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exotica-digest         Thursday, July 23 1998         Volume 02 : Number 161



In This Digest:

(exotica) Writing on Cove/ Found Stuff
Re: (exotica) Rollcall
(exotica) Re: Twin Peaks
Re:  Re:  Re:  (exotica) New Ultra-Lounges
Re: (exotica) bootlegs
(exotica) Rollcall
(exotica) Re: Twin Peaks
Re: (exotica) Rollcall
Re: (exotica) bootleg
Re: (exotica) Esquivel bootleg
(exotica) 75 Years
Re: (exotica) Rollcall
RE: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks
Re: (exotica) bootleg
(exotica) beer spill... need stereo advice!
Re: (exotica) Rollcall
Re: (exotica) beer spill... need stereo advice!
Re: (exotica) Rollcall
RE: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks
Re: (exotica) bootlegs
Re: (exotica) Rollcall
(exotica) Found Stuff
Re: (exotica) bootleg
Re: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks
Re: (exotica) Supermarket Music
Re: (exotica) Esquivel bootleg
(exotica) David Garland's links
Re: (exotica) Lurkers
(exotica) FS: Records for bid
(exotica) Lorrain Bowen
Re: (exotica) bootlegs
Re:  (exotica) Swing Scene CDs Update
Re: (exotica) Lurkers
Re: (exotica) New Ultra-Lounges

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:25:09 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Writing on Cove/ Found Stuff

I have been ACHING to post this, but the site has been down,
and has moved because of a flaky ISP.

I have mentioned this site before, now I'm pleased to report
that one of my found photos plus an accompanying letter
has been featured here. This find turned up in a thrift-bought
French instruction record - I mentioned it recently, but
I highly recommend seeing it up-close and personal.

The other found objects/letters are a SCREAM. Kitty's
dream diary is a must-see too. I LOVE this site.

http://www.voicenet.com/~kitty62

Tell Kitty I sent ya!

Special thanks to M. ACE for hepping me to this jive.



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:44:28 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rollcall

The pool would be separate, and of course, strictly voluntary... Just for the
high-rollers
in the group. (ha!)

I have been getting more interested email on the pool than I have the poll.

It seems like there is not much real interest in polling to find out who all
is actually here, so the point is moot anyway. It would have been an interesting

excercise.

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 98-07-21 13:54:40 EDT, you write:
>
> << What might work is to have all active participants send an email to an
>  address OFF the list. A hotmail or yahoo! account can be set up in
>  minutes.
>  This would keep the actual list from getting cluttered. >>
>
> i don't know how to do this so what's the scoop.  i vote no on the lottery
> thing.  lots won't respond because they don't want to participate (pay) -- me
> included.
>
> i think a little list with name, where you are, demographics would be fun.
>
> robert





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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:09:36 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks

>At 10:54 AM 7/19/98 EDT, Robert wrote:
>
>>Are there any other fans of this show out there???  Any comments on the show
>>or music???

    I love the music too, some sort of moody spooky lounge cool jazz.
    I USED to prefer the TV soundtrack (maybe because of the length of
    some of the tracks), but gradually started liking the film soundtrack
    as much. Is there other instromnetal Badalamenti music out there that
    is about the same kind? "Blue Velvet" maybe?

        Johan


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:27:44 -0800
From: "paul m." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re:  Re:  (exotica) New Ultra-Lounges

>Brad worked as an Art Director at Capitol for many years (in fact, I think
>he still does), which is why the quality of the graphics is so high. He's
>an artist and published author of art books as well

i believe he was also owner/co owner of the cool early eighties pop
culture store (in l.a.) called 'Heaven"    a very fun place for a few years :)

paul moshay

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:31:02 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootlegs

m.ace wrote:

> This is beginning to sound like: "It's all those darned record companies fault!
> They're forcing people to be bootleggers!" Which may be true from some amoral
> theoretical viewpoint.
>
> Admittedly, it may be a slippery slope, but to me there seems to be a big
> difference between non-monetary tape trades and a production run of CDs. But if
> you want the karma of being one more parasite sucking from the souls of
> musicians, go ahead (yeesh -- pardon me -- overcooked that sentence).
>
> Full disclosure: I probably have a few CDs of questionable parentage, and I do
> feel a bit queasy about it.
>
> I guess you pushed a button here.

I get where you are coming from, Ace. I really do. I think I have been a little
misunderstood. (but only a little)

I am not trying to justify it by saying that the record companies (and other
interested parties) are wrong. I merely suggested that there is a WEALTH of
material that WILL NOT ever see the light of day again, and that reporoducing
limited quantities
in a PROFITLESS manner MIGHT be one reasonable solution to skyrocketing
vinyl prices.

It IS a slippery slope, and I DON'T want to be a part of the problem. I asked the
question
to help sort this thing out.  I'd really like to hear from more people on the
subject - especially those more closely tied to the industry.

I guess I don't have a very firm grasp on why it is so hard to get clearances on
this stuff for legitimate release in the first place.It seems to me that if there
are tapes languishing in a vault somewhere, companies would gladly allow someone
to front money to release the stuff and pay a "per piece" royalty. It's like that
turntable in my closet gathering dust:
If you asked to borrow it and would agree to pay me every time you played a record
on it, I would be thrilled. Heck, I might even learn that there is a market for
turntable rental
and decide to continue after you returned it.

But like I said - I don't know. I must be missing a piece of the puzzle. I



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:19:05 PDT
From: "Steve Akinnsaaw" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rollcall

As exotica list member #382 I now believe it is important that I lurk no
longer and speak up.   First the rules require that I introduce myself.
I do not exist except on the www.  I usually do not have anything to add
to the more often then not brilliant observations posted to the list.

I do belive that Lazlo has no problems with lurkers as the rules do not
prohibit lurking.  With that said Exotica List Member Number 382 will go
back to reading the voluminous intelligent exoticat posts.  I do not
believe there is a more intelligent discussion forum any where in any
media on music that compares with us (Its now us since I have finally
posted!)

Thanks for a great discussion group that doesn't require its members to
post just to post.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:24:23 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Hess Jeffery)
Subject: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks

Does anyone out there know how to smoke a cheese pig?















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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:36:29 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rollcall

On Wed, Jul 22, 1998 at 10:19:05AM -0700, Steve Akinnsaaw wrote:

> I do belive that Lazlo has no problems with lurkers as the rules do not
> prohibit lurking.

You believe correctly.  Jeez, talk about trying to push water uphill if I felt
any differently!  It's a rare discussion group indeed that ever sees more than
5-10% of its readers post on a regular basis -- that's just the nature of
things online.  Hell, I'm on at least forty lists over and above the dozen or
so I run -- I *have* to lurk on most of 'em just to stay sane and employed!

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:04:32 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootleg

> If I was an
> artist bootlegged like that my opinion would alternate between on one
> hand being happy that at least someone is interested in publishing the
> stuff I made decades ago and on the other hand being pissed that I don't
> get a dime for the publication of my art.

MO brings up a point I was aware of last night, but avoided for brevity. For
many artists, getting the work out there can be much more important than the
money. Which can easily be used as justification for bootlegs. But I also feel
that just because artists' unique value system lends itself to such
manipulation and rationalizing, that doesn't make it alright. Creating music is
hard work (even if it is called "playing"), and deserves a little respect and
recompense. Artists get enough crap from the "legit" industry without having it
compounded by secondary parasitism.

It's difficult, yes, but not impossible to do it legitimately -- witness Scamp
and others. Though as industry people on the list have indicated, the majors
sure do throw up the barricades around the tapes.

Or maybe I have this all wrong, and the discussion was about the morals of
*buying* bootlegs. I thought it was about manufacturing bootlegs. Anyway, the
consensus around here seems to be that the ends justify the means, so never
mind.

Ron, no personal slams intended -- you asked for opinions, and these were mine.

m.ace  [e-mail]
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:48:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Esquivel bootleg

I always got a kick out of the way Frank Zappa handled his bootlegs,
he released copies of the boot,  without any improvements other then a
lower price tag.

Bootlegs have  served a purpose in providing the consumer with albums
that may never have seen the light of day.   Smile by the Beach Boys
has been out for many years while capital still is trying to figure
out what to do.

Easy listening in the Big Easy,
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 08:49:44 Pacific Daylight Time
From: darren hutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) 75 Years

In America it is, I believe, 75 years. Irving Berlin lived long enough to see may of his earlier copyrights expire.

Darren!


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:11:40 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rollcall

Lazlo Nibble wrote:

>  Hell, I'm on at least forty lists over and above the dozen or
> so I run -- I *have* to lurk on most of 'em just to stay sane and employed!

