> Unfortunately, I'm not kidding. All I've ever seen have been Live for
> Life
> and A Man and a Woman, and he doesn't generate as much discussion as
> people
> like Morricone or Umiliani, and certainly not Les Baxter, so I'm looking
> for
> enlightenment. I take it the other stuff is hard to come by? El
> Maestro's
> post leads me to think that I may never see another Lai album unless I'm
> really lucky. But at least I'm glad to know that there's yet another
> treasure trove out there waiting for me to discover.
>
> Clayton
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:14:57 -0400
From: lousmith@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Francis Lai
Those interested in Lai should visit his official site at:
http://www.francis-lai.com/lai/eng/homeus.html
At the site is this news:
We are pleased to announce that the official release of the complete works of Francis Lai is due in April 2001. You may now view the complete list of songs, film soundtracks, television or film themes that will be included in this special edition of 15 CDs.
Does anyone recall some weird rumors about Lai's actual musical abilities? I seem to recall some scuttlebutt that he could only whistle a melody line - it was his "arranger" who composed the music. After this arranger died, Lai would still take on commissions but never deliver any music. Am I inventing this memory? Has anyone else ever heard this??
Lou
Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu> wrote:
>
Are
>> there other greats by Lai or does this pretty much exhaust the good stuff by
>> him?
>
> Are you kidding?
>
Unfortunately, I'm not kidding. All I've ever seen have been Live for Life
and A Man and a Woman, and he doesn't generate as much discussion as people
like Morricone or Umiliani, and certainly not Les Baxter, so I'm looking for
enlightenment. I take it the other stuff is hard to come by? El Maestro's
post leads me to think that I may never see another Lai album unless I'm
really lucky. But at least I'm glad to know that there's yet another
treasure trove out there waiting for me to discover.
Clayton
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:24:05 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <brcleve@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Francis Lai
on 10/24/01 10:14 AM, lousmith@pipeline.com at lousmith@pipeline.com wrote:
> Does anyone recall some weird rumors about Lai's actual musical abilities? I
> seem to recall some scuttlebutt that he could only whistle a melody line - it
> was his "arranger" who composed the music. After this arranger died, Lai would
> still take on commissions but never deliver any music. Am I inventing this
> memory? Has anyone else ever heard this??
yeah, that story was related to me by Pete Rugolo a few years back, so I
assume it's true.
br cleve
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:37:22 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <brcleve@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Francis Lai
on 10/24/01 10:24 AM, Br. Cleve at brcleve@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> on 10/24/01 10:14 AM, lousmith@pipeline.com at lousmith@pipeline.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone recall some weird rumors about Lai's actual musical abilities? I
>> seem to recall some scuttlebutt that he could only whistle a melody line - it
>> was his "arranger" who composed the music. After this arranger died, Lai
>> would
>> still take on commissions but never deliver any music. Am I inventing this
>> memory? Has anyone else ever heard this??
remembering more -- Lai plays keyboards, I recall, so I think he wrote his
melodies that way. He was not able to score music, I was told, so his
arranger took care of all that (a common practice even with composers who do
know how to score). I don't know about the part about the arranger dying.
br cleve
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:40:21 +0100
From: Michael Jemmeson <michael@moreover.com>
Subject: Re: H.S.G. (was: Re: (exotica) Paul Mauriat (sp??))
Daniel Shiman wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention, if it's hidden sitars yer seeking, check out Richie
> Havens' "Something Else Again" LP for its title track. Features Havens with
> some very rudimentary sitar plunking, and everybody's funky flautist, Jeremy
> Steig, as well as his crack band, the Satyrs. No singing, either. It's
> really worth a listen, and not at all what one'd expect from Havens.
i got this at the weekend for 1.50 and was very impressed. most of the
album is in that jazzy acoustic sound, like Terry Callier, or 'Astral
Weeks'. what are his other albums like? i only know his version of
'Going Back To My Roots' from 1980, which is an absolute killer IMO -
the best version around that i've heard
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:56:29 +0900
From: Jan Fornell <tripa@sannet.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Francis Lai
Lai appears playing the accordion (and usually wearing dark sunglasses)
in a number of films by Claude Lelouch, to most of whose films he's
written the music.
