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exotica-digest         Monday, April 10 2000         Volume 02 : Number 682



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) What?
(exotica) MacDermot find
Re: (exotica) Dissipated ...
Re: (exotica) women as collectors
(exotica) Im back
(exotica) April 15 in Los Angeles
Re: (exotica) women as collectors
(exotica) Im back
(exotica) Search engines can access this mailing list, damn!!
Re: (exotica) Strange Truths
Re: (exotica) More Lee,  with Anne Margret
Re: (exotica) women as collectors
(exotica) Fw: Kit Ream
Re: (exotica) women as collectors  Thanks! (Long)
Re: (exotica) Search engines can access this mailing list, damn!!
Re: (exotica) Strange Truths
Re: (exotica) Strange Truths
Re: (exotica) women as collectors  Thanks! (Longer)
Re: (exotica) Strange Truths
Re: (exotica) Re: women as collectors
Re:  (exotica) "Kaliedoscope" by DJ Food url
Re: (exotica) women as collectors  Thanks! (Longer)
(exotica) Bayanihan Sings
Re: (exotica) "Kaleidoscope" by DJ Food url
(exotica) Bayanihan Sings (2)
Re: (exotica) men, women, art and music

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:17:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) What?

<< They're Japanese issues and should have cost a LOT
 more but they came from a grotty promos shop and neither have covers. Take
 them before I vomit. >>

surely it must be jane birkins singing that makes you vomit and not Jane
herself  :)



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:24:12 +0100
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) MacDermot find

I also got Galt MacDermot's Uptown Mid-Manhattan Rhythm Section - a reissue
(or maybe an original only just issued, after info obtained talking to
MacDermot's daughter a while ago) of a nice jazz LP with Bernard Purdie on
drums and one or two standout tracks but in that slow, plodding hip hop
style of heavy-on-the-drunks jazz. I like it a lot - similar to his Woman
is Sweeter and Nucleus (Green Apples) soundtracks. I think I am a Galt
MacDermot completist (apart from any copies of Hair, which I refuse to own,
although I may stretch to the Japanese cast issue) but don't own many of
his records.

Can one be a completist by intent?


Charlie


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dissipated ...

BP:  Male, female, vegetable or mineral: BJ stood out
in that s/he was intentionally and unreservedly
abrasive. In her Grand Adieu, she told us that we were
all (not only those she called obnoxious) basically a
vulgar mob for using common terms such as "Exotica",
"Lounge" etc., to describe what apparently she alone
knew to be great music, great artists.

I for one never bothered to read anything until she
responded to me. She opened one response with
"Whatever." I wasn't left feeling marginalized or
gelded, but with a good summary of my feelings with
regard to the BJ issue.

All that aside, she did sponsor some diverting chaos.



- --- Brian Phillips <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Strange, I never did, considering her earliest posts
> came through as
> (Barbara J.) B.J. Major.

> Brian "or is it Briana?" Phillips



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:27:13 -0400
From: "Jenna Kimberlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) women as collectors

[e-mail] wrote:
>Why aren't there more women who collect records and are eager to talk about
it?

Too busy trudging through digests of the exotica mailing list and weeding
out the flame war - very hard via digest I might add. By the time I finish
I'm too exhausted to post!

[e-mail] wrote:
>My significant other has a whole theory about that very subject. Men, she
>submits, are  measurers of existence. They need measurable units to
quantify
>an otherwise unquantifiable experience called living. They do this with
>sports, records, stamps, coins (anyone have a 1909 S-VDB?), tools,
electronic
>gear, other gear, and other items of a utilitarian nature. Women are
>envelopers of the entire earth and look at all existence as one unit, each
>component inseparable from the whole of it all. That's how she sees
it....JB

Nah, I've got wayyyy too many books, records, vintage outfits and comics for
that to explain it. I wish I could be more zen and "[envelop] of the entire
earth and look at all existence as one unit". That sounds so noble. And I'd
have much less crap around the house ;-)

cheers,
jk

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:52:44 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Im back

Did I miss anything good?

visit=20
THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20
at http://www.brimstones.com
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=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4
surfing the chaos,
Charlieman
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:23:06 -0700
From: "Otto" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) April 15 in Los Angeles

A One-Night-Only 'SOME LIKE IT HOT' Movie Screening & Stageshow

A one-night-only 'SOME LIKE IT HOT' movie and live burlesque-style stage
show will take place on Saturday, April 15 at 7:30 p.m. at the historic
Orpheum Theatre at 842 S. Broadway in downtown Los Angeles.

