Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics More reggae More ska More polka
Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb:
>
> > Interesting point. It's true. It IS a bit polkaish.
>
> Do you really think so?
> Uhm... isn't polka supposed to be OOM-pah OOM-pah and ska more like oom-PAH
> oom-PAH...?
>
both are 4/4 rhytms with a tendency to 2/4, which makes them similar. Very different from oom-dz-pah-dz, oom-dz-pah-dz... resp. oom-dzicke-doom-dzicke, oom-dzicke-doom-dzicke, which would be real 4/4s. oom-PAH, dz-dz, oom-PAH, dz-dz is more what reggae is. Besides that reggae is slower, ska often skips the second oom-bassdrum, as in oom-pah-dz-pah, oom-pah-dz-pah... the similarity of Ska to New Wave however is, that New Wave often has this "octave bass", like an alternating low C-high C, oom-pah-oom-pah-oom-pah-oom-pah, which dominates many songs, making them unusually fast and, imho similar to Ska. No wonder Ska was the next big thing after new wave.
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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:03:02 +0000
From: KK <Kahuna.K@hamburg.de>
Subject: (exotica) reggae faves
moritzR wrote:
> I know what reggae has to do with exotica.
>
> Recent reggae finds:
>
> "Boss Reggae" - the guitarist of the Skatalites with an instrumental solo album - super duper!
>
> "Best of Harry "J" Johnson", double LP/CD, who made my absolute favorite reggae tune of all times, "The Liquidator", but also produced incredible things like "Young, Gifted And Black". On the Trojan label.
I like a little bitty slice of reggae almost all year round. I donÆt
have many records, but the few I have I really appreciate. The best is
the double LP best of Jackie Mittoo on Souljazz (Iif I remember
correctly). He was a keyboarder (mostly hammond, some electric piano) at
legendary Sudio One. And this music mixes so perfectly with other ALL
the other stuff I like.
KK
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:03:39 -0500
From: azed@pathcom.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics More reggae More ska
At 10:10 PM 11/30/01 +0100, moritzR wrote:
.>Interesting point. It's true. It IS a bit polkaish. But don't you like
ANY polka at all? I love ska. Did you ever consider to dance, I mean,
really dance to it? It's so cool. Actually it's rock'n'roll going calypso,
so it has this charming - a little bit - naive element, which is absolutely
exotic, because it's tribal... primitve...
What do you mean by REALLY dance?
I used to dance. Reggae was good for dancing. So was disco.
I didn't like ska because it was too fast. I always felt like an idiot
trying to keep up with the beat.
It wasn't even like dancing.
If fast is what's required for real dancing, count me out.
And at this point, any music that is primarily meant for dancing, doesn't
interest me.
Ska might be good for a party but I don't like party music either.
That's not an important musical quality to me.
AS far as your ability to see it as exotica-related, I'm not surprised. I
was just trying to expand the conversation here a bit.
But if it has to be either exotica or something that you can see as
exotica-related so be it.
Then again blues is primitive and tribal.
And most rock music is based on the blues.
So let's talk about Led Zeppelin.
AZ
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:09:58 -0500
From: Will Straw <william.straw@mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics
>
>Here here! No matter how wide my musical interests expand, reggae
>remains the one genre I do not embrace. Maybe it's the singing. Cause
>I love dub.
>
>--crymad
Hear, hear. I love dub in all its forms, but cannot take reggae without
it. I may be just blaming it for all the bores who've liked it.
Will
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:23:23 -0500
From: azed@pathcom.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) reggae faves
At 01:03 AM 12/1/01 +0000, KK wrote:
>
>moritzR wrote:
>
>> I know what reggae has to do with exotica.
>>
>> Recent reggae finds:
>>
>> "Boss Reggae" - the guitarist of the Skatalites with an instrumental
solo album - super duper!
>>
>> "Best of Harry "J" Johnson", double LP/CD, who made my absolute favori=
te
reggae tune of all times, "The Liquidator", but also produced incredible
things like "Young, Gifted And Black". On the Trojan label.
