> temporary mind erase - warning - what's it called?????? something about the Tropics or Paradise or, or, DAMMIT!!!! Well, the cover has a close-up of a "Native Girl" - Maybe it's "Lure of the Tropics" but I'm probably wrong.
No, you're right. And it's a beautiful album.
Marco
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 13:06:09 -0500
From: recliner <recliner@ime.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Battle of the Lushies
>
>And as long as I am grumbling about orchestral exotica, can I just mention
>Marty Gold for a second? Recently I slogged through 5 whole LPs of
>his--including the premier Stereo Action release--and the only one that =
did
>anything for me was _Sticks and Bones_ (RCA Vik). How can it be that the
>guy who was the brains behind a lot of Three Suns and Stereo Action albums
>ended up producing such boring music on his own? Has anybody else ever
>found any Marty Gold LPs worth listening to?
=B3Skin Tight=B2 is my pick for the Marty Gold album that stand out =
above the rest. But then it is basically a percussion album so it=B9s =
hard to do wrong.
As you admit to not being too keen on the lush orchestral stuff it =
make sense that you might not find redemption in Gold=B9s =
arrangements. Granted Gold=B9s arrangements aren=B9t as *complex* as =
Les Baxter=B9s but there is definitely something going on there.
I find myself getting more into this orchestral stuff, it seems that =
the more subtle aspects of the music is really coming through. To me =
what makes Marty Gold=B9s stuff a little difficult to get into is =
that it seems that he really doesn=B9t have a =B3signature sound=B2. =
In other words if I blindly listened to orchestral arrangements by =
Les Baxter, Marty Gold, Hugo Winterhalter and Leroy Holmes, all of =
whom I am very familiar with, I would venture to say that Gold=B9s =
piece would be the hardest to detect. Still I really like his work.It =
obviously doedn=B9t get too wierd of quirky but sometimes the =
straight orchestral stuff suits me fine.
Sometimes I wonder if I will stray into the land of Kostelanas...but =
then I=B9ll hear a piece of his and get very nauseous.
Is I just me or do other people have this reaction to the 101 strings =
etc. stuff.
When I was 5-10 my dentist piped in this kind of music so I my be =
unconsciously associating it with that experience.
But I=B9m straying from the topic aren=B9t I.
It=B9s always my gut reaction the draws the line on my musical tastes.
Frank
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:16:25 +0000
From: Moritz R <Moritz.Reichelt@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Germany (very long)
Hi Nat,
I don't know how interesting this discussion is to the rest of the list,
but to me it is very. I think we are even coming to a point. There is a
delete button on your computer keyboard, so...
Your last post contains some info about your education, that is quite
different from mine:
> It's complicated. I was raised with anti-German prejudices. I was also
> raised with a prejudice against anyone who wasn't Jewish.
>
I can only try to understand this. When I was raised I was told that it
is wrong to have prejudices against anybody, especially against jews. It
was deep and moral and it was explained to me that Germans had done
terrible things to the jews and that this must not ever happen again.
And I (and everybody) was shown the films about the concentration camps
for all my life. So, I was actually raised with a prejudice against
Germans. Against myself so to say. That must be hard to understand,
Nat....
> But at the same time, I also believe that it's not just some coincidence
> that the place it was centred was Germany.
>
> Do you really think that it was just something that happened and now it's
> over and there's nothing in the national character that helps explain why
> it happened there?
>
I really hope you don't believe there is some kind of human cruelty or
special susceptibility for totalitarian ideas based on nationality or...
