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exotica-digest          Monday, July 6 1998          Volume 02 : Number 144



In This Digest:

RE: (exotica) Enter Lee Perry
(exotica) Kontiki III - the museum expedition, Part 2
(exotica) Rhinestone! (go with me on this one)
(exotica) Paradise Found
Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it
Re: (exotica) George Cates
RE: (exotica) Re: A&M
Re: (exotica) Kiddies, Klaus Schulze and Disneyland!
Re: (exotica) Re: "Enter the Dragon" grunting
Re: (exotica) Re: A&M
(exotica) for trade: Marty Manning: "The Twilight zone"
Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it
(exotica) Autographed records
Re: (exotica) Yesterland and Disneyland!
(exotica) More on the damn beanie babies
(exotica) A Good Beat and You Can Dance to It
(exotica) The All Seeing I
Re: (exotica) mike nichols and elaine may purchased!
Re:  Re: (exotica) Andy and Claudine
Re: (exotica) Kontiki III - the museum expedition, Part 2
(exotica) Re: http://swingchicks.com
(exotica) records for sale
Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)
(exotica) the berkeley item #8
Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)
(exotica) The inherently un-cool
Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:12:05 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Enter Lee Perry

> Any more martial arts songs out there?

Well, there is one co-written by Byong Yu and Kantner and Slick of the
Jefferson Starship.  Byong Yu was their Tae Kwon Do teacher.  "Ride the
Tiger"

Brian Phillips




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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:21:03 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kontiki III - the museum expedition, Part 2

The first impression of Sweden is really: Endless forests, elk-signs
everywhere and a Volvo-dense of over 70 %.

I steered my own Volvo (Latin for "I'm rolling") into Stockholm, the city=
 with
24.000 islands, not without leaving a painful amount of Swedish Kronen to=
 the=20
man at a gas station on our way. We were picked up by our friends who liv=
ed on
one of those islands and made the last 400 meters by boat. Around
midsummernight in Sweden it's not getting dark anymore. An orange strip o=
ver
the horizon stays all night long, only moves around. The sun rises and se=
ts
almost in the north. It was a super-romantic evening by the water.

Next day it started to rain. With our plastic coats we explored the city =
and
met Stefan Kery of Subliminal Sounds and Magnus Sandberg, both respected
members of the Exotica list. It was the first time in my life I ever
encountered someone I only had known via the electronic media before and =
it
was not a disappointment. We soon had a lot to talk about and they showed=
 us
the places we would have liked to discover ourselves. Like this Thai
restaurant with overboarding bamboo and palmtree furniture, which was so
crowded that we ended up eating in the Garlic House, where even the beer =
was
made with Garlic. A selfmade poster featuring a Tarder Vic's menu demonst=
rated
their exotic desires. In the basement we were introduced to a club with r=
ather
incredible strange music playing on demand and we were welcomed with "Gut=
en
Morgen Deutschland" by Gunther Gabriel. Of course I had to free some long
wanted records from the superb Subliminal store like the Sandy Warner alb=
um or
the soundtrack of "Hawaiian Eye" before leaving.=20

Midsummernight came and the Swedish men furnished proof of their drinking
abilities. In a country where a bottle of beer costs as much as a Trader =
Vic's
cocktail in other countries getting stinko is pure luxury. So it's sort o=
f a
status symbol when you drop dead into the bushes soon after midnight. It
seemed to be extra hip to be carried around by your girlfriend like a ste=
ap
back-pack for the rest of the evening leaning will-less on her shoulder. =
I saw
a couple of those couples until I faded out myself.

Due to the weather conditions going to museums was the best we could do i=
n
Stockholm and the best of the museums was definitely the Vasa-museum. The=
 Vasa
was a war-ship built in1625. It was so heavy that it sank immediately on =
her
Maiden-voyage in the harbour of Stockholm. In 1956 it was discovered and
salvaged 1961 in an almost intact state. They built a whole museum around=
 it
which cannot be recommended enough. The whole damn big thing of carved
dark-brown wood looks alot like the design of the alien-spaceship of H.R.=
Giger.

After a rainy week with constantly sinking temperatures we were almost re=
ady
to take the next plane to Teneriffa, when Stefan recommended the island o=
f
Gotland to us. Next day we drove the car onto a ferry and set sails out i=
nto
the East-sea.  It was said that Thor himself, the mighty Viking God, had =
lived
there and left his marks, giant stone formations that he had hammered int=
o the
super-hard stones that form the coast-line of Gotland and it's tiny
sister-island Far=F6. The latter had been Swedish Navy-ground for decades=
 and
has been opened to foreign visitors only 2 years ago. While a glimpse of =
the
sun was all we expected from our new destination, we would get to see muc=
h more...

(to be continued)

MO


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:42:24 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Rhinestone! (go with me on this one)

In a fit of testosterone, I was flipping through the channels and I happened
upon "Rhinestone" with Dolly Parton and Sylvester Stallone and their was a
scene with Ron Leibman and Parton in a bedroom, along the lines of Dudley
Moore's in "10".

What was playing in the background?  Martin Denny's "Quiet Village".

And all of you thought that the Exotica trend was waning! :^)

Brian Phillips




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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:20:05 -0400
From: "Michael Bennet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Paradise Found

Anyone know anything about this one? (description from Darla Records
catalog):

V/A PARADISE FOUND: RARE EXOTIC SOUNDS, V.1   Hibiscus (NEW ZEALAND)
HBCD1001   CD 12.00
The exotic sounds of Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman and Eden Abez
are
now as familiar as Waikiki. Travel a little further off the beaten path and
discover these EXTREMELY RARE and coveted exotic beauties and hidden pieces
of aural paradise. Some of these artists were mere studio concoctions, some
didn't play The Shell Bar or Don The Beachcomber's as often as The Martin
Denny Group, but they did play there, and the outer islands, LA, San
Francisco
& beyond. No track here can be found in print within the last 40 years,
almost. Paradise Found is a trip back to Honolulu circa 1958 when paradise
meant empty beaches, big convertibles, luaus & aloha. Aloha Malahini!,
Bangkok
Cock Fight, Quiet Village, Bird Of Paradise, Taboo, White Goddess, Malayan
Night Bird, Return To Paradise, s'Pacifica, Simalu, Kapu, Hawaiian China
Doll,
The Jungle Chase, Sondi, A Man and a Woman, Outrigger Canoe Ride. Ship
date:
7/21/98.



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 10:41:38 -0000
From: Michael D. Toth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it

recliner <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Then you could walk into your
>>local Goodwill or Salvation Army and pick up all the Sergio Mendes and Herb
>>Alpert you want in near mint condition for a buck each.  If you get lucky,
>>you'll get a Claudine, too.
>
>Please,please do! We should all boycott places like Footlights that
>charge absurd amount of money for the easiest to find albums.

Not living in New York, I've only dealt with Footlight through the
Web/mail order for hard-to-find and import CDs, but I'm under the
impression they do sell vintage vinyl and I have no idea how it's priced.
The original posting was about the Claudine/A&M *CDs* carried by
Footlight -- know that Japanese CDs actually *cost about that much* and
there's typically not an exhorbitant markup on import CDs above their
retail price in their country of origin (I've seen Japanese single-CD
imports priced from $25 for budget titles all the way up to $45). These
CDs are for the anti-vinyl CD enthusiast and/or the obsessive Claudine
fan who fears they'll wear out their vinyl from playing it so much and
likes the sound/convenience of a digital disc you can play in your car,
computer, etc. In cases like the Japanese Bob Thompson CDs, the vinyl is
also more difficult to find in premium condition and plays into the
equation. Me, if I had money to burn recklessly, I'd seriously consider
one of those *11-CD* Prado boxed sets, reportedly with his entire RCA
output plus a previously unreleased live album...but $300+...yow...

