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exotica-digest         Wednesday, July 7 1999         Volume 02 : Number 441



In This Digest:

(exotica) weekend in cleveland part eight
(exotica) Phase 4-- are they worth it??
(exotica) Weekend in cleveland part eight
(exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
Re: (exotica) Weekend in Cleveland - the movie..
(exotica) The Truman Show Tiki
Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
(exotica) [obit] Bob Lucas
(exotica) The "Sleepwalking/Sensational" Guitars of Dan & Dale?
Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
(exotica) Sweden: Heaven and Hell.....
RE: (exotica) Sweden: Heaven and Hell.....
(exotica) To do while bored at work....
Re: (exotica) Weekend in Cleveland - the movie..
(exotica) Music trading....
Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
(exotica) Zippy's relevance to Nat's adventures
(exotica) Bells
(exotica) Moonraker
(exotica) Organs
Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog
RE: (exotica) Organs
Re: (exotica) Organs
Re: (exotica) Scott Baio, me, Mario and the luncheon meat
Re: (exotica) Re: Scott Baio, me, Mario and the luncheon meat

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 03:53:15 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) weekend in cleveland part eight

I probably lugged at least three hundred records upstairs.
And then the haggling began.
But before we could haggle, I separated the records into piles.  One pile
for all the doubles.  One for all the "true lounge" as I saw it.  The
records I was pretty sure I would get.  The records with, in my opinion,
little connection to "jazz".
A pile for all the groovy "fake jazz" records, organ records, vibe records,
Latin stuff.
And a pile for the stuff I doubted I would get.
I think I also made a pile for the stuff that was neither lounge nor jazz.
A reissue of the first Fugs record.  (Got that one.)  A couple of
Impressions records.  (Got those too.  I'm a huge Curtis Mayfield fan, as
you'll find out if you ever see my film.)
And there were five records that I managed to hide in "my room", off the
livingroom where the haggling took place.  These were the records I had to
get, the records I would insist on taking if it came to it.
Once we started going through the records, I started breaking down the
records into subpiles according to how much I was willing to pay him.
A quarter, fifty cents, a dollar and "more than a dollar".
And I had it all worked out.  I'd pay a quarter for a "minor" lounge record
or a good one, not in great shape.
Fifty cents for a good lounge record or a jazz record not in good shape.
A minor lounge record would be something by Frances Bay or Hugo
Winterhalter or most of the Marty Golds or this Paul Weston one - "Music
for Dreaming" - that I was only buying for the cover.
A good one would be a Puente or a Prado or this one by my (and Jane's) hero
Michel Legrand, "Michel Legrand In Rio", which I actually would have passed
up until Herb told me the secret about that record.
John Coltrane plays on it.  Don't ask me how Herb knows but if he says so,
it's true.
And I was only getting this one because of course, Herb had three copies.
(If you don't have it, it's got a great version of "Caravan" but I can't
hear Coltrane's sound on it.)
I didn't only put jazzy stuff in the dollar pile.  I also put the Esquivels
that were in good shape there.  (The more beaten one was in the fifty cent
pile.  And in those cases, we agreed actually.)
I also put the Pete Rugolo in the dollar pile.  Not that I thought he
belonged there but there was this beautiful one with some title including
"Percussion" and I figured I had to compromise in order to get it.  (I
didn't get it anyway.)
Almost right away, Herb took a couple of the quarter records and threw them
on the reject pile.  "I can get fifty cents for these", he said.
And I felt like walking away at that point.  That really pissed me off and
later it would come to haunt me.
But I kept going.  There was all the work I'd done in the basement.  There
was my friend and his record store back in Toronto.  And there was "The
Party" which had become some sort of holy grail for me, even though I have
the best cuts on a Mancini LP compilation.
All I can say is that the reject pile was growing faster than my pile.
There were a lot of records I refused to pay more than a quarter for that
if I saw them tomorrow, I might pay a dollar.
But I had come down there on the express understanding that I would get
some records for a quarter.  It was a direct quote from Herb.
And I had also come down on the implication that I was doing him a favour.
He had begged me to come down there for months.  Help clear some of the
records out of his house.  Get his wife off his back... which I did but not
in the way I expected.
At one point, I went outside for a smoke and ended up sharing the porch
with his wife who was shovelling down her dinner because she had to leave
any second.
I asked her if I could take her and the kid - who I'd barely seen either -
for breakfast the next day before we left.  No, she had to take the kid
somewhere early.
So I thanked her for her hospitality and with that, she launched into a
lengthy discussion of Herb's failings.
I defended him as much as I could, trying to highlight the humour in her
stories.  She actually laughed once.
Later I found out that when she went back inside, she told Herb that I had
said some nice things about him and then she smiled at him.
"First time she did that in months", he told me later.
And as thanks, he gave me some record he said he would have otherwise kept.