Jan
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:56:04 EDT
From: TempoBlock@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) On the signpost up ahead...
AMG EXPERT REVIEW: One of vibraphonist Gary Burton's most intriguing recordings, A Genuine Tong Funeral (Carla Bley's suite which musically depicts attitudes toward death) was called by its composer a "Dark Opera Without Words." Burton's classic Quartet (which also includes guitarist Larry Coryell, bassist Steve Swallow and drummer Bob Moses) is augmented by six notable all-stars: soprano saxophonist Steve Lacy, trumpeter Mike Mantler, Gato Barbieri on tenor, trombonist Jimmy Knepper, Howard Johnson on tuba and baritone and Bley herself on piano and organ. The music is dramatic, occasionally a little humorous, and a superb showcase for Gary Burton's vibes. ù Scott Yanow
1. The Opening (Bley) - 1:27
2. Interlude: Shovels - :43
3. The Survivors (Bley) - :34
4. Grave Train - 3:57
5. Death Rolls (Bley) - 1:34
6. Morning, Pt. 1 (Bley) - 1:42
7. Interlude: Lament/Intermission Music (Bley) - 4:28
8. Silent Spring (Bley) - 8:00
9. Fanfare - :40
10. Mother of the Dead Man (Bley) - 2:14
11. Some Dirge (Bley) - 7:49
12. Morning, Pt. 2 - 1:19
13. The New Funeral March - 2:43
14. The New National Anthem [*] (Bley) - 5:54
15. The Survivors [*] (Bley) - :48
16. Lofty Fake Anagram: June 15, 1967 - 4:55
17. Feelings and Things [*] (Bley) - 4:09
18. Fleurette Africaine [*] (Bley) - 3:43
19. I'm Your Pal (Swallow) - 3:07
20. Lines [*] (Bley) - -5:-3
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:09:49 -0400
From: lousmith@pipeline.com
Subject: (exotica) MOFO on the air
All fans of our Otis F. Odder and the BranFlakes should be tuned into WFMU for the next 4 hours as he and Mildred take over Irwin's shows.
Webcast is available at http://wfmu.org
and of course the shows will be archived for future downloading.
Lou
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:19:38 +0100
From: Michael Jemmeson <michael@moreover.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Halloween
lousmith@pipeline.com wrote:
>
> Would Gary Burton's A Genuine Tong Funeral count?
I've been really lazy in posting finds etc (i.e. posted none) over past
year, and meant to post something about this. It's a really good album,
from start to finish, save for one Larry Coryell guitar solo I could do
without. It's not particularly creepy, but there are a few funeral march
type moments.
Can anyone explain what the 'Tong' in the title means, though. Neither
the liner notes nor the web have been able to explain it.
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:32:10 EDT
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) water, water everywhere
In a message dated 10/23/01 9:52:47 PM, mace@ookworld.com writes:
<< How many
say the heck with it and use tap water, with the benefit of a fresh stream
of water for the rinse cycle? I >>
tap water, dish detergent, around and around the rekkid, outside and in, both
sides over and over, rinse very well, dry in rack overnight...stuff back in
jacket with fresh plastic coating, often with a new 12" white
innersleeve...Welcome to my collection Mr. Rekkid, may you have a long and
fruitful stay and never wear out your welcome
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: tikiman <taboorecords@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sad News for Arthur Lyman Fans
Sad but true. Kevin's got more info on the details of
the event than we do. my understanding is that Arthur
has cancer that has gotten into his liver and has lost
considerable weight, rather frail, prospects not good.
Perry and I met with Martin Denny and a rep from the
Elks Club to plan the fundraiser to help with his
medical bills on Nov 11, Veteran's Day. Arthur was a
member there, and lots of his friends and old time
musicians want to help. Our part is to back Martin
along with Augie Colon, Harold Chang, Archie Grant,
plus Lopaka Colon and Jake Shimabukuro, ukelele wiz of
local group Colon (in honor of his father). Marty
hopes that Arthur is up for joining the group for
Yellow Bird and Taboo. we've taken many friends and
fans to the Friday gig Kev describes so well... always
regal, humble and accessible. please help out if you
can.
