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exotica-digest        Monday, February 7 2000        Volume 02 : Number 619



In This Digest:

(exotica) Friendly Persuasion Radio Show - Week of 02/07/00
(exotica) these are the breaks
(exotica) Lee Hazlewood again
(exotica) Re: MP3 for Mac??
(exotica) the poetic cockroach on a typewriter
(exotica) recent mancini RCA/BMG Spain reissues
Re: (exotica) the poetic cockroach on a typewriter
(exotica) [obits]Joachim-Ernst Berendt,Doris Kenner-Jackson,Claude Autant-Lara,John Vincent Imbragulio,Todd Karns
Re: (exotica) these are the breaks
(exotica) I love Australians,Mandingo and Quad
(exotica) RE: Re: Breakbeat!
Re: (exotica) recent mancini RCA/BMG Spain reissues
(exotica) Body Art at AMNH
(exotica) Breakbeats (the saga continues...)
Re: (exotica) recent mancini RCA/BMG Spain reissues
Re: (exotica) Lee Hazlewood again
Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, February 6
Re:  (exotica) these are the 45 breaks
Re: (exotica) I love Australians,Mandingo and Quad
Re: (exotica) Breakbeats (the saga continues...)
Re:  Re: (exotica) Breakbeat!
Re: (exotica) Breakbeats (the saga continues...)
(exotica) more burnin CD questions
Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions
Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions
(exotica) Many thanks for musicblvd.com info!! (OT)
RE: (exotica) the poetic cockroach on a typewriter
Re: (exotica) Breakbeat! Apache
Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, February 6
Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions
Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions

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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:25:31 -0800
From: "mofo2148" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Friendly Persuasion Radio Show - Week of 02/07/00

Week of 02/07/00

The Friendly Persuasion Show

Cool and Strange Music Magazine's weekly radio show on Antenna
Internet Radio.
http://www.antennaradio.com/punk/friendlypersuasion/index.htm

Get your RealAudio player ready and tune in anytime during this week
to hear:

1.  Benito Urghu - Sexy Fonni
2.  Vijaya Anano - I am the Emperor
3.  Joe Pesci - Got To Get You Into My Life
4.  The Templeton Twins & Teddy Turner's Bunsen Burners - Hey Jude
5.  Al Gilbert & Chorus - Tomorrow
6.  Miss Nelson & Bruce - Abracadabra
7.  Kali Bahlu - Cosmic Rememberance
8.  Screamin' Jay Hawkins - Hong Kong
9.  Petula Clark - Coke Commercial
10. Shut Up Little Man - Introducing Peter
11. Henry Mancini - Springtime For Hitler
12. Shut Up Little Man - You Don't Have Friends
13. The Road Runner - The Long and Winding Road
14. Ken DeFeudis - Lover Without a Cause
15. Georgie Young & The Rockin' Bocs - Yogi
16. The Flintstones for Winston Cigarettes
17. Andy Griffith - The Whistling Ping Pong Game
18. Mrs. Grossman (and Marty) - Hunt and Peck
19. The Six Philharmonicas - Powerhouse
20. Alvino Rey and "Stringy" - Sleepytown Train
21. 101 Strings - Whiplash
22. Miss Nelson & Bruce - Funky Little Song
23-26. More "Shut Up Little Man"


Thanks for listening,

Otis

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:40:20 -0000
From: Reader Geoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) these are the breaks

Special DJ price, mate.
When that Moloko thing came out last summer,  admittedly as a double pack
12" single, it was going for 10 UK Pounds.  and still flying out of the
racks.  (Br Cleve didn't mention it but the other thing about these shops is
that the only stuff being bought comes from the racks behind the counter).

El Maestro Con Queso

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> Fortunately, turntables are provided
>for previewing records (in vinyl-only shops selling electronica)

I had my first experience the other day here in Boston.
<snip>
The SINGLE record cost me over 10 bucks. I guess that's the price for the
listening privilege....JB





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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:30:58 -0000
From: Reader Geoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lee Hazlewood again

Saw a review of another Smells Like... re-release of a Lee Hazlewood LP,
This time '13', reviewed in last Fridays guardian.  Sounds wonderful from
the article.  It seems that these things are published a few weeks before
the LP actually surfaces.  Does anyone have any details on this,  release
date,  formats (esp Vinyl)?