Mein Gott! Laszlo, what are you doing with all that knowledge that you collect?
I hardly find time just to read the postings of the Exotica list!

Curiously
MO



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:14:40 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks

In a cheese pig pipe?

> Does anyone out there know how to smoke a cheese pig?
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:15:50 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootleg

m.ace:

> Or maybe I have this all wrong, and the discussion was about the morals of
> *buying* bootlegs. I thought it was about manufacturing bootlegs. Anyway, the
> consensus around here seems to be that the ends justify the means, so never
> mind.
>
Well... I think the discussion is about justifying the manufacturing of
bootlegs by buying them.

Let me try to summarize:

Some great music wouldn't be available at all without bootlegs.
The rights of the artists have to be protected.
It's too expensive up to nearly impossible to find out who exactly owns
the rights of many of the obscure music of the past.
The musicians themselves might be dead already.
If nobody publishes their music anymore it is OK to make a bootleg, if
you're the better expert / greater fan of that said music. (If musicians
still live you should try to ask them before you publish their work.
They might not want it to be published at all or in a certain context of
a compilation. If you do without asking, they have the good right to sue
you.)
It's hard to tell what's the case when you're encountered with a bootleg
in a record shop. So what do you do? Buy it. If the bootleg is
successful, the potentially unasked artist may rather become aware of
the fact that his music is out there on a bootleg and decide for himself
what to do. Or the legal owners might start an interest in rereleasing
the music of their artist themselves....

Does the Kopyright Liberation Front have any answers to this tricky
problem? Laszlo, aren't you the founder of the KLF-list as well?

I like that Zappa-solution, that Chuck suggested...

MO



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:29:43 -1000
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Funk)
Subject: (exotica) beer spill... need stereo advice!

So last night, I was listening to Coltrane's "Transition", and somewhere in
the middle of "Suite", I accidentally knocked over a beer can, and beer
spilled through the ventillation grid, directly into my stereo receiver...

I quickly shut it off, cleaned up the spill, and waited a while. When I
turned on the receiver again, I heard scary crackling noises and quickly
turned it off. Then I proceeded, against the manual's advice, to remove the
cover and dry out the inside of the amp.

Then, I turned it on, and it immediately indicated "OVERLOAD"... the same
thing happened this morning, and I figured I better not fool around with it
anymore.

Have any of you on this list had a similar spill experience and can offer
me any advice? Is this thing worth fixing, or is it doomed? I can't seem to
get any straight answers from repair shops around here.

Thanks.


***     ***     ***
Steve Funk
([e-mail])
Anchorage, AK
USA




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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:11:40 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rollcall

Lazlo Nibble wrote:

>  Hell, I'm on at least forty lists over and above the dozen or
> so I run -- I *have* to lurk on most of 'em just to stay sane and employed!

Mein Gott! Laszlo, what are you doing with all that knowledge that you collect?
I hardly find time just to read the postings of the Exotica list!

Curiously
MO



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:46:29 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) beer spill... need stereo advice!

Your only hope is that you did no damage when you turned it back on.
A short circuit caused by the presence of liquid can be quite
detrimental to an appliance that is turned on. (I hope you
unplugged the unfortunate device, too.)

The fact that it can indicate "overload" must mean that this is newer
digital equipment, which is far more finicky and subject to
these kinds of problems - especially if the beer brought voltage
somewhere it shouldn't oughta be brung.

I had multiple beer spills down the back of a TV back in my
college days. It got to be a regular thing. We let it dry for a day or
two and VOILA! It worked again. For a time, we even re-used the
sign stating: "Beer Spill - do not use TV." Doncha just LOVE roomates?

I know a radio engineer who brought a mothballed sound console to the
local self-serve carwash to hose out the cobwebs and dust (after first
unplugging and removing the amp modules) After a long blow-dry and some
time in the sun, it was ready for some further refurbishing and was
put into service shortly thereafter.


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:49:36 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rollcall

Lazlo Nibble wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 1998 at 10:19:05AM -0700, Steve Akinnsaaw wrote:
>
> > I do belive that Lazlo has no problems with lurkers as the rules do not
> > prohibit lurking.

Oooh... I did not mean to suggest that lurkers are not welcome...
I thought it would be fun to have a count to see who is really
on board. But then, I AM easily entertained...


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:14:40 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks

In a cheese pig pipe?

