers came right up to me and said, "You won't spend twenty
dollars!?  That's like a burger, fries and a soda!"  Needless to say, I
warn anyone I know away from that place.

I was in another store and was having a nice conversation with one of the
fellows and I mentioned that I was in another store where they practically
demanded that I buy a record from them, one of the guys, said, "Record
Collector?  That guy's a jerk!"  I had not told him the name of the store
before he said that!

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:40:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie

Looking for some Pauza info at the Verve web page and found a page with "ecards"

The Bossa Nova ecard is about the new movie called "Bossa Nova". Looks like fun. Amy Irving is in it. The last thing I remember reading about her is that she was starting a new life in Brazil. Nice to see her back in the movies and in something Brazil repated.

http://www.verveinteractive.com/ecards/

Lots of classics on the soundtrack with some new material.

Domenic




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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:50:28 EDT
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie

In a message dated Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:39:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]> writes:

<<
The Bossa Nova ecard is about the new movie called "Bossa Nova". Looks like fun. Amy Irving is in it. The last thing I remember reading about her is that she was starting a new life in Brazil. Nice to see her back in the movies and in something Brazil repated.

http://www.verveinteractive.com/ecards/

Lots of classics on the soundtrack with some new material.

Domenic

For another excellent bossa nova soundtracked movie, catch the quirky and quite enjoyable "Next Stop, Wonderland"




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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:50:32 EDT
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie

In a message dated Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:39:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]> writes:

<<
The Bossa Nova ecard is about the new movie called "Bossa Nova". Looks like fun. Amy Irving is in it. The last thing I remember reading about her is that she was starting a new life in Brazil. Nice to see her back in the movies and in something Brazil repated.

http://www.verveinteractive.com/ecards/

Lots of classics on the soundtrack with some new material.

Domenic

For another excellent bossa nova soundtracked movie, catch the quirky and quite enjoyable "Next Stop, Wonderland"




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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:52:12 EDT
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Bossa Nova Movie

In a message dated Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:39:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]> writes:


The Bossa Nova ecard is about the new movie called "Bossa Nova". Looks like fun. Amy Irving is in it. The last thing I remember reading about her is that she was starting a new life in Brazil. Nice to see her back in the movies and in something Brazil repated.

http://www.verveinteractive.com/ecards/

Lots of classics on the soundtrack with some new material.

Domenic

For another bossa nove soundtracked film, catch "Next Stop Wonderland", a great little sleeper filmed in Boston




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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:28:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Cleve is referring to S. J's in Cambridge where they smile in
> your face, all the while they wanna put you in your
> place.......If it ain't vintage jazz there its just plain shit.
> And I LIKE them! JB/seen the best minds of Rekkid Collectorship
> raked over the coals, reamed, steamed and dry-cleaned..Glued,
> screwed, blewed and tattoed

 Ahh.....a must see stop for the record collector exotica enthusiast. When I started getting into this stuff I found a used ôWild Cool and SwinginÆ UL comp. I asked the owner about where he puts ôloungeö stuff  (it was new to me) and he said that stuff was hard to categorize and he didnÆt know where to put it.  They put Les Baxter on the speakers for me! I didnÆt buy it ôThe Poor People Of Parisö scared me. I still canÆt get used to it.

Well now there is a used CD exotica slot, but itÆs always empty, sold out I assume. But he does have exotica/lounge records and they sell for less than the other over inflated used record stores in the area.

One nice thing he did for me. I bought a used Nina Simone Phillips recording that I thought was a concert but was another of her many comps. I brought it back in for a trade a ╜ year later when I was in town again and in conversation told him I was returning it since I had all the material on her other CDÆs. He gave me full credit for it!

The last time I was in there was this January with another list member. I like talking with these folks because you always learn something, maybe it was the cold weather but I wasnÆt getting anywhere this time. On my way out with my purchase I smiled and said ôSee you next year!ö And it was worth it for the perplexed expression on JÆs face. ItÆs September nowàthe way things look I might not get there until next year.

But itÆs the only place in town, besides CD Spins, where you can still get decent CDÆs for under 8 dollars.

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 00 13:02:19 -0400
From: "Michael D. Toth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Prado "Latino" on Camden

Favor request! Could someone who has a copy of the Perez Prado "Latino"
album e-mail me its track listing off-list? Thanks oodles!

Michael David Toth
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:20:43 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: dischoteque

At 20:13 +0000 2000/09/16, Giovanni Berti wrote:

>The tracks I didn't already know and couldn't relate to proper track
>number are the remaining:

>- Big Jim H: Blues For The Keyboard

    on A3-- not Dr. John: One Night Late.
    100% sure, as i have the original Big Jim H LP.

