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exotica-digest         Thursday, July 9 1998         Volume 02 : Number 148



In This Digest:

(exotica) Who's kidding Ho
(exotica) Re: Collecting albums and the associated pleasures...
RE: (exotica) and the associated pleasures...
(exotica) Associated pleasures
(exotica) Re: Collecting albums and the associated pleasures...
(exotica) correct track list for The Tornados: "The EP collection"
Re: (exotica) Re: Collecting albums and the associated pleasures
RE: (exotica) and the associated pleasures... -Reply
Re: (exotica) and the associated pleasures... http://kitty62.eo.net/frameset.html
(exotica) Who's Kidding?
(exotica) I'm leaving!
Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?
(exotica) You Kids Have It Easy: The Easy Post
Re: (exotica) Who's kidding Ho
(exotica) It only takes one person....
(exotica) Pesonal relief
Re: (exotica) I'm leaving!
(exotica) Re: I'm Leaving
Re: (exotica) and the associated pleasures...
Re: (exotica) Who's Kidding?
Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?
Re: (exotica) Pesonal relief
(exotica) First the world...
Re: (exotica) I'm leaving!
Re: (exotica) I'm leaving!
(exotica) Vintage in L.A.
Re: (exotica) You Kids Have It Easy: The Easy Post
Re: (exotica) Who's Kidding?
Re: (exotica) You Kids Have It Easy: The Easy Post
(exotica) chicas!

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:04:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Who's kidding Ho

At 08:40 AM 7/8/98 EDT, Trebor wrote:
>
>In a message dated 98-07-07 17:22:01 EDT, bruno wrote:
>
><< I love the idea that Joe Shmoe had these Mancini's and Denny's and that
> record with the babe on the cover that he hid from his wife and the Don Ho
> record they bought on vacation in Hawaii >>
>
>so let me get is straight -- joe schmoe bought a record by don ho?  i couldn't
>resist.
>
>robert


And then there's this:
* * * * *
[FWD:]

Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:55:20 PDT
From: "helen anderson" <[e-mail]>

To whom this may concern:

We check out Don Ho at Alta Vista search engine. We found out that there
is an imposter named himself as Don Ho and he also has CDs out. We  did
some homework and we found out that this imposter currently resides in
Santa Ana, CA.  The website which is promoting this imposter is
vietscape.com which locates in San Jose, CA.

This is very messed up and misleading. It hurts our original Don Ho not
only the name but also the business as well. Our Don Ho had worked so
hard, most of his life to get to the status where he is today and this
ruthless imposter just take all the credits.

Can you do something about this?

We love Don Ho. He's only original artist from Hawaii that the whole
world love. Not some refugee who claims himself as Don Ho and robs our
Don Ho's lifetime achievement.

If you ever do business with our original artist Don Ho then please help
him out this time. We believe the name Don Ho should be a trademark by
now.

Thank You.
True Fan

Helen Anderson



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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:02:30 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Collecting albums and the associated pleasures...

Okay, since we're mentioning the attraction of simply *looking* at the =
LP's, let's start an interesting thread.

What are some of the "added attractions" that you've discovered either =
tucked inside your record jackets or written on them.....whatever.

I found a hand-written lyric sheet tucked inside a Led Zep album.  It was =
obviously a high school girl (that "bubbly" cursive style) and I can see =
this gal now sitting next to the record player repeated putting the tone =
arm up and down as she jots down those "heavy" lyrics.

Anybody else?

- - Nate


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:53:09 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) and the associated pleasures...

> What are some of the "added attractions" that you've discovered either
> tucked inside your record jackets or written on them.....whatever.
>
I found a poem, I forget in which record, written by a man, in German to his
son.  I still have it, maybe i can put it here and someone can translate it
better than I can.

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:20:47 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Associated pleasures

One thing I recall is an Audio Fidelity flyer telling me how wonderful High
Fidelity was, complete with diagrams, turntables and a partial listing of
their records.  I found this on the floor of the warehous...garag...I mean,
shop I was in.

The record I bought that day was Electric Prunes' LP, "I Had Too Much To
Dream Last Night"!  I'll put the flyer in my Harry Breuer album.




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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:09:01 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Hess Jeffery)
Subject: (exotica) Re: Collecting albums and the associated pleasures...

On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:02:30 -0400 "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
writes:

>I found a hand-written lyric sheet tucked inside a Led Zep album.  It
>was obviously a high school girl (that "bubbly" cursive style) and I can

>see this gal now sitting next to the record player repeated putting the
>tone arm up and down as she jots down those "heavy" lyrics.
>
>Anybody else?


I found a pressed flower in Love's Four Sail, left by a love creature
from a by-gone era.

I also found the same person's address in two different albums that I
purchaced two hundred miles apart.

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:18:28 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) correct track list for The Tornados: "The EP collection"

this is the correct track list for

The Tornados: "The EP collection"
CD, See For Miles 445, UK, 1996 + USA, 1997

1) Telstar
2) Popeye Twist
3) Love And Fury
4) Jungle Fever
5) Ridin' The Wind
6) Dreamin' On A Cloud
7) Red Roses And A Sky Of Blue
8) Rip It Up
9) All The Stars In The Sky
10) Hot Pot
11) Earthy
12) Chasing Moonbeams
13) Theme From 'A Summer Place'
14) Swinging Beefeater
15) The Breeze And I
16) Ready Teddy
17) My Babe
18) Joy Stick
19) Flycatcher
20) Costa Monger
21) Blue Moon Of Kentucky
22) Long Tail Sally
23) Globe Trotter
24) Locomotion With Me
25) Robot
26) Life On Venus
27) Chattanooga Choo Choo
28) Night Rider
29) Alan's Tune

(the track list on the cd is completely screwed up)




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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:46:53 +0000
From: "Tim @ World Wide Wax" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Collecting albums and the associated pleasures

My favorite "extra" in a record so far was included with a mint copy
of Big Bill Broonzy's Big Bill's Blues.  The owner (in addition to
keeping the lp mint) had inserted a newspaper article from the August
20, 1958 Chicago Daily News about Broonzy's funeral with great
pictures of Broonzy, Win Stracke and Mahalia Jackson.

I have created a few cool (if I do say so) album cover screen
savers.  They are 3D spinning cubes with different covers on each
face.  I've created jazz, beatles, and space cover versions.  They
can be found here:

http://www.worldwidewax.com/fun/

Tim Barron
World Wide Wax - Your source for classic vinyl
Over 5,000 lps for sale & 600 scanned covers at:
http://www.worldwidewax.com



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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:22:34 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) and the associated pleasures... -Reply

Oh yeah!  Here's another one:

I got the Longines Symphony box set of Herb Alpert (mint condition - at a =
thrift - so there!!!), and tucked inside was one of those tall, thin =
sixties greeting cards with a cartoon illo and fuzzy background - a =
birthday card from some guys sweetheart with a letter inside full of =
gushes about the moonlight, kisses, etc, etc.

I guess the guy didn't really dig his gift 'cause it looks like he never =
played the records........well, Herb is kinda lame anyway.......

- - Nate


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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:43:24 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) and the associated pleasures... http://kitty62.eo.net/frameset.html

I picked up a "101 French Verbs" or some such record that had a
graduation photo of a girl inside the sleeve. The note on the back was
to a new love. It said stuff like "I'm glad we finally got to know each
other," etc... It was full of the promise of a new romance. Also
contained in the sleeve was a note from HIM to HER saying. "Sorry things
did not work out...Hope you find what you are looking for... I will
always love you," and on like that. The birth and death of love!
It appears as if he returned the photo's (there was one other) and the
record after the breakup with his note. I picture him driving up in his
beat-up Ford (it was '62 or '63) at night, scribbling the note and
leaving it unceremoniously on the porch of her (parents') house.

It will be featured in an excellent web site (I believe M.Ace posted
it with a note about accordion awareness month recently) The photos and
notes will be featured in Kitty's "Found" section, wherein she features
found notes and photos from total strangers. Fascinating!

Go here. It's neato:
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:15:47 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Who's Kidding?

In a message dated 98-07-07 23:11:34 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< > <<I figure most of the stuff you see at the thrifts are from your average
 >  Joe Shmoe homeowner who had pretty pedestrian tastes and didn't know how
to
 >  take care of vinyl.>>
 >
 >  Bullshit.
 >
 In fact, that was Michelle's comment, not mine  ; >
 I don't agree with her either--kinda snobbish attitude, n'est pas?
 Chuck >>

I think my comment was misunderstood.  What I meant was that mostly I find
stuff like the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, the Foreigner album, etc.
MAINSTREAM TASTES mostly in the records bin.  I do not on average or have I
EVER run across an Esquivel album or a Dick Hyman album. That is what I meant
by pedestrian tastes.  You can all agree with me that the vast majority of the
shit in the bins IS in fact Olivia Newton John, John Denver, etc.  Right?  You
do not on average find some recollector's stuff in the bins.  That would be
more of a rare find.  Of course I am only going on my 20 some-odd experiences
in Good Will Stores, Salvation Army etc.  I do not know how anyone can
interpret these remarks as "snobbish" but, if that is what you got out of it,
it wasn't intended.

- - Michele


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:15:55 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) I'm leaving!

Okay, that's it!  I'm tired of arguing with everyone and now it looks like the
worst possible thing has happened - you are going to go on and on about your
thrift store finds.  I'm not looking at any of my exotica mail for a few days,
so just go ahead, run me over (verbally) after all the new posts and comments
I've made.  I won't be here to read them, ha! ha!  And maybe when I come back
you will be back to a more pallatable subject!

- - Michele
(the rant and raver)


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:15:54 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?

In a message dated 98-07-08 09:05:30 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< Where else do you think you'll find good records? All second hand and
collectible
 record stores I know do buy their stock at thrift stores and antique dealers
- -
 arguably on a more professional scale, and usually ahead of me, as they
cooperate
 with antique dealers and get bundle offers as soon as their partners pick up
a
 rack full of records.  Nonetheless, they are likely to buy only stuff with a
known
 collectors value, and may leave more obscure stuff behind. Buying records on
flea
 markets and in thrift stores certainly is neither easy nor that cheap - while
each
 individual record may be only DM 1, I usually buy five to ten duds to one
 discovery, and barely ever manage to pick up well-known collectibles.
Nonetheless
 it has been worth while. >>

In other words, you are competing with dealers.  Maybe it works for those of
you who can keep a schedule of when new shipments of albums arrive, or make
buddies with whoever works there to hold stock back, etc.  Just try buying a
Heywood Wakefield table at the Rosebowl Swap meet when you are competing with
dealers - it just doesn't happen!  Also, here in L.A. the dealers are buying
the exotica and bach pad stuff to resell to me be it at the swap meet or at
the second-hand record store - so we ARE competing for the same stock.

But thanks for the insight.

- - Michele


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:15:45 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) You Kids Have It Easy: The Easy Post

In a message dated 98-07-07 19:12:30 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< This whole thread reminds me of a conversation I had a while back with a
 friend, which boiled down to "these kids today have it easy" because in
 our day [granted, I'm 23, so I'm talking 5 to 7 years ago :) ] you had
 to really do some hunting and research to find your niche in some
 musical subculture thingy - reading fanzines, looking in the
 under-the-table bins>>

Don't even start this thread.

There's a bunch of list people twho are over-30 ex-punk rockers who just won't
even believe that it was still "underground" 5 to 7 years ago.  I guess if we
look at Nirvanna being some sort of year that punk broke or something.... but
I won't even bother to debate this.  Basically what I wanted to say was that
kids today DO have it easy.  When I was a high school punk rocker in 1978, I
was one of only eight known people in the two-city area.  I took so much shit
at school that I've blocked out my high school years.  I'd have to go into
recovered memory therapy to recall with any detail all the food being thrown
at me, being called a prostitute or a freak and wearing a bike chain to school
because I was afraid I would get beat up.  All of this abuse because I had
black hair and white skin and was into punk music (which most of the students
had no idea what it was about, except that it WASN'T Led Zepplin or Foreigner)

Today, you can walk around with purple hair, earrings everywhere and look like
a total scum bag and no one will throw food at you.

<<And then today's young rebels seem more inclined to listen to "whatever's on
the radio"  or on sale at Tower Records. >>

What rebels?  What rebellion?  Its over and its been over since 1980.  I'd
venture to say that for at least 10 years, being punk, death rock, heavy
metal, ska or mod is just one of any number of "acceptible" subcultures for
young folks to go into.  And all that is acceptible today came at a price that
us old pioneers had to pay.

In my not so humble opinion,

- - Michele
Of the POTPACC
(Punk Old-Timers For A Public Apology From Clinton Committee)


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:24:14 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's kidding Ho

In a message dated 98-07-08 11:36:48 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< We love Don Ho. He's only original artist from Hawaii that the whole
 world love. Not some refugee who claims himself as Don Ho and robs our
 Don Ho's lifetime achievement.

 If you ever do business with our original artist Don Ho then please help
 him out this time. We believe the name Don Ho should be a trademark by
 now. >>

I would assume that the REAL Don Ho can sue since his name is like his :"band
name" and not just a private name.  Unless of course this other imposter is
really also named Don Ho.  Anyone else got ideas on this?

- - Michele
(there I go again, answering some posts)


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:15:27 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) It only takes one person....

In a message dated 98-07-07 16:18:03 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< All it takes is for one person in that town to want the same records you do
 and that one person, who might just be lurking on this list, can upset the
 whole balance for you. >>

Yeah exactly!  I have this same problem with a vintage clothing store I like
to go to here in L.A.  I dont tell anyone about it, but I'm sure everyone
already knows about it because it is a pretty high-profile place.  Anyway,
almost any tiime I'm in there, there's this same woman in there who obviously
is into exotica or at least likes to wear the same type of things I'm lookihng
for and she's always there when I get there.  I think she works there. But
whenever I get there and see her I have this sinking feeling that my search
for clothes is going to be totally futile.  It drives me crazy!  The only
thing I have going for me is that we aren't the same size (she is probably a
size 11 and I'm a size 4).  Even so, I imagine she hides all the good small
stuff for her smaller friends!

- - Michele


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:15:39 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Pesonal relief

In a message dated 98-07-07 17:31:30 EDT, you write:

<< Just like I hate it when someone meets me at a party and immediately after
 the handshake asks "What do YOU do?"
 But I think I've even done that too. >>

What's worse is going to a party and being afraid to ask them what they do.  I
have always felt that way since being in the punk scene since 1991.  Who knows
if the person you are talking to is a robber/drug addict or has some miserable
peon "day" job that they hate and you don't want to look all high and mighty
by asking them that question and then having to respond to them that you are a
word processor or a grad student or an engineer.... you know what I mean?

Now that I haven't been going to any punk parties for a few years, I'm so glad
to not have to deal with this problem anymore.  Now all the parties I go to I
pretty much know that they work for a living (and if they do drugs it is
pretty much not visible) and I don't feel uncomfortable if the subject of
employment comes up.

- - Michele


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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:59:07 -0700
From: Dave Davidson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) I'm leaving!

At 04:15 PM 7/8/98 EDT, Michele wrote:
>
>Okay, that's it!  I'm tired of arguing with everyone and now it looks like
the
>worst possible thing has happened - you are going to go on and on about your
>thrift store finds.  I'm not looking at any of my exotica mail for a few
days,
>so just go ahead, run me over (verbally) after all the new posts and comments
>I've made.  I won't be here to read them, ha! ha!  And maybe when I come back
>you will be back to a more pallatable subject!

This is really getting silly, and is exactly the "snobbish" or "elitist"
type of posting I was referring to.  I wish some could get beyond judging
the merits of other people's postings - if you don't like them, trash them!
 Don't read the thrift store finds!  Anyone should feel comfortable posting
anything they want, regardless of other people's opinion.  Chances are not
everyone will be interested, but maybe one person will.

As you're a self-proclaimed ex-punker who was belittled by others in high
school, one would think you'd have more room for acceptance of other
people's eccentricities....

Dave


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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:03:34 PDT
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: I'm Leaving

Well hurry back. I for one will miss the wit and charm of your keenly
considered generalizations and unswerving faith in the a prior consensus
of the elect.


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:12:40 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) and the associated pleasures...

> From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (exotica) and the associated pleasures...
>
> It will be featured in an excellent web site (I believe M.Ace posted
> it with a note about accordion awareness month recently) The photos and
> notes will be featured in Kitty's "Found" section, wherein she features
> found notes and photos from total strangers. Fascinating!
>
> Go here. It's neato:
> http://kitty62.eo.net/

Yep, that was me, and yep, "Kitty62ville" is a very neato site to visit. Don't
miss the Mondo Micro film festival.

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:53:08 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's Kidding?

> >
> In fact, that was Michelle's comment, not mine  ; >
> I don't agree with her either--kinda snobbish attitude, n'est pas?
> Chuck >>
>
>I think my comment was misunderstood.  What I meant was that mostly I find
>stuff like the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, the Foreigner album, etc.
>MAINSTREAM TASTES mostly in the records bin.  I do not on average or have I
>EVER run across an Esquivel album or a Dick Hyman album.

I think you were treated a bit harshly here, but I have found Dick's
"Fabulous" in LA while I was there and my friend found "Latin-esque" in
Compton while I was there. Both in good shape. Both for a dollar. And like I
said, once a week we thrifted - if we were lucky, hitting about 5-7 shops...

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:53:25 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?

At 16:15 08/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-07 16:40:40 EDT, you write:
>
><< And people who were buying these records at the time do
> occasionally die. Get in touch with your own mortality is my advice and go
> thrifting! >>
>
>Okay, I admit I've only looked through about 20 thrift stores on one=
 weekend -
>and this is when I happened to be 90 miles away from Los Angeles at a
>conference and thought I might get lucky.  No such luck.  All I saw was the
>usual Olivia Newton John etc. shit.  And mostly all of it was was cracked,
>ruined vinyl, record jackets without records, etc.  I suppse to score like=
 you
>guys I gotta be out there all the time.  But what do you really think my
>chances are here in metropolitan Los Angeles???  I'm already competing with
>scenesters over clothing here... I can't imagine that the vinyl situation=
 will
>be any better.

I lived there 5.5 months. Maybe thrifted about once a week - if I was lucky
as I didn't have a car. Usually hit about 5 stores in one day. Usually find
at least one record that I thought was worth purchasing. Astrud Gilberto.
Les Baxter. Claudine. Denny. Lyman. Sergio Mendes. Lalo Schifrin. Hawaii 5-0
soundtrack. All $2 or less. The Schifrin I sold for =A320 - yes, the famed
"Best of Dirty Harry - Sudden Impact" one.=20

Outside Palm Springs I scored Murry Wilson's LP which brightened up
Ingemar's day recently. In Oregon, I got Lee Hazlewood's "Poet, Fool or Bum"
for $4 at a thrift store - also got a cool tiki there for $2.=20

Basically, it can be done. I didn't do nearly as much thrifting as I would
have liked, and I walked out empty handed far more than with a score, but
finding that Hawaii Five 0 soundtrack, having no idea just how amazing it
was, was such a score. And how long had I looked for that Lee Hazlewood LP?
Sure, "Tamboo" and "Ritual of the Savage" were rather scuffed, but now I
have more than that bootleg CD, and I didn't have to spend a fortune for the
cool covers. And I've made cash with some of the others. And traded and made
others happy. So I find it rewarding. Sometimes I can't be bothered with the
records, but I find I have a sixth sense with searching. I can usually tell
if it'll be good or crap. I dunno. Different strokes for different folks as
they say.=20

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:18:51 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Pesonal relief

In a message dated 98-07-08 16:28:52 EDT, you write:

<< ust like I hate it when someone meets me at a party and immediately after
  the handshake asks "What do YOU do?"
  But I think I've even done that too.  >>

i have found that the people who ask this usually want you to ask it back so
they can say what they do.  i never ask it back -- and if they try to explain
anyway i kindly excuse myself.  touche'

robert


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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:36:04 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) First the world...

I don't think I've seen it mentioned here so just in case...
There's a new film out on tape.
"First the World, then the Fireworks"
I can't recommend it as a film experience.  It's based on a Jim Thompson
short story and in many ways, it's a textbook case of why updated film noir
seldom works.
Don't ask me to explain that.
Anyway, it's set in the fifties and has a pretty damn cool soundtrack by
PETE RUGOLO.
The kind of jazzy, insistent, bongo and organ and horns thing you'd
associate with other films made in the period the film is set.

If you don't want to sit through the whole film, just watch the opening
credits and the opening scene.  The credits are very Saul Bass influenced
and with the music, it kind of feels like "Man with the golden arm" or
something.

It was a cool idea to employ Pete Rugolo - and Pete Jolly on organ along
with a few other guys from the period - but too bad the film kind of sucks.
Unless you're a Gina Gershon fan.  Or Sheryl Lee.

There is one great scene with a private eye but no scenes set in a lounge
exactly, unless you include the scene in the blues bar with the fake Little
Walter style band.

Nat



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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:30:44 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) I'm leaving!

In a message dated 98-07-08 16:49:53 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< This is really getting silly, and is exactly the "snobbish" or "elitist"
 type of posting I was referring to.  I wish some could get beyond judging
 the merits of other people's postings - if you don't like them, trash them!
  Don't read the thrift store finds!  Anyone should feel comfortable posting
 anything they want, regardless of other people's opinion.  Chances are not
 everyone will be interested, but maybe one person will.

 As you're a self-proclaimed ex-punker who was belittled by others in high
 school, one would think you'd have more room for acceptance of other
 people's eccentricities.... >>

Apparently some people on the list don't know when someone is joking around.
I was only making a joke about the recent flames coming my way due to some of
my "controversal" posts.  Of course people can post what they want.  My
opinion on thrift score posts, as it has been fettered out before, is in the
minority.  I was just having some fun here because as most everyone on this
list knows, I don't like the thrift scores post.  But at this point it is just
a running joke of mine.

- - Michele


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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:30:48 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) I'm leaving!

In a message dated 98-07-08 18:58:14 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< Well hurry back. I for one will miss the wit and charm of your keenly
 considered generalizations and unswerving faith in the a prior consensus
 of the elect.
  >>

Oh, my gosh.  I think eveeyone is taking me too seriously.  Didn't you all
know I was just having some fun?  In light of recent flames coming my way over
stuff I've posted recently, I just thought I'd get serious and get all mad.
As for the posts,   I am all for freedom of speech - I'm sure I post alot of
things that no one wants to talk about.   It is true that I don't like the
thrift score posts, but hey, I just use the delete key when it gets boring.

Thanks,

Michele
Still lurking in the shadows....


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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:31:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Vintage in L.A.

In a message dated 98-07-08 22:32:20 EDT, you write:

<< Then I came back only a few years later and I couldn't afford anything.  I
 remember this vintage "Springsteen-style" leather jacket that would have
 been $75 or so last time I'd been there and now it was around $500 and the
 guy apologized but said something about "Japanese tourists".
 My first encounter with something that became familiar, especially around
 records.
 What's that got to do with anything?  Just L.A. and vintage clothing I guess.
  >>
 It hasn't changed since you left.  If you go to these vintage places, they
will have certain types of clothes hung on the wall like trophies with huge
price tags on them.  Like certain cowboy style shirts, Hawaiian shirts, etc.
A Hawaiian shirt in a thrift store here - a nothing special type - goes for
about $20.

- - Michele


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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:54:12 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) You Kids Have It Easy: The Easy Post

At 04:15 PM 08/07/98 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Today, you can walk around with purple hair, earrings everywhere and look
like
>a total scum bag and no one will throw food at you.

>What rebels?  What rebellion?

See, you're saying the kids have it easy because they can get away with
being "different" without having to pay a price for it.
I guess that's one point of view.
But I'd say - if that's true - they have it harder.  It's harder to be
different when every underground idea or trend becomes a Nike ad next week.
And no matter how much you "genuinely" like the music - whatever that means
- - when you're younger, you are always buying an identity when you buy your
music.  (And maybe that's true no matter how old you get.)
So I feel sorry for the kids today.  What if they need to rebel?
I'm sorry that my generation and the one behind me, grew up, took over the
ad agencies and found a way to make virtually anything cool.
Even the crappy records our parents tortured us with.

Nat



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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 05:17:00 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's Kidding?

At 05:53 PM 08/07/98 -0600, Jill Mingo wrote:

> I have found Dick's"Fabulous" in LA while I was there

Maybe we should trade copies.  I think I got your copy somehow.  My copy of
that record, which I got in Hamilton (at a thrift store which is a place of
pilgrimmage for a listmember here) is the Spanish language version of the
record.
"FABULOSO"
Dick Hyman con el Organo Lowrey.

Actually the front cover is in English but everywhere else it's Spanish.
In Spanish, "Washington Square" is still the same but for instance,
"S'posin" is "Suponiendo".

The other interesting thing is that even though it's still a gatefold
record, the record itself slides into the left side, not the right.
(I don't know how interesting that is but it's different.)

Wouldn't it make more "sense" (yeah I know...) to have found that copy of
the record in Los Angeles and for me to find the normal copy in whitebread
Hamilton?

Hope I didn't start some kind of funny foreign translation thread here.
But in case I did, I'll jump in with the first one.
At one point, the Spanish title of the film Psycho, when translated back
into English was "The man who thought he was his mother".
Or is that apocryphal?

Yours always fabuloso!

Nat




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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:29:01 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) You Kids Have It Easy: The Easy Post

>Today, you can walk around with purple hair, earrings everywhere and look
> like a total scum bag and no one will throw food at you.
>
> >What rebels?  What rebellion?
>
> See, you're saying the kids have it easy because they can get away with
> being "different" without having to pay a price for it.
> I guess that's one point of view.
> But I'd say - if that's true - they have it harder.  It's harder to be
> different when every underground idea or trend becomes a Nike ad next week.
> And no matter how much you "genuinely" like the music - whatever that means
> - when you're younger, you are always buying an identity when you buy your
> music.  (And maybe that's true no matter how old you get.)
> So I feel sorry for the kids today.  What if they need to rebel?
> I'm sorry that my generation and the one behind me, grew up, took over the
> ad agencies and found a way to make virtually anything cool.
> Even the crappy records our parents tortured us with.
>
> Nat

I think we're coming to an interesting point here. Obviously it was important
for many Exotica-listers and record-collectors that their "hobby" (and it's
much more really!) expressed being different. It was considered a value of its
own. I can say that about most of my own life as well, just beginning to
understand what happened and why I couldn't just grow up as a "normal"
adjusted member of "the" society. Some listers expressed discomfort about the
fact, that Exotica became so fab these days and supposedly "unqualified"
people started to listen to it and not only that: "they" started to use the -
"our" - style as their own self-expression!
I think it's interesting how much of the stuff that is discussed in the list
is obviously NOT about music, but about the style, the corporate identity it
gives, collecting as a way of self-determination etc. Therefore it's not at
all uninteresting to discuss these beyond-music things, even for those who
consider themselves as pure hunters and collectors.

Talking of the young generations problems with difference: Maybe it's not
their problem at all to want to be different anymore, if difference is
mainstream anyway. Instead it might be of much greater importance for them to
survive alone, wether they are different from whatever or not. They will have
to find words instead of symbols to understand whats going on. Their problem
is not to find ways to exclude themselves from society anymore, but to be
excluded from society. Just being ignored and left to rot. Many would be happy
if people would throw food at them. I agree with Nat: I don't think they have
it any better than the generations before.

MO


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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 03:09:41 PDT
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) chicas!

>http://www.bronte.demon.co.uk/chicks/
>New Irish Shaggs-tastic teen pop sensation?  Only one EP out so far,
>but from the one track I've heard, these girls ROCK!Robbie

can't say their music is the best in the world but their attitude's
cool. mangas and punk rock. and they're the only 16 yr olds i know who
quote foucault. also the ep is on yellow vinyl. they rule.
rob

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