ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/exotica/archive/v02.n548

Internet Message Format | 1999-11-18 | 41KB

From: [e-mail] (exotica-digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: exotica-digest V2 #548
Reply-To: exotica-digest
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk
X-No-Archive: yes


exotica-digest        Friday, November 19 1999        Volume 02 : Number 548



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) For your eyes only!
Re: (exotica) For your eyes only!
Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......
Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......
Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......
(exotica) Not Bach-yet...
Re: (exotica) Tape echo... Sixth sense
(exotica) V/Search Swing Book
(exotica) Questions.....
(exotica) The sixth sense
Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......
Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl
Re: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl
(exotica) Werner Muller & Connie Stevens
Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense
(exotica) Pollo del Mar in SF
(exotica) Tiki Tones swing in SF
Re:  (exotica) See It in Sound?
(exotica) sock it to me by the now generation
Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense
(exotica) Ton Tiki
Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense
Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......
Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense
(exotica) Re: Tape echo
(exotica) Edmundo Ros
(exotica) Re: R Hayman-Voodoo
Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense
(exotica) [obits] Mary Kay Bergman,"Cowboy" Jimmy Moore,Doug Sahm,Beatrice Colen

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:52:53 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) For your eyes only!

>advertised so get your bare asses down there!

I will, but I don't think my mule knows how to get to a club by himself,
nor is he very interested in music.

Have a good show, in any case.

Brian Phillips



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:59:11 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) For your eyes only!

>>advertised so get your bare asses down there!
>
>I will, but I don't think my mule knows how to get to a club by
>himself, nor is he very interested in music.


but he knows how to shave?!

visit...

  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
            King Kini's  C L U B  V E L V E T
              http://www.tamboo.com
  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:06:13 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......

> It is a phenomenon known as print through.  In fact, some
> records you buy
> have been mastered from tapes which had print through
> problems which is why
> you sometimes hear part of the song just a bit early.

I am going to disagree with this one.  Generally a half-track master will
have leader tape between the takes, not magnetic tape, so bleed through
should never appear on a record.  If you hear the next groove ahead of time,
like MO said, it is due to the mechanics of the vinyl.

As I understand it, the leader tape will be between tracks, BUT the splice
of leader/tape should be well before the beginning of the track. Splices
tend to produce a slight "bump" and I would expect there to be some silent
magnetic tape at the front which would prevent the "bump" but would also be
susceptible to the problem of print-through.

A common preventative measure for print-through is to wind tapes "tails out"
so the print effect goes back onto the recorded part of the track where it
is less likely to be noticed. I have some old reels of stuff I produced in
my college radio days that now exhibits this phenomenon due to my ignoring
all the warnings I received about not storing my tapes "tails out."

As for vinyl print -through, that's a new one on  me. It could happen, I
guess. A 33 rpm record takes a little less than 2 seconds to make a full
revolution, and that seems consistent with some "echoes" I have heard on
vinyl.

Has anyone ever heard the print through at the END of a song? If the vinyl
theory is correct, it should be be there, and if the engineers wound their
tapes the way they were supposed to, it would be there on tape also.

...Waiting for Cleve to come and straighten us all out... Perhaps this is
one for Cecil Adams (Author of the thouroughly entertaining "Straight Dope"
books.)

Ron





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:15:41 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......

> A common preventative measure for print-through is to wind tapes "tails
> out" so the print effect goes back onto the recorded part of the track
> where it is less likely to be noticed.

This is exactly right.  Back in the days when we still used reel-to-
reel tape around the studios here, we always stored them "tails out"
in order to prevent print through.  We have tapes in our archives
going back 10+ years stored in this fashion that are still playable.
Tapes stored for a long time also tend to dry out and become brittle.

As I understand it, print through can also be caused when another
magnetic field comes into contact with the tape.  Tossing your car
keys on top of a tape, for example, could cause print through.

Darrell Brogdon
[e-mail]
The Retro Cocktail Hour
KANU Radio
Broadcasting Hall
The University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at:
http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html
Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at:
http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:25:20 +0100
From: Mo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......