> Does anyone out there know how to smoke a cheese pig?
>


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:59:30 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootlegs

At 10:31 AM +0000 7/22/98, Ron Grandia wrote:

>I guess I don't have a very firm grasp on why it is so hard to get
>clearances on
>this stuff for legitimate release in the first place.

greed

>It seems to me that if there
>are tapes languishing in a vault somewhere, companies would gladly allow
>someone
>to front money to release the stuff and pay a "per piece" royalty.

They will (after they think about it for a year or two), if you have
bundles of cash. But the front money is so high, nobody will take a chance.
Especially after a record has been bootlegged.....which is why the
legitimate releases of "Genius Of Esquivel", "Esquivel '68" and Dean
Elliot's "Zounds! What Sounds!" were all cancelled a couple of years ago,
after the boots appeared.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:17:51 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Rollcall

I HAVE to learn how to be more clear about what I am
trying to say. Apologies for being a bit hard to
understand, Steve or ANYONE who thought that I don't
like lurkers. I do not wish to expunge lurkers from the
list - I would be pleased to find that all 320+ souls
are still hiding in the shadows waiting to answer some
unanswerable question.

I am merely interested in having an accurate head count
of active members INCLUDING lurkers. Just for the
sake of it. I thought it would be sorta fun. Just
for a lark. (not a lurk) : )


Thanks for speaking up, though. And I am glad you are
enjoying the list. please continue

Sincerely,

Ron Grandia

I (heart) Lurkers!


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:13:16 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Found Stuff

At 09:25 AM 7/22/98 +0000, Ron Grandia wrote:
>I have mentioned this site before, now I'm pleased to report
>that one of my found photos plus an accompanying letter
>has been featured here.
>The other found objects/letters are a SCREAM. I LOVE this site.
>
>http://www.voicenet.com/~kitty62


Sam "Magic Whistle" Henderson has recently opened a site to showcase his
collection of found photos. Y'all should take a peek. Here's his grand
opening announcement:

Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:47:29 EDT
To: [e-mail]
Subject: The People's Photos

You have been selected as part of an elite group of found photo afficionados
to be informed about THE PEOPLE'S PHOTOS, a collection of found photographs
from the collection of Mr. Sam Henderson and posted on the web by Mr. John
Culhane. A first draft of the page should be available for viewing this week
at http://www.spillway.com/found/ . If not yet available, we recommend you try
again a few days later. Should there be a different URL, we shall notify you
as soon as possible.

SH



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:15:50 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootleg

m.ace:

> Or maybe I have this all wrong, and the discussion was about the morals of
> *buying* bootlegs. I thought it was about manufacturing bootlegs. Anyway, the
> consensus around here seems to be that the ends justify the means, so never
> mind.
>
Well... I think the discussion is about justifying the manufacturing of
bootlegs by buying them.

Let me try to summarize:

Some great music wouldn't be available at all without bootlegs.
The rights of the artists have to be protected.
It's too expensive up to nearly impossible to find out who exactly owns
the rights of many of the obscure music of the past.
The musicians themselves might be dead already.
If nobody publishes their music anymore it is OK to make a bootleg, if
you're the better expert / greater fan of that said music. (If musicians
still live you should try to ask them before you publish their work.
They might not want it to be published at all or in a certain context of
a compilation. If you do without asking, they have the good right to sue
you.)
It's hard to tell what's the case when you're encountered with a bootleg
in a record shop. So what do you do? Buy it. If the bootleg is
successful, the potentially unasked artist may rather become aware of
the fact that his music is out there on a bootleg and decide for himself
what to do. Or the legal owners might start an interest in rereleasing
the music of their artist themselves....

Does the Kopyright Liberation Front have any answers to this tricky
problem? Laszlo, aren't you the founder of the KLF-list as well?

I like that Zappa-solution, that Chuck suggested...

MO



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:42:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Twin Peaks

Some years back I purchased a Julie Cruise cd that had music much like
Twin Peaks but with her vocals.  It is simply stunning music.   David
Lynch must like his music easy.   I also saw a video of Julie Cruise
directed by David Lynch and she was laying seductively in the back of
a car trunk being fanned with smoke rising up while she crooned the
song.

Easy Listening in the Big Easy,
Chuck


Robert wrote:
> >
> >>Are there any other fans of this show out there???  Any comments
on the show or music???

