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exotica-digest         Thursday, May 25 2000         Volume 02 : Number 726



In This Digest:

(exotica) All Music Guide
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
(exotica) Rant 'n Rave
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Correction
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
RE: (exotica) modern exotica?
RE: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
(exotica) Call two for Nicola
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
(exotica) The New testament of Funk
(exotica) Annnette!
Re: (exotica) The New testament of Funk
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
(exotica) The President's Analyst
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
(exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
(exotica) NY Record Fair
Re: (exotica) bad words
Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
Re: (exotica) Annnette!
(exotica) Hey Lazlo My Posts  are not making it to the list test
Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz
Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab
(exotica) Filthy Language (was coffy et al)
Re: (exotica) tired of Coffy/Jazz

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:50:36 -0700
From: "paul thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) All Music Guide

 From the 29 May, 2000 edition of The New Yorker:

  "All Music Guide http://www.allmusic.com

  Have those Benny Goodman/Jack Teagarden records you loved so much as child appeared on CD? When did Patsy Cline die? And whatever happened to Black Oak Arkansas? fear not: the All Music Guide knows all. One of the best references in cyberspace, the Guide includes capsule biographies of roughly forty thousand artists and reviews of roughly a hundred and fifty thousand albums. Other on-line music resources tend to focus on specific genres, but All Music ranges from rock to pop to punk to jazz to hip=hop to soca. And, incase you're wondering, those Goodman/Teagarden records are available on CD."

  Thought I'd quote this verbatim  and pass this along before going off to explore this myself.

  ~~Paul~~


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: tikiman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

Peter... hey t'anks, eh!

> ...think Don Tiki is the
> balls

NOW there's a man with strong opinions and good taste!
I think any on this list who hasn't bought a copy
yet...

> may as well take the blades out and
> just get it over with,

will get back to y'all re Martin Denny w/Don Tiki @
Hawaii Jazz Fest as it's still taking shape.

best,
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:01:13 -0700
From: "paul thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rant 'n Rave

"Jesus fucking christ
No one to talk to, no one to relate to, TIRED SHIT
I'm sick of it, sooooooooooooooo later y'all

Jack"

  Aw,Jack ... you aren't mad are you? Say it ain't so.

  ~~paul~~


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

Excellent. The exotic abuse list.

Shit piss fuck (et va te faire foutre),

BW
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:20:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Correction

<< P.S.  The next release, by the way, won't contain any 'commercial
 interruptions' at all. >>

ahem!  'cuse me!

Some of us like commercials, and in a very big way.  I collect them, movie
spots, jingles, etc.  hard to find those radio station promos!

The commercials on this set were the highlight for me, so keep em coming  :)


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:51:43 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

> <<  I like slushies over slush puppies, >>
>
> If you don't like Icees you're a total dog loving, corn eating, nacho
> eating, horse breeding, cornfed, mentally reflective, God blessed
gracious, circle
> drawing, melon, piece of human being, and Man you're just so incredibly
> fine, I mean really super freaky fine, like putting your tongue in a
> chocolate milkshake fine, you slab of muscle.
>
> Jesus, I just love you to bits and the bits of anyone else who doesn't
like
> Icee brand frozen ice beverages.  You brainy postman.  If I could kiss you
> right now I wouldn't think twice about it. I'd embrace your neck like a
dried
> prune, you freaky love pile.
>
> -Roy G. Biv


I'm rubber and your glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you,
ya big smarmy bug-eater.  ;)

Peter



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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:56:07 -0700
From: "Larson/Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) modern exotica?

> whats the Mad Sheer Khan stuff like?

It's Tales of the Arabian Nights translated into 7 languages for 7 different
songs.  Languages include Algerian, Persian, Tibetan, Hebrew, Indian, and I
forget the rest.   Female vocalists on each song and interesting, somewhat
modern sounding arrangements.  It's a pretty unique CD.

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:59:21 -0700
From: "Larson/Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

Didn't I say just recently how nice this list was?  Didn't I say we were
great folks?

I bet all you skeptics are feeling pretty silly right about now...