The negotiations took about two hours.  I got a lot of records but got
rejected on a whole bunch more.
When we were finished, I remembered the five records in my room and brought
them out.  "I have to get these five.  After all the rejections, you've got
to let me have these".
Herb was unmoved as he examined them.
"Dylan Jazz".  Right up my alley.  Probably bad, inappropriate
jazz-influenced covers of Dylan tunes.  And the band weren't even jazz
musicians.  The guitarist was Glen Campbell.
Herb throws it on the reject pile.
"It's not even jazz," I protest.
Herb shrugs.
"You really want a record with a cover of Like a Rolling Stone???"
"It's not what they cover, " Herb parries, "It's how they play it".
(Which is true but still...)
"Did you see who's playing guitar?  Glen Campbell"
"That's why I want it", he retorts.
(Someday Herb'll do a piece for the Boston Globe on the "free jazz" roots
of Glen Campbell.)
Must have number two: Jack Costanzo "Naked City"
(The bongo king doing crime jazz classics?  To die for.)
Jack hits the reject pile.  No explanation.
Must have's three and four.  Both by Pete Rugolo.  One of them called
something like "Music for Hi Fi Bugs" with pictures of bugs on the cover.
Rejected.  Some guy Herb likes is on it.
Next Rugolo is the must-have to end must-have's.  "Music out of Space" or
something to that effect with this great picture of Pete in a space helmet.
This one Herb takes to the turntable, looking for jazz solos to show me why
he needs to keep it.
When he can't find any solos, he puts it on the reject pile anyway.
"I like Pete Rugolo", he tells me.  "He did a lot of great arranging for
Stan Kenton".
I'm dying at this point.
Must have number five.  "Fantasy for Girl and Orchestra".
I don't really know who Phil Moore was but I've heard his name on this list
in the context of some classic exotica record.  Never seen anything by him
before.
And this one I would want for the cover alone.
First Herb tells me there might be some jazz content on it but when he
plays it, he can't find any.  The few moments I hear - the narration by
"the girl" for instance - make me want it even more.
Then he tells me that it's a very rare record and that he can't let it go
for a buck.  I'd already paid him three whole dollars for his spare copy of
Alice Coltrane "With Strings" and two dollars for a couple of records so in
desperation, I offered him three dollars for the girl and her fantasy.
"I could get at least seven".
No fucking way I was going to pay seven even if the record was worth a
hundred.
So that was that.  Zero out of five on my must-have's.

We added it up.
A hundred records for fifty cents.  Forty for a quarter.  And forty for a
dollar or more.  One hundred and eighty records for one hundred and eight
American dollars.

epilogue to follow...




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:11:01 +0200
From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Phase 4-- are they worth it??

Hi everyone,
I've notices that a shop in my hometown in Italy has recently put on
display some cds of a series called Phase 4 (by RCA, I think) with
compilation of lounge / nstrumental studd from the 60's... I noticed a
Frank Chacksfield album with his classic sea-themed tracks like Ebb Tide...
most of the titles are devoted to piano music I don't think I've ever
listened to, then I noticed the Sound of Music soundtrack and a cd of
Chacksfield playing the Beatles... all the discs are nice price titles
(btw-- in Italy cds are NOT cheap... :((()
I think they have been published in 1995/96.
I was wondering if anyone knew of these... I'm particularly curious about
the Beatles cd...

bye,
Nicola / DjB

visit http://www.mp3.com/alessandroni
El Puro DAM CD has been published!