Thanks fer ye help


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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:46:02 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: MP3 for Mac??

to play MP3: soundApp is completely free, and plays/converts just about any
sound format in existence:
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~franke/SoundApp/

to grab audio from CD, you can use several free extracting utilities, like
GrabAudio or CDToAIFF, or QuickTime's MoviePlayer/ QuickTime Player .

to code the MP3's, you can try the Shareware MPEGGER (FORMERLY MPECKER ENCODER)
http://2.digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin2/flo?x=doKmoEEEEwEoBYum

        Johan

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:53:31 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) the poetic cockroach on a typewriter

some of you might have swapped tapes with a guy who calls himself the
"Underground culture Vulture". i did, and was disappoited by the lack of
track lists. even more when he refused to tell me the origin of a specific
track: a crime jazzy piece about a poetic cockroach that writes on a
typewriter. anyone recognises this decription?

johan




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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:20:19 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) recent mancini RCA/BMG Spain reissues

just bought "two for the road" and "our man in hollywood", 2 recent mancini
reissues on RCA/BMG Spain. "two for the road" is not bad, but not as good
as i hoped either: a couple of stand-out tracks, but also 3 slimey tracks
that are too eazzzzzzzzzzy for me.

"our man in hollywood" was a nice surprise, with only one so-so track, and
several very good ones, in his typical sixties "Uniquely Mancini" sound:
lush, but still with a nice groove.

i didn't go for "high time". anyone can recommend that one?

johan





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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:10:06 -0000
From: "James at The Details" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the poetic cockroach on a typewriter

>a crime jazzy piece about a poetic cockroach that writes on a
>typewriter. anyone recognises this decription

Sounds like it's something to do with the story "archie and mehitabel" by
Don Marquis - a story about a cat, written by a cockroach typist

James




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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:25:22 -0500
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Subject: (exotica) [obits]Joachim-Ernst Berendt,Doris Kenner-Jackson,Claude Autant-Lara,John Vincent Imbragulio,Todd Karns

Friday February 4 11:24 AM ET

German Jazz Advocate Berendt Dies

HAMBURG, Germany (AP) - Joachim-Ernst Berendt, known as the ``Pope of
Jazz'' for his leading role promoting the American-rooted music in
Germany, died Friday, a day after he was hit by a car. He was 77.

A spokeswoman at the University Clinic in Hamburg confirmed that Berendt
had died Friday morning.

Berendt was critically injured when he was struck Thursday evening as he
was walking to an event to promote his new book ``Nur Gehen,'' or ``Only
Walking,'' his version of experiences with nature, said a spokesman for
the music department at Suedwestrundfunk radio in Baden-Baden.
Berendt co-founded the radio station, and led more that 10,000
broadcasts featuring the music he loved.

He was the author of a number of works on jazz, including ``The Jazz
Book,'' published in 1952, ``Variations of Jazz,'' in 1956, and ``I
Hear, Therefore I Exist,'' in 1996. ``The Jazz Book'' was translated
into 18 languages and sold more than 1.5 million copies worldwide.

Berendt regularly toured the United States, Japan and other countries
promoting jazz. He produced some 250 long-play records for such
companies as MPS, Atlantic and Electrola. A poll conducted in 1970 by
the American-based music publication ``Jazz and Pop'' voted him Europe's
best jazz producer.