A Caravan of Aloha,
Fluid Floyd
- --- Kevin Crossman <kevin@kevdo.com> wrote:
>
> I have been informed of some very sad news for fans
> of Arthur Lyman.
> According to reports, Lyman is quite ill - grim
> prospects in fact,
> according the folks I've been in contact with.
>
> There will be a historical tribute and fund-raiser
> to help with the
> medical bills at the Honolulu Elks Lodge on Nov.
> 11th.
>
> Those of us on the mainland may contribute to the
> fund. Here are the details.
>
> The Lyman benefit will consist of a canoe regatta
> (this will include
> anything that can be paddled; regular canoes, one
> man canoes, kayaks,
> paddleboards, etc. The race starts at Moanalua Bay
> (Hawaii Kai) and ends
> at the Lodge. The entire Lodge/Club facility will
> be closed and entry
> will be by $25.00 admission open to the public.
> This $25.00 will go to
> Arthur's benefit. There will be music all day,
> upstairs and downstairs.
> The event will start at 8:00 am and end at about
> 6:00 pm.
>
> Donations can be sent to the Honolulu Elks Lodge,
> 2933 Kalakaua Ave,
> Honolulu, HI 96815.
> Check payable to the "Honolulu Elks Lodge/Arthur
> Lyman Fund"
>
> For more information you may contact the Elks Lodge
> at elks616@lava.net
>
> I recently wrote an article for Oahu's IS Magazine
> on the top 5 Mai Tais
> on Oahu. My number one favorite Mai Tai of all time
> was the Mai Tai at
> the New Otani Hotel while Lyman performed during his
> Friday lunchtime
> solo gigs. This was in large part due to the
> gracious gentleman who
> performed for several sets, taking requests from the
> assembled and
> genially posed for photos and signed autographs. The
> man who had given
> so much to so many over the years was humble and
> touched when I
> complimented noted that **his** version of "Love
> Dance" (not Baxter's or
> Denny's) was my favorite. I will treasure my
> memories of Arthur's
> performances on record and in person, even though I
> was born long after
> his rise to fame.
>
> I would encourage all of you to send best wishes as
> well as a
> contribution to the man known to many as the Tiki
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:04:13 -0700
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Cleaning Records
>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:53:09 -0400
>From: "M.Ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
>Subject: (exotica) water, water everywhere
>
>When cleaning records with water, how many of you worry about the minerals
>(and etc) in tap water and go the length of using distilled water?
I do... If the record is particularly dirty, I find that distilled
white vinegar is really good at cutting dirt without leaving any
residue. After the vinegar I wipe it with distilled water and dry
it with a soft towel. Works like magic!
See ya
Steve
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:11:55 -0400
From: lousmith@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Cleaning Records
Our Exotica List FAQ includes the following:
Q: What is the best way to clean really dirty old records?
A: The purist, or someone with many records to deal with, should investigate the various wet/vacuum record cleaners from Nitty Gritty, VPI, or The Audio Advisor. Although the cost of these machines is high, users are uniformly positive about them.
A description of "archivally correct" storage and cleaning of sound recordings can be found at:
However, people on a budget or with more casual needs usually do fine washing records in the kitchen sink with dish soap and a clean sponge. Tap water in many areas can leave behind a "crunchy" mineral residue when it evaporates, so give a final rinse in distilled water--or at least be vigilant in shaking and blotting away any water droplets clinging to the disk.
- ---------
I use a VPI 16.5 with the VPI cleaning fluid, no alcohol added. This is the greatest sound system upgrade I've ever made -- not even a new stylus produces as much of a sonic improvement.
The Disc Doctor's products (http://discdoc.com/) are also highly recommended.
And a carbon fibre brush is an excellent investment as well:http://www.sleevetown.com/vinyl-cleaning.shtml
Lou
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:20:21 -0500
From: paul dean <epauldean@home.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) water, water everywhere
I appreciate the recipe, Larry! I have a VPI cleaner which is just
fantastic, and which I recommend. The black box. It REALLY makes a
difference in the sound of a typical thrift store 45.
The cleaning fluid for VPIs and Nitty Grittys are both pretty expensive;
I've heard from people who always cut it with distilled water. But my point
is . . . does anyone know what's in the "real" juice?