>
>I like a little bitty slice of reggae almost all year round. I don=92t
>have many records, but the few I have I really appreciate. The best is
>the double LP best of Jackie Mittoo on Souljazz (Iif I remember
>correctly). He was a keyboarder (mostly hammond, some electric piano) at
>legendary Sudio One. =20
I like the Jackie Mittoo also and I admit that it is basically reggae but
for me it's really just more groovy organ easy listening instrumental
music. More like a Jimmy Smith or a Willie Mitchell record than "real"
reggae.
It's not the reggae beat I don't care for. And I was a reggae fan once. =
I
had lots of it, not just the classics. But I just got bored by it.
If you like that basic beat, you might want to check out some Ernest
Ranglin. He has lots of records out there. I can't vouch for all of them
but a recent one called "Bomb the Bassline" is really nice. Kind of like
Grant Green with a reggae beat.
As for Jackie Mittoo, he moved up to Canada for some reason and did some
records for the "Canadian Talent Library" label, as a leader but mostly a=
s
a session man. I have one of his "solo" records which is really the
epitome of easy listening reggae.
He covers such reggae classics as "One man woman/one woman man", "Ebb Tid=
e"
and "Feel like making love".
It's pretty good. As long as like me, you don't mind a little easy
listening with your reggae.
Az=20
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:41:34 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Farewell George Harrison.......
In a message dated 11/30/01 3:49:27 PM, azed@pathcom.com writes:
<< He was also my favorite Beatle. No particular reason. >>
John was Theee Beatle IMHO...George never seemed to be quite in synch to what
the Beatles were doing melodically when he stepped to the mic. "Don't Bother
Me" was good, but then everything else he did had "George" written all over
it, not "Beatles". I felt worst for him (besides today) when the Chiffons
scored paydirt for "My Sweet Lord" sounding like "He's So Fine". That was a
sham
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:42:34 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) give me a break
In a message dated 11/30/01 3:55:07 PM, azed@pathcom.com writes:
<< But then they put up one of those messages they're getting online:
"I'm glad John is there to welcome George into Rock n Roll Heaven".
Are there people actually comforted by this?
I guess there are. >>
as long as Three Dog Night was there to lip synch the lyrics...didn't they do
it?
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:43:36 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Farewell George Harrison.......
In a message dated 11/30/01 3:56:49 PM, moritzR@t-online.de writes:
<< This is of course very subjective. Fact is, I don't like any single song
Paul made after the Beatles, and that is why I made this statement. I mean,
Ringo also did a couple of albums and jammed here and there, but I can't
really take it serious. Paul to me, at his best, is the con-genius partner of
John Lennon.
>>
Proving that "The whole is greater than the sum-total of its parts"
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:45:00 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics More reggae More ska
In a message dated 11/30/01 4:11:46 PM, moritzR@t-online.de writes:
<< Recent reggae finds: >>
Try Jackie Mittoo, King of the Studio One Keyboard on Studio One..a
double...organ groove with a reggae leaning
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:24:52 -0800
From: crymad <crymad@xprt.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics
Will Straw wrote:
>
> Hear, hear. I love dub in all its forms, but cannot take reggae without
> it. I may be just blaming it for all the bores who've liked it.
>
You said it. The only thing worse than "laid-back" white guys who dig
reggae are "laid-back" white guys who dig Jimmy Buffet. Tragically,
they are often one in the same.
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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 05:23:22 +0100
From: moritzR@t-online.de (moritzR)
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics
crymad schrieb:
> The only thing worse than "laid-back" white guys who dig
> reggae are "laid-back" white guys who dig Jimmy Buffet. Tragically,
> they are often one in the same.
Ah, I get it. It's a race thing. I often wondered why reggae is so especially unpopular in the States.