He is survived by his wife Marijan. Funeral plans were not complete.
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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Doris Kenner-Jackson of the pop-rock
group the Shirelles, whose soaring harmonies on ``Soldier Boy'' and
a number of other songs brought huge success in the early 1960s,
died Friday. She was 58.
    Jackson, who had breast cancer, died at Kaiser Permanente
Medical Center, her cousin Evelyn Jackson said from her home in
Goldsboro, N.C.
    The Shirelles, composed of Jackson, Shirley Alston Reeves,
Beverly Lee and the late Addie ``Micki'' Harris, began their career
at a high school talent show in Passaic, N.J., in 1957, singing
their own composition, ``I Met Him on Sunday.''
    A classmate who heard them told her mother, independent record
producer Florence Greenberg, who helped them record the song the
following year.
    Aided by legendary producer Phil Specter, they turned out a
string of hits through the early '60s, including ``Tonight's The
Night,'' ``Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow,'' ``Soldier Boy,''
``Baby It's You,'' and ``Dedicated to the One I Love,'' the latter
featuring Jackson on lead vocal.
    Their songs, like those of several other popular ``girl groups''
of the early '60s including Specter's Ronettes, were notable for
their tight harmonies, bouncy upbeat lyrics and lush musical
arrangements known as Specter's ``Wall of Sound.''
    Jackson, who was born in North Carolina, moved to New Jersey as
a child, where she sang in church and with friends.
    After their early success with ``I Met Him on Sunday,'' all four
of the group dropped out of high school to pursue their musical
careers, each earning diplomas later.
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    NICE, France (AP) -- Claude Autant-Lara, the French director
known for his caustic jabs at bourgeois society and his right-wing
political stances late in life, died early Saturday in a clinic in
Antibes, a funeral home said. He was 98.
    One of France's most prolific directors, Autant-Lara directed
more than 30 films, many of them classics of 1940s and 1950s French
cinema.
    His career reached its height in the 1950s with films such as
``Le Diable au Corps,'' or ``Devil in the Flesh,'' which
scandalized France with its account of a schoolboy's affair with a
woman whose husband was away at war.
    Many attacked the film, calling it pro-adultery and antifamily,
but Autant-Lara had already found his voice as a provocateur.
    Born in 1901 to an architect father and an actress mother,
Autant-Lara discovered the cinema while studying at France's
prestigious School of Fine Arts. He made his first short films in
the 1920s before heading to Hollywood in the 1930s to supervise the
French versions of Buster Keaton films, among others.
    Some of his best-known works include ``Le Rouge et le Noir,'' or
``The Red and the Black,'' based on Stendahl's novel, and ``La
Traversee de Paris,'' or ``Four Bags Full,'' an account of two men
stealthily crossing Paris at night during the German occupation.
    Other films include ``Le Comte de Monte Christo,'' and ``En Cas
de Malheur,'' or ``Love is My Profession,'' with Brigitte Bardot
and Jean Gabin.
    Autant-Lara was not popular with New Wave filmmakers such as
Francois Truffaut, who criticized his films as outdated and scorned
his reliance on the dialogue and plots of his screenwriters.
    By the 1970s Autant-Lara's career was in decline, and his last
film, ``Gloria,'' was largely ignored by critics.
    The filmmaker took the spotlight again during the 1980s when he
came out in support of far-right politician Jean-Marie Le Pen.
    Autant-Lara himself was elected to the European Parliament in
1989 as a member of the far-right National Front, though he soon
resigned after the monthly magazine ``Globe'' quoted him as saying
a French politician who survived a concentration camp had been
``missed'' by the Nazis.
    Autant-Lara, who spent much of his later life in the South of
France, died after a long illness, the funeral home said. His
funeral will be held privately at his family's request.
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    JACKSON, Miss. (AP) -- John Vincent Imbragulio, who produced the
classic rock 'n' roll single ``Sea Cruise'' and others during his
half century in the music business, died Friday of heart failure.
He was 74.
    Imbragulio owned Ace Records, Ace Music Publishers and Avanti
Records, his latest venture.
    Imbragulio's first record label got him noticed in the 1950s by
Art Rupe of Speciality Records. From there, he would work with Rupe
and soon after make Ace Records his next label.
    ``Ace Record Co. was New Orleans' only independent record
company at the time,'' said close friend Woody Sistrunk. ``It was
with Ace Records that he produced Huey 'Piano' Smith's 'Rockin'
Pneumonia' and the 'Boogie Woogie Flu' and later, Frankie Ford's
'Sea Cruise,' which has remained one of the most requested rock 'n'
roll songs of all time.''
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                            *Todd Karns
    AJIJIC, Mexico (AP) -- Todd Karns, who made his biggest mark on
the movies with a defining line in ``It's a Wonderful Life'' as the
older brother of Jimmy Stewart's George Bailey, died Saturday. He
was 79 and had cancer.
    Karns played Harry Bailey, who in the Christmas classic's final
scene made the memorable toast, ``To my big brother, George. The
richest man in town!''
    Karns appeared in many movies and television shows in the 1940s
and '50s, including ``The Caine Mutiny,'' ``China Venture,'' ``My
Foolish Heart'' and two films from the Andy Hardy series.
    He also appeared in the TV series ``Rocky King, Detective''
alongside his father, Roscoe Karns, whose acting career extended
from the mid-1910s to the 1960s.
    Karns, like his best-known movie character, was also a World War
II veteran.
    Karns and his wife moved to Ajijic, Mexico in 1971, located on
Lake Chapala, south of Guadalajara. They opened the Lakeside Little
Theater, an English-language theater where Karns produced and
directed for three decades.
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:30:04 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) these are the breaks

> no, that's just what they cost now. Import 12" singles are 10 bucks, US 12"
> singles are $6 or $7. The prices are comparable if you are buying them in
> New York or Paris, it doesn't matter. Don't forget, CD's are 17 bucks in
> the US (about 25 or 30 equivalent in Europe, about 30 to 35 in Japan;
> what's a new CD go for in Canada now.....Brian, Nat, Cheryl, Will?)

We in Canada seem to be pretty fortunate - a new CD here goes for around
$18 or $20 CDN or less, as a rule.(which is well under $14 US)  French
import CDs tend to cost close to the same price as domestic CDs in
Montreal, which is nice, although UK imports are pretty exorbitant...

I'm still trying to figure out why a German or French import CD will
cost much less here for the same CD than it does in Germany or France -
often as little as half as much!  Why are CD prices in Europe so
exorbitant?  Can anyone elighten me on this one?

cheryl


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:36:09 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) I love Australians,Mandingo and Quad

Someone (Peter) just sent me an EMI Australia digitally remastered CD of
Mandingo's, "The Primeval Rhythm of Life".

The CD makes special note to mention that it was remixed in 1995 from the EMI
Sydney 1/4" Abbey Road Masters.  The thing that impressed me most is that the
liner notes mention that during the remastering they went out of their way to
preserve the SQ Quadraphonic matrix, so you can play the CD through a quad
decoder and it will play back Quad.  I knew it could be done, but this is the
first time I've seen it done and actually mentioned as a selling feature on
the CD.  By the way, the CD sounds great just in stereo, I can't wait to
track down a SQ decoder.

Has anyone else seen CDs that mention the fact that they were remastered from
quad originals and that the quad information in the recording is left intact?

- -Roy


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:00:44 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) RE: Re: Breakbeat!

Concerning the definition of breakbeat...

It probably has multiple meanings as I remember it being used to describe a
certain kind of tecno/house music too.. however..

I think the most correct term for breakbeat is a song whos beat has been
sampled to make another song...  good example that exotica fans might be
familiar with is the Incredible Bongo Band..  there song Apache was used
long ago in the Grandmaster Flash tune Apache and the big crazy drum and
bongo beat has been used ever since in dozens of hip hop songs.  Another of
their songs makes up the beat to the Beastie Boys "Loooking Down the Barrel
of a Gun".  There are a few Turtles songs like Buzzsaw and I'm Chief
Kamanawanalea  that have been used a lot.

There are a lot of great compilations out there which may have started this
thread such as the 'digging in the crates' series which features 10 old
tracks which range from exotica to soul which contain breakbeats that have
been used in hip-hop tracks.  It's fun to recognize the breakbeat used but
even when I don't the music is usually very good.  I've seen Les Baxter and
other exotica names on the Digging in the Crates compilations.


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 00 08:12:41 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) recent mancini RCA/BMG Spain reissues

>just bought "two for the road" and "our man in hollywood", 2 recent mancini
>reissues on RCA/BMG Spain. "two for the road" is not bad, but not as good
>as i hoped either: a couple of stand-out tracks, but also 3 slimey tracks
>that are too eazzzzzzzzzzy for me.
>
>"our man in hollywood" was a nice surprise, with only one so-so track, and
>several very good ones, in his typical sixties "Uniquely Mancini" sound:
>lush, but still with a nice groove.

If you like "Our Man In Hollywood", you would probably also like
"Combo!", "Uniquely Mancini", "Mancini '67", "The Blues and The Beat" and
other ones like this that feature his big band sound and excellent
arrangements.

>i didn't go for "high time". anyone can recommend that one?

I've got it, although be advised that's not one of the nine just released
in January by BMG/Spain.  It's been out for a little while.  The jewel
case insert in the back cover has a few typos on it ("The Nuty Professor"
instead of "The Nutty Professor", etc.)  The disc also has some
non-Mancini material on it that was used in the film (noteably Sammy
Cahn's "The Second Time Around").