Ron Grandia wrote:

> Has anyone ever heard the print through at the END of a song? If the vinyl
> theory is correct, it should be be there, and if the engineers wound their
> tapes the way they were supposed to, it would be there on tape also.

Yes, but it's most often less obvious as songs usually have some kind of fade
out.

> ...Waiting for Cleve to come and straighten us all out... Perhaps this is
> one for Cecil Adams (Author of the thouroughly entertaining "Straight Dope"
> books.)

Do you doubt my words?????????

Mo



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:25:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Jane Fondle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Not Bach-yet...

Hi, gang-o-mine.  I really miss it around your parts,
but what can I do....still unemployed and using the
Library computer with the other winos.
Anyway, a big  THANKS and wet kiss and stuff to all
who have bought LOVE AT ZERO G from us!  I really hope
you dig it....to those DJs who don't yet have one,
please send a reminder to:
[e-mail]
That's Quinn Martian's address.

Also, I had a funny dream the other night.  It was
about a nonexistent space age pop rekkid, that had
this great technocolour cover....on the "yellow panel"
side of the cover was a 5ts looking blonde babe, and
on the "blue panel" side was a picture of a more 7ts
singer....the title(made up in my dream) MANILOW AND
MISCHEIF!
Geezzzz!

Anyway, looking forward to rejoining y'all again
someday....
The lady is blue: JANE FONDLE





=====
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter
Buy the debut release from Astroslut:  LOVE AT ZERO G at:
http://cdalley.com
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:42:40 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo... Sixth sense

No, no. It ties in with the sixth sense thread. The mind and hi-fi both
being mysterious things, you're experiencing small bursts of premonition --
your mind hears the music a moment before it actually happens. This was all
explored in the RCA labs during the 40s and 50s (successful experiments
with temporal ping-pong mixes were among their achievements), but was
totally hushed up and deep-sixed by secret government decree.

m.ace  [e-mail]
OOK   http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:07:55 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) V/Search Swing Book

Noticed a new book at Tower:
V/Search #3 Swing:The New Retro Renaissance by V.V Vale Co-publisher of
RE/Search.

A few of the people interviewed in the book that I recognized : Royal Crown
Review, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and Sam Butera.


Domenic




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:25:53 -0500
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Questions.....

Anybody have the comp. "Axes, Saxes & Skins & Ivories" ( I think there are =
two volumes) - this is all instro stuff.

How is "Preston Epps Bongo Rock?  Is it straight percussion?

- - Nate




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:03:18 -0500
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The sixth sense

Nat & Jill wrote:

> >I cant say what it is but I can often smell its an interesting record by
> > the cover
> I have this too. I think it IS a gift. A sixth sense. I so rarely buy crap,
> but I am very picky. But sometimes I just see a record and think, "this'll
> be a good one" and 99% of the time it is. Occasionally it isn't.
I think I refined this sense during the new wave era when records
were very expensive and you couldn't (at least in this continent)
listen to them first. Usually a combination of the name, the cover,
associated names or something else triggered it.  Sure experience
helped, but many times the record just 'seemed' right'... a bit
like how I first stumbled on Der plan. I can't say I'm now or ever
was at 99% but of those things I couldn't listen to or knew nothing
about  my success rate was always well over 50%. Considering the
proportion of good to crap out there I think that's mighty good...
and I too am very picky about what I like!

Brian Karasick
Physical Planner
McGill University
Montreal, Canada


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:57:44 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......

Mo writes:

> Do you doubt my words?????????
>
> Mo

"Doubt" is a strong word, and I did not mean to point that statement at you
or anyone else. Sorry if it appeared that way.  I just thought it would be
nice to hear from an authority on the matter such as Cleve, or anyone who
has working knowlege of the recording insustry. Especially in regard to two
points 1) The use of leader tape, and whether there would be enough magnetic
tape at the head to record an imprint and 2) whether there is also a
mechanical imprint from vinyl grooves being too close together.

Not that this has anything to do with the price of beer - It's just
interesting.

Ron




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:17:38 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl

Definitely got that sixth sense. It works works looking at records, at
record bins. Also hits with a little voice that tells me, Go forth and find
records. And usually I know where to hunt, too. Weird and lucky.

Glad you're back, Jill honey. Take care, xxo Mimi




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:37:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Sixth Sense for vinyl

I'd like to think I have the Sixth Sense, but I really do like Wednesdays at
a particular Cambridge-based record shop when the owner isn't in and the guys
let me spin and grin before i turn in my pin (number).....Jimmy


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:04:41 -0800
From: Jim Gerwitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Werner Muller & Connie Stevens

Before she became an informercial/internet cosmetics queen, Connie
Stevens went to Germany and recorded an album of supposedly
"international" songs backed by Werner Muller. I kinda like it, if only
for her extremely perky "Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish."
Worth the buck I paid. Hell, i spent a buck last week for Lawrence
Welk's "Scarlett O'Hara" only to see what George Cates would do with
"Pipeline." Very interesting, using the strings for the whammy bar
effect. And Scarlett O'Hara was the same song as one of my all time
favorite obscure 60's instrumentals by session drummer Bobby Gregg. You
never know what you'll find. With my sixth sense i don't see dead
people, i see old records...well, there is a connection now that i think
about it....

JB


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:21:09 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense

At 04:03 PM 11/18/99 -0500, Brian Karasick wrote:

> I can't say I'm now or ever
>was at 99% but of those things I couldn't listen to or knew nothing
>about  my success rate was always well over 50%. Considering the
>proportion of good to crap out there I think that's mighty good...
>and I too am very picky about what I like!

Have any of you with that sixth sense ever considered the possibility,
given how subjective "good vs crap" is, that your success ratio is mostly a
self-fulfilling prophecy?
Or how about this?  You come home with a pile of crap.  You're disappointed
by the first one.  Immediately your threshold of what's good dips a bit and
if the next one is halfway decent, you elevate it.
You don't buy that?  Well how about this?

I know that I changed my taste in order to make it easier to find lots of
records that interested me.  I like buying piles of cheap records so I
retrofitted my taste so that I could find lots of stuff I wanted where they
have piles of cheap records.

But today I sold about fifty perfectly respectable easy listening records
that had survived in my collection for a couple of years.  That makes about
300 such records I've sold in the past.  They were all good records.

But they weren't GREAT records.

I don't think there are enough great records in the world to have a high
ratio of finding them.

But there are lots of okay and good records or records with one or two
pretty good cuts.

I'm running out of steam.

Nat





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:50:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Pollo del Mar in SF

Pollo Del Mar just released a cool new Exotica tinged surf CD along the lines
of The Blue Hawaiians but leaning more toward The Mermen than Martin Denny

Here are some shows to catch them at

POLLO DEL MAR upcoming shows:

The Paradise Lounge
This Friday, November 19 with THE MERMEN
Eleventh and Folsom in San Francisco, 21+, door charge
Plenty of parking at Costco
Pollo goes on at 10 PM
show poster: http://www.pollodelmar.com/gallery/gall30.html

"Winter Waves"
KFJC benefit concert hosted by Phil Dirt
December 4th at 1 PM
Appreciation Hall (A-61)
Foothill College, Los Altos Hills
$10 at the door, ALL AGES
Show starts at 1PM
with THE SURF KINGS and THE SAND-DUNES
show poster: http://www.pollodelmar.com/gallery/gall32.jpg

The Tip Top Inn
December 4, 9:30 PM
Mission at 26th Street in San Francisco
21+, door charge
with THE AQUAMEN and THE SURF KINGS
show poster: http://www.pollodelmar.com/gallery/gall31.html

WEST COAST LIVE
Saturday, December 11, 10am
The nationally syndicated NPR radio show
at The The Frieght and Salvage.
1111 Addison Street, Berkeley
show time 10 AM
or listen to KALW 91.7
**Star trumpeter Jab from HERB and SHITTY SHITTY BAND BAND will be
sitting in with us!



