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exotica-digest         Tuesday, July 14 1998         Volume 02 : Number 152



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk  rockers....
(exotica) Into the next millenium...
(exotica) Chris Montez
(exotica) Old lounge fans never die...
(exotica) Thrift store rent-a-record
Re: (exotica) Into the next millenium...
(exotica) Lee Hazelwood
Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk  rockers....
Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk    rockers....
Re: (exotica) advice on cleaning needed
Re: (exotica) Lee Hazelwood
(exotica) Advice On Cleaning
(exotica) I went to Augusta and found NO Exotica, but...
(exotica) Lurkers
Re: (exotica) Swingin' Journalism
Re: (exotica) Lurkers
(exotica) misanthropy 961 playlist & now online
(exotica) jumbo shrimp
Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk  rockers....
(exotica) two questions
(exotica) elecxotica?
Re: (exotica) Swingin' Journalism
Re: (exotica) elecxotica?
(exotica) swing vs. lounge and polka
Re: (exotica) Any sightings of Jerry Reed
Re: (exotica) elecxotica?
Re: (exotica) Any sightings of Jerry Reed
(exotica) Sabu und Tony
Re: (exotica) elecxotica?
Re: (exotica) elecxotica?

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:29:02 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk  rockers....

At 2:33 PM -0400 7/12/98, [e-mail] wrote:


>But how do tiki's and martini's fit into their scene?  I can't see how
>those icons can be
>appropriated.

It really doesn't make any sense, it's just marketing people thinking
"retro". What did fezes ever have to do with lounge? Tikis are fine with
Martin Denny, but they have nothing to do with Esquivel or Jean Jacques
Perrey. Let's face it - they call the music 'swing', but it has nothing to
do with Benny Goodman or Duke Ellington; it's really jump blues from the
late 40's-early 50's. But did Louie Jordan or Wynonie Harris ever wear a
zoot suit, which was actually a sign of rebellion during World War 2 (when
long jackets meant extra cotton, which was rationed)? What does Combustible
Edison have to do with The Rat Pack? Are the Squirrel Nut Zippers a swing
band, even though they play 'le jazz hot'? It seems that any pre-1960
imagery is thrown into this stylistic pastiche, just as love beads and
headbands represent the 60's, and smiley faces and disco balls represent
the 70's.

>So are you saying this is primarily a youngsters scene??  I know that there's
>lots of 30+ age people who like to dance swing recreationally, but they are
>not the ones buying recs of the new swing bands, right?

I wouldn't say it's primarily younger, but there's a lot of 'em in their
early 20's. And this music, at least where I live, is in the Top 10 on the
big commercial rock stations, and historically younger listeners buy more
records based on what they hear on radio. At the moment, the bands are
still playing clubs which serve alcohol, so I don't know if there are 16
year olds in zoot suits out there yet.

>Doesn't look like the corporate retro TV stations are
>ready to abandon us either.  Of course they may just be "late" to realize that
>the corporate record industry has "abandoned" the lounge scene for swing.
>Maybe new week Nick will have swing dancing graphics for their ads instead.

It's quite conceivable.........I'm currently recording a Swing piece for
Cinemax (for whom I do much of the logo music). But lounge has had a good
friend in movies and TV, and I think it will continue to be used, as
marketers like retro since it implies fun and carefree.

So is lounge dead? No, I don't think so. Maybe, like in electronic dance
clubs, jitterbuggerer's will need a 'chill out' room, which could be a faux
Polynesian lounge serving up Mai Tai's with swinging exotic sounds in the
background. The two can coincide, I think. But Swing is translating into
mucho dinero right now for record labels, dance schools, night clubs, radio
stations and bands (most of whom are on small indie labels at the moment),
so you'll hear a lot more about it than you'll hear about, say, some new
Esquivel reissue.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:27:05 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Into the next millenium...

Folks,

A colleague sent me an email, not about music, but about
changes that are happening in his locale.  He summed it up

>All part of the throwing out of the old at the end of the 20th century.

When you think about it, this is likely to be the case in
a lot of areas, recorded music included.  Whether
things _need_ to be changed or not, there's bound to
be an underlying urge to have in place something new
and shiny to greet the 21st Century.

Can the 329 of us define Exotica for Y2k so as to give the
record companies something to run with?

Hugh.





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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:27:07 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Chris Montez

Hot on the heels of a recent thread, Chris Montez
will be touring the UK from October 22 for a month
as part of an All-American Solid Gold show.

Dave Brubeck is also taking a 40th Anniversary tour
around the UK at around the same time.

These concerts are like buses: none comes along for
ages, then you get two or three together....

Hugh.



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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 21:50:40 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Old lounge fans never die...

All this talk of swing being the new thing just makes me laugh. Really I
could care...

I like to picture myself as a lounge fan ten or fifteen years from now
when any public recognition has completely died away. What I see is akin
to the typical DooWop fan now. I picture a bunch of smelly post-middle
age wierdos sitting around in a sticky vinyl booth of their favorite run
down tiki bar for hours going on and on arguing about who was in Martin
Denny's line-up from one album to the next.


Frank
(no offense to any DooWop fans)


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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 21:50:42 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Thrift store rent-a-record

I like to see the thrift store finds if only to get a demographics of
what's being found where. I myself am a little too selfconscious of
posting my own finds. But hey if you've got bragging rights why not use
'em. It's also reassuring to know that the stuff is still out there,
especially when I go through a drought, even though I'll be envious as
hell.

I tend to pick up quite a few records partly for my radio show, if I can
find an album with at least one good track I can at the very least play
it for one show. I will also stash albums for a year or two and see if I
come around to it.

Why do I take such chances on LP's? Well I have a theory on renting
records. If you compare it to renting videos (which go for $2.50/three
days at my video haunt) then at .50 to $1.00, the usual thrift store
prices, an LP is a real deal. If I listen to a dollar record and don't
really like it, sure I'm dissapointed same as you'd be if you got a video
you didn't like, but do I feel like I'm out any cash? No way, for I've
only rented it, I'm not out one cent!

Frank

My Vinyl Recliner - Music from the in-seam of the 50's and 60's
Every Tuesday night from 10 - 11:30 on WMPG 90.9fm, Portland Maine!



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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:00 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Into the next millenium...

At 11:27 PM 12/07/98 +0100, Hugh Petfield wrote:
> Whether
>things _need_ to be changed or not, there's bound to
>be an underlying urge to have in place something new
>and shiny to greet the 21st Century.

Well I know this doesn't help you people on the list who need the record
companies to see exotica as viable, but for me the prospect of people en
masse throwing out the old, gets me excited.
More stuff for me to pick up.
Unless of course, I'm part of the old stuff that gets thrown out.  But then
I've never been "in" enough for them to notice me when they want to throw
out stuff.

I guess you've heard the stories about all the 78's that were dumped during
the war for much-needed shellac.
I'm not a big 78 collector but even I have winced when those stories come
up.  "Imagine what they destroyed.  Imagine what they threw away".

I just hope that when they throw away all the old records, they give them
to Goodwill and not send them to the landfill sites which I know does
happen occasionally already.

On New Year's Eve, a year and a half from now, I'll be partying like it's
1999, which will probably mean I'll be at home alone and then the next day
- - or the day after that - I'll be at the Goodwill store waiting for the
piles of castoffs.

Nat



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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:52:47 -0700
From: Dave Davidson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lee Hazelwood

Not being familiar with the work of Lee Hazelwood, I began hunting for his
LP's after the not-so-recent thread about his work.  I looked everywhere,
including the collector's shops, where I was told if I was lucky enough to
find one, I should expext to pay $35-$40.  I thought maybe I could at least
give one a listen at the collector's shop, to find out what the hooplah was
about, but still no Lee.

So today I broke down and bought "Fairytales and Fantasies - The Best of
Nancy and Lee" CD (Rhino), which is the complete "Nancy and Lee" album from
1968, and three cuts off "Nancy and Lee Again" from 1972.

I like it a lot (after one listen), he kind of reminds me of a hybrid
between Kris Kristofferon and Leonard Cohen, but heavily sedated.  My
question for the panel is this:  On his subsequent albums ("Poet, Fool or
Bum", European releases), did his music evolve much from the music on this
CD, or is the style of his later work pretty consistent with his work with
Nancy?

Wondering,

Dave


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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:46:27 -0500
From: Robert Sloane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk  rockers....

At 06:29 PM 7/12/98 -0400, Br. Cleve wrote:
>
>It really doesn't make any sense, it's just marketing people thinking
>"retro". . . . It seems that any pre-1960
>imagery is thrown into this stylistic pastiche, just as love beads and
>headbands represent the 60's, and smiley faces and disco balls represent
>the 70's.

Yes, excellent point.  Incidentally, I recently heard a single from the
Brian Setzer album on the local commercial college station.  It was "Jump,
Jive, an' Wail" . . . a cover of the very same song used in the Gap's swing
ad (done, I believe, by Louis Prima).  So, hmmm . . . which came first?
Anybody know the story on this one?  Sounds like it might involve a shrewd
piece of cross-marketing.  And referencing Prima is another piece of
evidence for the slippery use of styles described here by Br. Cleve;
although the song sounds like the contemporary definition of "swing,"
Prima's often lumped in with the Vegas wing of the "lounge" set.


>But lounge has had a good
>friend in movies and TV, and I think it will continue to be used, as
>marketers like retro since it implies fun and carefree.

Yeah . . . has anybody seen _Out of Sight_ yet?  The film uses three
exotica numbers--tastefully, not overtly or campily--as situational
background music.  One is an Esquivel song (the name of which escapes me)
that I believe was written by one of his wives.  The other two are Walter
Wanderly's versions of (I think) "The Girl from Ipanema" and "Mas Que
Nada."  (Those titles might be wrong, but it was two Wanderly songs, anyway.)

Rob



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:05:28 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk    rockers....

At 10:46 PM -0500 7/12/98, Robert Sloane wrote:

> I recently heard a single from the
>Brian Setzer album on the local commercial college station.  It was "Jump,
>Jive, an' Wail" . . . a cover of the very same song used in the Gap's swing
>ad (done, I believe, by Louis Prima).  So, hmmm . . . which came first?
>Anybody know the story on this one?  Sounds like it might involve a shrewd
>piece of cross-marketing.

You got it! The song was recorded nearly a month after the album was done
(it does not appear on the promo copies, incidently), in order to cash in
on the Gap ad. It is now advertised as "Featuring the Hit Single 'Jump,
Jive, an' Wail'", although I haven't heard it on the radio yet. But I bet I
will.

I skimmed the cover story, "Swing", of the current issue of Jazziz today. I
was curious to find that it was essentially the same article that's been
written over and over about lounge for the last 4 years, but just
alternated the word 'swing'. Yet it made no mention of lounge. Very curious.

br cleve




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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:03:00 +1000 (EST)
From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) advice on cleaning needed

On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> really dusty one (plus it sounds like crap). There are several record cleaning
> systems for sale but at $300.00 and up I am unlikely to buy one of these,
>
> Any advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>
I built my own one of these after examining a VIP (I think). It cost me
about $20.00 in parts not including the vacuum cleaner. It does a good
job but I can't compare with a commercial product because i wouldn't
shell out the $1.00 a side the shop was asking to clean records for the
public.

I used an old turntable ($8.00) some pieces of plastic pipe and tubing
from a watering system and some velvet. I attach it to wet/dry vacuum but
I don't think the amount of liquid would really bother a normal vacuum
cleaner anyway.

Because of the Australian dollar being so hopeless against the US$ a VIP
in Australia costs about $900 so mine is Heath Robinson but effective.

I've now been able to buy and recover albums that I probably would have
passed on before building the machine so it's definitely worth the effort.

Bye


                      _---_      Philip Jackson      ()_()
                   ?  V. .V      Melbourne           |. .|  !
                       \ /       Australia            \ /
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:55:03 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lee Hazelwood

At 20:52 12/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Not being familiar with the work of Lee Hazelwood, I began hunting for his
>LP's after the not-so-recent thread about his work.  I looked everywhere,
>including the collector's shops, where I was told if I was lucky enough to
>find one, I should expext to pay $35-$40.  I thought maybe I could at least
>give one a listen at the collector's shop, to find out what the hooplah was
>about, but still no Lee.

He ain't an easy one to find. I've found him cheap lately, but after vast
amounts of looking.
>
>So today I broke down and bought "Fairytales and Fantasies - The Best of
>Nancy and Lee" CD (Rhino), which is the complete "Nancy and Lee" album from
>1968, and three cuts off "Nancy and Lee Again" from 1972.
>
>I like it a lot (after one listen), he kind of reminds me of a hybrid
>between Kris Kristofferon and Leonard Cohen, but heavily sedated.  My
>question for the panel is this:  On his subsequent albums ("Poet, Fool or
>Bum", European releases), did his music evolve much from the music on this
>CD, or is the style of his later work pretty consistent with his work with
>Nancy?

I would avoid his European stuff on the whole. Poet Fool is pretty good -
sounds a lot more slick and polished, but one of his few good later LPs,
IMHO (also the consensus of my Lee pals around town). After that, most of
his Swedish releases get kinda scholcky,although the hardcore Lee fans buy
them all.  He is an awfully old guy now. Recently his own LHI label has
released "Poet" and a few others, all with TONS of extra tracks - another
LPs worth. These aren't too expensive either. Even the famed LP with Ann
Margaret has been re-released - even though it isn't one of his best in my
opinion (in a few others too).

Tape swaps for Lee is a definite possibility if you want to email direct.

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:22:18 -0400
From: Mark Renwick <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Advice On Cleaning

I'm very satisfied with the Nitty Gritty vacuum cleaning system.  I've ha=
d
it a little over a year.

- --Mark
  Jacksonville, Florida
  [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:08:41 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) I went to Augusta and found NO Exotica, but...

1.  Saw "The Truman Show" heard the Jackie Davis song, saw the Arthur Lyman
album.
2. The Atlanta WB affiliate is bragging about it's summer programs.  What do
I see? Tikis. (?)
3. While in Infernal Racket, I saw a flyer from Dionysus records, complete
with tikis advertising Robert Drasnin's Voodoo.  I asked the owner how it's
been selling and he said, "I just put the flyer up.  Never had the CD.  I
don't have much luck with "Garage" stuff".  Sigh.

Brian Phillips, with a post that hopefully pleases everyone.




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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:27:38 -0500
From: "Mark D. Head" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lurkers

I have lurked this list for months now.  I did attempt to post twice, my
posts were rejected for being "excessively lengthy" which was b.s. and
frustrated me so I haven't tried since.  Anyway, I enjoy about 1/4 of
what's posted and scan the digest format for that which interests me,
which is primarily core lounge music as contrasted with exotica, tiki,
surf, etc.  I define core lounge as the 60's now sound grooves with
jazz/pop basic hooks, etc.  Like all discussion groups, I note that this
one gets rather far afield from time to time but that's the nature of
things and I just skip past what's not of interest.  Works for me, and I
appreciate the list very much!
- --

     Mark D. Head
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:35:29 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Journalism

> I skimmed the cover story, "Swing", of the current issue of Jazziz today. I
> was curious to find that it was essentially the same article that's been
> written over and over about lounge for the last 4 years, but just
> alternated the word 'swing'. Yet it made no mention of lounge. Very curious.
>
> br cleve

Thanks, that's a hoot! I had a feeling that would be happening. Just switch a
few keywords in the template. And I'd imagine on a Swing Mailing List
somewhere, they're complaining about misrepresentation of their scene (as we
did so often around here).

m.ace  [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:49:58 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lurkers

At 10:27 AM 13/07/98 -0500, Mark D. Head wrote:

> I define core lounge as the 60's now sound grooves with
>jazz/pop basic hooks, etc.

Well this allows me to indulge one of my semantic arguments.  Or maybe it's
more than semantics.
Is there a difference between what some people now call "loungecore" (or
core lounge) and what was basically called "instrumental rock" at the time?
The Ventures or Booker T. covering a "vocal" hit song of the time.

I don't really remember but at the time I assume the Hollyridge Strings
weren't filed in the same section of the record store as the Ventures.
And I would have turned up my nose at the records if they had been.  But I
might have done the same thing for a lot of the Ventures stuff.

I have a number of surprisingly groovy "loungecore" records by bands I've
never heard of - if indeed they are bands - like "The Senator" and
sometimes I ponder whether they would have just been filed with "rock" or
with "easy listening" back in the day.

Well lurker?

Nat



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:12:44 -0400
From: misanthropy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) misanthropy 961 playlist & now online

MISANTHROPY 961--p.o.box 23093--detroit, mi 48223 u.s.
e-mail: [e-mail]

CJAM is now online with Real Audio. You can now hear Misanthropy 961
every Sunday night(Monday morning)from midnight -2 am e.s.t. live on
your computer. Write yourself a note to stay up late/get up early. Look
for us at: http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/live.htm

RADIO PLAYLIST (edited for exotica content)

ARTIST--TITLE--CD/CASS/LP--LABEL

JUNE 22, 1998/ RADIO MARABU JULY, 1998

TELETUBBIES--title song--fun w/ the teletubbies--BBC
ANDRE POPP--java--delirium in hi-fi--BASTA
NURSE W/ WOUND--rock n roll station--2nd pirate session--UNITED DAIRIES
ESQUIVEL--jalousie/sentimental--e. kovacs rec. collection--VARESE
RAYMOND SCOTT--new years eve in a haunted house--78 rpm--COLUMBIA
ANN-MARGARET--let me entertain you--let me entertain you--RCA
SPIN 17--side 1--71 nips--SPIN 17
ARTHUR LYMAN--yellow bird--percussion spectacular--LIFE

JUNE 29, 1998

THE RICHIE FAMILY--quiet village--african queens--MARLIN
ANDRE POPP--la paloma--delerium in hi-fi--BASTA
NURSE W/ WOUND--russolo, a little fella--2nd pirate sessions--U.D.
HENRI RENE--oh, lady be good--riot in rhythm--RCA
FERRANTE & TEICHER--tico-tico--soundproof--WESTMINSTER

JULY 6, 1998

ENNIO MORRICONE--my name is nobody--v.a. spag westerns 2--DRG
LOSERS--snake eyes--v.a. strummin mental 2--CRYPT
MICHAEL ROTHER--neutronics 98--v.a. a homage to neu!--CLEOPATRA
NURSE W/ WOUND--ernest needs a kidney--2nd pirate--UNITED DAIRIES
JULEE CRUISE--falling--floating into the night--WB
J. GILMER & FIREBALLS--sugar shack--v.a. hard to find 45s 2--ERIC
YMA SUMAC--remember--miracles--LONDON
BRIGITTE BARDOT--harley davidson--best of bb--PHILIPS

JULY 13, 1998

RIZ ORTOLANI--cani e gatti--v.a. mo plen 2000--IRMA
PARAKEET/TOADS--rainy season--am. tropical rain forest--FOLKWAYS
GOBLIN--snip snap--v.a. mo plen 2000--IRMA
ENNIO MORRICONE--magic & ecstasy--exorcist 2 sndk--WB
VIDEO-AVENTURES--une vie moderne--pour garcons et filles--SPALAX

these are great times to be a misanthropist.

Misanthropy 961 is broadcast on Sunday nights from mid-2am on CJAM 91.5
fm Windsor, Ontario  Canada. CJAM can be heard throughout the Windsor/
Detroit Michigan area.  Misanthropy 961 features from easy listening to
moments of mayhem. Surrealism in spectra-sonic sound.
http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/live.htm

We would like to thank all who have sent us promos. It is greatly
appreciated.

Misanthropy 961 is also broadcasted monthly on Radio Marabu. Radio
Marabu is based in Belm Germany and broadcast at various times on 13
different stations throughout Europe. It is also on shortwave throughout
Europe. Write to Radio Marabu for more info and tell them Misanthropy
sent you. Radio Marabu p.o.box 1166,  49187, Belm  Germany .  e-mail:
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:42:34 -0700
From: jasmine j jopling <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) jumbo shrimp

hey kids,

can someone describe the band "jumbo shrimp" for me?  what bands / genres /
styles / would you say they sound like, etc?  many, many thanks!

jasmine

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:19:08 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Us vs. Them -- Setzer and sick punk  rockers....

In a message dated 98-07-12 18:29:02 EDT, Br. Cleve wrote:

<< But Swing is translating into
 mucho dinero right now for record labels, dance schools, night clubs, radio
 stations and bands  . . .>>

as linda ellerby says . . . "so it goes".

robert


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:28:05 -0400
From: Jordana Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) two questions

I have two questions that some of the collector-types could probably
answer.  Please reply off-list.

1) What is a good mailorder source for innie and outie plastic
sleeves?
2) What are some tips for packaging records to be mailed?  Someone
here once mentioned that if you ship the record inside the sleeve, it
could split the sleeve... anything else I should know?

Thanks,

Jordana
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:28:28 -0400
From: Michael Hibarger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) elecxotica?

The mention of Tipsy and Dmitri from Paris brings to mind the
unique mating of trip hop/electronica with exotica...I've found
several other artists working in this space...

One of which is Barry Adamson, the former bass player for Nick
Cave and the Bad Seeds has consistently recast exotica into his
dark world...he's got a new album that just came out called,
"As Above, So below", this one features a little more singing than
some of his past efforts...its real good if you like dark, eerie,
creepy stuff.  He twists a good phrase too...such as the Andy
Williams classic, "Can't get used to losing you, I don't know what
I'm gonna do."  is pretzelled into "Can't Get Loose to using you
but that's what I'm about to do."    He also has a record called
"Moss Side Story" and one called "Oedipus Schmoedipus",  since
I'm relatively new to this list, I don't know if he's been discussed
here before...but at least I'm adding some info on his latest...

Another band I like in this space is Stock, Hausen and Walkman.
These guys are great!  Their CD's are expensive for us Yanks...but
they're well worth seeking out...especially the one that comes in
the faux leopard fur bag, and the one with the hamster on it...
called: _Organ Transportation Vol. 1_, when can we hear vol. 2???

One of my favorite tracks is called "Veneering" and it features
one of those cartoon skee-daddle samples from "Snooper and Blabber"
and other Hanna Barbara classics...(Yogi, Quickdraw)  These are
all pareils on top of an exotica frosted trip hop cake...yum!

Mike.




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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randall Rothenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Journalism

    But at least they not be blamin' the likes o' me!
                            r2



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:17 -0400
From: "telstar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) elecxotica?

Michael wrote:

> The mention of Tipsy and Dmitri from Paris brings to mind the
> unique mating of trip hop/electronica with exotica...I've found
> several other artists working in this space...One of which is Barry
Adamson (snip)...Another band I like in this space is Stock, Hausen and
Walkman.

Absolutely! I have noticed that a great deal of exotica/lounge/now sound
has been finding it's way into trip hop & associated genres of late. Other
recent recordings that might be of interest to list members would include
Amon Tobin's "Permutations" on the Ninja Tune label. Tobin seems to work in
the same general space as Tipsy, but with a more dark jazz feel.

Another fine release is the recent budget Ninja Tune compilation
"Funkkungfusion" which features the aformentioned Amon Tobin, in addition
to a couple of Stock, Hausen & Walkmen-like tracks by "Fink" & "Mr.
Scruff".

Although many recent posts are expecting the decline of lounge in the face
of the swing onslaught, I am far more hopeful as...er..."our" music  is
transformed by a new generation of musicians. Lounge doesn't die, it just
mutates.

Allan (who doesn't work for Ninja Tune)


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:53 -0400
From: Michael Hibarger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) swing vs. lounge and polka

As someone who is a fan of both lounge and swing...
I think that both will co-exist happily...  Sure, there will
be less trendoids jumping on the chaise lounge now...they'll
be swingers instead.  Fine, that just means the price of Martin
Denny records will drop a few bucks (which I doubt), as for
the reissuing...they will still keep coming because I don't see
the labels that are reissuing them converting over to swing.

As for the sundry items affiliated with lounge...the tiki stuff,
the martini glasses, the retro clothing...that stuff won't get
any less popular...the swing kids (ahem, if you will) have adopted
all different styles...its a mishmash of 60's lounge lizard, 40's
zoot suiter, 50's rockabilly, and 90's reissues of that stuff
blended with high tech hot rod graphics, tattoos and piercings...
its everything recycled for the end of the century!

As for the labels...
Crippled Dick Hot Wax, Lucertola and a lot of the Euro labels
won't have access to American swing.  I'm sure there were
French and Italian swing bands...but I don't know how reissuable
they are or what "twist" they'd put on "Sing Sing Sing", "In the
Mood".

And as for some of the labels in the US such as Ryko, Bar None
and others who  are reissuing some of this stuff...I think they'll
continue if there's an audience for it...will the audience convert
over to swing?  Some will...some will participate in both...

It's fun to dance to swing, but its fun to hang out to lounge...
As for the club scene...well, maybe its time for lounge to migrate
back to actual lounges rather than night clubs...

I can see some of the majors signing up swing bands and pushing
a swing initiative...this will divert some of their interest in lame-o
indie pop bands and lame "punk" bands (Blink 182 anyone?).

The next retro frontier perhaps is the polka scene...all we need is
somebody to introduce slam polka and get it in a hit movie...
Polka is easier to learn than swing, too!  So, its very conducive
to becoming a fad.  Also, there are a million polka bands in
Wisconsin waiting for their renaissance!!!

Mike.



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:05:59 -0400
From: Mark Benton Reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Any sightings of Jerry Reed

For what it's worth, I believe his real name is Jerry Reed Hubbard.

Mark Reed (certainly not related to him)
Phenix City, AL



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:08:23 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) elecxotica?

>>>The mention of Tipsy and Dmitri from Paris brings to mind the unique mating
of trip hop/electronica with exotica.<<<

Tipsy is but one of several groups that will appear on an upcoming compilation
entitled "Space Shuttle Lounge." It's due for release on Aug. 4 from Whirling
Records.

Sounds interesting.



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:06:52 -0700
From: Dave Davidson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Any sightings of Jerry Reed

At 10:05 PM 7/13/98 -0400, Mark wrote:

>For what it's worth, I believe his real name is Jerry Reed Hubbard.

You are correct.  Born March 20, 1937 in Atlanta, GA.

His mother, of course, was old Mother Hubbard.

Sorry,

Dave





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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:20:23 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Sabu und Tony

I have always allowed my interests in music to stray...so I often mix
my swing with exotica.  I don't get too concerned...if the music is
fun, why not?

Here is an album I found today which crosses several lines.

Its called "The Beat of My Heart" with Tony Bennett doing the vocals with
different ensembles that he and Ralph Sharon put together.

An excerpt from Ralph Sharon's extensive album notes:

"A drum is many things to many people....to Tony Bennett a drum is the
heartbeat of modern man, the reflection of our way of life as it is being
lived today."

Mr. Bennett and Mr. Sharon brought in Sabu, Candido, Billy Exiner, Art
Blakey, Jo Jones and Chico Hamilton to play the drums.  It's still a Tony
Bennett vehicle, but often a sort of duet with the drums.

The cover has Mr. Bennett there behind a drum, then four men to his right with
their drums.  Unfortunately, I don't know who is who.

It defies classification.  Jazzy, it is.  But the vocal/drums dialogue is
much more.

I know that there are some experts on Sabu... what has he done with a more
starring role?  Candido appears to be worth investigating as well.

Byron



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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:34:36 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) elecxotica?

Charles Moseley@MCKINSEY-EXTERNAL
07/14/98 05:34 AM


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Pulp's newish single 'This is Hardcore' (The first from their new album) is
based on a Peter Thomas sample, so I'm told - although I didn't recognise
it.





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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:07:10 +0100
From: dan hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) elecxotica?

>One of which is Barry Adamson,
<snip>
>"Oedipus Schmoedipus"

i find oedipus is a great but frustrating album - there are some fantastic
pieces on there (some challenging almost experimental stuff alongside some
great pop moments), but the sheer range of material on the album means
there's a couple of nightmares on it too (e.g. the absolutely awful miles
davis 'tribute' called "miles") ... purer exotic content resides in a
thunderous brass riff on (i think it's called) "the big bamboozle" (which i
recall was used in a (car?) tv ad in the uk relatively recently) and in
some vaguely loungey moments - john barry is also clearly a big influence
...

>Another fine release is the recent budget Ninja Tune compilation
>"Funkkungfusion" which features the aformentioned Amon Tobin, in addition
>to a couple of Stock, Hausen & Walkmen-like tracks by "Fink" & "Mr.
>Scruff".

this is a great compilation (summed up by ninja themselves as "Jackie Chan
playing Herbie Hancock wearing George Clinton's boots-y") covering most
bases in contemporary dance music ... but there's definitely a couple of
cuts which could interest the list, as well as the tobin and scruff tunes
... e.g. funki porcini's "surge", and last track on cd one (name escapes me
- - could it be tobin again?), but quotes heavily from (i.e. samples) bernard
herrmann's "taxi driver" soundtrack (i believe) .... but best of all are
neotropic's "vacetious blooms", which sounds like a more engaged gentle
people, and j swinscoe's fine 'goatee part 1' which is a simply stunning
melange of lazy rolling jazzy drumming, yearning sax lines, the odd
(exoticish) vocal sample and beautifully worked strings ...  (i've done a
slightly fuller review on motion at
http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/reviews/)

cheers,
dan.
(who also doesn't work for ninja)

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