Regards,
- --bj
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:42:49 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Body Art at AMNH

http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/bodyart/

Body Art: Marks of Identity is a new exhibition at the
American Museum of Natural History exploring the
ways in which human beings around the world, past
and present, decorate their bodies. Celebrating both
cultural invention and individual artistry, Body Art:
Marks of Identity presents over 600 objects and many
images from around the world dating from c. 3000 B.C.
to the present, including superb sculptures, paintings,
contemporary and historical photographs, rare books,
engravings, and films. The exhibition
examines the historical and cultural significance
behind ancient and modern body art practices
including tattooing, piercing, body painting, body
reshaping, henna, and scarification.




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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:04:49 -0800
From: "mofo2148" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Breakbeats (the saga continues...)

BREAKBEATS...

In the early 80's I used to buy "BREAKBEAT" records which would have
oh, maybe 10 cuts on each record.  Each piece would be a 2-8 bar loop
repeating (USUALLY NOT CHANGING UP).  For example... using the first
bar of APACHE or FUNKY DRUMMER or COLD SWEAT or IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT
or DANCE TO THE DRUMMERS BEAT and having it loop over and over (for
about 3 minutes!).  This made it easy (when you had 3 tables running
to let the beat play on the 3rd table and cut on 1 table and mix on
the other.  Or they were great to just put on and play while an MC
flowed over the beat. or to get two copies and do double ups.

I still have 2 copies of all my 80's 'Breakbeat' records.  The most
famous of these in the 80's was the "Beats Breaks & Scratches" series
by Simon Harris... (or actually these were the most 'commercial'). My
favorites (still to this day are the records that were put out by "The
45 King".  Then you had lame ones like Cameron Paul's series (ugh..)

These breakbeat records also did not always have to be a "percussion
loop"... they could incorporate rhythms also.  Gradually towards the
late 80's "Breakbeat" records tended to have more change-up's in the
cuts (like Coldcuts' breakbeat series or the excellent series, DJ
FOOD).  Basically "Breakbeat" is NOT new at all... it has just evolved
from the early 80's Breakbeat records.  And those early 80's Breakbeat
records evolved from... and they evolved from... and they evolved
from... etc....

It's funny... but Simon Harris actually re-issued some of those early
breakbeat records on CD now!  I still can't imagine using them on CD
though... how to you break the beat down or cut with it?  Believe
me... I hate the effect of cutting on a pro mix cd player... ugh...

hope this all helps.

- -- Otis


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:13:15 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) recent mancini RCA/BMG Spain reissues

At 8:20 AM -0500 2/7/00, Johan Dada Vis wrote:

>i didn't go for "high time". anyone can recommend that one?

not one of his better efforts, imho

br cleve


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:41:42 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lee Hazlewood again

Reader Geoff wrote:

> Saw a review of another Smells Like... re-release of a Lee Hazlewood LP,
> This time '13', reviewed in last Fridays guardian.  Sounds wonderful from
> the article.  It seems that these things are published a few weeks before
> the LP actually surfaces.  Does anyone have any details on this,  release
> date,  formats (esp Vinyl)?

It's out already. I saw the vinyl copy in my record shop, but didn't buy it,
because I have most of the songs on CD already.

Mo



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:41:41 +0100
From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, February 6

Moritz R wrote:

> > > Andreas Dorau & Moritz R:  Der letzte Popsong  "Poptics"
> >
> > Mo, what's this??
>
> It's what it says: The last pop song of the 20th century. And we wrote it.

Did you only do this one song together, or did you do a whole CD?

Marco

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:40:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) these are the 45 breaks

In a message dated 2/6/0 9:54:31 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>new
>45's are 4 or 5 dollars,

I guess that partly explains my Soul Record Detective Eddie "B"s shocked
reaction to seeing the group Big Jim's Border Crossing's 1973 failure called
"Good For Me Girl" listed in Discoveries for $150.00. (He knows the listing
guy and remembers GIVING him the record in 1980) Sorry if this is off
subject, but this list seems to like this sort of info, or at least I do! ...
DJJB


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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:39:35 +1100
From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) I love Australians,Mandingo and Quad

on 8/2/00 2:36 AM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Someone (Peter) just sent me an EMI Australia digitally remastered CD of
> Mandingo's, "The Primeval Rhythm of Life".
>
This cd was selling in Melbourne discounted to about $5.00 Australian
dollars (about $3.00 US) last year. It certainly does sound great.

