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exotica-digest          Tuesday, July 7 1998          Volume 02 : Number 146



In This Digest:

(exotica) Re: Horst Jankowski R.I.P.
Re: (exotica) Autographed records
Re: (exotica) Autographed records
Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing /
Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it
(exotica) Beanie Babies as Lounge Lizards
Re: (exotica) Re: Not dead yet??...
(exotica) Who's kidding who?
(exotica) The inherently un-cool: like a limp handshake
Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)
(exotica) Who's met who?
Re: (exotica) Kontiki III - the museum expedition, Part 2
Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it
Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?
Re: (exotica) Who's met who?
Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it
(exotica) Who's kidding who? -Reply
Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?
(exotica) show and weep
Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?
(exotica) About thrift stores...
(exotica) vinyl mastering/Longet
Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool: like a limp handshake
Re: (exotica) chris montez
Re: (exotica) Who's met who?

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:46:07 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Horst Jankowski R.I.P.

>From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>

>Recordings
>
>                           The Genius of Jankowski, Mercury SR-60993
>                           More Genius of Jankowski, Mercury SR-61054
>                           Still More Genius of Jankowski, Mercury SR-61076
>                           So, What's New?, Mercury SR-61093
>                           Baby, But Grand!, Mercury SR-21106
>                           And We Got Love, Mercury SR-61160
>                         * Piano Affairs, SR-61195
>                         * Jankowski Plays Jankowski, Mercury SR-61219
>                           Enjoy Jankowski, Mercury/Wing SRW-16385
>                           With Love, Mercury SR-61125
>                         * A Walk in the Evergreens, Mercury SR-61232

    the ones marked with a * are featured on the brand new Motor CD/LP
    "Black forest explosion! (The fantastic piano sounds of Horst
    Jankowski; his very best recordings 1968-1973)"

    plus (not mentioned in the discography above, unless they are the
    same records released in the US under different titles...)

        "For nightpeople only" (MPS 14 274, 1970)
        "the many moods of Horst Jankowski" (Mercury 138 113, 1968)
        "Follow me" (Intercord 28 503, 1972)
        "Jankowskeynotes" (MPS 14 269, 1970)
        "Horst Jankowski International" (Intercord 28 555 U, 1973)
        "Alexander II" (single)

The music is tastefull, mostly uptempo, bright & smooth brass EZ, with jazz
and bossa nova influences. Only about 4 tracks feature his wordless Singers
prominently. Covers of "Pata pata", "Mais que nada", "Light my fire" with
German lyrics, and "Shaft", which starts out as a faitful repro, but then
halfway Horst gets a bit wild on his piano and turns the piece in someting
new. If you liked his track on the "Get easy, the German pops collection"
compilation cd, you'll like this cd/lp too. Recommended!

        Johan


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:45:02 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Autographed records

In a message dated 98-07-06 13:56:16 EDT, you write:

>
>  Oh, yeah?  My brother had a Jim Steranko comic book cover autographed by me
>  when I was five.
>
I'm in a jealous rage!!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:50:13 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Autographed records

In a message dated 98-07-06 14:32:06 EDT, you write:

> arn't you formally a "yankee dog"?  i thought you moved to fla from some "
> cooler, northern climate".
>
Yep, you're right--but I was indeed born in the South (South Bronx), consider
myself a Los Angeles person (38 years there).  Wanted to say "saracen pigs"
but felt it was too harsh..........no idea what the point of all this was--
probably was very late at night.
Best regards
Chuck


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 14:38:44 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing /

>At 01:24 PM 7/5/98 -0500, recliner wrote:
>
>>When asked "What kind of music do you like?" those who reply: "I like all
>>kinds of music" are inherently un-cool.
>>
>>Am I too mean?
>
>I don't know about "mean," but may I argue with you, Frank?  I fail to see
>why "lik[ing] all kinds of music" makes one "inherently un-cool."  Could
>you explain a bit more?

First of all let me say that the nature of the post was not in the same
vein of seriousness was apparently read into it. I meant only playful
generalizations and a mocking at the use of the term "cool".


>I'm sure that the spirit animating your post is that anyone who devotes
>enough time to being thorough in collecting will necessarily be more "cool"
>(knowledgeable/trendsetter/whatever) than those with broader tastes (the
>so-called "dupes," "dabblers," and "trend followers" whom you necessarily
>assume will be less "obsessive," or thorough, which is not an assumption I
>would make).
We of the modern era have consistently showed a facination with obsessive
people. Whether they be a genius or a serial murderer, we are intrigued
by this life.There is a strong feeling  whether we are repulsed or
attracted to it. When I said obsession=cool it was an acknowledgement of
this feeling.

> But this kind of insular thinking seems, to me, to be
>remarkably close to the kinds of attitudes that foster nationalism, racism,
>xenophobia (I am NOT accusing you of such things): "Here's my space, I own
>it, nobody else can get in."  This seems to fly in the face of what music
>is generally, and what "exotica" represents more specifically.  If what you
>say represents a truism for fans of particular genres (and I'm afraid it
>often does), it's little surprise to me that so many people with similar
>interests (i.e., music) have so little to talk about except what they just
>scored, or how their "collections" are coming along, etc.

I can't quite follow all the thoughts packed in here but, it seems to be
a narrow focus of genre as "my iterest uber alles" whereas I think of
genre as more open ended and passive: genre as a "focused interest" not
simply the exclusion of all else.

I love "exoctica" and I don't quite care for "swing" (I loathe the
Squirril Nut Zippers).
BUT, I wont rule out something just because it's popularly defined genre
is not exotica.


>I got interested in "exotica" because it seems inclusionary, not
>exclusionary, in every way.  I was hoping we'd gotten past name-calling and
>territorial games.

We have, but if you're gonna look for it whre it ain't...you're gonna
find it.

Whew,this response was too much like work!

Sorry to bog down the usually carefree happy tone of the list.

Frank




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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 14:38:48 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it

> Sure, there's a
>NM in there once in awhile, but what about the dozens you had to pass on?  I
>mean, what's your time/gas/wear/tear worth?
Yes, absolutely!
The search is one of the great parts of record acquisition. I have some
great *war* stories.
I can tell you where I got 90% of my records and with some of them the
thrill of the chase was definitely worth it.
I'ts not all cheery. Two weeks ago I stopped a a flea market and looked
through their 500+ LPs and there were so many water dammaged covers and
hockey puck vinyl that I almost started to cry.
Then last week I went to a Salvation Army and waded through the piles of
vinyl not in covers and totally raggedy covers to find about 15-20 very
nice LPs all in vg+ condition (indeed I was amazed at the quality, some
were in those extra special lined sleeves.)
The picks of this find were Sir Julian's 13 fingers of..., Enoch Light's
Action (Project3), Gene Bianco,The Note Worthies and Pete Terrace's dance
percussion all for 50 cents a piece

If I measured the cash value of the time I spend doing things I enjoy I
probably wouldn't be on this mailing list.

Always on the prowl,
Frank

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:36 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Beanie Babies as Lounge Lizards

In a message dated 98-07-06 14:27:11 EDT, you write:

<< << You should see Freckles the leopard "lounging" in his martini glass,
 or spinning Martin Denny tunes sitting on the center of the turntable!  Too
 precious for you to appreciate, I'm afraid!  >>

 what i can appreciate is that i am now nauseous.   and it ain't from the
 spinning record.
  >>

A friend at work gave me one for my birthday.  it is a racoon and he lounges
on my computer screen.  They have a unique ability to "lounge" because they
are filled with beans like a bean bag.

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:49 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Not dead yet??...

In a message dated 98-07-07 02:42:39 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< But again, it's the Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, and Wayne Newton variety
 of "lounge," which never really captivated me. I'm much more taken by the
 whole Esquivel, Three Suns, Dean Elliott, Arthur Lyman, etc. Space Age
 Pop scene, which I thought has given way to the Rat Pack and swing stuff
 whose appeal I felt lay in their broad familiarity and nostalgia aspects. >>

I'm sure you are right about that, but on the other hand, the notoriety surely
will convert new fans and perhaps those people will get bored and start
exploring the real space age music...

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:32 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Who's kidding who?

In a message dated 98-07-06 13:42:09 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< Excuse me, not to niggle, however---who you people kidding?
 it seems to me that you'd have to search Goodwills & Salv Armies day and
night
 to find a REALLY near-mint copy of Mendes / Claudine etc.  Virtually all
these
 shops get mostly trash-can quality vinyl, & they cram them in with the beat
up
 telephones and electronic junk or (maybe worse) stack 'em on the floor where
 they get kicked/knocked over periodically.  >>

Yeah, that almost NEVER happens!  I couldn't agree with you more!  I never see
anything in that good of quality when I've looked.  Anyone who's a records
connoseur (ie., a person who's been taking care of their albums, is not going
to let his stuff end up at the Good Will - I mean he's not going to just toss
it.)  I figure most of the stuff you see at the thrifts are from your average
Joe Shmoe homeowner who had pretty pedestrian tastes and didn't know how to
take care of vinyl.  Of course occassionally some old collector-type person
who's hoarded his albums all these years and had taken good care of them does
die and his stupid family "dumps" his collection at the Goodwill.   But for
the most part, the average person's records are at the thrifts, not the
collector's.

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:43 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The inherently un-cool: like a limp handshake

In a message dated 98-07-07 00:01:45 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< >I didn't think this was a discussion of people who say "I like lots of
 >different genres" and mean that they love Coltrane and Yo La Tengo and
 >Blind Willie Johnson and Al Green and the Palace Brothers and the Louvin
 >Brothers and Gary McFarland and Perez Prado and Henry Mancini.
 .
 .
 I read this and I thought, well, that's why I usually say I like lots of
 music.
 Hm, I may say almost everything.  I suppose I should be a bit more rigorous
 and say I like good music, no matter what the genre. >>

As must as I'm a subscriber to the idea that if someone that says they like
everything is just making a "cop out" or is a wishy-wash, like a limp
handshake.  You would think such a person has absolutely no taste because they
can't show allegiance to one or two genres.

Then I stop myself for a minute and remember the eclecticism of my own tastes.
I like a quite a few genres of music like 70's-style disco, pop-punk (yep, I'm
still listening to it altho not keeping up with the latest local bands), some
70's rock, etc....

But in response to a question like what kind of music... I'd NEVER say I like
everything - after all, that's just too wishy-washy.

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:41 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)

In a message dated 98-07-06 18:21:48 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< If what you
 say represents a truism for fans of particular genres (and I'm afraid it
 often does), it's little surprise to me that so many people with similar
 interests (i.e., music) have so little to talk about except what they just
 scored, or how their "collections" are coming along, etc.   >>

I'll probably get flamed for agreeing with you here... as everyone well knows,
I HATE those thrift store finds lists and love to talk about the "issues".
But lately we've been talking alot more about issues and a lot LESS about
people's scores.  So I'm happy with that.

In support of your opinion,

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:25 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Who's met who?

In a message dated 98-07-06 08:22:42 EDT, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Next day it started to rain. With our plastic coats we explored the city
and
 met Stefan Kery of Subliminal Sounds and Magnus Sandberg, both respected
 members of the Exotica list. It was the first time in my life I ever
 encountered someone I only had known via the electronic media before and it
 was not a disappointment. >>

Maybe no one will want to divulge but I thought it might make an interesting
thread - I've met both Brother Cleve and DJ Jimmy Boticelli, members of the
list, in person.  Has anyone else met anyone on the list that they didn't
already know previously? (For example Otto of Tiki News and I have known each
other before ever being on this list)

I think it is really neat to meet other list members in person.  I only wish I
travelled more so I could meet more of you!

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:03:40 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Kontiki III - the museum expedition, Part 2

In a message dated 98-07-06 16:34:56 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< I guess I thought that a bunch of people who discuss the relative merits of
 often long-forgotten, discarded and disregarded records wouldn't be
 referring to each other as "the honourable member from wherever".
 (And don't bother with the replies "Yes there are respected members but
 you're not one of them!"  Last time I heard that, I fell off my dinosaur
 laughing.) >>

What's the matter with being nice?

- - Michele


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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:14:35 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it

At 04:56 AM 07/07/98 -0600, Jill Mingo wrote:
> I can't go on enough about the joy of thrifting. When I hear people
Stateside who just don't>do it when there are all those untold bargains
waiting before them, part of me wants to cry, and part of me rejoices
knowing that I will pick these
>bargains up next time I'm over!!!! <

Granted I don't live Stateside myself and I also have fantasies about some
American city I'll someday end up in and I'll hit the thrift store motherlode.
For some reason Cleveland often comes to mind but that's partly because I
have a record obsessive friend there.
But I think it goes in waves and sometimes the waves don't come back to
shore for a long time.
All it takes is for one person in that town to want the same records you do
and that one person, who might just be lurking on this list, can upset the
whole balance for you.
The thrift store where I found Martin Denny's, Stereo Action's, lots of
Command stuff and even an Esquivel was a goldmine for about six months and
then the last two times I went, the well was dry.
The other thing is, you can't go to a thrift store with the express purpose
of finding a particular record.  I'm sure I'm not telling anybody anything
they don't know there.  Here in Toronto, Claudine Longet is not sitting
waiting in every thrift store but I have picked up two of her albums
"there" over the years.
Call me a mystic but I think that the day I went in there with the express
purpose of finding Billy Joel's "The Stranger" - or for that matter Sheena
Easton, Juice Newton, Nana Mouskouri, Roger Whittaker, Frank Mill's "Music
Box Dancer" - on that day they wouldn't be there either.
(And that would be the only day they weren't.  Add Lester Lanin to that list.)

If you expanded the territory to include used record stores and five bucks
instead of fifty cents, yeah then I could probably find you Claudine's and
a lot of other things you're talking about.

But I think the original post-er here should count herself lucky that when
she gets Stateside, her karma is good and she gets there on the right day
at the right moment and thus makes out like a bandit.
I don't think you can do that everyday and if anyone knows a place where
you can, well you won't tell me where it is anyway, will you?

Nat



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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:39:06 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?

A
><< Excuse me, not to niggle, however---who you people kidding?
> it seems to me that you'd have to search Goodwills & Salv Armies day and
>night
> to find a REALLY near-mint copy of Mendes / Claudine etc.

>Yeah, that almost NEVER happens!  I couldn't agree with you more!  I never see
>anything in that good of quality when I've looked.  Anyone who's a records
>connoseur (ie., a person who's been taking care of their albums, is not going
>to let his stuff end up at the Good Will - I mean he's not going to just toss
>it.)

You have to LOOK. That is the FUN. And people who take care of their music
do DIE. Yes, strange as it may seem, they often die and their things wind up
at Goodwill. A friend of mine found about 30 tikis in Hollywood at Out of
the Closet about a year ago. This is a thrift store devoted to HIV/AIDS.
This is unfortunately a disease that young people often die from. Not just
90 year old grannies. I know a lot of people that on principle take their
records to thrift stores because they score so much there.

You must remember, most people buying Baxter records were hardly hardcore
collectors. They were fans of current popular music, which exotica was once
upon a time. And people who were buying these records at the time do
occasionally die. Get in touch with your own mortality is my advice and go
thrifting!

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:39:17 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's met who?

><< Next day it started to rain. With our plastic coats we explored the city
>and
> met Stefan Kery of Subliminal Sounds and Magnus Sandberg, both respected
> members of the Exotica list. It was the first time in my life I ever
> encountered someone I only had known via the electronic media before and it
> was not a disappointment. >>
>
>Maybe no one will want to divulge but I thought it might make an interesting
>thread - I've met both Brother Cleve and DJ Jimmy Boticelli, members of the
>list, in person.  Has anyone else met anyone on the list that they didn't
>already know previously? (For example Otto of Tiki News and I have known each
>other before ever being on this list)

Actually, I travel quite a bit, have met the Michele who started this thread
and Moritz, who mentioned meeting Stefan Kery. I could go on quite a bit
about the other members I've met, but I fear it might be a bit boring or
seem a bit "bragging" since I travel a lot or for fear of forgetting a few
while listing since I've met so many (10 or more), but it gives me great
pleasure to make friends around the world - and even on my doorstep - my
sometimes DJing partner Robbie Baldock and I met over this list! Getting to
know other people and sharing fondness of vinyl (or CDs) is what this is all
about for me. So in the immortal words of the Free Design, "thank you all,
thank you all, all all..."

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:47:48 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it

>> I can't go on enough about the joy of thrifting.

>Granted I don't live Stateside myself and I also have fantasies about some
>American city I'll someday end up in and I'll hit the thrift store motherlode.
>For some reason Cleveland often comes to mind but that's partly because I
>have a record obsessive friend there.

Actually, the least hip cities usually provide more gems hanging around in
their record stores, but not necessarily in their thrifts because people in
that city were unhip at the time these were hip so there aren't as many hip
things floating around in dead people's houses if that makes any sense! But
you can still score!

>The other thing is, you can't go to a thrift store with the express purpose
>of finding a particular record.

Very true...

>If you expanded the territory to include used record stores and five bucks
>instead of fifty cents, yeah then I could probably find you Claudine's and
>a lot of other things you're talking about.

Definitely. And cities off the beaten path are usually where you get your
Claudines for $5.
>
>But I think the original post-er here should count herself lucky that when
>she gets Stateside, her karma is good and she gets there on the right day
>at the right moment and thus makes out like a bandit.

Must clarify. I don't make out like a bandit when I go over, but considering
how little time I spend over there, just finding one or two good thrift
finds - like Three Suns "Movin' and Groovin'" with stereo action cover for
$1 or "Tamboo" and "Ritual of the Savage" for 95 cents in LA - is what I
consider a good haul.

Frankly I think that about 95 percent of what people post as a score on this
list is total crap - I see this stuff all the time in thrift stores (no
names or titles mentioned - no flames) and wonder why they aren't a little
embarrassed to post it - but one man's score is another man's trash. And
usually within each person's score list is one fairly good one - maybe even
one total FIND! Which gives me hope that they CAN be found, but you gotta
look. And look. And look. Which I'm sure the people who score do frequently.
So those who are anti-thrifting and think it's a waste of time - Thank you!
I'll gladly come to you city and post my next score with pride!

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:42:20 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Who's kidding who? -Reply

<<I figure most of the stuff you see at the thrifts are from your average
Joe Shmoe homeowner who had pretty pedestrian tastes and didn't know how =
to
take care of vinyl.>>

Bullshit.


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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:49:22 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-06 13:42:09 EDT, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Excuse me, not to niggle, however---who you people kidding?
>  it seems to me that you'd have to search Goodwills & Salv Armies day and
> night
>  to find a REALLY near-mint copy of Mendes / Claudine etc.

Well, yeah... but that's the fun of it for me. Garage Sales and Thrift
Shops are a passion of mine. Yes, it can be fruitless at times, but I
have
found some EXCELLENT vinyl in minty-mint condition. Sergio Mendes is
EVERYWHERE here in San Jose, by the way.

I also avoid a lot of the thrift shops for the same reasons. If records
are stacked of look ragged, I won't bother.

> I figure most of the stuff you see at the thrifts are from your average
> Joe Shmoe homeowner who had pretty pedestrian tastes and didn't know how to
> take care of vinyl. ......  But for
> the most part, the average person's records are at the thrifts, not the
> collector's.

Well remember, the "Average" record collection in the 50's/60's would
contain a lot
of interesting stuff! Beyond that, there are thousands of reasons
perfectly
good stuff ends up at the thrift stores, and it all comes down to the
randomness
that we call luck.

Furthermore, collectors might have been tempted to overlook  or discard
some things that I prize. I am attracted to the really bizarre stuff,
religious records, hypnotism, instructional vinyl (especially belly
dancing) "straight talk" for teens, kids records, etc... Thrifts are the
place for this sort of thing (second only to Church-sponsored
fundraising sales.)The pickings get better once you've learned what to
look for and have some favorite places. I have found it's helpful to get
friendly with the staff at the shops - I have gotten to go in the back
and pick through records not on the shelves, or tips about when the
record shelves get refilled.

I understand that for some people there is nothing interesting about
picking
through dusty thrift stores - especially when there are so many
excellent sources for
"the good stuff." For me, this is one of those things where the journey
has become it's
own reward.


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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:56:05 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) show and weep

You know, even when you don't really have friends coming over all that much
anymore and even when the friends who do come over aren't likely to look at
your records, you still have that idea in your head - or at least I do -
when you pick up a cool record that somebody will like seeing it.
Thankfully this isn't my whole motivation but the funny thing is that being
on this list has somewhat revived that aspect of my thought-process.
So last night I was in my favourite used-record store and somehow they had
gotten to the middle of their summer half-price vinyl week without my knowing.
The pickings in the new arrivals section where I usually have to make some
hard decisions, were slim.
So I hit the bins - the backlog - which I usually ignore.
I found a couple of jazzy things and even a Doc Watson, misfiled with the
jazz.  But it wasn't enough for me.  Not during a half-price sale!
So partly influenced by the constant thread of cool soundtracks on this
list - and despite my own well-established anti-soundtrack leanings - I hit
the soundtrack bins.
I ended up passing on the seemingly rare Les Baxter soundtrack because I
knew I would only be buying it to show YOU.
(At half price, it was $3.50)
And I passed on the King of Hearts soundtrack even though it brought back
memories of the time when that was the big "date movie" in my life.

Cut to the end of the story... Having heard what I bought, I'm trying to
drum the message into my head.  NEVER AGAIN buy anything motivated by the
thought of showing those damn fellow exotica-listers!
Boy do I feel ripped off.  And disappointed in myself.

I should have looked more closely at Steve Rossi "The Last of the Secret
Agents" (which was sealed by the way).  I saw the words "secret agents",
the name of Nancy Sinatra and the pictures of her on both sides of the
cover and thought "wow they'll like this!"
(If you don't remember "Allen and Rossi", the ahem, comedy team, well maybe
someone will tell you about them.)
Anyway, yes there was a film with Allen and Rossi and Nancy S. and I assume
it was some kind of updated "Abbott and Costello meet James Bond" and maybe
that soundtrack would have been cool.  But this wasn't it.  It's just a
record of Steve Rossi, in his stentorian tones, singing a bunch of songs.
The "hit song" from the movie and "11 other favorites".
Also disappointing were the soundtracks to "Made for Each Other" (despite
the presence of Vince Bell on one cut),  "Advise and Consent" (despite the
cool cover, Otto Preminger and Jerry Fielding), "Grand Prix" (maybe one cut
could make it onto a tape) and even "The themes from Ben Casey" (and
Dr.Kildare etc.) is rather tepid for a sixties TV theme record.

Lucky that Mancini Generation record was hiding down there.
And hey "Percussive Jazz Vol 2" (you know with the hypodermic needle and
the "doctored for super-stereo") is much much better than volume one.
And Mel Torme's "A time for us" with "Games People Play".  There's
something about the way Mel does those tunes he never should have - like
Sunshine Superman - that is in a class by itself.

I'm never buying a record for you people again.

Nat



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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:19:15 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's kidding who?

At 04:03 PM 07/07/98 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:

> I figure most of the stuff you see at the thrifts are from your average
>Joe Shmoe homeowner who had pretty pedestrian tastes and didn't know how to
>take care of vinyl.  Of course occassionally some old collector-type person
>does die and his stupid family "dumps" his collection at the Goodwill.

Yeah I like it on the rare occasion that a collector's records show up.
But I have to say that it's the very fact that Joe Shmoe did own these
records that is a big part of the attraction for me.
The collector probably had "better" records and they were better kept but I
prefer Joe Shmoe's records.  (Not ALL his records of course.)
I love the idea that Joe Shmoe had these Mancini's and Denny's and that
record with the babe on the cover that he hid from his wife and the Don Ho
record they bought on vacation in Hawaii and that they were just shoved in
the record cabinet and hardly ever played and eventually they were shoved
onto the junk heap and now I've come along and reclaimed them, given them
new life.
I sort of thought that was a big part of the point here.
Three cheers for Joe Shmoe.

Nat




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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:27:45 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) About thrift stores...

I have just started doing the thrift/garage thing recently (my mother had an
antique store, so genes may be to blame!) and I am suprised at some of the
things I find.  I have no delusions of finding Stormy Weather by the Five
Sharps, however, what if I did?

