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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:05:42 -0800
From: Jack <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) EkLeCTronNIcs

The New Jean Jacques Perrey AB-SO-LUTE-LY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!

Just came on KFJC-FM so tune your pewters to http://www.kfjc.org and rock
on kids!

J



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:53:27 -0400
From: "Ray Coffey"<[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) 2 cents

> Enoch Light and the Brass Menagerie
> (only thing of interest here is the cover:

Oh I don't know... Blowin' in the Wind, and even Favorite Things are
appealing to my ears.

Moog records have been extremely pricey everywhere it seems.
I saw a Claude Denjean  --MOOG!-- listed for 40.
And I've never seen one in a thrift yet, even years ago.
Now perhaps their known resale value and the easily spotted word "moog" on
a cover causes them to be plucked instantly or put aside.

Please... (off list)
Suggestions for not-to-be-missed sites in the Orlando or Tallahassee,
Florida regions?

I anticipate a Kennedy Space Center visit.  The real thing.
I have an aversion to Disney, but if the Tiki Room is too good to be
missed, I'll face it.


Ray




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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:59:15 -0800
From: Jack <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Latest Score Lists

Martin Denny-Exotic Moog

Les Baxter-Moog Rock

Dave Vorhaus-Video/Computer Game Library Music (Artist from Electronic Toys
CD)

Yvette Mimieux-Spoken Word w/ Ali Akbar Khan - Flowers of Evil

Wendy Carlos-Beauty In The Beast;
Kind of like an Electronic super percussive Tak Shindo meets Les Baxter's
OST to Dunwich Horror.  Very VERY good:-)

Mort Garson-Electric Lucifer
Un-Be-Lieve-A-Ble

Mel Kaiser -Sci Fi Outer Space Electronic Sound Effects (Folkways, dated 1959)

The Addicts Sing

More llllllllllllater,
Jack



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:07:51 -0800
From: Jack <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mixed bag of current spins...

Bongo Session by Mike Pacheco--Afro-Cuban style jazz, heavy on bongos
(naturally) and with a great cover that looks like it came right out of
_Downbeat_. On the Tampa label. Is this a reissue (or original) of  Tampa's
"Bongo Date"? If memory serves me, Pacheco was the bongo man on the I Want
to Live soundtrack. Someone who knows what they're talking about feel free
to correct me. There's a drawing of Pacheco on the cover, and I think he's
wearing Jack Diamond's glasses. ^_-

Mike Pacheco only made 3 records and no, that is not a reissue.
A reissue would be on the Interlude label

They all came out in 1958 and are Bongo Date, Bongo Skins and Bongo Session,
all on Tampa and yes! you are correct, he is the bongo player in "I want to
live"
when "Babs" says "Put a head onnit Manny" he indeed does put a head on it:-)
They can't be my glasses Jessica dear, I'm wearin' my glasses @:-O
Jack




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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:58:00 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent-ish Finds etc.

> Does anyone know of a list for spoken/comedy record collectors? I've
> been picking up tons of these, but I'm a bit reluctant to start
> talking about them here, as they might be straying too far off-topic
> for some people.

I would love to hear about / Discuss such things.

I suppose a new list could be established if it begins to
become a distraction. It is actually quite on-topic by my estimation.
Especially the spoken word stuff. Two words: Ken Nordine.

Besides, this would give me the opportuntiy to brag about my "Spiro
Agnew Speaks" record. HoooooEEEE!!


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:08:48 -0500
From: NATHAN MINER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Enoch (Yawn) Light

Okay, since we've touched on 'ol Enoch again.....

You know, those Percussion albums are pretty pathetic when ya think
about it.  Sure, the very first time you hear these songs done in the
"percussion realm" it's funky and interesting, but the appeal wears thin
real quick.

The arrangements are pedestrian and B-O-R-I-N-G.  Now some of the
rip-off percussion albums do contain fascinating tracks, but on the whole,
this is a stale sub-genre.

There.  I feel better.