Philip



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:26:41 +0000
From: M H Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Breakbeats (the saga continues...)

mofo2148 wrote:
>
> BREAKBEATS...
>
> In the early 80's I used to buy "BREAKBEAT" records which would have
> oh, maybe 10 cuts on each record.  Each piece would be a 2-8 bar loop
> repeating (USUALLY NOT CHANGING UP).  For example... using the first
> bar of APACHE or FUNKY DRUMMER or COLD SWEAT or IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT
> or DANCE TO THE DRUMMERS BEAT and having it loop over and over (for
> about 3 minutes!).  This made it easy (when you had 3 tables running
> to let the beat play on the 3rd table and cut on 1 table and mix on
> the other.  Or they were great to just put on and play while an MC
> flowed over the beat. or to get two copies and do double ups.

I guess with the decline in DJing in Hip hop (along with breakdancing
and graffiti, leaving the MCs as the stars) breaks records have a
smaller market. The exponents seem to have moved towards 'turntablism'
and fancy scratching rather than cutting breaks back and forth. By
including whole tracks as most comps do now they get an audience of
listeners and 'normal' djs too, although with some of the tracks the two
bar break or whatever is by far the best bit, which can be disapointing.

The Ultimate Breaks and Beats series had full length tracks back in the
eighties, i believe, as did the Super Disco Brakes series.


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:45:02 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Breakbeat!

At 12:59 PM 2/6/0, [e-mail] wrote:
>So breakbeat is simply when all other instrumentation stops and the drummer
>goes through his rolls and keeps the beat movin'?

Another tidbit for the definitions. I first heard the term in the 80s when
I saw Grandmaster Flash perform at a club in Ann Arbor--someone yelled,
"Breakbeat!" and the guys on the turntables started scratching and mixing.
And they mixed music, not only rhythm tracks--P-Funk, etc. That's what I
always thought breakbeat meant: get ready for some wicked mixin', turntable
style. Which seems to has evolved to mean mostly sampling. Wasn't there
also an 80s documentary about breakdancing called Breakbeat? It's like a
jungle sometimes, Sometimes I wonder how I keep from goin' under, uh-huh
uh-huh huh-huh. Ex-Clubette Mimi




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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:36:24 +0000
From: M H Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Breakbeats (the saga continues...)

All this reminds me, Blue Break Beats Vol 2 (blue note) is astoundingly
excellent, and converted me to jazz when it came out back in 94 or
something. It's jazz-funk stuff, but all pretty soulful and funky, and
not tepid fusion stuff as the genre can be sometimes, nor do you get the
feeling that the tracks are included because a famous track sampled
them. 10/10!

By a conversion, i mean I then realised that jazz was no longer random
notes...


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:19:29 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) more burnin CD questions

Is it true that if you have one of those stand-alone rewritable CD
recorders, that you can only play those CD's on that machine?
Or to say it another way, somebody told me that those more expensive CDR's,
on which you can make mistakes and re-record, are only playable on one of
those re-recordable machines.
If true, that sucks.  If true, what's the point of that machine?  That
means you'd still need ANOTHER recordable CD system to make dubs with.
If true, that totally screws up my fantasy/plans.
I'm sitting here making this tape "The Unison of Now", featuring the
Lettermen, Sandpipers, Anita Kerr Singers etc and almost drooling with
anticipation of the day I can "archive" and then dump these LP's.
Maybe minidisc is the solution?

Nat



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 00 17:11:35 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions

>Is it true that if you have one of those stand-alone rewritable CD
>recorders, that you can only play those CD's on that machine?
>Or to say it another way, somebody told me that those more expensive CDR's,
>on which you can make mistakes and re-record, are only playable on one of
>those re-recordable machines.

Yes, that's true.

>If true, that sucks.  If true, what's the point of that machine?

That you can (supposedly) reuse/rewrite the discs instead of spending
money to buy write-once discs.  But, you are definitely tied to the CD-RW
machine for using them.  I've *heard* that DVD players can also read
CD-RWs, but I haven't tried that yet so that may not be true.  But if so,
DVD players would be the only other way you could play a CD-RW disc.

>That
>means you'd still need ANOTHER recordable CD system to make dubs with.
>If true, that totally screws up my fantasy/plans.
>I'm sitting here making this tape "The Unison of Now", featuring the
>Lettermen, Sandpipers, Anita Kerr Singers etc and almost drooling with
>anticipation of the day I can "archive" and then dump these LP's.
>Maybe minidisc is the solution?

I'm not sure what's the reason you could not just record your LPs to CD-R
instead of CD-RW (CD-R discs play in ALL my CD players (personal,
computer, home stereo magazine player, boom box, et al.)....

It's best to use CD-RW for repeatable data archiving, instead of music
archiving, since their discs cannot be played on regular CD players.  In
other words, for making weekly backups of your computer data and such,
CD-RW is the better way to go.  So it just depends on what your usage of
the discs is going to be.

I am in the midst of putting all my vinyl on CD-R right now, though it is
an ongoing project and time-consuming, and I do only 1-2 LPs at a time...

Regards,
- --bj
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:30:09 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions

>>almost drooling with
>>anticipation of the day I can "archive" and then dump these LP's.
>
>I am in the midst of putting all my vinyl on CD-R right now

I want one of these PhonOcord gizmos that Gus has documented, so I can
archive my CDs to 78rpm acetates.

http://www.shellac.org/phonocord/



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:01:53 -0500
From: "Mike Horne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Many thanks for musicblvd.com info!! (OT)

- -    Thanks all!
    Mike



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:38:15 -0800
From: "Larson/Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) the poetic cockroach on a typewriter

Maybe the answer can be found here?

http://www.nodanw.com/shows_a/archy.htm

Archy the typing cockroach is a literary character, and the basis of a 1957
musical (see the Internet site).

Jerry Larson



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:44:47 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Breakbeat! Apache

>good example that exotica fans might be
>familiar with is the Incredible Bongo Band..  their song Apache was used
>long ago in the Grandmaster Flash tune Apache and the big crazy drum and
>bongo beat has been used ever since in dozens of hip hop songs.

Y'know, since this was mentioned the other day, I've been thinking: Wasn't
it The Sugarhill Gang that did "Apache"? I finally bothered to check at All
Music Guide, and yep, it was.

http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=10:23:01|PM&p=amg&sql=A28298

At least that's the version I was hearing "in the day" (as DJJimmyBee would
say).


Uh Hunga Hunga Hunga!

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:49:39 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, February 6

Marco \\Kallie\\ Kalnenek wrote:

> Moritz R wrote:
>
> > > > Andreas Dorau & Moritz R:  Der letzte Popsong  "Poptics"
> > >
> > > Mo, what's this??
> >
> > It's what it says: The last pop song of the 20th century. And we wrote it.
>
> Did you only do this one song together, or did you do a whole CD?
>

Just this song.
Mo



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:06:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions

Since the stand alone cdrs are one shot only deals it is very easy to make a
mistake.  The point of the cdrw is you can mess around with it till you get
it exactly right and then do a digital transfer to a regular cdr.  Once you
have done that you can erase the cdrw and start on your next project.

That's the beauty of the dual stand alone Philips cd machine.  It costs about
$500 buck, but since it has a player and a recorder on it (and the player
will play regular cds and cdrs and cdrws) you can sell your current cd player.

Philips has vowed to make all of thier future cd machines also able to play
cdrws, and claims that other companies are doing the same.

Larry


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 00 20:15:42 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) more burnin CD questions

>Since the stand alone cdrs are one shot only deals it is very easy to make a
>mistake.  The point of the cdrw is you can mess around with it till you get
>it exactly right and then do a digital transfer to a regular cdr.  Once you
>have done that you can erase the cdrw and start on your next project.

I just don't use my CD-RW in this way...the downside of them is that they
are a pain in the BUTT to erase, something I haven't heard mention here
at all.  You do not just "rerecord over them" like a cassette tape.  You
have to wait until they are erased by the laser which takes a lot longer.
 I have a CD-RW drive hooked up to my computer and each time I want to
reuse a disc, I have to wait almost 15-20 minutes before it's completely
erased "clean".

Be advised also that the CD-RW discs for the home stereo component
recorders are very expensive; anywhere from $7.00 to $20.00 *a piece*,
depending on where you get them.  They run about 4 bucks each for the
computer driven CD-RW drives.

Much easier on the nerves to use a $1.00 CD-R disc on your computer and
even if it turns out not the way you like, throw it away and use a new
one.  At least you aren't spending 7-20 bucks on each one!!  Do the
mixing/whatever on your hard drive with your sound files before burning
and then you don't have any waste whatsoever.

Regards,
- --bj
The Walter Wanderley Pictorial Discography
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