*I* wouldn't pay $5 for a Claudine CD, but thank goodness there are
places like Footlight in the US where somebody who really wants them can
get them. I've had nothing but good experience with Footlight (even
though their postage is a bit stiff).

I boycott your boycott.  :-)

Michael David Toth
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:07 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) George Cates

BasicHip wrote:
>Picked up the George Cates "Polynesian Percussion" LP which I was very pleased
>with.  Straight ahead and very good exotica, heavy on the percussion with more
>background vocalese.  Very nice.

Yeah, "Polynesian Percussion" has much to recommend it to exoticats: Fab
graphics, Alvino Rey on steel guitar, "Hawaiian War Chant" packaged as a
cha-cha, and a headshot of the maestro himself looking very much the
beatnik hipster. If only the music were as heated as the tiki torches
embellishing the cover. "Very nice" summarizes the arrangements very
nicely. But then, whaddya expect of a record subtitled, "Lawrence Welk
presents..."

MimiM




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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:06:09 -0400
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG  NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: A&M

> I believe that the reason many CD reissues are so bad is that they're done
> by
> some post-teenage rock engineer
>
You got that right.  I can't complain enough about the re-release of The
Ventures A-go-go that I got.  They totally lost the "Visual Sound Stereo" to
some 90s engineer that was never a Ventures fan and probably never heard the
original vinyl, with its screaming Hammond B-3 and tin-can Mosrite
guitars....

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:23:10 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Kiddies, Klaus Schulze and Disneyland!

>I loved Tivoli myself and when I saw it in 1980 it was exactly
>what I would have expected a real (European) amusement park to be
>like. My own jaded view of Disneyland (never having visited) is much
>the same as how I view Las Vegas (proudly, the only member of my
>family never to have made the voyage); I would have loved to see both
>in the 50's/60's when they were still genuine (I'd have visited Las
>Vegas for the neon alone!) but now, I'd probably be visiting either
>one with about the same paranoid (what if someone I know actually
>sees me here) feeling as when I had to buy a Celine Dion cd for a
>present for my mother last year in a major chain record store!

OK, OK. No dissing of Disneyland. I've been to Disney World in Florida (some
23 years ago now, pre Epcot) and to Disneyland, CA just this past winter.
This is CLASS amusement park entertainment. Blown away by the Fantasmagoric
(or something like that) water show at night. Tiki room is untouched - bar a
short bit cut out from the soundtrack. Rides are top notch - queuing is
almost as much fun as the rides. It IS a Magic Kingdom. There are still a
few of the originals like the FABULOUS Submarine ride. DIVE! Don't diss
until you've been there.

As for Vegas, why not try downtown Vegas? There is still a lot to see. Want
to go to the Strip? Try the Riviera or the Frontier or Caesars (if you can
afford it). Ask for a room in one of the original towers. You'd be surprised
how easy it is to get one. If you close your eyes and squint, you can see
what it was. Dress like a million bucks and play nickel slots if you must.
But why not just learn to play cards. Go to the Peppermill Lounge for a
cocktail. There is plenty of treasurable stuff there, just don't hit
Treasure Island. Vegas used to be sin city, now it is like Disneyland for
the whole family. That is a shame. But Disneyland is a great place if you're
looking for family entertainment. No one does it better.

Not all updated places are all crap. A little crappy, sure, but there are
reasons these places are so popular. And it isn't JUST because they go for
the mass audience. They do what they do really WELL. What you get out of it
is up to you!


>I am, however, finding myself intrigued about Euro Disneyland, if
>anything just to see for myself how on earth France of all places
>could have let this happen. I'm hopeful that somehow there MUST
>be something better to eat and drink there than McDonalds.

And you'd not get McDonalds in Disneyland. You'd get a Mickeyburger. You
see, you've obviously never been there...I've not been to EuroDisney, but
I'd love to go. I'm sure it's as class as Florida and California. However,
the weather probably sucks...