Jerry



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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:31:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Call two for Nicola

does anyone have a MP3 of Bossa Per Due by Nicola Conte?

sorry for the repeat, but i figured it was worth another try.

tb


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:03:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

well, roy gets the vote for the most obscene message year to date.

and has anyone taken a day count on how long Jack has been with us this time.
 i sense a record (or rekkid as he would say).

tb

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<< ----------Warning: The Following Message Contains Explicit
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 In a message dated 05/24/2000 3:16:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 <<  I like slushies over slush puppies, >>

 If you don't like Icees you're a total dog fucking >>


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:04:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

In a message dated 5/24/00 7:01:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Was the message that followed supposed to be sarcastic or something?  Even
 if it was satire it is annoying. >>

i liked it!  we need more dirty talk on this list!

tb


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:07:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

In a message dated 5/24/00 9:57:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  writes:

<< Didn't I say just recently how nice this list was?  Didn't I say we were
 great folks?

 I bet all you skeptics are feeling pretty silly right about now...

 Jerry
  >>

Shut your trap you Baxter loving,  jazz listening fool.

tb


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:12:43 -0400
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The New testament of Funk

More on this series...  I'd posted a strong buy (sounds like a stock
promotion!) recommendation for the "New Testament of Funk - 2000".  I just
received the first volume, entitled "New Testament of Funk" and I can now
explain the confusion on the CDNow website.  The first CD volume is actually
a collection of the three original 10" volumes 1-3 of New Testament of Funk.
Includes James taylor Quartet, Le Hammond Inferno and 10 other tracks. These
two CD's can't fail to disappoint the discriminationg breakbeat addict and
are not all that expensive for a change!

Brian



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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:26:01 -0400
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Annnette!

Just back from a week in Winnipeg of which I will spare you all the details
of the family events.  I did manage to find one thing that made the trip
musically worthwhile though. A while back I though I'd discovered the
existence of a box set by Annette but in fact I later found out it has been
out of print for some years. Well I found a copy of this box in a store in
Winnipeg!  Missed out on the CD version which they also had but were sold
maybe a week ago so I had to settle for the cassettes. They're really good
but as Moritz pointed out, suffer from the fatal flaw of leaving out The
Hooky Lau song?  Still, at CDN$20 it was a lot cheaper than bidding on
copies of the original LP's which reach US$35 and up whenever I manage to
spot them on ebay.  The book that came with it is really well done. I do
wish Disney would reissue some of this material but I know it's a lot more
profitable to create new gimmicks you can market through McDonalds, so I
can't see them wasting the time on this effort.  Sigh... If only Walt were
still alive...

Brian



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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:38:38 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The New testament of Funk

Brian Karasick wrote:
> These
> two CD's can't fail to disappoint the discriminationg breakbeat addict and
> are not all that expensive for a change!

See what happens when I don't proofread his e-mail before he sends it?
I believe he means won't disappoint - they are two excellent CDs!!

cheryl


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:20:14 PDT
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

funny, i was just going to ask the list for suggested roy ayers albums , but
thought, as it is 'straight' jazz, it might be a bit ot.
any suggestions?
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:52:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The President's Analyst

Don't know if this movie has been mentioned before.
Last night (8pm EST) AMC showed The President's
Analyst, a 1967 adventure/comedy spoof on spy films
(James Coburn and Godfrey Cambridge). Great camp -
acid drenched psychedelic rave-ups, assassinations
(usually invoving a team of midget operatives from the
Safety and Security, or "SS"), the black hand of the
Telephone Company, mod suburban homes with "total
sound" systems. And the Schifrin ST was first rate.

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:28:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

Byron was displeased by the language used in the poem I previously posted in=
=20
response to Mr. Risser's post and I apologize.  It is a personal shortcoming=
=20
of mine that I get very passionate, when writing poetry and very passionate=20
when it comes to Icee brand carbonated, frozen ice beverages.  I may use=20
strong words to both make a point and prove my brand loyalty, but my=20
intention was not to offend.

I did include a warning at the top of my post to protect the very soft and=20
sensitive readers like Byron, but I guess he threw safety to the four winds=20
and went ahead and read anyway.

Byron wasn=92t sure of the humorous form that I used for my poem.  It was a=20
variation on hyperbolic parody with a commercial product tie-in to add=20
legitimacy.

Byron said that he didn=92t appreciate any post to the mailing list that=20
contained more obscenities/ "swear words" then any other words.  The message=
=20
I sent contained 103 words.  The following 18 words and phrases are the only=
=20
ones that might possibly be construed as harsh.  At last count only 8 of the=
m=20
came close to falling under the rubric of obscenity. =20

1. dog fucking
- - This is certainly obscene and illegal in the U.S., but I though it a nice=20
way to start my attack on Mr. Risser.

2. corn shucking
- -It=92s not really obscene, I just used this because it rhymed with dog fuck=
ing.

3. shit eating
- -foul and certainly obscene although I believe there are numerous German web=
=20
sites devoted to this pastime.

4. horse raping
- -Like #1 (above) obscene & Illegal, plus it involved a step ladder or some=20
sort of stool, so I found it to be a colorful image.

5. inbred
- -An insult dating back to the dawn of recorded time, but not especially=20
obscene.

6. mentally defective
- -Similar to #5 in it=92s use and also not really obscene

7. God Damned ignorant
- -Mean spirited and it may be breaking the third commandment, but I don=92t=20
think it=92s really obscene

8. circle jerking
- -I=92d go with this one being obscene, but I=92ve never engaged in the activ=
ity. =20
If some of you (and we know who you are) on the list who have participated i=
n=20
this type of group activity might like to elaborate on it=92s merits, that=20
would be very educational.

9. moron
- -See # 6 above

10. piece of human filth
- -I=92d say this one was nasty and mean spirited, but not obscene.

11. you're just so incredibly stupid
- -Just amorphously immature

12. really super fucking stupid
- -see #11 above and add a little prepubescent hostility to it.  The inclusion=
=20
of the word, "fucking" probably does make it obscene.

13. you slab of shit.
- -Like #5 above, excremental comparisons are rather old hat.  I threw in the=20
alliteration to give it some flavor,...yuck.=20

14. I just hate your guts and the guts of anyone else who...=20
- -See #12 above

15. You brainless asshole. =20
- -Not nice, but I=92ve heard worse from 2nd graders.

16. If I could kill you right now I wouldn't think twice about it.=20
- -Violent, hyperbolic foolishness

17. I'd snap your neck like a dried twig
- -See #16 above with added sensory image to give it texture and a creamy=20
nougat center.

18. you filthy fuck pile.
- -This one is my opus and I=92m very proud if it.  I=92ve gotten many positiv=
e=20
comments on this particular obscenity.  Quite a few people from the list hav=
e=20
asked how they can work this phrase into their everyday conversation. In a=20
future post I=92ll give you all some helpful hints in the proper use of the=20
phrase, =93Filthy fuck pile=94

In conclusion, I=92d like the solicit the readers of this mailing list to=20
freely discuss my poem, now titled, =93Your Opinion Sucks, Why Don=92t You G=
o=20
Drink Rancid Cat Piss=94

Thank you all for this free and open place to discuss our varying world view=
s,
- -Roy


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

Saw Stereolab last night, they were a little grungier at times than I expected, but
they still got in that hypnotic trance loungy mood.

While driving into work today I heard the Accord commercial.  I think the music
sounded like it came from The TV Dinner comps on Scamp?  Does anyone know what this
music is?

Moments later the Acura commercial came on,  the music was tremendous.  Any info on
who this is?

Also heard Air on the L'Oreal commercial.   As someone already stated exotica music
is embraced by wall street these days.

These commercials may have been discussed on the list already, but I missed it.
Thanks for any info

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:47:15 -0700
From: "Dick, Alice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) NY Record Fair

Many thanks to whoever posted the info re: the NYC Record Fair a couple
weekends ago. I took my mother to the Big City for Mothers' Day weekend and
stopped off at the fair while we were there. I didn't get there till
Saturday, so I'm sure I missed a lot of good stuff, but it was great fun
just the same and my mother found it very entertaining. Less exotica there
than I had hoped for but there was a fair selection.

Didn't buy anything though.

At someone else's suggestion, I checked out the Philadelphia Record exchange
when I was in Philly about a month ago and found the guys there to be both
helpful and enthusiastic. I would recommend this place should you ever be
spending a weekend in Philly!

Thanks for all the tips!

alice


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Lenkei <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bad words

Please stop posting such hilarious information this early in the morning
as drinking coffee while laughing causes said coffee to come
out of my nose and onto my desk and keyboard. Thank you.

- - bruce

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> The following 18 words and phrases are the only
> ones that might possibly be construed as harsh.  At last count only 8 of them
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:58:09 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

<<Also heard Air on the L'Oreal commercial.   As someone already stated =
exotica music
is embraced by wall street these days.>>

I don't think it's being "embraced by wall street" as much as being =
"utilized" by the current generation (are we still in generation X when =
discussing 30 somethings???) of media production guys/gals who've embraced =
this music as the "new hip thing."

Not that that's a bad thing - but I kinda blanche whenever something I =
love turns up as fodder for commercialism.

- - Nate





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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:43:13 +0100
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

Am I right in thinking that Jack blew up at the list, ranting and raving
that all we ever post is playlists and meaningless drivel, never getting
all deep about West Coast jazz (when we say 'West', are we talking about
Wales, or Cornwall or somewhere like that?) and instead whittering about
the same old crap, day in day out?

Surely that's the point. Has he left? I feel a whistling wind and an
emptiness descending.

Oh no I don't, coz Roy's here to fill the void with quality swearing (which
I forwarded to a number of colleagues).




Charlie

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

Nathan

I can't believe you recieved the email I wrote to the list and responded to it and
your respnse is is in my inbox from the list!.  I still have not recieved my
original message  posted to the list.   Does this problem happen to anyone else??

Chuck

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> <<Also heard Air on the L'Oreal commercial.   As someone already stated exotica
> music
> is embraced by wall street these days.>>
>
> I don't think it's being "embraced by wall street" as much as being "utilized" by
> the current generation (are we still in generation X when discussing 30
> somethings???) of media production guys/gals who've embraced this music as the
> "new hip thing."
>
> Not that that's a bad thing - but I kinda blanche whenever something I love turns
> up as fodder for commercialism.
>
> - Nate


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:07:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

<< Moments later the Acura commercial came on >>

there is an Acura commerical on TV that uses Arling and Cameron's Voulez-Vous.
it certainly took me by surprise! If ever Arling and Cameron come to your
town - they put on a fab show.. I saw them in LA a year ago with DJ Me DJ
You..

:0)
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:25:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Annnette!

In a message dated 5/24/00 8:40:47 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Sigh... If only Walt were

still alive...


Brian >>

Brian, I have to agree here. Although I think the Disney Company still makes
SOME quality things, I believe Walt would have given us more of the original
Disney archives. I have the CD boxed set of Annette and I have several of her
original LPs. I think she had a very unique voice. Not a great voice, but I
always knew when it was Annette was singing and her songs were fun fun fun.
Anyone know how she's doing these days healthwise?
Gloria


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hey Lazlo My Posts  are not making it to the list test

This is only a test, had it been an actual emergency ......

Just trying to see why my posts to the exotica list are not coming back to me from
the majordomo.

There seems to be a major problem when you cc the exotica list.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:12:09 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

>Not that that's a bad thing - but I kinda blanche whenever something I
>love turns up as fodder for commercialism.

There is that aspect of it, sort of like seeing Mona Lisa imprinted toilet
paper, however, when this discussion came up in another mailing list, in
which the argument, much more vehement than Mr. Miner's statement arose,
there was much hue and cry over the sell out aspect of art, etc.   I then
pointed out that The Who did commercials, Cream did, the Rolling Stones did
a Rice Krispies ad, Little Richard did at least one and on and on.  All of
them are still regarded highly, ads aside.  The only ad I can think of that
was deleterious to their image was Milli Vanilli's, however, their star had
definitely waned and this ad, which poked fun at their Lip-synching did
nothing to help matters.  I don't mind the copping, as long as the artist
gets their due, financially.  At Sundance I heard Don Tiki's "Close Your
Eyes" in one of the festival promo trailers and this, sadly was news to Don
Tiki.  No one was asked!

I will tell you what really turns my stomach.  However, enough about Strom
Thurmond.  What also used to get to me were the knock-off tunes.  Themes
designed to make you think that you were listening to hit tunes of the day
and then it would veer just slightly to make it "original".  Not only is
that slight to the original composer, but also to the new "composer" who is
basically told by the ad agency or sponsor that you are far too stupid to
come up with anything YOU may deem appropriate so write something like ____
for we are too cheap to pay ___.

If the options are hip music choices and knock-offs, I side with the first,
but it goes along with the fervent prayer that the artist is seeing some
dough.  Case in point:  The Monks were a band of Americans that were based
in Germany in the 1960's.  They released a couple of singles and one
unbelievably great album.  Very punk for 1966 and even featured rhythm
banjo.  The album flopped and only until recently has it gotten it's
due.  When I see a PowerAde commercial and I hear their song "Monk Time", I
hear the validation of one of my obsessions (see, I told you it was good!),
I smile (it is a suitably rousing piece of music) and I am glad that five
guys who got no recognition in their heyday may actually see a little
change from their exploits (one of them fell on hard times for a while).