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:39:18 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Weekend in cleveland part eight

The scary thing about Nat's story is that can see myself heading in that
direction: Accumulating too many records to ever play and never being able
to let any of them go even though I'd never miss them if they were gone
(although knowing they were gone would be a terrible pain).
I don't understand why you've got the hump about Herb though Nat. 180
records for $108 seems a very good deal, especially if they're picked out
of someone's collection. And can you blame Herb for not selling a Dave Pike
record at that price?
Charlie





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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 05:01:52 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

Note: Somehow I just erased the just-completed epilog.  Don't have a clue
how it happened.  So this will not be as good as it could have been.

That night my travelling buddy wanted to hear some live music.  I just
wanted to bitterly complain about my experience with Herb but I figured I
owed him for putting up with the two of us and our day long haggle.
It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.  For one thing, it was the first
bar we went to in Cleveland that didn't feel like the college football team
and their cheerleader girlfriends celebrating after the big game.
But I was in a lousy, bitter mood.
That moment where Herb threw a record on the reject pile because I was only
offering a quarter and somewhere there was someone who someday would give
him fifty cents for it.  That kept running through my head and everytime it
did, I would whine some complaint at my buddy.
Herb kept telling me all through the ordeal that I shouldn't complain.
"You're getting a lot of bargains here", he told me.
And that was true, I guess.
"But I didn't drive down here and stay in that house with him and his wife
in order to get a bargain on some records.  I didn't go through that
basement for five hours so I could get some bargains.  Sure I hoped that
would happen and sure, I was determined to get the best price I could.  But
that wasn't why I came down here.  I came down because I thought I was
doing him a favor.  I came down because for the last year he's been phoning
and begging me to come down and take some records off his hands.  I
wouldn't have come here just to get a few bargains on records".
At some point Herb had decided to sell me a Chaino record.  "Jungle
Echoes". Only after determining that it had no jazz solos.  It was some
kind of compromise after rejecting a Machito record I wanted.
But he wanted a buck for it.  Not the normal fifty cents I was paying for
non-jazz.
"I sold one of these to another guy from Toronto and I made him pay three
bucks", Herb informed me as if to emphasize the bargain he was giving me.
"What do I care what he charged that guy", I said to my buddy later that
night.  Indignantly.  "What do I care what he charges some client of a
dealer friend of his?  There's no comparison between me and that guy!"
"Sure I got some good records", I continued.  "Sure I got some bargains.
But I came down here to take a LOT of records out of his house and he
turned me down on more than half of them.  Half the records he rejected are
going to go back down in the basement and never be seen or heard again."
And so it went.  All night long with my buddy and all night by myself as I
lay on that frigging futon for one last night.
I slept a couple of hours and awoke with a headache.  Too much teeth
gnashing I guess.
But apparently I wasn't the only one who had thoughts running through his
head all night for just as I rolled out of bed, Herb entered "my room".
"I've got a few surprises for you", he said and then quickly added.  "Not
big surprises mind you.  But I think you're going to be happy."
He felt a little guilty and wanted to make up for things.
The only surprise I remember was that Marty Gold "Swings out west" record
which I had found my first night there.  Somehow or other, that record had
disappeared and wasn't around two days later when we got down to the actual
purchasing.  I didn't think it was a coincidence but Herb assured me he had
just temporarily misplaced it.
Oh and he decided he was going to "let" me purchase the Phil Moore record.
And as he came up with those few modest surprises, we shared our respective
versions of the previous day.
What it came down to was this.  Herb did this all the time.  He'd been
doing it for years.  People came to his house and bought records.
So there was this record-haggling "mode" that he just automatically went
into, friend or foe.  He'd tried to be as friendly as he could be but when
he was in the mode, he was in the mode.
Herb had assumed the same thing about me.  He had assumed that I did stuff
like this all the time.  But I had never done it before.
Sure I'd been around records a lot and done a bit of haggling at used
record stores, on both sides of the counter recently.  And maybe I had some
kind of predisposition to haggling, not the supposedly genetic kind but the
kind that comes from being a sarcastic, argumentative bastard.
But even if I had done it before, I wasn't expecting to do it that weekend.
Herb had figured he was dealing with a veteran like himself and met force
with force.
But even while I was trying to get records from him as cheap as I could, I
hadn't come down there to engage in a battle OR a game.  When I felt him go
into battle mode, I had tried to respond in kind.
But I didn't enjoy it.  Not like he did.
All we could do at that point was agree to disagree.
"So maybe you will come back someday after all?", he asked me.
"Maybe.  If you need someone to run interference with your wife".
"All you did was buy me fifteen minutes of peace.  At the most", he told me
with a pained expression.  More pained than usual.
"As soon as she comes back and sees you're gone, she'll make up for it".