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 03:57:17 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: "Enter the Dragon" grunting

At 14:53 04/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>
>>>>my (Japanese) CD copy of "Enter the Dragon" doesn't have grunting, booohooo
>;-(
><<<
>
>You can find Lalo Schifrin's "ETD" theme - grunts included - on "This Is the
>Return of Cult Fiction: 36 Cult Classic Film & TV Themes" (Virgin UK, 1996).


EVERYONE! I think there is some confusion on this point. We are not talking
about the grunts in the song. Sure, they are in the track. On the LP, there
is a track at the end that is essential JUST GRUNTING. Maybe a couple of
sparse instrumentation, but just the fight grunting. This is only on the
vinyl, not the CD. So we are not talking about the grunts in the theme song.
You can get that on compilations and the Japanese CD. We are talking about
the track that ONLY HAS GRUNTS as the MAIN "music". Which I'm pretty sure is
on the album and NOT the CD. If anyone can confirm this, please email...

Thanks.

Jill "Mingo-go"



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:07:20 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A&M

Dear Charlieman-
Vinyl Lives!!!   Spread the Word!!!
Regards
Chuck


> > I believe that the reason many CD reissues are so bad is that they're done
>  > by
>  > some post-teenage rock engineer
>  >
>  You got that right.  I can't complain enough about the re-release of The
>  Ventures A-go-go that I got.  They totally lost the "Visual Sound Stereo"
to
>  some 90s engineer that was never a Ventures fan and probably never heard
the
>  original vinyl, with its screaming Hammond B-3 and tin-can Mosrite
>  guitars....
>


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:18:53 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) for trade: Marty Manning: "The Twilight zone"

for trade (or for sale, if i can't swap it):

Marty Manning's "The Twilight zone" lp, Columbia mono CL 1586, without
original cover alas, but record in perfect condition.

Heavenly beautiful, mysterious outer space exotica, with wordless vocals,
exotic percussion and lots of electronics. This in NOT the soundtrack to
the TV series, but a record Marty Manning made after it.

contact me by email if interested.

        Johan


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:38:21 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A&M needs to get with it

> Then you could walk into your
>local Goodwill or Salvation Army and pick up all the Sergio Mendes and Herb
>Alpert you want in near mint condition for a buck each.  If you get lucky,
>you'll get a Claudine, too.
>Please,please do! We should all boycott places like Footlights that
>charge absurd amount of money for the easiest to find albums.

Excuse me, not to niggle, however---who you people kidding?
it seems to me that you'd have to search Goodwills & Salv Armies day and night
to find a REALLY near-mint copy of Mendes / Claudine etc.  Virtually all these
shops get mostly trash-can quality vinyl, & they cram them in with the beat up
telephones and electronic junk or (maybe worse) stack 'em on the floor where
they get kicked/knocked over periodically.  Inner sleeves are less common than
peanut butter stains (or other unidentifiable nasty googlers). Sure, there's a
NM in there once in awhile, but what about the dozens you had to pass on?  I
mean, what's your time/gas/wear/tear worth?
Fondly,
Chuck


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:47:59 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Autographed records

While we're on the subject.........
I've got lp's autographed by the following:
Larry Ferrari
Sergio Franchi
Frankie Laine
Les McCann
Challengers

Eat your hearts out, Yankee dogs!!
Cordially,
Chuck


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:09:05 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Yesterland and Disneyland!

In a message dated 98-07-05 23:42:26 EDT, you write:

<< Yesterland Site - Rememberance of now defunct
 Disneyland Attractions. waay cool site, kiddies :)
  >>

this is actually a REALLY cool site.  check out the "E Ticket" picture that is
scaned in.  i copied this and sometimes add it to letters, invitations, etc.

robert


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:23:37 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) More on the damn beanie babies

this is a copy of a post that some "beanie" lover sent me:

<< You should see Freckles the leopard "lounging" in his martini glass,
or spinning Martin Denny tunes sitting on the center of the turntable!  Too
precious for you to appreciate, I'm afraid!  >>

what i can appreciate is that i am now nauseous.   and it ain't from the
spinning record.

robert


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:49 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) A Good Beat and You Can Dance to It

Sorry, mate listmembers.
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:01:03, I ("Giovanni Berti"
[e-mail]) wrote:

> Hi Ben, I'd like to have these taped down!
> What about working for a tape swap of killer dance tracks, taking
> inspiration from the recent thread introduced in the list by Brad (I
> know it's you in disguise!)

