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In This Digest:

(exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement
(exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement
(exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
Re: (exotica) Dimitri From Paris
Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
(exotica) Where do i get one of these???
Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
Re: (exotica) Dimitri from Paris and his Western Swing Band
Re: (exotica) Danny Jannsen
(exotica) exotica-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 463
Re: (exotica) New eXotica Releases Overview Update
Re: (exotica) Dimitri From Paris
Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
Re: (exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement
(exotica) Vive le Gumby Electronique!
(exotica) Musicians opinions solicited
Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
Re: (exotica) Dimitri from Paris and his Western Swing Band
(exotica) la guepe
(exotica) Exotic Connecticut
Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
(exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim!
RE: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here
Re: (exotica) Danny Jannsen
(exotica) Josie and the Pussycats
(exotica) Rumors about the death of my website are greatly exaggerated
Re:  (exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement
Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake  (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update)

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement

Hey, pops.
I didn't intend them to be fightin' words.  More likely, educatin'
words.  I'm looking for someone to show me why it ain't true.

I'll go listen again and give more specific examples, all of which are
based off the Greatest Hits comp.

Also, I said they "remind me of sub-standard Mamas and the Papas" which
you'd have difficulty refuting, since you are not me.  That's what they
remind me of.  I'm sorry if they remind you of something else, or you
like them more than you like M & P, but so be it.

What is with this list recently, with everyone being so damn touchy?

I'll maintain that I like the Mamas and the Papas better than I like
Spanky OR Fifth Dimension.   I'm not saying they're better or more
worthwhile.  Just that I like M&P better and Spanky less.  Can you
abuse me of that notion?  No.  That's what *I* like.

Feel free to argue the merits of Spanky vs. M&P, since maybe that way
you can kindly show me what it is about them you find so fascinating.

In the meantime, your reply has left *me* with no examples to reference
to further my education or change my listening style to better
understand what you find so special about Spanky.


California Dreamin',

Peter


PS: I don't like Mamas and the Papas *that* much by the way.  Just
better than Spanky at this particular moment in time.

:)
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:26:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement

Hey, pops.
I didn't intend them to be fightin' words.  More likely, educatin'
words.  I'm looking for someone to show me why it ain't true.

I'll go listen again and give more specific examples, all of which are
based off the Greatest Hits comp.

Also, I said they "remind me of sub-standard Mamas and the Papas" which
you'd have difficulty refuting, since you are not me.  That's what they
remind me of.  I'm sorry if they remind you of something else, or you
like them more than you like M & P, but so be it.

What is with this list recently, with everyone being so damn touchy?

I'll maintain that I like the Mamas and the Papas better than I like
Spanky OR Fifth Dimension.   I'm not saying they're better or more
worthwhile.  Just that I like M&P better and Spanky less.  Can you
abuse me of that notion?  No.  That's what *I* like.

Feel free to argue the merits of Spanky vs. M&P, since maybe that way
you can kindly show me what it is about them you find so fascinating.

In the meantime, your reply has left *me* with no examples to reference
to further my education or change my listening style to better
understand what you find so special about Spanky.


California Dreamin',

Peter


PS: I don't like Mamas and the Papas *that* much by the way.  Just
better than Spanky at this particular moment in time.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:09:14 -0700
From: "Stephen W. Worth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

>...like someone who may personally not like or understand
>"lounge" music belittling Martin Denny or Esquivel as cheesy,
> novelty music for people who like to dress up in dinner
>jackets and fezes and sip martinis while disparaging any
>album recorded after 1972.

Let me make you a little more angry if I may...

I would like to make it clear that although I listen to
Esquivel and Martin Denny on occasion, I do in fact think
they *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music. I think that
musically, Prez Prado and Arthur Lyman are infinitely
superior.

When this whole "Lounge" thing happened, I cringed because
all it meant to me was that any old Easy Listening album in
the used bin was going to be marked up to outrageous prices,
regardless of how good it was. It also irritated me that most
of the CD compilations included the goofiest and least
listenable cuts of the artists they featured, and the digital
remastering (read "digital mauling") on most of them ended
up making purely acoustic bands sound like buzzy
synthesizers. A clean copy of the original vinyl sounds
much better than the CD in almost every case.

When it comes to the silly hats and "lounge culture" you
can leave me out. I do not own a fez, and I prefer to sip
my Gin and Tonic (not Martinis) out of a normal glass. It
doesn't have to be shaped like a pirate skull or coconut
monkey. I don't like this music for the costume that goes
with it... I happen to actually like the music itself.

That is why I rebel against the title "Lounge". The types
of music that fall under that misnomer are actually
several different genres: Pop Vocals, Percussion Music,
Exotica, Sweet Big Band, etc... To me, the term "lounge"
is nothing but a marketing term meant to describe a
transitory fad created by record labels. In fact, its
time may have already passed. I don't think that is
necessarily a bad thing. It just means that the prices
will come back down to earth and record collectors
will be able to share discoveries about the *MUSIC*
among themselves without hipsters in leopard spot
smoking jackets peering over their shoulders to see
if it has a girl in a kitty cat leotard on the cover.

When it comes to a cut-off date for when music started
to get bad, I would cite 1964, not 1972. When the
Beatles hit and Capitol records phased out their
excellent big band, country and pop vocal divisions,
it marked the beginning of the end in my opinion. From
then on, there was only one kind of music left... rock.
And as we all now by now, there hasn't been a single
new development in the sound of "rock" in almost twenty
years. Rock is like a disease spreading out and
absorbing all diversity. Rock "fusion" has pretty much
killed jazz and country, and it has even infected
classical music and opera.

I am proud to beleive that all Irishmen are drunks. I
think Goths are just depressed clowns, and I also think
that all Mormons ride bicycles. I think stereotyping is
a great source of humor, and a way to define who we are,
or at least who we think we are. Feel free to
stereotype me as you see fit. ("old fart" might fit the
bill nicely...) Bah humbug!

hehehe

See ya
Steve


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:13:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dimitri From Paris

In a message dated 7/29/99 8:44:17 AM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< << Personally I don't care where you buy your shoes, but I can suggest
where
 you
  wear them. >>

 sounds like Ashley has a bee in his bonnet over this one.  jeez,
 man....lighten up... >>


I don't know what you are talking about....you can wear shoes to work, to the
mall, to restaurants...all kinds of places...no bees in no bonnets here.

Ashley


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:51:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

In a message dated 7/29/99 6:07:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I would like to make it clear that although I listen to
 Esquivel and Martin Denny on occasion, I do in fact think
 they *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music.  >>

Boy o' Boy.

Well, I gotta chime in on this one.  How in the world would you categorize
Esquivel and Denny as cheesy?  Have you ever listened to some of the less
mainstream Denny where his real abilities on the piano are highlighted?

Same with Esquivel -- the depth and variety of his work is tremendous.

And we gotta refer to groups of things having a common nature by general
names.  Thus I don't take offense at the them Lounge.  Tho I would never
destine Denny or Esquivel to the lounge.

Think of it this way, how you gunna laugh at the Irishmen and Mormons if you
can't collectively refer to them quickly  and as a group with the above
monikers?

And the comments about the hats, tiki mugs, etc.  Some of just like to
collect things.  So Bigshot, you don't have ANYTHING you collect?  If you do
please tell us because we want to make fun of you too.

Sheez

Proud of my tiki mugs, idols, paper umbrellas, vinyl and a ton of other shit
I collect - but alas, no fez ---------  yet ! ! ! !,

Tiki Bob
(he said something in a negative light about Denny -- you knew I would have
to speak up).


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:00:18 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Where do i get one of these???

In a message dated 7/29/99 6:07:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< and I prefer to sip
 my Gin and Tonic (not Martinis) out of a normal glass. It
 doesn't have to be shaped like a pirate skull or coconut
 monkey. >>


I have been looking for one of those coconut monkey mugs  but can't find one.
 I can find the Monkeypod monkey mugs and the coconut coconut mugs  (as well
as the ceramic coconut mugs  and the brass monkeys which are not mugs at all)
but not the coconut monkey mugs.

I had a line on a coconut monkey mug about a year ago but the person who took
out the classified ad meant "nut monkey" (it was actually a monkey made from
pecan shells --- which we in the South say "Pee-can" not "Pee-con" like the
Yankees do).

Anyway, if anyone has a lead on the coconut monkey mug let me know because it
will look totally ridiculous and silly next to my Anita Bryant skull mug
(complete with hair and a little sign that says "We reserve the right to
refuse service to Gays or Irishmen or Mormon on bicycles).

With warmest regards,

I remain, with a silly name,

Tiki Bob


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:06:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

In a message dated 7/29/99 6:07:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I think stereotyping is
 a great source of humor, and a way to define who we are,
 or at least who we think we are. Feel free to
stereotype me as you see fit. ("old fart" might fit the
bill nicely...) Bah humbug!>>


There are many on the List who will appreciate you making the above remark
- --- of course they really don't need your permission to stereotype you  --
you sorta did that yourself.

And "Old Fart" would be considered by many, but not necessarly myself, as
being to kind.  But one might suggest, and again not me per se, that the
mention of the word "fart" at least puts you in the right anatomical
neighborhood.

Only offering the opinions that "others" might have,

Tiki Bob


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:09:22 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dimitri from Paris and his Western Swing Band

>Wow.  I've just been on the list for a week and there's already been two
>major
>contoversies.  First the Western Swing incident, now this whole Dimitri
>from
>Paris thing.  Is it always like this?  It's kind of exciting, but scary.

No, it's normally been peace, love and cocktails. Did you jinx us or something? (only kidding)

And now we've got Stephen and Bob duking it out! What's the deal, brethren and sistren? Crazy from the heat? Put on your favorite easy track, cool down and think tolerant thoughts.

Ron, maybe you've got some sort of good vibes candle to burn on your altar?

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:19:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Danny Jannsen

Funny you should mention this.  I was just pulling up his stuff on All Music.
 He co-wrote with Bobby Hart (of Boyce & Hart) much of the Josie & the
Pussycats music (creme de la creme of bubblegum says me).  He was not a
member of the Archie gang, nor Spanky as far as I know.

- --David


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:21:54 -0400
From: "Craig L. Carlson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) exotica-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 463

Somebody wrote:

> Where should I buy my shoes?

Railroad Salvage, New Haven, CT. or Building 19, Haverhill MA.

Craig

www.psn.net/~ccarlson/index.html
Short and sweet, updated weekly, at least.


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 99 00:19:37 -0500
From: Michael Toth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) New eXotica Releases Overview Update

Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]> wrote:

>           - July 26: other interesting finds I stumbled on -

>* Xavier Cugat: "16 Most Requested Songs"
>      CD, Columbia, USA, 199?

This is so-so to my tastes, as were his Columbia LPs that I've picked up.
I got mine cheap, thankfully. This is part of a whole Columbia artist
series (Rosemary Clooney, etc.)

>* Neal Hefti : "Batman "
>      CD, RCA, USA, 199?

I wonder if this is the blandly text-only-packaged reissue of _Batman
Theme + 11 Hefti Bat Tunes_ that RCA/BMG rushed out in the late 80s to
cash in on the Batman movie craze at the last minute (although my copy is
merely titled "Neal Hefti" on the spine). The Razor & Tie CD makes this
one useless.

>* Perez Prado: "Jazz"
>      CD, Orfeon, USA, 199?

There are ZILLIONS of these Orfeon CDs of mostly late Prado material,
with really overwhelming cross-over of uneven content between CDs. I've
given up on them from sheer confusion. There's a killer "Harlem Nocturne"
that I think is on this CD though, under the title "Jazz Nocturne."

>* Various Artists: "Exotic Sounds From Many Worlds"
>      CD, Milan, USA, 199?

What's this?? I couldn't turn it up on CD Now.


>* Various Artists: "Stay Awake"
>   (Various Interpretations Of Music From Vintage Walt Disney Films)
>      CD, A&M 3918, USA, 198?

1988. I'm amazed it's still in print. Funny...this album just came up in
a private e-mail exchange with a friend yesterday too...

This is a pretty cool record that has grown on me since I got it almost a
decade ago. Quite a wild roster, including Ken Nordine, Yma Sumac, Ringo
Starr (with Herb Alpert!), Sun Ra, Buster Poindexter, and even the likes
of The Replacements, Michael Stipe, Harry Nilsson, and Bonnie Raitt. This
definitely needs to be included in your CD overview list.

Tom Waits' version of "Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho" is just *priceless* and the gem of
the bunch. It sounds like the 7 Dwarfs are off to mine the pits of
Hell...hilariously horrifying. I actually quite dig the title track (by
Suzanne Vega).



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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:26:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dimitri From Paris

This has been quite a successful little experiment.  When things get dull all
you need to do is express an extreme opinion (you don't even have to believe
it) and someone is bound to get all riled up and then people start talking.
How cool.

I'd like to thank everyone who participated. Thanks to Amanda for getting the
ball rolling, and special thanks go out to Ashley for his passion and the
poignant, intelligent points that he made.  I liked his references to
Dimitri's historical impact, it was a very nice observation.  I also loved
Andrew's comment about Casio demos being true exotica.  It got me thinking
about other electronic instruments and their demos and the work that went
into making them.  Man, in 30 years someone will be collecting and listening
to electronic interment demos.  Fascinating.  Also thanks to everyone else
who had something to say.  I can't forget Tiki Bob's shoes, he needs to post
a scan of them, so all can see.  This is what makes this list an amazing
forum of strong opinions and unique tastes.

Let's see who I can annoy next,

Love,
Roy



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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:53:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

In a message dated 7/29/99 6:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Well, I gotta chime in on this one.  How in the world would you categorize
 Esquivel and Denny as cheesy?  Have you ever listened to some of the less
 mainstream Denny where his real abilities on the piano are highlighted? >>



I will have to agree there, if you get away from his hard core exotica stuff.
Listen to the album called THE VERSATILE MARTIN DENNY from 1963 on Liberty.
His version of MORE is beautiful. I am sure there are a million other
examples, he was a classically trained painist.


He also writes:
<<Same with Esquivel -- the depth and variety of his work is tremendous.>>


I agree, this man was/is  ahead of his time and is a genius. From the moment
I picked up my first Esquivel CD I was hooked. He damn well should have been
awarded at least one grammy in all the years he was nominated.


Jason


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:42:06 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement

>
>In a message dated 7/29/99 3:16:55 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>Spanky reminded me
>>of, pretty obviously, a
>>sub-standard Mamas and the Papas
>
Can't agree.

Didn't Spanky stand in for the late (and missed) Cass Elliott when the Mamas
and Papas reformed a while back?

Hugh.


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:03:41
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Vive le Gumby Electronique!

On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:04:11 -0400, Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>My sleeping has been rather erratic of late, so I woke up at three AM and
flipped to the Cartoon Network and they were showing Gumby.  He was on the
moon, but what was in the background was wonderfully odd sine-wave
generator stuff.  No hummable melodies and very fitting.  The credits
listed, I believe a "Jeff Gerber" for music.  Do I have the correct name
(the other name I gleaned from the Internet Movie Database was John Seely,
also known for later Warner Bros. music.).

I have no info on Gerber, but you are probably referring to the New
adventures of Gumby (I don't know the exact name, but new episodes were
created about ten years ago, by the son of Gumby creator Art Clokey).

I only saw or once or twice, but remember thinking that they were the equal
of the original, only even weirder! And in the ones I saw, Gumby played in
a band with his friends, whose music sounded like an instrumental blend of
Devo and the Silicon Teens! Ok, maybe not as many "hummable melodies" as
those groups, but pretty good. It was a very strange thing to stumble onto
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:22:26 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Musicians opinions solicited

Ms F,

speaking as a terrible completist collector and trainspotter What about
alternate takes/mixes in their entirety,  I'm sure that for at least a
couple of the tracks you had some internal discussion about whether to use
the one with the slightly louder handclaps, or the one where its a great
performance just it just falls apart in a giggling fit halfway through,  or
whatever.  Its then a complement to the official release,  gives sad acts a
chance to collect the set and doesn't treat interested parties as the purely
commercial object.  Besides I always thought that the Home taping thing was
a complete load of bollocks,  if you'll excuse the language.

But then again as its only going to come out on CD I'm unlikely to be a
customer anyway......

The vinyl loving
El Maestro Con Queso

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http://www.sgillitt.dircon.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm

<snip>.It has been suggested that we
put entire song(s) on it, rather than, or in addition
to, excerpts.  I am not so sure I am comfortable with
that...because of the old "home taping kills new
music" ethic of the 8ts.  However, we want to make
everybody happy-n-stuff.  <snip>


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:15:55 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:20:01 PDT
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dimitri from Paris and his Western Swing Band

>
> >Wow.  I've just been on the list for a week and there's already been two
> >major
> >contoversies.  First the Western Swing incident, now this whole Dimitri
> >from
> >Paris thing.  Is it always like this?  It's kind of exciting, but scary.
>
>No, it's normally been peace, love and cocktails. Did you jinx us or
>something? (only kidding)
>
>And now we've got Stephen and Bob duking it out! What's the deal, brethren
>and sistren? Crazy from the heat? Put on your favorite easy track, cool
>down and think tolerant thoughts.
>
>Ron, maybe you've got some sort of good vibes candle to burn on your altar?

as someone pointed out before most people here access the net at work. they
are pissed off to be inside during the hot weather.
as for stereotypes irish being drunks? i can only speak for myself, and that
never after about 10. but mormons on bicycles? over here they walk (with big
white teeth and fresh skin), kinda funny they use bikes in the country who's
car addiction broke the sky....
welcome to the list, normal service will be resumed soon...
rob


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:30:35 PDT
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) la guepe

i don't know if i mentioned this record before, i recently bought a
collection of french 7ts library music
'la guepe' volume 2 on dare dare records (a division of something else, if
anyone's interested i'll get the label details at home).
i'd kind of let it languish and dug it out last night (with a roland kirk
album i'd only listened to once, which has wonderful spots) and found it to
be a wonderful brew of cheesy funk / french moog, exotica funk (bird calls,
faux african chants). thoroughly recommended to anyone who goes for library
music. there's a cut by 'roger roger' on it, i seem to remember people
mentioning him before (it's a not great drum and tympani piece meant to
illustrate a rugby player from an album of sports themed music). one for
dancefloor and party (though the recording / pressing quality is not great
in places).

enjoy the music
rob


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 05:47:51 PDT
From: "Albert Fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Exotic Connecticut

  Anyone know of a good record-hunting place in or near Niantic, CT?

Thanks for the spanks.

Heavy Kevy


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:54:41 +0100 (BST)
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

><< I would like to make it clear that although I listen to
> Esquivel and Martin Denny on occasion, I do in fact think
> they *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music.  >>

I just wanted to be the face of diplomacy here and first say that I don't
think Steve's comments are meant to be that harsh. I know what he means
about it being a bit "cheesy". Some Denny and Esquivel is a bit cringing,but
some is amazing. I happen to like sunshine pop, which is sickly sweet at
times. That is kinda what I enjoy, but my "serious" side sometimes goes
"Jill! What the hell are you listening to!" Then I remember, "good melodies,
fun lyrics, good arrangements...not cheese" We are predisposed to what is
"cheese". Society tells us that, and it is a constant struggle to remember
that "Macarena" is cheese,not bird calls.