And are there any other recipes out there?
thanks,
paul dean
on 10/23/01 9:16 PM, Larry Usselman at lju@pa.net wrote:
> I've been using a mixture of 2/3 distilled water, 1/3 isopropyl alcohol,
> and a couple of drops of dish detergent as the cleaning fluid in a Nitty
> Gritty record cleaning machine. I figure as long as I've invested the money
> in the machine and take the time to clean any newly-arrived vinyl, I might
> as well spend another penny or two and use the distilled H2O.
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:57:31 -0400
From: lousmith@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) water, water everywhere
paul dean <epauldean@home.com> wrote:
> The cleaning fluid for VPIs and Nitty Grittys are both pretty expensive;
I've heard from people who always cut it with distilled water. But my point
is . . . does anyone know what's in the "real" juice?
And are there any other recipes out there?
- -----------
You want to go to:http://www.laventure.net/tourist/pvx.htm
and order this issue of Primyl Vinyl:VOL 2 #1 - Do It Yourself vacuum record cleaning machines under $50./ Ten Home brew cleaning formulas
Essentially, cleaning fluids include distilled water, oil soluble surfactants and water soluble surfactants to dissolve oil, grease and dirt. There's a tendency now to stay away from alcohol, which can leach out crucial components of the vinyl's structure.
Here's what one archive recommends:
The Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) recommends the use of nonionic, ethelyne oxide condensates surfactants to clean sound recordings. The CCI does not foresee long-term problems associated with the use of nonionic surfactants such as Tergitol. Tergitol 15-S-3 is an oil soluble surfactant and 15-S-9 is a water soluble surfactant. Combined they remove a wide range of dirt and greases and can safely be used on sound recordings. Use 0.25 part of Tergitol 15-S-3 and 0.25 parts of Tergitol 15-S-9 per 100 parts of distilled water. (These products are available in small quantities from TALAS (Division of Technical Library Service Inc) 213 West 35th Street, New York, N.Y. (212) 465-8722. http://talasonline.com/) The recording must then be rinsed thoroughly with distilled water to eliminate any trace of detergent residue.
- -------
As you can see, it doesn't take a lot of the surfactant added to the distilled water in order to produce a safe and effective cleaner.
Lou
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:16:06 -0700
From: "basic hip" <basichip@home.com>
Subject: (exotica) water, water...how about "wet playing"?
sorry if this is a repeat...I don't think it went through the first time...
> This talk of tap vs distilled water made me think of some interesting info
I
> stumbled across awhile ago. Has anybody (in their right mind) tried this:
>
> How about "wet playing"?
>
> One option you might like to consider is "wet playing". The idea here is
to
> flood the LP with a suitable liquid while it is being played, in the hope
> that dirt which normally sits in the grooves (and will therefore be
tracked
> by the stylus) will be lifted into suspension and therefore will not
> influence the stylus.
> Other people have different views as to why wet playing works. There is a
> school of thought that it's not really anything to do with lifting dirt
into
> suspension, but rather that it alters the damping of the stylus and/or
> allows the stylus to aquaplane over minor imperfections.
>
> I should also report that some people state that wet playing actually
> damages the groove wall. The argument is as follows. When you play an LP,
> the (hard) diamond stylus deforms the (soft) vinyl groove. When played
> normally (ie. dry), the friction causes the vinyl to heat up, which allows
> it to deform and return to its original shape after a while. If, however,
> the LP is played wet, the fluid acts as a coolant which prevents the
> deformation, allowing the stylus instead to carve slivers of vinyl off the
> groove walls.
>
> Others have reported that wet playing can cause a kind of sludge (ie. the
> dirt from the LP suspended in the liquid) to accumulate on the stylus.
This
> would then dry and harden, be very difficult to clean off, and cause
> subsequent mistracking. I've not noticed this myself, but would guess that
> the scale of this problem would be affected by how dirty the LP is, the
> exact composition of the liquid used, and how highly polished the stylus
is.
>
> I have experimented with wet playing, and it does indeed reduce some (but
by
> no means all) forms of surface noise. There are a number of issues,
though:
>
> What liquid should be used? You certainly must not use tap water, as it is
> full of contaminents. Distilled water is the obvious base liquid, but it
is
> not a particularly good solvent, and so any dirt which is stuck to the
> grooves is unlikely to be lifted. Adding an amount of alcohol can help
> matters here, but it tends to evaporate off the LP surface before the side
> has finished playing; closing the turntable lid while playing may help
> reduce the evaporation rate.