The message was meant to be sent privately to a listmember, and has
been posted to the list by error, probably resulting partly obscure.
Sorry for the waste of your time I have caused.
Ciao
Gionni


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:49 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The All Seeing I

Just wanted to say that I have bought a cd single by this group
"The All Seeing I" (I don't know anything about them, except that
they're from Sheffield, UK) called "Beat Goes On", that - yes - it is
a reworked version of the Sonny & Cher classic. Whether I tend to
dislike contemporary "Easy" music (Dimitri from Paris, Air, etc.) I
find this record do rule! It has a distinct easy flavour, and it is
quite danceable too, without sounding any house. Nice lazy girl
vocals.
Worth a listen, if you should come across.
It's out on London Records (ffrr/earth recs.), 570 146-2.
PY901. LC7654 (1998).
B-side is all-forgettable "Booty In The I"
I Think it's their first. Does anyone know something about them?
Ciao
Gionni


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:24:21 -0700
From: LeAnn & Dave Davidson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) mike nichols and elaine may purchased!

>>Also, thanks to someone on this list who planted the seed of Sonny Lester in
>>my mind, I found an LP by his orchestra and chorus.  "How To Belly Dance For
>>Your Husband" is a beautiful mix of exotic jazz and mysterious wordless
>>vocals.

>He also did "how to STRIP for your husband" and it's okay but not great.

About a year ago I picked up a still-sealed album at a garage sale that is
very similar to these mentioned.  I haven't broken the seal yet, though -
perhaps someone has heard it and knows if I should.  It's called "How to
Keep Your Husband Happy - Look Slim! Keep Trim! Exercise along with Debbie
Drake", with muic by Frank Hunter (Epic Stereo/BN 26102).  The back has a
wonderful checklist for keeping husbands happy - things like keeping your
voice soft and musical, and keeping mentally alert by trying to read (!).
Anyone heard it?

Dave



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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:33:06 -0700
From: LeAnn & Dave Davidson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Andy and Claudine

At 05:37 AM 7/6/98 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Andy may have given America the Osmonds, but the Osmonds gave us the world's
>greatest Jackson5sploitation hit "One Bad Apple Don't Spoil The Whole Bunch
>Girl".....which arguably COULD go on Brad's tape.. ;-)

Don't forget "Yo-Yo" and "Down by the Lazy River"!  I believe the Osmonds
were demoted to Branson as well, and little Jimmy (remember "Long Haired
Lover from Liverpool" - Eeek) is now their business manager.  I think they
have an official site, it's like www.osmonds.com or something....

So does anyone know who "Andy and David Williams", failed seventies teen
idols, were? Blood relations to Andy/Claudine?

Dave


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:02:25 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Kontiki III - the museum expedition, Part 2

At 02:21 PM 06/07/98 +0000, Moritz R wrote:

1) >met ** and  ** both respected members of the Exotica list.

2) > It was the first time in my life I everencountered someone I only had
known via the electronic media before and it was not a disappointment.

I don't question the second statement.  I bet that was a nice experience.
I figure I'll do that myself someday.  I almost did meet a couple of people
from the list a couple of months ago but "something" happened to them.

But that first statement...
Are there "respected" members here?
Respectable, probably a whole bunch, maybe not...
I'm not saying they're NOT respected...
Oh, somebody knows what I'm saying here.
I guess I thought that a bunch of people who discuss the relative merits of
often long-forgotten, discarded and disregarded records wouldn't be
referring to each other as "the honourable member from wherever".
(And don't bother with the replies "Yes there are respected members but
you're not one of them!"  Last time I heard that, I fell off my dinosaur
laughing.)

Nat



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: http://swingchicks.com

Thought you might like some of the music at  this site.
>
> http://www.swinginchicks.com/
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:34:21 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan M Perl)
Subject: (exotica) records for sale

I will be packing up my stuff and moving away from NYC in a couple of
months.
But I went a bit overboard with my record purchases, and won't be able to
carry it all.
So there are some listed for sale here:
http://www.atlanticventure.com/myforsale.html
Most are no more than three or four dollars.
If you are interested but don't have web access, let me know, and I will
email you a list.

sorry for the intrusion

regards
Jonny

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:26:20 -0500
From: Robert Sloane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)

At 01:24 PM 7/5/98 -0500, recliner wrote:

>When asked "What kind of music do you like?" those who reply: "I like all
>kinds of music" are inherently un-cool.
>
>Am I too mean?

I don't know about "mean," but may I argue with you, Frank?  I fail to see
why "lik[ing] all kinds of music" makes one "inherently un-cool."  Could
you explain a bit more?  Maybe it's "coolness" (or this particular
formulation of it) with which I have a problem: does one's "obsession" in
something up the coolness factor?  I've always been confused about this
argument when it comes to music.  Music often, if not always, evolves
through the combinations of different forms, textures, sounds.  How do you
judge where one music stops and another starts?

This begs the question about how genres get defined (my own particular
obsession right now), and to what extent the lines that ostensibly divide
genres are accepted, mutate, and/or are thrown out altogether.  As many on
this list have noted, "exotica" (hey, we can't even agree on an accurate
NAME for our quasi-genre) is almost undefinable by music type.  As someone
recently suggested, it seems to be more about a spirit of eclecticism
(itself an inclusionary impulse) than any unifying sound qualities.
Similarly, the recent thread about swing showed some slippage between what
gets defined as "swing" and how that, in its most current form, is
different from, or incorporates elements of, rockabilly, jump jazz, big
band, etc.  If someone were to tell you she's into "dance" music, and
collected it obsessively, what would that mean to you?  Pop?  Disco?
Techno?  Ballroom?  Swing?  Ballet?  All?  Some?  I can't think of another
category name (except perhaps "exotica") that has so little descriptive
power.  Granted, the argument might change if someone obsessively collects,
um, "death metal"--but again, who decides what that might be?  (Music
companies, radio stations, fans, musicians, critics, etc.--but they're
always fighting about it.)

I'm sure that the spirit animating your post is that anyone who devotes
enough time to being thorough in collecting will necessarily be more "cool"
(knowledgeable/trendsetter/whatever) than those with broader tastes (the
so-called "dupes," "dabblers," and "trend followers" whom you necessarily
assume will be less "obsessive," or thorough, which is not an assumption I
would make).  But this kind of insular thinking seems, to me, to be
remarkably close to the kinds of attitudes that foster nationalism, racism,
xenophobia (I am NOT accusing you of such things): "Here's my space, I own
it, nobody else can get in."  This seems to fly in the face of what music
is generally, and what "exotica" represents more specifically.  If what you
say represents a truism for fans of particular genres (and I'm afraid it
often does), it's little surprise to me that so many people with similar
interests (i.e., music) have so little to talk about except what they just
scored, or how their "collections" are coming along, etc.

I got interested in "exotica" because it seems inclusionary, not
exclusionary, in every way.  I was hoping we'd gotten past name-calling and
territorial games.

Best, and
Not meant as a flame, but as a serious inquiry,

Rob

P.S.: I'd venture to say that many on this list would say "I like all kinds
of music."  Yes?  No?

P.P.S.:  Or maybe we're all just inherently un-cool.  Which is fine.  :)


At 01:24 PM 7/5/98 -0500, recliner wrote:

>>A friend of mine once said that ANY record collection, as long as it was
>>thorough enough in its focus, would be inherently cool.
>
>Obsession=cool=trendsetter
>
>Dabbler=ordinary=dupe(trend follower)
>
>Tangentially related:
>
>When asked "What kind of music do you like?" those who reply: "I like all
>kinds of music" are inherently un-cool.
>
>Am I too mean?