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org
to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to [e-mail]
and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the
subject).  For web-based help, go to:

http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:49:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Tiki Tones swing in SF

Find out what goes on behind closed doors when the Suburban Swingers of
today's turned-on generation turn out the lights!!

          Saturday November 27, 1999
          Wife Swapping Party with...
                    ...the fabulous TIKI TONES!

          Hi-Ball Lounge, 473 Broadway, SF
          Ph: 415.474.6299     Only $5.00

          Vintage wife-swapping movies and 60s twist party/Go-Go
          Dance with KALX DJ The California Kid!

          Another SINtilating Sexcapade from the lowbrows at Liftoff!

Only for the mature adult who UNDERSTANDS...Leave your keys at the door!


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org
to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to [e-mail]
and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the
subject).  For web-based help, go to:

http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:54:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) See It in Sound?

I think it is the best Esquivel ever

I am still totally baffled why anyone would NOT get Brother Cleve to write
the liner notes

Is there anyone out there who does not realise that Cleve is the defacto
expert on the E-man at this point!?!
Apparently some record execs are out in the cold, eh?


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:26:52 -0000
From: "Phil Clark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) sock it to me by the now generation

someone said:

"But the signs can be very deceiving. This isn't a perfect example but I
just bought a record called "Sock it to me" by the so-called "The Now
Generation".  On Somerset.
Now admittedly the song and artist list gave me some preparation for what
it might be.  I had a feeling it wouldn't be what the title suggested it
would be.
Somebody here recently mentioned Paul Griffin; I knew he played organ.
Still nothing prepared me for the rockin raw sound of some of these cuts.
Kinda like Bill Doggett on a bender."

Ah, I have this - the UK issue was on the venerable Marble Arch label and
can be found for oh, about 2 Earth Pounds or so. Wasn't it one of those
Alshire/Somerset anonymous studio things where they recycled cuts between
about four albums? For example "Astro Sounds" and "Animated Egg".

groovily
phil dil







# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:42:01 +0100
From: Mo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense

I dunno... 6th sense?!? Holy Scully! You guys are drifting into the
Twilight Zone...
The connection between sleeve design, era and music on a record is too
obvious to have to make use of extra-sensual explanations. That someone
who buys and collects records for years and years will develop a certain
experience in being able to tell what the LP s/he finds in a store
approximately will be like, is that a wonder? A question of PSI powers?
As someone who just recently found and bought hundreds of used records
and did find a lot of good (and some great) ones, I know some examples
that disprove this 6th sense. I'm absolutely sure f.i. that everyone of
you psi magicians would have bought this Edmundo Ros "Latin Love-In"
with this cover of a naked girl bodypainting her boobies... (think of a
prize of 50 cent) or this Tony Bennet "Music For the Jet Set Generation"
or this "Styled For You" with a painting of Les Baxter on the cover...
and all of these records were really C.R.A.P.!  And I also kind of know
that none of you would have bought the truly great Bimbo Jet... because
the cover looks too different from what you'd expect a record you might
like would look like and your 6th sense wouldn't have told you what you
will find in the grooves....
Plus: Remember the times when you didn't yet like "loungy/easy/exotic"
music? What did your 6th sense tell you then? He didn't even know you
would one day like all the records you constantly despised at that
time.  I don't need a 6th sense, I have a brain... life is wonderful
enough as it is...

Mo





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:14:42 +0100
From: Ton Rueckert <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ton Tiki

Went on an adhoc mission yesterday to photograph two Tikifigures supposed
to be somewhere in the German town of Bochum. The people at the
touristinformation service after long deliberation decided the statues had
to be in Bochum-Stiepel, in an area called Am Brunnen, at the well, the
source. As I made myself on my way - by means of public transport, a bus as
long as an anaconda and I felt totally squeezed too - the weather, which
was initially bright, occasionally sunny even, although a bit humid and
feeling colder than the actual temperatures, just above freezing, would
suggest, got worse by the minute. When I eventually found the road to the
place, leading along the edge of a small valley, the snow was coming down
in massive quantities and the atmosphere had become utterly gloomy, and
although being dressed in black from top to toe I looked like an abominable
snowman on a journey to the heart of the darkness. Finally I arrived at a
small castellum with a frontporch supported by two 7 feet polynesian
figures, one at each side, but not quite Tikifigures as far as I could see
through the flakes and with the little light left that actually came from
behind, from the side of valley. So folks, this obviously means that this
has become the best picture I never made and hence, the one on which you
all sadly will miss out.

Cheers, Ton


 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
 *** Ton Rueckert   Mozartstraat 12  5914 RB Venlo   The Netherlands ***
 *** [e-mail]   http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto   Ph 31/0 773545386 ***
 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
 ~~~ ~~~     Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected.    ~~~ ~~~
 ~~~  http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram  ~~~
 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:37:11 -0700
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Debunking the sixth sense

>Have any of you with that sixth sense ever considered the possibility,
>given how subjective "good vs crap" is, that your success ratio is mostly a
>self-fulfilling prophecy?

This has been considered extensively and rejected. Honestly. I don't usually
buy piles of records anyway. This goes for new stuff as well as old. But
there might be that one record for =A35 that you can't play before hand that
looks good, and for some reason you just buy it. And it is. And so say five
other friends who can't believe they've never heard of it. Not
self-fulfilling. Really, not! At least not in my case!

>Or how about this?  You come home with a pile of crap.  You're disappointed
>by the first one.  Immediately your threshold of what's good dips a bit and
>if the next one is halfway decent, you elevate it.

>But today I sold about fifty perfectly respectable easy listening records
>that had survived in my collection for a couple of years.  That makes about
>300 such records I've sold in the past.  They were all good records.

I rid myself of good stuff I don't play much all the time due to space. A
lot of stuff I get sent for free because I work in the industry. Some is
stuff I get for free on trade. You take more chances if you part with no=
 money.

>I don't think there are enough great records in the world to have a high
>ratio of finding them.

See, I don't buy a lot of records. I really don't. But my pile is mainly
cream of cream. And I dont' usually pay high prices either. That is weird,
man. And 95% of the so-called "scores" people brag about on this list make
me giggle. I'm glad SOMEBODY thinks they're a find, but I see these records
for $1 10 times over the once a year I go to the States and pass, and when
some person I know DOES by them, I'm not sorry I didn't get them. Exactly
what I expected. Nice arrangements, well produced, good cover, thoroughly
forgettable.=20


Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think you were fishing for this sort of
reaction, Nat. And that's cool.=20

x Jill "Mingo-go"



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:15:16 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tape echo.......

A knowledgeable exoticat wrote:

<< On records you actually get a mechanical influence of the groove to its
"neighbor" grooves; the tighter the record is cut the more. This also
increases in time a bit, as the vinyl is working too, but it's not as
dramatic as with tapes.

 Hope my English was sufficiant to explain this. >>

Hummmmm, this discussion sounds particularly Non-Exotica related.  I mean, no
one said their cassette version of Quiet Village was bleeding over.  Just
that they had noted bleed over on a cassette recording.

Interesting.  Now, the folks over at the "Explaining Bleed Over on Records,
Cassettes and  Other Magnetic Tapes" Mailing List had an excellent discussion
on this a few weeks ago.  You may be able to find it in their archives
(www.nonexoticarelateddiscussionofmagneticandrecordbleedover.com).

Oh, and some guy from France claims that the magnetic tape made in HIS
country does not allow the recorded image to bleed thru because it is
superior.  He suggested that if people would just buy French made cassette
tapes that all problems would be solved.  Funny those French, they can be
kinda rude.  Anyway, I don't really use cassettes anymore, so that suggestion
does not interest me.

I tried to ask them about the possibility of bleed over on CD's but they
referred me to another list.

I will keep you updated.

So how about that Tipsy?

TB


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:07:57 -0700
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense

>Plus: Remember the times when you didn't yet like "loungy/easy/exotic"
>music? What did your 6th sense tell you then? He didn't even know you
>would one day like all the records you constantly despised at that
>time.  I don't need a 6th sense, I have a brain... life is wonderful
>enough as it is...

All I can say to this is those without the sense are bound to scoff. It
isn't about LP covers. It's about KNOWING the record will be good. KNOWING.
I have bought plenty of crummy covered records - new stuff, not just stuff
30 years old or more, that I just KNEW was a good band or release. I wish I
could give an example that would make sense, but since it is unexplainable,
trying to explain it to someone who doesn't understand just sounds like a
bogus attempt to explain the unknown. I justify nothing. You KNOW or you
don't. But I reckon there are one or two folk on this list who know exactly
what I mean. Maybe even some of those who are trying to downplay
it...sometimes a gift like this can frighten even those who HAVE it.....

Jill "Mingo-go"



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:10:40 +0100
From: "Kristjan Saag" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Tape echo

Mo wrote (Nov 18):
=20
>On records you actually get a mechanical influence of the groove to its =
>"neighbor" grooves; the tighter the record is cut the more.=20
- --
Now, what mechanical influence do you talk about? As far as I understand =
there is nothing that can spill from one groove to another, other than =
dust. The groove topography may change due to record wear (done by the =
stylus), but if the grooves override into each other worse things will =
happen than just a pre-echo of sound. The stylus will get stuck.
Kristjan




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:17:34 +0100
From: "Kristjan Saag" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Edmundo Ros

 Paul Penna wrote on Edmundo Ros (Nov 18):
  =20
>IA British, male Mrs. Miller
>overstates the case, but it still sounds like they pulled some average,
>middle-aged bloke off a London street and told him, "Here - try to =
swing
>it." Is it Ros himself?
- ---
I agree, Paul. Ros is a terrible singer - you seldom hear someone, at =
this level of world entertainment, so out of tune. And it is with Ros as =
with Cugat and the Lecuona Cuban Boys and all Big Bands that remained in =
business into the 60:s: they are better the older the recordings are.=20
Kristjan

=20



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:23:31 +0100
From: "Kristjan Saag" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: R Hayman-Voodoo

Nat Kone wrote (Nov 17):
=20
>For me, what sets Richard Hayman apart, besides the moog records and =
>the
>Voodoo thing I haven't heard, are his record COVERS.  He's right up =
there
>with Jackie Gleason and George Shearing for a fairly high ratio of cool
>and/or spectacular covers.
>Does anyone know why some people had such high quality covers?  =
>Certainly
>Shearing couldn't have had anything to do with his own covers and yet, =
his
>are among the classics.
- --
Jeezes! I always thought the reason why Shearings Capitol albums came =
with these tasteless pictures of half naked, fat women (_Mood Latino_ , =
_Satin Latin_, _Latin Lace_ etc) was because he is blind - he couldn't =
say no.
Kristjan
=20



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:34:20 +0100
From: Ton Rueckert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SV: (exotica) The Sixth Sense


>>Plus: Remember the times when you didn't yet like "loungy/easy/exotic"
>>music? What did your 6th sense tell you then? He didn't even know you
>>would one day like all the records you constantly despised at that
>>time.  I don't need a 6th sense, I have a brain... life is wonderful
>>enough as it is...
>
>All I can say to this is those without the sense are bound to scoff. It
>isn't about LP covers. It's about KNOWING the record will be good. KNOWING.
>I have bought plenty of crummy covered records - new stuff, not just stuff
>30 years old or more, that I just KNEW was a good band or release. I wish I
>could give an example that would make sense, but since it is unexplainable,
>trying to explain it to someone who doesn't understand just sounds like a
>bogus attempt to explain the unknown. I justify nothing. You KNOW or you
>don't. But I reckon there are one or two folk on this list who know exactly
>what I mean. Maybe even some of those who are trying to downplay
>it...sometimes a gift like this can frighten even those who HAVE it.....



It's nothing too uncommon, really, having a good, means a smart,
intuition. Max Euwe, Netherlands' only World Chess Champion,
defined it as chrystalised knowledge, it's things you know
without realising how you know them. Like the body knows lots
things, try to imagine a fighter having to consult his brain
every time he needs to take a win or loose, not to mention a
live or death decision, he does not deliberate, he does what he
has to do. And so some people can smell (so to speak) danger,
others can smell evil, I can smell truth, in a philosophical
sense, so why shouldn't Jill be able to tell intuitively whether
the esthetical concept of an album matches her esthetical
standards, she has so internalized them and is so focused that
it indeed amounts to a sort of finetuning. You will learn to
trust your intuition when you notice that it's almost always
right, that's simply something you take in from experience,
perhaps when you do an extensive study into the phenomenon you
will be able to establish exactly how it works, but why not just
take advantage of it. We can leave the study to professional
psychologists, can't we, we don't need to pressure a NAKED DJ
into acedemic research? (so much for the pleasures of Academia...)

Cheers, Ton


 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
 *** Ton Rueckert   Mozartstraat 12  5914 RB Venlo   The Netherlands ***
 *** [e-mail]   http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto   Ph 31/0 773545386 ***
 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
 ~~~ ~~~     Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected.    ~~~ ~~~
 ~~~  http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram  ~~~
 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:10:41 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) [obits] Mary Kay Bergman,"Cowboy" Jimmy Moore,Doug Sahm,Beatrice Colen

The Associated Press
Friday, Nov. 19, 1999; 12:12 a.m. EST

LOS ANGELES ûû Mary Kay Bergman, who gave voice to the mothers of "South Park" characters like Stan, Cartman and Kenny, died Nov. 11 from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. She was 38.

Ms. Bergman's credits included supplying voices on "Star Wars: Episode I û The Phantom Menace," "The Iron Giant" and "Mulan." In recent years, she inherited the role of Daphne in the new "Scooby-Doo" videos.

Jimmy Moore
ALBUQUERQUE (AP) û "Cowboy" Jimmy Moore, a championship billiards player and technical adviser to films involving the sport, died Wednesday at 89.

Moore won the National Invitational Professional Pocket Billiards Championship in New York in 1965. Nineteen years later, when he was 74, he won the Legends of Pocket Billiards competition on ESPN.

He picked up billiards as a teen-ager in Detroit and won four Michigan state titles. In 1958, he beat Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter for the national title.

Moore later served as a technical adviser for pool-playing scenes in television shows including "My Living Doll," starring Bob Cummings and Julie Newmar, and movies including Jerry Lewis' "The Family Jewels."

                  Doug Sahm
SAN ANTONIO (AP) û Doug Sahm, 58, a steel guitar prodigy who lead the Sir Douglas Quintet and the Grammy-winning Texas Tornados, died Thursday in a Taos, N.M., lodge, apparently of natural causes.

Sahm was proficient on fiddle, mandolin and guitar and also sang with his groups. He played with Hank Williams and Bob Dylan.

Sir Douglas Quintet started charting hits in 1965 with the song "She's About A Mover." The Texas Tornados were formed in 1989 and won a Grammy Award two years later for their album "Texas Tornados."

Beatrice Colen
LOS ANGELES (AP) û Beatrice Colen, best known as the roller-skating carhop on early episodes of "Happy Days," died Thursday of complications from lung cancer. She was 51.

Mrs. Colen, the granddaughter of Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright George S. Kaufman, appeared in more than 200 TV shows, commercials and movies.

From 1974-76 she played Marsha, a carhop on the popular "Happy Days" comedy. She also appeared in the "Wonder Woman" TV series as Corp. Etta Candy, the heroine's sidekick.

She had guest appearances in numerous TV shows, including "Alice," "Barney Miller" and "All in the Family."

Her film credits include the 1981 film "American Pop" and Mel Brooks' 1977 comedy "High Anxiety."



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

End of exotica-digest V2 #548
*****************************