> After playing an LP wet, the dirt in suspension drops back into the
grooves
> at very inconvenient places. This results in the surface noise being
> significantly increased if you subsequently play the record dry.
Therefore,
> after playing a record wet, you really need to continue to play it wet
> thereafter.
> The most successful wet-play method I've ever come across is a product
> called "Lencoclean", which tracks the LP like a second pickup arm,
applying
> the solution locally to just that part being played. I haven't used it for
> over 20 years now, but it is still available. Lenco have a website (in
> German), but it's a little difficult to navigate, and the last time I
> visited it I couldn't find Lencoclean mentioned anywhere. An online store
> that can supply Lencoclean is Conrad Electronics.
> I must point out that I have no authoritative knowledge about wet playing,
> but feel that if I discuss it at all, it is important to mention all the
> opinions of which I am aware.
>
> the URL to which this information comes can be found here:
Has anyone ever heard this, or tried it themselves?
Justin from OZ
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:57:31 -0400
From: lousmith@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) water, water everywhere
paul dean <epauldean@home.com> wrote:
> The cleaning fluid for VPIs and Nitty Grittys are both pretty expensive;
I've heard from people who always cut it with distilled water. But my point
is . . . does anyone know what's in the "real" juice?
And are there any other recipes out there?
- -----------
You want to go to:http://www.laventure.net/tourist/pvx.htm
and order this issue of Primyl Vinyl:VOL 2 #1 - Do It Yourself vacuum record cleaning machines under $50./ Ten Home brew cleaning formulas
Essentially, cleaning fluids include distilled water, oil soluble surfactants and water soluble surfactants to dissolve oil, grease and dirt. There's a tendency now to stay away from alcohol, which can leach out crucial components of the vinyl's structure.
Here's what one archive recommends:
The Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) recommends the use of nonionic, ethelyne oxide condensates surfactants to clean sound recordings. The CCI does not foresee long-term problems associated with the use of nonionic surfactants such as Tergitol. Tergitol 15-S-3 is an oil soluble surfactant and 15-S-9 is a water soluble surfactant. Combined they remove a wide range of dirt and greases and can safely be used on sound recordings. Use 0.25 part of Tergitol 15-S-3 and 0.25 parts of Tergitol 15-S-9 per 100 parts of distilled water. (These products are available in small quantities from TALAS (Division of Technical Library Service Inc) 213 West 35th Street, New York, N.Y. (212) 465-8722. http://talasonline.com/) The recording must then be rinsed thoroughly with distilled water to eliminate any trace of detergent residue.
- -------
As you can see, it doesn't take a lot of the surfactant added to the distilled water in order to produce a safe and effective cleaner.
Lou
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:07:27 +1000
From: Philip Jackson <pdj@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Halloween
on 24/10/01 8:15 PM, G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk at G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote:
> Now I've got suitable records from more or less all genres, but I'm lacking
> suitable songs from loungier acts so any suggestions there would be
> appreciated (I ran out of ideas at Sinatra's Witchcraft - thats not too
> good, is it?).
There's a great Sheldon Allman track available as a free download from
emusic.com at the moment "These Goulish Things Behind Me Are You".
I have another take on "Ghoulish Things" by Fay De Witt (very loungey) which
I could put up as an mp3 if any one wants it.
Philip
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:30:06 +1000
From: Philip Jackson <pdj@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Halloween
on 25/10/01 5:07 PM, Philip Jackson at pdj@mpx.com.au wrote:
> I have another take on "Ghoulish Things" by Fay De Witt (very loungey) which
> I could put up as an mp3 if any one wants it.
I've put the track up for anyone who wants it so go grab it before
halloween.
It's at http://www.fidelitarium.com/oddments/
- --
ghoulish.mp3
2mb Mono 80kps.
Philip
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:08:24 +0100
From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk
Subject: RE: (exotica) Halloween
Thanks Philip, sounds good. Who I s Fay de Witt? I've never heard of her.
