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exotica-digest         Monday, March 27 2000         Volume 02 : Number 665



In This Digest:

(exotica) Hit '70
(exotica) Re: Religious records
(exotica) An Obituary Blunder
(exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Records)
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music
Re: (exotica) Re: Religious records
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music
Re: (exotica) Flexidisk Tangent
(exotica) sex & drugs & rock&roll- Ian Dury r.i.p.
(exotica) Friendly Persuasion - Week of 03/27
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
(exotica) Excess
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
(exotica) Trivia! Who recorded this?
Re: (exotica) An Obituary Blunder
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
Re: (exotica) Re: Religious records
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record
Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 02:15:41 GMT
From: "Christiano Perrelli Randau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hit '70

Does anyone knows something about the Constanze/somerset
album "Hit '70 grosse starts grosse stars"? The orcherstal
credit goes to Udo Reichel.
I just love the first song "Heute so, morgen so" (Loose/Schmidt)
and would like to know who is the singer (and the drummer too).
Anyone knows the composers?

Every help is welcome.
Thanks,

C. P. Randau
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:17:28 -0500
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Religious records

Johan wrote:

> "Christmas with Marcy, sing with Marcy" is by far the most weird xmas lp i
> got. it's beyond funny, it's scary.
You mean to say it's weirder than Culturcide's "Depressed Christmas" b/w
"Santa Claus Was my Lover", sung (literally) over the tunes of White
Christmas & Billy Jean respectively.  I should perhaps take this back since
Culturcide surely intended to be weird but I'm not sure I could say the same
for Little Marcy!  At this rate I'm going to be the first to take Nat up on
the Little Marcy box set once he gets that CD burner!

Always on the lookout for weird Xmas records...





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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:18:05 -0500
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) An Obituary Blunder

I was announcing the tracks we were playing today during Space Bop and
mentioned not knowing what Curtis Mayfield was doing these days.  We then
received not one, not two, but three phone calls, all informing us he had
died at least a year ago! It was good to know we have listeners out there
and that they know their music but it was embarrassing to say the least...
If anyone wants yet another argument in support of Lou's continued obituary
posting this would be it.  Now I better make sure I read 'em!





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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:09:00 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Records)

B.J. Major wrote:

> I'm really uncomfortable about all this
> association linking addictive substances (especially alchohol and
> tobacco) with music.  It's one reason I really detest the word "lounge",
> "ultra lounge" et al. in describing what is in essence--simply good
> music.

I thought, a "lounge" is just a place to hang around. You don't HAVE to drink and
smoke. You can also EAT opium... :-)

>  Personally, I don't need to be drinking or smoking a cigarette to
> enjoy the pure pleasure of ANY music.
>
> I'm well aware that there have been in the past and continue to be many
> famous, good musicians who have used drugs and alcohol.  But the
> continued abuse over many years also killed some of them, too--it killed
> some famous musicians who are near and dear to my heart.

Sooner or later everybody is killed by something. A long life is not necessarily
a good life. It's everybody's own decision. You just cannot judge others for
taking - or NOT taking - any drugs. Don't forget, that all people are not the
same: many people simply cannot be happy in life without drugs. It's neither
their - nor "society's" - fault, it's simply bio-chemistry. So don't judge them
if they find at least some exstacy with the help of "drugs". They can do with
their life what they want as well as you can do with your life what you want.

>Painful to know that if it were *not* for that abuse,
>they'd still be among us, making music.  Making new albums, performing in
>concerts that we could attend and enjoy.