Records fascinate me.  There was a label,  I believe that it was based in
the Appalachian mountain area that guaranteed "No Harps [harmonicas]" on the
label.  Talk about target marketing!   Not every label is a blatant
sociological statement, some are.  This is what I call fun.

I will not enter the argument of post finds/don't post finds, because having
been born a person of color, I found out that I already did something
someone didn't like, so I am used to not pleasing everyone.  I like them,
because Laura Taylor said I should subscribe and I did on the knowledge of
precisely TWO names: Yma Sumac and Les Baxter (whose real name is, of
course, Sel Retxab).  I now know more, thanks in part to those lists, the
other being flat out asking people.  We all have to start somewhere.

As for the posting of issues as opposed to Thrift Scores, I have nothing
against it, although certain aspects I simply cannot associate with (I don't
drink, very rarely go out, save restaurants and I dance AWFULLY).  So the
music will have to do for me.

Thrift stores are like people.  I find interesting things in some, others I
don't.   Some friends of mine have found many, MANY things (not just
records) there and their house looks great.  Good record collection, too!
I'm with Jill Mingo, I get excited about certain records, others leave me
cold.  I also like a good joke, as long as I don't have to shell out too
much for it (I would never pay 30 dollars for all of Shooby Taylor's
recordings!).

Nice talking to all of you and that WAS talking, not fussing.

Brian Phillips




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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:25:04 -0700
From: Eb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) vinyl mastering/Longet

>From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
>
>Another thing that turns collectors off is mastering from vinyl. Most vinyl
>transfers on current CDs are immediately identifiable as such, yet it
>doesn't have to be this way. I've been shown by an expert sound engineer (Hi
>Tom!) that remastering from vinyl does not have to sound bad, and, in most
>cases, can equal the sound of a tape source. However, this takes time,
>expertise, and money.

A few months ago, I acquired two You've Got Foetus on Your Breath CD
reissues (Deaf and Ache) which were mastered from vinyl and sound
absolutely *wonderful*.

In other news, the Claudine Longet site is undergoing a major reformatting.
Check http://users.deltanet.com/~gondola/longet/ (or
http://users.deltanet.com/~gondola/longet/index.html) . And if you link to
this site on your own webpage (Vik, Johan, Valerie/Peter, M. Ace, Dean,
etc.), please update your links to the new URL. Thanks.

Eb, writing probably the only tandem Claudine Longet/Jim Thirlwell post in
the history of mankind




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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:28:56 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool: like a limp handshake

At 04:03 PM 07/07/98 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>But in response to a question like what kind of music... I'd NEVER say I like
>everything - after all, that's just too wishy-washy.

It's a hard question to answer and an annoying one to be asked.  And so is
"what's your favourite movie?"
But the horrible truth is that I've caught myself asking the same
questions.  The questions I hate to get myself.
Just like I hate it when someone meets me at a party and immediately after
the handshake asks "What do YOU do?"
But I think I've even done that too.

I don't think I've ever answered the music question with "I like
everything" but I probably have said "Oh I don't know.  I like A LOT of
things".
And of course it depends who's asking.
And sometimes I just say "jazz" which is the equivalent for me of saying
"I'm fine, how are you?"

But yeah, as much as I understand how someone with eclectic tastes can try
to take the easy/lazy way out and say "everything", in my experience that
response comes much more often from those who like most anything in
approximately equal measures.

Nat



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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:44:03 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) chris montez

At 03:16 02/07/98 -0600, you wrote:

>what is this guy about musically?   somehow i cant score (well ...)
>his lp's in the bargin bins.

I saw this guy in concert ('stars of the 60's') in the mid 90's and he
was very good.  Although he must be in his 50's he has worn very
well.  Looks a sort of cross between Richie Valens and Herb Alpert.

Hugh.



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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: buMp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who's met who?

>
> I think it is really neat to meet other list members in person.  I only wish I
> travelled more so I could meet more of you!
>

    i have been thinking about this also...
i have been lurking for a while now and i really do not know the whole
history of this newsgroup, but has there ever been a "convention" of
sorts?
i am only dreaming when i say everyone should meet for an annual or
bi-annual "rendezvous" at some EXOTIC locale.

bump



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