- - Nate


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:16:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Kerry Keane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) 2 cents

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Ray Coffey wrote:

> Moog records have been extremely pricey everywhere it seems.
> I saw a Claude Denjean  --MOOG!-- listed for 40.
> And I've never seen one in a thrift yet, even years ago.
> Now perhaps their known resale value and the easily spotted word "moog" on
> a cover causes them to be plucked instantly or put aside.

I own a buttload of moog, but I bought all of it when
I was living in Lincoln, Nebraska for five years.
I got Exotic Moog, Happy Moog, Age of Electronicus,
Copper Plated Electronic Circuit (which was going
for a fortune at dustygroove), both Switched On
Bacharachs etc, etc, all at the local Goodwill.

I'm thinking that one needs to look in those smaller
towns, although I have had some luck here in Chicago,
albeit only in skid row neighborhoods.  Basically
you have to go some place where no hipsters would
venture.

My family lives in northwest Indiana which is near
Chicago, and I'm always finding stuff when I go
down there.  Maybe things are tougher on the coasts...

I've got this great book called _The Rag Street Journal_
that lists thrift stores all over the U.S. and Canada.
I hope to take it with me on my next road trip.


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:29:44 -1000
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Funk)
Subject: (exotica) Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach

Just thought I'd mention this CD: "Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach"

It's sort of a "tribute" 2 CD album on John Zorn's Tazdik (sp?) label, with
covers of all your favorite Burt songs by Zorn's experimental/rock/jazz
buddies. (John Zorn produced but doesn't perform on any tracks... that may
be a plus or minus depending..)

Anyway, it's really cool and acutally the "arrangements" are very
respectful of the original songs. Only a few times does it veer of into the
pointless chaotic strange noise and sounds realm. On the whole it's
thoroughly listenable, clever, tuneful, and very much in the Bacharach
spirit.

Fans of Bacharach or Zorn or both (like me) have to have this one.

- - Steve




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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:58:53 -0700
From: "Mark Conklin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Dusty Groove (Re: I'm Rich)

>So, I went over to Dustygroove last weekend.
>I know, I blather about Dustygroove a lot.
>Well, this was the first chance I had to check
>out the location.  Now, I'm sorry but I
>have to slam them regarding their used vinyl.

No disrespect, but that is a pretty cheap shot. Dusty Groove has come
through with some real gems for me and many of the list members (at decent
prices) and it sounds like they've come through for you a few times too. I'm
sure these prices weren't just based on a random figure - they're smarter
than that. What's more, I'm sure if you told them that you thought something
was over-priced they would accommodate you. At the very least, they would
tell you why it was priced that way.

Just because you found the same records at a thrift store for loads cheaper,
is a terrible reason to "slam" them. I bought Martin Denny's 'Exotica' for
10 cent's (mint) at a hospital rummage sale. It doesn't mean that it wasn't
worth more than that, and I would never bad mouth any store because they are
selling it for more than I paid for it.

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:31:30 +-200
From: Shangri-la <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Campbell/Webb

I found a Glenn Campbell does Jimmy Webb record at a sale tonight. The =
bits I've listened to sounds great. It's 1974 and most country from this =
era has strings and brass. I just love this sound...

Cha cha charl


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:52:21 PST
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) 2 cents

Ray Coffey wrote:

>Oh I don't know... Blowin' in the Wind, and even Favorite Things are
>appealing to my ears.

To be fair, I haven't given a close listen yet... I've sort of become
jaded to Enoch Light. With the exception of Spaced Out... they all start
to resemble Ramones lps.
.
>Moog records have been extremely pricey everywhere it seems.
>I saw a Claude Denjean  --MOOG!-- listed for 40.

I'm gathering these things at very marginal cost mainly because I'm
prowling shops in the hinterlands. I've seen the same lps in worse
condition for comparatively outrageous $ in the local urban hubs.

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:12:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Kerry Keane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dusty Groove (Re: I'm Rich)

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Mark Conklin wrote:

>
> No disrespect, but that is a pretty cheap shot. Dusty Groove has come
> through with some real gems for me and many of the list members (at decent
> prices) and it sounds like they've come through for you a few times too.