I also sometimes have problems with the "look of lounge" although I also
really like it, and even pander to it, but sometimes I think that I am
cheapening the music, that people think it is style over content. and it
clearly is NOT. I know I've been born 30 years too late,and I have a lot of
modern things within my retro styling. Still being unique without falling
into trappings.

So I think I know how Steve feels. Sometimes you get a bit sickened by the
stylized labelling, but I know how Tiki B feels too. Both are totally valid.
But I don't think either have meant to be insulting.

Smokin' the peace pipe,

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:43:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jane Fondle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim!

"What you are about to read is a true story.  Only my
measurements have been changed to protect the
overly-active imaginations..."

OK, I feel like mom, here, saying, IF YOU KIDS DON'T
BEHAVE, WE'RE PULLN' THIS CAR OVER *RIGHT NOW*!"

Regarding this whole "lounge-n-fashion" thing, I also
eschew the term "lounge" to describe what I like...I
think "easy listening" is funnier, but I don't use it
all the time, and it certainly is not often accurate.
Do I dress up at Combustible Edison shows, for
instance?  You betcher Sweet Aunt Agnes I do, whoever
she is.  I have been buying vintage clothes, aka
cocktail-wear though, for about 17 years and have worn
the same leapord and velvet outfits to Com Ed as I
used to wear to see punk and hardcore shows.  I just
like to dress up, ain't nothing wrong with looking
purty.
But when I used to live in Tampa, there was a
way-goofy "lounge" art show one night, upon which I
chose to pull out my faded Ramones shirt for the
occasion.  So, I know how people feel about attaching
too many cliches to something.

Are there tikis and fezes and rocket ships in my
house?  Again, Aunt Agnes, your on centre stage!  I AM
AN AESTHET,I cry from the hills.

And I am, as Brian Wilson once said, filled with an
"open to the positive, loving vibes of the universe."

Jane Fondle, Love Provider....

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:07:51 +0100
From: Andrew Edgar <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here

    Bon Jovi and Chicago  No  doubt  ,and other not cheesy, "serious"
Music=20

> > [e-mail] writes:
> >
> > << I would like to make it clear that although I listen to
> >  Esquivel and Martin Denny on occasion, I do in fact think
> >  they *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music.  >>
> >
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:30:25 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Danny Jannsen

Peter Risser wrote:
>
> Does anyone know who this cat is?  Apparently, he wrote the tunes that
> played during some of the chases on the Scooby Doo show.
>
> Does he have any pedigree beyond that?  Was he part of Our Gang or the
> Archies or anything like that?  Anyway, it's not really Soft Pop, but
> is pretty good bubblegum music, with cuts like "I'm in Love with an
> Ostrich".

I believe he wrote for Bobby Sherman, and
if that's not "pedigree", what is?

- --

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:33:01 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Josie and the Pussycats

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Funny you should mention this.  I was just pulling up his stuff on All Music.
>  He co-wrote with Bobby Hart (of Boyce & Hart) much of the Josie & the
> Pussycats music (creme de la creme of bubblegum says me).  He was not a
> member of the Archie gang, nor Spanky as far as I know.

Have Josie & the Pussycats songs been re-issued on
any CD, though?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:13:09
From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rumors about the death of my website are greatly exaggerated

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:53:17 -0400
>From: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) Brad??
>
>Looks like the Exotica Standards site is dead...1
>(http://www.netrail.net/~bbigelow/homepage.htm)
>
>- -Kevin Crossman
>
>
>Is that true?  Brad's still here, aren't ya?  Please?
>Jane Fondle
>

Yes, the site is alive and well, still being added to.  I plan to move it
to its own domain (www.spaceagepop.com) eventually.  Paid for the
name--just need to find the time to rent a U-Haul truck, so to speak.

Unfortunately, Ms. McKnight-Trontz didn't check her links before
publication and now people who find the URL in "Exoticaquarium" think the
site is dead.  I moved from Netrail in June 1997, so the site's actually
been at Earthlink for more than half its existence.

I was never contacted by any of the authors of the three recent books on
exotica/lounge:  "Exoticaquarium," "Forever Lounge," or "The MusicHound
Guide to Lounge," despite the fact that all three plagiarize liberally from
my site.  As illustrations, I offer the following for comparison:

"Exoticaquarium's" "The Songs" (p.11) with my section on Space Age Pop
Standards:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/standard.htm

"Exoticaquarium's" section on Exotica (p. 39-45) with my discussion of
Exotica on:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/whatis.htm

"Exoticaquarium's page on Ernesto Lecuona with my pages on Lecuona and his
songs:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/lecuona.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/lecusong.htm

"Exoticaquarium's" list of artists (p.104-105) with the lists of composers
and performers covered on my site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/composer.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/performer.htm
(this is a harder comparison to make, since the book went off the lists I
had over two years ago, but you'll get the point)

MusicHound's article on Billy May with:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/may.htm

"Les is more," a listing of Les Baxter's film scores on page 37 of "Forever
Lounge" with:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/baxtfilm.htm

"Forever Lounge"'s samples of liner notes for Johnny Keating, Anita Kerr,
Morton Gould, Perrey and Kingsley, Andre Popp, Ferrante & Teicher, Arthur
Lyman, The Three Suns, and April Stevens with:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/prose.htm

...not to mention that I think I provided "Forever Lounge" with its primary
source for its discographies...

I mention all this just for the sake of setting the record straight.  I
don't do this for money in the first place, so I'm not going to make a
Federal case out of this.

OK, time to get off the soapbox.

Brad Bigelow
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:28:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Re:  Spanky pronouncement

In a message dated 7/29/99 8:27:19 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Hey, pops.
>I didn't intend them to be fightin' words.  More likely, educatin'
>words.

OK L'il Petey, thanks for the lesson. Next time put some content into your
curriculum!  I forgive you and have to add, its damned hot here PLUS I've
been on a serious Soft Pop binge lately, and the two groups in question are
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:41:16 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake  (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update)

At 12:19 AM 7/30/99, Michael Toth wrote:

>>* Perez Prado: "Jazz"
>>      CD, Orfeon, USA, 199?
>
>There are ZILLIONS of these Orfeon CDs of mostly late Prado material,
>with really overwhelming cross-over of uneven content between CDs. I've
>given up on them from sheer confusion.

Thanks, Michael! Do you know (or does anyone know), is there a CD reissue
of the RCA-Victor lp "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556)? I'm loco for this record but
my copy got mauled before I scooped it naked outta the thrift bin. Tunes
are:
Lullaby of Birdland          Maria Bonita
=46light of the Bumblebee      Cu-Cu-Rru-Cu-Cu
Leo's Special                La Borrachita
Come Back to Sorrento        Machaca
=46ireworks                    Adios Mi Chaparrita
Marta

I second Michael's remarks about STAY AWAKE, the Disney cover compilation,
although my fav cut is Sun Ra doing Pink Elephants on Parade. And Ringo
crooning When You Wish Upon a Star makes me tear up....*blush*. It's
another Hal Willner mix -- the boy genius from Philly who also produced
terrific tribute records of the music of:
Kurt Weill (can't find the record for the title)
Nino Rota     AMARCORD     Hannibal      84
Thelonius Monk  THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL NOW   A&M      81
I came to count on Hal to match musicians with material in unexpected ways
that sound right on target after a few listens. Like Shockabilly covering
Monk's Criss Cross.

Anyone know what Willner is up to these days?

TIA, Mimi





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