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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 98 18:25:01 Pacific Daylight Time
From: darren hutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) the berkeley item #8

- --------
>From: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: the berkeley item #8
>Date: July 06, 1998
>
>I am just passing it on and nothing to do with writing it.
>
>Tony
>
>>
>
>> ******************************************
>
>> N E W S F R O M F A N T A S Y , I N C.
>
>> <<the berkeley item: a weekly e-bulletin>
>
>> ******************************************
>
>>
>
>> ROB BOWMAN is the co-producer of Stax's forthcoming BOOKER T. & THE
>MGs box
>
>> "Time Is Tight" and annotator of several dozen Stax reissues. He's
>also the
>
>> author of "Soulsville, U.S.A.: The Story of Stax Records," published
>last
>
>> fall by Schirmer Books and twice honored this spring:
>
>>
>
>> The Chicago-based Association of Recorded Sound Collections has
>bestowed
>
>> its Excellence in Musical Research award on Bowman; and on July 25,
>Rob
>
>> will fly to Porretta, Italy to accept the Sweet Soul Music Award
>onstage at
>
>> the Porretta Music Festival, held in Rufus Thomas Park. (Performing
>that
>
>> night will be SOLOMON BURKE and the BAR-KAYS.)
>
>>
>
>> "Soulsville: U.S.A." has just been nominated for a Ralph J. Gleason
>Music
>
>> Book Award, to be announced later this month.
>
>>
>
>> For further information, contact Rob Bowman at <<[e-mail]>.
>
>>
>
>> ============
>
>>
>
>> Three titles, all guitarist's delights, are about to be reissued from
>the
>
>> Kicking Mule catalog. "Thirteen Down," recorded in '79, is the only
>studio
>
>> album by the BERT JANSCH CONUNDRUM; Jansch, of course, is the
>influential
>
>> co-founder of Pentangle whom Neil Young fdubbed "the Jimi Hendrix of
>
>
>> acoustic guitarists."
><<http://www.fantasyjazz.com/janschb3909.html>http://www.fantasyjazz.com/jan
>schb3909.html<underline>
>
>>
>
>> </underline>The *other* co-founder of Pentangle, JOHN RENBOURN, is
>featured with STEFAN
>
>> GROSSMAN on "Under the Volcano" (1979), the guitar duo's second
>album.
>
>> "It's not like putting B.B. King in front of an English rock band,"
>
>> Grossman observed of their partnership at the time of this recording.
>
>
>> "Actually now I'm playing more Irish and Celtic tunes and John's
>playing
>
>> the funky blues."
><<http://www.fantasyjazz.com/grossmans3910.html>http://www.fantasyjazz.com/g
>rossmans3910.html<underline>
>
>>
>
>> </underline>"Of all the instrumental albums I have worked on," STEFAN
>GROSSMAN wrote in
>
>> the notes for "Bottleneck Serenade" (1975), "this has been the most
>
>> exciting to put together." Recorded in Rome and London, the disc took
>
>
>> advantage of then-new 16-track studio technology, allowing Grossman
>to
>
>> create multi-layered guitar instrumentals.
>
>> http://www.fantasyjazz.com/grossmans3911.html<underline>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> </underline>******************************************
>
>> N E W S F R O M F A N T A S Y , I N C.
>
>> Fantasy / Prestige / Milestone / Contemporary
>
>> Good Time Jazz / Pablo / Riverside / Galaxy
>
>> Specialty / Takoma / Kicking Mule / Stax
>
>> Original Jazz Classics / Original Blues Classics
>
>> <<<<http://www.fantasyjazz.com>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>Tony Gasparre <<mailto:[e-mail]>
>
> President
>
>Yellow Dog Communications, Inc.
>
><<http://www.yellowdog.com/>
>
>phone [phone] fax [phone]
>
>
>



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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:35:33 -0700
From: Steve Sando <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)

At 03:26 PM 7/6/98 -0500, Robert Sloane wrote:
>
>At 01:24 PM 7/5/98 -0500, recliner wrote:
>
>>When asked "What kind of music do you like?" those who reply: "I like all
>>kinds of music" are inherently un-cool.
>>
>>Am I too mean?
>
>I don't know about "mean," but may I argue with you, Frank?  I fail to see
>why "lik[ing] all kinds of music" makes one "inherently un-cool."