         Johan

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:00:01 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Exoti-Beatles

vol 1 is my favorite. in vols 2 and 3, there are some quite loud and
"alternative" tracks. hardrock doesn't really fit in with novelty, i
think.
read my reviews of them at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1936/critiq/critiq.htm

         Johan

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At 11:16 -0600 2000/09/15, exotica-digest wrote:
>Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:54:21 -0700
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: (exotica)
>
>I know this records were mentioned before, but everything was so
>brief... So I saw these Exotica Beatles compilations in a record
>store and they look fine. Volumes 2 and 3. Is any of those better
>than the other?
>
>What kind of strangeness should I expect?
>
>Cheers,
>Manuel



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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 00 13:11:17 -0400
From: "Michael D. Toth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Slightly OT: Recording Industry Subversion

This was directed to my attention and I thought Exotica listers would
also find this pretty interesting. (The band in question here is Smashing
Pumpkins, BTW)

From http://mb.smashingpumpkins.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019901.html

>Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for MACHINA II/the Friends & Enemies of
>Modern Music
>
>1) What is 'F&EoMM'? 2) What's w/ the duplicate songs? 3) How can I get
>it? 4) What about CD? 5) Why was it released this way? 6) But doesn't this
>exclude a lot of people? 7) But I want liner notes & artwork & a CD I can
>hold! 8) So now what?
>
>1) What is 'F&EoMM'?
>
>"MACHINA II/the Friends & Enemies of Modern Music" is the pumpkins' final
>album, the followup to "MACHINA/the Machines of God". It is a limited
>pressing of only 25 (twenty-five) copies on hand-cut, hand-numbered,
>non-lacquered acetate (aka vinyl, aka records), consisting of 3 10" EPs
>and a double 12" LP, 5 discs & 25 songs total. The 25 copies were given to
>close friends of the band, a few of whom happen to be online, and whom
>were instructed to circulate the new material as quickly as possible,
>since the band plans on playing some of the new material on the European
>tour.
>
>For more detailed info, see:
>http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/discog.html?discog_id=153
>
>2) What's w/ the duplicate songs?
>
>Some of the songs have been unofficially released before (i.e. the F&E
>bootleg), but with the exception of Real Love (same take as the F&E
>bootleg version) and Le Deux Machina (same version as found on the
>acoustic machina demos), these are all completely different versions,
>takes, and/or mixes that haven't been heard before. The songs which appear
>twice are different takes, versions, and/or arrangements.
>
>3) How can I get it?
>
>Since there were only 25 copies on vinyl, unless you were one of the lucky
>25, you can't get the original pressing. But since the band instructed
>some of the recipients to circulate and distribute the material, you will
>be able to get copies of it- consider it an "official bootleg".
>
>Currently, the only source available is mp3. Since none of the 3 known
>online recipients had access to an ultra-high-end audiophile turntable
>(the tube kind that cost thousands), one of them used what they had and
>made mp3s so that the new songs could be distributed immediately.
>
>There are plenty of web/ftp sites and mirrors hosting the new songs, as
>well as people sharing files via napster, AIM, etc. Look around a bit, the
>info has been posted in many places many times.
>
>4) What about CD?
>
>It will take time, but one of the recipients will definitely take their
>vinyl to a studio or a friend with high-end equipment worthy of doing
>another high-quality dump to DAT, which will then be burned to CD and then
>treed & traded from there, to produce the highest possible quality recording.
>
>The band did not provide anyone with an all-digital copy, as they wanted
>the sound of the vinyl to be present on the recordings.
>
>5) Why was it released this way?
>
>Virgin was not interested in releasing a followup to Machina, so rather
>than pack up their gear and go home, they recorded and released it
>themselves.
>
>It will not and cannot be officially released on CD, as their contract
>with Virgin includes a non-compete clause, which prevents them from
>releasing anything Virgin holds rights to under another label for 1 year.
>Since the material was partially recorded while still under the Virgin
>contract, they are legally prohibited from releasing it on another label
>or in any other way.
>
>6) But doesn't this exclude a lot of people?
>
>Perhaps. But rather than think of it as -excluding- people who don't have
>burners, computers, or internet connections, think of it as -including-
>all the fans who do. Since Virgin wouldn't release it, it's either this
>way, or no way at all, and we'd all be out 25 new (and extremely kick-ass)
>songs. So, rather than complain that it's not an official release, be
>happy that we got 25 new songs. After all, it is ultimately all about the
>music.
>
>Once high-quality CDs start circulating, it will spread to people all over
>the world, even to those who don't have internet access or computers. It
>will be played by underground student radio stations, it will be copied
>for those who can't make their own copies. Eventually it will get around
>to everyone, it'll just take time.
>
>7) But I want liner notes & artwork & a CD I can hold!
>
>Well, unforunately, the only way that's possible is if you burn & print
>out your own copy, or have someone else do it for you. You can check out
>the artwork at:
>
>http://www.xero.com/sp/new/
>
>High quality pdf's, suitable for printing out, will also be made available
>later. And, as stated above, a high-quality dump to DAT and CD will be
>made on a high-end turntable soon enough and treed and traded out. That's
>the only way it will be released, so rather than complain about what you
>don't have, simply try to enjoy what you -do- have, which is some of the
>best music the band has put out yet. :)
>
>8) So now what?
>
>If you haven't gotten the music yet, find a way to do so! Download the
>mp3s, or find a friend or a stranger who's willing to make you a CDR or
>cassette, or wait for the higher-quality tree & sign up for it.
>
>If you -have- gotten the music, do everything you can to get it out even
>more. Burn copies for friends, upload it to servers that don't have it,
>even try to get your local or student radio station to play some of it.
>Talk about it, hype it up, & get it noticed. This has the potential to be
>something very big in the music industry...
>
>Do NOT, however, sell this on ebay, or sell copies to people for more than
>the cost of the media and postage (ideally you should do a B&P- see the
>trading faq at http://www.spfc.org/tradingfaq.txt for more info). The band
>spent plenty of money for the studio and vinyl to make this, and since
>they're not making a single cent from it, no one else has any right to do
>so, either.
>
>That's it for now- enjoy the music!


Michael David Toth
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:39:35 +0200 (CEST)
From: Luther Blissett <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) check out the real OPEN POP STAR, Luther Blissett.


http://www.mp3.com/blissett
http://blissett.iuma.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:21:55 -0700
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Exoti-Beatles on Live365.com

I currently have one of Johan's Beatle mixes running on FeelthyMonkeyRadio -
Prior to that, I had a collection of tunes culled from ExoticaRing disks,
but that was starting to get a bit old.

There are 3 of Johan's Fantastica programs on at the moment, so you may have
to listen for a while before you get to the Beatles (this should not be a
problem, as it's all great, wacky, exotic stuff.)

Go to live 365 and search for "feelthy" and you'll get a link to the show or
just go here:
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=feelthyradio

Programs Running:
Fantastica #49 Music to Scare Beatles Fans
Fantastica #51 Superman and Bride
Fantastica #52 Zounds 1

Playlists for Fantastica can be found here:
http://gallery.uunet.be/Quiet/fantastica/urgent_frame.htm


Enjoy!

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:38:33 +0200 (MEST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Pierre Henry Live

James asked:

>someone at the Vancouver record show was telling me about a Pierre Henry
>album called "the Green Queen" or something like that. Anyone out there
got
>this? or know what's up with it? He said it was great but he hadn't heard
of
>y"Messe Pour Le temps Present", which I love. I also have some really
>strange
>one from the 60's with a reflective silver cover - it's really out-there,

>and I have "Variations on a door and a sigh" which is not bad.
>what else by this Pierre Henry should I be scrounging for?????

The only one beside "Messe Pour Le temps Present" that i know is a 3LP Set
"Apokalypse Des Johannes" from 68 .It has also a fantastic silver
reflective cover. Maybe the same Record that you have ? When i remeber correctly
"Apokalypse Des Johannes" was a live concert that goes for hours in Paris 68.
The sound on the record is very experimental and extreme. You can forget a lot
of that industrial stuff from the 7 and 8ties after hearing this.
Entertainment Through Pain ! Never heard about "the Green Queen"

Martin

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:40:30 +0200 (MEST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) That taboo subject again...

Brain wrote:

>I have to bring up that controversial subject of which many people have
and
>will continue to have strong opinions... ie. Napster. I mention it as I
>only this week "joined" this community.  It all began when I saw a recent

>German film a few weeks back with a song done in German by Francoise
Hardy
>called "Traume".  Finding such a thing here is impossible, even while
>Quebec is the most likely place if any you'd turn up her music in North
>America. I asked a few contacts in Germany without much success as it
turns
>out there is almost nothing on CD of hers in German, and a used record
>store there would be the only chance.

Havent heard the song TR─UME by her, but i am searching unsuccesful about
a year for her LP called TR─UME because i've been told there is the german
Version from her brilliant "COMMENT TE DIRE ADIEU" on it. Btw On my french ep
of that song there is also the english titel IT HURTS TO SAY GOODBYE
written on the sleeve that maybe means there is also an english version out there.
Anyone knows ?