We went for breakfast.  Herb didn't eat but he came to keep us company.
And we talked about the previous day some more.  I still wasn't satisfied.
"Those Rugolo records.  I told you I really wanted them.  You told me they
have some tenuous connection to jazz.  Sure, maybe they do.  But you and I
both know that with all those great jazz records all over your house, you
will never ever play those records again.  Guaranteed!"
Herb gave in a bit and nodded.
"What can I say?  So I'm a bit compulsive".
And at that I smiled and gave up.

But Herb wasn't finished.  Back at the house, as my buddy and I gathered
our belongings, Herb started GIVING me records.
In return, I agreed to look for a few things he was looking for but I would
have done that anyway.

Herb GAVE me:

An Art Van Damme ten inch with a cool Martini-depicting cover.
A Nelson Riddle record that I always wanted for the cover.  "Sea of Dreams"

then it got a lot better.  He gave me a record we had discussed the
previous day but which he wanted big money for.  Even though he had a
spare.  He believed it was too big a deal to give away for a buck or even
three.

He gave me "Eleven Against the Ice", a TV soundtrack by my sorta hero
Kenyon Hopkins.  Still haven't played it but I like having it.  Can't
imagine that an iceberg picture will have a crime jazz soundtrack but you
never know.

I was about to tell him that he had made me happy with that one but then he
gave me another one.  Something I hadn't even seen the previous day, let
alone asked for.

Quincy Jones' soundtrack for "The Hot Rock".  Can always use another Quincy
soundtrack.

"Are you happy now?" he asked.
"More than happy", I told him.
But then I spied two copies of a record, leaning near him.
"Were you going to give me one of those too?", I asked him.
And he sheepishly admitted that he had been.
So he examined them to see which was the copy in worse shape and then gave
me Nino Rota's soundtrack to "La Dolce Vita".

I told him he could stop with that one and so he did, with some relief.
Who knows what else he was prepared to give me but at that point I wanted
to hit the road more than get another record.

And that's what we did.

So what else did I get besides another lesson in the murky world of record
collecting?

Well in a few cases, it's hard to remember whether I got the record from
Herb or from the stores but I'll give the highlights I can say for sure.

Those Esquivels I told you about, one of which I'll keep and the rest'll go
to my friend's store.
"The Party".  (And I think I'm about to get that Bill Plummer solo LP)
A few Cal Tjader's including "Soul Burst".
An early Townes Van Zandt.  Don't know what that was doing there but I'm a
huge Townes fan.  It's sort of folk-rock for those who are unfamiliar.
Van Dyke Parks "Discovering America" which I'm actually letting my friend
sell.  And I'm pretty sure I have a copy somewhere.  I think we can get
forty bucks for it but God knows why.
A couple of Prado's and Puente's.
Reissue of the first Fugs record.
A bunch of Shirley Scott, Jack McDuff and Johnny Lytle, though many are
probably too beat for a normal person.  (But not for an "acid jazz" DJ
somewhere.)
The soundtrack for "The Subterraneans".  Looks like a potential crime jazz
thing.
Ron Goodwin's "Music for an Arabian night".  (Could be an exotica classic
to go along with the George Cates and Martin Denny records I got elsewhere.)
That "Al hirt meets the Green Hornet" which I told you about before.
A stereo copy - in great shape - of the "I want to live" soundtrack to
replace my somewhat beat mono copy.  (I've always wanted to know.  Among
"serious" collectors of soundtracks or lounge/exotica, which is more
valued?  The stereo or the mono?)
An almost complete set of Howard Roberts groovy sixties organ quartet
records, some of which may soon be winging their way to England for that
minor co-star of mine in Hugh's movie version of this past weekend.
A couple of Herbie Mann's including "London Underground" where he plays the
Stones tune "Bitch" along with Mick Taylor and Aynsley Dunbar.