Well, they've only come through for me on the reissue side of
things, which I feel they are very good at.  Don't get me wrong -
they fill a big hole in the market.  I went to the actual store,
though, and their used vinyl section just wasn't up to snuff.
We have plenty of used vinyl stores that sell the same records,
only at much better prices: Hi-Fi, Second Hand Tunes.  Reckless
has a "lounge" section that is better and cheaper than dustygroove.

> I'm
> sure these prices weren't just based on a random figure - they're smarter
> than that. What's more, I'm sure if you told them that you thought something
> was over-priced they would accommodate you. At the very least, they would
> tell you why it was priced that way.
>

They are smart when it comes to soul, jazz and Latin grooves,
but this area just isn't their forte, and I believe they're
only carrying this stuff because it's "cool" now.
Believe me, I know the actual worth of some of this stuff -
it was total crap.  They did not have a single decent lounge
record in the pile. I suppose if they make a good buck off it,
it's only because some trendy fools are willing to pay those
prices.  I had no need to complain to them about the prices,
because I don't pay those prices for records.  That would take all the
fun out of it for me - it's the thrill of the score that motivates me.


> Just because you found the same records at a thrift store for loads cheaper,
> is a terrible reason to "slam" them. I bought Martin Denny's 'Exotica' for
> 10 cent's (mint) at a hospital rummage sale. It doesn't mean that it wasn't
> worth more than that, and I would never bad mouth any store because they are
> selling it for more than I paid for it.


My point was that the records they were inflating were not
very good and not worth very much at all.  I also pointed
out that other stores, namely Reckless, in the area were
selling the same records for about $10.

Don't take it so personally.  I was just making an
observation.



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:45:19 -0800
From: Jack <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Everyone has stories

Everyone has those stories of scoring killer stuff for next to nothing no
matter what it is.

1930/50's rayon XL hawaiin shirts, rekkids, motorcycles, cars, books, folk
art,
paintings, sculptures, furniture, whatever.

It doesn't mean that because someone else has the same type of item for
sale for A LOT MORE MONEY, that they are a thief or a rip off or whatever
judgement you may lay on them

I know that *most* people don't think this way because most people work for
THE MAN

BUT the reality is that, that person is in business and they are in
business to make money, so they can simply eat and survive and such.

They don't live extravagant lives

They don't work for THE MAN who writes them a check and gives them 80%
medical/dental/visual health benefits with a 2 week paid vacation every
year with 5 sick days off every 6 months

They work for themselves and they work hard at whatever it is that they do
instead of making bombs for NASA or creating Chemicals to destroy the earth
at an even faster rate than it is being destroyed at.
Or they work for record labels who couldn't care less about anything at all
except money and replying to "you" from a letter you may have sent them
does not get a reply because they don't want to spend 32 cents for a stamp
and a piece of paper and an envelope is too much for them to "waste" for a
reply

I see many "signatures" that state many high level positions of jobs held
from people on this list and more than not a few of you all work for the
man and get your check and your benefits

So quit f*****' bitchin' and moaning about how X is a rip off for charging
so much for X record and get a life, whomever you may be

Jack



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:25:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Kerry Keane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) a clarification

Look....


when I said that I was going to slam dustygroove, I meant that
somewhat facetiously, because I do respect them.

THE POINT WAS THAT THESE RECORDS WERE NOT KILLER SCORES
AT ANY PRICE!!!!  Have I made it clear enough yet,
because it doesn't seem that my point was understood.
This wasn't some bullshit rant about "the man" or "greed",
OKAY??

I don't blame them for charging a lot of money for a good
record.  And I suppose a lot of people would sell crap
records for a lot of money as long as some fool is willing
to pay it.  Why not just take the money. Sure, whatever.

I do think that I am perfectly entitled, however, to speculate
who would buy a crap orchestral record for $40.  I suppose
anyone who does pay that amount deserves to pay it.  I,
for one, am not that foolish, and I wasn't "complaining".
If anything, I was quite amused, in fact, I could sell
my record collection for a pretty penny.

I'm sorry to waste all of your time with these rants,
I didn't want this to explode into some flame war.
I just thought some of you would like to hear about the
dustygroove store, which in my opinion, is still not
very good compared to the mail order.

Sorry.


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:38:30 -0800
From: Jack <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) a clarification

I am certainl;y not the last word on ANY record.