The live burlesque revue will include a rare appearance by 74-yr-old
stripper Dixie Evans, who in the 50's was promoted as 'the Marilyn Monroe of
Burlesque' and is 'coming out' of retirement to briefly revive part of her
original stage act for this fundraising event.

(Evans was actually sued by Monroe's attorneys, but her career

perservered).

Other performers will include the band CAFE R & B, magicians, jazz dancers
and the team 'Lipstick & Lashes' (featuring precision bullwhip artist Brian
Chic who will actually pick off his female partner's Salome outfit with the
tip of his whip). The evening will be capped with a screening of a 35mm
ARCHIVAL PRINTof the Billy Wilder 1959 film classic 'SOME LIKE IT HOT'
starring Marilyn Monroe, Tony Curtis & Jack Lemmon. Proceeds from this event
will go toward restoring the Orpheum Theatre's historic vertical sign. For
more information call Friends Of The Orpheum at [phone] or visit
their website at http://www.friendsoftheorpheum.org/. See the "Events" link.
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:15:02 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) women as collectors

I think there are plenty of women who collect, but it might depend on the
objects of interest. If you ever go to an antique show, along with insanely
high prices, you will find a pretty even gender mix. Maybe even slanted a
bit toward the female.


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:25:56 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Im back

I hope my subscription attempt worked....


visit=20
THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20
at http://www.brimstones.com
=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=
=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4
surfing the chaos,
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:22:48 +0100
From: Reader Geoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Search engines can access this mailing list, damn!!

Thats how I found the list I'd just bought Piero Umiliani's 'Todays Sound'
and the Exotica archives were the only hit on his name.

Home.......

El Maestro Con Queso

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(My DJ name was no so wu-fantastic)

Oh PS,  Gionni,  what about an Italian soundtrack site.  Go on,  you the man
for the job.

I was just doing a Yahoo search on the movie Skidoo and it brought up the
archive of the Exotica mailing list from 1996.  I didn't know that all
messages posted to this mailing list were accessible via a simple Internet
search.    I always thought (fondly) that the mailing list's archives were a

little harder to get to. Heck, if I'd known everybody was listening-in I
wouldn't have been so free with all the nasty language I've been tossing
around.

- - -Roy




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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:24:57 -0500
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Strange Truths

> Rod Serling type of brogue. Very amusing stuff - but
> as I was half-listening I noticed that the eerie
> background music for some of the tracks was from
> Attileo Mineo's Man in Space with Sounds.

I'm 99% sure there's also music from Man in Space with Sounds in
the pre-credits sequence of a movie called The Green Slime (love
that title!).  The theme song has always been a sort of guilty
pleasure, too.


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:33:41 +0100
From: Reader Geoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Lee,  with Anne Margret

Mo wrote

Trouble is a Lonesome Town, on LHI. So I guess that one will not be
put out again by SLR.

Speaking of it: Here's a bit of an off-list question: Does anybody know the
name of the font that was used to write the name Lee Hazlewood on that album
cover and if it's available for computers (i.e. Macs, to be precise) ? Have
a
look: http://home.munich.netsurf.de/Moritz.Reichelt/ebay/lee_trouble.jpg


Its been out on SLR since January some time,  thats the version I have.  I
did see a Lee CD on LHI about a week ago. that as far as I know hasn't been
re-issued yet. Poet Fool or (and?) Bum. i assume its an unofficial release.
No idea of the font name, sorry.

Nice LP,  in a melancholic country way.  Not like the Nancy stuff.

El Maestro Con Queso

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:39:13 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) women as collectors

I know a wife and husband who are both record collectors (I am not talking
about me.  My wife collects videos).  She knows more about music than he
and their marriage was a melding of collections (their tastes are very
similar) as well as other things, to be sure.  There are some things that
she collects that he does not, though.  She enjoys likenesses of
poodles.  She has pictures and a couple of lamps that are in the shape of
poodles.  They have an agreement that SHE collects the poodles, both
collect the music.

Buying them a Christmas present is always daunting.  I just go for
magazines (which they ALSO collect!)

Brian Phillips




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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:41:30 -0700
From: "Mr. Fodder" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Fw: Kit Ream

Can anyone on this list help this fellow with his Kit Ream search? (message
listed below)
If you can please contact Matthew at [e-mail]

Thanks in advance,

Otis


> In a message dated 4/9/00 6:59:23 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
>  I recently scored a copy of "All That I Am" by Kit Ream and now find
myself
> obsessed with finding out whatever the hell happened to that guy.  Can you
be
> of assistance?
>
>  - Matthew >>




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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:05:07 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) women as collectors  Thanks! (Long)

Thanks, y'all, for comments about women as collectors. Yummy buffet. Wanted
to toss out a few responses. No need to add caveats about generalizations,
is there? I love talking about men and women.

JB: Tend to agree with your sig ot, based on the 'women as mothers'
bio-determinism thang. Do know there've been several studies that indicate
women are better at multitasking than men, who are better at singlemindedly
knocking off individual tasks, one after the other. Naturally selected
biochemistry has a lot to do with this difference, if I recall correctly.
So this means that women would tend to collect more amorphously, record
collecting as one of several activities they pursue in between birthin'
babies and gathering grubs and roots. Men would tend to obsessively collect
all 450 Ventures records, along with any singles, flexidisks, MP3 files,
print ads, inner sleeves, show posters and tickets, etc. etc., and find
great joy in counting up their treasures (after they had nailed that woolly
mammoth to feed the clan for a few weeks). Would really like to know, Jimmy
B: Do you agree with your sig ot?

Nat: Definitely go along with the idea of "sexuation"--a hideous word--as
more a matter of psychological orientation than body parts. Tend to go
along with obsessive collecting but wonder if hysterical collecting does
have a practical purpose. Will cite my very modest collection of women's
hats and gloves as examples. Extremely impractical, unless some cellular
prompting caused me to buy that blue velvet turban because a fetching
bonnet would help me catch an alpha-mate who will keep me in woolly
mammoths. Then there's Imelda and her shoes--but she is off most scales of
sane behavior. I know several women who buy shoes, well, obsessively. They
cannot resist a stylish pump. Luckily, some but not all of these women have
blessedly found foot fetishist mates who share their mania. Who
knows--maybe their purple calfskin slingbacks helped lure these mates their
way. Others try their mates' patience and hunt continuously for closet
space.

Or perhaps these women's shoes are substitutes for real life or something
lacking in their real relationships, as Moritz suggested. (Mo, wanted to
say more about your post, especially about men and women on lists, but
don't have time today.) Men have greater cultural permission to collect
stuff.

Cheryl, my experience echoes yours--I've known very few women who are as
nuts about music as I. I signed on to eXotica hoping to find other women
who collect lounge and EZ. Most other women tend to like less hard-edged
music than I, too. And whenever I meet another collector methodically
thumbing through the used bins at record stores or thrifts, he is almost
always male. At the fall Austin Record Convention, billed as the biggest
show if its kind in the US, men greatly outnumbered women. Same with the
dealers--almost all men. Had a nice conversation with two women who were
after soul and jazz. One told me she was buying as many records as possible
so when she retires, kids outta the house, her nest will be plush with
music. I could relate. She said she had "a few thousand" records. Couldn't
relate to that one.

Your remarks, Cheryl, made me realize that I've enjoyed several close
friendships with men that were rooted in shared tastes in music while my
friendships with women tend to develop from other joint interests. Has that
been true of you? (Or any other women who lurk?) I've never had a close
woman friend who's a professional musician though. Jane, for example, may
"love music more" than I do but she probably listens to it differently than
I do too--of course. I probably read differently than she. (Sorry to
mention Jane is her absence. Hope she returns and that AstroSlut wins big.)

Will repeat the mention-in-absence sin with Jill. Jill and I corresponded
offlist about this men and women and music and collecting business. We
agreed, music nutdom is unusual for women--and that male music nuts tend to
find women music nuts sexy because they're exceptions to the norm. Any
comments on this one, men and women?

Now to work, but for a parting thought. Realized recently that the main
reason I buy lounge/EZ records is that first listen. I'm looking for
something that grabs me when I spin a disk the first time. Guess I'm a
novelty junkie. That's certainly why I buy lots of $2 disks at thrifts.
It's probably why I winnow through records ruthlessly. I have to really
like a record before it earns a lasting place in the Rancho Deluxe stereo
pit. In that way maybe I'm like you, Cheryl. Jill said that was true of
her. Maybe that's our typically feminine, practical hysteria in action. And
I've meant to tell you, Cheryl, the example you and Brian set with Space
Bop has prompted me to consider going for a show on a local inde station.
Nasty station politics always stop me in the end though. Still, a pragmatic
(?) drive to share my records with others keeps me reconsidering showtime.

What novelty binges have to do with hunting mammoths or gathering grubs or
sexuation is beyond me. Any thoughts? And anyone else out there buy cheapo
disks for that golden first listen?

Thanks for the space.
Mimi




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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:48:45 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Search engines can access this mailing list, damn!!

In a message dated 04/10/2000 8:50:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< For this your d..k really should be r....d off by a v......e, s..t on a
 country-lane in O..o and run over by a 12-ton p..-....k!
  >>

Nice image, Mo.

Keep up the good work making us Saxons look like kind and gentle souls.

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:52:22 PDT
From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Strange Truths

>as I was half-listening I noticed that the eerie
>background music for some of the tracks was from
>Attileo Mineo's Man in Space with Sounds.


Thats funny because the other day i was listening to a Rudy Ray Moore record
that I have and on one side as he is explaining his 69 reasons why he loves
women, or something like that, I noticed that the background music playing
was Martin Denny's Exotica.

Is this copyright infringement at its sexiest or what!?!?!

any Rudy Ray Moore fans out there? lets hear it!!!

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Strange Truths

I love that song - and have always hoped to find the
ST
(I think the NY neo-psych band The Fuzztones covered
it pretty well on one of The Battle of the Garages lps
on Voxx in the early 80s).

- --- Darrell Brogdon <[e-mail]> >
I'm 99% sure there's also music from Man in Space
> with Sounds in
 the pre-credits sequence of a movie called The Green
 Slime (love
> that title!).  The theme song has always been a sort
of guilty  pleasure, too.


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:57:53 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) women as collectors  Thanks! (Longer)

>We agreed, music nutdom is unusual for women--and that male music nuts tend to
>find women music nuts sexy because they're exceptions to the norm. Any
>comments on this one, men and women?

Well, if we are going to talk generally, here is a deep, dark secret.  By
and large, I tend to shun record collectors.  Some are very nice (hi,
everybody!), however, there are the ones that I used to meet in record
stores that aren't too balanced and I found quite a lot to be just nuts as
opposed to music nuts.  Some are like the Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons,
exclusionary and condescending.  Some just won't shut the heck up, which is
a drag when you work at a Tower Records as I did, some are just too danged
insistent (I went through that phase myself, "WHY don't you have any Little
Richard records!?").  Some have an agenda which they are more than willing
to share with you (did you know that a woman I met at Tower wanted to write
"Up the Irish" on a cake at a family gathering on St. Patrick's Day?"  Now
you do.)

As I said before, though (and you are reading a post from someone that rode
public transit for a long while) that isn't everybody.  Were I single,
would I find a female record collector with similar interests and a good
dollop of "sanity" (consider the source before you flame me on that!)
sexy?  Yes, but not because I dig records; I dig knowledge.  Ever since I
was five, I realized that I wanted to settle down with an intelligent woman
because it is a major factor in beauty.  Pretty is a trick of genetics and
perception, but beauty for me should include attraction but also patience,
wit, empathy and intelligence.  "Pretty" is easy for me to see, but while I
will say, "She's pretty" or "He's handsome", I reserve "beautiful".

...ESPECIALLY for my wife, one of the most beautiful people I know.  She is
so beautiful that while she doesn't have the deep love of music I have, I
am able to share the soem of the most obscure finds with her and she will
occasionally like it.  She also knows that when we travel, I like to do a
bit of record shopping and she factors that in.  She even goes to my shows,
sometimes!

Do I find that sexy?  You bet.  Rrrrrrrrr.

For me, I will see movies that she wants to see and travel with her,
because she looooooooooves to travel.

Blessed and knows it,
Brian Phillips





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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Strange Truths

Yessir! Bought his Xmas lp off EBay a few months back.
What about Blowfly? Andre Williams?

> any Rudy Ray Moore fans out there? lets hear it!!!
>
> -jonny


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:06:57 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: women as collectors

At 11:54 PM 4/9/00 -0400, Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr wrote:

>
>So I asked her, why do you think there tend to be more male record
collectors?
>
>3) Hoarding of factual trivia is more of a Guy Thing ("This is the
>same bass player who played on the first two Persuasive Percussion
>LPs!")

What's the difference between that and "This is the way Barbie looked
before she met Ken.  Oh and this is back when they thought nipples would be
a good idea.  That only lasted a year."
And for that matter, what's the difference between our trivia and the
trivial obsessions of women who've watched General Hospital for 20 years
and can remember this of that character and the plotline from 15 years ago?

I've heard the reasonable theory that men tolerate clutter more than women
but then again, A LOT of the collectors I've met have extremely neat
collections.
In my parents' generation, men had hobbies and hobby rooms while women had
the kitchen and the kids.  Maybe it's still a holdover.  Maybe things have
not "progressed" that much.

I can argue it on both sides. I think the reason, in previous generations,
that men were more record collectors had to do with the STEREO.  Like one
of the women I interviewed said "When a boy turned 13, his parents might
get him a record player  but they wouldn't get that for a girl.  They might
get her a typewriter.  'Here, why don't you be a secretary?'"
This woman was in her early forties.  I don't think that would be true
anymore.  I think girls are just as likely to get CD players etc now as boys.

There's the explanation that men use things to talk to each other about
emotions.  It's like the things are amulets or "discussion pieces".
Whereas women are actually capable of talking to each other about emotions
directly without needing to talk about objects as an avenue to express the
emotions.
I think there's some truth there.  But don't go to a Tupperware party
trying to prove that theory.

I still think it has more to do with obsession.  The ratio of women
stalkers to men is very low.  Same with serial killers but I don't think
that's relevant.

Nat



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:24:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) "Kaliedoscope" by DJ Food url

In a message dated 4/9/0 7:44:33 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>i was interested to check out the url DJJimmyBee gave for
>"Kaliedoscope" by DJ Food and "Descargas" by Los Samplers at
>http://www.freeheaven.com but all i got was a porno site ... was that
>intentional?

Absolutely not. I would NEVER!  But seriously, the URL was on the back of the
Los Samplers CD (also available on vinyl I think, but $3 more, or maybe that
was DJ Food). The group is from Chile. I went after I posted the URL and
wondered how long it would take to get busted..Next time I'll visit a URL
prior to posting..JB


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:32:50 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) women as collectors  Thanks! (Longer)

At 12:57 PM 4/10/00 -0400, Brian Phillips wrote:
>
>Well, if we are going to talk generally, here is a deep, dark secret.  By
>and large, I tend to shun record collectors.  Some are very nice (hi,
>everybody!), however, there are the ones that I used to meet in record
>stores that aren't too balanced and I found quite a lot to be just nuts as
>opposed to music nuts.

Well I don't want to revive a dead topic but in general, what you are
describing is a collector as opposed to an accumulator.  And I think most
of us here are accumulators (except that batty Brit who's a Galt McDermott
completist  OH Canaduh!)
I always feel guilty and a bit disingenuous making this distinction because
in my film, I sort of make fun of the first guy who introduced the idea to me.
But in general, the most annoying habits exhibited by record "nuts" are
those typically exhibited by the collectors.  It's like when I was at the
record show here recently and I'm going through this dealer's stuff and
finding a very eclectic mix of stuff for a few bucks each.  And up walks
this guy and sort of pushes by me or doesn't see me and he asks the dealer
"Do you have any KISS bootlegs?  How about KISS picture discs?  How about
KISS solo records?"  And when the guy finally convinces him that he has no
KISS items, the guy disappears in a puff of smoke without so much as a
goodbye or a thank you.
A casual survey I took of used record store clerks came up with a clear
majority for the proposal that the most annoying collectors by far are
Beatles collectors.  And I've experienced a bit of that myself.
The mono recording of "Can't buy me love" on such and such a label.  But
then you have to see if the actual label on the record has the dog facing
this way or that way.  Who gives a damn?  (I know there's no dog on Beatles
labels but there are other collectors of RCA stuff that do look at the
direction of the dog.)
I won't speculate on which came first - being crazy enough to be a
collector or being driven crazy (probably a short drive) by being a
collector.  But for my money, some guy looking for a version of a song he's
heard a thousand times and has a hundred copies of, has got to be more
annoying than another guy who is thrilled to finally find a copy of the
Three Suns "Movin and Groovin".

By the way, if we make this distinction between collectors and
accumulators, I did not mean any women collectors.  (Only accumulators).

And my favourite story of a completist is a guy I didn't meet who is trying
to collect everything on the Barry label.  Why?  His name is Barry.

Nat



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bayanihan Sings

Found this today, on Monitor Records (Stereo). I
haven't had time to go over it yet, but I believe
Bayanihan is a Phillpines native folk ensemble of the
early-mid 1960s. Vocals with gongs, bird calls, etc.,
and featuring soprano Eleanor A. Calibes on Nose Flute
Solo.


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:03:32 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Kaleidoscope" by DJ Food url

Check out:

www.ninjatune.net

It has realaudio samples of the DJ Food/Ken Nordine piece, along with
tons of other stuff.  No porn there, though :)

ciao,

cheryl


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:04:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bayanihan Sings (2)

Does it a bit more justice than my write-up:

http://www.pwu.edu/bayan.htm



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:47:38 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) men, women, art and music

Somehow this thread turns into a direction that I don't find very
appealing anymore. Women as collectors. That's just a very small detail
of the whole subject of women and art or women and music, as it started
in the beginning of this thread. Being reduced to the question wether
women collect more records or less than men is a bit weak. I mean, it is
clear that women do collect *something*: Teddy bears, dolls, shoes,
perfume mini bottles, to mention a few items. If any I'm more interested
in what women are actively interested in culture compared to men. This
would include conflict-loaden questions like why are there so much more
male artists than female. (With the possible answer that it was always
defined by men what art is)

I had started to point out some thoughts about this, but there were no
reactions. Was I too hard to understand? Was I too right to get any
disagreeing replies? Does my English sound funny? I don't know. Only Nat
was offering some theories on this wider subjects, from a psychological
point of view. I don't know if we want to discuss this here at all, as
it is not really related to the list's own premisses; so if you are
bothered let me know and I shut up forever and concentrate on living up
to my Wu-identity, the inscrutable drama queen.

As for Nat's psychological attempt I was not surprised that he
continuesly mentioned that it was somebody else's idea and he himself
didn't really know what to think of it. So do I.  Purely psychological
explanations always sound like I Ging or a horoscope or Tarot tellings.
You never can tell, why this and that should be the case. The reason is
that human beings like all living creatures are the result of a long
evolutionary process. The needs that have propelled this process have
always been the same, survival of the individual, survival of the race.
The brain that evolution developed, the mind of men and women, was a
tool fitting to these needs. It has been pointed out here already in an
earlier thread that the very existence of the fascination for Exotica,
that is for primitive art forms, is a reflection on this fact. The
primitive wild primate is still in us and very much alive, despite all
cultural attempts to tame it. So it is not very far-taken, to try to
find an explanation of the differences in the attitudes of men and women
towards arts in the historical differences that men and women had to go
through during the evolution of the human race. And that the
explanations of the psychological differences can also be found here.

One could argue that the obsession for art might be new in evolution and
that it sort of marks a development of the brain into a space of
freedom, but I doubt it very much. I don't think the ability to have fun
and enjoy can be created by living beings out of the void. It can only
be a sublimating reflection on basic primitive desires. This could be
discussed lengthily, but I just want to take it for granted here.

So how can we draw a picture of the different life circumstances of men
and women in a primitive society, or should I say during a time in
pre-history that is long enough to leave essential tracks in the
structure of our minds?

If we want to use the most simple standardizations, we'd say, men were
hunting and collecting, while women were raising children and doing
agriculture. I don't know if it was really that simple, but this picture
would bring a lot of amazing explanations. I guess if you let this image
become vivid in your own imagination, you will find a lot of parallels
to what you observe in everyday life. I mean, the record collecting
question would be answered so easily, too easy perhaps, one would almost
have to become suspicious. No, seriously. When men were huntiong in
groups they were talking very little, instead they would develop other
forms of communication, and they would watch and listen a lot. This
entire scenario explains so many things that I can still see in the
behaviour of men and women in modern society: Percieving acoustic
sensations in details, analizing what's behind an acoustic or visual
signal, these would be elemantary abilities to survive for a hunter.
Can't men watch television longer and more devotedly than women :-)

On the other hand: Women are the very subjects of society life. There is
much talking, with other women and with children. Women almost seem to
use their brains collectively with other women. It's a process of much
communication via language, this would for instance explain, why women
in arts are especially strong in anything that deals with words. But
they don't use or enjoy any of these communication forms alone, as for
itself; it's always seen as an element in society life. So as long as
music fulfills the needs of a given situation of the collective, it's
great, women just don't have the time for scientifical investigation of
the fine-structure of music with children around. They are not even
interested in what record is momentarily playing, they just tell the
responsible male to put on another one. And the man obeys, because he
thinks there might be a good reason for it in the social context that he
just ignored. The problems to be solved by a mother cannot be done by
machines. There is no machine that washes children or sings them into
sleep, it's all "live" communication action. I'm not saying that women
can't be scientists. I'm only talking of the elementary reasons for
"unnecessary" cultural obsessions, that obviously are quite different in
men and women. The things that you do voluntarily for fun have to be in
harmony with your natural desires.

I can only scratch a bit on the surface; this post is already getting
much too long. I hope I am simple enough to provoke some fuming
reactions. I know it's not that simple, but also I do believe we have to
look for the answer of the question of this subject- whichever it may
exactaly be - in the historic evolutionary differences between men and
women, genetically written into the minds and bodies of the genders. If
the reasons are evident and natural, there is no need to complain about
the percentage of women in this list. All that could be done is to
modify the subjects of discussion into a direction, that would allow
more women to participate full-heartedly with their natural obsessions
and their sense of fun without raping their own nature. I would surely
like it, as I never was a big fan of all-too-detailed lists of this and
that. I always liked the hyper-links of the Exotica discussions, I
thought that learning more about Exotica music would help me learn more
about myself, art and life in general. I must say, I really appreaciate
the differences of men and women, if they complete each other. I could
not imagine to live in a world without male artists, but also I would
not want live in a world, where society life would be dominated entirely
by men. I think, men and women are a great combination.

Mo



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