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exotica-digest       Wednesday, October 7 1998       Volume 02 : Number 222



In This Digest:

(exotica) Fred Tomlinson [was RE: Keep On Digging]
(exotica) Nostalgia vs. Retro (dissection)
(exotica) Lyman up.......
(exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia
(exotica) Re: Tony Schwartz (correction)
(exotica) Fred Tomlinson [was RE: Keep On Digging]
(exotica) Incorrect Videos @ Fez 11/14
(exotica) Re:Buddy Faro
Re: (exotica) Lyman up.......
Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia
(exotica) Who did the music for The Joker's Wild game show?
(exotica) Bongos, please
Re: (exotica) Lyman up.......
(exotica) Re: Who did the music for The Joker's Wild game show?
Re: (exotica) Who did the music for The Joker's Wild game show?
[Brian Phillips: (exotica) Fred Tomlinson [was RE: Keep On Digging]]
(exotica) Thank you all for "Savers"- ing me!
(exotica) castle communications
(exotica) If you enjoyed this, you will be sure to enjoy...
RE: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia
(exotica) Ex-Pop Singer Whiting Files Lawsuit
(exotica) the difference between nostalgia and retro
(exotica) keep watching the curbs
Re: (exotica) Bongos, please
Re: (exotica) Bongos, please
RE: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia
Re: (exotica) keep watching the curbs
Re: (exotica) keep watching the curbs
Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia
(exotica) British oddities web site
(exotica) Air / Jean-Jacques Perrey
Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia
Re: (exotica) Air / Jean-Jacques Perrey
Re: (exotica) keep watching mac davis
(exotica) Rene Touzet
Re: (exotica) Bongos, please
(exotica) Multi versions strike again
Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:11:37 -0500
From: "Indy Rutks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Fred Tomlinson [was RE: Keep On Digging]

On October 06, 1998, Peter Hipwell wrote:

> -- From the IMPRESS (Inter-art Music Publications) library:
>
> * "Choral Contrasts" -- Fred Tomlinson
>
> Staggering stuff with "Babadap", perhaps the ultimate workout on that
> classic cheese singing style (think "Swingle Singers" meet
> "Gay Spirits" meets "Mah Na Mah Na" meets "Seven Golden Men"). There
> are also three different short "Busy Moods" (the kind of singing you
> get when the 50s lady is doing housework on TV... they sing
> "CHINGGGGGG!" to end two of these, which is hilarious, but doesn't
> look so when you write it down) and "Tijuana -- Make Something Of
> It?", which he didn't, as this bears no relation to Tijuana (no brass
> for a start), but is an excellent catchy, hum-a-longous thing with
> saucepan-whapping percussion breaks that make you wanna DANCE.

Did The Fred Tomlinson Singers help out Monty Pythons Flying Circus with
some of their great tunes ("The Lumberjack Song", "Spam", "We Love The
Yangtze", etc.)?

- -Indy Rutks ([e-mail])



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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:29:06 -0400
From: Michael Hibarger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Nostalgia vs. Retro (dissection)

Okay, so I'm going to risk jumping into the forray only to echo
what some have alluded to or perhaps said (I'm in digest mode),
but retro is a prefix meaning backward, or in this context backward
in time.  Nostalgia is a yearning for old times.  The obvious difference,
is that retro, is for someone going back in time who has not experienced
that time period.  Where as nostalgia is for someone who was once
in that time and space.  My guess is that most of the people on this list
are retro for exotica, and nostalgic for 70's disco or 80's new wave
or 90's grunge...

M.



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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:34:17 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lyman up.......

Okay gang, does somebody know the release order of the Lyman canon?

Just curious (since he is better than Denny....ooooops!)

- - Nate



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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:05:41 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

I have to disagree perfectly with the previous post...  (nothing personal)

Retro is that era that your parents grew up with, was into, avoided because
it was too commercial, whatever.  Retro indicates about 20-30 years ago, as
a general rule, back for another 20 years or so before that.  So right now,
retro is everything from the late 70s through to the late 50s, including
exotica, give or take.

Nostalgia is more romantic.  Nostalgia is everything that your GRANDparents
grew up with,  were into, avoided becaue it was too commercial, etc back to
as far into the past as you like.  I wouldn't call classical antiquity
nostalgia, but certainly civil war reenactments, early locomotive history,
flappers, Edison Cylinders, ragtime, prohibition, and world war one fall
into this.

The key is what generation remembers, how old they are, their position in
the free marketplace, and the socio-economic-cultural history of the
demographic you are speaking about.

Just my $.02

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:51:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Re: Tony Schwartz (correction)

I wrote:

<< All of these 1950's recordings are offered through the Smithsonian /
Folkways site on CD. >>

I was wrong about this.  The online catalog lists compact discs, but upon
calling them, i learned they are only on cassette.

sorry for the mis-information.


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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:13:28 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Fred Tomlinson [was RE: Keep On Digging]

Did The Fred Tomlinson Singers help out Monty Pythons Flying Circus with
some of their great tunes ("The Lumberjack Song", "Spam", "We Love The
Yangtze", etc.)?


They sure did!  From a FAQ:

The Fred Tomlinson Singers
Did just about all of the group singing stuff in the Flying Circus, including
such things as Summarising Proust, and The Lumberjack Song.




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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:48:24 -0400
From: Irwin Chusid <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Incorrect Videos @ Fez 11/14

- - advance notice -

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YET ANOTHER COLLECTION OF BIZARRE,
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 admission:    $10.00
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What is INCORRECT MUSIC=99 ?

     Music that, from an entertainment standpoint, is so wrong--it's
right. It can be clumsy, charming, stupid, well-intentioned, and/or
strikingly original in an unconventional sense. It can be the product of
damaged DNA, or alien abduction; medical malpractice, incarceration, or
communal upbringing; demonic possession, or bad beer.
     Or perhaps your name is William Shatner.

THE GALLERY OF BIZARRE VIDEO AND FILM EXHIBITS WILL INCLUDE:

=95 more WILLIAM SHATNER, a rare clip of his cloying rendition
    of "It Was Very Good Year" from a 1970s TV show
=95 the world premiere of Chris Kluge's original PUPPET VIDEO of
    the inscrutable "Song of the Burmese Land"
=95 our tribute to DOMESTIC ABUSE, featuring light-hearted musical
    clips celebrating romantic violence and INCEST
=95 the amazing Cecil Dill and his Singing Hands (1940s film clip)
=95 the notorious METALLICA DRUMMER video ("His parents are
      gone, he has a video camera, and he wants to rock!")
=95 more SCOPITONES (song films), featuring celeb singers in settings=20
    that are incredibly tasteless, inappropriate, sexist, and dumb
=95 our ETHNICALLY INSENSITIVE musical tribute to AFRICA (see
    the amazing white Jewish cannibal!)
=95 stunningly absurd musical numbers from justifiably forgotten films
=95 more TV "no-talent search" clips
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Some viewers will dismiss this program as a cruel Freak Show. All we can
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     We, the Incorrect Music purveyors, apologize in advance to GOD=99 fo=
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_____________________________________________
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hosted by Irwin Chusid & Michelle Boul=E9, is heard weekly on WFMU (91.1
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:21:54 -0700
From: "Mike" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:Buddy Faro

I dunno, I rather like the show. Mark Frost's always had a unique ear for
dialogue and the characters grow on me. Of course, Dennis Farina has been a
cool cat since the old days of his (Atomic) Detective show, Crime Story.
Cool enough compared to the usual UPN/WB shyte.
Mike



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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 20:40:13 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lyman up.......

An educated guess would lead me to think that the catalogue numbers =
of his albums, since they were for the most part on the HiFi label, =
would give a good indication on th order of their release.

The earlier stuff Taboo and Bwana have a three digit number, but from =
then on as Lyman records were part of the =B3Life series=B2 there=B9s =
four digit numbers. I put my Lymans in this numerical order and it =
seemed to make sense chronologically. The exception being the Leis of =
Jazz whose number dosen=B9t quite fit the series.

I also have dates on the following:

5/58 Taboo
2/59 Sunset
8/59 Legend of Pele
4/63 At the Crescendo
4/64 Paradise
9/65 Cast you fate to the wind
9/65 Greatest Hits
2/66 =8C66
6/66 Shadow of your smile

Hope this helps.

Frank


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:57:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

In a message dated 98-10-06 15:08:15 EDT, a somewhat confused Exoticat wrote:

<< So right now,
 retro is everything from the late 70s through to the late 50s, including
 exotica, give or take.   >>

No.


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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:09:13 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Who did the music for The Joker's Wild game show?

Was that Jean-Jacques Perrey?  You can hear it at
http://www.tvparty.com/games.html



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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:28:24 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Bongos, please

Your nomination for favorite bongo selection on record would be appreciated!
Also, your favorite bongoist (especially if it is not Jack Costanzo, who is
already well known...I am looking for others!).  Details, details!  Also,
do you like your music with bongos or could care less?  Do you have bongos
of your own?

Byron


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:11:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lyman up.......

In a message dated 10/6/98 1:38:42 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< Okay gang, does somebody know the release order of the Lyman canon?

 Just curious (since he is better than Denny....ooooops!) >>

That's a big incorrect ooooops my friend.

Ashley


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:27:48 -0600
From: King Kini <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Who did the music for The Joker's Wild game show?

>Was that Jean-Jacques Perrey?


yes... Perrey & Kingsley - "the Savers" i believe.

 - kk




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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:15:55 +0200
From: Sevo Stille <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who did the music for The Joker's Wild game show?

Brian Phillips wrote:
>
> Was that Jean-Jacques Perrey?  You can hear it at
> http://www.tvparty.com/games.html

Sounds like it is "The Savers" by Perrey/Kingsley.

Sevo

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:18:07 +0100
From: Peter Hipwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Brian Phillips: (exotica) Fred Tomlinson [was RE: Keep On Digging]]

> From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
>
> Did The Fred Tomlinson Singers help out Monty Pythons Flying Circus with
> some of their great tunes ("The Lumberjack Song", "Spam", "We Love The
> Yangtze", etc.)?
>
>
> They sure did!  From a FAQ:
>
> The Fred Tomlinson Singers
> Did just about all of the group singing stuff in the Flying Circus, including
> such things as Summarising Proust, and The Lumberjack Song.
>
>

Hey, thanks folks! This is why I love this list. I would never have
made this connection on my own.

- -- Pete.



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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:48:36 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Thank you all for "Savers"- ing me!

I have enjoyed that show's theme music for many years.  Now, maybe I can
buy it (on the Essential Perrey and Kingsley.  Is this a good collection?).
 Now, before I joined this list, I never would have guessed Perrey/Kingsley.

So I have been a fan of theirs after a fashion since I was 11!

Beep,
Brian Phillips



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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:07 +0100
From: dan hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) castle communications

quick question - given castle communications' astute release of the "get
carter" soundtrack, are there any other recent, or upcoming, castle
releases worth getting?

any info most appreciated ...
ta.
dan.

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:01:56 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) If you enjoyed this, you will be sure to enjoy...

A former co-worker once parodied the way the majors marketed pop groups in
this fashion:

1964.
THE year.
The year that a revolution started in music that would change the face of
music forever.
Capitol Records knew this.
They knew that 1964 would be the year...for Al Martino.

What inner sleeve or back jacket had the most outlandish "recommendations"
for other music you would enjoy if you liked _____ ?

For example, according to the cdnow.com album advisor, if I liked Perrey &
Kingsley, I would be sure to also enjoy:

P.J. Harvey
Tracy Chapman
Spike Jones
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion
Jan and Dean

I am at work, so I don't have any albums in front of me, but I will
to-night.  Anyone else?

Brian Phillips





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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:06:48 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

> << So right now,
>  retro is everything from the late 70s through to the late 50s, including
>  exotica, give or take.   >>
>
> No.
>
>
I won't accept a simple "no" here.  Ask any 25 year old, and this is what
they will tell you, and aren't the 25 year olds the ones that actually first
started using the term retro in the context we are discussing?  I never
heard it used ever before 1990, it was instead 'classic' or 'oldies' or
'flashback'.  Retro was just a rocket before that.

Nostalgia always meant the very, very old.

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:12:49 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ex-Pop Singer Whiting Files Lawsuit

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Margaret Whiting, a pop singer famous in the 1940s and
'50s, and her husband want $3 million for a broken knee she suffered when
she stepped into a pothole.
    Whiting, 73, says in court papers filed this week that she suffered the
injury April 24 in Manhattan. She contends the pothole caused her to fall
into a crosswalk.
    The lawsuit, filed Monday, alleges negligence and names the city,
Consolidated Edison and City Wide Asphalt Paving Co., a Con Edison
subcontractor, as defendants.
    Whiting asks $2 million in damages for her injuries and her
husband-manager, former porn actor Jack Wrangler, asks $1 million for loss
of his wife's conjugal fellowship and companionship.
    Whiting starred on Broadway in 1997 in ``Dream,'' a musical based on the
songs of composer-lyricist Johnny Mercer. Several of Whiting's hits were
written by Mercer, including ``Moonlight in Vermont,'' ``Baby, It's Cold
Outside'' and ``Black Magic.''
    Wrangler, 51, has appeared in about 90 pornographic movies. He has said
Whiting talked him into abandoning adult films after they met in the late
1970s.




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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:14:04 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) the difference between nostalgia and retro

Nostalgia is a noun.

Retro is an adjective.

m.ace  [e-mail]
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:13:51 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) keep watching the curbs

Nat is correct, there has been less vinyl content on here lately. So what the
heck, here's my first ever "finds" list. Don't expect another one any time
soon, 'cause I don't generally finds much. The thing that amazes me about some
of you is not so much your amount of finds, but that you're able to review them
so quickly. I've had this stuff around for months, and I still haven't gotten
around to listening to all of it. Anyway...

Never mind those hoity toity thrift stores -- here are some records I rescued
from the curbside trash several months ago.

John Davidson - "Everything Is Beautiful" (Columbia C 30098) - Late 60s / early
70s "tv variety show" style pop. A couple of Beatles covers, a Simon &
Garfunkel cover... and then there's "Politician", with lyrics like:
"See the politician.
See him kiss the baby.
See him help the little old lady cross the street.
Does the baby know her daddy's dying
somewhere in the jungle far away-ay-ay-ay?
Does the little old lady know her grandson's
crying 'cause his best friend died today?"
Yow -- power to the people, John! Composer credit is "M.Davis". That couldn't
be Miles, could it?!?

Henry Mancini - "Music From Peter Gunn" (RCA LPM-1956, 1959) - Well, there's
nothing I can add to what's already been said. Can anyone explain what the heck
the cover art is supposed to represent? Neurons in Peter's brain? I've always
wondered about that.

The Melachrino Strings - "Music For Reading" (RCA LSP-1002, 1958) - About what
you would expect. Low-key light classics performed by a string-dominated
orchestra. It does work well, actually.

Wayne Newton - "Michelle" (Capitol/Pickwick SPC-3461) - Still sealed, and it's
staying that way. Partly because I like the mysterious potential of a sealed
Wayne, partly because it's nice to have a shrink-wrapped and price-stickered
album on hand, just to remember what that was like. *Nostalgia*

George Russell - "The RCA Victor Jazz Workshop" (RCA LPM-1372, 1957) - Modern
jazz of the cool variety. Musicians include Art Farmer on trumpet, Milt Hinton
on bass, Bill Evans on piano, Barry Galbraith on guitar. Some distinctive
titles: "Ye Hypocrite, Ye Beelzebub", "Ezz-thetic", "Fellow Delegates", "Witch
Hunt", "Knights Of The Steamtable". Liner notes by Russell, explaining the
structures of the pieces and his musical theories.

SSgt. Barry Sadler - "Ballads Of The Green Berets" (RCA LPM-3547, 1966) - I
haven't listened to this one yet. I'm afraid to. He does NOT do "Politician".

Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale - "Batman & Robin" (Tifton 78002, 1966) -
This is the one with Sun Ra and some of his crew making some studio bucks,
along with members of The Blues Project (Al Kooper, Danny Kalb). Not bad, but
don't expect something up to Sun Ra's own standards. Br. Cleve described it
well last year as "standard budget rock". The blooze-rock guitar wankery does
noodle on at times. The Sunniest sounding track is the "Batman Theme" -- a
pretty cool version, actually. More details on pg. 218 of "Space Is The Place".

Various - "Great Songs Of The 60's" (Columbia Special Products CSP 292) -
"Collector's Album Limited Edition"! "Created exclusively for FOOD FAIR by
Columbia Special Products"! Selection much like other give-away albums: Percy
Faith, Tony Bennett, Barbra Streisand, Jerry Vale, Anita Bryant, Buddy Greco,
Patti Page, Skitch Henderson, etc. Haven't actually listened yet. I like it for
the Food Fair connection, that being a regional supermarket chain when I was a
tyke (more nostalgia). It would be amusing to see duplicates of this album
"created exclusively for [fill in the blank]."

Various - "Guide To Jazz" (RCA LPMF-1393, 1956) - Released in conjunction with
Hugues Panassie's book of the same title. A compilation of jazz sides from the
20s to 40s. I thought it would be a scratchy old record of scratchy old
records, but it actually sounds pretty good. Liner notes by Panassie. 18 tracks
hitting most of the biggies: Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Jelly Roll Morton,
Fats Waller, Johnny Dodds, Sidney Bechet, Louis Armstrong, Fletcher Henderson,
King Oliver... A handy album to steal licks from if you're starting a Squirrel
Nut Zippers sort of band.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:17:44 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bongos, please

Like Jello, there's always room for bongos.

I can't cite any one single track as a favorite, but I will say that Art
Blakey's "Amuck" (featuring Sabu Martinez) is a hot one. Available on cd: Art
Blakey - "Orgy In Rhythm, Vols. 1 & 2" (Blue Note).

There's a Bongo Page here:
http://www.rhythmweb.com/bongo/
It's still a little sparse, but has potential. Encourage them.

This past August I finally got around to getting a good pair of bongos. No home
should be without them. I had a chintzy toy-grade pair when I was a kid. More
imprinting that eventually led me here?

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:40:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bongos, please

In a message dated 10/6/98 7:20:33 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Details, details!  Also,
do you like your music with bongos or could care less?  Do you have bongos
of your own?>>

I have two sets of bongos. (Bongoes?...LOL) I LOVE music with bongos. I really
like my Preston Epps, Bongo, Bongo, Bongo. I'll be interested to hear of other
bongo albums. Good subject, Byron.
Gloria


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:25:19 -0700
From: The Davidsons <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

At 08:06 AM 10/7/98 -0400, Charles mused:

>Ask any 25 year old, and this is what
>they will tell you, and aren't the 25 year olds the ones that actually first
>started using the term retro in the context we are discussing?  I never
>heard it used ever before 1990, it was instead 'classic' or 'oldies' or
>'flashback'.  Retro was just a rocket before that.
>
>Nostalgia always meant the very, very old.

Back in the 70s, when all things 50s were the craze (American Graffiti,
Happy Days, etc.), I believe it was commonly referred to as a "nostalgia"
fad.  Perhaps not only is the term "retro" new, but the word "nostalgia"
has changed meaning as well...

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:34:50 -0700
From: The Davidsons <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) keep watching the curbs

At 02:13 PM 10/7/98 -0400, m.ace wrote:

>Yow -- power to the people, John! Composer credit is "M.Davis". That couldn't
>be Miles, could it?!?

Probably that rebel songwriter Mac.



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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:35:04 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) keep watching the curbs

>Yow -- power to the people, John! Composer credit is "M.Davis". That couldn't
>be Miles, could it?!?

Probably that rebel songwriter Mac.


...and probably written "In the Ghetto"?



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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:11:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

In a message dated 98-10-07 08:07:58 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< I won't accept a simple "no" here.  Ask any 25 year old, and this is what
 they will tell you, and aren't the 25 year olds the ones that actually first
 started using the term retro in the context we are discussing?  I never
 heard it used ever before 1990, it was instead 'classic' or 'oldies' or
 'flashback'.  Retro was just a rocket before that.
 Nostalgia always meant the very, very old.    >>

My parents refer to listening to 1950s music at the car show as "nostalgia"
But if one owns a 1950s room full of furniture, its called "retro."

I tend to agree with whoever it was that suggested this is a generational
issue.

- - Michele


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:11:29 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) British oddities web site

I found a site with categorized lists of odd British recordings. FYI!
- -Lou

<http://www.sneeze.dircon.co.uk/garg.html>
This list celebrates British "oddness". Unfortunately the list of odd
American recordings is too vast. What we need is some American person to
compile the definitive US list. I've put some in as I come across them. I've
also tried to avoid listing 'zany' or 'wacky' records a-la so called "Wierd
Al" Jankovic. For a list of well-known "bad" records please refer to the
<Flop of thePops> <http://sa1.star.uclan.ac.uk/~mjg/flopintro.html> website.
- ----------------------------------------------------------
Answer Records
Death Records
Children's Records
Jonathan King Records
Novelty Records
Personality Records
Tribute/Cash-in Records
Political Records
? Records
Religious Records
Rude Records
War Records
Xmas Records




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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:14:11 -0700
From: jasmine j jopling <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Air / Jean-Jacques Perrey

I heard that Air (french band) recorded with Jean-Jacques Perrey earlier
this year, but I've heard nothing about a release.  What sort of music did
they record?  Actual structured songs, or more experimental, free-form
electronic stuffs?

thanks!

jasmine


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:48:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

In a message dated 98-10-07 16:11:17 EDT, Michele wrote:

<< My parents refer to listening to 1950s music at the car show as "nostalgia"
But if one owns a 1950s room full of furniture, its called "retro."

 I tend to agree with whoever it was that suggested this is a generational
issue. >>

Michele hit it on the head.  I think of nostalgia as almost a yearning to some
time past.  To me it could be 10 years ago.  I think of retro as embrasing a
style.  It could be 10 years ago or 70 years ago.  (some of my retro stuff
includes Brownie cameras and Victrolas from the 1920's -  to me these are
retro furnishings).

I also think you have to have lived in a period to be nostalgic for it.  You
can be
"retro-ed" to a period even if you did not live in it.  In other words I can
have a 40's retro wardrobe but I can't be nostalgic for the 40's because I was
not born yet!!!

And so the debate continues,

Retro Roberto


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Turner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Air / Jean-Jacques Perrey

>
>
> I heard that Air (french band) recorded with Jean-Jacques Perrey earlier
> this year, but I've heard nothing about a release.  What sort of music did
> they record?  Actual structured songs, or more experimental, free-form
> electronic stuffs?

They collaborated on the track "Cosmic Bird" on the SOURCELAB 3
compilation.  It's a GREAT synth pop track, like "Popcorn" but
with a more ambient electronic flavor.

I talked to Jean-Jacques recently and there is a possibility
of further collaborations.  I know that Jean-Jacques will be
here in San Francisco when Air comes though on their US tour
next week.  He was also going to see them in L.A.  Keep your
fingers crossed...

- --
Mark Turner         | "Jazzadelica" with Rocky Rococo on KFJC
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:07:42 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) keep watching mac davis

> >Composer credit is "M.Davis". That couldn't
> >be Miles, could it?!?
>
> Probably that rebel songwriter Mac.

Aha, yes. "Politician" is definitely in the Mac Davis mode. Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:40:05 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rene Touzet

Article & discography on Rene Touzet here:

http://www.salsaweb.com/music/history.htm

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 19:08:18 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bongos, please

>Your nomination for favorite bongo selection on record would be =
appreciated!
>Also, your favorite bongoist (especially if it is not Jack Costanzo, who =
is
>already well known...I am looking for others!).  Details, details!  Also,
>do you like your music with bongos or could care less?  Do you have bongos
>of your own?

You got me to look over a playlist from about four years ago when I =
did a =B3bongo=B3  radio show. All I can say is what I thought at the =
time: Bongos are everywhere! At least in exotica recordings.
Most of the Command albums with =B9percussion=B9 in the title will =
have varying degrees of bongos in the mix.

One of my favorite uses of bongos in a very familiar tune, and proof =
that bongos are every where, is in the theme to Mission Impossible. =
Check it out, the bongos *make* that tune.

No that I think of it, this would be a great title for something: =
BONGOS ARE EVERYWHERE!

Bongo brains Frank


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 19:08:15 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Multi versions strike again

Well I did it again. The second installment of my once a month =
program =B325=B2.

In =B325=B2 I feature twnty-five different versions of the same tune. =
In a timely tribute to the changing foliage this month=B9s tune was =
=B3the Autumn Leaves=B2.

Performances featured:

Bobby Byrne
Dick Shorey
Marjorie Meinert
Chet Atkins
Leo Diamond
Earl Bostic
Tom Jones
Marty Paitch piano quartet
Joe Graves and His Diggers
Elmer Bernstein
Sil Austin
Lenny Dee
The Three Suns
Kai Winding
Si Zentner
Billy May
Ethel Azama
Martin Denny
Arthur Lyman
Gabor Szabo
Ruth Welcome
Sauter-Finnegan
Ferrante and Teicher
Eddie Baxter
Gals & Pals

Thanks to Brad and his ever resourceful SpaceAge web site for some =
great info about this particular tune, which I promptly passed on to =
my listeners.

Stay tuned next month for another episode of =B325=B2

Frank, pushing the envelope of exotica tolerance.


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:36:18 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Retro Vs Nostalgia

> I also think you have to have lived in a period to be nostalgic for it.  You
> can be "retro-ed" to a period even if you did not live in it.  In other
> words I can have a 40's retro wardrobe but I can't be nostalgic for the 40's > because I was not born yet!!!

I disagree here.  I see fairly often these 2D-ish 'primitive' folk art
style paintings that have such activity as the horse and buggy, the
general store, haystacks in the field....almost like a pre-Norman
Rockwell type setting from around the turn of the century (and before
the automobile). It's similar to the same type motif as those 'old town'
Christmas layouts that are very popular now also.

I definitely call these pieces nostalgic....its a yearning for the
'values' or 'simplicity' of a past time.   Yet this time period is
before the time that 90-95% of people living today can remember.

Vern


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