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:17:38 -0500
From: nancy novotny <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Supermarket Music

chuck wrote:

> I am still searching for the Lorrain Bowen Experience. Does anyone of
> you other 328 exoticats know anything about this band or more
> importantly where I can find their cd?
>

I, too, love the "Music to Watch Comets By" compilation (shouldn't that,
technically, be "Music By Which to Watch Comets?...nah, not nearly as cool).
I've had an eye out for Lorraine Bowen releases since hearing her two great
tracks (especially "Space...") on that comp, but I've never seen any full
lengths anywhere either.  I did discover, however, that there is a track by The
Lorraine Bowen Experience on a compilation called "Misfits," put out, methinks,
by those Volume CD/Magazine people.  I don't own it, but the radio station at
which I dj has a copy, so I'll check it for details this weekend.  It's a
collection of oddball Brit acts that tend to defy genre pigeonholing.  Lorraine
Bowen's track is a very cute number about how much she loves to make crumble...

(newish listie officially de-lurks...)

nancy



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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:39:19 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Esquivel bootleg

Here is my view on bootlegs.

I generally don't buy them.  If I own any, I didn't know they were
bootlegs when I got them.  I have a hard enough time deciding what to
buy from the legitimate releases, the last thing I need is to multiply
my choices by throwing all the bootleg releases onto my 'available to
buy' list.

I can go into Tower records and walk into any section of music and find
within 10 feet of me a CD that I would like to have. I know there are
buyers out there who must have every single available version of every
song from their favorite artists, and I have nothing against them, but I
myself am more than happy with what is legally available.  If I have
some money to spend, I would prefer to listen to a new artist or style I
know little about.

I'm sure that I'm missing out on a lot of exciting music that is only
available on bootlegs, but I'm also missing out on all the other
possible interesting lifestles I could be leading.  I try though to be
happy with what is readily available through my normal 'eclectic
channels' rather than being de-moralized by what I don't own or
experience.

The 'Esquivel 1968' does sound very exciting - I might consider buying
it if it were formally released.  There are several fantastic concerts
I've been to over the years that I would love to hear again, but rather
than take the time to hunt down these bootlegs, I'm more likely to
purchase some other new lounge artist or something else that appears
interesting.

There is this notion that the person who will seek the artists bootlegs
is the bigger 'fan' than the person who only buys one legitimate
release. I refuse to believe that the biggest fan is the person who owns
the 'most' versions of an artist.  That's just probably the only way
that our consumer society has of measuring 'fan worthiness.'

Hey, for all we know, the greatest Esquivel fan could be someone on a
very tight budget who owns only one Esquivel CD and knows nothing about
the rest of his music or the exotica scene, but crys tears of joy while
listening to that CD over and over and over.


Vern
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P.O. Box 1232  Lorton, VA  22199-1232


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:25:49 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) David Garland's links

David Garland, host of WNYC-FM's swanky Spinning On Air show, has loaded a
page of interesting links. Take a peek, whydoncha!?

< http://wnyc.org/music/spinning/garland070798.html >

- --Lou




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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:40:24 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lurkers

In a message dated 98-07-16 06:59:22 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< I'm sure I've written this before, but some lurkers are people who don't
 speak English as a first language and don't necessarily want to take the
 time to write stuff in English to the list. Lots of reasons to lurk,
y'know...

 Jill "Mingo-go" >>

Is this an "English Only" list?  How come they don't post in their native
languages?

- - Michele


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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 23:17:59 -0000
From: Michael D. Toth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) FS: Records for bid

If anyone's interested, I've got 30 or so records I'm unloading -- mostly
duplicates of stuff I since found better copies of. There are several
Moog, Theremin, Exotica, Space Age Pop, etc. classics/essentials -- all
instrumental records except for one Francoise Hardy promo LP. I set some
initial/minimum bids at what I considered to be pretty cheap, reasonable
prices (most hovering in the $5 range).

For the records and more info:

http://members.aol.com/TothMD/lps4bid/

I've sold records a few times over e-mail auctions, but this is the first
time I'm trying this particular bidding method through a Web page.
(Hopefully there won't be too many bugs in the process :-) ) E-mail me
directly with any questions.

Michael David Toth
[e-mail]




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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:56:06 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lorrain Bowen

chuck wrote:
>
>> I am still searching for the Lorrain Bowen Experience. Does anyone of
>> you other 328 exoticats know anything about this band or more
>> importantly where I can find their cd?