Which, as Miner said somewhat, isn't too bad after all.

Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:29:12 +0100
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

What also used to get to me were the knock-off tunes.  Themes
designed to make you think that you were listening to hit tunes of the day
and then it would veer just slightly to make it "original".  Not only is
that slight to the original composer, but also to the new "composer" who is
basically told by the ad agency or sponsor that you are far too stupid to
come up with anything YOU may deem appropriate so write something like ____
for we are too cheap to pay ___.


Which is interesting, because a lot of the music we like on this list,
particularly library music and instrumental pop, is designed to sound like
the sound of the day without being an exact copy. When a record like The
Mohawks (a superb hammond classic) was thought up, the plan was to get a
few studio musicians in to rip-off the current 'sound' and make a quick
buck. I celebrate this sort of behaviour but probably only in retrospect.

I have a Lee Mason Chappel library LP at home with an almost exact copy of
the Hawaii Five-O theme but it's just different enough.


Anyway......

Charlie

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:43:37 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

At 11:14 AM 5/24/00 -0700, Jack Diamond wrote:
>
>You guys are so fucked up as far as "Coffy" goes, it astounds me
>
>I know James Brauwer is not a big jazz fan, if at all, so his opinion
>figures, as Roy Ayers is a monster jazz/funk vibist AND obviously Coffy has
>a huge "jazz" influence/edge to it, having been composed and arranged/led
>by him

Let me get this straight. IF you like jazz then you'll like this soundtrack
because a monster jazz/funk vibist composed it?
Well I haven't heard that soundtrack but I have heard some very boring
records made by that same monster.

>BUT 'YOU GUYS", (gals included) have no idea that A LOT of the stuff you
>are listening to
>IS JAZZ.  Straight ahead jazz, beatnik jazz
>You wanna call it "crime jazz" ?

>You wanna buy into the bullshit of the record labels and the "genre" they
>created to sell their PRODUCT, which is what THEY call it, go ahead.
>BUT, THE REALITY is that it is west coast jazz/straight ahead jazz

Are you saying that the term "crime jazz" has no meaning? That it's simply
"jazz" or "straight ahead jazz" and that the term "crime jazz" is just a
term made up by people who don't know what jazz is?
I can't believe you're saying that.
Because I would say the same thing about your term "beatnik jazz".
What the frig is beatnik jazz?
Jazz that beatniks liked?
The kind of jazz that Jack Kerouac liked?
I thought that was called bebop.

I'm not sure who you're arguing with to be honest.
But since you brought up the topic, I'll say this about crime jazz.
While it was certainly performed by and sometimes composed and arranged by
the same musicians that made up the "inner circle" of west coast jazz
musicians, I still think there's a distinction that can be made between
crime jazz and west coast jazz.
It's possible that you could take a fan of west coast jazz and turn them
onto soundtrack music performed by the likes of Bud Shank, Art Pepper, Jack
Sheldon, Shelly Manne, Frank Rosolino, Pete Jolly, Milt Holland etc.
And it's possible that you could take a fan of "crime jazz" and turn them
onto a record of straight ahead west coast jazz.

Crime jazz could be a good introduction to west coast jazz.  It could be a
way to open the door to jazz.

But you'll always be able to make a distinction between music composed and
arranged for the scoring of a film or TV show AND jazz.

I'm not saying that crime jazz ISN'T jazz.  In fact the last time a similar
topic came up, I argued the opposite.
But if someone on this list told me that they loved the "I want to live" or
"Richard Diamond" soundtracks, I wouldn't tell them "Well you should start
buying Art Pepper records".

But what's any of this got to do with Roy Ayers and Coffy?

First of all, Roy Ayers is not exactly a classic west coast jazz musician,
is he?
In my opinion those Roy Ayers records that are seen as classic "acid jazz"
are barely jazz at all.
That doesn't mean I don't like them.
But if someone told me they were a "jazz fan", Roy Ayers is not the first
name I'd recommend to them.
>
>This is 1 of the reasons many people leave this freakin' list, ignorance
>People giving, giving and giving and getting ignorance in return
>These tiny little posts about what this guy thinks and what this guy thinks
>and what this gal thinks

You're making a distinction between a post where someone says what he
thinks  AND YOUR POSTS where you spout gems like this???:

>How ANYONE could say ANYTHING negative about COFFY, concerning themselves
>or anything, needs to get the blades out and just get it over with

I don't know why people leave this freakin list and I really don't care.
But if you want to leave, be my guest.
Before you go though, could you just leave us a list of what's good and
what's bad?  So we won't have to argue about it.
And if anything on the "good list" happens to be something you're selling,
you might include that information too.

Nat




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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:15:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

In a message dated 05/25/00 10:29:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Byron was displeased by the language used in the poem I previously posted
in
 response to Mr. Risser's post and I apologize.  >>

well, this post lightened up my otherwise "Filthy fuck pile" day.

thanks roy!

let the cussin' begin!


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:24:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Coffy/Jazz

In a message dated 05/25/00 10:58:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Surely that's the point. Has he left? I feel a whistling wind and an
 emptiness descending. >>

i feel a return to a less mercantile list decending and am ready for some
piece and quiet!  at least on the "you gotta hear this rekkid!" front.
always followed by $ 17.95 plus shipping and handling.

there! that was mean spirited in the current M.O. of the List.

TB


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:27:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Honda Accord, the Acura and Stereolab

In a message dated 05/25/00 11:09:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< there is an Acura commerical on TV that uses Arling and Cameron's
Voulez-Vous.
 it certainly took me by surprise! If ever Arling and Cameron come to your
 town - they put on a fab show.. I saw them in LA a year ago with DJ Me DJ
 You.. >>

also a commercial for acura that uses the Nicola Conte Bossa Per Due song . .
. . . . . . . . which i am desperately looking for a MP3 of.

hint number 3!

tb


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:37:03 +0100
From: "ark edgar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Filthy Language (was coffy et al)

Dog wanking unclefuckers drink iced drinks.

You chocolate  starfish munchers


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Kindest Regards

Ronnie (written whilst corn shucking)



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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:26:48 GMT
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) tired of Coffy/Jazz

I entirely agree with Nat Kone regarding this post. A bit of a tired topic
now so I'll try to keep this short.

>You guys are so fucked up as far as "Coffy" goes, it astounds me
>
>I know James Brauwer is not a big jazz fan, if at all, so his opinion
>figures, as Roy Ayers is a monster jazz/funk vibist AND obviously Coffy has
>a huge "jazz" influence/edge to it, having been composed and arranged/led
>by him

I'm perfectly aware Roy Ayers being the "monster jazz vibist" you say he is.
Contrary to what you say, I am a solid jazz fan, for a few years it was all
I collected. I've got a lot of it, everything from Clifford Brown to Archie
Shepp, and I play it and enjoy it now and again. Just because I don't
discuss jazz in an exotica-list context [go figure] doesn't mean it has no
importance for me.

But the real question is how the jazz label adds anything to this
discussion. o.k. he's a monster jazz vibist. thanks, but most of us
including myself already knew this. And it doesn't alter my opinion one bit
about this soundtrack, which was what was being discussed - oh but I forgot,
you don't like our opinions. what did you call them? - "giving ignorance and
getting ignorance in return". how kind. maybe we should write an essay's
worth of liner-notes everytime we want to express an opinion about an album?
- - oh but there I go again, talking about "opinions" - can't have that right?
- - just the facts, with occasional outbursts of the holier-than-thou
condemnations you so excel at. What an interesting exotica list that will
make: stats and blows. I'm looking forward to that.

>People that do nothing but post their god damn playlists and RARELY say
>anything else
>LISTEN TO MY SHOW!!!

As for the playlist thing: they're the easiest thing in the world to ignore.
If you don't like 'em just delete 'em. And I'm at a loss as to how someone
screaming "LISTEN TO MY SHOW!!" while dissing half the people on this list
is any more laudable than those who post playlists.

>How ANYONE could say ANYTHING negative about COFFY, concerning themselves
>or anything, needs to get the blades out and just get it over with

oh, apologies all around. perhaps, from now on we should consult you as to
what does and doesn't allow for negative thoughts. you seem to enjoy
policing our ideas so we might as well bow down right now. In fact, as Nat
said, you'd better just leave us a list as to what we're allowed to like.
That'd make life simpler for everybody.

your humble servant

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