Martin

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:34:06 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

Quick question: there's this nine-note motif which I'm sure everyone
knows -- it's
stereotypically used (in Hollywood comedies, etc., or popular discourse in
general) to signify (and to make fun of) "Oriental" music, particularly
Chinese or Japanese music indiscriminately lumped together. It's also the
same little tinny-sounding phrase which opens The Vapors's "Turning
Japanese."

Now, I've always wondered: where does it come from? Is it an actual
Chinese/Japanese melody? Something from the Mikado, perhaps? Or a George
Formby tune?

Thanks in advance,
Ben

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:31:20 -0700
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

Benito Vergara wrote:
> Quick question: there's this nine-note motif which I'm sure everyone
> knows
> Now, I've always wondered: where does it come from? Is it an actual
> Chinese/Japanese melody? Something from the Mikado, perhaps? Or a George
> Formby tune?

I've ALWAYS wanted to know this... please someone, chime in with a good answer.

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:37:23 -0400
From: "naile trismegistus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

> Benito Vergara wrote:
> > Quick question: there's this nine-note motif which I'm sure everyone
> > knows

I'll see you and raise you one.  Where does the seven-note motif come from
that is always used when the Indians attack in the old Westerns?  :)

Actually, I was just thinking about both of these the other day....





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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:36:48 -0400
From: Craig Carlson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rawck in CT

JB wrote:

>I'll add the illustrious state of Connecticut to that list.....Bland as
white
>bread and boy, do they rawk!

I got one word for you:

WPKN

Craig



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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:46:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Lenkei <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sorry, no great records

I can't say I mind attitude all that much if the price is right.

A few months ago I bought about 30 ez albums from a clearance sale
at a record store in Brooklyn. The owners statement to me as I hauled my
purchases up to the counter was, "You've made some, ah, *unusual*
selections there." Not quite believing what I was spending
good money on.

- - bruce


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are
> you buying this crap for?" when you come up with ez/exotica
>
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Date: 18 Sep 2000 19:00:04 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

At 05:34 PM 18-09-00 -0700,Ben wonders:
>there's this nine-note motif which I'm sure everyone knows ...the
>same little tinny-sounding phrase which opens The Vapors's "Turning
Japanese."
>Now, I've always wondered: where does it come from?

I believe it is from a Japanese folk tune, but I would have to check my CD
to double check and to get the title.  Stay tuned.

Byron


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Date: 18 Sep 2000 19:23:14 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

At 05:34 PM 18-09-00 -0700,Ben wonders:
>there's this nine-note motif which I'm sure everyone knows ...the
>same little tinny-sounding phrase which opens The Vapors's "Turning
Japanese."
>Now, I've always wondered: where does it come from?

Well, the source I thought would confirm it does not include the motif.  It
did have other almost stereotypical Japanese tunes, but didn't hear that
one.  Sorry I chimed in without confirmation.

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:24:39 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Exoti-Beatles

>vol 1 is my favorite. in vols 2 and 3, there are some quite loud and
>"alternative" tracks. hardrock doesn't really fit in with novelty, i

Is there a US source for these (or was it mentioned while I was snoozing)?


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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:30:40 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) nine-note "Oriental" melody question

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> At 05:34 PM 18-09-00 -0700,Ben wonders:
> >there's this nine-note motif which I'm sure everyone knows ...the
> >same little tinny-sounding phrase which opens The Vapors's "Turning
> Japanese."
> >Now, I've always wondered: where does it come from?

> Well, the source I thought would confirm it does not include the
> motif.  It
> did have other almost stereotypical Japanese tunes, but didn't hear that
> one.

Well, thanks for checking, Byron. I'm sure someone out there must know...

Part of my interest is that I teach in an Asian American Studies department,
and part of what I deal with are ethnic stereotypes and whatnot. But this is
the only specifically *musical* "stereotype" I can think of -- that is, that
little musical flourish already automatically denotes "Asian music." It's
already musical shorthand of sorts.

And the other reason I wanna know is that it's been bugging me for the
longest time now... Man, it's gotta come from somewhere... A colleague of
mine claims it's from Gilbert and Sullivan, but he's not sure.

And as for the seven-note phrase associated with "Injuns:" I'm afraid I'm
not even sure how it goes! Can you hum a few notes? =)

Oh, and I got another one!!! It's those four notes that are played after
someone, say, in a comedy skit, gets humiliated or embarrassed. Kind of like
the musical "Doh!" (as said by Homer Simpson): it goes "wah wah wah
waaaaahhhh." Know what I'm talking about? Does it come from vaudeville,
perhaps?

I just figure that if someone knows, it'll be on this list.

Later,
Ben

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