I hesitate to say it, race. That would in my opinion be Nazi thinking,
racism. Not only have numerous experiments exhaustively proven that not
only in all nations, but all kinds of people regardless age, education,
sex, etc. are susceptible to obedience behaviour of the worst kind up to
be able of killing victims on demand, but also you should be aware that
such arguments can only create hate, suspicion, misunderstanding between
people forever and ever. We have enough examples here in Europe to have
reason to be very careful with such generalizations. Or do you believe
that either Catholics or Protestants are worse or better according to
violence behaviour in Northern Ireland f.e.? And even if, they are both
the same nationality. So...? And I'm not even talking about the fact
that it was a jewish "scientist", who in the 19th century coined the
racist term "Entartete Kunst", that the Nazis later used against all art
they didn't like. And that it was the English, who invented
concentration camps in South Africa.
I guess you relate to this recentely published American book, that
stated that the Germans were especially willing to follow the
totalitarian Nazi regime and executing the Holocaust. This book was
dicussed very controversal here for weeks and weeks and I don't think
that even in America this author could really get through with his
theories. But I must say I didn't read it.
It frightens me to hear so many Anti-German undertones from America
since 5 or so years and I wonder why it happens. They are the background
of my reaction to your march-posting. These Anti-German activities
remind me of the things that happened in the late 20s/early 30s before
the time of the 3rd Reich when some American banks were trying to
destroy the German economy by all means and helped create a public
sentiment in Germany that brought the Nazis into charge. I guess it's a
purely economical thing again.
There are these new accusations, like 2 years ago, that the German
government prosecutes Scientology like the Nazis did with the jews.
Celebrities placed ads in American papers that stated something like
that. Although I myself am less hysterical about Scientology than many
people here, I think it's so ridiculous and an insult against the real
victims of the 3rd Reich. Then there is this massive pressure against
German banks and car companies about reparation payments.
And there is Spielberg, an American director who likes to show the ugly
Germany of the past and devoted his last two big films to this idea. To
me this is very problematic. I'm not against showing the truth and it
cannot be said much against these films in particular, but I doubt that
the American public is told that the Germans of today have already
looked at their own past themselves for decades, have opened their eyes
to the most painful truths, have officially declared their guilt
numerous times, have created a massive generation gap over this topic
and have raised young generations that are as tolerant as those of any
other country. Spielberg's performance makes one think that without him
the truth would never have seen the light of day and that would just not
be true. Also I think that as a director from a country that committed
holocaust on the red indians, had slavery in the 20th century, dropped
atomic bombs on two cities, dropped more bombs on one small 3rd world
country than were dropped during the entire 2nd world war and last not
least had its president being killed without officially ever clearing up
who did it and why, that a director from such a country should find
enough stories in his own backyard before putting the blame on others.
Still Spielberg has recently recieved the Bundesverdienstkreuz, the
highest official honor you can get here from the hand of the president
of Germany.
> I'm not saying all this because I'm trying to promote some "it's important
> to learn from the past" idea.
>
I do think it's important to learn from the past, but don't forget to
look at the present!
> And as one "artist" to another - both of us coming from countries with
> national identities that we have to sort of fight against - I think I can
> sort of relate to the kinds of frustrations you have experienced.
>
I think I know too little about Canadian history to understand this, but
would be interested to learn more about it. Also about your art.
> It's hard to put it into words. But to this day you can still hear people
> putting on fake German accents and saying "You Vill listen to this and you
> Vill enjoy it!!!"
>
It's really funny and I remember joking around like that when I was
visiting American friends and earning big laughs. I really would like to
communicate with you and everybody in this list on this level of humor
and I believe we will. I mean, I used to just love Maxwell Smart and Mel
Brooks and I still think it's amazing that it was American jews who
could develop Nazi comedies like "The Producers" or "To Be Or Not to
Be". In Germany at the same time a director would not have been allowed
to make a film with funny Nazis. Too serious!
But I think it was kind of neccessary to trace back those undertones
that have slipped into our communication and have meanwhile revealed
their true origins. Now that I know more about you and the way you
think, I would probably react completely different on such sentences
like the one that caused this dispute.
Maybe this discussion wasn't exactely about Exotica, but it was
definitly something that can come up in an international mailing list
with people of very different backgrounds. I don't think we should
exclude such points if they arouse, even if it takes some time to work
it out. To me these differences make this list interesting and I only
wish that some of the guys from Italy, Sweden, Australia and wherever
would report more stories about their home countries.
If available, I recommend you to read what Mark Twain wrote about
Germany during his 2 year stay in Heidelberg. His remarks about opera,
Wagner, student corps, music in bars etc. are hilarious, very funny and
show the Germany of the 19th century long before all world wars and Nazi
regimes. They show a national character that is very similar to and very
different from what one expects. He wrote especially about a still
typical German "contradiction", the difference between "low"
entertainment popular music and the "high" serious academic
6-hours-opera culture of the such like Wagner, which Twain - in short-
fullheartedly hated. I sent a copy of the book to Brian...
And finally being back to the music:
> And as stupid as all that is, then you hear a bunch of James Last records
> and maybe it's just your imagination but it really does feel like you can
> hear some of that "German thing" you heard about in that insipid muzak.
>
James Last, who now calls himself "The Gentleman of Music", is the least
accepted orchestra leader among my friends and Easy/Exotica record
collectors. It is really Muzak and if you can hear something typical
post war German in it, then it must be this Zero-Identity, the total
assimilation into a middle-of-the road big band sound from nowhere.
Last's records are thrown after you on flea markets and nobody wants to
have them anymore.
And now my finger tips are bleeding.
Mo
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:33:13 +0000
From: Moritz R <Moritz.Reichelt@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Und Furthermore...
Brian Phillips wrote:
> The worst rendition of "Take Me Home, Country Roads" I ever heard was on a
> public access show on Judaica that featured a band that did a parody called
> "Jewish Food":
Country Road is used in a current TV ad for "KitKat", a choclate bar. The
story is: A farmer driving along a country road has picked up a folkish
looking hitchhiker with his guitar and now has to listen to his incredible
false singing of Country Road. Then they have to stop because the car is
surrounded by a huge sheepherd. They share a "Kit Kat" and there is one relief
moment of silence while the hiker eats. Then as expected he starts singing
again Country Road scaring away the sheep with his singing so they can
continue their drive. THAT version is really horrible! You won't forget it.
Mo
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:31:30 +0000
From: Moritz R <Moritz.Reichelt@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: (exotica) My German recommendations...
Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek wrote:
> > Re: Kriminal Tango
>
> I always thought that Hazy Osterwald was from Switzerland, not Germany.
> is this correct?
Tough question. I think he is German but lives in Switzerland now.
Ohne Gew=E4hr!
Mo
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:33:13 +0000
From: Moritz R <Moritz.Reichelt@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nutty Squirrels spotting
Thanks for your review of John Water's Pecker. I think I will give it a try.
> Now I have a question for you: I remember hearing (in the '80s) a version of "Fred >Vom Jupiter" sung in English by a woman. Do you know who it was? I was recently >>>telling a friend about it and he's *very* interested in finding it but I can't remember >the artist/group's name.
I think it can only be the English version by the Marinas themselves. Despite
it was an Andreas Dorau record that song both English and German was almost
entirely sung by these girls. I only thought that it was never published by
Mute. Maybe they put it on a compilation album or something. I don't have it.
I only have a tape with it and it sounds pretty horrible. I will ask Andreas
as I will meet him tomorrow anyway.
Mo
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:35:51 EDT
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: (exotica) Love is Goulet
Ringo Starr got Pete Best's gig, but still the combo was successful....And so
it was with Robert Goulet in Atlantic City. He displayed a sense of humor
about himself and his image that endeared him to me as I watched the movie (so
did Burt for that matter)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:52:01 +0100
From: "Robbie Baldock" <rcb@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: (exotica) New Free Design compilation out!
"Raindrops", the second volume in Spanish label Siesta's trilogy of
Free Design compilations is out today!
Details are below. If you'd like further information, please contact
Mateo at siesta@siesta.es or visit the Siesta website:
