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exotica-digest      Saturday, September 12 1998      Volume 02 : Number 207



In This Digest:

(exotica) Nostalgia
(exotica) Hawaii Five-O question
(exotica) Hawaii Five-O question
Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?
(exotica) Re: new FIRESIGN THEATRE album
(exotica) Norma Drew, Leonid Kinskey obits
(exotica) Beyond the Valley of the Dolls
(exotica) Why Nostalgia?/Tiki room
Re: (exotica) Beyond the Valley of the Dolls
Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?
(exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #206
(exotica) Re: Kahimi Karie (Minty Fresh)
(exotica) Re: Disney
Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?
(exotica) The Nostalgia Pages
(exotica) Ultra Lounge video
Re:  (exotica) Ultra Lounge video
Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?
(exotica) Spaced Out update - Artist Discographies
(exotica) the "Helexotic Sound"
(exotica) Jean Jacques Live in SF!
Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?/Tiki room
(exotica) five bucks
(exotica) Tiki Room Tunes
(exotica) Disney, Disney, Disney and are we tired of this yet???
(exotica) That Urinating Ride At Disney World I Love So Much
(exotica) On nostalgia
(exotica) Raymond Scott

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:34:36 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Nostalgia

MO said:

You're free to pick what you like and leave in the shelf what you don't

i think this is critical to the whole discussion about nostalgia.  In the
50s and 60s when Denny and our friends were making this music, there was
lots of other things going on, like a cold war, that were particularly less
"fun".  Nostalgia gives people the opportunity to enjoy the "Best of" the
past without having to deal with all the other stuff.

Why now?  Well, the boomer/post boomer point is well taken.  I am on the
edge of the two.  My dad listened to Lyman, and mom likes Aerosmith.  I like
the scene because it sounds exotic, different that is, from the obnoxious
trash that has become rock, like Nirvana/Bush/Matchbox 20.  We have come to
a point of re-evaluation of our music tastes again.  Doesn't everyone here
remember the doo-wop flashbacks in the 70s?  not to mention the anti-disco
punk movement in the 80s and then the anti-glam movement that became grunge
in the 90s.  This is just another way out of a music scene gone boring.

Around the end of disco, we saw a resurgence of all the classic styles.  Not
just punk, but there was a brief swing flashback, and a pretty soild
jazz-fusion resurgence.

Exotica is fun because it is back for the first time, it is old enough for
nobobdy to really remember, and it is some of the earliest examples of high
fidelity and stereo recording, making it easy on the ears of 90s listeners.
Older stuff from 78s would never fly as easily.

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:38:51 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hawaii Five-O question

Hi Gang,

Just got the Hawaii Five-O soundtrack album this weekend, along with Phase
4s "The Return of James Bond" and the project3 "Movie Hits" with Enoch Light
doing the theme from "A Clockwork Orange" (very cool)

Question:  ( and I feel like a clod asking this)

What does the "Five-O" stand for?  My wife sez that it is because Hawaii is
the 50th state, and it sounded catchy, so they use it.  Anybody know for
sure?

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:25:42 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hawaii Five-O question

What does the "Five-O" stand for?  My wife sez that it is because Hawaii is
the 50th state, and it sounded catchy, so they use it.  Anybody know for
sure?

According to the Hawaii Five-0 FAQ: Why was it called Five-O, anyway?
Hawaii was the fiftieth state in the union. (The original title was "The Man,"
but producer Leonard Freeman changed his mind.)

Good thing the locale was there.  Delaware Oh-1 doesn't have the same ring.



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:17:56 +0100
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?

First, I think the discussion on "nostalgia" is an interesting one. I agree
with pretty much everything that has been said. I listen to these sounds -
often older sounds - because they sound good to my ears. Occasionally if I
see a groovy 60s flick, I might think, "Wow! I should have been around
then." But on the whole, I am very happy to be living in the 90s, and I
don't wish to return to past years.

However, people who don't know or understand or perhaps "like" what I play
when I DJ often ask if I play "retro" music. I find this term a little
offensive. I actually think I like LOTS of modern music that is influenced
by exotica. But I strongly feel that this music does not intend to copy
exotica. Or is going for a retro feel. We look to the past and reflect on
it, and taking the best bits from the past and putting them into a 90s
context is a good thing, I think.

The dressing up part of the "lounge" scene has always bothered me a bit. Not
that I don't own old, groovy clothes, but I always worry that if you dress
in them at such events, you are kinda turning the whole thing into a
nostalgia event. Making it a silly cliche. It's a difficult thing for me
because I like the fashion that I like, but I don't want to cliche a sound
that I feel so passionately about.

Any thoughts?

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:56:20 -0800
From: Thom Heileson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: new FIRESIGN THEATRE album

> From: "Carl Russo" <[e-mail]>
>
> Speaking of which, thanks to whomever for the review of the new FIRESIGN
> THEATRE album.  Gotta get!
>
> C. "Ratso" Russo

This is prolly fairly annoying of me, but... I haven't been able to follow the list digests lately, until this one -
could anyone post or send me the details I missed about the new Firesign Theatre album? Thanks in advance, Thom

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:13:44 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Norma Drew, Leonid Kinskey obits

                            *Norma Drew
    LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Norma Drew, an actress who once performed with the
comedy team of Laurel and Hardy, died Aug. 23. She was 94.
    She appeared in several movies during the 1930s, including ``Chickens Come
Home'' in which she played Stan Laurel's wife. She also played roles
opposite Joan Crawford and Robert Taylor.
    Ms. Drew's first husband, screenwriter and producer Ernest Pagano, is the
author of the Fred Astaire classic ``Shall We Dance,'' and is credited with
discovering the talents of the young Shirley Temple.

                          *Leonid Kinskey
    FOUNTAIN HILLS, Ariz. (AP) -- Leonid Kinskey, a stylish Russian-born actor
who played Sascha the bartender in ``Casablanca,'' died Tuesday of
complications from a stroke. He was 95.
    Humphrey Bogart recommended Kinskey for the role of Sascha in the 1942
classic, and he went on to play variations of his Russian character in 68
films.
    Kinskey, one of the last surviving members of ``Casablanca,'' first
performed in opera and theater, sequeing to films in the early 1930s.
    Kinskey starred in ``The Spot Lite Club,'' television's first situation
comedy, on KTLA in Los Angeles in 1948. He also appeared in television's
``Perry Mason,'' ``The Man From U.N.C.L.E.'' and ``Hogan's Heroes.''




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:44:58 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Beyond the Valley of the Dolls

 Did anyone see Beyond the Valley of the Dolls last night on Channel 4?
What a fantastic film, with drugs, the Strawberry Alarm Clock, sex, large
chests and a collectable soundtrack - Good old Russ Meyer.

Charlie





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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:04:17 +0100
From: Reader Geoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?/Tiki room

Surely the whole point of listening to any music is your emotional response
to it?  For me, some songs (Nancy Sinatra's Sugartown for example) its
definitely the warm feeling of remembering hearing it as a child,  But for
other things (Yma Sumac) they are 'new' and the pleasure, or not, I get is
from the thing itself.. To quote Bobby Gillespie 'I do not make love to my
girlfriend in an ironic fashion'.  I'm sorry, is an emotional response
coloured by nostalgia invalid where a response coloured by anger is not?

And back to the Tiki room.  I have been to Disney once (the Florida one I
don't know or really care if it was World or Land) a couple of years ago.  I
wasn't really looking forward to it,  3 days stuck in this megalomanic,
sickly,  oversentimentalised psuedo Amerika.  But I quite enjoyed it,  some
of the rides were fun,  my friends were really into it and so got a good
response from the staff (I think it was them being young women wearing the
ears).  Some of it I found strangely disturbing,  main street is eerily like
Port Meirion where 'the Prisoner was filmed,  and with the brass bands and
announcements,  spooky.

Being English,  the Polynesia thing had passed me by,  I have no cultural
baggage whatsoever for Tiki rooms,  and so I was going to skip it.  It
looked faintly tatty.  Old,  and not really very interesting,  but,  I
thought 'what the hell'.  It was a revelation.  Genuinely charming.  I felt
like a child.  It was wonderful,  the clacking of the mouths and moving
parts was quaint I suppose.  I think that really the reason that Disney
would drop it more than any other is that it doesn't fit into their
marketing strategies,  it is outside the main film themes that tie up the
other rides to the Disney 'Universe'  and therefore doesn't further sales of
anything from the shops.  As someone pointed out a few weeks back,  there is
only one song available on CD from the tiki room.



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:40:43 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Beyond the Valley of the Dolls

There's an interesting article about the movie by (co-scripter) Roger Ebert
here:

http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/1997/08/081101.html

He talks about the making of the film and his reactions when seeing it ten
years later.

m.ace  [e-mail]
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:58:35 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?

Elisabeth wrote:
>I'm always a little wary of people who listen exclusively to old (defined
>as anything from the Doors to, say, Bach) music
>or reject contemporary culture.

Oh dear.  As one of the list's older readers, I don't reject contemporary
culture at all.  None exists to reject!

Nostalgia, like many other things, can be undesirable in excess.  But while
I am nostalgic for the days of the mid/early 60's, when albums had by
default 12 tracks, I too enjoy the convenience of the PC era....

Hugh.

PS I'm also nostalgic for Jessica's listings.....


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:21:24 -0700
From: "Blazerfan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #206

Boomers hate it, primarily because it as the music their parents listened
to , which they rebeled against, but also because  acknowleding it defies
their image of what that time was really like.

OH REALLY???? from a 50 year old woman who loved it then and loves it now.



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:59:32 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Wayno)
Subject: (exotica) Re: Kahimi Karie (Minty Fresh)

Nathan Miner inquired about the Kahimi Karie disc just released in the US
on the Minty Fresh label:

>Has anybody gotten this?  How is it?
>
>I've wanted to get some of her stuff, but don't know where?
>
>- - Nate

        This domestic disc (available through all the usual on-line record
shops) is a "best-of" culled from Kahimi's Japanese releases, and it seems
to be a pretty good intro/overview. Most of her stuff features
high-pitched, breathy vocals; sort of a souped-up electro-modern Claudine
Longet, but with a sinister, decadent edge, which is emphasized by the
sweet quality of her voice. The music itself is all over the map,
incorporating Latin/Bossa sounds, jazzy interludes, crunchy guitar rock,
some sampling, and plenty of fat analog Moog sounds. Many of her best tunes
were written by Momus.

        Additional info on this CD is available at http://mintyfresh/com.

        I have some of Kahimi's recent Japanese releases and can recommend
"Larme de Crocodile" on Crue-l Records (1997). It's wall-to-wall pop
confection. Fans of Julee Cruise's collaborations with David Lynch might
enjoy Kahimi.

        Many of her Japanese releases (including the new Polydor CD
"K.K.K.K.K.") are available from Other Music in New York
<http://www.othermusic.com>.

        I've also ordered some Japanese imports from Mundo, a dealer based
in Japan <http://www.mediawars.or.jp/~mundo/cdjapan/link.html>.

        The Minty Fresh site also has some US tour dates.

                -- Wayno





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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:16:02 -0700
From: Eb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Disney

>From: [e-mail]
>
>I appreciate the Tiki Room and 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea the same way I
>appreciate a Victrola, the advent of the LP, the 8 track or the marvel of the
>CD.
>All of these things represent technology at their highest when they debuted.
>Think about it.  Can you imagine what the Tiki Room was like when it first
>opened in the 1950. Audioanimatronics ! ! ! Wow.
>Come on Eb, or any other skeptic out there, there is always some old,
>nostalgic, antiquated, etc. thing out there that makes you smile because of
>appreciation.

I guess it comes down to whether you think Disneyland primarily should be a
source of entertainment, or a museum. I believe that we stand on opposite
sides of that question.

><< PS  Every submarine reeks of vestigial kiddie urine. >>
>
>I'm not sure of urine, but the above statement is a pile of shit.

And it's absolutely true. The guys who work there routinely joke about it.

Eb




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:54:32 -0500
From: Bump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?

i agree 100% with your statements here...


I listen to these sounds -

>often older sounds - because they sound good to my ears. Occasionally
if I

>see a groovy 60s flick, I might think, "Wow! I should have been
around

>then." But on the whole, I am very happy to be living in the 90s,


>However, people who don't know or understand or perhaps "like" what I
play

>when I DJ often ask if I play "retro" music. I find this term a
little

>offensive. I actually think I like LOTS of modern music that is
influenced

>by exotica. But I strongly feel that this music does not intend to
copy

>exotica. Or is going for a retro feel. We look to the past and reflect
on

>it, and taking the best bits from the past and putting them into a
90s

>context is a good thing, I think.

>


except for this one...


>The dressing up part of the "lounge" scene has always bothered me a
bit. Not

>that I don't own old, groovy clothes, but I always worry that if you
dress

>in them at such events, you are kinda turning the whole thing into a

>nostalgia event. Making it a silly cliche. It's a difficult thing for
me

>because I like the fashion that I like, but I don't want to cliche a
sound

>that I feel so passionately about.


 "old groovy clothes"?

i do not "dress up" for such events,

i just go, wearing what i feel comfortable in.

(when i am lucky enough not to be the DJ)

it just so happens that they are "old and groovy"!

and if people go consciously "dressed up", i look at it as paying
homage or wearing their "sunday best".

anyway i do not take such events that seriously as to worrying about
offending their premise. i hope there <underline>is</underline> a
"silly cliche" vibe to it as too defuse all

the ultra cool in-the-know hipsters that think it is so special.


in the end it is all about enjoying sounds, old or new.

and with others is even better.

no matter what mental trips it takes to get there...

as long as you are there is the most important thing.


if you stray from the music, you will get lost.



- -----------------------------------------

BuMp aka DJ Bumpnstuf

Defective Records

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:04:44 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The Nostalgia Pages

I thought "Nostalgia" was the marketing name (like "grunge" or "exotica" are
to some extent labels for marketing convenience) for Pre-War
the-old-days-were-the-good-days-bring-back-the-simpler-old-days
entertainment. Around NY, the undisputed King of Nostalgia was (and is) Joe
Franklin.

Here's a site loaded with capital-N Nostalgia.
- -Lou


Title:       The Nostalgia Pages
URL:         http://www.lofcom.com/nostalgia/
Keywords:    nostalgia, otr, television, family, entertainment
Description: To spend just a little while in the simpler time of the
past, visit The Nostalgia Pages! Introducing Old-Time Radio to a
generation who's parents barely remember it, The Nostalgia Pages
include photos from the Friends of Old-Time Radio Conventions,
"Hello's" from the stars of the past, and even complete Old-Time Radio
shows!




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:57:49 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ultra Lounge video

I was just cleaning out my mailbox and re-discovered this note from Hep Cat
Records. Now, I have nothing to do with HC or even know if this offer is
still valid. My question is about this UL video. Does anyone have it? Anyone
know what's on it? And can one get a copy without buying 5 CDs?
- -Lou



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Hello!
Have you been saving your money? We hope so, because we have a huge
amount of new releases for you to buy! Plus, if you purchase 5 or more of
the Ultra Lounge CDs (at the same time) you will receive a free Ultra
Lounge video while supplies last! Did we mention that it was FREE?
Our home page is at <http://www.hepcat.com/records>



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:40:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Ultra Lounge video

[e-mail] wrote:
>>>My question is about this UL video. Does anyone have it? Anyone know what's
on it? And can one get a copy without buying 5 CDs?<<<

Yep! I posted about this some five or six weeks ago. It's a 30-minute in-store
sales loop (with the loop being about five minutes in length). It's safe to
call it mini-music vids of UL tunes, maybe in 30-second snippets.

The visuals backing the songs are a mix of nostalgia clips and stock footage.
While it's not going to blow you away, it's a very cool thing to have,
especially if you have everything in the UL collection.

Maybe the neatest thing about it is that it comes packaged in an oversized
cigarette box, and opens just like one, too.

I found mine at a Borders in downtown Chicago (on Michigan Ave). When I
originally posted, someone else on this list called them and ordered it (it's
free, but you had to buy a UL disc to get it). They didn't have many then, but
you could give it a try.

- --Rod


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 19:55:27 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?

>Seeing Nostalgia as a generational thing still needs an explanation: Why
>pick what exactely from the past? I mean you go for Exotica jazz of the
>50s but you certainly don't go for the sexual repression of those days.
>You are aware of the fact that this Exotic culture in those days was an
>attempt to break out of the rigid moral laws of the western civilisation
>without openly attacking it. It was a trick! It became pointless, when
>sexual freedom was realized. Today we rediscover it for a different
>reason.
I think we choose exotica music because its intricasies (by pop music
standards) and highly proficient musicians appeal to our search for
something other than the bass-drum-guitar thing that any teenager can
bang out.(Charles R. makes a similar comment.) Now you may ask, why are
we looking for something different? Why not just dig our own contemporary
take on things. Well, maybe there's a feeling it does'nt express our
emotions or maybe we just find it aesthetically lacking. This is where I
think my "anthropology" angle helps explain. (See comment below.)
It's interesting that you bring up sexual repression; have we really
gotten over it or has it just taken on a new form?


> I see it more as a piece in an anti-technological movement. You
>combine it with other elements like Japanese high tech or psychedelic
>drugs and - voila! - you have something new: A redefinition of the
>purpose of technology...

What about all the emphasis in High Fidelity?


>> Suffice to say that I think that
>> most Exotica listeners have more of the fanatical cultural anthropoligist
>> in them rather than the romantic wishing for the past. (Frank)
>>
>You're free to pick what you like and leave in the shelf what you don't.
>Besides I don't believe that you unemotionally listen to those Exotica
>objects of investigation and categorization. You do have your
>preferences, don't you?

I thought this might have been interpreted this way. I should have
emphasised FANATICAL. This is the point where those objects go beyond the
realm of science and precisely into the realm of the emotions. I only
meant to use the term anthropoligist in a vague way to try to explain a
specific interest in a spacific past. And then there's our late nineties
view of the past with all that post-modern, appropration baggage which
has filtered down into our everyday thought.

Related:
Typical three steps in exotica appreciation.
1. This music is wierd, I like it.
2. This music is wierd...and beautiful, I really like it.
3. This music is beautiful, I love it.

Another one of my patent generalized statements, I know, but I think it
fits.

Frank


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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:24:12 +0100
From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Spaced Out update - Artist Discographies

After much tinkering, I've just added what I think is a useful new
feature to the Spaced Out website, namely the ability to generate
discographies for *any* musician who appeared on an Enoch Light
record.  Check out the "Discographies by Artist" link at the
address below.

If anyone tried using the previous Java search program, this goes
well beyond that program's capabilities:

For one thing it's not in Java but Perl (CGI) or, for the benefit of non-
techies, anyone can use it and it runs much faster.

For another, the results don't just list records *by* a particular artist
but also any that he/she/they are known to have recorded on (and
what they played!).

And as the discographies are generated dynamically, they are
always as up to date as they can be.

The results are not as yet guaranteed 100% comprehensive - they
are only as complete as the label discographies which in some
cases is "not very".  However, as the discographical information
keeps coming, the quality of results from this new feature will also
improve.

Try it out!


Robbie

PS    Please forgive the tacky "sales pitch" tone of some of this
email!


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:57:03 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) the "Helexotic Sound"

After a very long wait, I just scored:

THE HELLERS
"Singers, Talkers, Players, Swingers And Doers"
Command RS 934

A very unusual and wonderful record this is!  Hugh Heller led a group of
actors (including McLean Stevenson) and singers into a studio who acted out,
talked and sang from scripts and music sheets.

They then had Robert Moog construct a helectronic studio laboratory where all
kinds of wild electronic sound effects were added.

The resulting "helexotic sound" is amazing!  Very, very cool record.

Thick, laminated pyschedelic gatefold cover done up in bright oranges, reds,
yellows and greens - the usual Command high quality.  Photos on inside of the
players and moog.  Music and lyrics by Dick Hamilton.

titles include:

It's 74 In San Francisco
The Elevator
The Piano Lesson
High Fly Ball
The Mechanic
The Button Man

Go find it!



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:13:48 -0700
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jean Jacques Live in SF!

Jean Jacques Perrey will be having a Live In-store Appearance on September
19th at the Groove Merchant on (lower) Haight St in San Francisco at 3pm.

Be there!




Jack
Jack Diamond Music
Http://www.jackdiamond.com

"Attilio Mineo Conducts Man in Space With Sounds" Now on CD!
Http://www.jackdiamond.com/attilio.htm
Http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-64169/

Publicity by Motormouth Media (Hollywood, CA)

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OR

Retail Store Sales and Wholesale Distribution:
Jack Diamond
Http://www.jackdiamond.com
Fax/Phone [phone]

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Stefan Kery/Subliminal Sounds
[e-mail]
Fax/Phone [phone]
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e-mail: [e-mail]

Tune in The House of Games with Jack Diamond
Sundays 10AM-1PM
Http://www.KFJC.org (Internet Broadcast)
KFJC-FM, 89.7
12345 El Monte Rd.
Los Altos Hills, CA
Since January 1993


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:16:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Nostalgia?/Tiki room

Reader Geoff wrote and I agree (of course I have never been "tatty"):

<< Being English,  the Polynesia thing had passed me by,  I have no cultural
 baggage whatsoever for Tiki rooms,  and so I was going to skip it.  It
 looked faintly tatty.  Old,  and not really very interesting,  but,  I
 thought 'what the hell'.  It was a revelation.  Genuinely charming.  I felt
 like a child.  It was wonderful,  the clacking of the mouths and moving
 parts was quaint I suppose >>

It is this alure that has many of us loving the Tiki Room.  The sort of "ok,
let's go see this stupid show." to "MAN!!! let go see that Tiki Room show
again."

Robert


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:24:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) five bucks

Dusty Groove (http://dustygroove.com/) has had this great LP (filed under Now
Sounds) on sale for awhile now and I can't believe it's still there - somebody
get it!

for five bucks, you can't go wrong.  Sealed!

It is actually "Poiter Meets Plato", but is a second run where they changed
the title and cover art.  No more pic of Sidney on the front.  :(

<<Sidney Poitier -- Journeys Inside The Mind . . . LP . . . $4.99
Warner, Late 60's Condition: Sealed
Sidney Poitier's dark moody readings of Plato stuff, in his cold hip voice,
with cool music by Fred Katz, over great tracks like "Our World is a Cave" and
"Women's Place in Society". Think about it...Mr. Poitier telling you about
Plato's Cave.>>

Note:

i don't work for this place - i'm just passing on some info.






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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:20:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Tiki Room Tunes

In a message dated 98-09-11 11:05:43 EDT, an exoticat writes:

<< As someone pointed out a few weeks back,  there is
 only one song available on CD from the tiki room. >>

I think this is because the Official Music of Walt Disney World/Disney Land
can only hold about 75 minutes of music.  My CD has about 20 something tracks
and I guess to cover everything they could not put multiple cuts from the Tiki
Room.

Robert

P.S  I was listening to this CD tonight in my workshop while refinishing a
newly aquired Victrola.  And yes, my wife is a little pissed.  Like I need
another one.  But this one . . . .  oh, well -- more later.


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:42:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Disney, Disney, Disney and are we tired of this yet???

Eb wrote:

<< I guess it comes down to whether you think Disneyland (Disney World - ed)
primarily should be a
 source of entertainment, or a museum. I believe that we stand on opposite
 sides of that question. >>

Yeah, and I am just glad there there are more of us that are on my side of the
line than on his.

Still liking the Tiki Room, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and (don't even get
me started on) the Carosel of Progress.

Robert

In a message dated 98-09-11 16:16:04 EDT, Eb wrote in full:

<< >From: [e-mail]
 >
 >I appreciate the Tiki Room and 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea the same way I
 >appreciate a Victrola, the advent of the LP, the 8 track or the marvel of
the
 >CD.
 >All of these things represent technology at their highest when they debuted.
 >Think about it.  Can you imagine what the Tiki Room was like when it first
 >opened in the 1950. Audioanimatronics ! ! ! Wow.
 >Come on Eb, or any other skeptic out there, there is always some old,
 >nostalgic, antiquated, etc. thing out there that makes you smile because of
 >appreciation.

 I guess it comes down to whether you think Disneyland primarily should be a
 source of entertainment, or a museum. I believe that we stand on opposite
 sides of that question. >>


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:00:57 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) That Urinating Ride At Disney World I Love So Much

Eb uses the term vestigial in the phrase -  "Every submarine reeks of
vestigial kiddie urine"

What does this term have to do with urine on an amusement park ride?  I always
thought vestigial to mean "on the evolutionary path out".  So Eb is saying
that eventually that we will not have to urinate (at least if we are on a
submarine and a "kiddie")?  I am totally lost.  Of course I specialize on the
other end (eyes) so I don't really know what is going on with the "plumbing"
end.

Robert

FYI:
vestigial
Definition:
Refers to an organ or part (e.g., the human appendix) which is greatly reduced
from the original ancestral form and is no longer functional.


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:32:36 EST
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) On nostalgia

I think this whole thread started out from a comment about
Disney intending to close down the Enchanted Tiki Room. Well, I
would have liked to have visited the NY World's fair or for that
matter Las Vegas in the days of its neon greatness.  Ineviatbly things
change and it's almost always a business decision that causes
it, for better or worse. My contempt for Disney aside, I must
admit that they are simply responding to what our culture seemingly
demands, that being the expectation of something different all the
time. Yeah sure we could petition them to rethink this but we all
know how its going to unfold. I think it would be unrealistic to
think they could freeze Disneyland exactly as it was in the 50's. But
then again, they are playing on selective nostalgia in their
construction of whatever they call their perfect American Town out in
Florida. In fact all of these "new towns" are playing the same game
and reacting to concerns with pollution, crowding, crime, etc.
We all know you can't have it both ways (nothwithstanding Las Vegas'
"New York-New York" complex does try to deliver just that, with a
model "Paris" I believe now on the way) and this is nostalgia used as
an escape and in my opinion the reasons are all wrong.  We've seen
this happen throughout history and the results are ineviatably never
good.

But turning to music, it is a combination of generational and
attudinal values that seems to dictate taste. I think many would
be surprised that generational generalizations are not what they
would seem and I know many exceptions on this list, myself included.
By all counts I should be squarely into "New Age" right now...hmmm...
I won't delve into the socio-economic elements as I don't think
this is a discussion anyone would want to take up. We've certainly
witnessed on this list how the major record companies have attempted
to profit from the interest in Exotica. At the very least, I can say
that ReSearch Publications, the unofficial reporter (or should I say
creator) of fads for the sub-culture is very much responsible for
singlehandedly reviving the relatively widespread interest in this
music, certainly this was my starting point.  Let's just say that
before I read I.S. Nusic, I could never have imaginred I would ever
one day listen to one of my parents' Herb Alpert records and think it
wasn't half bad! For me, when I begin to worry is if I'm buying
nothing but those records I have on a set want list and I'm happy to
say that is not at all the case today as I couldn't keep up! I'm now
discovering a lot of old things I was simply never exposed to and I
find this to be a very enjoyable discovery process at that. In this
sense nostalgia viewed as a learning process is to me a good thing.

Keep on listening!

 Brian Karasick
Physical Planner
McGill University
Montreal, Canada


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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:16:55 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Raymond Scott

Or course I've heard the stuff Raymond Scott is famous for but what about
all this other stuff that's being released?
The reason I ask is because I picked up a record the other day:

"Amor" by Raymond Scott and his Swinging Strings

I searched the liner notes and came to the conclusion that it was indeed
THE Raymond Scott

I'm not complaining, it was 2 bucks and there's a half-naked blonde on the
cover but it's pretty mediocre.  It's not the worst record I own but then
the worst record I own isn't by THE Raymond Scott.

So when I read about these other releases do they sound more like this or
more like that other stuff?

All my heroes did all kinds of other records so I'm not surprised by this
in principle but I liked it better when I thought that Raymond Scott was
somehow forever working away on that same crazy shit of his.

I'm not sure I've ever seen this label "Everest".

Oh and the liner notes say : ... a friend had asked Raymond Scott "What can
you do with this rock and roll so that adults don't hate it?"

If this is rock and roll, then I'm Raymond Scott.

(Oops I was supposed to keep that a secret.  I'm really Randolph Scott.)

Nat



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