True, I do know a lot about weird and off the beaten path type o' sounds
AND I still don't know S***.

Records that I truly thought were horrible, people have screamed at me
saying they would pay 50 bucks for it.

Who am I to deny some one that, I ask you ?

I have no idea why people want what they want and even more so why they
want to
pay what they offer and I truly feel the same applies to just about
everyone else.

Who are we to question someone else's wants and desires ?

How can I read someone's mind and thoughts as to why they want X record and
will pay X for it ?

I don't know and even more importantly, I don't care.
It's not my job to care

I'm just glad when I can come up with that thing for them
and they are a happy boy or girl:)

That's all that really matters, isn't it ? That's all that matters to me
anyway

Jack



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:46:01 -0500
From: Jessica Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Pacheco one more time

>Bongo Session by Mike Pacheco--Afro-Cuban style jazz, heavy on bongos

>Mike Pacheco only made 3 records and no, that is not a reissue.
>A reissue would be on the Interlude label

>They all came out in 1958 and are Bongo Date, Bongo Skins and Bongo Session,
>all on Tampa

The liner notes to "Bongo Session" mention one more album, "Bongo Bop"
(featuring Carl Perkins? _the_ Carl Perkins?!). Does this exist, or did
someone at Tampa get the titles messed up? >_<

thanks for the space, Jessica ^_^



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:36:59 -0700
From: Eb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: TJ

>"Great Operatic Works Tijuana Style" (Boulevard)
>
>Hoo, hoo! I've begun to get more and more fascinated by these
>classical perversion albums... there are some extreme gobsmakers out
>there (watch out for Ken Moule's "Tchiakowsky Beat!", The Len Hunter
>Collection's "Swing with Strauss" or Slip Fingers O'Reilly (yeah,
>right) doing his classical "Honky Tonking"). In this case the
>arrangements are pretty duff, but it still sends me spiralling off the
>edge (down to the world where "Ros At The Opera" lives).

Oh man! Laughing out loud at the thought of this. :)

Anyone own a couple of the later Mrs. Miller records (post-"Greatest Hits")
and care to tape them for me?

Eb

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:38:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Kerry Keane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: TJ

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Eb wrote:

> Oh man! Laughing out loud at the thought of this. :)
>
> Anyone own a couple of the later Mrs. Miller records (post-"Greatest Hits")
> and care to tape them for me?

Sorry, can't help you there, but that reminds me.
Has anyone seen the "art of the mix" website?

http://www.artofthemix.org

Looks like a good idea, but I was pissed that
there's no exotica/lounge or just plain weird vinyl
genre on the page.

Gee, Eb, maybe you could meet your match here.
Submit a tape and demand Mrs. Miller in return!

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:25:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Expresso Bongo

The classic UK teen exploitation flick, _Expresso Bongo_ has recently been
released on video.  Worth checking out for a number of reasons: (1) conflates
beatniks, juvenile delinquents and a tiki *cafe*; (2) spot instances of
plagiarism where _Absolute Beginers_ stole shamelessly from this predecessor
(even Bowie's haido in _AB_ was stolen; (3) scenes of the (quite young)
Shadows playing, both by themselves and backing Cliff Richard, (4) cool crime
jazzy soundtrack over the opening credits.

Also of note - Ann Margaret's _Kitten With a Whip_ has been rereleased.  Ann
is a bad girl and that is all you need to know.


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:55:15 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) 2 cents

it started with:

<<Moog records have been extremely pricey everywhere it seems...And I've never
seen one in a thrift yet, even years ago.>>

Here in San Francisco - where the AVERAGE residential rental is $1600 and a
two bedroom, average, everyday house starts at $300K , you are wasting your
time going to a thrift store.  don't bother.  you end up buying a bunch of
crap you never listen to.

another writes:

<< I'm gathering these things at very marginal cost mainly because I'm
 prowling shops in the hinterlands.>>

i guess if you live in these areas or have the time, good for you.  but for me
to drive to Fresno and Lodi to research thrifts stores and visit each one all
in the name of saving money would be just plain stupid.

another writes:

<<My family lives in northwest Indiana which is near Chicago, and I'm always
finding stuff when I go down there.  Maybe things are tougher on the
coasts...>>

you got dat right.  every moog LP i have i've cheerfully paid collector's
prices for.  i had no choice.  I've done my share of looking, "thrifting",
flea markets, blah blah blah.  the fact is, if you want them, you cough up the
bucks or find something else to listen to.

as it turns out, i treasure those albums far more than the scores of five
dollar LP's i've bought because they were cheap BUT i never listen to.  there
are still a number of "wants" i can't find at ANY price - can't find them AT
ALL.  Traveling the bay area and looking for a needle in a haystack is not an
option for me anymore.  neither is developing eyestrain browsing through 1/32"
text in Goldmine.  so i let someone else do it and pay for their time.

and dear Jessica said:

<<Five bucks was a little out of my price range
for this one, but last time I went to the used book store where I go record
hunting twice a year, it had finally been marked down to a quarter.>>

to me, this is as outrageous as $40 dollar records and thousand-dollar-a-month
studios (which you are lucky to get, by the way) must sound to many of you!

that's how it is in san francisco.






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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:18:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Everyone has stories

In a message dated 98-02-25 21:42:36 EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< I see many "signatures" that state many high level positions of jobs held
 from people on this list and more than not a few of you all work for the
 man and get your check and your benefits

 So quit f*****' bitchin' and moaning about how X is a rip off for charging
 so much for X record and get a life, whomever you may be
  >>

You know what?!  For someone like me who doesn't have the TIME to go to
thrifts looking for that 50-cent album (got knows how long and how many
hundreds of thrift stores I'd have to comb to find that beloved Pete Rugulo
album or the "Staccato" soundtrack-), these guys writing on the list saying
this or that was overpriced - to me, they just sound like big braggers!  Hell,
I can't relate to their "finds" lists they post!  I am therefore happy to
cruise the record search services on the web and make it to the once a month
record swap meet where I pay anywhere from $5 to $20 for something I really
want (and it is in mint or near mint condition and I appreciate the fact that
I don't have to dig through crappy records with spit wads attached or gum on
them).  So there!

- - Michele
Flipside Fanzine


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:44:30 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Everyone has stories

amen michele!

and i will add:  if i was going to plop down $30 for an import CD reissue,
why wouldn't i pay that amount for a mint copy of the original on vinyl?!
that's not to say i haven't scored-top dollar shit for FREE at times...  it
all balances out...

 -kini







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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:16:45 PST
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) 2 cents

>
>it started with:
>
><<Moog records have been extremely pricey everywhere it seems...And
I've never
>seen one in a thrift yet, even years ago.>>
>

>
>another writes:
>
><< I'm gathering these things at very marginal cost mainly because I'm
> prowling shops in the hinterlands.>>
>
>i guess if you live in these areas or have the time, good for you.  but
for me
>to drive to Fresno and Lodi to research thrifts stores and visit each
one all
>in the name of saving money would be just plain stupid.
>

Which, of course, was my point. I spoke of comparatively outrageous
prices. Whenever you go to a thrift shop you know you're not paying what
something's worth: you know that you are getting it for a song. Half the
fun, for me, is looking to see what I find. If I want something
specific, I don't waste my time, I pay. I assume even the most strident
anemone can relate to that.

BW

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:08:52 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Lou Smith)
Subject: (exotica) fwd: NPR 2/26,Moondog!

======================================================================
Thur. 2/26/98
4-7p
NPR's All Things Considered...
Moondog!

For years, he lived on the streets of New York, playing instruments he
built himself.
At the same time, Igor Stravinsky called him an important composer.

We'll hear about the contradictory life and career of the musician known
simply as Moondog...
on NPR's All Things Considered.
========================================================================
                    I wish I were an Oscar
                    film score nominee !

Weekend Edition
Sundays
8-10am

Five part series:
Date(s): March 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th

               Preview of dramatic film scores
               nominated for Academy Awards to air on
               Weekend Edition/Sundays
               An insider's appreciation of film music

Weekend Edition Sunday with Liane Hansen, will preview the dramatic film
scores that have been nominated to receive an Oscar at the Academy
Awards to be presented March 23rd.

This series of music explanations will air during Weekend Edition Sunday
on March 1, 8, 15, 22.

Then a recap for the winners and losers will be heard March 29th.

Joining host Liane Hansen to discuss the scores is NPR producer and film
music expert Andy Trudeau. In previous years Trudeau has won high marks
from listeners for his acute analysis of each of the nominated scores
and his trademark down-to-earth delivery.

Able to tease apart the music to reveal its strengths (and
shortcomings), Trudeau and Liane Hansen partner to give film buffs and
casual listeners alike an insider's appreciation for each of the
nominated scores.
============================================================
ATC (weekdays)                     [e-mail]
[ATTENTION:information about music played during ATC is available on the
web. The address is http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/music/]
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NPR
http://www.npr.org
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This American Life
Website with RealAudio files of every TAL show:
<http://www.kcrw.org>
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:49:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Morning becomes exotica

If you have RealAudio, you may want to visit the Morning Becomes Eclectic
site. There are over 300 RA concerts available on-line, including shows with
Burt Bacharach, Combustible Edison, Philip Glass and Stereolab.

<http://www.liveconcerts.com/harddrive/kcrw/>

- --Lou




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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:34:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Gum, Stories and Spit Wads - Oh, and records too!

In a message dated 98-02-26 04:24:33 EST, you write:

<< I am therefore happy to
 cruise the record search services on the web and make it to the once a month
 record swap meet where I pay anywhere from $5 to $20 for something I really
 want (and it is in mint or near mint condition and I appreciate the fact that
 I don't have to dig through crappy records with spit wads attached or gum on
 them).  So there! >>

I agree with Michele (the spit wad and gum part was funny).  I do hit the
thrifts from time to time but I find it sometimes (most times) reasonable to
pay someone else a small (usually) fee to search for me.  Most of the record
vendors are reasonable and if they are not it usually cuts their throat.  A
careful search of a net vendor's inventory will usually find what I need.  A
little friendly (and courteous) haggling and I got what I want.  This is not
to say that I do not enjoy finding the occasional 50 cent record at Goodwill.
But if I really want it, 5 to 20 dollars is not unreasonable to pay.

On the subject of Michele's post:  I owe a great debt to her because she found
me some truely excellent Martin Denny abums at a large flea market she goes to
in Pasadena.  About 15.00 bucks a pop and well worth it.  Just as Scamps re-
issues are worth the 15.00 a pop for them.  Point is if I would have waited to
find them in a record bin I would still be looking! (and then there is the
gum/spit wad issue).

Once again I remind everyone that I collect CD's, LP's and 78's (ain't into 8
tracks yet) so I am not biased towards one medium.  For those who love the
search - keep searching.  For those how like the convinience - keep buying
retail.  Keep the discussion friendly because wether it Denny on CD or Vinyl
it's still Denny dammit. (Can you tell who my idol is?!?##?!?)

Robert (wether in the groove of listening to 0's and 1's)


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:53:42 PST
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Shorty Rogers & Oz

Does anyone know anything about a Shorty Rogers/Giants lp covering songs
from The Wizard of Oz (I don't have the exact title, but the cover has a
seated Shorty surrounded by dancing cartoon Oz characters)? I like his
Afro-Cuban stuff, but do not care much for Where the Four Winds Blow...
the extent of my Rogers familiarity at this point.

Thanks,

Waugh

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:46:28 +0000
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Everyone has stories

Jack wrote:
>
> Everyone has those stories of scoring killer stuff for next to nothing no
> matter what it is.

> It doesn't mean that because someone else has the same type of item for
> sale for A LOT MORE MONEY, that they are a thief or a rip off or whatever
> judgement you may lay on them
>
> So quit f*****' bitchin' and moaning about how X is a rip off for charging
> so much for X record and get a life, whomever you may be
>
> Jack

Whew! I think a nerve has been struck. I guess I'd better clarify my
previous
statement, and hopefully re-frame some of the other comments.

What Jack says is quite true - I've been to the Diamond pad, and he
lives quite
simply: surrounded by rekkids and groovy art artifacts and overstuffed
ashtrays.

I NEVER give Jack a hard time about prices because HE IS *KEENLY* AWARE
OF THE VALUE OF
COLLECTIBLE VINYL, and prices accordingly because he DOES NOT SELL CRAP.
His grading is
E X T R E M E L Y strict. Jack deserves the prices he gets, and he knows
it.

Now, on the other hand, you have the dealers who could not care less
about the condition
of a record, and likely don't even understand why it's some people want
it. They know the Beatles/Elvis market, and that's it.There is a local
dealer with outrageously high prices - AND IT"S JUNK!!! If it looks
exotic or is mentioned in the index of the RE/Search incredibly strange
books, It's automatically $15.00 or more.He won't deal on prices (much)
but has 50% off sales from time to time (when he's hard up for
cash).I've seen Esquivel records there for $50.00 in damn-near
unplayable condition.

I don't know how these guys live, because I can't imagine anyone falling
for that guff twice. It's
not like they are criminals waiting to fleece the unsuspecting... I
think in many cases it's
laziness or disinterest. It's much easier to set arbitrarily high
prices. Grading records
and looking up catalog numbers and pricing differently for reissues is
all a lot of hard work,
and as Jack pointed out, the return is not that too-terribly great.

It's true that you can find lots of KILLER stuff at thrift stores and
such. I LOVE to troll
these places. But serendipity will only get me so far. When I want a
particular record in minty-mint condition, I turn to the handful of
reputable dealers who will charge me through the nose for their skill
and patience and CONNECTIONS.


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:23:34 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Everyone has stories...here's mine.

>I NEVER give Jack a hard time about prices because HE IS *KEENLY* AWARE
>OF THE VALUE OF
>COLLECTIBLE VINYL, and prices accordingly because he DOES NOT SELL CRAP.
>His grading is
>E X T R E M E L Y strict. Jack deserves the prices he gets, and he knows
>it.


And I'm living proof.  I am sitting here looking at a record that I just
bought from him and it is everything he said it would be and it got here
FAST (I am on the other coast).

With no prompting or goading from anyone, Mr. Diamond did what he said he'd
do and I am a happy chappy.

Hope you ai not embarrassed by public thankyou's, Jack, but thank you!

Leaving (this note) on a je't aime,
Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:41:55 -0800
From: Elaine Weddle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Shorty Rogers & Oz

There is a complete listing of the tracks and even a picture of the album
cover at the following website:

<http://www.book.uci.edu/Jazz/CDLists/ShortyRogers_CDL.html>

Boy, someone at UC Irvine really did their homework!  A very nice list.

back to lurking,

Elaine

>Subject: (exotica) Shorty Rogers & Oz
>Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:53:42 PST
>
>
>Does anyone know anything about a Shorty Rogers/Giants lp covering songs
>from The Wizard of Oz
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:59:24 -0500
From: Jessica Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Everyone has stories

Yeah, everyone has stories. Even bottom feeders like me. :( It really hurts
me to see that some list members seem to think I post lists of what I've
found just to brag. All I try to do is let people know what is out there. Is
it findable, and does it sound good?

>You know what?!  For someone like me who doesn't have the TIME to go to
>thrifts looking for that 50-cent album (got knows how long and how many
>hundreds of thrift stores I'd have to comb to find that beloved Pete Rugulo
>album or the "Staccato" soundtrack-), these guys writing on the list saying
>this or that was overpriced - to me, they just sound like big braggers!  Hell,
>I can't relate to their "finds" lists they post!

I have plenty of time and little or no money. But I've never raked people
who can dish out the clams for mint condition copies of great records over
the coals. Yet I still feel like I'm resented for buying stuff cheap. I
mean, am I supposed to sit on my hands and never set foot in a flea market
because the list members in California can't find anything _there_? :(

>I don't have to dig through crappy records with spit wads attached or gum on
>them).  So there!

I really take this as a personal attack. I'm so upset my hands are shaking.
If my posts cause this much trouble, I just won't write anything to the list
anymore. I don't like to be accused of being a record waving fangirl. If I
wanted to prance around with good records stapled to my chest I'd take a
dance class.

Excuse me, I have to go scrape some gum off my records now.

Thanks for the space, Jessica :(



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