Well... besides that this is a very egocentrical way to see it, it is a pure
assumption. You take for granted that these artists would make interesting art
without their drug abuse. But that's very hard to tell. They might not have
become musicians in the first place or you might never have heard of them, let
alone have liked them. Are you sure you really would like to see a 60 years old
Jim Morrison performing a music completely uninfluenced by psychedelic drugs?
(Well... uh... of course you would! But it might be as enlightening as listening
to Celine Dion)

In my personal opinion however alcohol IS one of the heaviest and most unhealthy
drugs and only tradition and fear of change can explain why of all psychoactive
substances alcohol is legal, whereas taking a completely untoxic drug like LSD is
considered a major crime. BTW: When it was still legal for psychotherapists to
use LSD in sessions with their patients back in the 60s, they had a dramatically
high cure-rate of alcohol abuse of about 50%! It's so stupid that these hopeful
experiments were stopped by all governments.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:07:22 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music

In my personal opinion however alcohol IS one of the heaviest and most
unhealthy
drugs and only tradition and fear of change can explain why of all
psychoactive
substances alcohol is legal, whereas taking a completely untoxic drug like
LSD is
considered a major crime. BTW: When it was still legal for psychotherapists
to
use LSD in sessions with their patients back in the 60s, they had a
dramatically
high cure-rate of alcohol abuse of about 50%! It's so stupid that these
hopeful
experiments were stopped by all governments.



Mo, I think you're being a little naive here (and I'm probably about to be
a litttle naive too)

I personally believe the danger with any of these substances, in fact with
everything in life, is excess. Don't do anything excessively, and you'll be
fine.

B.J.,

Blaming drugs or alcohol for the deaths of musicians like Jim Morrison is
missing the point. The only thing that killed Jim Morrison was Jim
Morrison. There are plenty of people who drink and use drugs and I'm pretty
sure that they don't all die from it. Knee jerk reactions don't get anyone
very far.
Didn't Elvis die young of a heart attack through excessive food intake? Are
we all going to start condemning fatty foods?


Anyway, much more important is the fact that I've finally just found a quad
copy of The Most Beautiful Girls in the World by Berry Lipman. Only 30p
from a Central London charity shop with Thunderball, the Man from UNCLE &
Other Secret Agent Themes by J J Johnson, Mudell Lowe and others.

At last!

Charlie


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:58:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Religious records

Check out Andre Williams's Night Before Christmas on
Norton Records. Or Heino's Christmas lp.

- --- Brian Karasick <[e-mail]> wrote:

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:26:34 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music

Here's how Wm. Blake put it in "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell." Proverbs
selected for relevance. Mimi

A Memorable Fancy
   As I was walking among the fires of hell, delighted with the enjoyments
of Genius, which to Angels look like torment and insanity, I collected some
of their Proverbs; thinking that as the sayings used in a nation mark its
character, so the Proverbs of Hell show the nature of Infernal wisdom
better than any description of buildings or garments....

The Proverbs of Hell

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.
Prudence is a rich ugly old maid courted by Incapacity.
No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings.
If a fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.
Shame is Pride's cloak.
The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
You never know what is enough until you know what is more than enough.
Damn braces, Bless relaxes.
The crow wish'd every thing was black, the owl that every thing was white.
Exuberance is Beauty.
Improvement makes the strait road, but the crooked roads without
Improvement are roads to Genius.
Sooner murder an infant in its cradle than nurse unacted desires.

Enough! or Too much.







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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:53:33 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Flexidisk Tangent

>If you're speaking of the original Chipmunks, I think all of the voices
>were done by Ross Bagdasarian, i.e. David Seville.

That is correct.  They were named for three Liberty records
executives.  From the Both Sides Now site: "The Chipmunks were wryly named
for Liberty executives Alvin Bennett, Simon Waronker, and Theodore Keep."

I found that taking a 33 RPM recording of theirs and slowing it to 16 RPM
did the trick.  To my ears, not only was it Bagdasarian, but he didn't seem
to change his voice for of them.

When was "Christmas Boogie" (w/Canned Heat) issued?

Brian Phillips

P.S. I had a cover of the "Chipmunk Song" on Cricket Records.  I put it on
the player as a boy only to discover that the voices were not sped up, but
nasal and rather obnoxious.




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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:08:38 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) sex & drugs & rock&roll- Ian Dury r.i.p.

27 March 2000
English rock musician Ian Dury died today of cancer, age 57.
 Channel 4 TV news is announcing the death of singer/lyricist Ian
Dury today (27th March).

http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B17186
http://allmovie.com/cg/x.dll?p=avg&sql=BP|20796




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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:08:11 -0800
From: "Mr. Fodder" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Friendly Persuasion - Week of 03/27

The Friendly Persuasion Show  - Week of 03/27/00

Cool and Strange Music Magazine's weekly radio show on Antenna Internet
Radio.
http://www.antennaradio.com/punk/friendlypersuasion/index.htm

Get your RealAudio player ready and tune in anytime during this week to
hear:

1.  Bing Crosby (blooper)
2.  Gaston & Purcell - Mr. Handman
3.  The Shaggs - I Love
4.  Rod McKuen - The Beat Generation
5.  Danny Davis & Frank D'Amore - Charlton Heston Phone Call
6.  Bobby Lewis - Mumbles Blues
7.  Dean Martin / Jerry Lewis (blooper)
8.  Blarney Stein - Polka Like It's 1999
9.  Bombay The Hard Way - Swami Safari
10.  Brigitte Bardot - Contact
11.  Noel Harrison - A Young Girl
12.  Dirk and Stig (of The Rutles) - Mr. Sheene
13.  Barry Louis Polisar - I Eat Kids
14.  Helmut Zacharias and his Magic Violins - The Tipsy Piano
15.  The McGuire Sisters - Achoo-Cha-Cha
16.  Betsy Gay & The Toppers - Mutual Admiration Society
17.  Romper Room - Do Bee Song (Part II)
18.  Unknown - A Monkey That Wanted To Fly?
19.  Robin & Crystal Bernard - The Monkey Song
20.  Gaston & Purcell - Aba Daba Honeymoon
21.  Unknown - The Monkey Polka
22.  The Animaniacs - The Monkey Song
23.  Wild Man Fischer - Monkey versus Donkeys
24.  John Oswald - Fabulous (Dick Hyman)
25.  Skip Heller his Orchestra and Chorus - Take Your Clothes Off When You
Dance
26.  Booker T. & The M.G.'s - Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End


Thanks for listening!
     Chow,
          Otis

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 09:17:00 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music

Charles Moseley said:

>In my personal opinion however alcohol IS one of the heaviest and most
>unhealthy
>drugs and only tradition and fear of change can explain why of all
>psychoactive
>substances alcohol is legal, whereas taking a completely untoxic drug like
>LSD is
>considered a major crime.

After what I've personally witnessed, I just think it's better not to use
them at all (speaking only for myself, of course).  What you said in your
first paragraph above IS the truth--alcohol is one of the most toxic
substances one can ingest.  I think if more people actually *thought*
about that fact alone, maybe the "tradition" you speak of could begin to
be changed.  Until then, nothing will change.

>B.J.,
>
>Blaming drugs or alcohol for the deaths of musicians like Jim Morrison is
>missing the point. The only thing that killed Jim Morrison was Jim
>Morrison. There are plenty of people who drink and use drugs and I'm pretty
>sure that they don't all die from it. Knee jerk reactions don't get anyone
>very far.

You didn't read my original post on this thoroughly.  I squarely blamed
the abuse, not the people or the drugs/alchohol (and I never mentioned
Jim Morrison, btw).  My point of view on the whole subject is NOT a
knee-jerk reaction.  I had to decide a LONG time ago whether or not I was
going to use such things and I decided to keep them totally out of my
life.  I think that's a decision that everyone has to make for themselves.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:26:42 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music

[e-mail] wrote:

> When it was still legal for psychotherapists to use LSD in sessions with
> their patients back in the 60s, they had a dramatically high cure-rate of
> alcohol abuse of about 50%! It's so stupid that these hopefulexperiments
> were stopped by all governments.
>
> Mo, I think you're being a little naive here

uh... why exactely?

> Blaming drugs or alcohol for the deaths of musicians like Jim Morrison is
> missing the point. The only thing that killed Jim Morrison was Jim
> Morrison. There are plenty of people who drink and use drugs and I'm pretty
> sure that they don't all die from it.

well... it was YOU who said, that it's a pity that alcohol abuse killed so
many artists. I only suggested, that you probably can't seperate the music
that you love by these musicians from the little abuse "problem" they had. I'm
even sure that many are only legends because they died in time.

Mo



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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 09:36:59 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

>I thought, a "lounge" is just a place to hang around. You don't HAVE to
>drink and
>smoke.

No one goes to a lounge to drink a coke night after night.

>Well... besides that this is a very egocentrical way to see it, it is a pure
>assumption. You take for granted that these artists would make interesting
>art
>without their drug abuse.

It's no assumption AT ALL on my part.  In the case of one particular
artist, I've been told by two different people who were very close to
this artist that alchohol was most definitely used as a constant
"escape"; no one can make decent music staying drunk most of the time, so
let's be real about this, ok?  In addition to all the problems it caused
this artist including a premature death, a huge contract that would have
provided life-long income was also kissed goodbye because the drinking
totally controlled this person's life.  This was not "occasional" or
"moderate" use of a substance.  As I said in my original post, controlled
or moderate use simply is not possible with someone who has an addiction.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:55:50 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music

Just read the 3-4 posts on this topic of Charles, BJ and myself, and had
to smile of how we all mixed up who said what. Anyway. I think "drugs
and music" is a really interesting subject, especially when it comes to
the time when the generation of Psychedelia took the place of the
Exotica generation. I always thought that both basically wanted the
same, but drugs and politics created a generation gap that seperated
them, typical for a lot of things that happened in the 60s. But the
concept of Exotica IS one of phantasy dreams and paradise worlds. And
nothing else is the concept of psychedelic drugs, only that drugs like
LSD took you more directely and intensly to these worlds, or, to be more
precise, to your very own inner paradise-worlds, which exist wether you
have access to them or not. On the other hand exotica music is much more
elaborated, because it had to create the dream WITHOUT drugs; and that's
why it lasts longer and we like still like it so much. It brings me to
the only good argument against LSD I ever heard, by Anais Nin, who said,
that the problem with drugs, especially when you are an artist, is, that
you get what you want without a personal effort, you don't create
anymore, you only consume. But of course, if you use the drug only
sometimes on very special occasions, it gives you more than it takes.
Today the thing that fascinates me the most in contemporary music, are
attempts to bring exotica and psychedelia together, like sisters who
have been seperated by a meaningless war. "Tipsy" would be a good
example for this, but also some breakbeat and house stuff with exotica
related samples and sounds. It actually interests me more than the vague
Pop Nouveau concept and it seems the Pop Nouveau list has fallen into
Cinderella sleep meanwhile.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:09:34 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

B.J. Major wrote:

> >I thought, a "lounge" is just a place to hang around. You don't HAVE to
> >drink and smoke.
>
> No one goes to a lounge to drink a coke night after night.

Oh yes. I know many, but it's not interesting.

> >Well... besides that this is a very egocentrical way to see it, it is a pure
> >assumption. You take for granted that these artists would make interesting
> >art
> >without their drug abuse.
>
> It's no assumption AT ALL on my part.  In the case of one particular
> artist, I've been told by two different people who were very close to
> this artist that alchohol was most definitely used as a constant
> "escape"; no one can make decent music staying drunk most of the time, so
> let's be real about this, ok?

How do you imagine good art is created? Pain, paranoia, unhappiness, depression,
fears are and always were well-known compagnions to so many artists. And alcohol
and drugs have always been ways to escape.. It's a story as old as art. If you
find sober counter-examples, the better. But to survive as an artist in a
totally ignorant materialstic world isn't often so nice. And this is very real.

> In addition to all the problems it caused
> this artist including a premature death, a huge contract that would have
> provided life-long income was also kissed goodbye because the drinking
> totally controlled this person's life.  This was not "occasional" or
> "moderate" use of a substance.  As I said in my original post, controlled
> or moderate use simply is not possible with someone who has an addiction.

There is no moderate controlled abuse. If it was so easy to control, nobody
would have a problem with it. If you are depressed, you are looking for a way
out. If only for the moment. If you have a better idea to help someone in a
situation like that, you will soon be the most famous psychologist of all times!

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 10:11:12 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

>I thought, a "lounge" is just a place to hang around. You don't HAVE to
>drink and
>smoke.

It's common knowledge that people go to a lounge to drink.  Most people
today go there to get drunk--more to the point.  Not many people go to
lounges to order Cokes...

>Sooner or later everybody is killed by something.

That's a copout; sorry, but it is.  So everyone should just throw caution
to the winds and do whatever they want because we're all going to die
someday?!  Sheesh.

>A long life is not
>necessarily
>a good life. It's everybody's own decision. You just cannot judge others for
>taking - or NOT taking - any drugs.

Please reread my original post.  I did not judge for others.  I have
judged only for myself.  However, I think I have the right to be sad
about the fact that certain musicians I happen to love are no longer with
us squarely because of their abuse problems.

>Well... besides that this is a very egocentrical way to see it, it is a pure
>assumption.

No it's not assumption in the least.  Someone's musical talent and gifts
do not depend on drugs or alchohol.  You are either born with a talent
for making music, or you're not.  Drugs and alchohol do not give anyone
the "gift" of music.  In most cases, drugs and alchohol are used as an
escape to get one away from one's problems.  At least, that's the lie
they believe.  After the effect wears off, the problems are still there.
The people I'm thinking of in particular *definitely* abused alchohol for
this very reason.  There were things in their life they didn't know how
to deal with and instead of seeking help, they chose to stay drunk most
of the time.  It cost them




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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:20:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Excess

I have finally acquired enough shelving to pull my lps
out of hiding. Having done so I have noticed not only
a sort of spiritual progress in my easy listening
procurements, but many doubles, triples... anyone
interested in swapping, I will exchange lists. My
doubles include F&T pp lps, Denny, Lyman, Baxter,
moog, Yma Sumac, Eartha Kitt, Kraftwerk, Lambert,
Hendricks & Ross, Dick Dale, Duane Eddy, Ventures,
Bond & other STs, Mundell Lowe, Schifrin...). Don't
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 10:22:27 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

>> In addition to all the problems it caused
>> this artist including a premature death, a huge contract that would have
>> provided life-long income was also kissed goodbye because the drinking
>> totally controlled this person's life.  This was not "occasional" or
>> "moderate" use of a substance.  As I said in my original post, controlled
>> or moderate use simply is not possible with someone who has an addiction.
>
>There is no moderate controlled abuse.

I never said there was.

>If you are depressed, you are looking for a way
>out. If only for the moment. If you have a better idea to help someone in a
>situation like that, you will soon be the most famous psychologist of all
>times!

I can't help but feel badly when someone thinks that the only way "out"
of a situation is to escape with abusive substances.  It's NOT the only
answer, everyone knows that.  All it does is cover up/mask what's really
the problem(s).  The answer is to get help--whether that means checking
yourself in with a counselor, psychiatrist, whoever, just get the help
needed.

Regards,
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:20:59 PST
From: "Albert Fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Trivia! Who recorded this?

Hello,
  A friend sent me the following email. Please let me know if you can
identify the song/artist.


""Jim and I heard it on a latino radio station the other day, during a
program of !Classicos Rrrrrrromanticos!  (There is no response at the phone
number they gave for this all-request hour.)  They played two songs in a row
that sounded like it might be the same chick band, maybe from the '50's or
'60's.  Very trippy and slow, sounded like the TeleTubbies, or like Girl
From
Impanema on quaaludes.  The refrain from the second song was, "El muchacho
con
los ojos tristes..."

Jim wants this music, as the ultimate in summer driving by-the-Jersey-Shore
music.""

Thanks Heaps. A. Fish



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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:56:18 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) An Obituary Blunder

At 11:18 PM 3/26/00 -0500, Brian Karasick wrote:
>
>I was announcing the tracks we were playing today during Space Bop and
>mentioned not knowing what Curtis Mayfield was doing these days.  We then
>received not one, not two, but three phone calls, all informing us he had
>died at least a year ago!

It was considerably less than a year ago.  In fact it happened in the last
few months.  As you know, there's a sort of tribute to Curtis in my film
and my titles weren't finished yet anyway so I added him to the "in memory
of" list.
But I felt a bit weird to do it because by all rights, the credits should
have been finished a long time ago, given that the film was finished before
the summer and he was alive at that time.

BTW, I have to thank Lou for one of the "in memory of"'s in my film.
Just as I was finishing the film, I read the obituary here for Waldo
Sermon, the guy who invented "vinyl" but who I had never heard of.  It
seemed appropriate that I should pay tribute to the guy who invented the
thing which my film was named for.

Anyway, Curtis is dead and according to last night's excruciating Oscars,
so is Jim Varney.  I think I knew that but obviously it was too painful so
I repressed it.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:56:20 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

At 09:36 AM 3/27/00 -0800, B.J. Major wrote:
>
>  In the case of one particular
>artist, I've been told by two different people who were very close to
>this artist that alchohol was most definitely used as a constant
>"escape"; no one can make decent music staying drunk most of the time, so
>let's be real about this, ok?

Good idea.  Let's be real.  And let's look at the whole person.

They made music AND they "escaped" through drugs.  You seem to be saying
that they could have done one thing and not the other.  And I suppose that
technically speaking, they could have.
But they're connected.
And you don't have to fall back on romantic cliches about the artist and
the concept of "escapism" in order to see it.
You just have to be real about it, like you suggested.

I believe everyone needs an escape and everyone finds ways to do it.

There's a lot more you could say on the subject but I'm not sure what the
point was to begin with.
It's sad when people die.
It can be sad in a different way when they live.

In the case of certain musicians, I'm just glad they lived long enough to
make a little music I loved.  And I'm sad for their friends and family when
they die.  But I'm actually a lot sadder when they die in plane crashes or
assassinations.  When they die of drugs or alcohol, I take a more
fatalistic approach.
It's sort of like Jesus.
They were sent here for a short time with a message.
They weren't sent here to someday achieve lifetime achievement awards,
twenty to thirty years past the last time they did any good work.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:00:55 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Religious records

At 11:17 PM 3/26/00 -0500, Brian Karasick wrote:
>
>Johan wrote:
>
>> "Christmas with Marcy, sing with Marcy" is by far the most weird xmas lp i
>> got. it's beyond funny, it's scary.
>You mean to say it's weirder than Culturcide's "Depressed Christmas" b/w
>"Santa Claus Was my Lover", sung (literally) over the tunes of White
>Christmas & Billy Jean respectively.
> I should perhaps take this back since
>Culturcide surely intended to be weird but I'm not sure I could say the same
>for Little Marcy!

I don't have the Xmas Marcy but I think I saw it in that period where I
absolutely refused to buy ANY Xmas LP's no matter how much I wanted them.
Oh well, who knew I'd someday become a Marcyphile.
And I can't imagine anyone doing anything weird on purpose and being as
weird as Marcy.

>At this rate I'm going to be the first to take Nat up on
>the Little Marcy box set once he gets that CD burner!

It's hard to believe after all my dreams of digital archiving, that it's
going to be Little Marcy that pushes me into it.

But while I'm here, let me ask this question again.
In order to get a CD burner, I would first have to get a new computer.  And
if I get a new computer, I need to get one powerful enough to do video
editing - or even that "firewire" thing - so that means that I have to
spend close to two grand before I get the CD burner.  And i don't have two
grand right now.
And then there's the fact that I'm not sure I want to have wires going from
room to room and it seems hard to imagine doing something in two rooms at
the same time.
So I was thinking of getting a minidisc recorder NOW and it would be part
of my stereo system and then I could start archiving right away for less
than five hundred bucks, I think.

Can someone tell me if this is stupid?  Should I just save the five hundred
bucks and wait till I can afford everything?

Or wouldn't it be better to someday go from minidisc to CD burner rather
than directly from the turntable to the computer?

Little Marcy fans need this answer as much as I do.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:25:46 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

At 10:11 AM 3/27/00 -0800, B.J. Major wrote:
>
>.  Someone's musical talent and gifts
>do not depend on drugs or alchohol.  You are either born with a talent
>for making music, or you're not.  Drugs and alchohol do not give anyone
>the "gift" of music.

That's not true.
Making music - or any art - involves a decision on the part of the
individual to actually try and express something.
It's not simply a response to realizing "Oh look.  I have talent".
Lots of people with talent do nothing to express it.  And lots of people
without much natural talent develop just enough craft to be able to express
themselves.
Most of the time, I avoid talking about "talent" at all.
But even if it has some meaning and relevance, it's still much more
significant HOW someone chooses to express themselves and WHAT they choose
to express.
Kenny G. is very talented.  So is Celine Dion.  So is Marvin Hamlisch.
But they choose to express their talent in ways that convey nothing to me.
It's not about life.  All they're expressing is "Look everyone.  I have
talent".

What someone chooses to express and how they choose to express it is
connected to their whole person and their life and their feelings.  You
can't separate their drug use - or any number of other self-destructive
habits - from all that.  It's in their very character.  You can't have one
without the other.
It's like asking an actor "Can't you just have a little less ego?"

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 13:28:19 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

>What someone chooses to express and how they choose to express it is
>connected to their whole person and their life and their feelings.  You
>can't separate their drug use - or any number of other self-destructive
>habits - from all that.  It's in their very character.  You can't have one
>without the other.
>It's like asking an actor "Can't you just have a little less ego?"

My last reply on this entire subject:  I know some musicians and some
actors who are not egomaniacs.  Yes, it's really possible for such a
species of person to exist--believe it or not.

To put a totally different spin on this entire thing, one I'm SURE
everyone on this list can relate to:  without having to worry about
having money for buying booze and drugs, I have more to spend on records
and CDs.  If you don't want to acknowledge the better health benefits
from not using chemicals, at least understand that there are other,
tangible benefits as well!

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 13:28:13 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Record

>They made music AND they "escaped" through drugs.  You seem to be saying
>that they could have done one thing and not the other.  And I suppose that
>technically speaking, they could have.
>But they're connected.

Sorry, I don't think they are connected.  Someone is *born* with musical
talent.  Talent they can express and use later on with or without the aid
of harmful chemicals.

>I believe everyone needs an escape and everyone finds ways to do it.

I would think that throwing yourself into the music you are creating
would be "escape-ism" enough.  When I'm listening to music, I don't need
the aid of anything else in order to enjoy it.  That's been my only point
from the beginning.

>In the case of certain musicians, I'm just glad they lived long enough to
>make a little music I loved.  And I'm sad for their friends and family when
>they die.  But I'm actually a lot sadder when they die in plane crashes or
>assassinations.

Actually, it's the plane/car crashes or assassinations over which they
would have NO control, and those would be the ones that suffer the
fatalistic ends to life.   You have control over your body and what you
put in it.  You have a choice whether to "insult" it with chemicals or
not.  Even people who are addicted can get help.  But they have to *want*
the help in order for it to do any good.  The point is, there is always a
choice that can be made for this.  Choices that don't exist when someone
dies in a way that is out of their control.

- --bj
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