I think the un-cool answer to "What kind of music do you like?" is "Oh, I
don't know, all types really". Ussually this means they like current pop
music but can listen to anything. These people are ussually irritated by my
music. It's like having a full bar and asking what your guest would like to
drink and they reply, "Oh, just a white wine". There's nothing wrong with
white wine, but no one seems to say "Gosh, I'd adore a white wine!",
there's often a certain I'm-not-going-to-completely-enjoy-myself attitude.
Naturally, there exceptions.

Has anyone else had the horrifying experience of being introduced socially
to someone new with "Oh, Steve knows ALL about music" and the new person
loves power rock or Celine Dion and thinks you're a fraud because you don't
follow the latest grungebands?

MisterLUCKY, published by Coconut Grove Media
Visit MisterLUCKY on the web: http://www.mrlucky.com
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
"Strange how potent cheap music is" - Noel Coward


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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 01:51:55 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The inherently un-cool

"We're through being cool"
(DEVO 1981)


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:04:39 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The inherently un-cool (was Tiki Lites / swing / etc)

At 03:26 PM 06/07/98 -0500, Robert Sloane wrote:

>I'm sure that the spirit animating your post is that anyone who devotes
>enough time to being thorough in collecting will necessarily be more "cool"
>(knowledgeable/trendsetter/whatever) than those with broader tastes (the
>so-called "dupes," "dabblers," and "trend followers" whom you necessarily
>assume will be less "obsessive," or thorough, which is not an assumption I
>would make).  But this kind of insular thinking seems, to me, to be
>remarkably close to the kinds of attitudes that foster nationalism, racism,
>xenophobia (I am NOT accusing you of such things):

Well as long as we understand we're both engaging in hyperbole here, I'd
venture the opinion that someone who says they like all kinds of music
would be more likely to be the racist and/or nationalist.
Why?
Because saying you like everything means that you have no opinion of your
own and racism and nationalism also can derive from the same non-thinking,
non-discerning attitude.
Accepting what you've been fed.
Hey by the way, belated happy birthday to all you proud Americans in the
greatest country the world has ever known.  The freest, the best, the
smartest.. hmm, how do I know that?  Well that's what they say.

I don't think about cool or uncool much when someone says "I like
everything".  All I think is "Oh you mean, you don't have any particular
attractions?  You mean that I could play you anything right now and it
would have approximately the same effect on you?"
And this reminds me of the old joke:
"What's the best thing someone will say about a Canadian film?"
Answer: "Pretty good".
"What's the worst thing they'll say?"
Same answer: "pretty good".

(Or are you supposed to tell that in the opposite order?)

That's not a joke about Canadian film but about the public's attitude
towards them.
(Note to brian k., cheryl and will: shhhhhhh...)
Okay maybe it's a joke about Canadian film too.

I didn't think this was a discussion of people who say "I like lots of
different genres" and mean that they love Coltrane and Yo La Tengo and
Blind Willie Johnson and Al Green and the Palace Brothers and the Louvin
Brothers and Gary McFarland and Perez Prado and Henry Mancini.
I thought it was about people who turn on the radio and hear the announcer
say "WKBW, the station that's not too hard, not too soft".  And they think
"oh perfect".
I thought it was about people who say "I like everything" and mean "I don't
like anything in particular".
And that's fine with me.  I feel the same way about classical music.  And I
would just say "Oh turn on whatever you want because it's all about the
same to me".

I'm stopping myself here.

Nat



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