I also learned some lessons but I don't think I have the energy right now
to figure out what they were.

And right now, I'm sick of records, which can't be a bad thing.

And we on the exotica list got our first serialized novella whether we
wanted it or not.

Questions?



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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:24:10 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Weekend in Cleveland - the movie..

> >> Yes...but ours will be in the "x" rated version, naturally.
> >
> >Does that mean that Tinky Winky will appear too?
>
> Maybe I'm a bit slow but...who is tinky winky?????
>
> And how did HE get in on OUR act!

YAAAAAAAAAAWN!!!!!

Mo




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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:43:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) The Truman Show Tiki

What was the name of the fake seaside village in "The Truman Show" ? Can you
help me with that?


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:28:11 -0400
From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

Nat and Herb, locked in a strange dance of death, a cat-and-mouse
carousel from which no one emerges unchanged.

It's Heart of Darkness, Shane, Straw Dogs and Sleuth, a story of
barren marriages, dank basements and maybe -- just maybe -- lessons
learned.

Thank you, Nat.

Will (who really is getting on a plane to Sydney in four hours)
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Will Straw, PhD
Associate Professor and Director, Graduate Program in Communications
McGill University

http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/gpc/



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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:44:46 -0400
From: "Dom Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

Nat wrote.

>And we on the exotica list got our first serialized novella whether we
>wanted it or not.
>
>Questions?


Excellent story. Thank you, for taking the time to tell us.  Your experience
speaks for all of us. You are a true kindred spirit.

I think you should polish this up a bit with an eye to having it published
and sent it over to Dana Countryman of Cool and Strange Music Magazine.



>"That's a jazz record", he says.
>"It's just Mancini", I protest.  "A soundtrack.  If that's not lounge, I
>don't know what is".
>He turns it over.  "Look who's on it.  Plas Johnson, Jack Sheldon, Ray
>Brown.  It's a jazz record".


Thanks again!
Domenic
Martinis with Mancini WJUL 91.5
http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Booth/8007/




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:35:34 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) [obit] Bob Lucas

                             *Bob Lucas
    SEBASTOPOL, Calif. (AP) -- Bob Lucas, a jazz pianist who played with greats
such as Dave Brubeck and Dinah Shore, died Sunday of leukemia, two weeks
after his final performance, with Eddie Fisher. He was 60.
    Two weeks ago, a frail Lucas, battling a 102-degree fever, accompanied
Fisher in a performance in San Francisco that was filmed by Dateline NBC for
a piece on Fisher's attempted comeback.
    Lucas discovered jazz when his father invited Louis Armstrong to stay at
the family hotel after other hotels refused to rent a room to the black
musician.
    Lucas passed up a scholarship at the New York Light Opera Company for life
as a jazz musician. He came to California in 1968, playing at clubs in the
San Francisco area.
    In the late 1970s he took over the foundering Russian River Jazz Festival
and brought it back to life in a few years.
    Lucas was well-known for his charity work, playing at events such as AIDS
and cancer benefits, dropping by nursing homes or anywhere he could gather
an audience.




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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:48:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) The "Sleepwalking/Sensational" Guitars of Dan & Dale?

I'm back again from the, "It sure as hell ain't new, but it's new to me." -
Department with the album "Somewhere My Love" by The 'Sensational Guitars of
Dan & Dale on Diplomat Records DS 2395.

I just got it and to my surprise it's a pretty good album.  Every song has
this Hawaiian electric guitar overtone, with electric piano/organ thrown in
for good measure. Their version of "Greensleeves" is very slow and cool.  And
"Walk On Home" & "Cool, Cool Night" are both great and somewhat bluesy with
their combination of guitar and electric organ/piano.  The highlight of the
album for me is "Blue Hour" which is an amazing, dark little surf rock number.

Hey list, what's the history on these guys and is the rest of their stuff
this as good as this album?

- -Roy


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:48:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

In a message dated 7/7/99 9:41:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> I think you should polish this up a bit with an eye to having it published
>  and sent it over to Dana Countryman of Cool and Strange Music Magazine.

I think you should polish this up a bit with an eye to having it published
and send it over to Patrick A. McGuire the Sr. Editor at the American
Psychological Association.  I think it would make a brilliant article on
obsessive/compulsive disorder.

- -Roy


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:50:26 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Sweden: Heaven and Hell.....

Is this soundtrack available on CD???

I've got the 2 LP set, but the arrangement of songs (the tracks as they =
sit on sides A, B, etc....) is atrocious......I'd love to be able to =
re-program them......

- - Nate




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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:16:22 -0400
From: "telstar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Sweden: Heaven and Hell.....

Nathan Asked...

Is this soundtrack available on CD???

I've got the 2 LP set, but the arrangement of songs (the tracks as they sit
on sides A, B, etc....) is atrocious......I'd love to be able to re-program
them......

Yes it is. "Svezia - Inferno e Paradiso" (Easy Tempo ET 901 CD), and was
available through Dustygrooves last time I looked.

Allan

++++Unusual Music+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Mondo Bongos" Wednesdays 9 - 10 am on CFRU 93.3 fm in Guelph, Ontario,
Canada
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:27:34 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) To do while bored at work....

Go to ebay and look for "Matchbooks" - you can get some cool retro/lounge/t=
iki advertising art and use it for "tiled" wallpaper!!!

On a similar note - where's all the tiki/polynesian related graphics for =
PC enhancement (free on the net that is....).

Bored at work -

Nate




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 03:52:34 PDT
From: Robert McKenna <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Weekend in Cleveland - the movie..

>
> > >> Yes...but ours will be in the "x" rated version, naturally.
> > >
> > >Does that mean that Tinky Winky will appear too?
> >
> > Maybe I'm a bit slow but...who is tinky winky?????
> >
> > And how did HE get in on OUR act!
tinky winky is the gay teletubbie (got sacked), i have a feeling la-la was
meant (of tiocfaidh ar la la fame) due to the yellow....
rob, who has spent too much time looking after kids


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:36:55 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Music trading....

Well, my new system is up and running - so I'm all set to swap tapes.

If you'd be interested in trading just e-mail me and we'll expand our =
audio horizons!!!

- - Nate




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:15:45 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

At 10:48 AM 7/7/99 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>I think you should polish this up a bit with an eye to having it published
>and send it over to Patrick A. McGuire the Sr. Editor at the American
>Psychological Association.  I think it would make a brilliant article on
>obsessive/compulsive disorder.

Which is the obsessive part, the attachment to records or my writing of the
story?

In any case, I'm sure Mr. McGuire would point out that Herb and I exhibited
the qualities of obsessional neurosis.  Obsessive/compulsive is something
else.

Nat



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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:21:16 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Zippy's relevance to Nat's adventures

Today's (Wednesday) Zippy comic seems oddly relevant to Nat's Cleveland adventure:

http://www.sfgate.com/sf/zippy/


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:27:02 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bells

What is it with French musicians and big clanging bells?

Jean Jacques Perrey - EVA
Pierre Henry - Psyche Rock
Jacques Loussier - Ballet Photo Rouge or is it Clara's Jerk from You Only
Love Once
and now Michel LeGrand - last track on The Thomas Crown Affair soundtrack.

The same bells, all French, (to use a good ole US phrase), what gives?

Charlie





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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:57:29 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Moonraker

Now, most of the Bond films have re-cycled themes, and forgettable =
background "suspense."  Mostly, the main theme song is the winner, and has =
already been released as a comp that way.

Anyway, if you see Moonraker for cheap, pick it up.  I'll confess I like =
the dopey vocal main theme, and the background music is in the "spacey, =
relaxing" vein and quite listenable.  Also there's an end title reprise of =
the theme song in a hipped up disco version that's fun too!

Where areeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuu - where have you gooooooone.........

- - Nate




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:20:44 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Organs

For the benefit of us novices, can someone please post a short
note describing the differences between

a) Hammond organs
b) Lowery organs
c) Wurlitzer organs
d) any other notable organs

Many thanks,
Hugh.


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:33:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

In a message dated 7/7/99 12:15:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Which is the obsessive part, the attachment to records or my writing of the
>  story?

Nat,
No I wasn't refering to you at all, just "The Herb".

>  In any case, I'm sure Mr. McGuire would point out that Herb and I exhibited
>  the qualities of obsessional neurosis.  Obsessive/compulsive is something
>  else.

Well, the large team of psychologists, psychiatrists and orderlies that wake
me up every morning say that "The Herb's" hoarding is a symptom of either
obsessive compulsive disorder or obsessive compulsive personality disorder.
In fact they'd like to do a case study on him, but they're scared that they
might be crushed under falling stacks of records, or bitten by a rabid mouse.

By the way I loved the story and I can totally relate.

- -Roy




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:39:20 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) weekend in cleveland epilog

>Well, the large team of psychologists, psychiatrists and orderlies that wake
>me up every morning say that "The Herb's" hoarding is a symptom of either
>obsessive compulsive disorder or obsessive compulsive personality disorder.
>In fact they'd like to do a case study on him, but they're scared that they
>might be crushed under falling stacks of records, or bitten by a rabid mouse.

Is a completist equally obsessive?

Hugh.


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:16:55 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Organs

Very oversimplified and straightforwardly as my memory serves me,
corrections and different opinions are welcome...


a) Hammond organs are the original totally "electric" home organ.
Originally considered to be a piece of furniture, and featuned in movies
from the 1940s with women playing songs like "Tico Tico" on them, they
gained popularity in the late 60s and 70s as a rock and roll instrument.
Rocker organists like Kieth Emerson of The Nice and later of Emerson, Lake
and Palmer and John Lord of Deep Purple redefined the concer rock sound with
overdriven and distorted screaming Hammond B-3 organs.

b) Lowery organs were the competition to Hammond organ starting in the
1950s.  Lowery gained popularity with what is now called "Lounge" music with
players like Lenny Dee.  Also originally more furniture-like, Lowery
branched out to include concert sized models for small professional venues.
Many of these models were purchased for taverns and Elks clubs, where many
still sit today.  The later model Lowrey organs are geared toward home use.

c) Wurlitzer organs were the answer to churches and other large venues thatr
could not afford pipe organs.  Wurlitzer started their keyboard business
around the turn of the century with "Nickelodeons"; player pianos with built
in  drums and violins that were coin operated.  They began to include small
pipes in some of these machines, then they developed an electric organ.
This is the sound most familiar to baseball fans too...

d) any other notable organs include the Farfisa, a small portable and
inexpensive solution for the small combo, it is the epitome of the 1960's
garage and surf sound.  The Vox Continental, which shares a similar niche,
it was used extensively by Ray Manzarek of The Doors.  And not necessarily
an organ, but somewhere in between a piano and a synthesizer was the
Mellotron.  Used extensively by The Moody Blues on their In Search of the
Lost Chord and Days of Future Passed albums, it used individual recordings
of orchestras, strings of brass placed on magnetic tape under each key.
When the key was depressed, a tape transport was engaged and the recording
played for as long as 8 seconds.

Hope this helps

Check out Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation (with Farfisa organs) at
http://www.brimstones.com

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:28:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Organs

In a message dated 7/7/99 3:19:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> Mellotron.
In case you want a further example of mellotron, it is the keyboard used by
The Beatles on Strawberry Fields Forever -- and by John Lennon on  amny very
enjoyable unreleased home recordings.

It is my understanding that very few working Mellotron's exist today and they
are quite expensive if you can find one.

Best wishes,
Larry


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:42:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Scott Baio, me, Mario and the luncheon meat

In a message dated 07/07/99 1:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< You asked.

 Nat >>

Now I have got to say it.  This is best story I have heard (except maybe the
one about the lava wall falling and killing one of Don Ho's stage hands) on
the Exotica List.

I will never look a luncheon meat the same way.

Tiki Bob


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:01:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Scott Baio, me, Mario and the luncheon meat

In a message dated 7/6/99 9:17:13 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<now THAT was funny.>>

Yes, I thoroughly enjoyed that story. Did Scott have anything to say about
any of this? He always "seemed" like he'd be a nice enough guy.
Gloria



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