I know she has a recent CD out called "Greatest Hits 2". It's a British
release, and that's about all I know - - but I'm hoping to receive a copy
in the next few days, so I'll pass along the info. She lives in London,
performed a few weeks ago at Club Indigo, and recently recorded vocals on
the next Fantastic Plastic Machine album (due next year).

br cleve




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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:55:20 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootlegs

At 10:31 AM 22/07/98 +0000, Ron Grandia wrote:

>> This is beginning to sound like: "It's all those darned record companies
fault!
>> They're forcing people to be bootleggers!" Which may be true from some
amoral theoretical viewpoint.

Who cares about the record companies one way or the other?  Yeah so they're
greedy capitalists.  Or not all of them.  Either way, doesn't matter much
to me nor does it play in my feeling about bootlegs.

A couple of months ago, someone on this list asked if anyone had a certain
record he remembered from his youth.  As it happened, I had it.  Which was
cool for both of us.  This record also had a rather distinctive front cover
which was a big part of his memory of the record.  So I xeroxed it and
managed to fit it onto a cassette cover.

The record is on the label Promenade.  I've never heard of it but for all I
know, the catalogue is now owned by Michael Jackson.  The point is, what's
the chance this record will be reissued?

What if I had a recording CD player and this listmember - who ain't exactly
a wallflower - posted some glowing report about the record.  It is pretty
unique, I'll say that.  And what if it didn't take up a whole CD so I
decided to add to the end of the CD some cuts from this 10 inch I have on
Parlophone by the Maori Entertainers?  And thirty of you with questionable
taste - I guess there'd be more than thirty - then wanted a copy?

Are you just supposed to wait and see what THEY offer us?

On the other hand, I guess you could make the argument that by buying my
newly minted "Taboo" release, you would be taking money out of the mouths
of the new generation of Maori Entertainers.

Okay forget it.

Nat




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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:53:52 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Swing Scene CDs Update

>I was just speaking to Tom, a very knowlegeable seller of exotica at >Other
Music in NYC and Tom stated his store does not sell any >swingscene cds.

>I think this is because either the store is across from Tower and the
>purchasers buy their records at a more familiar store or the swing >dancers
are just not big record buyers.

Talked to Michael of Swing Time magazine (about 5,000 circulation) here in SF
and he said that a lot of Swing bands depend on his mag to get the word out
about their releases and sell a lot via mail order or directly at gigs
This is more akin to the punk scene and a luxury that Exotica records would
not be able to enjoy (ie there are only a handful of exotica mags and their
combined circulation is under 5000 and no Exotica bands tour)

>will come to a trickle due in part by the swing scene and in part to th
marketing style of the majors looking for the next IN thing.
This has already happened over at Scamp where parent company Caroline cut
their release schedule this year. Their only release so far that I am aware of
is the fantastic/mandatory Peter Thomas (German of "Space Patrol" fame)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:03:10 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lurkers

In a message dated 98-07-20 14:47:27 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< well, i;ve been lurking for a while and havent posted anything. and for
 this i;m sorry. i promise to post more often. i'd like to say hi. and to
 michelle i'd like to say hi and thank you very, very much for inviting
 me to the dinner/meet-up at encounters a few months back.my friend s
 and  i had lots of fun and we really enjoyed it.  also another question
 for michelle, have you been to bollucks yet? tht's the new punk club
 that is taking over from where jabberjaw left off only without the emo
 thing. >>

Ken!   I  was wondering what happend to you - if you were no longer on the
computer or what!  Yes, thank you for coming!!  We will have to do a new
dinner soon.  Haven't been to the new club yet, but it sounds interestingg.
Don't be a stranger.

- - Michele


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:03:14 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) New Ultra-Lounges

In a message dated 98-07-21 15:18:47 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< Because of an incredibly bizzare year at Capitol (first the company was
 split in 2, and the vice president was made president of catalog, i.e. old
 product, while the former president only was responsible for new releases
 and bands; then parent company EMI put the whole label up for sale),
 everything got delayed. Benedict finally got his label - Coolsville - up
 and running this year; the first release was the Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
 album. The compilation is still due, with a new title I believe, later this
 year. The companion CD "Ultra Lounge : Sounds From The Acid Lounge", which
 was a comp of electronic acts such as Mu-siq......" >>

You can always count on Br. Clever for the dirt!

- - Michele


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