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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:05:38 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music
>few years back of Warner Bros. cartoon music by Carl Stalling - does
>anyone know the title?
There were two: The Carl Stalling Project and The Carl Stalling Project Vol. 2 (duh). The first one is far and away the best. (Speaking of which: supposedly John Zorn's liner notes have been removed from later pressings; does anybody know if that's in fact true and if so why?)
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:24:21 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <hagar@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music
No, this doesn't answer the question, but while I would not be the one to
argue that Stalling was a great choice for the cartoon soundtracks, I just
happened to be watching a very late Warner Bros. cartoon featuring Rapid
Rabbit. The cartoon was dreadful, but the music by William Lava was rather
au-go-go. I usually didn't like his scores to the Road Runners (which were
directed by Rudy Larriva and not as good as the Chuck Jones), budget
constraints notwithstanding, but this score was rather nice.
It pays to listen as well as hear!
Brian Phillips
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:42:43 +0100
From: "Arjan Plug" <ajplug@bart.nl>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!!
>m.ace wrote:
>
> > In amongst the debates on hardware and debates on debating
>hardware, I'm still hoping for some enlightenment on Francoise
>Hardy. Anyone? Pretty please?
Actually I have the "Complete Vogue Recordings 62/67" on order for a couple
of weeks now but not gotten in yet alas. More report when I get that in.
Anyway, it's a French 4CD box with has been recommended as the (expensive)
essential buy as other compilations seem to miss seminal tracks from that
period. I have two slightly older sixties albums by her: "Ma jeunesse fout
le camp..." (1967) and "Comment te dire adieu?" (1968). The former I like
somewhat better but both are good : folky moody chansons alternating with
some beatstuff. Good arrangements, I like her voice a lot and I rate her
even more highly than sixties France Gall.
Arjan
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:07:44 -0500
From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr <rotohut@ic.net>
Subject: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo
I sputtered:
><< I'll speak more strongly than Ashley on this. They sound like someone
> playing the record in a goddamn storm drain. Once you become aware of
> which tracks were processed this way, it becomes very obvious and
> annoying. >>
And Tiki Bob asked
>give us some "for instances".
Listening to _Bachelor Pad Royale_ again, it wasn't particularly
obvious. But the place where it really bugged me was on _Mambo Fever_.
Tracks 4, 6, 8, 11, 13 and 16 have this unnatural "congested"
sound--it's hard to find the right word to describe it--but it sounds
like the musicians are trapped inside a box. I suppose part of the
problem was working with lower-fi originals there.
Yma's voice cuts through the mix no matter what, of course!
cheers,
--Ross
|| Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr <rotohut@ic.net>
|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:26:30 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <hagar@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo
>You can argue that the art of making a good mono mix had been evolving for
>many years, at a point when stereo was still new and producers were a
>little clumsy with it. In mono, there were a lot of subtle techniques for
>suggesting space in the front-to-back dimension; and generally things were
>mixed with less room reverberation (which just makes things murky in
>mono). So solo instruments often get a much more forward sound in the mono
>version.
Then there is the flat out weird process of taking a stereo record and
making it mono. Atlantic did this with some of their reissued singles and
this only serves to muddy up the recording. Listening to the mono version
of "I Can't Turn You Loose" on the reissue, made me think, "Well, it was
recorded in the sixties, hard to get a good sound, etc., however, if you
listen to the same record in stereo, I expected a little more clarity, but
this was SO severe, I believe that they took the stereo mix and just made
it mono.
Brian Phillips
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:33:16 EST
From: Thinkmatic@aol.com
Subject: (exotica) End to CD player nightmare (with extra Exotica Content added)
I took 11 CDs from 5 sources, (5 of the CDs were from folks on this mailing
list) to a
large US electronics store.
REAL EXOTICA CONTENT:
The CDs were:
Mission Impossible/Astro Sounds From Beyond the Year 2K
Carl Stalling Project Vol. 2
Havana 3 AM
Xaviar Cugat - Feeling Good & Dance Party
How to Speak Hip
Yma Sumac, Voice of Xtabay/Inca Taqui
Jack Burger -The End On Bongos/Marty Gold -Skin Tight
They all played flawlessly on 3 Sony Discman players even the $49.00 baby. I
also took the 2 discs that played the worst on the majority of portable
players I tested (Carl Stalling & The End On Bongos/Skin Tight) and tried
them on every boom box in the store they both played fine on even the $29.00
boom box.
Conclusion: Small portable compact disc players are less accurate at reading
home burned CDs then any other CD playing device (except maybe a magnifying
glass and a fishing hook). If you intend to play CD-Rs in a portable player
test before you buy.
The End
Please e-mail me directly if you have discussion of a non-Exotica nature.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:53:40 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo
In a message dated 11/15/99 3:11:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotohut@ic.net
writes:
<< Listening to _Bachelor Pad Royale_ again, it wasn't particularly
obvious. But the place where it really bugged me was on _Mambo Fever_.
Tracks 4, 6, 8, 11, 13 and 16 have this unnatural "congested"
sound--it's hard to find the right word to describe it--but it sounds
like the musicians are trapped inside a box. I suppose part of the
problem was working with lower-fi originals there. >>
great! now i have a new project. i am going to go back and listen to these.
on a similar note (???) i have noticed a "poor" sounding quality to The
Fantastic Plastic Machines' Luxury CD. Sure there are places where it sounds
like he added pops and clicks from a vinyl record but other parts sound very
dull. am i the only on who has noticed this?
tb
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:56:31 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo
In a message dated 11/15/99 3:11:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotohut@ic.net
writes:
<< Listening to _Bachelor Pad Royale_ again, it wasn't particularly
obvious. >>
i have the John Buzon Trio ablum Inferno! that has the Caravan cut off of BPR
and the Mr. Ghost Goes to Town off of Organs in Orbit. Was Inferno! released
in stereo also?
Isn't the Mambo Rock cut off of Inferno! on some CD comp? Was it cleaned up
nicely or poorly? Has anybody put Inferno! on CD?
TB
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:52:29 -0500
From: "m.ace" <ecam@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!!
Thanks for the posts. Using King Kini's link, I see that this album, "Francoise..." on Four Corners Of The World/Kapp corresponds to the original Vogue release, "L'amitie" (1965). Different covers (the Vogue cover looks much nicer) and a couple of tracks are different, but mostly they are the same album.
From what has been said, this must be one of her more rocking albums. There are a couple of tracks that lean towards the folky, but overall, it sounds very mid-60s pop to me. Some songs with an American girl group feel. Several songs remind me of the Rolling Stones in their mid-tempo or ballad mode of the time... that "As Tears Go By" feel (so maybe I mean Marianne Faithfull). Fuzz guitar on one or two tracks. One actually puts me in mind of Nico with the VU, but that might just be me. Nice.
Thanks again.
m.ace ecam@voicenet.com
OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:01:06 -0500
From: "m.ace" <ecam@voicenet.com>
Subject: (exotica) Ye-Ye website
Here's a (at first glance) nice Ye-Ye Girls website:
http://members.tripod.com/ye_ye_girls/
m.ace ecam@voicenet.com
OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:58:41 -0800
From: Jim Gerwitz <jamesbg@home.com>
Subject: (exotica) Francoise Hardy in a Black Leather Jacket
I have a few compilation CD's of her early stuff, and IMO she's got a
very sweet voice - i'd also describe her as folky soft pop, lots of
lilting ballads with acoustic guitar, and some mid-tempo songs with
backing like Ricky Nelson's band. Think of that nice first Marianne
Faithfull LP in French. The word melancholy was used on the website
posted, and that fits her. She doesn't rock out like France Gall or BB,
or go the heavy breathing route like Jane Birkin - but like Gomez
Addams, I get turned on when a girl sings in french.
There are lots of FH compilations, but a recent double CD set on BMG has
36 hits and an incredibly gorgeous cover photo of her in a motorcycle
jacket which i would love to have as a poster. If i didn't have a lot of
the songs already i'd use a $10 CDnow coupon and get it. You can see a
small scan of the cover at CDNow.
JB LeNoir
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:14:59 -0500
From: "Elisabeth Vincentelli" <teppaz@panix.com>
Subject: (exotica) More Francoise Hardy
Oh but we do have some French list members, Mo: I'm French, even though I
live in New York!
I beg to differ with Mo's assessment of Francoise Hardy. True, there was
nothing "weird" about her, but she really encapsulated the French 60s to me.
I mean, France Gall was fun, but Francoise Hardy was truly great. First of
all, she was an anomaly in that she wrote a lot of her own material, rare
for girl singers at the time. Second, she had an ineffable melancholy which
she somehow transmogrified into catchy songs. I really like her "blank"
voice--she said once that she sang softly because she considered her voice
to be just an instrument among others. She worked with many of the best
arrangers of the time. Her career sucked in the late 70s/80s, but Le Danger,
her come-back album from 2 years ago, is quite good.
She was married to singer/actor Jacques Dutronc for many many years, and
appeared in a few movies herself. Probably the easiest to find on tape is
John Frankenheimer's Grand Prix.
I hear the 1962-67 box set is out of print, which is a shame since it really
is wonderful.
Frog-ly yours,
Elisabeth
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:36:03 -0700
From: "Matt Hinrichs" <blue@psn.net>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Francoise Hardy??
What a coincidence ...
I wrote a little thingie on Francoise Hardy on my monthly music web page, IN
MY ROOM. There's also a little scan of one of her 60s American LPs,
"Francoise" on the page --
http://www.psn.net/~blue/room.html
Oh, I would also recommend the book "Unknown Legends of Rock 'n Roll" by
Richie Unterberger, which has a chapter on Francoise and what she's been
> Not only was "Snuff" Garrett the brains behind Bacharach Baroque and
> the Lonely Harpsichord in Shangri-La records,
[and a lot of other things...]
> Anyway, now I've made a firm vow to buy any other record I came
> across with his name on them. And this week I brought home another,
> _Spanish Rhapsodies for Young Lovers_ (Viva Records), by "The
> Midnight String Quartet with Harpsichord, Piano and Rhythm."
>
> Not quite at the same level as Bacharach Baroque, but a winner
> nonetheless--I'd describe it as EZ/Baroque elevator music. The Jobim
> tune "Meditation" is particularly swanky on the harpsichord--the
> classical and the Bossa rubbing shoulders seductively.
>
> So folks flip through your records--and let me know if there are any
> other Garrett-produced winners out there I need to look out for. . .
>
I picked up one the other week, simply called "The Burbank
Philharmonic". It consists of "Dixie" versions of pop tunes such as
"These Boots Are Made For Walking" and "Spinning Wheel", but the
"Dixie" is nicely mutated, including the odd electronic organ sound
and a mighty contrabass saxophone (truly great as the lead in for
"Boots"). Really funny stuff.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:04:39 -0500
From: nytab@pipeline.com
Subject: (exotica) [obits] Robert Kramer,Donald Mills,Alberto Bolet,Jack Hooke,R.J. Vealey
The Associated Press
Saturday, Nov. 13, 1999; 8:37 p.m. EST
Robert Kramer
PARIS (AP) û Robert Kramer, an American movie director who devoted his career to capturing dissident movements from Vietnam war protesters to Latin American guerrillas, died Wednesday from meningitis. He was 60.
Kramer traveled the globe in his quest to capture on screen dissident movements and the questions they raised, filming in Asia, Europe and Latin America. His works also explored the frontiers of social change.
With varying success, Kramer made more than two dozen films and numerous smaller documentaries and television pieces.
Two of his best known works, "Doc's Kingdom" (1987) and "Route One USA" (1989), were reflections on the exile that he became.
While his work was generally acclaimed in Europe as a major example of political cinema, with some movies shown at film festivals in France, including Cannes, he never penetrated the American movie industry's mainstream.
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1999; 9:02 p.m. EST
LOS ANGELES ûû Donald Mills, the last surviving member of the Mills Brothers singers who broke racial barriers in radio, society and the movies, died Saturday of complications from pneumonia. He was 84.
Mills had performed for seven decades and last year accepted the Grammy Award for Lifetime Achievement for the singing group.
The Mills Brothers started performing in 1922 in Piqua, Ohio, when Donald Mills was 7. The group scored its first hit a few years later with "Tiger Rag."
In all, the Mills Brothers sold an estimated 50 million records and even performed for the British royal family during an overseas tour in the 1930s, said Daniel R. Clemson, president of The Mills Brothers Society and a biographer.
"Tiger Rag" sold 1 million copies and led to a contract with CBS that made the Mills Brothers the first black artists to have a commercially sponsored national radio show, Clemson said.
Their songs included "You Always Hurt the One You Love," "Glow Worm," "Yellow Bird" and "Paper Doll."
The group, with brothers Donald, Herbert, Harry and John, was known for its tight harmony and uncanny ability to imitate instruments.
John died in 1936. When Harry and Herbert decided to retire in 1982, Donald Mills recruited the youngest of his six children, also named John, and they sang as John and Donald Mills of the Mills Brothers.
The Associated Press
Monday, Nov. 15, 1999; 6:44 a.m. EST
TEANECK, New Jersey ûû Alberto Bolet, the Havana-born conductor who led orchestras on three continents and spread Cuban rhythms throughout the world, died Wednesday. He was 94.
Bolet was the conductor of the Havana Philharmonic in 1959 when he learned that communist leader Fidel Castro had targeted him for arrest. Bolet received safe passage to England only by convincing the British Broadcasting Corp. to offer him a contract.
He went on to lead the symphonies in Dallas, Sydney and Bilbao.
Upon his return to Cuba in 1936, Bolet founded the island's first classical music radio station and the group Trio de La Habana.
He conducted the Havana Philharmonic for nine years before Castro blacklisted him.
Bolet wrote two books, "History of Chamber Music" and "How to Play the Castanets."
Jack Hooke
NEW YORK (AP) û Jack Hooke, an entertainment manager who handled jazz, rock and Latin music stars for more than half a century, died Saturday. He was 83.
Hooke, most recently with RMM Records in Manhattan, originally bought Royal Roost Records with a partner. His first label handled Stan Getz, Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker, and Hooke himself spent time traveling to promote artists.
He later went on to manage disc jockey Alan Freed, whom he met on a visit to WJW in Cleveland.
In the 1960s and 1970s, Hooke worked with Dick Clark Productions and performers such as the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Jackson Five and Diana Ross. The 1980s brought salsa to the city, and Hooke helped organize regular shows in Greenwich Village.
R.J. Vealey
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) û R.J. Vealey, drummer for Atlanta Rhythm Section, collapsed and died Saturday from a heart attack shortly after a performance. He was 37.
Vealey studied music at West Virginia University and Ohio State University. He received a fine arts scholarship at West Virginia, where he was a featured soloist in the West Virginia University Jazz Ensemble.
Vealey performed at the 1984 Presidential Inaugural Ball in Washington, toured Japan with "Percussion 80" and won the outstanding soloist award at Ohio State University.
After college, Vealey toured with the techno-dance band Fashion Reaction. He also recorded with artists including Section Eight, Zaccaria, Tone Poets and Stonefish.
Vealey joined the Atlanta Rhythm Section in 1995.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:30:05 +0100
From: "Sandberg Magnus" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: (exotica) Mercury
What a nice label! Always superior sound and well designed covers.
Today I found two thrilling LPs on this very label
"Quincy jones explores the music of Henry Mancini"
And=20
Big Jim Sullivan "Sitar Beat". (Never thought I'd find that one). A =
quick search on the internet and i find his own webpage, so i sent a =
thank you mail to him. 32 years too late.=20
http://www.big-jim.demon.co.uk/
Magnus
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:56:33 -0500
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" <crajnai@att.com>
Subject: (exotica) Mercury logo
>
> What a nice label! Always superior sound and well designed covers.
>
Kind of a tangent, but pardon my poor eyesight or density of cranium.
Somebody tell me what the hell is that thing on the mercury trademark
supposed to be. It looks to me like a toy spinning top in a deep shadow,
but I don't know what it is and its driving me nuts. I have peered at it
from several decades worth od albums and CDs and still dont get it.
Charlieman
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:47 -0600
From: kingkini@tamboo.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mercury logo
>Kind of a tangent, but pardon my poor eyesight or density of cranium.
>Somebody tell me what the hell is that thing on the mercury trademark
>supposed to be. It looks to me like a toy spinning top in a deep shadow,
>but I don't know what it is and its driving me nuts. I have peered at it
>from several decades worth od albums and CDs and still dont get it.