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:57:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Sean Pearman <Pearmania@Chatini.com>
Subject: (exotica) reggae
While I'm not a huge reggae fan, there are a few reggae gems I treasure like "Satta Massaganna" by The Abyssinians -- a roots masterpiece with great harmonies, great lyrics and great percussion.
Another musical landmark, in the dub genre, is "Time Warp Dub Clash" (titled "Raiders of the Lost Dub" until George Lucas found out about it) . Sly and Robbie were years ahead of their time and influenced hip hop, trip hop, techno, etc.
yeah really, i'm sure Geo. would have laugh at that -
considering he believes/d in reincarnation.
Best wishes for your new life George and thanks for
Taxman one of my desert island singles.
Stu
--- azed@pathcom.com wrote: >
> Okay I just turned on CNN and there's a farewell to
> George Harrison, a
> somewhat welcome respite from Afghanistan.
> But then they put up one of those messages they're
> getting online:
>
> "I'm glad John is there to welcome George into Rock
> n Roll Heaven".
>
> Are there people actually comforted by this?
>
> I guess there are.
>
> AZ
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 06:04:17 -0500
From: bump@defectiverecords.com (Bump Stadelman)
Subject: RE: (exotica) Farewell George Harrison.......
>(Still, my money is on Ringo to win it all. He's aged better than any could
>have believed, and certianly has more chutzpah than Paul.)
lets hope so but
is a Beatle Death Pattern emerging?
seems the cooler ones are leaving first.
so in my perspective, Ringo is next to go to the big Octopus's Garden in
the Sky.
though i hope not, he was my favorite beatle as a kid.
as i grew up, john replaced ringo.
i liked George cuz he did not seem to fit in.
off in his mystic world which was cool. and now he's THERE!
Sir Paul "Ebony and Ivory" McCartney is so dull.
like a zombie.
didn't he die when they thought he was dead?
(i did like Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey, Live and Let Die and Jet and dare
i say it, Goodnight Tonight,
just for the drum machine and bassline)
Did Ringo get a "SIR" too dammit?
Yellow Submarine was the first 45's i ever picked out to have
my parents buy for me. age 4
(or was it Judy in Disguise?)
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:16:29 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <quiet@village.uunet.be>
Subject: (exotica) New eXotica Releases Overview Update
A new update to the "eXotica Releases Overview" is available now.
Because I'm still "behind the times", especially with reading Exotica
Digests, I'm not posting the additions here.
If you would like to receive complete updates on a regular base by
e-mail, just let me know you want to get on my " eXotica Releases
Overview updater".
The eXotica Releases Overview is part of "Dada's Exotiquarium":
http://zip.to/dada
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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:14:48 +0100
From: moritzR@t-online.de (moritzR)
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Specials More topics
Bump Stadelman schrieb:
>
>
> i thought it was that it can be EXTREMELY BORING.
> and Ganja is still illegal!
I don't know. Any music style can be extremely boring. We only like the good examples of any style, don't we? But as I understand Alan, he can't get comfortable with Ska in general, although he says he was into it a bit a while ago. I don't know if my "definition" of why reggae, ska or dub is exotica related or danceable or whatever, was any good... To me it is one of the few styles still in aktive living development that I still watch, and since it comes mostly from a tropical island I think it's kind of exotic. As for the Ganja argument... Pot isn't legal in most countries, yet some of them have a strong reggae scene. OK, in Holland - one of these countries - dope is kind of legal, but e.g. not in England and not in Germany, although we are not sentenced to death, when we get caught.
> I love the Dub reggae stuff and "toasters".
IMHO the ragamuffin direction has become too popular in MTV music these days. It mixed with rap and hip hop in a rather unpleasant way. Classical Dub on the other side: yes, always. Some of my favorite dub collection belongs to the most psychedelic music I ever heard.
Mo
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:45:28 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <quiet@village.uunet.be>
Subject: (exotica) direct link to online "eXotica Releases Overview" Update
direct link to online "eXotica Releases Overview" Update:
