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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:15:31 +0100 (CET)



citerar Brian <[e-mail]>:

>>I hope I can find more albums
>> that will be equally interesting (and profitable!)

> Is it just me or does the word 'asshole' spring to mind??? All you
Ebay
> traders will surely
> take note of name and address and act accordingly in future!
>
> Brian

Whats new? This is what the situation for used LPs looks like. It is
still a cheap way of getting a piece of art. Look at all other
antiques, be lucky you dont collect first editions or paintings from
1500. I would not have posted that though, if I were the seller, but
that may be the look of some lurkers. Makes it clear something is best
kept secret. No more posts on notsowellknown gems! I feel sorry for
those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a buisness. But
I cant keep myself away from this music anyway. I have even tried
selling myself, and felt "GREED".

Magnus

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lps for life?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:32:20 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> I read somewhere that LPs will function in 100 years, CDs will function
> in 30 years, CDrs will function in 10 years, can someone verify this?

No, but I will in about 50 years.


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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:32:20 -0500


OK...I guess I now know what kind of people are on this list. Is this
typical or is this just a couple of ill-mannered individuals? I seem to have
made an incorrect assumption that basic social standards such as common
courtesy and respect for individuals was normal behavior. My eBay activity
has been entertaining, educational and yes, here's that dirty word again,
PROFITABLE!  So shoot me already. I see no need to apologize for it. I
assume you must be independently wealthy and have never had the need to
supplement your income? Congratulations!

Let me explain auctions to you...I don't establish the  price, the buyers
do! If you've got a problem with that then please don't participate in them.


Nice, friendly group you've got here...

Larry Usselman (snargle)

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:09 PM

"Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> As the seller of the aforementioned "Introspection IV" I'd like to offer
> my thanks to these three gentlemen for their bids. I haven't posted here
> before, but I've enjoyed lurking and reading the list for several months
> and I've learned a lot about this musical style. I'm primarily a
> dealer/reseller on eBay, but I do enjoy listening to much of the exotica
vinyl that passes
> through my hands and have become somewhat of a fan.
> Thanks again for the enthusiastic bidding. I hope I can find more albums
> that will be equally interesting (and profitable!)
Is it just me or does the word 'asshole' spring to mind??? All you Ebay
traders will surely
take note of name and address and act accordingly in future!

Brian


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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:00:09 -0500




> From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:07:08 -0600
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
>
>
> I feel so damn lucky. Went for some BBQ at a nearby small town, detoured
> for record hunting at the local antiquaries and there it was: White
> Goddess, Frank Hunter's uber-exotica LP on Kapp. WG has come up here from
> time to time, usually when we talk about Holy Grails, overlooked exotica
> classics, or ondiolines and bazimbas. Now I get why--sublimely sexy and
> downy as a cloud.
>
> Am mystified though: I thought Kapp was a budget label, albeit not as low
> rent as Modern, Somerset, Tops, etc. Kapp brings to mind marching bands
> slogging through covers of show tunes. Am I wrong here? How did an LP this
> fabu end up on this label? Was WG a re-release from an exotica powerhouse
> such as Liberty?   Or was it a divine exception in Kapp's catalog? Are
> there other worthies on Kapp?
>
> Now the killah. Guess what I paid: $1. The vinyl is, hmm, how about
> "well-played"? Still...good stuff is out there and sometimes cheap if you
> just keep looking.
>
> Mimi afloat in a mist of Gorongoza
>
 This is one of the reasons I'm on this list--it gives me hope.  I've wanted
White Goddess ever since I heard a track from it on King Kini's site several
years ago (Kini's got to take the "Temporarily Out of Order" signs off of
his playlist page--they're never comin' back up).  Thanks go out to Darrell
for playing a track from it on last week's show.
    I never thought of Kapp as being a budget label.  I don't collect them,
by any means, but as far as I know all of Roger Williams albums were on
Kapp, and Kapp had a fairly nice "high-end" series (Gold Medallion) with the
requisite brass and percussion complement.  There's a swinging album by Al
Caiola et al on that label (if I'm not mistaken, a smidgen of doubt creeps
in as I write) called "My Fair Lady on Fire" with spiced-up versions of the
musical's numbers.

Clayton



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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 06:18:26 -0800 (PST)


What?

We are all complicit in the hiked up prices we gripe
about and pay. What's the big deal about the guy
turning a profit on us compulsively competitive
bidders? Or thanking us for the fact? Was there some
evil or aristocratic condescension in his reply that I
missed? His note read as basically friendly if not, to
use another name caller's term, "passionate"
introduction. Maybe it's just me, but that's ok.


--- Colleen Pyles <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >!)
> Is it just me or does the word 'asshole' spring to
> mind???

> Actually Brian, I thought "pretentious fop", but
> "asshole" works also.
> Colleen



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From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 06:35:59 -0800





>Are
>there other worthies on Kapp?

YESS!! Both of my Silver Apples records are on Kapp. They werent a budget
label in my opinion. My Frank Hunter-White Goddess plays and sounds as great
as the day it was made, congrats on that score!! it is indeed in the Top 10
in my exotica collection.

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Japanese 6Ts Group Sounds
Date: 01 Mar 2001 06:43:47 -0800 (PST)


Right you are, sir. I sheepishly concur. I think I
just regurgitated some of that canned sensibility they
used to feed us in school. I'm curious about Cambodia
Rocks also.... I enjoy reading their product
description... reminds me of the conversations my jr
high pals from Hell's Kitchen and I used to have.

And, as you might guess, Norton is the only catalog I
can't be without.


--- Giovanni Berti <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
> Tasteless? Ben, their title is 80% the reason why I
> love to spend my
> money on them!
> They are:


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:03:40 EST


I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all that happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is sneaky and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm).  And I did it in the open you sneaky fuck!.....AND you don't know jack about this list other than the fact that you can pick a few dollars off it...JB/had to draw a line on that one


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From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 07:11:31 -0800


<<It is still a cheap way of getting a piece of art. Look at all other
antiques, be lucky you dont collect first editions or paintings from
1500.>>

You don't need to go back that far.  How about tv and movie tie-in Corgi
Toys, GI Joes, Nutty Mads or any of the other toys most of us played with
from the 60's?  Or baseball cards and comic books?  Records prices are a
bargin!

we flew in from NYC last night, so, bleary eyed, I skimmed over some exotica
postings before night night.  This one caught my eye.  :(

This morning I re-read Mr. Usselman's post and see nothing in it at all that
deserves being called an asshole.

He's right, it's the buyers that set the prices on ebay.  This idea that
sellers are "jacking up the prices" is baloney, that's not the way it works.
Sure, there are some that set minimums high, or use reserves, but 90% of the
sellers kick it off under ten bucks and let the buyers decide.  We always
seem to forget about all the large number of records that never receive a
bid or are sold to a single bidder.  Like the near mint Mike Simpson "Jungle
Odyssey" I got for three bucks.  :)

I'm with U, Mr. U.












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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:05:06 EST


In a message dated Thu, 1 Mar 2001  9:36:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Are
>there other worthies on Kapp?

Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP


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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) more internet fun
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:05:54 -0500


An ominous item for users of Napster or other file-sharing systems:

http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/copy022801.htm


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:13:36 +0100 (CET)




> >Are
> >there other worthies on Kapp?

Eartha Kitt

M


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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:16:47 -0500


"pick a few dollars off it"? OK, care to explain how reading a list for over
a month, listening to (and enjoying) a lot of music that's mentioned here on
the list, and posting some items for sale in a public marketplace is
equivalent to that? I didn't advertise items for sale on this list and I
didn't solicit bids on my auctions. I posted my original note to thank the
list members for their interest...just that and nothing more.

"sneaky fuck"? Anyone who reads the list without posting is a "sneaky fuck"?
Some very stranger perceptions here...

I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here.
I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little
exclusive group. Have fun.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:04 AM
[e-mail]


I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all that
happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is sneaky
and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm).  And I
did it in the open you sneaky fuck!.....AND you don't know jack about this
list other than the fact that you can pick a few dollars off it...JB/had to
draw a line on that one


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From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:41:02 -0600


Thanks for the good wishes, Magnus and Jonny. Jonny or anyone else, please
hold forth about Silver Apples. The title, which I recognize from previous
discussions here, brings to mind Greek mythology. Is SA classic exotica?
And does anyone know if Kapp records sold at average or budget prices...or
did pricing vary by disk? Thanks for info, all. Will respond once I get the
digest. Mimi

Jonny wrote:
>YESS!! Both of my Silver Apples records are on Kapp. They werent a budget
>label in my opinion. My Frank Hunter-White Goddess plays and sounds as grea=
t
>as the day it was made, congrats on that score!! it is indeed in the Top 10
>in my exotica collection.





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From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) electa woman and dyna girl
Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:20:37 -0600


In related news, The WB has greenlit a remake of the '70s Saturday morning
classic "Electra Woman and Dyna Girl." While the old ABC version was about
two magazine reporters, the new version will feature a young college
student going to Las Vegas, where she finds Electra Woman and soon becomes
her Dyna Girl.

does anyone know who played the part of dyna girl?  she is a movie actress
now.  someone like barbara hershey  - - i saw her on either letterman or
conan o'brian, she was introduced, and before she came out they showed a
clip of the old t.v. show, then, when she came out, she stripped off the
dress she was wearing, revealing her dyna girl outfit.  it made me laugh
anyway
robert




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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:21:29 -0500




> From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>

>
> Makes it clear something is best
> kept secret. No more posts on notsowellknown gems! I feel sorry for
> those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a buisness. But
> I cant keep myself away from this music anyway.

I'm one of those collectors who laments the fact that my joy has turned into
a business, and so I admit that I winced somewhat when I got Larry
Usselman's post, but I agree even more strongly with Ben Waugh's letter.  I
don't like what e-bay has done to my hobby, and most of the time I can only
look longingly.  Maybe Larry shouldn't have sounded so predatory about his
methods, but I can't blame him.  When I see albums I own going for high
prices I feel the pull--maybe I should sell it?  (I won't do it, but it
wouldn't be wrong if I did.)  After all, Larry made something available to
people who wanted it and were willing to pay for it--he won and they won.
I keep the faith that eventually all the people who really want Esquivel on
vinyl will buy it, and the prices will begin to go down.  I know that the
supply is finite, but so is the demand.  Call me a utopian but don't dash my
hopes yet.  Until then, I would hate to see us stop posting about
notsowellknown gems--predators or not.  Who knows, we may get to the copies
before they do, and then we can sit back and watch the prices go up on e-bay
and be satisfied that we have something worth that much.

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From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:46:55 -0600


At 10:05 AM 3/1/01, [e-mail] wrote:
>>there other worthies on Kapp?
>
>Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP

Our Day...such a sweet tune. Is the LP mellow throughout with lots of
soothing Latin beats? I've always thought of Ruby & the Romantics as
one-hit wonders. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Thanks for the info,
Jimmy. Mimi




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) electa woman and dyna girl
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:30:11 -0500



[e-mail] wrote:
> does anyone know who played the part of dyna girl?  she is a movie actress
now.

 "Electra Woman and Dyna Girl" (1976)
[TV-Series]
Deidre Hall ....  Lori/Electra Woman
Judy Strangis ....  Judy/Dynagirl




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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 07:30:07 -0800 (PST)


"If BJ did not exist, it would be necessary to create
him (her/it)."

oh record collectors, oh humanity. jaysus h.



--- [e-mail] wrote:
...sneaky
> and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole"
> (that's to ljusselm).  And I did it in the open you
> sneaky fuck!.....AND you don't know jack about this
> list other than the fact that you can pick a few
> dollars off it...

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:39:16 +0100 (CET)



citerar Clayton Black <[e-mail]>:

>Until then, I would hate to see us stop posting about
> notsowellknown gems--predators or not.  Who knows, we may get to the


Off course yoe are right, I write things quickly and send it away,
maybe I should learn to think twice. The reason I joined this list was
knowledge, the new guy, dont remember your name, but welcome to the
list! I am sure when all this hubbub has settled you can join in once
and a while, that is if you wish... Maybe you know some strange vinyl
to talk about. Naturally we shall discuss secret gems as well. Maybe
that is a way of getting them into the market too.

Yes, I have thought it over! Yes, twice. Send it! OK! Send!
Magnus


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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:14:55 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Usselman, Lawrence
> J
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:17 AM

> I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here.
> I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little
> exclusive group. Have fun.

Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised at all the vitriol being hurled
around. Seems to me that Lawrence merely politely introduced himself, and
came to the list for the purposes of learning more about the genre (which
I'm sure many of us did), and enjoying the music. Nothing wrong with that.
And aside from reserve prices, it's always the *buyer* who sets the prices
on eBay.

Welcome to the list, Lawrence.

Note: I can see how one can use the word "asshole" in a friendly context,
but not with strangers. And I would normally phrase it like this (see
below):

Asshole. =)

Later,
Ben

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From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay evils(?)
Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:21:07 -0500


I'll have to side with Ben on this one - I DON'T think this guy's comments =
were done with a smirk - jeez, lighten up guys.=20

And he does have a point - it's an AUCTION so if you think it's too much =
to pay then don't bid!

- Nate (who passed up 100's of cool things on "that site" based on a =
personal "price conscience")




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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:19:00 -0500


Hey, ain't nothing wrong with assholes...we'd all be full of shit without
one! =)

Larry

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:15 AM

Note: I can see how one can use the word "asshole" in a friendly context,
but not with strangers. And I would normally phrase it like this (see
below):

Asshole. =)

Later,
Ben


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Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:39:08 EST


"sneaky fuck"? Anyone who reads the list without posting is a "sneaky fuck"?

Nope...But someone who cashes in and doesn't even participate is a real Middleman...a time-honored capitalist position which really means making money by getting in between the product and the consumer, by "being there"..."sneaky fuck" was a kneejerk reaction to your way of doing things...too strong perhaps, sorry to chose that description in hindsight

Some very stranger perceptions here...

So don't read it...of course if you're just after money then perceptions don't really matter do they? And if its just money you're after do you have the right to comment on perceptions while you cash in? Isn't that like mocking a store customer?

I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here.

I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little
exclusive group

You can't really do both, at least not very well...I guess that's my point. Either join in or lurk. Something about lurking and looking for stuff to sell us after reading all the posts  stinks to me. OK, maybe "sneaky fuck" was heavy-handed, but it still smells like a rat to me. If that's a strange perception, so be it. I'm too far along in life to worry about it...JB/don't use E-Bay anyway





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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:41:52 EST


In a message dated Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer) writes:

<<
At 10:05 AM 3/1/01, [e-mail] wrote:
>>there other worthies on Kapp?
>
>Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP

Our Day...such a sweet tune. Is the LP mellow throughout with lots of
soothing Latin beats? I've always thought of Ruby & the Romantics as
one-hit wonders. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Thanks for the info,
Jimmy. Mimi

She did the original "Heyb There Lonely Girl" as "Hey There Lonely Boy" back in '64 and the Charly re-release of 1985 contains all her best work...Exotic Soul with a latin tinge and a pop sensibility


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From: "Brian Linds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:56:20 -0800


Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here
in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds
or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he
found out to be a fraud? Thanks,
Brian Linds



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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 12:26:28 -0500


Off the top of my head, for fake bands, there's Bobby Trafalgar and Marvin
Pontiac.  There's also the soundtrack to "Soul Ecstasy", which was never a
movie )(and Logan's Sanctuary, too)

I'm sure there are lots more.

cheryl

> Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio
here
> in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or
Frauds
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Date: 01 Mar 2001 12:32:40 EST



In a message dated 3/2/2001 12:59:12 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds

or Fake Bands.  >>

    "The Masked Marauders"  was an "anonymous"  supersession that was
released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People
were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved.
Whether anyone actually believed that was Jagger singing "I Can't Get No
Nookie", I'm not sure. The liner notes are by "T.M.Christian".


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From: "Daniel Shiman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 17:53:16


>>I feel sorry for those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a
>>buisness.

Being someone whose psychic well-being relies perhaps a little too much on
maintaining a stream of cheap vinyl into my apartment, I've often wondered,
sometimes obsessively, about the influence of outside factors (i.e., ebay)
on the availability of interesting records in the usual sources.  And I
haven't noticed that the availability of interesting thrift/flea
market/dollar-bin records has diminished markedly since ebay, really.  Flea
market records turned into much more serious business once those stupid
record price guides started coming out.  Perhaps it's also that that
initial, casual interest in thrift store records stirred up by the
"Incredibly Strange Music" books and exotica compilations of the mid-90's
has abated somewhat, compensating in some small way for the rise of ebay.

That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more
consumeristic bullshit.  Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive,
if not addictive.  We NEED that record, whatever it may be.  The
dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently
exploitative when it comes to the collector.  Telling the high bidder that
everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or
she's a winner.  Not that record collection is even remotely in the same
category as drug addiction.  But the dynamic is much the same.

-Dan



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From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: organ and vibes
Date: 28 Feb 2001 19:17:49 +0100


Shirley Scott: Latin Shadows (Arranged And Conducted By Gary
Mcfarland)    LP, Impulse stereo AS-93
Wonderful combination of organ & vibes, with occasional flute &
strings. Three bossa nova tracks.

         Johan

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Subject: (exotica) FW from Aquarius> THAI ELEPHANT ORCHESTRA, PERREY & KINGSLEY
Date: 28 Feb 2001 19:17:26 +0100




THAI ELEPHANT ORCHESTRA  "s/t"  (Mulatta Records)  cd  15.98
    First it was Frogs of North America invading our record bins, then
it was Antarctic Seals and Penguins, followed by Insects in Stored
Foodstuffs... now it's Elephants from Thailand! Brilliant recordings
by non-human, um, sound-artists that we just can't get enough of here
at Aquarius. In this case, the elephants are not just making their
natural noises, they are indeed playing instruments! You may have
read about this project in the New York Times -- when we found out
about it we immediately contacted the label and ordered a whole bunch
(based also on the on-line sample we heard at www.mulatta.org) and
now here they are. These are elephants from a elephant preseve in
Thailand who have been trained to play specially-built instruments
(many marimba-like instruments similar to the traditional Thai renat,
as well as such things as harmonicas, drums, and even a stringed
"electric bass"), but they haven't been trained *what* to play, it's
all improvised with minimal human guidance! Yet it's definitely
music. It was kind of an experiment to find out how the creatures
might express themselves, and we'd say it was very successful indeed.
If we didn't know these were elephants, we'd think this was a strange
No Neck Blues Band recording or something. Imagine a stumbling,
primitive hippy folk jam on gamelan instruments, but not one that's
random or erratic. The elephants play steady beats, the struck gongs
or chimes interspersed with their vocalizations as well. With no
overdubs and few edits this is certainly a very impressive recording!
    The Thai Elephant Orchestra was dreamed up, and this disc
produced, by David Soldier (New York musician and academic) and
Richard Lair (American expatriate elephant expert, who advises the
Thai Elephant Conservation Center where this project goes on). The
two came up with the idea that elephants, being social animals, might
enjoy playing music together, and proceeded to investigate...
Happily, not only did the elephants enjoy playing, they were good at
it, demonstrating that they were able to decide what sounded good (to
them) and what didn't.
    The booklet features photos and detailed, fascinating liner notes
by both men. Here is what Soldier says the criteria was for the
construction of the instruments, which were made by New York
instrument builder Ken Butler (of "Gravikords, Whirligigs..." fame):
    "1. The instruments must be suitable to the elephant's anatomy,
which means large instruments operated by the trunk.
    "2. The instruments must withstand jungle heat, humidity -- and
the elephants.
    "3. The instruments should require minimum upkeep.
    "4. The instruments should have a Thai sound, because the regular
daily audience is Thai, the mahouts would enjoy the music more, and
the elephants have heard Thai music all their lives."
    Some more great tid-bits from the notes: "The elephants took
easily to the harmonica, which sparked the first elephant music fad:
one morning I arrived to hear the sound of harmonicas from all over
-- from the hills and from the river. The elephants were walking in
from the forest playing harmonicas, which they hold easily in the tip
of their trunks."
    "The elephants didn't seem interested in the bells or theremin. At
first they were spooked by the synthesizer keyboard, but later two
animals were entranced by it. They disliked playing Ken's reed
instruments with a large mouthpiece, or rather, trunkpiece. A mahout
told me they were afraid that a snake might jump into their nostrils!"
    As sort of bonus tracks, in addition to the forty-plus minutes of
elephant improv, there's also some non-instrumental elephant field
recordings, several tracks of humans and elephants playing together,
and even a few traditional Thai songs played by humans, about
elephants.
    Sure there's a bit of simple amusement to be found here just from
the concept alone, but in actual fact the music these elephants make
is, to our ears at least, quite beautiful. We could go on and
philosophize about how this project speaks to the relationship
between man and animals in this world, but we'll leave those thoughts
for you to explore if you chose to check out this album, which we
highly recommend! Amazing and wonderful.
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaijojo.rm
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaiduo.rm
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaiharmonica.rm
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaiheavy.rm




PERREY & KINGSLEY  "Out Sound From Way In"  (Vanguard)  3cd  25.00
    Fuckin' A! All the the Vanguard recordings of Perrey & Kingsley
finally available in one reasonably priced 2 disc set. Yes, I said "2
disc set". "The In Sound From Way Out", "Spotlight On Moog", plus
Jean Jaques Perrey's solo albums "The Amazing New Pop Electronic
Sound Of..." and "Moog Indigo" are all included here. Perrey &
Kingsley, for those unfamiliar with their work, were probably the
first electronic composers to work in the popular realm, releasing
"The In Sound From Way Out" in 1966. Taking the ground breaking
developments in tape and electronic music pioneered by Otto Leuning
and Vladimir Ussachevsky and creating outrageoous arrangements of
popular standards of the day a la Martin Denny and Esquivel, Perrey
and Kingsley made some "easy listening" music that was anything but
easy to listen to. Incredibly frenetic rhythms composed of
multi-tracked tape loops of sound effects and recorded noise were the
back drop to high paced electronic renditions of all the popular hits
of the day using the most advanced synthesizers available. Everyone
from Stereolab to Negativland claims a huge debt to the inspiration
of these mad scientists of electronic pop. Also included are some
nice biographical liner notes -- 7 pages worth -- by The Wire
contributor Richard Henderson. Oh yeah, and there's also a third disc
of Fat Boy Slim and Eurotrash remixes which you can promptly throw
away when you get your copy. In its place you could fit a copy of
Jean Jacques Perrey's "Good Moog" which was just re-issued as well
and retails for 17.98.
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/perreyspooksinspace.rm
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/perreycosmicballad.rm
    RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/perrey3rdmantheme.rm




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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:28:17 -0500


The most famous fake would be the Traveling Wilburys, but there was no
secret about who THEY were.  There was also Phantom who released "Divine
Comedy" and the band members were identified by letters, not names.

There was "Orion" who was being touted as Elvis in disguise and it is Orion
that is heard on the tape that was included with the book "Is Elvis Alive?"

Bo and Peep singing "Young Love" has long been rumored to have Mick Jagger
and John Lennon on a one-off single.

There is also an April Fools record review that I read in Goldmine magazine
years ago, saying that Jim Nabors had released a punk record with his new
band, The Pyledrivers.

I don't wanna holiday in the Shazam,
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:47:40 -0800 (PST)


Ramones: Somebody put Something in my Drink
NRBQ: Who Put the Garlic in the Glue?
Sanford Clark: The Fool
Country Joe and The Fish: Tricky Dicky
Deadbolt: Patches the Clown
Big Mamma Thornton (or "E"): Hound Dog
?: Bear Cat (male response to BMT's Hound Dog)
Gene Vincent and The Blue Caps: You Told a Fib
Frank Zappa: Don't You Want a Man Like Me?
Peter and the Testtube Babies: Transvestite ("I've
been cheated tonight...")
The Rolling Stones: Don't Lie to Me
Sam the Sham and The Pharaohs: The Phantom (about a
prankster)
Johnny Cash: A Boy Named Sue
Ronnie Self: Ain't I'm a Dog



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> Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another
> segment on CBC radio here
> in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting
> recordings about Pranks or Frauds
> or Fake Bands. Any ideas?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville"
Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:48:46 -0500



>"Tikiville" is a romantic comedy about a 30-year-old single mother whose
>life is turned upside down when the father of her child suddenly re-enters
>her life after a 14-year absence. The series, set in south Florida, will
>switch back and forth between the couple's current relationship and their
>days as teen lovers.

I think I'd rather watch SCTV's "Polynesiantown".



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From: [e-mail]
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Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:53:50 EST


Looking back at the original post, I agree it seemed more of an intro than an opportunity to smirk, BUT, as someone who's gone to many a garage sale, inquired whether they had any records for sale, and been informed that someone just bought up their entire "stock" before I got there (and noticed a pattern forming as I continued my garage run), I can understand some of the vitrol coming from Brian & co.  (I've uttered many curse  words directed towards "dealers" myself at times due to said situations).

Seeing both sides (diplomatic little f*** aren't I),
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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:56:53 -0500


Hi Dan and all,

Some good points and on-the-whole I tend to agree with you about the factors
influencing the availability of "cheap vinyl". Interestingly enough, there
has been a steady stream of recent columns and letters in the U.S. record
collecting "trade press" (Goldmine, Discoveries), bemoaning the influence of
eBay in *driving down* the price of collectible records. It appears that the
traditional closed-circle "good old boy" club of collectors and dealers has
been having trouble maintaining their artificially inflated prices, what
with every Jill and Joe scouring their attics and closets for used vinyl.
The market has changed...for better or worse remains to be seen.

As far as your addiction, Dan, might I suggest a twelve-step program? :^)
(Hi, my name is Dan and I'm a record-addict...)

Larry (who is not only a pusher but an addict himself...)

-----Original Message-----
<snip>
Being someone whose psychic well-being relies perhaps a little too much on
maintaining a stream of cheap vinyl into my apartment, I've often wondered,
sometimes obsessively, about the influence of outside factors (i.e., ebay)
on the availability of interesting records in the usual sources.  And I
haven't noticed that the availability of interesting thrift/flea
market/dollar-bin records has diminished markedly since ebay, really.  Flea
market records turned into much more serious business once those stupid
record price guides started coming out.  Perhaps it's also that that
initial, casual interest in thrift store records stirred up by the
"Incredibly Strange Music" books and exotica compilations of the mid-90's
has abated somewhat, compensating in some small way for the rise of ebay.

That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more
consumeristic bullshit.  Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive,
if not addictive.  We NEED that record, whatever it may be.  The
dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently
exploitative when it comes to the collector.  Telling the high bidder that
everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or
she's a winner.  Not that record collection is even remotely in the same
category as drug addiction.  But the dynamic is much the same.

-Dan


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Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:56:39 EST


In a message dated 03/01/01 10:04:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< This morning I re-read Mr. Usselman's post and see nothing in it at all
that
 deserves being called an asshole.

 He's right, it's the buyers that set the prices on ebay.  This idea that
 sellers are "jacking up the prices" is baloney, that's not the way it works.
 Sure, there are some that set minimums high, or use reserves, but 90% of the
 sellers kick it off under ten bucks and let the buyers decide.  We always
 seem to forget about all the large number of records that never receive a
 bid or are sold to a single bidder.  Like the near mint Mike Simpson "Jungle
 Odyssey" I got for three bucks.  :)

 I'm with U, Mr. U. >>

yep, i am with you basic.

also, i think of ALL the stuff i have found on ebay that i otherwise would
never have found.

i just purchased a mint condition Marantz 2230B Receiver for about a hundred
bucks.  20 times better than the current shit being offered as receivers.
where there 100 watts RMS does not even come close to the 30 watts continous
that the Marantz has.

ya gets whats ya bid for and no one forces you to bid.

happy ebayer,

tiki bob


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Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:04:35 EST


In a message dated 03/01/01 10:05:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all
that happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is
sneaky and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm). >>

so i guess he should not have put it up for bid.  the search engine on ebay
is where the people of a certain demographic LOOK for things that fit THEIR
demographic.  it does not work the other way around.

did i miss something?  did the lurker post to the list his ebay listing?
even if he did, is the person who got the album upset?

and the better question, if the person who got the album (and i don't know
who that is at this point) had the opportunity to return it and get his money
back, would he?  and would the other three bidders be willing to buy it?

i suspect they would.

leave the seller alone.  i don't think he did anything sneaky. no body paid
more than they were willing to bid.

tb


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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:20:31 -0500




> From: "Daniel Shiman" <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:53:16
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
>
> That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more
> consumeristic bullshit.  Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive,
> if not addictive.  We NEED that record, whatever it may be.  The
> dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently
> exploitative when it comes to the collector.  Telling the high bidder that
> everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or
> she's a winner.  Not that record collection is even remotely in the same
> category as drug addiction.  But the dynamic is much the same.
>
> -Dan

My students, who think I'm a communist, would laugh to hear that I am a
purveyor of consumeristic bullshit.  I do see your point, Dan, and I agree
that the dealer/buyer relationship is exploitative of the collector.  When
it comes to albums, sometimes e-bay makes me feel like a hungry man with a
succulent steak dangled just out of reach.  On the other hand, many of us
would NEVER see ANY of this stuff if it weren't for e-bay, and there's
nothing to prevent dealers who offer the same goods at fixed prices from
jacking them up--just go on GEMM or any other on-line seller to see.  It may
be that the prices there are a by-product of what happens on e-bay, or maybe
e-bay just makes the response time by dealers quicker, but once dealers
determined that the demand was great, the prices would go up, simple as
that.  I would love for the dealers to quit plundering the same thrift
stores that are my Mecca, and every time I go to a used book sale I curse
the dealers who leave with truckloads.  But despite my gut feeling, I'm just
not certain that prohibiting it is possible or, in the long run, desirable.
Finally, the dynamic of record collecting and drugs may be similar, but I
doubt that e-bay will ever be the only supplier, and the fact that we all
still seem to be finding, even if only occasionally, gems in the antique
stores, yard sales, and estate sales suggests that there is still plenty to
go around that can be had reasonably.  That said, I'll try to keep the
consumerist jingoism to a minimum.

Comrade Clayton



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Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:26:30 EST


In a message dated 03/01/01 12:54:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more
 consumeristic bullshit.  Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive,
 if not addictive.  We NEED that record, whatever it may be.  The
 dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently
 exploitative when it comes to the collector.  >>

sounds like trying to blame someone else for one's problems.  if it is a
problem for the obsessive collector it is not the seller's fault.  what is
the seller supposed to do?  set both a reserve low AND high bid?????

tb


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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:39:15 -0800


Does Milli Vanilli Count?



Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here
in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds
or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he
found out to be a fraud? Thanks,
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From: "Indy Rutks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:40:50 -0600


If we're able to include "alter egos", then one of my favorites is XTC
putting out a couple of albums of psychedelia as The Dukes Of The
Stratosphear.

Also, I think Stewart Copeland, drummer for The Police, released an EP as
Klark Kent.

And remember when Warren Zevon joined with a Stipe-less REM to form Hindu
Love Gods? That was awesome...

OK, I think I'm waaaay off track now. I'll stop...

-Indy



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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500


Speaking of frauds, how about "Lola" by the Kinks?

Larry

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in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds
or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he
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From: "Daniel Shiman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:56:52


>sounds like trying to blame someone else for one's problems.  if it is a
>problem for the obsessive collector it is not the seller's fault.  what is
>the seller supposed to do?  set both a reserve low AND high bid?????
>
>tb
>


Nah, I'm not blaming the sellers.  What I take issue with is this bogus idea
- which ebay promulgates - that as buyers of collectible goods we're
supposed to believe that "everybody's a winner on ebay".
-Dan
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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 21:13:28 +0100


Gentlemen!

for how long did we not have an "argument" such like this here! Almost forgot how good it feels when the adrenalin concentration rises above the normal level.

Ebay again...

Have we not been aware of the fact that the "system ebay" means, that the richest guy in the whole wide world gets the record? I must admit I haven't seen it clearly myself in the very beginning. I only saw the advantages for collectors to find a record they wouldn't usually ever see in a shop. But it's a fact. When the price of a record was formerly defined by the average default shop goer, now this customer has to compete with everybody on the planet. It seems like the advantage is clearly on the seller's side (but try to sell a Witney Huston record from 1995, and you will find, that it's still a question of supply and demand). But that the prices for virtually everything would somewhat rise with the ebay system, is that so surprising? Some people just CAN pay hundreds of $$ for records. Even if we see them as fools: they don't care.

Looks like we old school hunters and collectors have to go back to the thrift stores, although even there the competition has increased: the chance to make big bucks with old records on ebay surely gave a lot more people the idea to systematically search the common sources. But is it that bad to go back to the roots of record hunting? We can even sell records on ebay ourselves for big $$ to the fools who are willing to pay it. I don't remember anybody complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just that. We can't change it anyway. It's too late. Alea jacta est.

Mo

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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:32:45 -0500


At 06:18 AM 3/1/01 -0800, Ben Waugh wrote:
>
>What?
>
>We are all complicit in the hiked up prices we gripe
>about and pay. What's the big deal about the guy
>turning a profit on us compulsively competitive
>bidders? Or thanking us for the fact?

Four guys on this list bid on a record and the price is driven up.
Then the seller comes on and says "thanks for bidding on my record, thus
driving up the price".
If the seller was a friend of mine, I might smile while I told him to fuck
off.  I might think "yeah it is kind of funny the way we helped you make
money there".
I'd grumble but I'd laugh it off.
If however the seller is a stranger and this is his first post ever, then I
have to agree with Brian. That was my first thought too.
It's not his fault that the bidding drove the price up and I don't resent
him for making a profit.
And I wouldn't have resented him in the least if he'd just been another guy
with a record to sell.
But when he comes to my home and waves the money in my face and says "hey
guys thanks. Hope I can find more records you want so that you guys can
drive the price up and in the end none of you will actually get it because
the price will be too high for any of you", then yeah I start to think of
synonyms for asshole.

Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way.
But it sure sounded like it.
And it was a suspicious way for a lurker to make his first ever post.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:34:14 -0500


At 10:03 AM 3/1/01 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>
..AND you don't know jack about this list other than the fact that you can
pick a few dollars off it...

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:40:13 -0500


At 10:21 AM 3/1/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote:
>  Maybe Larry shouldn't have sounded so predatory about his
>methods, but I can't blame him.  When I see albums I own going for high
>prices I feel the pull--maybe I should sell it?  (I won't do it, but it
>wouldn't be wrong if I did.)

At the risk of repeating myself, it was the "sound" of his post that made
some of us react the way we did.
I'm going to put some records on ebay myself eventually and I hope that
every one of them goes for a hundred dollars.
However if one of my records does go for a lot of money and I look at the
bidding history and I see that five guys bid on it and the four "losers"
all hang out in one place, I'm not going to go to that place and say "Hey
guys, thanks for helping me make all this money!"
It's just impolite.
And if it was a bar and they were drinking, it would be dangerous too.

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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:44:03 -0500


Alan, the more I think about my original post, I can see how that perception
could be made. It certainly wasn't my intention to flaunt this auction and
my profits in anyone's face.  I actually thought it was pretty neat that I
had found something that was interesting enough for 3 or 4 people from this
list to bid on. My purpose in reading this list and making that first post
was not to generate future sales...I've truly developed an appreciation for
many of the musical styles discussed here and have enjoyed the
conversations. I apologize if I offended anyone or created any ill-will.

I'll continue to read the list, and hopefully will have something
constructive to contribute in the future.

Best regards,

Larry

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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:33 PM

Four guys on this list bid on a record and the price is driven up.
Then the seller comes on and says "thanks for bidding on my record, thus
driving up the price".
If the seller was a friend of mine, I might smile while I told him to fuck
off.  I might think "yeah it is kind of funny the way we helped you make
money there".
I'd grumble but I'd laugh it off.
If however the seller is a stranger and this is his first post ever, then I
have to agree with Brian. That was my first thought too.
It's not his fault that the bidding drove the price up and I don't resent
him for making a profit.
And I wouldn't have resented him in the least if he'd just been another guy
with a record to sell.
But when he comes to my home and waves the money in my face and says "hey
guys thanks. Hope I can find more records you want so that you guys can
drive the price up and in the end none of you will actually get it because
the price will be too high for any of you", then yeah I start to think of
synonyms for asshole.

Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way.
But it sure sounded like it.
And it was a suspicious way for a lurker to make his first ever post.

AZ


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 22:03:13 +0100 (CET)



All,
Can we please change subject now! Gentleman Magnus is tired of seeing
that subject line :|


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From: buMp <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) 3 gentlemen?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:15:33 -0500


with retorts like this, i say WELCOME!

we all suffer from ASSHOLISM (to quote local boy john waters)
now and again.
you have to understand that the people on this list are very passionate
about this music and
are into it for the love of it, not the profit.
so to sorta barge in and speak of the wonders of the large profits being
made on us
is kinda "assholy".
but i understand your intention, i feel as if you kinda like the prodigal son.
(i do not bid on record on ebay so you are cool with me)

welcome to the hi-volital world of exotica!

bump


>Hey, ain't nothing wrong with assholes...we'd all be full of shit without
>one! =)
>
>Larry

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From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 02 Mar 2001 08:38:09 +1100


on 2/3/01 4:32 AM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:

> "The Masked Marauders"  was an "anonymous"  supersession that was
> released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People
> were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved.
> Whether anyone actually believed that was Jagger singing "I Can't Get No
> Nookie", I'm not sure. The liner notes are by "T.M.Christian"

T.M. Christian (The Magic Christian) is Ringo Starr if my memeory serves.

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From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 02 Mar 2001 08:38:10 +1100


on 2/3/01 3:56 AM, Brian Linds at [e-mail] wrote:

> Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he
> found out to be a fraud? Thanks,

Was there ever any doubt? Magician James Randi spent a lot of time debunking
him and fighting in court over defamation too I think.

I have just transferred most of Uri's album to CDR if you're interested.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) 3 gentlemen?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 23:16:56 +0100 (CET)



citerar buMp <[e-mail]>:

>
> with retorts like this, i say WELCOME!
>
> we all suffer from ASSHOLISM (to quote local boy john waters)


Which movie was that? Was it the one where the murderers and the
retards lived in a city in the forest? Where the leaing lady, oh maybe
not lady screams to the kids in the beginning of the movie: How are you
ever gonna pay pack the five minutes you stole from my life, I hate
you, your parents and everyone connected with you" Or something like
that, how many laughs I got from that picture. So damn dark. I couldnt
watch it now, not after my psychosis.

Or was it in Pink Flamingos?

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:22:26 -0800 (PST)


Here's my final on this. A stranger introduces
himself, thanks us for bidding and then thanks us all
around for lining his pockets. He probably could have
finessed the sentences a bit more, but I for one never
got the sense of intended gloating.

Larry came out of the cold in response to the tired
thread regarding how we piranhas frenzied after a
particular item he was selling. I thought it made a
nice end to the matter: thanks for going against your
principles and participating in my auction. And he is
here now and can speak to this if he cares to correct
deny, impugn, etc.

Maybe my close reading skills need some polishing or
I'm overly callous, but I don't see how it's ok to
agree that calling the guy an asshole, based on that
first post (before he began to generalize about all
group members), is a legitimate - if we are too
sophisticated to say "gentlemanly" - response.

Whew. Sorry for going on - but this whole "post-punk"
rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic
(exploited by our consumer culture, which all we
buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is
getting tired.

I retire.

BW
--- alan  zweig <[e-mail]> wrote:


....
> Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way.
> But it sure sounded like it.
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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:25:25 -0600


Larry,
Since I am the one responsible for the "pretentious fop" comment, let
me explain....I wrote that because I thought you sounded
condescending towards the bidders and listmembers, plus I've waited
years to use that adjective and this was the first chance I got.
After listening to your comments, I am sorry.
I am also sorry for my part in getting the group all stirred up.

Who knew such a laid-back, easy listening group had such Passion!
Must be the jungle drums....
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:37:53 -0800 (PST)


Right. Jack was very personal and quick with insults
(some of which had great humor value. I do miss the
guy)And whether or not that tendency is a part of his
nature that he cannot master, my feeling is that some
people on this list feel that a knowledgeable hipster
has a sort papal infallibility about him. A tolerance
denied tradesman and the uninitiated.

--- Moritz R <[e-mail]> wrote:
I don't remember anybody
> complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just
> that.

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From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: (exotica) White Goddess and Kapp --add Modern, Kent & Crown
Date: 01 Mar 2001 18:20:12 -0600


Thanks for the info, Clayton. I'm getting the idea that Kapp had two or
three tiers of releases: budget tributes to mostly minor artists by no-name
artists; recordings like White Goddess, Eartha Kitt, etc.; and the high-end
Gold Medallion LPs. Can you or anyone verify? Hunted for a Kapp website--no
luck.

Recently learned about this comprehensive site for the Bihari Brothers'
labels, Modern, Kent, & Crown. (Thanks, Jeff!) No coverups the Biharis'
seamier business practices either. The developers are looking for people
who can fill in missing info. Maybe some of you want to oblige them.
http://www.bsnpubs.com/modern/modernstory.html

Mimi

Clayton wrote:
I never thought of Kapp as being a budget label.  I don't collect them,
by any means, but as far as I know all of Roger Williams albums were on
Kapp, and Kapp had a fairly nice "high-end" series (Gold Medallion) with the
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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:14:42 -0500



[e-mail] wrote:
> "The Masked Marauders"  was an "anonymous"  supersession that was
released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People
were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved.
===
The folks behind the actual Masked Marauders LP (which I have) were, or so I've heard, a bunch of musos who used to hang around the Freight & Salvage's folk/old time music scene. These same people were recorded by Mike Seeger on "Berkeley Farms: Oldtime and Country Style Music of Berkeley," Folkways FA 2436 (1972) (which I also have).
Can I confirm from listening to the two that it's the same personnel? No, but it seems just possible enough that I've considered this mystery solved (at least for myself).

[e-mail]

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Trubee's Blind Man's Penis
Darleen and Jonathan Edwards
answer records
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From: Brett Leveridge <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:26:38 -0500 (EST)



This urban legends website claims it all began with "a joke review of a
non-existent album" in Rolling Stone written by Griel Marcus under a
pseudonym. The site further claims that Marcus and RS writer/editor
Langdon recruited a group of Berkeley musicians (supposedly, according to
the site, the members of The Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle Band) to
record a record matching the one described in the review:

http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/masked.htm

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>> "The Masked Marauders"  was an "anonymous"  supersession
>> that was released by Reprise (no date on the album, most
>> likely around 1969). People were led to believe that
>> Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved.
> ===
> The folks behind the actual Masked Marauders LP (which I have)
> were, or so I've heard, a bunch of musos who used to hang around
> the Freight & Salvage's folk/old time music scene. These
> same people were recorded by Mike Seeger on "Berkeley Farms:
> Oldtime and Country Style Music of Berkeley," Folkways FA
> 2436 (1972) (which I also have).




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Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:36:58 EST



In a message dated 3/1/1 3:12:08 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>I don't remember anybody complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just
that.

All due respect to Jack--he is passionate beyond belief--I have NEVER bought
a rekkid from him because he is in that camp. And I've found most of what he
offers anyhow. I guess I like my capitalism the way I like nightclub
sex...anonymously. and holding my breath!~


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Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:45:16 EST



In a message dated 3/1/1 5:23:07 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>his whole "post-punk"
>rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic
>(exploited by our consumer culture, which all we
>buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is
>getting tired.

So if anything goes, then--as Zappa said-- its simply situational ethics
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 01 Mar 2001 17:06:28 -0800 (PST)


Not my point, DJ. But I think you know that.

--- [e-mail] wrote:
>

> So if anything goes, then--as Zappa said-- its
> simply situational ethics
> ...JB/If you don't stand for something, you'll fall
> for anything


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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:03:10 -0800 (PST)



--- [e-mail] wrote:

> > "The Masked Marauders"  was an "anonymous"
> supersession that was
> released by Reprise (no date on the album, most
> likely around 1969). People
> were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the
> Beatles were involved.

What was the name of the group that supposedly sounded
so much like the Doors that rumor spread that the
lizard elvis had faked his death and was singing
incognito in this band? I think Electra actually got
riled up over it.

> [e-mail]
>
> other pranks:
> Trubee's Blind Man's Penis

Great record. Sort of in that... vein is Killer
Pussy's Teenage Enema Nurses in Bondage, The Beat
Farmers' Are You Drinking with me Jesus? and The
Forgotten Rebels' Surfin' on Heroin.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) all gentlemen agree
Date: 02 Mar 2001 12:12:13 +0100


Ben, this is the final statement. I completely agree with you.
And: You have my vote for the Justice of the Peace of this list.

Mo


Ben Waugh schrieb:

> Here's my final on this. A stranger introduces
> himself, thanks us for bidding and then thanks us all
> around for lining his pockets. He probably could have
> finessed the sentences a bit more, but I for one never
> got the sense of intended gloating.
>
> Larry came out of the cold in response to the tired
> thread regarding how we piranhas frenzied after a
> particular item he was selling. I thought it made a
> nice end to the matter: thanks for going against your
> principles and participating in my auction. And he is
> here now and can speak to this if he cares to correct
> deny, impugn, etc.
>
> Maybe my close reading skills need some polishing or
> I'm overly callous, but I don't see how it's ok to
> agree that calling the guy an asshole, based on that
> first post (before he began to generalize about all
> group members), is a legitimate - if we are too
> sophisticated to say "gentlemanly" - response.
>
> Whew. Sorry for going on - but this whole "post-punk"
> rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic
> (exploited by our consumer culture, which all we
> buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is
> getting tired.
>

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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Pretentious Fop...?
Date: 02 Mar 2001 07:55:10 -0500


Awww, c'mon Colleen...just when I was starting to like the idea of strutting
around in a powdered wig, velvet pantaloons, ruffled shirt, a little finger
dipped into a snuff box and a lace hankie grasped in the other hand....*LOL*

Thanks for the note...hopefully my future postings will be more informative
than inflammatory.
-----------
A side note...had a chance last night to listen to the webcast of Darrell
Brogdon's Retro Cocktail Hour on KANU-FM at the Univ of Kansas. Great show,
and particularly enjoyed the interview with Kirby Allen (Chaino's
producer/manager). I had some email correspondence with Kirby a few months
back and found him to be quite an interesting character!

Larry

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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:25 PM
Cc: [e-mail]


Larry,
Since I am the one responsible for the "pretentious fop" comment, let
me explain....I wrote that because I thought you sounded
condescending towards the bidders and listmembers, plus I've waited
years to use that adjective and this was the first chance I got.
After listening to your comments, I am sorry.
I am also sorry for my part in getting the group all stirred up.

Who knew such a laid-back, easy listening group had such Passion!
Must be the jungle drums....
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) all gentlemen agree
Date: 02 Mar 2001 05:42:58 -0800 (PST)


I can't take the job. I know myself too well. It would
begin with avuncular intercessions and evolve into
hits and lavish purges.

--- Moritz R <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Ben, this is the final statement. I completely agree
> with you.
> And: You have my vote for the Justice of the Peace
> of this list.


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Flute and bongos, nice combination
Date: 02 Mar 2001 16:48:10 +0100 (CET)



Don Ralke Bongo Madness LP Crown CLP 5019
Listening to Bongo Madness right now, it is good, more relaxed and calm
than I thought it would be, more exotica than afro cuban, some
originals by Ralke are particularly good. Buddy Colette talks on the
flute and Jack Burger on the bongos. On Crown records so there are
(is?) a lot of surface noise. Would make a nice twofer CD with Milt
Raskins "Kapu/Exotic Percussion" but it is not as great at that one. I
would love a cd reissue of Raskins masterpiece and hear it without all
that surface noise.

Bongo Madness is absolutely worth picking up,

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From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) April fools gentlemen
Date: 02 Mar 2001 18:18:37


One of my favourite 'fake' bands were Klaatu, who weren't really fake but
refused to do press and allowed the rumour to get around that they were a
secret Beatles reunion. I have been told that the Carpenters thought
'calling occupants of interplanetary craft' (my favourite of their songs and
much better than the original version) was a George Harrison song when they
did it! Great drugs obviously.

And will people lay off the new guy? i wouldn't mind if you were molotov
cocktail toting, credit card hacking, anti-capitalist revolutionaries. But
short of that you're just not in a fucking reasonable position.
whoops the censor might get me.
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Subject: (exotica) Book of Tiki excised chapters
Date: 02 Mar 2001 17:34:14 EST


     I recall someone posting about the fact that 3 chapters were taken out
of the original book before the publishing, including one on music. Is there
any possibility that Sven Kirsten would agree to having those chapters posted
online? I would even be willing to pay a small fee for the privelige of
seeing the additional material. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is there
anyone who could propose this to the author? Thanks
Jon Cook


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Subject: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report
Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:48:59 -0500



9.  Hawaiian Newspapers, War Records, and Trust Territory Image
Collections [.tif]
http://128.171.57.100/

Created by the University of Hawai'i System Libraries, this site
contains three collections of digitized images. The first features
images of Hawaiian language newspapers published from 1834 to 1948.
They include stories, photos, advertisements, letters to the editor,
and other content. The quality of images varies. The second
collection comes from the Hawai'i War Records Depository (HWRD), and
in addition to the photos, this section also provides information on
the holdings of the HWRD, contact information, and a link to an
online catalog. The third, and largest, collection includes
approximately 8,000 images from the Trust Territory of the Pacific
Islands (TTPI) archives. The photos are browsed by "reel" number and
are offered as large thumbnails with links to full-size JPEG or TIFF
images. The photos may also be keyword searched using an internal
search engine. Links to further information about the four separate,
self-governing districts that once composed the TTPI are also
provided. [MD]


13. The Merchants of Cool -- PBS [RealPlayer]
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/

The companion site to this week's excellent _Frontline_ explores the
symbiotic relationships between teens, the media, and the creators
and sellers of popular culture. In the program, _Frontline_
correspondent Douglas Rushkoff interviews marketers, media
executives, cultural/media critics, and members of the teen market
that the former are so desperately trying to reach (and create).
Among other things, Rushkoff explores the "mook" (young male) and
"midriff" (young female) stereotypes and the marketing of supposedly
anti-establishment rage rockers. At the site, visitors can explore
the major themes of the film, read interview transcripts and the
reactions of teens who viewed the program, and learn about some of
the companies and media giants featured in the film. Also included
are a discussion list, a teacher's guide, and some additional short
features. [MD]


14. Traveling Culture: Circuit Chautauqua in the Twentieth Century --
LOC [.pdf]
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/iauhtml/tccchome.html

The latest addition to the American Memory Project highlights a
University of Iowa Libraries collection of talent brochures and other
materials from one of the largest booking agencies for Chautauqua
performers. The site presents "7,949 publicity brochures, promotional
advertisements and talent circulars for some 4,546 performers who
were part of the Chautauqua circuit." These may be searched by
keyword or browsed by subject or name. The digitized images are
offered as thumbnails with links to a full-size .jpg image or .pdf
file, accompanied by bibliographic information. The site also links
to a brief online essay on Chautauqua. [MD]




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Subject: (exotica) LANGUAGE
Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:24:18 -0600


Well, I think JB proved that it's not the @#%#@** language that keeps
posts from coming through.  JB, you are quite fluent.   LOL


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Subject: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:14:59 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Usselman, Lawrence
> J
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:44 PM

> Alan, the more I think about my original post, I can see how that
> perception
> could be made. It certainly wasn't my intention to flaunt this auction and
> my profits in anyone's face.

Man I just hope you're not this one seller on eBay who has all this great
stuff and is totally cleaning up. There's this particular seller (ok, I'm
bidding on one of her/his auctions right now) who has:

Jean-Jacques Perrey's "Mood Indigo" LP
*and*
Dan Penn's "Nobody's Fool" LP (that one just went over $100)
*and*
Little Jimmy Scott's "The Source" LP (that one I really want)
*and*
that Kali Bahlu album.

God I want 'em all.

A little depressed,
Ben

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Subject: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:19:47 -0800


This stuff is just plain common sense... everyone who collects
anything eventually realizes this:


* You Have To Pay To Be Lazy *

It stands to reason that if you take the path of least resistence,
(ie: typing "les+baxter" into the ebay search box) you are going to
pay more than the fella who gets up at 5 am to be to the swap meet
before most people have their morning coffee. A dealer may have
to buy up whole collections of worthless "Whipped Cream and Other
Delights" to get the odd Esquivel or Les Baxter in the batch. If
someone is going to that trouble to gather together an inventory,
you're going to pay him a premium for his efforts. There's nothing
at all wrong with any of that...

If you have very little money, then you shouldn't be shopping
at trendy record boutiques and high traffic auctions... You should
haunt thrift stores, go to swap meets, search out garage sales, and
save your money and buy batches of records from people dumping whole
collections at a quantity discount... in other words... Do your own
legwork! Don't gripe that the guy who sits on his duff typing
in ebay search boxes is ruining things for you, because that isn't
true at all.


* Auctions Don't Set Values *

The hammer price at auction is *by definition* a higher price than
anyone else bidding is interested in paying. It doesn't mean that
is what the item is *worth*. It means on THAT day THAT ONE BIDDER
was willing to pay that.

It's a lot easier for someone to pay double what something is
worth if it costs $10, than if it's worth $500. That's why
the average stuff is so volitile sometimes. But these are flukes.
It doesn't mean that if you put YOUR copy of "Hugo Piggerwiggle
and his Mambo Maniacs Play the Beatles" that you are going to
get the same price that the first seller did. After the first
copy, the law of supply and demand will kick in, and the price
will start to drop.


* Lemmings Pay A Premium *

If a record is pictured on the cover of Re:Search's books, you
are going to pay through the nose for it. Everyone with a tiny bit
of experience in this sort of music knows Esquivel, Les Baxter and
Martin Denny. But that doesn't mean that these are the only good
records in the world. There are a LOT of really good cheap records
to be had. You just have to explore the outer edges where the average
person hasn't gotten to yet, and be willing to risk a buck on
something new. It helps to have broad and adventurous tastes in
music. It doesn't help to feel that someone else has to write
about something being good before you will acknowledge it
yourself. Be your own trendsetter... don't let Irwin Chisud
define what *your* tastes are.


* My Tip For Finding Cheap Music *

I've mentioned it here before, and I guess I'll say it again, even
though I'll probably be making competition for myself at ebay...

If you like older music and you don't have a turntable capable of
playing 78's, you are missing out on a sure thing. Right now, 78s
are plentiful and relatively valueless. You can find lots of music
of all types from the turn of the century through the late 50s,
that aren't available on LP or CD, for as low as 25 cents a record
at ebay. If they have been reissued on CD, odds are the original
78s sound BETTER. People have this idea that 78s sound scratchy...
that it's hard to get equipment to play them... that they are very
rare and expensive. None of this is true. They sound great, they're
easy to find needles for, and they are DIRT CHEAP.

In short, use your brain, your ears and your legs. The lazy
lemming with no tastes of his own always pays more. Who wants
to be a lazy lemming?

That's my two cents... and I didn't have to resort to vulgarities!

See ya
Steve



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Subject: (exotica) Grind & Polish
Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:19:49 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>have you ever tried if such a "grind & polish" CD repair kit also
>works on CD-R's?

You can buff out even really deep scratches with any good plexiglas
polish. It's cheaper than those fancy kits and it works better
too. I use Meguiars Mirror Glaze 17 Professional Plastic Cleaner.
But any brand would work as well.

See ya
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Subject: (exotica) Permanence
Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:19:51 -0800



>I read somewhere that LPs will function in 100 years, CDs will function
>in 30 years, CDrs will function in 10 years, can someone verify this?
>If this is true, I am glad I can listen to my LPs the rest of my life.
>A record from -59 will last until 2059, when I am 90. CDs will need a
>lot of upgrades. What about 78s? -Magnus

I have 78's from the turn of the century that sound as good as the
day they were made. That puts them over the 100 year mark. Some 78s
are subject to lamination cracking, but that is mostly the cheaper
ones from the fifties.

See ya
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From: "jim gerwitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Assholeism
Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:18:29 -0800


Magnus, here's your quote from Desperate Living, my favorite John Waters
film for the first half at least. If you need a laugh at least go back to
Polyester and Hairspray (for Sonny Bono, Debbie Harry, and beatnik Pia
Zadora.)

From the IMDB Desperate Living quotes:
Peggy Gravel: "Hello? What number are you calling? You've dialed the wrong
number! Sorry? What good is that? How can you ever repay the last thirty
seconds you have stolen from my life? I hate you, your husband, your
children, and your relatives!"   Then on to Mortville with her maid Grizelda
just in time for Queen Carlotta's Backwards Day exclamations of "Hey
asshole, you got your pants on backwards. HAHAHAHAHA....."
Damn, now I gotta watch this tomorrow.

Here's the fabulous Mink Stole again as Connie Marble in Pink Flamingos: "I
guess there's just two kinds of people, Ms. Sandstone; my kind of people and
assholes. It's rather obvious which category you fit into. Have a nice day."

Pink Flamingos was a first date movie for me and my wife, and I bought some
John Cougar Mellencamp LP just because Edith Massey is on the cover and I
HAD to have it.

Coming out of his own shell of depression,
Jim The Egg Man
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Assholeism
Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:30:21 +0100 (CET)



citerar jim gerwitz <[e-mail]>:

>
> Magnus, here's your quote from Desperate Living, my favorite John
Waters
> film for the first half at least. If you need a laugh at least go
back to
> Polyester and Hairspray (for Sonny Bono, Debbie Harry, and beatnik Pia
> Zadora.)


Hi Jim!
Well I purchased nearly all of his  films when they came out as tapes
in britain some 8 years ago, I sold some old ones that I did not like,
but I still have most of them. I also liked Desperate living the most.

Polyester I saw on its premiere in Sweden, I was just a kid back then,
so I did not think it gave me that much (Except when one guy gets his
head cut off ;) That I loved.) I saved the "smell paper" a long time,
the pizza smell was still there 7-8 years after. Then I lost it when we
moved to a new house.

Baltimore to me is John Waters. If I go there sometime I would like to
be served by Edith Massey, but she is dead, isnt she?

How is his new films? The ones after Serial Mom I have not seen.

Thanks very much for the quotes!
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Permanence
Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:31:10 +0100 (CET)




Hi Steve
Thanks for your comments!

I read your mail about record dealers and collecting after your own=20
taste. I couldnt agree more, however, look at it from my side, I live=20
in Sweden, very little exotica records here, if i found something good=20
on the fleamarket I buy it, and often they are funny/great. The kind of=20
records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment I order=20
stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items, so what=20
shall I do? Order the cheapest records from the US and try them out, or=20
buy the more expensive ones that a lot of people have agreed is very=20
great, my money is limited, but I rather pay 20 dollars and 8 dollars=20
shipping costs for a record many people like than buy a record noone=20
else wants for 1 dollar + 8 dollars shipping that stinks.
It is not that easy to find gems. When I follow the guidelines of Jack=20
Diamond, Stefan K=E9ry, Tony Wilds, Johan, Basic Hip and a lot of other=20
people on-list and off-list that I trust I am very seldom not satisfied.
I also think it is great to belong in some sort of group were you can=20
discuss the same thing and not just: Person A: Look at this record, you=20
have never seen it before, it is great, Person B: Yeah, but look at=20
this record, this is great and you have never heard about it!
See my point?
It is however quite groovy to own a record noone knows about who is as=20
good as the other precious LP people rate very high.
I still have about 25 known exotica LP musts, when I get them all,=20
there will probably be 100 more, then maybe it will be private presses,=20
but to finance them I must sell my exotica LPs.


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Subject: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query
Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:50:05 +0100 (CET)



Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list? How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw
the cover and it looked brilliant




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Subject: Re: (exotica) Assholeism
Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:57:27 +0100 (CET)



citerar jim gerwitz <[e-mail]>:

> Jim The Egg Man
> (who hasn't had to bid on a Barbarella LP because someone posted the
whole
> thing on Usenet mp3.soundtracks.)

Does not MP3 sound very digital and compressed?
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Subject: (exotica) finite demand?
Date: 03 Mar 2001 08:11:51 EST


In a message dated 3/1/01 2:47:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I keep the faith that eventually all the people who really want Esquivel on
 vinyl will buy it, and the prices will begin to go down.  I know that the
 supply is finite, but so is the demand.   >>

I can't agree with this.  To me, this is like saying that the demand for
first edition books will go down or the demand for original paintings will
decrease.  There are people who just want the music and don't care what
format it's in, but fanatical collectors are much more interested in whether
it's original pressing or not.  This is why people are still spending lots of
money for original Beatles records when the music is plentiful.

As is the case with great art, literature, etc., more and more people will
discover that Esquivel was great and will collect his originals.  When I was
a kid, Captain Beefheart played at a local bar in town and barely drew a
crowd.  No one bought his records.  Now, his originals pressings are selling
for big $.  I suspect that more people are buying Esquivel records, CDs, etc.
now than when he was active.  Others who were actually aware of Esquivel in
the early 60's might be able to confirm this.

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Subject: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:13:31 +0100 (CET)



Just when you thought you heard enough of ebay...

I am writing this just to tell you of some of the good people dealing
there and the good people around here, I stepped onto this record on
ebay some week ago, purchased it instantly, costed me $8. (Buy it now)
The problem was the seller only shipped to the US, I asked the Exotica
ring people if some american guy/girl on the list could help me out,
recieve it and the ship it to me, I got response from 10 people, all
wanted to help me. When I contacted the seller she told me there were
no problem sending it to Sweden, she just did not know how to fill in
the form on ebay. Very nice girl, and we had some dialogue. After she
had recieved my payments, she sended it out express which costed her
more than the money I had sent her (She told me there were no big
difference). It arrived today (SUNDAY!) and it is Mint. It is an OK
record, not great, maybe after some more listenings.. But it is in my
collection now, and I value it.

So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very
kind people there. And I am not the richest guy in the world.

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Japanese 6Ts Group Sounds
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:25:09 +0100 (MET)


And not to forgett:

V.A. Sixties Japanese Garage Psych Sampler LP, Corumbia CS 36,139 STEREO,
USA 1987
With the Golden Cups, Dynamite, Beavers, Mops, Outcast etc
but also no Tigers
Maybe the first comp with that sound ?

and
V.A. Banzai Freakbeat, Pachinko Records, Lucky 777 CD, ? 199?
This has IMO just one good cut: Hanashitakunai by the Youngsters
no Tigers again

Martin

>> From: [e-mail]
>> Anyone know anything about Japanese band The Tigers?
>> Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka
>
>> From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Re: (exotica) The Tigers
>> I have several lps, singles of Japanese "Group Sounds"
>> (vocal) bands from the 60s. Many of these can be found
>> on tastelessly titled compilation lps through Norton
>> Records.
>
>Tasteless? Ben, their title is 80% the reason why I love to spend my
>money on them!
>They are:
>"Hot Nips", voll. 1 + 2 (Dolemite);
>the Norton catalogue defines them, respectively, as:
>"warped japanese sixties garage combos galore!" (vol. 1) and
>"still mo' nagasaki nuggets" (vol. 2).
>Then there's
>"Slitherama: Monster a Go-Go", with Godzilla on cover (Planet X),
>which gets rated as "klayzee 60's jap-punk - godzilla size lock &
>loll" and
>"Project Blue, vol. 3: Diamonds From The East, Sixties Lost Punk
>Gems From Hong Kong Bands" (Destination X).
>All these are pure vinyl only, and the latter is only available from
>my pal Scanna, who +compiled it.
>As starters I'd# suggest:
>"G.S. I Love You - Japanese* Garage Bands of the 60's" and
>"G.S. I Love You Too", cds on Big Beat, which the mighty Hitomi
>helped compile.’
>No Tigers on any of them, though.
>
>Sayonara
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:29:39 +0100 (CET)



citerar Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]>:

>costed me $8. (Buy it now)

It costed $6



>It arrived today (SUNDAY!)

It is off course Saturday

Sorry
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos
Date: 03 Mar 2001 06:07:34 -0800 (PST)


Cool record. Took me a few plays to appreciate it. I
bought it for the artwork on the back cover. I picked
up Bob Thompson's The Sound of Speed at the same
thrify for the same reason (and because it was BT)...
but have not yet been able to listen to it all the way
through.

--- Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> citerar Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]>:
>
> >costed me $8. (Buy it now)
>
> It costed $6


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:14:15 +0100 (CET)



citerar Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>:

>
> Cool record. Took me a few plays to appreciate it. I
> bought it for the artwork on the back cover

Well the front is not bad either, quite thrilling. But I relly like the
backcover illustrations, every girl in the world should see it so they
understand man's occasional odd behaviour. ;)

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Subject: RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:38:21 +0100


Magnus wrote:

> So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very
> kind people there. And I am not the richest guy in the world.

I agree with Magnus. I have been buying on Ebay for about a year now and I
have encountered a few very kind dealers who know what they are selling and
are willing to do a little extra effort for their customers. It's also true
that for us Europeans Ebay is a great way to buy (America) records that we
wouldn't be able to buy at markets or thrift stores in a million years.

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Subject: RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:54:02 +0100 (CET)



citerar "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>:

>
> Marco wrote:

It's also true
> that for us Europeans Ebay is a great way to buy (America) records
that we
> wouldn't be able to buy at markets or thrift stores in a million
years.

Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the
funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, My spirit will
watch over them and if someone buys them I will follow him home, and if
he/she does not like the record I will haunt him: I paid 40 dollars for
that record 50 years ago! Now I aim to spook!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:02:59 -0500



>If you have very little money, then you shouldn't be shopping
>at trendy record boutiques and high traffic auctions... You should
>haunt thrift stores, go to swap meets, search out garage sales,

As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
disappearing! Instead of lugging their boxes around, they're staying at
home in their jammies and putting the "choice" items on... EBAY. Not an
unreasonable choice from their point of view, but it leaves me out of luck
for my $1 thrill of the unknown. Or occasional hot find. (And no, I will
not buy from eBay, and will not bore you with the reasons why.)

It's not just a matter of whether or not eBay influences pricing overall.
It's a matter of possibly closing off outlets of availability.

Is anyone else seeing this disappearance?

I also worry about what they're doing with the "non-choice" records. I sure
hope they're not trashing them. I can't imagine they're putting them eBay...

"Joe Schlabotnik and the Brass Railers - Polka Cha Cha Singalong
Vinyl in rough condition, several deep gouges on Side Two.
Cover seams split, with large tear across front. Mild mildew growth.
Water stains on back. Odor ranking of 7.
Minimum bid $0.50"

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Date: 03 Mar 2001 09:11:13 -0800


At 02:13 PM 03-03-01 +0100, Magnus wrote:
>So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very
>kind people there.

Because it is "virtual", Ebay is sometimes viewed with suspicion and
concern than other more limited shopping experiences.  And, of course, it
is an auction, which makes it even more treacherous.

Certainly, the term "let the buyer beware" applies.

HOWEVER, I consider Ebay (or any internet auction service...it just so
happens ebay is the largest and thus capable of serving up a wider variety
of items) a major service for me.

After making at least 400 purchases through Ebay in the last two
years...everything from furniture to miniature Coke bottles (and, of
course, records), I have had only had a few difficulties...and usually
because of
the post office or some miscommunication.

Many of these items I would never have found in any other way!  The Coke
bottles I mentioned I had been searching for at every second hand store I
walked into for the past 32 years.  Once I did a search on ebay I found 7
of them within a month!

And the people I encounter are usually very nice, helpful, considerate.
Certainly they benefit from it financially, but I get something I am
interested in at a price I can afford (otherwise, why did I bid that amount?).

If you can control your own bidding, remember the mailing costs, get over
the winning-losing frame of mind and take proper precautions when
conducting a transaction, ebay is a wonderful thing and the people who
participate in it, buyers and sellers, all benefit.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay
Date: 03 Mar 2001 18:41:11 +0100 (CET)



citerar [e-mail]:


>Coke bottles,

I used to collect those too, I had about ten different volume sizes. I
wonder how many there are... Some from Jugoslavia and Greece. Sorry
Byron, they were lost when I moved to an own apartment otherwise I
would have given them to you. Actually I dont have anything to collect
that is cheap, In fleamarkets I first check LPs, if I dont find any I
check books, then art. But fun thriftstore art is as rare here as
exotica. It is basically the same prints everywere. And finding a
hawaiian shirt that is goodlooking is impossible. So is Tikimugs.  I
have found one tiki item, A very nice porcelain (correct spelling?)
statue of Ku. And some year ago Adam Axelsson found two mugs from
Kahiki.

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Subject: (exotica) Magnus!
Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:57:44 -0600


Magnus wrote:


Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away,
the
funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, My spirit
will
watch over them and if someone buys them I will follow him home, and
if
he/she does not like the record I will haunt him: I paid 40 dollars
for
that record 50 years ago! Now I aim to spook!
                *************************
Magnus, that is the funniest thought, I love the way your mind
works.  If you ask me, that sounds like a pilot for a new WB TV
series, right along with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  LOL




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Subject: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:14:49 -0600


Hi Gang,
I was telling my brother in law that you guys were the smarted group
of people in the world when it came to exotica music.  He has a
request for you.  He has an LP called Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort
Garson on Electra SKS74009.  Each track is related to a Zodiac sign,
ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the
backround.  It is pretty cool.  His question: Does anyone know aboout
this record or the guy who made it?  Also, although he had it put on
CD, it still sounds VERY scratchy, is it possible to digitally get
out those sounds?  Or is there another copy out there he could
purchase?
Thanks.


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Subject: (exotica) Jonathan Perl
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:43:54 +0000


Sorry, I'm trying to get in touch with this (former?) lister.
His [e-mail] account is dead.
Jonny, are you reading? If so, please e-mail me off-list.
Anyone knows another account?
Thank you, and now back the scheduled program.
Ciao
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Subject: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:24:33 -0600


Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
or not you care for the music?  I'm just curious.  Colleen/sounding a
little like Alan...


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Subject: (exotica) Casino Royale airings
Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:47:08 -0500


"Casino Royale" (1967) pops up on AMC this Monday at 2:00pm, 8:00pm and
1:15am (eastern). The late night showing is supposed to be in letterbox format.

Then again, same day, TCM has "What's New Pussycat?" (1966) at 6:00pm, if
you'd like an additional Ursula Andress fix.

Hmmm, furthermore, on Wednesday, TCM airs "The Thomas Crown Affair" (1968)
at 6:15pm and "Breakfast at Tiffany's" (1961) at 8:00pm.

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Subject: (exotica) The lyrics to "Deep Night" + pic of a Buzzimba
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:01:58 +0100 (CET)




Anybody have that? I need it. I know most of it but there are a few
lines I dont know.

And does anybody have a picture of a buzzimba?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay
Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:37:09 -0800


Byron oh so correctly pointed out:

> Many of these items I would never have found in any other way! <

This is the key to it for me - a factor so important that it just cannot be
overlooked.

If there is something specific you are after, it is the first place to go.
For example, I am constantly after two things in particular:  fred lowery
memoribila as well as obscure whistlers and bird recordings on 78, and
vintage radio commercials / jingles / spots produced for broadcast use only.

I could spend a weekend driving all over the San Francisco bay area,
checking thrift stores, garage sales, used record stores, flea markets,
estate sales and I'll betcha I'll come home empty handed.  Maybe I'll find
"whistle a happy tune", but I've got that one :)

So I go to ebay, where I have "Fred Lowery", "whistling", "radio
commercials", "radio spots", "advertising LPs", etc bookmarked and can
locate them almost any given day.

For those of you who have had unpleasant ebay experiences, you have my
sypmpathies.  In the two years I've used it, 99% of my transactions have
been pleasant.  I've found stuff that I never would have found otherwise.
Like the sonovox kiddie 78s on Jacklee, "Whizzer" and "Chug Chug in Lollypop
Town".  True, you don't need ebay to find Martin Denny, but for diggin' up
specialty items, it's the way to go.

If you have never used it ebay and avoid it "just because", I'll continue to
try to sway you because I think you are missing out on a a valuable source
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:45:21 -0800



> Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
> Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
> And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
> that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
> or not you care for the music?

As one writer pointed out, why buy the LP when you can download the whole
thing in MP3 format from some site.  Then there are others that only the LP
will do - they want the actual object, the real thing, nothing else will do.
A CD or CD-R will suffice until they find it then the CD goes in grandma's
attic (or worse).  They want to feel it, touch it, smell it.

Like Sean said.

I certainly prefer my records to CD's, they just make me feel better.

I never buy for the cover and always open sealed records.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:38:11 EST


In a message dated 3/3/01 9:03:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
 ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
 hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
 disappearing! Instead of lugging their boxes around, they're staying at
 home in their jammies and putting the "choice" items on... EBAY. Not an
 unreasonable choice from their point of view, but it leaves me out of luck
 for my $1 thrill of the unknown. Or occasional hot find. (And no, I will
 not buy from eBay, and will not bore you with the reasons why.)

 It's not just a matter of whether or not eBay influences pricing overall.
 It's a matter of possibly closing off outlets of availability.

 Is anyone else seeing this disappearance? >>

I have; a local indie store recently closed down, leaving a sign saying to
"check (their) auctions on eBay". (of course since their stock was mostly
crap and they dealt more with Pearl Jam and No Doubt video bootlegs it was no
big loss).  I've also seen quite a few "about me" pages where the seller says
s/he used to have a store, but closed it down to concentrate on eBay, etc. So
there have been a few dealers "migrating" to eBay.  (not that it's a part of
eBay's Evil Plan for World Domination, but it's happening)  In a way you
can't blame them; why go through all the bother of lugging boxes all over the
place, having to deal with hagglers and shoplifters, etc., when you can just
do it all (mostly) hassle-free at home?
Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale run
and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they're
holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and
not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were
"valuable".  (I think the ultimate was when I saw a xxth-pressing Beatles
record for $20 and an Eagles record for $10!!! I just laughed my ass off at
that one.)  Has anyone else noticed this particular trend?
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:51:17 -0500


>From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
>>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
>that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
>or not you care for the music?  I'm just curious.  Colleen/sounding a
>little like Alan...
>
For the music. I have a few Esquivel records someone gave me but they are in
a box somewhere. nice to have and look at but I listen to the CD's. It's
easier.

With all this talk of ebay and dealers I have to tell you about a trip to a
record store in New Hapshire. Lots of great records a lot of them going for
$60 (Julie's Calender Girl) to $100 (Ray Charles and Betty Carter). I went
down to the celler ($2 a pop) a picked up a few nice things with bad records
covers. You know ripped and taped or mono. Pat Suzuki and Bob Crewe, Linda
Lawson. The guy was on his computer all the time. Told me was totally into
ebay.  ([e-mail]) I can imagine him going thru the bins
and posting what he things would sell.

Told me that in the spring he has to beat people off with a stick they come
in loaded with records from spring cleaning. Hey. He's got a good thing
going. Maybe I should open a record store?

I saw soo much neat stuff I would like to play on my radio show....but hey,
it's under glass ready for some collector.

I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for
$15.

And I think Jack Diamond was a little agast when I told him, in the Luxuria
chat, that I hardly spend more than $2 for a reccord. My wife hates the damm
musty things anyways.


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Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:57:06 -0800


At 12:24 PM 03-03-01 -0600, Colleenwrote:
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
No, not just for either.

>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?
Yes.

>Or do you want
>that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
>or not you care for the music?
No.

But, of course, rarely is anything purely black or white...and my answers
could easily go the other way.  It all depends.

I purchase an LP primarilly for the music, but will pay more if it has a cool
cover.  I will pay for the cover only or the record only if I hope to unite
them some day, but don't like just having a cover.  I would buy a record for
the cover if very cheap.

That is my take on it.  I know there are folks out there who really want
that album cover art and could care less about the record.  I want the
record in good shape even if I buy the album for the cover and even if I
don't like the music.  Yes, that sounds dumb, but I just like to keep
things together as they originally were produced.

I am less apt to pay high money for an LP which is out on CD...but I do
want to own the LP because it is more original and I get the large scale
cover art.  So, I own all of the Esquivel CDs that I know are out there and
only some of the LPs.  If I ever see one of the LPs that I do not have and
already have a CD of, I will want to buy it...but only if it costs less
than the CD cost!

Your last question nags at me occasionally, for I have bought records which
other people consider really great...yet I neither like the cover nor the
music.  You would think I would rush out to sell the darn thing (which I
bought for 10-99 cents) and get a nice profit.  But something tells me that
I will eventually grow to like the music...so I keep it.  However, I do
wonder if I keep it just to say I own it!

I may eventually change my mind when I have more records than storage
capacity...or less spending money.

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Subject: (exotica) Ghosts of Vinyl
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:56:49 -0500


>Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the
>funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket,

We always stop at this used furniture/junk store. Mostly estate stuff. Today
I stop in and they tell me they just put out a box. Awesome! The first
person there! ItÆs not picked over! What do I find? Stones, Cat Stevens,
Bruce Springfield? "What!!", I ask the clerk. "People of my generation
already dying?"

But I did pick up something I overlooked before.

Anthony Newley "Tells the Ultimate love story For You from the book by
Jennings Cobb". Original score Composed and Conducted by Neely Plumb. (Newly
hugging a nekkid chick on the back cover, kinds of looks like EVE Plumb ;Æ))

The first paragraph of the linear notes: ôTo begin, place this record on
your record player, dim the lights, and take your favorite member of the
opposite sex in your arms. If your fully dressed at the end of the record,
perhaps you should discuss your early childhood with your analyst.ö

Listening to it now, Newley reciting the poems with mello orchestration. Its
going into the Martini Mix.

I also picked up an 8 track! Someone on the list send me a Moe Koffman album
and itÆs the only reason I picked this up: Moe Koffman Museum Pieces from
1978. Sounds interesting. 4 tracks.
1) Museum Piece Dinosaurs 9:15
2) Rocks(Mineralogy) Digs (Archeology) 9:30
3) Evolution Blues PharoahÆs Dream 9:30
4) Wildlife (Mammalogy) Days Gone By (Egyptology) 9:20

If anybody wants it just email me.

I'll tell you if the record worked.....tomorrow.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:14:58 -0800



>Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort
> Garson on Electra SKS74009.  Each track is related to a Zodiac sign,
> ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the
> backround.  It is pretty cool.  His question: Does anyone know aboout
> this record or the guy who made it?  Also, although he had it put on
> CD, it still sounds VERY scratchy, is it possible to digitally get
> out those sounds?  Or is there another copy out there he could
> purchase?

That's a great record, !  Mort Garson did some really wild and trippy stuff.
Keep an eye out for these:

The Wozard of Iz (mind altering substances recommended)
Electronic Hair Pieces
The Unexplained
Black Mass Lucifer
Music for Sensuous Lovers (moaning and groaning and slurping sounds with
electronic noodling)

Then there was one for your plants as well as a complete series dedicated to
the signs.  One record for each sign!

I use Sonic Foundry to remove pops, clicks and surface noise, and the
results are hit and miss.  Experince was taught me to use these features
sparingly.  Some recordings respond better than others.  Pops and clicks are
sometimes mistaken for sharp percussive effects, so the actual music is
distorted.  I prefer sampling surface noise during a quiet passage and
removing it from "underneath" the music.  if the record is really beat up,
it's pretty hard to revive - all the noise just turns into muffled noise.

This record was a reissue a couple of years ago - Jack Diamond may still
have it.

Of course, you could just head on over to ebay and type in Mort Garson and
Bingo! You'll get three hits:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&Sort
Property=MetaEndSort&query=%22mort+garson%22

Which is my point exactly regarding ebay.  If you want it, there it is.
Sure it may cost you thirty bucks, but at least you now have the
*opportunity* to get it.  Unless the vinyl gods are with you, that is not
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Subject: RE: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 21:24:43 +0100


Colleen wrote:

> Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
> Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
> And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?

For me it's a combination of various factors. I buy most of my music on CD
nowadays (and lots of 'em!), but I keep buying vinyl albums mostly for the
look and "feel" of them. If a new release comes out on both CD and LP I go
for the CD, because I find that much easier to use. Most vinyl that I buy
now will - most likely - never come out on CD. For example, I just bought
these LPs on Ebay:
a Little Marcy LP, a Merrill Womach LP, 'Mallet magic' by Harry Breuer and
'Sounds in space' with narration by Ken Nordine. I will listen to them all,
but the 'Sounds in Space' is mainly for the cover. The one by Harry Breuer
is for the music though.
There's one record that I absolutely HAD to have on vinyl, even though I
already had it on CD: AndrΘ Popp's 'Delirium in hi fi'. I love that record
so much, that I didn't have to think twice about paying 35 bucks for it.
I would never pay that much for a Little Marcy LP!

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Subject: RE: (exotica) Magnus!
Date: 03 Mar 2001 21:24:42 +0100


Colleen wrote:

> Magnus, that is the funniest thought, I love the way your mind
> works.  If you ask me, that sounds like a pilot for a new WB TV
> series, right along with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  LOL

Magnus the Friendly Ghost!?

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Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:25:03 EST


In a message dated 3/3/01 2:59:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Colleen writes:

<<   He has an LP called Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort
 Garson on Electra SKS74009.  Each track is related to a Zodiac sign,
 ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the
 backround.  It is pretty cool.  His question: Does anyone know aboout
 this record or the guy who made it?   >>

The lyrics were written and spoken by Jacques Wilson whom I know very little
about.  The music is by Mort Garson who has produced several other incredibly
strange classics including "The Wozard of Iz" an electronic, 60's
hippie-oriented spoof on the Wizard of Oz.  "Black Mass" (by Lucifer) is a
great spooky electronic work.  Its almost-as-good cousin is "The
Unexplained", credited to Ataraxia, but it's all Garson.

Garson and Wilson did a series of 12 records, one devoted to each Zodiac
sign, but these are not nearly as good as Zodiac Cosmic Sounds.  The
instrumentation is all electronic (no sitars, guitars, or percussion) and the
music is very much in the background. Garson's "Music for Sensuous Lovers by
Z" is a recording of a woman moaning orgasmically to Moogy background music.
It's o.k. but not great.  He has another one called "Plantasia" (electronic
music to help your plants grow).  I have heard mixed reviews of that one,
too.  He made a few other LPs which aren't worth mentioning.  If I missed any
good ones, I'm sure someone else on the list will let us know.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:27:01 -0500



> >Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort
> > Garson on Electra SKS74009.
>
>Which is my point exactly regarding ebay.  If you want it, there it is.
>Sure it may cost you thirty bucks, but at least you now have the
>*opportunity* to get it.  Unless the vinyl gods are with you, that is not
>the kind of record you'll find in the dollar bins.

I did!  ^_-

But now that dealer's gone.

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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:39:24 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of basic hip
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:15 PM

> Keep an eye out for these:
>
> The Wozard of Iz (mind altering substances recommended)

Since someone mentioned usenet earlier:

The Wozard of Iz was posted maybe a few days ago in
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970s.

Later,
Ben

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Kenyon Hopkins query
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:41:59 EST


In a message dated 3/3/01 2:59:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, magnus writes:

<< Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list? How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw
 the cover and it looked brilliant >>

It's music for a ballet.  The music is a little more dissonant and difficult
than most of Hopkins' soundtracks.  There are occasional elements of the
crime jazz, noir sound that Hopkins is famous for, but it is a slightly
different side of Hopkins.  I don't treasure it above The Hustler, Baby Doll,
or The Yellow Canary soundtracks, but if you're a Hopkins fanatic, you should
have a copy.  It's quite rare.  It might be a while before you see another
copy.  I suspect that you, being a huge Phil Moore fan, would probably dig
it.  It has elements of jazz and classical music like some of Moore's work.

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:01:03 -0800


At 12:24 PM 03-03-01 -0600, Colleen wrote:
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?

Some records I have bought because the covers were great, but these were thrifted. Some I have bought because I liked the artist but had great covers (Raymond Scott "This Time With Strings" for example). Some I have bought because I was interested in the artist and then the cover turns out to be far better than the music (Ortolani's "Women of the World" for example.) Often a good cover does its job, it appeals to my senses enough and I pick it up and half the time buy it. But many times I wont buy it just because the cover is cool if I know that it's going to be boring because I know the group or composer. I actually used to do that a lot but my vinyl graveyard just kept growing too big and it just wasn't worth spending the money. Recently I picked up Ornette Coleman's "This Is Our Music" because I had never seen it before and loved the cover so much. I knew I was going to put it in a record frame. However I love Coleman anyway, so it was one of those win/win deals. There are some older jazz records with covers I find such amazing examples of graphic design that I really want to hunt them down for the art, but I highly doubt it will result in music I won't want to listen to or play for others.

This leads me to wonder what some people's favorite covers and/or record packing is in their collections.

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From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:04:44 -0600


While you're surfing through the (virtual) record racks at ebay, tune
in this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast.

You'll find Latin spice by Esquivel, Mongo Santamaria, Chaquito
and Bob Florence;  crime jazz from "Burke's Law" and "77 Sunset
Strip";  Louis Prima's rockin' organist Little Richie Varola;  tunes by
Googie Rene, Mel Henke and Vinnie Bell;  plus relatively new stuff
from Astroslut, Project Pimento and Arling and Cameron.

To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just visit:

http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html

Requires RealPlayer and a minimum 28.8 Internet connection.
When you visit, enter our weekly giveaway and tour the album
cover gallery!

As always, comments and requests are welcome.

Ringraziarlo per lo spazio!


Darrell Brogdon
The Retro Cocktail Hour
KANU FM 91.5
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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 22:21:56 +0100 (CET)



citerar "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>:

> This leads me to wonder what some people's favorite covers and/or
record
> packing is in their collections.


Danny Guglielmis and Dena's "Adventures in sound", "Dinner music for a
pack of hungry cannibals" by Dave Harris, "Space Escapade" by Les
Baxter, "Countdown" by Jimmie Haskell. The Frankie Stein covers and
much much more... Different styles but I love em all. It is amazing,
when I first started seeing these covers on the net -95 I was amazed.
Then when I started hearing them I was even more amazed. I still are, I
cant believe this is real, NOTHING CAN BE THIS COOL!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Barbarella 2001
Date: 03 Mar 2001 16:46:19 EST


Lou must be on a day off, so here goes......

Cambridge, MA - If Jane Fonda could remake one of her films, she says she
would produce a feminist "Barbarella", tweaking the 1968 science-fiction cult
classic that opens with her performing a strip-tease.  Describing the movie
as "toxic to my heart", the result of low self-esteem, and an ingrained
belief that she should please the men in her life, Fonda joined with the
Harvard Graduate School of Education yesterday to call for new research and
curriculums to help girls and boys avoid thinking that they should act a
certain way because of their gender.  The School of Education announced that
Fonda has made the largest individual donation in its history, $12.5 million,
to support her cause by creating a center on gender and
education........Boston Globe, Saturday, March 3, 2001


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Subject: RE: (exotica) Barbarella 2001
Date: 03 Mar 2001 23:03:44 +0100



> Fonda has made the largest individual donation in its history,
> $12.5 million,
> to support her cause by creating a center on gender and
> education........

Damn, for that money she could have bought all members of this list a copy
of the Barbarella soundtrack.

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Subject: Re:  RE: (exotica) Barbarella 2001
Date: 03 Mar 2001 17:31:03 EST



In a message dated 3/3/1 5:04:36 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>> Fonda has made the largest individual donation in its history,
>
>> $12.5 million,
>
>> to support her cause by creating a center on gender and
>
>> education........
>
>
>
>Damn, for that money she could have bought all members of this list a copy
>
>of the Barbarella soundtrack.

It just goes to show that she has yet to make peace with a 33 year old
past....interesting, eh?


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From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) speaking of Zodiac
Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:57:29 -0800


Colleen had asked about the Zodiac Cosmic Sounds.

I'm sure alot of you know about another cool one about the signs of the
Zodiac, but for those that don't and like that sort of thing, keep an eye
peeled for:

Soul Zodiac
The Nat Adderley Sextet, written and narrated by Rick Holmes
1972 Capitol Records SVBB 11025

A gatefold, double LP featuring the very deep and soulful exhortations of
Rick Holmes, a Los Angeles radio personality.  he had a nightly show on
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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kapp Records
Date: 03 Mar 2001 17:55:19 -0500


Kapp also had their "4 Corners Of The World" imprint. Referencing an inner
sleeve, there were albums from...

Francoise Hardy
The Barclay Singers
Boulou
Lolita
Gunter Kallmann
England's Famous Band Of The Lifeguards
Jorge Renan & His Guitar Combo
Digno Garcia
Teddy Mertens
Bert Dahlander
The Miracle Of Lourdes: A Live Recording Of A Pilgrimage To Lourdes
Jose Guardiola
Los Mayas
Coronados
Keith & Ken with The Jamaican Steel Band
Kyriakos and His Orchestra
Sergio Franchi
Claudio Villa
The Little Singers Of Milano
Milva

And didn't Kapp have some garage/psych bands on the roster? Yes? No?

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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, March 4
Date: 03 Mar 2001 18:03:42 -0500


Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.

Space Bop #132   Italian Lounge Beat Party

This week, we're playing some groovy tunes from Italy - mainly from the 60s
and 70s.

Roberto Fogu:  Una Vergine Da Rubare  "Ninfadelica"
Nico Fidenco:  Super Colpo da 7 Miliardi (Strade di Londra)  "Italian Lounge
Beat Party"
Lee Selmoco Orchestra:  Blue Media  "Easy Tempo"
Armando Trovajoli:  Beat Trombone  "(Italian Girls Like) Ear-Catching
Melodies"
Sandro Brugnolini & Luigi Malatesta:  Bakenda Beat  "Beat Vol. 1 - Lounge At
Cinevox"

Riz Ortolani:  The Roaring Twenties  "(Italian Girls Like) Ear-Catching
Melodies"
Giorgio Carnini:  Piccolo Ma Beat  "Ninfadelica"
Romano Mussolini:  Blues For Alexandra  "Easy Tempo"
Bruno Nicolai:  Eugenie  "Ninfadelica"

Lee Selmoco:  Itinerario B  "Mosaico Psichedelico"
Armando Trovajoli:  Sessomatto  "Easy Tempo"
Piero Piccioni:  The Chase  "The 10th Victim"
Piero Umiliani:  Samba Mah Na  "Svezia Inferno e Paradiso"

Puccio Roelens:  Due Per Due  "Beat Psichedelico Alla Celluloide"
Ennio Morricone:  4 Mosche Di Velluto Grigio  "Beat Vol. 2 - Lounge At
Cinevox"
A. Sciascia & C. Anselmo:  Fast Finger Fun  "Beat Psichedelico Alla
Celluloide"
Piero Piccioni:  Ti Ho Sposato Per Allegria (Shake - New Edit)  "Italian
Lounge Beat Party"


Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening.


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Subject: (exotica) Ira Ironstrings
Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:13:56 -0800


Most of us know that Louis F. Busch has one pseudonym: Joe "Fingers" Carr.

Now I wonder whether he had two.

Ira Ironstrings did a number of Warner Brothers LPs produced by Busch and
arranged by Busch.  The question is...who was Ira Ironstrings?

On the cover of, I think, the first Ira Ironstrings Warner Brothers LP, there
is a picture of a guy who looks like Joe "Fingers" Carr (and, of course,
Lou Busch) carrying a banjo and wearing a Roman toga in front of a store
front (the implication was that he was Nero about to watch the business go
up in flames).

Now, the real story might be revealed in this album:
Joe "Fingers" Carr and Ira Ironstrings Together for the First Time, Warner
Brothers WBS-1389

This one appears to be the last of four WB Ira Ironstrings albums.

Anyone have an answer here?

Right now I believe Lou=Joe=Ira.

Byron


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love"
Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:19:44 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the
> funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket,...

I'm sure Stefan Kery will get all of them before that happens!

Mo

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From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 03 Mar 2001 17:49:28 -0600


At 2:38 PM 3/3/01, [e-mail] wrote:
>Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale ru=
n
>and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they'=
re
>holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and
>not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were
>"valuable". ....  Has anyone else noticed this particular trend?

More in antique stores than anyplace else. It's hard to tell if the rising
prices are due to eBay or general inflation. I'm kind of surprised you're
finding this trend at garage sales, David. I'd think the time and hassle
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:00:18 -0500


> I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for
> $15.

I think they then paid Dick Van Dyke $20 to shut him up afterwards.

Oddly enough, just 30 minutes ago I finished watching a video of the old Dick
Van Dyke /Ann Margaret musical 'Bye Bye Birdie', circa 1961.

Pretty sappy movie .... however one of the best scenes is when Rosie (Dick's
girlfriend) decides to have a hot night on the town at the wildest club in town
.... and discovers a full scale Shriner meeting happening in the basement, with
everyone wearing a fez.  The scene ends with all the Shriners chasing Rosie
around the room.  The music for this scene has a bit of an exotic middle east
flavor, but for the most part is dominated by the Pop/Tin pan alley sound.

My question.  Are there any other movies from that era that feature such scenes
of partying Shriners?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:13:50 -0500


At 01:50 PM 3/3/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
>
>
>Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list?

I try to be.

How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw
>the cover and it looked brilliant

It looked brilliant from the cover?  Unfortunately I can understand that.
But I never heard of it.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:54:07 -0500


At 02:38 PM 3/3/01 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale run
>and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying
they're
>holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and
>not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were
>"valuable".

When I was getting rid of records last Fall, I would look at ebay and  try
to decide what would sell there and what wouldn't.  If nobody was bidding
on a record or if a lot of people had it up for auction, I sold it for a
buck or so at a used record store rather than hold onto it for my eventual
ebay auctions.
I guess I could have held onto all of them but I can't tell you how
liberating it was to get a thousand records out of here, records I never
played, records I only kept because they supposedly "fit into my collection".
It was my experience that the vast majority of pretty good lounge/exotica
records were getting no bids whatsoever.
From a buyer's point of view, the problem with ebay is the starting bid
price.  You almost never see a record start at less than five dollars.
So the cheapest record I can buy will cost me almost 25 Canadian Dollars.
Before ebay that was about the most I'd pay for any record.
If you go to ebay for the odd "collector's record" that you've never seen
anywhere else or it's been on your want list forever, then that kind of
makes sense.  If you end up paying fifty bucks for something you've always
wanted, that can be rationalized.  You can't really put a price on
something you've always wanted.
But when it comes to your average vaguely interesting record, ebay is bad
news for buyers.
And not that good for sellers either.  Most of them don't sell.
There's no question there are less records out there in the world because
of ebay hording.  I can't believe the crap people put on ebay with a
minimum bid of five or ten or even fifteen dollars.
That's the problem. Not the Free Design records but the Roger Williams
records.

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:56:01 -0500


At 02:51 PM 3/3/01 -0500, Domenic Ciccone wrote:
>
>I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for
>$15.

That's neither an uncommon record nor a very good one.  If you really want
that, you will find it for less than 15.

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From: "Dr Chris R. Tame" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge
Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:50:32 +0000


In article <[e-mail]>,
Colleen Pyles <[e-mail]> writes
>
>I wanted to add to Vern's listing of his favorite "Ultra Lounge"
>comps. with my favorites:
>I also like Mondo Exotica -Vol 1
>             Saxophobia    Vol 12  track 14 Ebb Tide is good
>
>              Crime Scene  Vol 7   it's just sexy
>              Rhapsodesia  forget what vol #  didn't think I'd like it
>                            but I loved it!
>On the other hand, I did not like "A Bachelor in Paris" at all.
>
>
>I found a really neat comp called "Music for a Bachelor's Den" which
>has Linda Lawson's version "Like Young". (I just love that tune).
>
>Thought I'd share,
>Colleen
>
>
>
> Colleen

I've now bought these and I agree, they're all excellent.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:40:02 -0500


At 12:24 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>
>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
>that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
>or not you care for the music?  I'm just curious.  Colleen/sounding a
>little like Alan...

I have no clever comeback for that last comment.
Before answering questions like this, I always like to point out the
difference between a collector and an accumulator.
Buying a record for the cover is something an accumulator might do.  A
collector might also do it but only if the collector is also an accumulator.
Myself I am no longer an accumulator and I was never a collector.
When I went through a bin of records, I would stop everytime I saw
something that looked cool.  Anything that was unfamiliar.  Anything with
certain kinds of imagery.   A naked woman trying to cover herself with
slabs of black vinyl.
I could give a million examples but I'm sure everyone here knows what I'm
talking about.
If I liked the cover but I was pretty sure I wouldn't like the music, I
would pay up to a dollar for it.
If I really loved the cover but I was sure I wouldn't like the music, I
might pay five dollars.  But that hardly ever happened.
If I liked the cover and I thought there was a chance I'd like the music,
I'd pay up to five dollars for it.  But that also hardly ever happened.
Most of the times I bought a record just for the cover, I was at a thrift
store and it was fifty cents or less.
And usually, even if I bought a record mostly for the cover, I had some
hope I'd actually like the record inside.
When it comes to the thousands of records I bought when I was on my lounge,
exotica, easy listening journey, you can't really separate the cover from
the music.  My pursuit of those records was based on the whole thing they
represented for me.  And the cover was inextricably part of it.
And that's why I almost never bought the CD reissues.
The music divorced from the original packaging seemed strange and
out-of-place to me.  Disembodied.
As you know, I've now gotten rid of 90% of my lounge/exotica records and
when I listen to that music, I listen on CDR's that I made myself from my
ex-accumulation.
You could say that it's disembodied.
But I learned a long time ago that it's harder for me to like a record if I
don't own it.
The fact that I once owned these records obviously makes my CD's easier to
listen to than the CD's containing music I've never owned on LP.
What else did you ask?
Do I want records simply because they're rare even if I don't like them
myself?
The short answer is yes, though I would substitute "cool" for rare.
Yes I have that in me.  But I'm always trying to get it out of me.  And I'm
always trying to get rid of the records I keep only because I think someday
someone will come to my house and be impressed that I have that record.
The fact that it's been years since someone actually went through my
records is one of the things that makes it easier to get rid of that
"weakness".
But it will probably always be a factor.
I told a story here, a year or so ago, about my relationship to Fela
records.  It's the same issue.

I have ten records framed on the wall and about fifty on a shelf just because.

Of the ten framed records, two are by Don Lonie, two are on Audio Fidelity
and feature that fat moustachioed guy that ended up on a lot of their
covers (he sort of looks like Sergeant Garcia from the old Zorro series)
My favorite record cover is a tie between one by Richard Hayman which I
call the "date rape" cover and an obscure on by the "comedian" Hap Happy.

pheewww....

AZ



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Subject: Re:  (exotica) Kapp Records
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:40:21 EST



In a message dated 3/3/1 5:55:44 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Kapp also had their "4 Corners Of The World" imprint. Referencing an inner
>sleeve, there were albums from...

in addition to mace's references ..  also on Four Corners was ..  "Roses Are
Red My Love, Baby Violets Are Blue" by the You Know Who Group  ..
Ultra-Garage Rock...JB/one of the few rawk 45's saved in the kullekshun..ALSO
ON KAPP--The Searchers first LP


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:43:37 EST



In a message dated 3/3/1 7:07:12 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Are there any other movies from that era that feature such scenes
>of partying Shriners?

OK Vern, time to tap into the "Partying Shriners" genre....anyone? anyone????


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Subject: (exotica) Mort garson
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:48:17 -0500


At 12:14 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>
>  His question: Does anyone know aboout
>this record or the guy who made it?

It's true that Mort made an unusual number of crazy moogy records like the
Zodiac ones and the Wozard of Id one.
But like all these guys, he was also involved in a ton of more "normal"
records.
When I come across some generic-looking Now Sound record, if I find a name
like Mort's on the back  - or George Cates or Jack Pleis etc - it gives me
a little hope. It will probably be okay and maybe it will be more than okay.
One such Mort Garson record is "Symphony of Soul" by "Total Eclipse"
(though it could be reversed) which is a pretty good heavily orchestrated
Now Sound thing.
I know I had a bunch of others but they're gone now.
Doesn't spaceagepop have a Mort Garson page?

AZ



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:49:10 EST



In a message dated 3/3/1 7:52:55 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>From a buyer's point of view, the problem with ebay is the starting bid
>price.  You almost never see a record start at less than five dollars.

Why would anyone in their right mind bother to deal with the headache that IS
Ebay for UNDER fi'dolla  (no holla')...Its simply not worth the aggravation
(to me, anyway)...JB


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge
Date: 03 Mar 2001 21:51:25 EST


Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series (Brunettes, I
think) "Where the Flamingos Fly" and I also nabbed one off something called
Betty Boop Musical Cabaret, which has her doing "Up Pops Love."  Her sole
album is very collectable and hard to find and hasn't been issued on CD.  She
was a regular on the 50s exotic TV series Adventures in Paradise.

> I found a really neat comp called "Music for a Bachelor's Den" which
>has Linda Lawson's version "Like Young". (I just love that tune).
>
>Thought I'd share,
>Colleen
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Subject: (exotica) LP to CD (Martin Denny, Polynesian Percussion)
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:54:39 -0800


Howdy folks. The nice folks at Mai Tai Records (uh, that would be me)
have finally taken the plunge into LP to CD mastering. The conversion
software (CD Spin Doctor) actually works and sounds pretty good.

These are the LPs I converted
Martin Denny - Exotic Percussion
Martin Denny - Latin Village   (these two on a "two-fer" CD)

Si Zetner and Martin Denny - Exotica Suite (written by Les Baxter)

George Cates - Polynesian Percussion (Hawaiian Exotica)

Mark Renwick, Tiki Bob, and Paul Wages: in return for all your past
generosity I'll be sending you these unless you would prefer I don't
(sorry, Mark, it was these Denny LPs I had, not Exotic Love).

If anyone else would like a copy, just let me know. I am eager to accept
trades but that is not essential.

Aloha,
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Date: 03 Mar 2001 22:55:44 EST



In a message dated 3/3/1 9:52:10 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series .  She
>was a regular on the 50s exotic TV series Adventures in Paradise.

Are DVD's or videos of this available? I have mega-dim mammaries of this show
as an infant swathed in B&W TV-pioneering...JB


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Subject: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:57:44 -0800


Almost every one of the CD-Rs I've received over the years from other
poeple has come without a label on the CD. Many have, however, come with
excellent booklets.

I was under the impression that a label on the CD is a good thing for
the CD-R, since the top surface is delicate. Do I have this wrong?

Also, curious what others think about labels vs. booklets. I'd rather
have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course,
the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool
tunes is always a great thing).

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:01:18 -0800


Colleen Pyles wrote:
>
> Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
> Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
> And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
> that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
> or not you care for the music?  I'm just curious.  Colleen/sounding a
> little like Alan...

As a child of the 80s I never buy LPs if I already have the CD. Some of
the cover art on LPs is nice, but rarely worth buying just for that
(esp. in Exotica genre, as opposed to some of the rock albums of the 70's).

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Subject: Re: (exotica) April fools gentlemen
Date: 03 Mar 2001 23:33:34 -0500


Rob wrote:

> And will people lay off the new guy? i wouldn't mind if you were molotov
> cocktail toting, credit card hacking, anti-capitalist revolutionaries. But
> short of that you're just not in a fucking reasonable position.
OK, I give up! But let me leave this discusssion with one last serious
thought. For me this had nothing whatsoever to do with business or money,
this had to do with a certain "term" coming to mind after I read that post
as I wondered to myself "what kind of person would say that?". As for
telling Ebay users to take note, if I were one of those that had bid on that
record and then read the post that followed, in this context, I know I'd be
feeling mighty offended, and I don't offend easily!  I think that regardless
of its intent, the way it was worded and the context it was placed in was
simply unfortunate. Let's leave it at that and hope there won't be a next
time.

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Napster dreams
Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:28:36 -0500


Do I have this right?
Napster is about to remove millions of songs by million-selling artists and
other music that I would never have downloaded anyway.
When they're finished removing all those cuts, it will become a trading
post for people like myself who are mostly interested in hearing music by
dead people who seldom have lawyers.
Is this true?
Or will Napster simply disappear?

AZ



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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge
Date: 04 Mar 2001 06:47:30 +0100 (CET)



citerar [e-mail]:

>
>
> In a message dated 3/3/1 9:52:10 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series .  She
> >was a regular on the 50s exotic TV series Adventures in Paradise.
>
> Are DVD's or videos of this available? I have mega-dim mammaries of
this
> show
> as an infant swathed in B&W TV-pioneering...JB
>


Sure! all episodes are out on dvd, and dont forget to pick up
the "history of outer space exotica" vol 1-4. Extremely great
collection of rare videoclips from Les Baxter, Russ Garcia, Frank
Comstock etc. Also on dvd.

Bought my copies in dreamsville, only 50 cent's each!



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors.
Date: 04 Mar 2001 12:45:31 -0500



> Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
> Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?
> And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?  Or do you want
> that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether
> or not you care for the music?

For me, it's the vinyl.  I will, on rare occasions, buy an album with no
cover (like when I got Jimmy Smith doing his version of Mission Impossible),
but I always turn away a cover with no record.  I bought Henri Rene's Music
for Bachelors, knowing that the music was, to say the least, bland, but that
was rare. I love the covers, and as Alan put it, the two are really part of
one package.  But when you get down to it, it's the music.
I admire Alan's ability to part with his records--I think I need a few more
years (I also don't just want to give them to a thrift store where I may
make the mistake of buying them back again!).  Lord knows I could use the
room.  But as for CDs vs. vinyl, I will always choose the latter.  My
reasons are not rational.  They're dictated more by habit and emotion.  I
think I've always loved everything about vinyl records, and CDs just seem
boring to me.  They always have.  I have plenty of them, but sometimes I
forget that I do.  Now that I think about it, I wish the CD slot in my
computer would accommodate an LP instead.
    Favorite covers? I'm sure it's not on anyone's list, but I never could
get over the used-car-salesman look of Jerry Murad on the cover of Cherry
Pink & Apple Blossom White.  The women in chains on the cover of Enoch Light
& the Brass Menagerie are pretty outrageous (I had a hard time explaining
that one to my 6-yr.-old daughter) but that doesn't constitute a "favorite."
I guess I'd have to go with "Inside Sauter-Finegan."  I might even buy that
one with no vinyl.

Clayton



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Subject: Re:  (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:51:15 EST



In a message dated 3/3/1 10:57:06 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>labels vs. booklets. I'd rather
>have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course,
>the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool
>tunes is always a great thing).

Given a choice, id rather have the vinyl in its original form...its "purest
expression" if you will...Barring my inability to obtain said vinyl..i really
don't care as long as its not on cassette..i like CD's technically, but doubt
I'll ever compare them to the  vinyl product as it was originally
released...Of course if its a recently released compilation of old OR new
material, i only care about the material, not whether its on vinyl....IN
other words, the original source if on vinyl, is my preference, but any mixup
in the original source delegates it to CD status in which my preferences drop
precipitously..Got that Larryboy?...LOL/JB


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From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Linda Lawson
Date: 03 Mar 2001 23:57:18 -0600


> Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series
> Her sole album is very collectable and hard to find and hasn't been issued
> on CD.

Actually, it has.  The Spanish label Fresh Sounds brought it out on
CD a few years ago.  I thought it had gone out of print, but
Footlight Records still shows it in their online catalog.  Check it
out at:

http://www.footlight.com/shop.html

Thanks for the space.


Darrell Brogdon
The Retro Cocktail Hour
KANU FM 91.5
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Subject: Re:  (exotica) Linda Lawson
Date: 04 Mar 2001 01:12:11 EST



In a message dated 3/4/1 12:58:36 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Thanks for the space.

All due respect for a true exoticat, and few put more into it
musically,...But is it really necessary to be thanked for space that doesn't
have to be requested to begin with?? JB/big on omitting b.s. these daze with
NO offense meant to NPR!~


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query
Date: 04 Mar 2001 11:28:23 +0100 (CET)



citerar alan  zweig <[e-mail]>:

> How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw
> >the cover and it looked brilliant
>
> It looked brilliant from the cover?

The producers might go, Here is a strange recording, call "X". He/she
is strange too, he/she can make the cover to it.

Just an idea...

Magnus


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Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 04 Mar 2001 07:23:46 EST


In a message dated 3/3/01 10:57:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I'm sure alot of you know about another cool one about the signs of the
 Zodiac, but for those that don't and like that sort of thing, keep an eye
 peeled for:

 Soul Zodiac
 The Nat Adderley Sextet, written and narrated by Rick Holmes
 1972 Capitol Records SVBB 11025 >>

These same guys made a second Zodiac record called Love, Sex, and The Zodiac.
 I

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:22:32 +0100




alan zweig schrieb:

>
> I guess I could have held onto all of them but I can't tell you how
> liberating it was to get a thousand records out of here

BTW: did you sell these records singulary record by record? 1000s of them? I find it rather exhausting to do that on ebay - fill in this form for each record again and again. there should be a list form or something, with the possibility to bring a couple of similar objects to auction, yet posting these auctions singulary in the end.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:28:40 +0100




Kevin Crossman schrieb:

> Almost every one of the CD-Rs I've received over the years from other
> poeple has come without a label on the CD. Many have, however, come with
> excellent booklets.
>
> I was under the impression that a label on the CD is a good thing for
> the CD-R, since the top surface is delicate. Do I have this wrong?
>
> Also, curious what others think about labels vs. booklets. I'd rather
> have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course,
> the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool
> tunes is always a great thing).

I like labels too. the problem is that often it's impossible to make a decent copy, especially when parts of the label ur unprinted or printed in "unprintable colors" like silver, white etc. another problem is that the lables have to be adjusted very exactly, otherwise you get problems with spinning the CDs.

I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case.

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Ultra Lounge
Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:35:21 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> Sure! all episodes are out on dvd, and dont forget to pick up
> the "history of outer space exotica" vol 1-4. Extremely great
> collection of rare videoclips from Les Baxter, Russ Garcia, Frank
> Comstock etc. Also on dvd.
>
> Bought my copies in dreamsville, only 50 cent's each!
>

what??!?!! could you explain this a little better. and while you're in "dreamsville" again, could you pick up copies of the above mentioned for me too?!!!

thank you

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:58:38 +0100


Aah, the good ol' vinyl vs. CD discussion again! Didn't pop up for a while... One day someone should go through the archives and write a book on this subject. And how over the years the opinions have been slightly changing. Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before?) and seem to enjoy the advantages in handling of the CD. Now the question of originality is seen in a more mysterious light: "Purest expression", what might that be?

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From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Napster dreams
Date: 04 Mar 2001 14:06:38 +0100


Alan wrote:

> Is this true?
> Or will Napster simply disappear?

It's owned by Bertelsmann now, isn't it? That means it won't disappear -
soon it will just cost us a lot of money to download the latest Britney
Spears track.
Does anyone know what's going on with the other download sites, likes Scour
and Gnutella. Are they still around?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 04 Mar 2001 08:20:05 EST


In a message dated 3/3/01 7:57:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Also, curious what others think about labels vs. booklets. I'd rather
 have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course,
 the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool
 tunes is always a great thing). >>

i agree with kevin.  and his cd's are the best i have seen.  both booklets
AND cd labels.

i have not gotten into the cd label making yet (because of time limitations)
but i usually do a little booklet with art work, notes, etc.

when i get non labeled cd from people i at least write on them what it is and
make a little tray liner notes and spine titles.  i keep all my cd's in
standard jewel cases (for uniformity).

i know some people rag on the Ultra Lounge series but the liner notes and
pictures are spectacular.  they actually one the grammy in the CD design
catagory once.  i know the music is "the" thing to most, but i like the whole
package.

and sorry i have not posted much lately.  i have been way busy with a couple
of big projects at home and work.  welcome to all the new members who has
signed up since December (when my postings started to drop off).

balmy regards,

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay
Date: 04 Mar 2001 08:25:46 EST


In a message dated 3/3/01 11:30:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Byron oh so correctly pointed out:

 > Many of these items I would never have found in any other way! <

 This is the key to it for me - a factor so important that it just cannot be
 overlooked. >>

BINGO, BINGO, BINGO.  I don't know what I did before Ebay.

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From: Paul Wages <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge
Date: 04 Mar 2001 09:28:28 -0500



> Are DVD's or videos of this available? I have mega-dim mammaries of this show
> as an infant swathed in B&W TV-pioneering...JB


If I recall correctly, Eddie Brandt's Saturday Matinee (a rental-by-mail
place out of Hollywood) has VHS copies of both Adventures In Paradise and
Hawaiian Eye.  My memory is based on the 1997 catalog.

No time to find the address right now, but I'm sure a web search will turn
up something.

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Subject: Fwd: Re: (exotica) Kapp Records
Date: 04 Mar 2001 11:16:07 -0500


Forwarded on behalf of litlgrey:

>Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:24:56 -0500
>From: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Kapp Records
>
>Kapp produced the first two Silver Apples classic records in 1968 and 1969,
>and would have produced the third as well had Kapp not encountered serious
>money troubles and had the band not been pursued with a vengeance by Pan
>American Airways for their "misuse" of Pan Am materials on the second LP.
>My roommate has copies of the Kapp LPs which he kept all through the years,
>and the original Silver Apples Simeon and Danny Taylor signed them for him
>shortly after they were reunited by a loving WFMU DJ in 1999.  Raw tapes of
>the still unfinished album were unearthed by Danny Taylor in his attic -
>having been remarkably ignored by parasites and by time itself - and are now
>availble under its original name "The Garden" from Simeon's label Whirlybird.
>
>--
>Peace Out
>Choppa Choppa
>Bang Bang
>Hackⁿ Maimⁿ
>Where's da WUVÖ?
>
>Sun Ra on your PC...   The CyberSpace Ministry
>http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=litlgrey
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From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 04 Mar 2001 08:50:15 -0800


Moritz R wrote:
> I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case.

Well, they do sell special pens that can write on CD-R surfaces w/out
scratching the disk. Of course, maybe you're right and that is just a
sales ploy. :-)

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Subject: Re: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report
Date: 04 Mar 2001 12:12:48 -0500




> From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:48:59 -0500
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report
>
> 13. The Merchants of Cool -- PBS [RealPlayer]
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/
>
> The companion site to this week's excellent _Frontline_ explores the
> symbiotic relationships between teens, the media, and the creators
> and sellers of popular culture. In the program, _Frontline_
> correspondent Douglas Rushkoff interviews marketers, media
> executives, cultural/media critics, and members of the teen market
> that the former are so desperately trying to reach (and create).
> Among other things, Rushkoff explores the "mook" (young male) and
> "midriff" (young female) stereotypes and the marketing of supposedly
> anti-establishment rage rockers. At the site, visitors can explore
> the major themes of the film, read interview transcripts and the
> reactions of teens who viewed the program, and learn about some of
> the companies and media giants featured in the film. Also included
> are a discussion list, a teacher's guide, and some additional short
> features. [MD]

Thanks to Lou for info on this site.  Frontline's one of the best things on
TV, and the website is excellent.  The local PBS is erratic in its showing
of Frontline, however, so I hope I get the chance to see it eventually.
    On an unrelated matter, despite my recent (and self-contradictory)
disavowal of digital format music, for those of you who like Arabic music,
http://www.mazika.com/ has tons of good mp3s from Egypt, Lebanon, and the
Gulf.  Ehab Tawfik, Ragheb Alam, and Hani Shaker are personal favorites.
The download time is pretty quick as well.  I don't have Napster and have
almost no experience ftp-ing files, so I've missed most of the controversy
on that, but if you're something of a novice, like me, and dig just about
anything from the Middle East, this is the place for you.

Clayton



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From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tomorrow's "Back-Ward" Playlist, March 5
Date: 04 Mar 2001 18:24:46 -0000


<html><DIV>
<P>
<DIV></DIV>The Back-Ward can be heard Monday afternoons from 2:00 pm to 3:00 pm EST on CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome. </P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>The show is also available in RealAudio. Click on "Listen to us live via the net" at:
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<P> </P>
<P>tomorrow's show: </P>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<P>Jaguar - John Gregory
<P>A Bird In The Hand - Artie Butler, "Harrad Experiment" OST
<P>Back Stabbers - Rogen-Denjean & Co.
<P>Marathon Suite - Francis Lai, "The Games" OST
<P>Unkown Worlds Montage - "Unknown Worlds", Holt's Impact lp
<P>Circle - Bruno Nicolai, 'De Sade 70" OST
<P>Zero Gravity - Nik Pascal
<P>Men Are Different - "Unknown Worlds", Holt's Impact lp
<P>The Cat - Ruth White, "Flowers Of Evil" lp
<P>Girl's Game - Eskimos of Hudson's Bay, Folkways lp
<P>These Are Troubled Times - New Creation, "Troubled" lp</P>
<P>My Pal Foot Foot - The Shaggs</P>
<P>The Spook - Pete Drake, "Forever" lp</P>
<P>Earth - Ze Ramalho and Lulu Cortez</P>
<P>Ocean - Velvet Underground</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>"The Back-Ward" is a show featuring cool soundtracks from the 60's and 70's; </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>exotica; lounge; now-sounds; incredibly-strange; tropicalia;
<DIV></DIV>forgotten country and western; obscure garage & psychedelia; funk/70's
<DIV></DIV>instro'; moog; early high-brow electronic; industrial and/or post-punk from the
<DIV></DIV>late 70's/early 80's. More recent material may creep in from time to
<DIV></DIV>time. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>thanks for reading and/or listening</DIV>
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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 04 Mar 2001 14:04:57 -0500


>Aah, the good ol' vinyl vs. CD discussion again! Didn't pop up for a
>while... One day someone should go through the archives and write a book on
>this subject. And how over the years the opinions have been slightly
>changing. Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts?


Just a few years ago I was listening to this old guy who's been playing the
same records for 40 years and he siad something I will never forget. It was
so funny.

"For the past hour we have been playing records and not a single compact
disk. You know how much trouble they can be!"

He's been playing more CD's now. But still tons of vinyl.

Disclamer! It's not Jimmy! ;')

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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Collectors.
Date: 04 Mar 2001 14:04:22 -0500


> This leads me to wonder what some people's favorite covers and/or
> record packing is in their collections.

My favourite is "Vegetarian Bavarian in Exile".  A 12" record with only the
outer grooves on one side recorded and the rest of the record is a sculpture
of a mountain with a bunch of lost figures in Lederhosen (Bavarians).  It
plays, and was produced by a record dealer who also runs his own label in
Holland which continues to produce limited edition musical art objects.

Another is Mark Mothersbaugh's cassette version of "Musik for Insomniaks" on
the Japanese TRA label,  on a gold cassette and with a set of Mark
Mothersbaugh playing cards included in the costom fit box!

The biggest challenge is how to store these things!

Brian



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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:31:49 -0500


> >Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale
run
> >and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying
they're
> >holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy
and
> >not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were
> >"valuable". ....  Has anyone else noticed this particular trend?
> More in antique stores than anyplace else. It's hard to tell if the rising
> prices are due to eBay or general inflation. I'm kind of surprised you're
> finding this trend at garage sales.
I don't know if its just a problem of finite supply or dealers hoarding for
Ebay but I can say I have not for some time now, found anything in vinyl
worth buying at most of my usual haunts. I have noticed higher starting
prices in the stores, but also less stock is moving. There have been slow
periods before but I can't help but wonder how much is now being kept in
anticipation of potential high auction prices.  I think Alan is correct in
saying that Ebay is no threat as people will search this service for
something particular but are no more likely to buy junk records online than
they would in a store, especaily with postage costs and minimum prices.

Brian.. Hoping for a good find to make winter more bearable...



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From: "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Barbarella 2001
Date: 04 Mar 2001 11:41:43 -0800


Well if Jane Fonda wanted to remake "Barbarella" she lost her chance. Drew Barrymore is in the middle of producing and starring in the remake at this moment. I can hear all the sighs. Just another one of those movies that doesn't need to be remade, being remade. Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) "The Moritz"
Date: 04 Mar 2001 15:16:49 -0500


Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa:

http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html

"Exemplify the essence of the East. The embrace of the Moritz is the quintessential element in your home for a peaceful mind."

(It's a framed site, and this link busts the frames. If you want the "intended" presentation, link via the domain name and click through to "2001 Catalog".)

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Two Tv Tonight
Date: 04 Mar 2001 15:27:43 -0500


Last minute, but...

A 2 hour history of burlesque on A&E at 8:00pm and Midnight (eastern).
Hopefully this won't be the usual cookie-cutter cable documentary.

"Destination Moon" (1950) on TCM at 1:30am. Music by Leith Stevens. Special
appearance by Woody Woodpecker.

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From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Polyester card
Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:23:37 +0000


> From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
>
> Polyester I saw on its premiere in Sweden, I was just a kid back then,
> so I did not think it gave me that much (Except when one guy gets his
> head cut off ;) That I loved.) I saved the "smell paper" a long time,
> the pizza smell was still there 7-8 years after. Then I lost it when we
> moved to a new house.

There are several cards on sale on ebay, at a price actually ranging
from 1.25 to 20 dollars. I still have mine (and it still stinks,
some 15 years after!) but my daughter has just drawn moustaches on
Tab Hunter's and Divine's faces. I had forgotten the movie (and the
card) featured Dead Boy (literally: R.I.P.) Stiv Bators.
Ciao
Gionni


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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 04 Mar 2001 16:36:12 -0500


At 01:22 PM 3/4/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
.>
>BTW: did you sell these records singulary record by record? 1000s of them?
I find it rather exhausting to do that on ebay .

I sold most of the records by the box.  I sold them for anywhere from fifty
cents to three bucks each but what it came down to was estimating a price
for each liquor store box of them.
Some I sold for more than that.  Some I sold for as much as ten or twenty
dollars each but I had to go to specific stores for that.  I guess I could
have held onto them for ebay but instead I used the money for trade-ins.
I haven't sold any on ebay yet because I don't have a credit card to pay
for the listings.  I held back a few hundred to sell on ebay but so far
I've only bought on ebay.
That however is probably finished.  I bought forty records there.  Half of
them were almost worth the ridiculous money I spent on them.  But the other
half make the whole thing not worth it.  It's not "ebay's fault".  It's my
fault for bidding on records that look interesting, all the while
forgetting that 40 dollars is way too much to spend on something that
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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 04 Mar 2001 16:58:23 -0500


At 01:58 PM 3/4/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
>
>Aah, the good ol' vinyl vs. CD discussion again!. Did I recognize a new
tone in the last posts? In former discussions the question of sound was the
main issue, now the users seem to getting used to the sound of the CD (or
do they agree nowadays, that there isn't that much of a difference as they
thought before?

I think there is a difference but I've also gotten more used to the
difference.
I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we
have a hard time explaining what we mean by better.
And no one can argue if you simply say "This is what I'm used to and this
is what I will continue to prefer".
For me it's a matter of what I'm used to hearing on vinyl and what I'm used
to hearing on CD.  I don't question the sound of a CD if that's the only
medium in which I've heard the music.  For me, Kruder and Dorfmeister go
with the digital medium.
One of the reasons I can switch from vinyl to CDR is that the CDR's I make
from vinyl, sound like vinyl.  I'm not sure if that makes sense but I guess
there must be a huge difference between recording off an actual record and
whatever they do when they reissue something that was originally recorded
analogically.
I also believe in what they call "digital fatigue".
But in the end, I can suppress any of those feelings because I just want to
hear so much, I can't let the differences in sound matter to me all that much.



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From: "Daniel Shiman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001
Date: 05 Mar 2001 00:40:07


Can anyone tell me about this Richard Christensen character?  I played
something from his "Muve" LP on my show.  It's his godawful "poetry", which
he intones over the music with this overblown sense of drama.  Like that
William Shatner record.  The music is heavily orchestrated, late 60's
string-laden stuff with a slightly psychedelic vibe, arranged and conducted
by one "Tartaglia", another mysterious character.

Christensen also does his bit on the electronic piece "There's a Good Earth
out Tonight", easily the best thing from the Mystic Moods' "Extensions" LP.

Like, who was this guy?

-Dan


ARTIST          SONG        ALBUM        FORMAT    LABEL

HENRY MANCINI    Baretta's Theme (Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow)    The Cop Show
Themes    LP    RCA

JOHN GREGORY ORCHESTRA    Streets of San Francisco    TV's Greatest Detective
Hits    LP    Mercury

FERRANTE AND TEICHER    Hong Kong Soul Brother    In a Soulful Mood    LP    United
Artists

ROD MCKUEN    Tokyo    Time of Desire    LP    HiFi

RICHARD CHRISTENSEN    Spires    Muve    LP    Capitol

BEAVER AND KRAUSE    Spaced    In a Wild Sanctuary    LP    Warner Brothers

MYSTIC MOODS ORCHESTRA    There's a Good Earth Out
Tonight    Extensions    LP    Philips

PERCY FAITH    Black Magic Woman    Black Magic Woman    LP    Columbia

ARMANDO TROVAIOLI    The Imposter    Treasure of San Gennaro (Soundtrack)
    LP    Buddah

THE 3 RING CIRCUS    Fantastic Voyage    Groovin' on the Sunshine    LP    RCA

LES BAXTER    Boca Chica    Que Mango!    LP    Alshire

JOHNNY KEATING'S KOMBO    Delilah    Percussive Moods    LP    Phase 4

JOHNNY KEATING    The Sacrifice    The Keating Sound    LP    Phase 4

ARTIE BARSAMIAN    Nene Aman    More Belly Dance    LP    Fiesta

PIERRE NOLES    Shake Away    Everybody Dance the Ay Bo Le    LP    Coral

EXUMA    Junkanoo    The Junk Band and Daddy Ya Ya    LP    Mercury

DAKTARIS    Voodoo Soul Stew    Soul Explosion    CD    Desco

GUY DUROSIER    Carolina Acao    Riviera Hotel presents Souvenir d'Haiti
EP    7"    Riviera Hotel presents Souvenir d'Haiti

JEAN DE VRES AND HIS AFRO-DRUMS    Voodoo Spirit Song    Exciting
Voodoo!    LP    Buckingham

RICHARD HAYMAN    Gris Gris    Voodoo!    LP     Mercury

KAIWAZA    Voodoo Moon    Hawaiian Holiday    LP    Wyncote

ROBERT DRASNIN    Voodoo    Percussion Exotique    LP    Tops

LES BAXTER    Voodoo Dreams    Jungle Jazz    LP    Capitol

PRESTON EPPS    Call of the Jungle    Bongo Bongo Bongo    LP    Original Sound

HERBIE MANN/JOHNNY RAE'S AFRO JAZZ SEPTET    Jungle Fantasy    Herbie Mann's
African Suite    LP    United Artists




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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001
Date: 04 Mar 2001 09:24:00 -0600


Unlucky wrote:

Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if
anyone didn't know.

            *****************************

Does anyone know who is starring in it?  Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge
Clooney was in it?


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From: Otto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The Polynesians
Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:23:10 -0800


Does anyone have additional information about this band?
I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are
others or other information besides the actual records


The Polynesians stood out to me very early on when I only had about
20 Hawaiian records and I found their Beautiful Hawaii record. It is
markedly better than the rest of the Hoale stuff and better than the
traditional Hawaiian stuff (though not as good as Denny or Lyman in
my book)
Later when I got their second (?) lp with the liner notes about them
being the house band at an infamous Tiki restuarant called The
Polynesian, they were ensconced in my heart!

All of their records are on Crown, none have dates so I am guessing
on some of the chronology here based on cover art. Crown originally
used liner notes with a short list of their other records but later
switched to having the same back on all releases and this is the
common lisitng of seemingly every record on their label with 6
pictures on the left and large triangle/arrow that is grey. After
that design they used "Music for every Mood" with sixteen covers
filling the back of the lp.
According to the back Crown label listings here are The Polynesians records:
CST 113 Aloha Hawaii
CST 163 Blue Hawaii (not credited to The Polynesians probably in
hopes that buyers would think it was the real Blue Hawaii soundtrack)
CST 169 Polynesia (also not credited)
CST 214 Beautiful Hawaii
CST 223 Hawaii Calling
CST 271 Hawaiian Paradise
CLP 5265 Lovely Hawaii
CLP 5304 Hawaiian Sunset
CLP 5519 Hawaiian Love Songs


"Aloha Hawaii" this is The Polynesians first lp CST 113 and appears
to be the 13th lp on the Crown label
cover is a generic shot of Waikiki from Matson collection
has the original back with liners
band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Lani Sang, with Sam Koki
Songs: To You Sweetheart Aloha
Song of the Islands
Lovely Hula Hands
Beyond the Reef
Kalua
Tomi Tomi
Loch Lomond
Beauty Hula
Pulupe
Aloha Oe


"Blue Hawaii" I only have the generic back version of this cover

band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Freddy Tavares, Bob Nichols, Joe
Guerro, Joe Keawe

Songs: Ke Kali Nei Iau (Hawaiian Wedding Song)
Blue Hawaii
Isle of Golden Dreams
Mauna Wili Hula
Aua Chant
Sweet Leilani
Makala Pua
Maui and Maui Girl
Island Moon
Kou Kino Mambo


"Polyneisa - The music of Hawaii-Tahiti-Samoa"
I have 4 copies of this record, all four have different covers
Two have the liner notes and are numbered CLP 5136 and CST 169 (stereo)
the other two are obviously more recent pressings as they have the
backs mentioned above
This has a great cover shot in front of The Polynesian Tiki
restuarant with a Hawaiian couple with an outrigger and a Tiki on one
side of a waterfall and the band in the foreground on the other side
of the waterfall
Back liner notes are by John Marlo with a shot of The Polynesian

band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with
Freddie (sic) Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares
family that started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los
Angeles!)

Songs: Tahitian Festival
Tamure
Marcelle A Vahini
Minoi Minoi
Vana Vana
Cafe Au Lait
Papio
Vahine Anamite
Tanga Tika
Maruru A Vau

"Beautiful Hawaii" Cover appears to be the same shoot as Polynesia.
liner notes are by John Marlo
I have two, one is CLP 5191 and has the generic back the other is CST
214 (stereo) and has liner notes and a short listing of Crown records
ranging from numbers 101 - 221
The stereo version is on red vinyl!!

band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Joe Keava (sic?)

songs: Pagan Love Song
Orchid Lei
Lei Makamae (Original Hawaiian Wedding Song)
Te Manu Pukarua
Kamahula
Moon of Manakura
Utere Utere
Farewell and Aloha
Ua Like no a like
Na Hala


"Hawaii Calling" Cover shot is on a beach. and has songwriter credits
on the cover, generic back

band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Bernie Kaii, Ernie
Tavares, Marie Terangi

songs: Little Grass Shack
My Yellow Ginger Lei
Princess Pupule
Lullaby of Birdland
Tanga Ta Hura Hura (Marie Terangi)
Little Brown Girl
Lehua (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP
At the Barefoot Bar (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP
Hawaiian War Chant
Tahiti Nui (Marie Terangi)


"Hawaiian Paradise" generic back

band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols

songs: Kings Serenade
My Hawaii Nei
Momi Lei
Mahina
Go Around the Island
Lani Kai
Lovely Tahiti
Mai Poina
One Two Three Four
Bora Bora


"Lovely Hawaii" I thought I read somewhere that this was their fifth
lp but if the catalog numbers are correct than this would be their
seventh. Generic back Front probably shot at The Polynesian. Band has
really cool Tiki shirts

band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols

songs: Song of the Isle
Hawaiian China Doll
Nakulu
Mele Aumoe
Moana Lua
Shadows of the Night
Lovely Lei Ilima
Stars Shining O'er Hawaii
Puuwai
Ue Ue - O'tuu


"Hawaiian Sunset" I have two copies of this one
Titled as Richard Kauhi and the Polynesians featuring Harry Baty, Bob
Nichols, Bernie Mattison, Bernie Allen

songs: Remember Be Sure
For You and I
Beautiful Kaala
I Love Your Eyes
Aina Hau
Ua Like, No A Like (the only repeat title so far!!)
Hawaii Land of Enchantment
Hilo Bay
Honolulu I Love You
My Hawaiian Home


"Hawaiian Love Songs"  MONO this has the later generic back with 16 covers
no band members listed

songs: My Hawaii Nei
Momi Lei
Mahina
Go Around the Island
Aloha Oe
Lani Kai
Lovely Tahiti
Mai Poina
ONe Two Three Four
Bora Bora



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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 04 Mar 2001 09:35:54 -0600


Alan wrote:
I guess I could
have held onto them for ebay but instead I used the money for trade-
ins.
I haven't sold any on ebay yet because I don't have a credit card to
pay
for the listings.  I held back a few hundred to sell on ebay but so
far
I've only bought on ebay.
           ********************************
You could put them up for sale on the list only... we could all bid
on them, against each other, pay way too much and end up cursing you.\
Sounds like FUN!



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Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians
Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:58:36 -0500



>band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with
>Freddie Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares family that
>started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los Angeles!)

Freddie Tavares worked in R&D with Leo Fender at Fender (drew up the
mechanical drawings for the Stratocaster among other things). He was also a
busy session musician on steel guitar. Some sources say he did the steel
guitar swoop at the beginning of Looney Tunes cartoons (some sources say
other people did it -- maybe various people did it at different times).

He was born on Maui in 1913, got his start in the business playing steel
for Harry Owens' Royal Hawaiians orchestra in the 30s. Migrated to LA with
the orchestra in the 40s.

Ernie was his brother, who also played with the Royal Hawaiians. Freddie
might still be alive. At least I don't remember hearing that he "took a
cab" (to use Vic Mizzy's excellent phrase).

No idea about any relative connection to the disco band.


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From: "Indy Rutks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001
Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:20:36 -0600


Colleen wrote:

>
> Unlucky wrote:
>
> Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if
> anyone didn't know.
>
>             *****************************
>
> Does anyone know who is starring in it?  Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge
> Clooney was in it?


According to  http://www.imdb.com/  , here's the cast :

George Clooney ....  Danny Ocean
Brad Pitt ....  Dusty Ryan
Casey Affleck
Julia Roberts ....  Beatrice Ocean
Miguel PΘrez (I) ....  Explosives Cop
J.P. Manoux ....  Aide-de-Camp
rest of cast listed alphabetically
Alan Arkin ....  Saul Bloom
Scott Caan
Don Cheadle ....  Basher
Matt Damon ....  Linus Zerga
Andy Garcia
Elliott Gould ....  Ruben Tischkoff
Edward Jemison
David Jensen (II)
Bernie Mac
Rusty Meyers ....  Security Guard
Bill Murray ....  Nick the Lounge Singer


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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors
Date: 04 Mar 2001 23:17:27 -0500


Alan wrote:

> It's not "ebay's fault".  It's my fault for bidding on records that look
interesting, all the while
> forgetting that 40 dollars is way too much to spend on something that
you've never heard
> anything about.
This is probably the main reason I decided a few years back to officially
drop my want list, you now, that list of things any serious collector keeps
on them at all times and gives out to other collectors in the hope they may
have something. I think it was partly because a lot of what I was looking
for was so obscure, I realized I would never find the huge majority of it,
and partly because I became convinced that anything really good would be
reissued (some very obscure recordings are appearing as legit reissues these
days!) Mainly though, I couldn't justify paying a lot of money for records I
thought were good because of the label or artist connection, that I read
were good, or that I saw on other want lists and subsequently added to mine.
There are a few I would buy just to complete a set but the truth is I may
have just lost interest in searching. I recently passed up on early Foetus
7"s at $50+ each thinking I don't want them that bad, only to find I could
download the damned things off Napster!  Now THAT was never an option
before, and to be honest it's all I need...

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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 04 Mar 2001 23:17:16 -0500


Alan wrote:
> I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we
have a hard time
> explaining what we mean by better. And no one can argue if you simply say
"This is what
> I'm used to and this is what I will continue to prefer".
I really notice vinyl defects when I record from it.  By defects I mostly
mean what the turntable transfers, ie rumble and power hum, and what the
cartridge transfers, ie crackles and pops. Its something I've forgotten all
about with CDs and maybe as a result I notice it more. I still insist a good
CD player can match the quality and warmth of vinyl but Alan's right when he
says its all in what we're used to.  Sound is a very subjective thing and if
you don't believe me read a few articles in audiophile magazines!

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Subject: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:50 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>The kind of records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment
>I order stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items,
>so what shall I do? -Magnus

Well, the best thing to do, if you aren't dead set on specific titles
is to find someone in the US with access to good fleamarkets who will
scoop of a batch of stuff that looks promising and ship them to you.
You can't pick and choose that way, but you get the thrill of digging
through unknown stuff.

Here's an offer... I live in Los Angeles where we have a record swap
meet every month. I'll go to the swap meet and buy you twenty records
that fit within the percussion/exotica/easy listening genre in good
shape that look good to me... You'll have to let me know what artists
you have covered already, so I avoid duplication as much as I can. It
will probably cost me between forty and fifty dollars. Most easy
listening records cost between 1 and 5 dollars here. I'll ship those
to you sea mail at no charge.

In return, you send me the same quantity of european recordings from
1960 and earlier that fit into the categories of big band, jazz,
swiss yodelling, accordian music, and strange ethnic music. Not
european pressings of American records... Europen bands. If you can
find record collections of really early european pop music from the
teens through the thirties, even better. Are these sorts of records
available in the bins where you live?

I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American
style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and
they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling
records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars.
One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots
from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that
we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy
in your thrift stores as you would be in mine.

If it works out, we can gather together more batches... does that
sound practical? Let me know if this interests you.

See ya
Steve


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Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:53 -0800


>From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
>
>Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former
>discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem
>to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that
>there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before?)

If record companies went out and found pristine pressings, and
transferred them directly to CD with no alteration, I would
be gung ho for CD's. Unfortunately, the people who re-release
records feel that they know *better* than the original artists
who produced the music. They feel that they are obligated to
"correct" the quaint, antiquated "mistakes of the past", and
express their own creativity at the expense of the original
artists. (Who are long dead and gone and unable to complain.)

This results in music that is proccessed and packaged like
luncheon meat... stupid, kitch covers that focus on trendiness
and demean the talent of the musicians who made the music...
liner notes with cocktail recipes, but NO MENTION of the
musicians and their careers... music with grossly unrealistic
EQ settings, making acoustic instruments sound like buzzy
synthesizers... older recordings muted and dulled by draconian
digital filters just to remove all traces of a slight amount
of unobtrusive surface noise... random collections of completely
unrelated tracks selected for no other reason but novelty value,
not musical value... deceptive packaging, repeating the same
tracks previously released in another "best of" with just a
sprinkling of new material...

I take CD reissues on a case by case basis. CD's are more
convenient and portable. But they haven't been produced well
in a lot of cases.

See ya
Steve


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Subject: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:52 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
>ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
>hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
>disappearing! -m.ace

I haven't noticed that where I live. The thing about ebay is, something
worth a dollar or two isn't really worth paying the listing fee for.
If you put a hundred dollar records in ebay, and most of them pass, you
could be stuck with a pretty big piece of change in fees on relatively
valueless stuff. There are less obvious high ticket records at the swap
meet, but that's OK by me because I don't care to spend over a few bucks
on a record.

The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the
EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and
three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it.

See ya
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Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:55 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:58:23 -0500
>From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
>
>I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we
>have a hard time explaining what we mean by better.

The best way to prove it is to do an A/B comparison.

>For me it's a matter of what I'm used to hearing on vinyl and what I'm used
>to hearing on CD.  I don't question the sound of a CD if that's the only
>medium in which I've heard the music.

I'd prefer to hear the mix and mastering that the artist approved.
A lot of the records that we appreciate were aimed at hifi nuts.
The artists took an active part in the mixing and mastering of the
music. Many records are like auditory movies, with very careful
contrasts in sound, perspective and balance. That is as much a part
of the music as the melody or performance itself.

>One of the reasons I can switch from vinyl to CDR is that the CDR's I make
>from vinyl, sound like vinyl.

I've had that exact same experience. Why don't commercial releases
sound that good?

See ya
Steve

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Subject: (exotica) Music vs. Covers
Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:49 -0800


>At 12:24 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>>
>>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?

ALWAYS the music. It's all about the music...

>>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?

I'm not happy with the sound of most CD reissues. They compress
it and de-noise the life out of it.

See ya
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge
Date: 05 Mar 2001 02:08:40 EST


They're not legally available but I've seen them bootlegged.  Same guy I use
for 77 Sunset Strip and Honey West, has (what looks to be) the entire run of
this.  Linda was featured as a singer/lounge owner, but only for one or two
seasons of its run.

I'll try to find the address.  He doesn't do anything over the web as far as
I know, but he does advertise in Outre/Filmfax.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians
Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:27:11 +0100 (CET)



citerar Otto <[e-mail]>:

>
> Does anyone have additional information about this band?
> I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are
> others or other information besides the actual records

No sorry, but I have heard  "Lovely Hawaii" and it was really good, a
nice cover too. Definetely LPs to search for. You have quite a bunch.

Nice to see you are posting again,

Magnus




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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ira Ironstrings
Date: 05 Mar 2001 06:47:00 -0600


[e-mail] wrote:

>Most of us know that Louis F. Busch has one pseudonym: Joe "Fingers" Carr.
>
>
>Now I wonder whether he had two.
>
>
>Ira Ironstrings did a number of Warner Brothers LPs produced by Busch and
>arranged by Busch.  The question is...who was Ira Ironstrings?


Ira was Alvino Rey.  There's a new page on Ira at the Space Age Pop page:

http://www.spaceagepop.com/ironstri.htm

I learned the truth about Ira from Stan Cornyn, ex-Warner Brothers exec and
the king of liner note prose.

And yes, there is a page on Mort Garson at Space Age Pop as well:

http://www.spaceagepop.com/garson.htm

Switching back to <lurk> now.

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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
Date: 05 Mar 2001 08:19:22 -0500



> I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American
> style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and
> they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling
> records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars.
> One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots
> from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that
> we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy
> in your thrift stores as you would be in mine.

The local public radio station in Bloomington, Ind. used to play a show
called "Northern Lights," and I once recorded from it some terrific big band
music from Finland.  Big band music and ballroom dance are both very popular
there--even the Finnair pilots have their own band.  Finnish is definitely
an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:37:01 +0100 (CET)



citerar Clayton Black <[e-mail]>:

Finnish is definitely
> an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing.


We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are
special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot
of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art,
just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even
though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of
us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv
serials, thank you very much. :(

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Date: 05 Mar 2001 06:35:07 -0800


At 08:19 AM 05-03-01 -0500, Clayton wrote:
>Finnish is definitely
>an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing.

Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it--
I heard it pronounced  "var-tin-AW") is from?  I first heard this
group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great!

Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are
more Slavic than anything, which makes this group so unique to my ears
anyway.  Of course, their songs deal with unusual but important subjects
which focus on women's lives.  This may also be a reason for their
success...they sing like they have purpose, like they care.  Hard to tell
when you don't speak the language, but they sound very articulate yet also
sound like they are having fun.

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From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
Date: 05 Mar 2001 08:55:48 -0600


At 9:40 PM 3/4/01, bigshot wrote:
>The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the
>EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and
>three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it.

True of record shows too. I'd guess it also depends on how long the record
has been in stock and how eager the dealer is to get rid of it. At one
record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for
$25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing. Haven't seen a $50
price spread for at a show though.

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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods
Date: 05 Mar 2001 09:49:02 -0500



> Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it--
> I heard it pronounced  "var-tin-AW") is from?  I first heard this
> group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great!
>
> Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are
> more Slavic than anything,

Careful what you say to the Finns--don't tell them their music is Slavic.
People are touchy about ur-culture in that part of the world.  Yes,
Vaartinaa (it's spelled with umlauts, and it might have another n) is from
Finland.  I like them too.  The best track I've heard from them is on an
"Arthur" (you know, the lovable ardvaark on PBS) CD.  It's supposed to be
the song for Binky Barnes (the tough kid who needs a nightlight).

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From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 09:20:29 -0600


Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish guy
recently.  Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes  in Latin...and aren't there
also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said he'd
never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus said, and
he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I
misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here before.
Head-scratching Mimi

Magnus wrote:
>We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are
>special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot
>of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art,
>just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even
>though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of
>us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv
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From: Jenna <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500



[e-mail] wrote:

> Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know.
>

Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven
Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other
night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change
of ending. Anyone know anything else about it?

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster dreams
Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:39:45 +0100




Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb:

> Alan wrote:
>
> > Is this true?
> > Or will Napster simply disappear?
>
> It's owned by Bertelsmann now, isn't it? That means it won't disappear -
> soon it will just cost us a lot of money to download the latest Britney
> Spears track.

I don't think this is entirely true. The news about it are rather confusing: First Napster said it's impossible to automatically filter out registered tracks. Actually *ALL* tracks are somewhat registered, so this is bullshit from the start.

However: then the music industry presented a list of 5600 tracks that they wanted to be filtered out immediately - all the current big selling hit records, BUT: if you change just one letter in the title of the song, you can trick them out, so they won't be satisfied with that solution in the long run anyway.

AND: it means basically: we care for our big sellers, all other artists - i.e. all the small, independent artists will not be protected, people like Tipsy and Don Tiki et al. So I don't see why this will be really a dream come true. (We discussed this before: I still don't see why artists we like, starting from Martin Denny and not ending with the mentioned members of this list (me too!) should not get paid for the music they bring to all of us, but I won't discuss this again).

Finally Napster said, they will charge their customers in the future and give part (!) of the money to the artists as royalties, which again means, that the big sellers will get most of the money, unless they develop a technical system, where each song is registered singularily and the money is transferred to the referring artist, song by song, download by download, a system that Napster currently doesn't have.

All in all I don't think your dream - if you still want to call it one - will come true as you dream it, AZ.

Mo


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Subject: Re: (exotica) "The Moritz"
Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:44:11 +0100




"m.ace" schrieb:

> Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa:
>
> http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html
>
> "Exemplify the essence of the East. The embrace of the Moritz is the quintessential element in your home for a peaceful mind."

:-D   I'm not a specialist in Buddhism, but don't you have to die, before you can be reincarnated?

Just asking...
Mo

PS: Wait a minute! After seeing "The Sixth Sense"... m-m-maybe I'm dead already?

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:39:43 +0100




Kevin Crossman schrieb:

> Moritz R wrote:
> > I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case.
>
> Well, they do sell special pens that can write on CD-R surfaces w/out
> scratching the disk. Of course, maybe you're right and that is just a
> sales ploy. :-)

uuh... you don't write on the side of the CD that is read by the laser, do you?

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Subject: (exotica) Re: huge Burlesque show!!
Date: 05 Mar 2001 16:11:28 +0100


mon dieu! how did you get *that* job?

Mo

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Subject: Re: (exotica) "The Moritz"
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:36:23 -0500



> > Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa:
> >
> > http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html
>
>:-D   I'm not a specialist in Buddhism, but don't you have to die, before
>you can be reincarnated?

Ummm, must be a case of premature reincarnation.


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From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11
Date: 05 Mar 2001 09:45:17 -0600


> Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven
> Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other
> night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change of
> ending. Anyone know anything else about it?


I don't think "Seven Thieves" was a remake of "Ocean's Eleven".
They both came out the same year (1960) and "Seven Thieves"
was based on a novel by Max Catto.  It's a terrific film, BTW.

From the mid-50s through the mid-60s, there's a wonderful sort of
sub-genre of moves like this that might be called "caper films".  A
small group of experts come together to pull off an impossible
heist.  "Seven Golden Men" is a good example of the genre.
Others include "Five Against the House", "The Asphalt Jungle",
"They Came to Rob Las Vegas" (rare soundtrack by George
Georges Garvarentz) , "Caper of the Golden Bulls" (music by Vic
Mizzy!), "Topkapi", etc.  There are lots more.

For my money, the two greatest caper films are a couple of
European films: "Rififi", directed by Jules Dassin and which
spawned a bunch of sequels (the film's centerpiece is the 28-
minute heist sequence, filmed in total silence --no dialog or music)
and "Big Deal on Madonna Street", a comedy which spoofs the
whole genre.

Sorry if this is off-topic.  I just like caper films!


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From: George Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 11:24:35 -0500


On a somewhat related (surf / new exotica) note, the last 4 =
V=E4rttin=E4
releases were produced & mixed by Laika & the Cosmonauts drummer/leader
Janne Haavisto, who also plays percussion & put together the drum loops =
etc.
2 V=E4rttin=E4 tracks were covered by the Cosmonauts as bonus tracks on =
the US
version of their "Instruments of Terror" (UPST 005) CD, probably my =
fave
90's surf disc.

on Mon, 5 Mar 2001 [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Careful what you say to the Finns-don't tell them their music is =
Slavic.
>People are touchy about ur-culture in that part of the world.  Yes,
>Vaartinaa (it's spelled with umlauts, and it might have another n) is =
from
>Finland.  I like them too.  The best track I've heard from them is on =
an
>"Arthur" (you know, the lovable ardvaark on PBS) CD.  It's supposed to =
be
>the song for Binky Barnes (the tough kid who needs a nightlight).
>
>Clayton


A friend of mine made me a tape of this, by a Dr... hmm, can't recall. =
But
yes, a Finnish gentleman exists who has indeed translated & covered =
Elvis in
Latin. Tape's at home, I'll have to check.=20
Meanwhile, the Swedish Elvis may be found at
http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/ljud.html
<http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/ljud.html>=20

on Mon, 5 Mar 2001 [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>  wrote:

>Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish =
guy
>recently.  Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes  in Latin...and aren't =
there
>also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said =
he'd
>never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus =
said, and
>he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I
>misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here =
before.
>Head-scratching Mimi


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 17:43:51 +0100 (CET)



I wrote:

>But I guess we're becoming more alike all of
> us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv
> serials, thank you very much. :(


What a meaningless judgement, I am sorry. I have so many nice american
friends and to blame them for something I dont like is not worthy a
swede. Once again sorry, there are still things made of gold to be
found... From America too. Since I was a child America has been the
provider of cool, things strange, pretty and totally kneeslapping
funny. It is just that genre films nowadays are so rude and cruel, so
faschist. I'll just watch something else instead of complain.
My biggest excuses to all americans on the list, I like you very much!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 12:18:33 -0500


on 3/5/01 10:20 AM, Mimi Mayer at [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish guy
> recently.  Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes  in Latin...and aren't there
> also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said he'd
> never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus said, and
> he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I
> misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here before.


I'm not sure about the Latin connection, but I do know that the tango is
hugely popular in Finland, and there is a specific musical style of Finnish
tango (if I recall, they utilise the chromatic accordion rather than the
bandoneon). We have a large Finnish community around here - out where
Dominec lives actually, about 50 miles from Boston - that has huge tango
parties on summer weekends (in a place with saunas as well)

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:03:36 -0800 (PST)


Hey, we're just trying make everybody mellow and
peppy. I mean, what it must do to a person to view
those depressing Bergman films of virgin sacrifice and
knights playing badminton with death, year in and year
out...

What the devil reinforces the national if not global
appetite for this ongoing US ersatz circus maximus
output such as Cops, Survivor, Scroggery Island,
Friends, Malcolm in the Middle, Jim Carrey, etc.  What
does it say of the yearnings and intent of our silent
masses (or as the Russians used to refer to their then
passive populace, "the dark people")that such product
is regurgitated year in and year out. Is it a sort of
cow-like complacency? Are our desires and tastes
manufactured for us and reinforced by vigorous
advertising? Do the (corporate) governments of the
west use this subcretinous programming for the same
reason dentist offices and shopping centres used
Muzak: to lull us into a sense of artificial ease, to
forestall dissent.

We are all cattle in the pen. Never doubt it. Mooooo

Drink Coca-cola
Pepsi. Be all you can be.
Toyota Corolla,

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--- Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
 seeing the same dumb american
> movies and tv
> serials, thank you very much. :(


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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (approx.)
Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:06:32 -0500


I feel the reason that our CD-R's sound better is the fact that most of us
have less access to the tools to tinker with.  This, however, is nothing
too new.  Back in the early 80's a record store owner/collector was
bemoaning the extremely variant quality of reissues.  Some were quite good
(some of Rhino's and Chess, before MCA latched onto them) and the others
were a horrible mess of fake stereo and altered covers.

"Why don't they just put out the reissue in straight sound lahk [he had a
weird accent - Ed.] Route 66 does?", said my friend (who, by the
way,  wrote the liner notes to the Varese Sarabande LPs of the Twilight
Zone)  I found that most of the European companies found the best vinyl
copies they could, if there were no obtainable masters and put out what
they had.  Route 66 in particular had at least one fan in Ruth Brown, who
was contacted by the label before they issued her material.

Not to let off the hook entirely, Red Lightning's "In My Younger Days" by
Junior Wells is a great record, but one side of it is taken from bad 45's
and 78's and the noise reduction that they used makes for dropouts in the
music.

The most egregious example that comes to mind is the tinkering that they
did with the Robert Johnson reissue.  Glad beyond words that it was done,
but the sound was worse than the vinyl (King of the Delta Blues Singers
Vol. 1.  Vol. 2 on vinyl sounds really awful) which some engineer and
producer decided to "fix".

As I have stated before, we have had about 100 years to figure out vinyl
and roughly twenty to figure out the digital realm.  By sheer dint of time,
it is easy which one will sound better, by and large. And yes, there are
better sounding CD's than LPs and vice versa, just as there are paintings
that are better than photographs and vice versa and other mailing list that
are INFERIOR TO US!  I SAY INFER...

You get the picture.

Reaching for Digitalis,
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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Doctor Ammondt (repost.
Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:17:13 -0500


Lou Smith, king of the links, sent the following a while ago:


    HELSINKI, Finland (AP) -- Elvis lives -- even in the long-dead language of
Sumerian.
    A Finnish professor who has recorded two albums of Elvis Presley songs
translated into Latin now plans to record some of them in Sumerian, a
language that died out about 4,000 years ago.
    Jukka Ammondt said Friday that the first track he plans to record is ``Blue
Suede Shoes.'' In that Sumerians had neither suede nor shoes, per se, the
title translates into ``Esir Kus Za-gin,'' literally ``sandals of leather of
the color of a blue gem.''
    Unlike many rockers who don't care if their singing is comprehensible,
Ammondt is concerned about enunciation.
    ``I'm not sure about my Sumerian, but they say Finnish is well-suited to
pronouncing Sumerian because it's such a phonetic language,'' said Ammondt,
a literature professor at the University of Jyvaskyla, 160 miles north of
Helsinki.
    Not that there will be anyone around to criticize if he mispronounces a few
words. Sumerian, used in the lower Euphrates River valley in what is now
Iraq, died out as a spoken language in about 2000 BC.
    Ammondt's recordings have novelty value, but also reflect the wide interest
in languages in Finland, where almost everyone is at least trilingual.
National radio even has regular programming in Latin.




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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:43:08 -0800 (PST)


hope you're not responding to my reponse. I meant that
to be humorous. And besides, you were absolutely
correct. The bulk of our films and television
programming is, obviously, crap. (The curious thing is
that we're - or is it they're? - able to export it)

And in the cinemas - we now have to sit through
commercials before the film. That means we are paying
corporations to bombard us with advertisements.

It is time for a revolution (wake me when it's over.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz).

--- Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> What a meaningless judgement, I am sorry.

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Subject: (exotica) Hey mister Brad!
Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:04:46 +0100 (CET)



I'll have to interrupt your lurking!
You gotta add a Don Ralke LP to your Space Age Pop website, "Bongo
Madness" Crown CLP 5019. Or does that not qualifie? I think much of it
sound exotica, it's a great album!


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Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:20:44 -0500


At 08:55 AM 3/5/01 -0600, Mimi Mayer wrote:
.>
>. At one
>record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for
>$25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing.

Next time that happens, buy them both.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:21:23 +0100 (CET)



citerar Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>:

>
> hope you're not responding to my reponse. I meant that
> to be humorous

Tell that to the FBI!

Mooo
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Subject: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:18:28 -0500


Had a laugh the other night.

I put on Lenny Dee "Dee-Licious" (with that ridiculously funny cover of =
the D man lounging in a hammock while two dangerously young and innocent =
lasses feed him chocolate bon-bons by his side).  My bro was there and =
said "Holy Shit!  They should put a warning label on that LP that it can =
cause irrepairable insanity!!" (He's got the twisted sense of humor too).

Then he went on laughing that it sounded like the power-supply was having =
extreme fluctuations - that's D's style to mmmmMMMM  , daaaaDDAAAAAA and I =
had to laugh because he was right - sounds exactly like the organ was =
being run by a hand-cranked generator and the guy was getting tired!!!

Man, to imagine Mom's and Pop's everywhere groovin' to these sounds on the =
console stereo sometimes boggles the mind!

And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, =
I'm lost I tell ya.......!! :-)

- Nate



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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) caper films
Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:35:08 -0500


At 09:45 AM 3/5/01 -0600, Darrell Brogdon wrote:
.>
>From the mid-50s through the mid-60s, there's a wonderful sort of
>sub-genre of moves like this that might be called "caper films".  A
>small group of experts come together to pull off an impossible
>heist.  "Seven Golden Men" is a good example of the genre.
>Others include "Five Against the House", "The Asphalt Jungle",
>"They Came to Rob Las Vegas" (rare soundtrack by George
>Georges Garvarentz) , "Caper of the Golden Bulls" (music by Vic
>Mizzy!), "Topkapi", etc.  There are lots more.

I think you're throwing too many dissimilar films into one bag there.
"Asphalt Jungle" is more film noir than "caper film".  I'd be willing to
invent a term lke "heist film" in order to differentiate serious, sad, dark
films like "Asphalt" from funny, happy films like "Oceans Eleven" (the
novelization of which is one of my prized possessions).
Or maybe it's the difference between the fifties and sixties sensibilities.
I'd also differentiate between films where you know they're going to fail
and films where you figure they'll probably succeed.
I like them both but obviously I prefer the failures.
Actually "Asphalt Jungle" is one of my favorite films of all time.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:38:09 +0100 (CET)



I come into an argument with my six year old nephew, his younger
brother wanted me to play a record on my turntable, but before I had
time to choos a record the 6 year old went: 'NOOO!!! Not that bad ooold
music!' I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD
MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!' I took it very personal, it wasnt
a question of "he is just a kid".

The young one isn't lost yet, he begs me to show him Flip the Frog
cartoons on my dvd player.

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From: "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 05 Mar 2001 11:45:59 -0800


This results in music that is proccessed and packaged like
luncheon meat... stupid, kitch covers that focus on trendiness
and demean the talent of the musicians who made the music...
liner notes with cocktail recipes, but NO MENTION of the
musicians and their careers... music with grossly unrealistic
EQ settings, making acoustic instruments sound like buzzy
synthesizers... older recordings muted and dulled by draconian
digital filters just to remove all traces of a slight amount
of unobtrusive surface noise... random collections of completely
unrelated tracks selected for no other reason but novelty value,
not musical value... deceptive packaging, repeating the same
tracks previously released in another "best of" with just a
sprinkling of new material...

I agree with this matter. The first time I think I became irritated with CDs and reissues was with a Julie London CD. I'd been looking for another copy of Around Midnight. I found this compilation called Time for Love, which essentially stole the cover from Around Midnight, but make a selection of "best of" tracks. And then there were only two tracks from Around Midnight. Given how great Around Midnight is, there are so many songs to choose from, and two relatively uninteresting ones were put on the compilation. I thought, what kind of ridiculous audacity to reuse the Around Midnight cover for a compilation that largely ignores songs from the album it took its cover from? And THEN, when I finally found the Around Midnight album on CD, it was a two-for-one deal (a plus of course) but an IMPORT, making the matter even more ridiculous. It's almost like here in America, we can't appreciate our own musical heritage unless we do it with a sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge air, or package it and organize it to pander to an imagined audience who might get too bothered if the music is too edgy, or too "challenging" or too, I don't know what. I mean we already know Julie did a lot of soft, creamy songs, which is part of what makes her appealing, but she did a lot of sexy songs too, but maybe that was too much for the crowd Rhino imagined this "best of" for. Sure Rhino has done a lot of great things -- the Handmade series especially -- but they just love to cheese things out, like people won't get it unless it's kitschy enough, and that's really sad.

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From: Mimi Mayer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:05:51 -0600


>>. At one
>>record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for
>>$25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing.

Alan quipped:
>Next time that happens, buy them both.

Hee. Actually, I saw a guy about to buy the $25 Kites and told him about
the $12 booth. A sucka move, I know. Mimi






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From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Close Encounter of the Exotic Kind
Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:55:27 -0600


Hi All,

I just returned home after spending the week in LA. As I was waiting for my
flight to depart yesterday, I decided to ankle on over to the Encounter
Restaurant for lunch. I must say that this place is the very soul of retrohip;
giant lava lamps, moonscape bas reliefs on the walls and lots of curvaceous
stainless-steel furnishings. As an added bonus, the food and drink is
outstanding; tasty and very nicely presented! I had an exquisitely unique
MaiTai along with a truly delish spicy chicken salad that had obviously been
created by a group of postmodern deconstructionist chefs. Next time I visit,
I'll have to be sure to do it at night when the interior is lit up in all of
it's blue and purple glory.

I also made my usual stop at Oceanic Arts in Whittier (I grew up about 3 blocks
away) and scored a couple of mugs. They were selling a set of those glass
Disney World Polynesian Village mugs on consignment, so I picked up one of them
along with a cheaper mug in the shape of a Hawaiian maiden in a lei and grass
skirt. They were also selling Shag's new line of mugs which looked
very...well...Shaggy. I had unfortunately missed the big Book of Tiki signing
party held there a week or so previously. I had a very nice chat with co-owner
Bob Van Oosting. Before I left, Bob gifted me with a handful of Tahitian
swizzle sticks.

I know that there are people here on the list that've been involved with the
Encounter, either as DJs or in helping them set up their events. Does anyone
know what tune they play in the elevator as you're whisked up into
Jetsonsville? It was some sort of 101-stringish type tune with a wordless
female vocal. Very apropos in setting the mood.

--
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Subject:  Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001
Date: 05 Mar 2001 16:08:52 EST



In a message dated 3/4/1 11:18:15 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>George Clooney ....  Danny Ocean
>Brad Pitt ....  Dusty Ryan

always good to see fresh faces (yawn)


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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:31:26 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of F. Cobalt
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:46 AM

> matter even more ridiculous. It's almost like here in America, we
> can't appreciate our own musical heritage unless we do it with a
> sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge air

See, that's what I don't like about the Ultra-Lounge series. I can actually
say a lot of good things about the series, primarily because they were my
introduction to the wonderful world of exotica (those and my parents' record
collection). But no matter how handsome the packaging is (and the selections
themselves are excellent), there's still something that rubs me the wrong
way...

Later,
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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 05 Mar 2001 17:51:57 -0500



>See, that's what I don't like about the Ultra-Lounge series.


For me, it is the constriction of one label.  Capitol didn't have Martin
Denny, RCA didn't have Yma Sumac, etc.

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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Waring on my nerves...
Date: 05 Mar 2001 18:15:48 -0500


Q:What is the law?
A:Not to walk on all fours!

Q:What is the second law?
A: When you see a record that has Fred Waring on it and "Philly Dog", buy it!

OK, so YOUR edition of "The Island of Dr. Moreau" is a tad different than
mine, but sure as there's a silent CK in Bruce Cockburn, I bought a record
that featured Fred Waring and Fred, Jr. on it and one side is instrumentals
conducted or something by Fred Waring, Jr. and it isn't half bad; for a
dollar, it's pretty good.  The A side is so "Now Sound", it features a
version of...

...Kites Are Fun!!

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From: "Brian Linds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Three haircuts
Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:40:24 -0800


Hi everyone. Thanks a ton for your Fakes and Frauds responses. Does anyone
out there have a copy or dupe of The Three Haircuts doing You Are So rare To
Me or Going Crazy. The Three Haircuts were Sid Ceaser, Car Reiner and Howie
Morris. There's a good write up on them in the Hollywood HiFi book.
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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 06 Mar 2001 01:04:27 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD
> MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!'

You mean I could just take any record or CD, lock it away, and after a while it would automatically turn into good music?

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Fleixi-Discs
Date: 05 Mar 2001 18:00:48 -0800


A thread on the 78 list notes that the last manufacturer of flexi
discs, (the plastic sheets that were inserted in magazines) just
discontinued manufacturing them. It's time to drink a toast to
another fun format biting the dust.

See ya
Steve

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From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fleixi-Discs
Date: 05 Mar 2001 21:39:59 -0500


At 06:00 PM 3/5/01 -0800, Stephen Worth wrote:
>
>A thread on the 78 list notes that the last manufacturer of flexi
>discs, (the plastic sheets that were inserted in magazines) just
>discontinued manufacturing them. It's time to drink a toast to
>another fun format biting the dust.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Actually, I was surprised they'd continued making them until now!
Just for the historical record, here's the press release from Eva-Tone
(http://www.evatone.com) :

Eva-Tone Extra, Fall 2000

Soundsheet Product Line Retired

At the end of the year 2000 Eva-Tone employees and customers bade a fond
farewell to one of our oldest product lines - the Soundsheet. This farewell
comes with mixed emotions as the Soundsheet was the major springboard to
Eva-Tone's success and provided a unique contribution to education,
publishing and marketing in the last half of the 20th Century.=20

The Soundsheet technology was also used to bring recorded books and
magazines to the blind and visually impaired through the Library of
Congress' National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped.
We are proud of our association with this program that has endured for
almost 40 years, and has prolonged the life of the Soundsheet. December
2000, The Library of Congress honored our 34 year volume of work in serving
the Blind with the presentation of a special award of merit to Dick and
Luckie Evans.

Today, Eva-Tone is a thriving turnkey provider of Compact Discs, Cassettes,
Multimedia, Printing, Packaging and Fulfillment. New technologies are the
key to our continued growth.=20

But our company would not be here at all, if it weren't for this little thin
plastic phonograph record. Though outmoded now, Eva-Tone Soundsheets
provided a revolutionary way for people to use recorded sound 40 years ago
and allowed Eva-Tone to flourish through change.=20


Other reasons to visit the site include:

Take our new Virtual Tour, and see what Eva-Tone is all about. This virtual
visit will give you an inside view of each of our operations. Get a feel for
our size and capabilities. There are ten departments you can visit, from CD
manufacturing to cassette operations, pressroom and fulfillment operations.
Each one has been photographed in a 360-degree process that allows you to
rotate your view in a full circle=85plus move up or down to get a more
complete picture of the operation. Bet you'll find it more than interesting.
We can show you how to add a virtual visit to your website, too.

Interested in history? Our new visual Timeline shows where Eva-Tone came
from and some milestones along the way. The company is 75 years old this
year, with over 450 talented employees to serve you. Our founder Richard
Evans would love for you to see what his dream has actually become.

=3D=3D=3D=3D
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From: robert blahut <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) casino royale
Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:44:09 -0600


just wondering if anyone caught the screening of this fine example of
the 60's movie yesterday afternoon on AMC?  is there a soundtrack
available, or just a cd comp of the main title theme?  thanks,
tablah


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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001
Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:12:52 -0500


At 12:40 AM 3/5/01, Daniel Shiman wrote:
>
>
>
>ARTIST          SONG        ALBUM        FORMAT    LABEL
>
>
>PERCY FAITH    Black Magic Woman    Black Magic Woman    LP    Columbia
>THE 3 RING CIRCUS    Fantastic Voyage    Groovin' on the Sunshine    LP    RCA
>JOHNNY KEATING'S KOMBO    Delilah    Percussive Moods    LP    Phase 4

Good choices!
Can you get this online?
I don't really know what else to say about those cuts except that I own
them and I like to see them here, especially the Three Ring Circus.
Do you ever play the vocal cut "Lovin Machine"?  That's the one I tend to
put on compilations more than any other.
Looks like the coolest town in America has three of the coolest members on
this list (not to mention two of the... how many women are here anyway?).

AZ



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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:19:59 -0500


Oh boy, here's a new copy prevention system for audio CDs:

http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?985

Silly rabbits, music is for big corporations.

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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:03:24 -0600


Sharon Stone would be a very good choice      Colleen
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Sent: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:33:35 -0800


Yeah, I heard Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, and possibly Julia
Roberts. I would have thought maybe Sharon Stone.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:24:00 =A0
 Colleen Pyles wrote:
>Unlucky wrote:
>
>Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if
>anyone didn't know.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*****************************
>
>Does anyone know who is starring in it? =A0Did I hear a rumor tha
Geoge
>Clooney was in it?
>
>
> Colleen
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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: hmmm
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:10:54 -0600



Good! I thought the Fcc got your website too!  Colleen



---- Begin Original Message ----

Sent: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:50:49


Dang Colleen I'm not having any problems getting to the Radio1
website, or
my show's page. =A0Hmmm. =A0Maybe it's a web browser thing - I'm using =

Internet
Explorer. =A0Thanks for the tip though and for checking out (or trying =

to at
least) our humble station.

see ya!
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From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) casino royale
Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:16:05 -0600


robert blahut wrote:

> just wondering if anyone caught the screening of this fine example of
> the 60's movie yesterday afternoon on AMC?

Yeah, it's a hoot. Never fails to make me laugh and shake my head just at the
sheer everything AND the kitchen sink wackiness of it. I keep telling my wife
that she needs to get a machine gun installed in her bagpipes just like Ursula
Andress.

> is there a soundtrack available, or just a cd comp of the main title theme?

Yes, there's a bonafide soundtrack out there.


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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods =?iso-8859-1?B?oE9u?= Finland
Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:37:02 -0600


magnus wrote:

>But I guess we're becoming more alike all of
> us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv
> serials, thank you very much. :(
               ***********************

Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that!  We have the dumbest TV
shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No
offense taken...believe me!


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From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 05 Mar 2001 21:07:31 -0800


Moritz R wrote:
> uuh... you don't write on the side of the CD that is read by the laser, do you?

What did I do to get so needlessly flamed?!? ;-)  Thanks alot, Mo!

Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-)  The side read by the laser is
the top, right?

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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville"
Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:30:45 -0800



>
> I think I'd rather watch SCTV's "Polynesiantown".

speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show?   I
am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is
her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ, as well as
the perfomances of Sammy Maudlin.

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Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Re:=20(exotica)=20Different=20Neighborhoods=20=A0On=20?=
Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:58:44 +0100 (CET)



citerar Colleen Pyles <[e-mail]>:

> Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that!  We have the dumbest TV
> shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No
> offense taken...believe me!
>


Allright Coolleen, but I still felt I went to far, and there are no
point at all to complain over situations far away from the "exotica"
issue. I am very glad to have the oppurtunity to be able to speak with
people who is as entuastic over this as I am.
And about "the real world" out there, actually I am lucky as long as
they are not putting me in a concentration camp: This is hip hop. This
is eurotechno. We will make you appreciate the beauty of it Magnus. We
are gonna make you one of us. One of us one of us

Magnus


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Bye bye flexi discs
Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:00:38


Eva-tone claims:

>Our founder Richard
Evans would love for you to see what his dream has actually become.

I hope the founder of this 75 year old company is alive and well for them
to make such a claim -- because if not, I'm sure he's crying in his grave
at what they did.

And, haven't flexi discs, pardon me, "soundsheets," been around much longer
than 40 years?



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Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:12:09 EST



In a message dated 3/5/1 11:03:57 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Sharon Stone would be a very good choice      Colleen

If you like a surefire blockbuster of an investment-returner, sure, but one
thing about new movies....new actors are working very hard to get noticed and
often eclipse the box-office suresells...ask me for an example? lemme
think.......ah, the names don't get as easily remembered, but with a remake
can't it be remarketed as, say, "Oceans 11 2001", then the proud history,
retold along with previous footage from the vintage edition and a couple of
compelling moments of engaging dialog from the newbies....??...Then again I
don't work there nor do I invest in films (that I know of)  JB/mutual fund
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Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:14:48 EST



In a message dated 3/5/1 11:37:26 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>We have the dumbest TV  shows in the world!

quite likely, but name 3 dumb Scandanavian Sitcoms...Quickly!!...JB/point
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Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:18:08 EST



In a message dated 3/6/1 2:59:49 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

>We will make you appreciate the beauty of it Magnus. We
>are gonna make you one of us. One of us one of us

What you need is a good cup of coffee. What you need is a good cup of coffee.
What you need is a good cup of coffee...JB/Stepfordized long ago ANNNND
loving it!


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Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville"
Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:50:15 -0500


At 10:30 PM 3/5/01 -0800, Christine Karkow wrote:
.>speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show?   I
>am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is
>her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ

Tex and Edna Boyle?
I've seen SCTV tapes at the video store but I doubt you could get a tape of
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Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20(exotica)=20Different=20Neighborhoods=20=CAOn=20Finla?=
Date: 06 Mar 2001 10:05:37 +0100 (CET)



citerar [e-mail]:

> What you need is a good cup of coffee. What you need is a good cup of
> coffee.
> What you need is a good cup of coffee...JB/Stepfordized long ago
ANNNND
> loving it!
>



I havent time, first I have to go to the gym, then work hard and a lot
overtime, then to the gym again and then see the new exciting Will
Smith movie. So you see, I have not time for coffee, coffee breaks are
unnecessary. I only invest in things that gain me as an individual in
the collective.

Magnuz in block 123BX
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Date: 06 Mar 2001 06:46:48 EST


In a message dated 3/5/01 8:18:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< robert blahut wrote:

 > just wondering if anyone caught the screening of this fine example of
 > the 60's movie yesterday afternoon on AMC?

 Yeah, it's a hoot. Never fails to make me laugh and shake my head just at the
 sheer everything AND the kitchen sink wackiness of it. I keep telling my wife
 that she needs to get a machine gun installed in her bagpipes just like
Ursula
 Andress.

 > is there a soundtrack available, or just a cd comp of the main title theme?

 Yes, there's a bonafide soundtrack out there.
  >>

there is an OST on CD but the quality is kinda poor --- still worth having
tho.

tb


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Date: 06 Mar 2001 06:49:02 EST


In a message dated 3/5/01 9:08:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-)  The side read by the laser is
 the top, right?

 -Kevin
 --  >>

yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting
scratched.  that is where the info is.

i think kev was right in his assumption of such.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0On?= Finland
Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:24:22 +0100




> citerar Colleen Pyles <[e-mail]>:
>
> > Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that!  We have the dumbest TV
> > shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No
> > offense taken...believe me!

National pride forces me to disagree: WE have the dumbest AND most boring TV shows in the world!

"Einigkeit und Recht und Frei-i-heit..."

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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 14:15:53 +0100




[e-mail] schrieb:

>
> << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-)  The side read by the laser is
>  the top, right?

first I thought you are joking...

> yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting
> scratched.  that is where the info is.

the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something...

> i think kev was right in his assumption of such.

I still think he was joking...

>

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Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:29:01 EST


In a message dated 3/6/01 5:14:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< first I thought you are joking...

 > yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting
 > scratched.  that is where the info is.

 the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label
cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of
sun rays from its backside or something...

 > i think kev was right in his assumption of such.

 I still think he was joking...
  >>

i think this needs clarification.

kevin and i are of the mind set that a custom made label placed on the "top"
(or foil) side of the CD will keep the "foil" from being scratched off.  i
have had CDs where the foil side got a little nick taken out of it and it
caused the cd not to play right.  you can  see light shine thru a kicked cd.

in otherwords, the label would have to be scratched before the foil, thus
protecting the foil.

and let's make sure we know what i am talking about when i say "label".  i am
talking about a home made label that is placed on top of a CD-R.  and i
assumed that that is what kevin was talking about.  did anyone else think
that kevin and i ment differently?

i am not sure how anybody thought we would but a label on the "bottom" side
of a CD.  it would make the CD un-readable.  like kevin said "i'm (we're) not
a total idiot."

then again, with my half of idiot added to kevin's, we might approach a
"total" idiot.

tb


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From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods áOn Finland
Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:40:23


>National pride forces me to disagree: WE have the dumbest AND most boring
>TV shows in the world!
>
>"Einigkeit und Recht und Frei-i-heit..."
>
>Mo

Mo has a point. German TV is legendarily boring. We all have astonishingly
dumb TV, we just also get all the american dumb TV and other people's only
if it is good. Same with the movies, if a non-American film gets any
promotion here it has already undergone a preselection.
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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Oh, it's BAD TV you want...
Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:48:27 -0500


 From the UK, there was:

Chalk - What I saw of it did nothing for me.
Kelly Monteith - Sort of unfair; we Yanks sent him to you, but YOU put him
back on the air!


In the US, there was:

The Neighbors - a game show hosted by Regis Philbin and actually got
housewives to participate in such games as "Who Spread the Rumor?" Here is
a sample, "Here's the rumor, girls.  If Kathleen talked in her sleep, she
would whisper, "Raoul, Raoul...", who spread the rumor?"  At this point,
one had to guess which was telling the truth and which of the others were
lying.  It not only spawned a TV Guide article "Malice Doesn't Live Here
Anymore", but it was the first time that I ever wrote to a network about
the shoddy quality of a show.

It got canceled.  You're welcome.

"What's It All About, World?" - A variety show that I heard was bad and I
heard right.  Dig my review here:
http://us.imdb.com/Details?0063966#comment

On an on-topic note, my local PBS station showed an hour and a half special
about Dean Martin, which featured whole song clips.  Not bad, eh?

Don't get me started on Homeboys in Outer Space,
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From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville"
Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:35:53 -0600


    At 03:50 AM 03/06/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
>At 10:30 PM 3/5/01 -0800, Christine Karkow wrote:
>.>speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show?   I
>>am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is
>>her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ
>
>Tex and Edna Boyle?
>I've seen SCTV tapes at the video store but I doubt you could get a tape of
>nothing but commercials for Tex and Edna Boyle and their Organ Emporium.

i am not sure, but i have seen SCTV on after conan o'brien a couple of
times (don't ask what i am doing up at that hour)  perhaps you could check
your local listings and set your vcr.  i did see the count floyd program
that starred dr tongue in the 3D remake of "midnight cowboy" followed by a
panel discussion of the movie

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 15:55:49 +0100


Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 06:58:52 -0800


Moritz R wrote:
>
> [e-mail] schrieb:
>
> >
> > << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-)  The side read by the laser is
> >  the top, right?
>
> first I thought you are joking...
>
> > yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting
> > scratched.  that is where the info is.
>
> the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something...
>
> > i think kev was right in his assumption of such.
>
> I still think he was joking...

Yes, I was...

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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 15:02:51 +0000


Moritz R wrote:
>
> Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.

I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the
information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be
scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see
the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating.

Of course the unhelpful solution is to try not to scratch either side...


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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:44:02 +0100 (CET)



citerar Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>:

> Of course the unhelpful solution is to try not to scratch either
>side...


The truth is we handle our belongings very differently. Anyone who has
ever searched for LPs on a fleamarket will agree. I care for them
little things, and so they always sing for me! (without an argument!)

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Date: 06 Mar 2001 10:59:21 EST


In a message dated 03/06/01 10:28:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the
 information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be
 scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see
 the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. >>

and . . .

<<Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side
(=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of
course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a
CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on
label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.

Mo>>

i guess if we are getting technical this is what happens.  the laser actually
DOES read the top of the CD.  it reads little indentations in the foil.  so
the laser shines up from the bottom (on most players) passes thru almost the
entire thickness of the Cd and reads the indentations in the foil which is
applied to the top of the CD.

it does not take much to damage the foil at all.  if you place a sticker on
the top/foil side and then pull the sticker off, the foil will actually come
off with it.  if you drop anything sharp or pointed on the top/foil of the CD
it will damage the foil.

i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all.  it is applied to the
top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some
durability.

get you and old (and not exotica related) CD and try scratching the top with
various methods and you will see what i mean.

on this note btw, someone posted about a year and a half ago (i think it was
Chuck in New Orleans) that he tried to remove one of those home made sticky
labels and it pulled off nearly the entire foil.

when people talk about repairing "scratches" on a CD they usually talking
about polishing the bottom of the CD.  they are just making the bottom
smoother so laser can read better.  if the foil layer is damaged there is not
repairing the CD.

the previous discussion a year or so ago pointed out correctly that everyone
worries about the bottom side and neglects the care for the top/foil side.
that is where the information is.

you can even hold up a CD on it's side and see that almost all of the CD is
clear and that the foil layer is right on the surface of the top side.

does any of this sound familiar?

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Collectors
Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:47:47 +0100


>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there.
>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside?

    for the music only, and yet, if it comes without a cover, i
feel an urge, i have to have it _complete_ even if the cover is awful
to look at. i guess that's the collector in me...


>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP?

    no. CDs are far easier to get, and most of the time (for
Europeans!) cheaper than the original vinyl.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:05:29 -0500


OK, I tormented a cheap CD-R "coaster". Results:

Scratched (using moderate pressure) on top with fingernail. No damage.

Scratched with back end of wooden paintbrush. No damage.

Scratched with dull tip of a metal nail. No damage.

Slashed with a razor blade. Damage. Foil top peels right off. Easily.

Kind of contradictory. It seems to be very fragile, but you have to work to
exploit the fragility. There really shouldn't be a problem if you treat
your discs sensibly.

But if you really want to get heavy duty, check out the BASF CD-R Master
blanks, with a "hardened, white ceramic" top.

http://www.emtec-group.com/Professionals/Studio/Audio/Cd-R_Master/

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001
Date: 06 Mar 2001 18:15:44


> >PERCY FAITH    Black Magic Woman    Black Magic Woman    LP    Columbia
> >THE 3 RING CIRCUS    Fantastic Voyage    Groovin' on the Sunshine    LP    RCA
> >JOHNNY KEATING'S KOMBO    Delilah    Percussive Moods    LP    Phase 4
>
>Good choices!
>Can you get this online?
>I don't really know what else to say about those cuts except that I own
>them and I like to see them here, especially the Three Ring Circus.
>Do you ever play the vocal cut "Lovin Machine"?  That's the one I tend to
>put on compilations more than any other.


Thanks for the nice words Alan - yeah that 3 Ring Circus LP is fascinating,
and "Lovin' Machine" is probably my next favorite cut after "Fantastic
Voyage".  But what an odd album!  - and so few credits.  Another aging
record producer's vague idea of what it was to turn-on and get psychedelic,
I suppose.

I'm not sure I've seen the album mentioned here before - seems like it would
especially appeal to the now-sound and sunshine-pop people on the list.

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Subject: (exotica) Has anyone used spun.com?
Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:24:24 -0500


http://www.spun.com/music/browse-alpha.jsp?topgenre=Easy+Listening&subgenre=1640

I've just stumbled across this cd-exchange site. Has anyone used them?

Worth a try or run for the hills?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:44:39 EST


Actually, if you get a deep enough scratch on the label side of the CD (it'll take more than just fingerprints to do it), you'll end up with a nice little "sticking" sound coming out of your speakers.
Of course, there are some CDs that actually end up sounding better this way...
-DavidH


< I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the
  information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be
  scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see
  the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. >>

 and . . .

 <<Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side
 (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of
 course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a
 CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on
 label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence.

 Mo>>

 i guess if we are getting technical this is what happens.  the laser actually
 DOES read the top of the CD.  it reads little indentations in the foil.  so
 the laser shines up from the bottom (on most players) passes thru almost the
 entire thickness of the Cd and reads the indentations in the foil which is
 applied to the top of the CD.

 it does not take much to damage the foil at all.  if you place a sticker on
 the top/foil side and then pull the sticker off, the foil will actually come
 off with it.  if you drop anything sharp or pointed on the top/foil of the CD
 it will damage the foil.

 i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all.  it is applied to the
 top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some
 durability.


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Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 06 Mar 2001 20:33:15 +0100




[e-mail] schrieb:

> i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all.  it is applied to the
> top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some
> durability.

I hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. I never noticed that. I always thought that the foil is in the middle of the CD body. The surfaces even seem to differ in material. when you try to scratch into them with a fingernail, the top surface seems to be softer, like clear finish, as you say.


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Freddy
Date: 06 Mar 2001 11:44:48 -0800 (PST)


Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s
called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some
amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to
the British pop explosion... and with just one name
maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver?

Or is he simply bad?

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Subject: (exotica) Freddy Quinn
Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:15:32 +0100




Ben Waugh schrieb:

> Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s
> called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some
> amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to
> the British pop explosion... and with just one name
> maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver?
>
> Or is he simply bad?

yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer? hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg. tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich!


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Freddy Quinn
Date: 06 Mar 2001 12:30:55 -0800 (PST)


Bummer. Maybe I can exchange him for the Richard
Anthony I left behind.

"Fich le Camp, Jack", (and don't you better not come
back no more)

BW
--- Moritz R <[e-mail]> wrote:

> yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer?
> hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a
> softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg.
> tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge
> komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a
> "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x
> and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich!


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Subject: (exotica) the mysterious moai
Date: 06 Mar 2001 15:39:44 -0500


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1119290339

All you Easter Island "heads" should check out the above URL. Be sure to scroll to the bottom.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) n-pst-r alternatives
Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:21:37 -0500


Someone asked about N-pst-r alternatives. Here's a batch of download and/or comment links. Some are fresh, some are a little old.

http://www.zeropaid.com/

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/1,10150,0-10001-103-0-1-7,00.html?tag=srch&qt=napalt&cn=&ca=10001&SWlink=false?tag=srch1

http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/prespick/0301/index.html

http://dailymp3.com/otherutil1.shtml

http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/eVoid/July-2000/Napster-Alternatives.htm

http://www.indiatimes.com/infotech/downloads/napster.html

http://music.neopages.com/napster/alternatives.shtml

http://www.msnbc.com/news/471197.asp?0nm=B27F&cp1=1

Actually, the latest thing the last couple of days is utilities for encrypting filenames!

I've never even used Napster, but that new copy protection scheme for audio CDs rather annoys me.

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Subject: (exotica) Flexis/Cardboard Discs
Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:24:13 EST


Can't say that I was a big flexi fan myself (the frigging things always became unplayably bent too easily, and Eva-Tone was notorious for refusing to press  your record if it had "objectable" lyrics, as a few punk bands will testify) though it's always sad to hear of yet another format biting the dust.  Are there any European/Asian companies still producing them?

What I really want to know (and chances are you folks already discussed this in detail awhile ago) is who was responsible for pressing those CARDBOARD discs that used to appear on the back of cereal boxes, etc.?  Were they just a flexi on top of a round piece of cardboard?  (I found an Archies one a long time ago, but I ended up offering it as a premium during my station's fundraiser and another DJ nabbed it)
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Date: 06 Mar 2001 17:02:45 EST


In a message dated 03/06/01 2:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. I never noticed that. I
always thought that the foil is in the middle of the CD body. The surfaces
even seem to differ in material. when you try to scratch into them with a
fingernail, the top surface seems to be softer, like clear finish, as you say.


 Mo >>

don't feel bad that you had not noticed it.  that was the common comment when
we discussed this a year or so ago.

so now remember to pay more attention to the care of the top of the cd as
well as the bottom.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection
Date: 06 Mar 2001 23:09:20 +0100 (CET)



Recieved some essential albums today, First "Afro Cuban influence" by
Shorty Rogers, listen to it now and it seems as terrific as his "S R
meets Tarzan" LP. It is one of those albums I have nearly bought a few
times before but something other has been choosen in the last minute. I
am glad I have it now. "Surfers Paradise" by Alex Keack, an album on
Crown (Stereo CST 315), a little surface noise but not too bad. Very
jazzy exotica, quite good, and probably own material. With Crown you
seldom get any info of that sort. "Whistling on the beach of Waikiki"
Muzzy Marcellino, Stereo Coral (CRL 757441). Terrific and beautiful, as
I imagined, this is my second Marcellino LP i get. More swinging
exotica comes from "JUN'GALA" Marty Wilson and his orchestra. (mono WB
1326) I am very fond of his kind of exotica, makes me feel really good.
The girl on the cover looks like a girl I had a crush on some years ago.
Last but not least, "Themes from horror movies" Dick Jacobs and his
orchestra, Coral stereo (CRL 757240) an album I was totally unaware of
until some weeks ago, found it on ebay, a really beat up copy but I had
to have it as a start anyway, and it was really good, especially the
track picked from "The incredible shrinking man". Bob MacFadden does
the narration between tracks, speaks like Bela Lugosi and other horror
icons, absurd background B&W image (just the way i like em) of a
creature with three eyes and two tails. Tracks picked from "Son of
Dracula", "this Island Earth", "Creature from the black lagoon" etc.
Highly recommended if you enjoy that sort of neglected music.

So why the h**l do I complain at all ;)
If I lived in the fifties I bet you 1 million dollar that I had not
found any of these records for sale, nor would I have had the
possibility to watch the films due to swedens censorship policies back
then.

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Old=Good New=Bad
Date: 06 Mar 2001 14:32:05 -0800


>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:04:27 +0100
>From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
>
>Magnus Sandberg schrieb:
>
>> I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD
>> MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!'
>
>You mean I could just take any record or CD, lock it away, and after a
>while it would automatically turn into good music?

Fifty years ago, the answer would have been yes.

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From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Akira Ifukube Italian MP3 (?!?)
Date: 06 Mar 2001 23:59:21 +0100


http://www.mp3.com/akiraifukube

years ago there was a concert by the E.Chiti Orchestra performing Godzilla
music by Ifukube. It all appeared on a now deleted cd by Film Music Art
Studio.
Some of this material will be made available for streaming and/or
downloading, and there are also 2 spoken workd tracks with the composer
(appearing on video from Japan) thanking the musicians, the people and
Roberto Zamori who had organized the performance.
I will post updates about this page (as usual); for now we have free mp3
download of the Ifukube message in Italian, some minimal info on
filmography/discography, and links to 3 Godzilla compilations from Emusic.

have fun :)
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Subject: (exotica) Flexidiscs
Date: 06 Mar 2001 17:14:11 -0800


>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:00:38
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: (exotica) Bye bye flexi discs
>
>And, haven't flexi discs, pardon me, "soundsheets," been around much longer
>than 40 years?

There was a similar thing back in the thirties called "Hit of the Week"
records. Those were printed on cardboard.

See ya
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Subject: (exotica) Where to find Exotica clip-art for sale
Date: 06 Mar 2001 20:13:50 EST


Hello,

Anyone have a line on some affordable Retro / Exotica clip art for sale? I
teach a high school commercial arts class and am looking for something that
has some images or some cool retro fonts.  Any suggestions?

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Subject: (exotica) Freddy Quinn
Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:15:32 +0100





Ben Waugh schrieb:

> Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s
> called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some
> amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to
> the British pop explosion... and with just one name
> maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver?
>
> Or is he simply bad?

yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer? hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg. tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich!


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Where to find Exotica clip-art for sale
Date: 06 Mar 2001 20:34:11 -0500


on 3/6/01 8:13 PM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:

> Anyone have a line on some affordable Retro / Exotica clip art for sale? I
> teach a high school commercial arts class and am looking for something that
> has some images or some cool retro fonts.  Any suggestions?

check out the great stuff from House Industries - and don't miss their
groovy magazine as well. Tiki fonts, bowling fonts, outer space fonts, Las
Vegas signs (coming shortly, with music by yrs trly),groovy Chalet fonts and
silhouettes, and loads more all with clip art, vector graphics and more.
They're not free but they're reasonably priced and you can download some
from the site.

www.houseindustries.com

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From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tikiapolis
Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:01:24 -0600


Alohaderci,

Once again, I find myself on the road. This time I'm only going a 100 miles or
so down the road to Minneapolis. I've been looking around on the 'Web, but I
can't seem to locate much there in the way of Exotica now that King Kini's Club
Velvet appears to have shut down permanently.

So my question to y'all is, where can a fella go to get a decent umbrella drink
and hang out in a loud Hawaiian shirt while staying in MaryTylerMooreLand these
days?

Mahalo in Advance,

--
Matt Marchese
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nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate)
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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland
Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:56:24 -0500


Colleen wrote:
> Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that!  We have the dumbest TV
> shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No
> offense taken...believe me!
Yours may be dumb but ours are downright embarrasing. You ought to see the
stuff they pass off here to make the Canadian content quota! I challenge you
to watch our Genie? awards show(see I can't even remember the name!!!) for
films.  As a Canadian I don't know who hosts the thing or most of the time
any of the films they nominate (They missed out on a gem with Alan's film
but that's their loss).  And they make the French people (who produce the
majority of anything interesting anyway) speak in English. It hightly
patronizing and as everything else in this country, thoroughly
Toronto-centric.  The one thing I can say is we seem to have a very strong
and respectable East Coast music culture.  Its not to my tasted but at least
it doen't attempt to copy its American counterpart for a change!  I'm sure
everyone has a similar story in their respective countreies but the question
is what's the lesser of the two evils!!!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
Date: 06 Mar 2001 22:23:54 -0500


m ace wrote:
> >As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to
> >ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I
> >hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are
> >disappearing! -m.ace
> I haven't noticed that where I live. The thing about ebay is, something
> worth a dollar or two isn't really worth paying the listing fee for.
Well I have here and I'm trying to understand why myself.  Consider this
though... who is buying the stuff?  You cannot easily buy a turntable and
records are for the most part no longer produced.  The market for them is
very specialized, from DJs to old(er) collectors.  They take up a lot of
space in stores and they don't move quickly as the bad ones seem to stay.  I
used to go weekly to my favourite store only so I could catch the new
arrivals before they were filed and I had to look through whole bins of the
same records again.

But I first noticed this about 7 or 8 years back when LPs stopped being
produced commercialy and most stores stopped carrying vinyl, either new or
used. I then went on a major vinyl binge thinking I may never get another
chance at records that I knew would never see the light of reissue.  What
kept the spurt going was all these new exotica records I would have never
looked for back then, and which were being unearthed from basements and
radio stations and appearing in the right record stores whose owners knew
how and what to buy.  Well now the few stores that stuck with vinyl are
hugely overstocked with records that either aren't good, overpriced, or in
bad condition and I don't think they're buying at the same rate.  Oh sure
you can find records for $50-$100 at places like Dusty Grrooves or other
online stores, but my rule of thumb is I'd pay as much for an LP as I would
for a comparable CD reissue (ie up to CDN$25) but almost never more.  But
these LPs (at these prices) just don't seem to be appearing anymore and
Montreal is among the best places I've ever visited to find the stuff so
that's why I worry.

What does the future hold?  Well because of the sheer volume of LPs made and
the fact that many things exist in no other form, there will be a market of
sorts for a long time to come, unlike say 8 tracks which were never an
"exclusive" medium. But I do worry as private release cassettes, a format
which was the choice for any DIY artist back in the 70's as an exclusive
format, are nearly impossible to find and have been for some time.

If you ask me Ebay and other like businesses is the way this will all go as
the cost/profit ratio of running a vinyl stocked record store worsens. You
just gave to see the mounds of vinyl in the thrift stores, most of it going
begging even there, to know this won't go on forever.

Maybe its just because I haven't bought a record of any interest in many
months, but I do sense the times are changing and we're in for a dry spell
that we may not come out of.  That last note on the end of flexi-disc
production drives another nail into the coffin if you ask me...

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Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians
Date: 07 Mar 2001 01:48:06 -0500



> Does anyone have additional information about this band?
> I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are
> others or other information besides the actual records

I also have "Hawaiian Wedding Song" (Crown CST-535) which has the generic
"Music For Every Mood" back.  This one has a great cover with tapa print,
fishnet floats, and a chick with fishnet draped over her shoulder.

Looking at the track list, I'm gonna guess it's mostly songs pulled from
other Polynesians LPs.

Hawaiian Wedding Song
Island Moon
Lehua
Hawaiian War Chant
Rose Lani
Isle Of Golden Dreams
Orchid Lei
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From: Paul Wages <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001
Date: 07 Mar 2001 02:07:23 -0500



> KAIWAZA Voodoo Moon Hawaiian Holiday LP Wyncote

I included this one on an Exotica CD-R a made awhile back.  Good track.

It turns out that this is actually Ted Auletta's "Voodoo Moon".  Wyncote
borrowed it from Auletta's "Exotica" LP on Cameo.

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From: "William" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) music for children's events
Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:49:08 +0800


hi all,

  well, i finally broke down and picked up that disc that  looked just too
interesting to pass up(plus i could get a lisa ono disc at a cheaper price
by buying them together. that disc "bossa carioca" is very very good by the
way) - "music for children's events".  this is a japanese disc released on
the king record company(KICGG-8158). while i was picking this up i saw a
disc put out by the same company called "music for athletic events" that i
may go back and pick up as well. according to the obi strip in this series
are also discs called "travel english" and "everyday english" hmmm. the
music mainly sounds like stuff from the 50s and 60s. some of it being rather
interesting. makes me think of mary poppins for some reason(though i suspect
if you went into it expecting it to sound like that you would be
disappointed). both children and adults singing. and thankfully the kids
singing sound like real kids. not like some producers idea of what a kid
should sound like. i hate it when they make kids sing like they are 3 years
old when they are not.  i couldn't find any dates for when the songs were
released except for one date for 1908 but i suspect that is the year that
track may of been written but not this recording of it. one song, and it may
be the 1908 track has piano in it that sounds like its out of some old
western saloon or maybe made to accompany an old silent movie. the booklet
has illustrations teaching kids to do "the swim"(that is what the name of
that dance is isn't it?) and what appears to be some game elementary school
kids play in pairs where one person tries to hit your palm without you
grabbing(catching) their hands. there are two christmas songs included one
with vocals and one without. the only english song credits i see are the
following: "l. banfi - l. martelli" and "s. de pasquale(depsa)". does anyone
have any ideas as to who they may be? if anyone has any info about this disc
i would like to hear about it.

  while i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin disc called "black
widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but then i saw the word
remix so i wasn't sure what it was.  does anyone have this? i seem to recall
a vague discussion of this before.

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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The Lurk of Love is in My Guise
Date: 07 Mar 2001 06:04:46 -0600


Magnus--Thanks for the Don Ralke listing.  I don't edit the discographies
based on what I think rates as "exotica"--I list the records I know
about.  I use any source I can to get.

And I'll put in another plug for "Two Sides of Fred Waring."  Not only does
it have "Kites are Fun," it also has a decent version of "Walk On By"
(where the Pennsylvanians chant, "Walk, walk, walk on by;  walk, walk, walk
on by") and my favorite cut, "Rapido" (where they rise up and down the
scale like someone on a pogo stick, and sing "My heart beats [rapid bongo
beats] rapido."

Everytime I here it, my heart beats [rapid bongo beats] rapido.

Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though.

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Subject: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 07 Mar 2001 08:45:16 -0500


(Trying to send this again - it looks like I can "reply" and have my mail =
posted, but I can't send out an "original" or "cold" letter directly to =
"Exotica."  Weird....)

Had a laugh the other night.

I put on Lenny Dee "Dee-Licious" (with that ridiculously funny cover of =
the D man lounging in a hammock while two dangerously young and innocent =
lasses feed him chocolate bon-bons by his side).  My bro was there and =
said "Holy Shit!  They should put a warning label on that LP that it can =
cause irrepairable insanity!!" (He's got the twisted sense of humor too).

Then he went on laughing that it sounded like the power-supply was having =
extreme fluctuations - that's D's style to mmmmMMMM  , daaaaDDAAAAAA and I =
had to laugh because he was right - sounds exactly like the organ was =
being run by a hand-cranked generator and the guy was getting tired!!!

Man, to imagine Mom's and Pop's everywhere groovin' to these sounds on the =
console stereo sometimes boggles the mind!

And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, =
I'm lost I tell ya.......!! :-)

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland
Date: 07 Mar 2001 07:49:03 -0600


Brian wrote:

> Yours may be dumb but ours are downright embarrasing. You ought to see the
> stuff they pass off here to make the Canadian content quota!

Hmm, what about Lexx? It's one of the weirdest and most interesting shows that I
can think of at the moment, and it's a joint Canadian-German production filmed
in Nova Scotia. It's a hell of a lot better than just about anything on American
television at the moment. Any show that contains dialogue like, "The dead do not
poo" and features a horny robot head on a go-kart deserves high praise in my
view.

Damn, now I have the theme song stuck in my head:

"Vaiyo A-O, jerhume Brunnen-G!"


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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods =?iso-8859-1?B?yk9u?= Finland
Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:40:08 -0600


JB wrote:
>quite likely, but name 3 dumb Scandanavian Sitcoms...Quickly!!...
                         *******

The US, though, is very good at ripping off other sitcoms (and game
shows) and marketing them as their own, so who knows, maybe Will and
Grace was Scandinavian?


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR"
Date: 07 Mar 2001 08:22:25 -0800 (PST)


Speaking of E-Bay dealers. I recently won a copy
Zodiac Cosmic Sounds. I immediately paid the US
seller, who charged (jagcar)$5 in postage. The item
took a month to arrive. She shipped it in a flimsy
cardboard postal box. She did not so much as wrap it
in a newspaper. The cover stuck to the adhesive
stripping that seals the envelope (meant for shipping
documents in, not fragile items)and was destroyed
removing the item from the box.

Her auction did mention that the cover "has some wear"
- I can't tell, because the USPS box is wearing most
of it.

Despite claims of 100%* 30 DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE"
the seller has not responded to e-mail. This is the
only problem I have had with (a few) E-Bay dealers: no
sense of basic decency.

Apologies for the gripe,

BW

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Subject: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eilert=20Pilarm=20hits=20G=E4vle?=
Date: 07 Mar 2001 18:33:04 +0100 (CET)



The swedish elvis impersonator is in town! Tomorrow there will be
concert at "The Heartbreak Hotel". I will post a review in a couple of
days.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) The Lurk of Love is in My Guise
Date: 07 Mar 2001 13:11:30 EST


In a message dated 03/07/01 7:03:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though. >>

the christmas one has that neat, kind of hokey, home town america feel.  i
like it.

the ultra lounge actually did a spliced version of this on Christmas
Cocktails Vol 1. which is one of my top ten fav Christmas songs.

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From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 07 Mar 2001 14:31:45 +0100


Colleen had asked if the Zodiac Cosmic Sounds was reissued...
it was (unofficially) re-released on limited heavy vinyl in 1999, but
i never came across it, and have no idea were to look for it. try
http://www.gemm.com

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From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets
Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:40:13 +0100


Kevin Crossman wrote:

>I was under the impression that a label on the CD is a good thing for
>the CD-R, since the top surface is delicate. Do I have this wrong?

    no, you're right. the top surface is the most delicate side of a CD (R)

         Johan

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland
Date: 07 Mar 2001 11:11:13 -0800 (PST)


Yes. And, in my opinion, only because Strangers with
Candy and Freaks and Geeks proved inadequate fodder.
The TV guide and the NYT Best Seller list look
remarkably alike.
------------------------
I'm half tongue-in-cheek about about the formative
influence of ubiquitous entertainment media. But I'm
half serious as well. I don't believe that watching
Segal movies is harmful to anything more than your
wallet and vocabulary: but the atmosphere is radiant
with deformed expressions of human potential.
With regard to the awful event that occured in the
California high school the other day: assuming it's
true that we interpret the new, the alien, the random,
the unprecedented by the measure of what we already
know, we are audience to the coming of age of a new
world: students involved described the experience as
though it had a sort of cinematic texture to it: gore
resembled "fake blood capsules", the gunfire did not
sound like real gunfire: movie gunfire. Victims and
shooter are in the same loop.

too much caffeine again,

bw

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> Hmm, what about Lexx? It's one of the weirdest and
> most interesting shows that I
> can think of at the moment, and it's a joint
> Canadian-German production filmed
> in Nova Scotia. It's a hell of a lot better than
> just about anything on American
> television at the moment.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Fotonovelas
Date: 07 Mar 2001 12:04:05 -0800


Well...

Don't know if this will be of interest to anyone here... a friend has just scanned and posted in his yahoo broiefcase some scans of Mexican Fotonovelas... the first two pages are quite 'exotica-influenced', and then there is El Santo fighting against one of those wooden dolls usually used by artists to learn how to draw.

Nice thing to see... The address is http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/andrescaicedo

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Subject: (exotica) the sad sad world of popular media
Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:03:42 -0500


At 07:49 AM 3/7/01 -0600, Matt Marchese wrote:
>
>Brian wrote:
>
>> Yours may be dumb but ours are downright embarrasing. You ought to see the
>> stuff they pass off here to make the Canadian content quota!
>
>Hmm, what about Lexx?

Yeah Lexx can grow on you.  I ignored it for a long time and then I noticed
that some friends of mine had become involved and... it's definitely "unique".

This is a silly silly discussion though.  Almost all TV and movies stink.
No matter where they originate.  And things are getting worse.
The reason?  The people in charge.  The ones who say yes or no.  They're
changing.  They're less and less likely to be wannabe producers, writers
and directors.  More and more they're coming from non-filmmaking backgrounds.

Let me tell you a story.  A friend of mine, out of desperation, took one of
those expensive courses where they teach you digital editing.
Most of the kids in his class had no background in film. They weren't even
fans of film.  And they weren't all that curious.  Nonetheless they wanted
to be editors.
One day the head of the "department" took over their class and showed them
a film which supposedly would demonstrate "slow editing".
The film was Wim Wenders "Wings of Desire".
At one point, one of the students asked "When was this film made?"
Nobody seemed to know (except my friend but he shut up).
The teacher, the head of the media arts department, scratched her head and
said "I don't know but it must be the forties, judging from the black and
white and all..."

That's so mind boggling on so many levels.  My first reaction after hearing
the story and lifting my jaw from the table was "Either Peter Falk had a
father who looked just like him or he's remarkably well preserved!"

I tell that story to illustrate the fact that more and more people are
entering the film and television business with no love or knowledge of the
media.  They just want to get a good job in the wonderful world of
television production and they don't really care about anything else.

I could tell more stories.  When I read "Catch 22" and it never occurred to
me that someday, I would have stories from my own life that rivalled
anything in that book.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Off Topic - email snafu
Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:37:34 -0500


For a change, an email problem that doesn't involve xmission.

My email system lunched out last night/earlier today, so if you sent me an
off-list message and I didn't reply, it's because I didn't receive it
(checked the on-list action via the web archive).

Pardon me. Back to your regular programming.

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From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection
Date: 07 Mar 2001 20:52:54 -0800


Magnus scored:

<<"Whistling on the beach of Waikiki" Muzzy Marcellino, Stereo Coral (CRL
757441). Terrific and beautiful, as
I imagined, this is my second Marcellino LP...>>

Nice one Magnus!  All you exotica lovers won't be disappointed with this one
at all, it's wonderful.  All three of his whistling LP's are great.  "Birds
of a Feather" and (Art Linkletter's) "House Party Music" time are the
others.

Fred Lowery made more records, but as far as his LP's go, really only
"Whistle A Happy Tune" and "Walking Along Kicking The Leaves" are pop in
nature.  His other LPs are religious and not as much fun.  the Anita Kerr
singers do some vocals on the former and there is some beautiful hawaiian
guitar on the later.  Lot's of great Fred Lowery Columbia 78's - the 40's
were his heyday - the ones where he teams with vocalist Dorothy Rae are my
favorites.

Another great pop whistling record is by Art Coates, "Whistling For the
Birds".  a couple of my favorite tracks, Bubbles In The Wine and Yellow Bird
will surely bring a smile to the face of the most skeptical of whistling
recordings.

Then there is Ralph Platt (whose whistling is much more bird like) and his
buddy Lorin Whitney on pipe organ.  They made a bunch of records - all sound
about the same.  Now we are getting into the hard core sacred stereo stuff
on WORD and it's all pretty grim.  But I like it  :)  Whitney made lots of
religious records on his own and when paired with steel guitarist Bud
Tutmarc, the results are quite good - especially the Hawaiian themed ones.











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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Current Obsessions...
Date: 07 Mar 2001 21:03:50 -0800


...Brazil, Tico-Tico, and Nola.

I never could stand more than two versions of Caravan in succession, but the
afformentioned melodies seem to benefit from being juxtaposed with other
intrepretations of themselves.

Not that these are definitive versions, but I tend to favor the following:

Brazil - Esquivel. It's just so...BIG.
Tico Tico - Charlie Parker. Never heard it so ernestly played.
Nola - Billy Williams. How cool is HE?

ticotico.com has been registered  - Damn!

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Subject: (exotica) Tiki & Koala Bar
Date: 08 Mar 2001 14:48:39 +0100 (MET)



at:
http://www.krypton1.com/index40.html

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) oodly, oodly
Date: 08 Mar 2001 06:55:24 -0800 (PST)


Anyone know where I can get a copy of the OST from
"Chuck and Buck"? I need to tape that wonderful
godawful song "Freedom of the Heart". Seems not to be
available from the usual online vendors.

Oodly, oodly, oodly, oodly, oodly, oodly, fun, fun, fun...yeah!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) oodly, oodly
Date: 08 Mar 2001 07:39:26 -0800


Ha!

Glad to my wife and I weren't the only ones to enjoy this delightfully
twisted little film.

We caught it when it just came out and were not at all prepared for the
direction it suddenly took.

I can't remember if he is Chuck or Buck, but the guy always sucking on the
lollypops wrote and even briefly appeared in episodes of the excellent and
short lived TV series "Freaks and Geeks".

I've looked for the soundtrack ever since the day we saw the movie which was
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Subject: RE: (exotica) oodly, oodly
Date: 08 Mar 2001 08:02:59 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of basic hip
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:39 AM

> I can't remember if he is Chuck or Buck, but the guy always sucking on the
> lollypops wrote and even briefly appeared in episodes of the excellent and
> short lived TV series "Freaks and Geeks".

And the guy who plays Chuck (or Buck) and Chuck's (or Buck's) neighbor who
couldn't act are brothers in real life, and are the writers-directors of
"American Pie."

Later,
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) oodly, oodly
Date: 08 Mar 2001 08:03:25 -0800 (PST)


Yes, I loved it. At first I thougt it was going to be
some overdone Peter-Pan syndrome stalker film. But I
found it to sweet, warped, blackly funny - and, well,
exotic, given the usual fare. Miguel Marteta, who
directed C&B, directed Freaks and Geeks (the
cerebrally functional person's "That 70s Show")as
well.

But mostly it's that damn song. It's in my head like a
titanium plate. The composer is Gwendolyn Sanford...
can't find any releases.

--- basic hip <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Ha!

> Glad to my wife and I weren't the only ones to enjoy
> this delightfully
> twisted little film.

> I've looked for the soundtrack ever since the day we
> saw the movie which was
> months ago and no luck.  :(



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Date: 08 Mar 2001 08:13:31 -0800 (PST)


One more bit on this film:

Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers' "Astral Plane
was also part of the ST. Wonderful choice given
Richman's sometimes mordant, but always genuinely
childlike (in the sense of always attentive to the
basic marvel of daily existence)attitude. Sort of a
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection
Date: 08 Mar 2001 17:46:17 +0100 (CET)



citerar Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>:

> That's spelled PHILLIPS, actually...
>
> Brian...you know.


Brian, I hate to tell you this... But you are wrong, it's PHILIPS.

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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tikiapolis
Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:05:21 -0800


Hola Matt,

There used to be a great polyesian place I think at the old Lemmington.
this is where much of my love of polynesian dining started.  I'd always make
my parents take me there for my birthday.  Alas, this is of no help to you
now.

I don't know where you can find any Umbrella drinks in the Twin Cities.
However, if you haven't been there already, I do highly recommend Nyes
Polonaise Room, just north of the Mississippi on Hennepin Ave-great piano
bar and decor.  Plus, next door, there is usually a good polka group
playing.  The place is packed on weekends, and a loud hawaiian shirt would
fit in, though a polyester leisure suit would be more a propos.

a couple of years ago I went to a place on the Midway in St Paul called the
Turf Club, where they had a band playing pretty good bossa nova stuff.  This
is all I know, as my visits to Mpls are quite infrequent.

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From: "mark jung" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:Where to find Exotica clip-art for sale
Date: 08 Mar 2001 17:36:03


Dover Publications, america's greatest cheap little reprint house, has
started releasing CD-ROMs with typefaces (24 scalable fonts in upper & lower
case, both true type and postcript type 1 for mac & windows) and clip art
(b&w, 600 DPI in six formats, all between 100 - 300 images) for 14.95 for
the singles (with a printed book), or 4 for $49.95, and mega-bundles of 15
for $149.95. some GREAT stuff in there, copyright free, and they're adding
more titles each season.
  downside is, dover's the only company in the universe without a web site.
  call 516 294-7000 and ask for a catalog - "electronic clip art" & "display
fonts series" in their "pictorial archive catalog"'s what you want.

mark

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>
> > Anyone have a line on some affordable Retro / Exotica clip art for sale?
>I
> > teach a high school commercial arts class and am looking for something
>that
> > has some images or some cool retro fonts.  Any suggestions?
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From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help
Date: 08 Mar 2001 17:05:57 -0000


Hi

I'm an infrequent contributor to this list but always find it an excellent
source of info
regarding my developing musical tastes.

A big thank you to all of you for helping out - whether you were aware or
not!

I now plan to do less lurking and more contributing as I think I now have
something to
say regarding 'now sounds' (I'm less confident with exotica)

I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy
soundtracks.

I've just acquired the 'Hammersmith is Out' OST LP which is fantastic!

The tracks 'Kiddo' and 'Snake dance' are exactly what I'm searching for
(funky
organic grooves with brass).

I love the Blow Up comps, Italian library comps such as Sonorissima and
Sound Gallery
'now sound' type tracks.

I would like to know about OSTs that are worth collecting - with funky
tracks yes but also
with a real moody feel. Just like 'Hammersmith is Out'. I can't praise it
highly enough.

I know I'm not really contributing here to a discussion but any help would
be very much appreciated


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tiki Charms
Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:53:25 -0800 (PST)


Does anyone have a line on where to find gold
(14k)tiki charms? I can only come up with silver and plate.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet
Date: 08 Mar 2001 19:02:38 +0100 (CET)



The hero in my cartoon will soon walk by a tiki palace, a crucial
ingredience later in the story. I NEED PICTURES. Br Cleve sended me
some postcards a year ago, but I need more. Any idea of where to find
tiki restaurant images on the internet, from the outside this time?
Yes, I am waiting desperatly for a copy of Book of Tiki. Ordered it
three month ago by my local bookshop, but got tired of waiting and
choosed the Barnes and Noble website. Amazon.com always result's in
custom charges in sweden.
Kinda desperate, please help!

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From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD-Rs - Labels, protection
Date: 08 Mar 2001 15:32:46 +0100


Moritz wrote:

>I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot
>imagine why this should be the case.

    because the data layer is a very thin aluminium foil,
protected at the data side by a piece of plastic, and at the other
side by nothing more than the printing paint and some varnish...

         Johan

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help
Date: 08 Mar 2001 18:22:14 -0000



hello paul

>I've just acquired the 'Hammersmith is Out' OST LP which is >fantastic!

I agree, it's a gem of an OST, and how about that picture of topless chicks
playing drums for 'The Tits' on the back cover? can't beat that.


>I love the Blow Up comps, Italian library comps such as Sonorissima and
>Sound Gallery
>'now sound' type tracks.

you might like "Sound Spectrum" comp; the "Italia Erotica" comp on Bistro
records; and the "Psycho Beat comp. Volume 3"

>I would like to know about OSTs that are worth collecting - with funky
>tracks yes but also
>with a real moody feel. Just like 'Hammersmith is Out'. I can't praise it
>highly enough.

well, just off the top of my head:
1) THE ADVENTURERS by Ray Brown and Quincy Jones (funkish, sound-galleryish)
2) STILLETTO by Sid Ramin (not Funky, but very now-sounds)
3) BARBARELLA by Bob Crewe (unbeleivably good)
4) BULLITT by Lalo Schifrin (cool, 60's sounds)
5) THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR by Dave Grusin (some cool funkish, now-sounds, a
few lame tracks though)
6) THE DEADLY AFFAIR by Quincy Jones (very dark, samba-ish, light now sounds
-- sounds good at night)
7) FOLLOW ME by Stu Phillips (some cool 60's, wordless vocals stuff)
also, get any of the STU PHILLIPS biker OSTs (ANGELS FROM HELL or HELL'S
ANGELS ON WHEELS)
8) TRUCK TURNER by Isaac Hayes - goes for CHEAP on eBay, and I think it's a
great blaxplo OST. "Pursuit of the Pimpmobile" is 9 minutes of great 70's
street action soundtrack sounds. For blaxplo, I also like COFFY, MELINDA,
WILLIE DYNAMITE, and THE SOUL OF NIGGER CHARLIE.
9) HAMMERHEAD by David Whittaker - great OST, totally underrated and
overlooked. Very 60's ish, Sound-Gallery stuff
10) THE THEIF WHO CAME TO DINNER by Henry Mancini, has some fantastic slow
early 70's grooves. Might fit your request for "moody". Superb.

THERE ARE WAYYYYYY MORE THAN I'VE LISTED HERE - THIS AIN'T A COMPLETE
ACCOUNT. Others on this list will give better suggestions than I, but I like
OSTs a lot -- particularly the sort you're after -- and these came to mind.

for more info check out "blaxploitation.com" (they review tons of cool
OSTs).

best of luck Paul,
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From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) St. Poi
Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:23:51 -0600


Hola Christine!

Thanks for the skinny on Nye's. I almost went there last night, but opted
instead to try to find the legendary Bali Hai supperclub in Maplewood. Bali Hai
had it all; exotic drinks, Polynesian decor, greasy Chinese food, and even a
floor show with hula grrlz!

I say "had" because as I sadly discovered, the Bali Hai was torn down less than
a year ago to make room for....a Sprint telephone store!!!???

Jeez, when are we going to get our priorities straight and get with the program
in this country? Why do we continually demolish the coolest stuff from our past
and replace it with souless tilt-up concrete slab factories of rank commerce?
Why, why, why, why???

So there's apparently no tiki in the Twin Cities, dammit. Somewhere out on the
frozen tundra, a Lutheran farmer in a Hawaiian shirt and OshKosh B'Gosh overalls
is weeping.

Sadly,

Matt

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Date: 08 Mar 2001 13:51:42 -0500



Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
> The hero in my cartoon will soon walk by a tiki palace, a crucial
ingredience later in the story. I NEED PICTURES.

Try going to : http://pro.corbis.com/search and entering "tiki" or some other keyword.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet
Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:20:00 +0100 (CET)




> Try going to : http://pro.corbis.com/search and entering "tiki" or
some
> other keyword

Thanks Lou, there were some amazing pics there, some look like the
tikis at the Marquesas islands. I will definetely have usage of these,
but I found no restaurant images. No Tiki Pop. Maybe the idea is I have
to create them myself.... But it so difficult to get it.. right... you
know.. like it supposed to look...

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet
Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:32:10 +0100 (CET)



citerar Mimi Mayer <[e-mail]>:

> Mo has some great pix of Trader Vic's Munich on his site. Don't have
the
> URL handy, I regret. Think it's posted in the signature file on his
emails.
> Good luck, Magnus. Mimi
>

Yeah I know about those, completely incredible, but they are from the
inside!

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Subject: (exotica) Shooby Taylor MP3's
Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:00:32 -0800



I think some of you will dig this.  It's Shooby Taylor Time!

THE SHOOBY TAYLOR MP3 ARCHIVE

Plus there is a Wild Man Fischer Live Show from 1986 up too.

It's all in the Interstellar Cafe,
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Subject: RE: (exotica) Shooby Taylor MP3's
Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:28:34 -0800


From the bran flakes, be sure to follow the link to scrumpdillyishus (sp?)
land for some seriously funked-up shockwave goodies with all kinds of
incredibly-strange and exotic sound bytes, my fave being the Ken Griffin
"Kringle Jingle" snippets that one hears when the mouse passes over certain
text on the main page.

I was just there...Synchronicity!

Ron





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds
Date: 08 Mar 2001 22:19:37 +0100 (MET)


Colleen asked and Johan wrote:

> Colleen had asked if the Zodiac Cosmic Sounds was reissued...
> it was (unofficially) re-released on limited heavy vinyl in 1999, but
> i never came across it, and have no idea were to look for it. try
> http://www.gemm.com


I did get my copy in 1999 at:

http://www.w-voelkel.de/

It is a good mailorder for all kinds of 60s beat/punk/psychedelia and also
for exotic 60s Beat. He stocks stuff like the turkish delights comp, ultra
chicks or the yugobeat explosions. ( but I WARN you about "the greece goes
modern vol 1" Comp. very disappointing. Only bad covers sung in english

I am not sure how up to date & complete his website is.
Wolfgang (the nice guy who runs the mailorder) told me that the most of his
consumers still don’t use it. me too, but just because I know that his
regular mail-lists are better.

Martin

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help
Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:31:22 -0500


At 05:05 PM 3/8/01 -0000, Paul Hodge wrote:
>
>I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy
>soundtracks.
>
>I would like to know about OSTs that are worth collecting - with funky
>tracks

Well you heard from Mr.Brouwer and he's the man when it comes to this kind
of stuff.  I could try and add a few but I make a distinction between
groovy and funky and I'm not sure if the groovy soundtracks I like for
example "Kaleidoscope", are actually funky.
The only thing I can think of which is both groovy and funky is "Brewster
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From: Jane Fondle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Black Widow, mama
Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:41:28 -0800 (PST)


hile i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin
disc called
"black
widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but
then i saw the word
remix so i wasn't sure what it was.  does anyone have
this? i seem to
recall
a vague discussion of this before.

               william in taipei.

OH JEEZUS!  This is album is so fucking
fanstastic---you must take a superjet back to where
you saw it and go buy, NOW!  Among it's other charms
is a disco version of QUIET VILLAGE, and other nice
bitso-o-thee-now-sound!
Lovin Lalo,
Jane Fondle, who btw sez the RUSH HOUR ost that Lalo
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Date: 08 Mar 2001 19:43:23 EST



In a message dated 3/8/1 6:49:12 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>At 05:05 PM 3/8/01 -0000, Paul Hodge wrote:

>>I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy
>>soundtracks.

I happen to have a few handy here...These are primarily groovy with a dash of
funk in some places:

Neal Hefti-How To Murder Your Wife
Hugo Montenegro-Lady In Cement
Nino Rota/Armando Trovajoli-Boccaccio '70
Jimmie Haskell-I'll Take Sweden
Francis Lai-Live For Life
Pete Rugolo-The Sweet Ride
Michel Legrand-The Young Girls Of Rochefort
Unknown-Palm Springs Weekend
Neal Hefti-Lord Love A Duck
Frank DeVol-Guess Who's Coming To Dinner
Andre Previn/Johnny Williams-Valley Of The Dolls
Ken Thorne-Inspector Clouseau
The Association-Goodbye Columbus
Luiz Bonfa/Eumir Deodato-The Gentle Rain
Johnny Williams-Penelope
Dennis Farnon-Arrivederci Baby!
Johnny Williams-How To Steal A Million
Stelvio Cipriani-Come Together
Neal Hefti-Barefoot In The Park
Johnny Williams-Not With My Wife You Don't
Lynn Murray/Burt Bacharach-Promise Her Anything
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From: Jane Fondle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) A Secret Revealed
Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:47:57 -0800 (PST)


=?iso-8859-1?Q?Eilert=20Pilarm=20hits=20G=E4vle?=

The swedish elvis impersonator is in town! Tomorrow
there will be
concert at "The Heartbreak Hotel". I will post a
review in a couple of
days.

Magnus


Magnus IS the Swedish Elvis!
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Subject: Re:  (exotica) Black Widow, mama
Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:49:39 -0800 (PST)



--- [e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/8/1 7:42:25 PM, you wrote:
>
> >hile i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin
> >disc called
> >"black
> >widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but

> >a vague discussion of this before.
>
> its Lalo on late CTI, circa 1976, and while it has
> its moments I'd say avoid
> it unless you really like CTI post 1973 fusion....JB

Well, darling, dearone...You and I rarely spar, but I
gotta say it's killah and I am partial to things CTI!
William, et al, purchase at your peril, but Jane sent
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From: kendoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) tiki mugs
Date: 08 Mar 2001 18:03:13 -0700


i've had a banner week at the thrift stores finding tiki items -- mugs
of all sorts on three different occasions, tiki salt 'n' peppa shakers,
as well as some non-tiki related souvenir items. my question is: are
wooden tiki mugs okay to drink from or are they strictly decorative
(like those collectors plates that are only good for hanging on the wall)?

mike


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Subject: Re: (exotica) music for children's events
Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:36:32 -0500



>   while i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin disc called "black
> widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but then i saw the word
> remix so i wasn't sure what it was.  does anyone have this? i seem to
recall
> a vague discussion of this before.

It's one of my favourites - not typical of other Schifrin stuff at all, but
very funky if it's the Black Widow CD - but I'm curious about the "remix"
part - perhaps it's not the original, but a remix version, in which case,
I'd love to know what it is!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) re:oodly
Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:38:55 EST


I watched the first half of Chuck & Buck last night and fell in love with
that song. I was driving today thinking that  I would check the credits and
find out where to find it.  Oddly enough, I just saw Freaks and Geeks for the
first time - I stumbled across a marathon showing on the family channel. I
stopped changing channels when I saw that blond. She just...uh.....reminded
me of high school. Great show. And now I'm off to find out what happens to
Chuck and Buck. And find that song.
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Subject: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck)
Date: 08 Mar 2001 18:14:11 -0800


For those of you wondering what the heck this song is that is dancing in our
heads, hear a little snip at the official site:

http://www.chucknbuck.com/

make sure you click on the "enhanced" lollypop



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Subject: (exotica) Looking for Michael Greenberg
Date: 08 Mar 2001 19:44:33 -0800


Michael Greenberg, are you out there?  If so, please drop me a line.  or if
anybody has his email, please send it to me.

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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck)
Date: 08 Mar 2001 23:18:56 -0500


Okay, so now it's dancing in all of our
heads...oodlyoodlyoodlyoodlyoodlyoodlythanksthanksthanks...

Has this movie been released?  I haven't heard of it, but it may not have
made it to our fair country yet (or the wonderful "nation of Quebec"...)

cheryl

> For those of you wondering what the heck this song is that is dancing in
our
> heads, hear a little snip at the official site:
> http://www.chucknbuck.com/
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Subject: Re: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck)
Date: 08 Mar 2001 23:29:43 -0500


At 11:18 PM 3/8/01 -0500, cheryl wrote:
.>
>Has this movie been released?  I haven't heard of it, but it may not have
>made it to our fair country yet (or the wonderful "nation of Quebec"...)
.
I'm sure it made it there.  It's on video here.
And it's good.
7 out of 10.
maybe 8.

AZ



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Subject: (exotica) Marisa's computer
Date: 08 Mar 2001 22:43:49 -0800


Hey, all you mac experts...Marisa needs your help!

I am absolutely clueless for macs (me know pc, no mac!), but I bet you have
an idea.  Marisa says she checked her email and visited some sites
yesterday afternoon at lunch.  Everything was working fine then.  But when
she came home from work the browser simply wouldn't launch.  She says she
spent 4 hours trying to get it to go...to no avail.

Her computer, she says, is a Mac PowerPC 600 (or 6000, one of those) with
an 8.0 OS, and the browser is Netscape Communicator 4.51.  The browser is
launched by a document called Browse the Web, which is located in the
Desktop Folder,
which is an invisible folder on the hard drive.  Marisa also says her modem
is doing its thing and she didn't touch the settings.

Someone had suggested she reload Netscape and her operating system...but
Marisa doesn't have the original software.

What can she do?

Byron


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Subject: (exotica) Marisa's computer--addendum
Date: 08 Mar 2001 22:48:14 -0800


BTW--Marisa joined the list like a year ago but later left...but she still
enjoys the music that is USUALLY the list topic.  Sorry about an off-topic
question (I didn't MEAN to send it here...but I hope you can help anyway).


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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) tiki mugs
Date: 09 Mar 2001 11:42:48 +0100




kendoll schrieb:

> are wooden tiki mugs okay to drink from or are they strictly decorative

I'd say decorative, although it's of course up to the personal taste of e=
verybody, how to use items of style. most wooden tiki miugs I know have a=
 handle, as if they were designed to drink hot drinks, such as tea and co=
ffee or punch from them. maybe, but as wood is a bit sensible to humidity=
 and heat, I would rather not do that either. these wooden mugs are not e=
xpensice though - which puzzles me, as they are hand-carved. I think they=
 are the right mugs to give to your children. just cut of the handle and =
your child has a nice personal mug for the years 4-10.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Secret Revealed
Date: 09 Mar 2001 13:13:59 +0100 (CET)



 Jane Fondle wrote:

> Magnus IS the Swedish Elvis!
> Love, 'Cilla

Well she oughtta know, we have been engaged you know... For an hour at
least. Before she married. I miss your kisses dear.

Eilert Pilarm was great!!! I'll write a report later today


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck)
Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:01:06 -0800 (PST)


Awesome. That a cup of tar-black coffee makes the
morning boot-up a pleasure. It's in my startup menu.

(All I need now is a Banana Splits-yellow VW van and a
90 minute tape of that song!)

Thanks!
--- basic hip <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> For those of you wondering what the heck this song
> is that is dancing in our
> heads, hear a little snip at the official site:


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) tiki mugs
Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:07:55 -0800 (PST)


I have quite a few of these mugs (and even a wooden
ladle which is like the cups and has a tiki for handle
 as well), some of which claim to be hand carved from
"monkey pod wood." Sure. I assumed they were used as
punch vessels: scoop out of the bowl, or, if you have
the tiki ladle... But I have never drank out of any of
them because I'm not so sure how clean you scrub 30-40
year old wood. I think of trenchmouth dozing in the
cells of the wood.


>
>
>
> kendoll typed:
>
> > are wooden tiki mugs okay to drink from or are
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet
Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:18:46 -0800 (PST)


Try this one on, my brother:

http://www.maikai.com/

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Subject: (exotica) Thanks for Michaels address
Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:44:00 -0800


Thanks for the help, my friends!



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Subject: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert
Date: 09 Mar 2001 18:43:45 +0100 (CET)



Eilert Pilarm at the Heartbreak Hotel in G=E4vle mars 8 2001

I was looking forward to the concert this night, Eilert Pilarm was=20
about to sing, and I have enjoyed his off beat interpretation of Elvis'=20
wellknown reportoir for some 5 years. I have never seen him perform=20
live. The concert was starting at 11 pm, at the Elvis-soaked "The=20
Heartbreak Hotel" in G=E4vle, Sweden. This is the place to go to if you=20
are middle aged and like to dance to fifties rock and schlager. I have=20
been there a few times before and it is quite amazing, no hostile=20
atmosphere as the places with younger crowds in this town can have.=20
Often very drunk guests, but big smiles and a companero approach. I=20
drank a bottle of red wine to my dinner, just to get me in the right=20
mood.=20
In the taxi I was adviced to buy rave music, the driver was playing=20
some of that techno I cant stand, but he was kind of funny, I told him=20
I was going to see an Elvis impersonator who sang quite funny, but he=20
did not get it, instead he complained about the places in the town,=20
that there were no places for rave's anymore. I was glad when I got out=20
of his car.
The ticket costed about $10, nothing to complain about, and I instantly=20
felt that this was going to be an special night because IT WAS CROWDED.=20
The middle aged seemed to have stayed home, and instead it was people=20
in their twenties there. Eilert Pilarm  may have gathered attention=20
from a whole new audience since he started to show up on the commercial=20
television doing advertising playing himself for a company I can't=20
recall. I stood 30 minutes and waited to order a cider, the personel=20
had T-shirts with Eilert Pilarm prints, made especially for the=20
evening, and I thought if I was going to ask them how much they costed,=20
but I choosed not to. All of a sudden I heard the wellknown voice of=20
Eilert and when I turned around the small scene with the dance floor=20
was very crowded, I did not see Eilert, but I knew he was somewhere in=20
that mess performing. I lit a cigarette and started to move forward=20
into the crowd, while paying attention to the peoples faces and words.=20
Only happy smiles to my surprise and an occasional -"He is sooo bad..=20
It's incredible" or "He is so funny!". While coming close enough so I=20
could see him I parked myself at one of the loudspeaker's, the volume=20
was quite low so it was not painful. A little lowdown was that he=20
performed with a prercorded tape, but he sang for real. There was=20
something about his eyes that hit me, he was enjoying himself bigtime!=20
His eyes shined like stars! The crowd pulled out their hands towards=20
him wanting him to touch them and so he did between the songs, to their=20
joy. I noticed some affacionados that smiled towards me, like they were=20
saying "Is it not great?" "He is for real!" Are You Lonesome Tonight?=20
Blue Suede Shoes, Don't Be Cruel and Hound Dog was among the songs he=20
sung, now for those of you who have not heard him I can tell you that=20
he doesnt know how to speak english, he just tries to sing the same=20
tones as his beloved Elvis sings them, and sometimes he gets it all=20
wrong, but that only makes it better off course. Then he started=20
singing Blue Hawaii and I screamed like all the others "YEAH EILERT=20
EILERT EILERT". I noticed that the people behind me, who was merely=20
laughing at first was all exitement now. HE HAD US ALL UNDER HIS=20
SPELL!!!
Pretty soon all was dancing like Elvis himself was on stage, and there=20
was a real loving feeling in the air. Some of the elder ones looked=20
really nostalgic, liked they missed their youth. I think it went on for=20
about an hour, he delivered the classics from his CDs, and even some=20
stuff that I did not know about. Suddenly it was over, but we wanted=20
more, so a lot of screams later he came up on stage and performed a=20
very touching version of A fool such as I. The words hit me and I felt=20
a sadness, but not for long, Eilert was really happy this night and he=20
make us all feel a little better, and I left the place while he was=20
doing his last number. I walked home in the darkness, bought a hot=20
dog... Everything was back to normal again. But the memory lives on, A=20
memory of an honest man doing his best. He is very touching and people=20
feet that this guy does not fool you like all the other artists=20
nowadays. Eilert Pilarm is something else. Ford, Johan... You should=20
have been there!

Magnus


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From: Eric Taub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Devo Members Reunite As Surf Band
Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:58:12 -0500


Don't think this is too off topic
Link here (Took me several tries as the server was busy).

http://www.billboard.com:80/daily/2001/0307_06.asp

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Subject: (exotica) Ferrante & Teicher interview appeal
Date: 09 Mar 2001 10:05:38 -0800


Hi all,

I'm going to be interviewing Art Ferrante and Lou Teicher on LuxuriaMusic
this MONDAY March 12, at 9:30 AM (pst)/12:30 PM(est)...for about a half
hour.This is their first inteerview together in 12 years!!


 Though I will be talking mostly about their new release and, also their
upcoming return to prepared-piano recordings (!!!!), I thought it would be
fun to canvass the afficionados out here for interview question suggestions.
If there's anything you'd like to know...here's your chance .Bear in mind,
this is a pretty brief interview, so I'll probably only be able to get to a
few questions, but I'll definitely use the best ones!That's what a resource
like this is good for!

Please reply privately to my Yahoo account: [e-mail]

Have a great weekend!!

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert
Date: 09 Mar 2001 10:35:32 -0800 (PST)


To hear den Kung (and you should):

http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/ljud.html

Perhaps Steven Van Zandt could lend his elvonic
toupee:

http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/eilert.html

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>
> Eilert Pilarm at the Heartbreak Hotel in GΣvle mars
> 8 2001


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Laughs in Sweden
Date: 09 Mar 2001 19:39:00 +0100 (CET)



I just heard on TV in a news report on laugh-therapists that in the
fifties we laughed approximately 18 minutes per day. Today we laugh 6
minutes per day, A girl who was interviewed said this: "We live in a
serious country, we are serious poeople, that is why we are facing
serious problems".

It all can't be that serious 'cause we live in a fairytale, we have a
King and Queen.

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From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.)
Date: 09 Mar 2001 14:07:35 -0500


This reminds me of the LP "Sleep Dirt" by Frank Zappa.  The CD is actually =
produced much *differently* so that that songs are actually NOT the same =
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Subject: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help
Date: 09 Mar 2001 11:25:46 -0800


>I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy soundtracks.

I would highly recommend the Jazzbeat comps, as well as the Shake Sauvage comp. Sound library tracks, with a wealth of different kinds of material you might like. And I believe that the Truck Turner soundtrack was just reissued. A lot of people like the Shaft soundtrack, but I think that's just because it's a more popular film. I think Truck Turner is a much better soundtrack, or let's just say I like listening to it, and playing it, unlike the Shaft soundtrack.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Laughs in Sweden
Date: 09 Mar 2001 14:45:35 -0500


At 07:39 PM 3/9/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
.>
>I just heard on TV in a news report on laugh-therapists that in the
>fifties we laughed approximately 18 minutes per day. Today we laugh 6
>minutes per day.

I'd be more interested in finding out what makes people laugh than how much
they laugh.

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Subject: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:02:37 -0800


>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:23:54 -0500
>From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers
>
>You cannot easily buy a turntable and

Turntables are still being made for as low as a couple hundred
bucks new, and you can get good deals on used ones at ebay.

>records are for the most part no longer produced.

That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music
is no longer produced for the most part either. CD is fine for
stuff recorded digitally.

>The market for them is
>very specialized, from DJs to old(er) collectors.  They take up a lot of
>space in stores and they don't move quickly as the bad ones seem to stay.

I don't see records in retail stores, except for expensive specialty
shops. But they are at just about every garage sale, library book
sale and swap meet I go to. You just need to plug in to the right
places to look.

>If you ask me Ebay and other like businesses is the way this will all go as
>the cost/profit ratio of running a vinyl stocked record store worsens. You
>just gave to see the mounds of vinyl in the thrift stores, most of it going
>begging even there, to know this won't go on forever.

I can still find piles of 78s, and they haven't been made since the
early 60s, so I wouldn't throw out that turntable yet.

See ya
Steve

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Subject: (exotica) Fred Waring
Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:02:40 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>In a message dated 03/07/01 7:03:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though. >>

Fred Waring had a career that goes back to the late 20's. You
are looking at the wrong end of the animal. In the early 30's
he had a hopping little dance band. I see a lot of mention
of artists like Xavier Cugat, Les Brown, Guy Lombardo and
Waring on here referring to their mid to late 60's LP's... Very
little of this stuff is much good for anything but novelty
value. Go back a few decades, and you'll find that these guys
put out first class music that you can listen to without that
"so bad it's good" sneer on your face.

See ya
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From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) groovy soundtracks
Date: 09 Mar 2001 19:09:15 -0000


Thanks to everyone who's suggested groovy/funky 'now sound' type
soundtracks.

I'll be keeping a close eye on ebay for these - although I guess some of
them go for
a small fortune?!

Any more I should look out for?

Two other favourites of mine - Get Carter & Vampyros Lesbos. I never get
tired of these.

Another question: did The Free Design ever contribute to a soundtrack. Just
a thought
(and a very nice one at that)

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laughs in general
Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:02:24 -0800 (PST)



One comedian said that "nothing is funnier than
unhappiness." (cf. Three Stooges...). The suffering of
incongruity.

In a pinch, N2O does a particularly fine job, too.

--- alan  zweig <[e-mail]> wrote:
day.
>
> I'd be more interested in finding out what makes
> people laugh than how much
> they laugh.
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 09 Mar 2001 21:34:13 +0100 (CET)



citerar bigshot <[e-mail]>:

> That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music
> is no longer produced for the most part either. CD is fine for
> stuff recorded digitally.


I agree with you, but it does not feel very good to do so... What has
happened with humanity? Somehow it feels that the devil in us is just
agressive and dark, and the other side is just following its trail. We
work harder than ever before and we listen to music for robots. Now
when I had my psychosis I experienced a nazi takeover, I just wasnt
able to make my own decisions, lets hope this was only something in my
imagination and my awareness of my dark inner self, anyway those
experiences is long gone now, except sometimes in my dreams. I have
even dreamt of meeting Hitler, I walked up to him and asked him: "Mr
Hitler, wouldn't it be nicer if we all loved each other instead of
hating?" My mind just couldnt give an answer to that so I awoke.

Even since the 80s I have seen a pleasant world being concured by
yuppies and technofaschist people, I just wish for those people to go
away and leave me alone, or to see a revolution in pure human emotion,
to kick their asses and start a better way of living. When I was little
I hated christianity, because the lively part of me was a beast, now
when seeing the insane state our world has come into, I am ashamed and
actually feel responsible. I feel more at easy with the generation
before me, and the one before them. It is something about decency, that
I just think my generation lack.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Sound ONline Inventory and Catalog
Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:07:10 -0500


A tip o' the 10 gallon hat to The Scout Report for bringing this site to my attention:


SONIC - Sound ONline Inventory and Catalog
http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/

The Library of Congress has recently released an online catalog that
allows access to the records of the largest publicly available audio
collection in the world. SONIC contains approximately 350,000
entries, representing over 25 percent of the Library's sound
recording holdings. SONIC offers information to the public for the
first time about a number of collections. These include over 100,000
45 rpm discs, 82,000 78 rpm discs, 68,000 NBC records from the
1930s-60s, 1,500 WWII Marine Corps combat recordings, and 2,000 "Meet
the Press" broadcasts, among others. Visitors may search the catalog
by keyword, title, name, or subject. Also available are several
special "search screens" for specific searches, such as radio
broadcasts, music only, or spoken word only. Audio samples are not
provided online; instead the site lists standard catalog information,
such as title, publication status, medium, work(s), genre, and a
brief phyical description. The site includes a guide to using the
collections and two finding aids.
From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2001.
http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/




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From: Peter Gingerich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:11:09 -0500


hi

looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses.
Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions?

thanx

pg


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Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:17:54 -0500


Do you mean the Glass Harmonica aka Glass Armonica?
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22glass+harmonica%22
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22glass+armonica%22



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hi

looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses.
Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions?

thanx

pg


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Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:25:44 -0500


Sorry, Peter, did you mean Glass Harp, and not Glass Armonica?
Try these, or enter "glass harp" in an engine (but watch out for links meant for that 60's power trio):
http://www.glasharfe.de/texte/Glasshrp.htm
http://www.masterpiece.cc/glasses.htm
http://glass.4mg.com/anglais.htm


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hi

looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses.
Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions?

thanx

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Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 15:42:18 -0600


If you mean the Glass Harmonica, there's one called "Music for
Glass Harmonica" (Vox Unique 9008) by Bruno Hoffman.  It's all
classical works, however.  Don't know of any glass harmonica
recordings of popular music, but it would be a gas!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) more uses for glass
Date: 09 Mar 2001 17:12:45 -0500


http://www.finkenbeiner.com/links.html
http://glass.4mg.com/discoangl.htm

and check here for links to Glass Music International, the association of people who insist on getting sounds out of glass:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22glass+music+international%22


off to hoist a few glasses of my own,
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From: kendoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 17:24:34 -0700


Peter Gingerich wrote:

> looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses.
> Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions?

i have a cassette of glass harmonica music by The Furry Eggs (94 rue de
l'Espinay, Quebec, Quebec, Canada G1L 2H5 -- it's an old cassette so
this address may not be useful). besides classical pieces, they do
versions of moon dance, eidelweiss, chopsticks and moon river. they
provide this note:

"The glass harmonica or angelica was invented in 1749 by Richard
Pockeridge, and reached its peak with Mozart's Adagio and Rondo in 1791.
Its demise early in the 19th century was probably due to the belief that
its harmonic tones could cause nervous disorders."

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Date: 09 Mar 2001 19:34:06 EST



In a message dated 3/9/1 4:08:17 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses.
>
>Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions?

A CD-Rom called "Thinkin' Things" for kids has a duck that plays some wine
glasses...Hope that helps...JB


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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) off-topic MAC query for [e-mail]
Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:50:28 -0800


I'm trying to help our friends with the Netscape problem, and I suspect
Zapping the PRAM and rebuilding the desktop will help, but I forget how to
do these things as i have not had a mac for a few years now.

Would a current Mac-owner please post the basic steps to these procedures?

Otherwise I'll dig through an old mac book and see if I can find it.

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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 18:24:26 -0800


don't know of any recordings of wine glasses but there used to be a
bartender at the Minneapolis Club in Great Falls Montana who used to play
songs on all of the liquor bottles.  This isn't any help, but just a memory
that I had to share.

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Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 09 Mar 2001 22:05:18 -0500



>"The glass harmonica or angelica was invented in 1749 by Richard
>Pockeridge, and reached its peak with Mozart's Adagio and Rondo in 1791.
>Its demise early in the 19th century was probably due to the belief that
>its harmonic tones could cause nervous disorders."

Somewhere I've heard the theory that the nervous disorders (suffered by
musicians playing the instrument) were caused by high lead content in the
glass bowls (or lead paint on the bowls), which was absorbed through their
wet fingertips.

The instrument makes a cameo appearance in Thomas Pynchon's "Mason &
Dixon", at the hands of Ben Franklin in a Philly pub.

(what an oddly constructed sentence)


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Subject: Re: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert
Date: 09 Mar 2001 10:03:08 -0600


Magnus,
Your review was wonderful, I felt your excitement.  Is he well known
all over Europe or just Sweden?  It sounds like you had a wonderful
night...thanks for sharing it.


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From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife
Date: 10 Mar 2001 08:04:52 -0000


On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks...

Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST?

And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...?

I've yet to see the film...what's it like?

Thanks in advance

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Subject: Re: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert
Date: 10 Mar 2001 11:11:55 +0100 (CET)



citerar Colleen Pyles <[e-mail]>:

>
> Magnus,
> Your review was wonderful, I felt your excitement.  Is he well known
> all over Europe or just Sweden?  It sounds like you had a wonderful
> night...thanks for sharing it.

Well, from what I have heard he is featured with a chapter in Irwin
Chusids book about outsider artists, "Songs from k to z" or something
like that, i have not read it myself, maybe some other listee can tell
us... He was voted "artist of the year" in some radio show in great
britain, but I dont know if he is that famous... He does his own thing.
He is a truly original, the kind that unforunately seems to disappear,
over here anyway. Thanks for the kind words about my review, yes it was
wonderful. The sparkle in his eyes I will never forget. I am glad you
liked it :)

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 10 Mar 2001 14:06:52 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> citerar bigshot <[e-mail]>:
>
> > interesting music is no longer produced for the most part either.
>
> I agree with you

I really can't believe such comments. I think we are living in one of the most interesting productive period in music history. I guess it owes partly to this kind of attitude that people like Jill Mingo left this list. That is, I don't just guess - I *know* it.

Here's a quote from the popnouveau list:

> I think the new Pizzicato 5 LP is one of their best yet. I don't think it
> is particularly housey - I think it sounds very traditional and very
> poppy. Absolutely fresh and retro-influenced. Nothing mixed about it for
> me. It fucking rules!!! I can't stop listening to it, and I've never
> really been their biggest fans although I do like them (or I wouldn't
> have shelled out $30 for the CD!)
>
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Devo Members Reunite As Surf Band
Date: 10 Mar 2001 14:42:22 -0000







Eric typed:
>
>Don't think this is too off topic
>Link here (Took me several tries as the server was busy).
>
>http://www.billboard.com:80/daily/2001/0307_06.asp


This is so far ON topic, it's scary!

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Subject: (exotica) What is happening in Milano, Italy ?
Date: 10 Mar 2001 17:03:14 +0100 (MET)


A friend of mine (Julia, a very nice person) will stay the next time in
Milano for a practical course.
Can someone recommend her interesting things like night live/clubs (she
likes brasil, organ grovves etc.) and modern art. ?
Isn't the home from SCHEMA Records Milano ? so where do they play there
fantastic records ?
BTW the new SCHEMA 12inch Descarga by Gerardo Frisina is ABSOLUT FANTASTIC,
HOT HOT HOT GROOVY BONGOS...

Thanks a lot

Martin

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From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) new Tipsy
Date: 10 Mar 2001 08:20:20 -0800


Anybody out there heard the new Tipsy "Uh-OH"? I got it on Tuesday and am
still digesting it. Sounds all as about as good as their first one, maybe
better??!! The samples are not as easily recognised like on the first one,
sounds like they really did some crate diggin' for this one. Surprised to
find a friend of mine played some drums on it.

Gotta listen to it more to give a real critique.

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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 09 Mar 2001 23:08:05 -0600


Hi guys,
One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman.
Did he do anything else? And is this song on any comps or anything?
I'm having trouble finding a copy of it.


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From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife
Date: 10 Mar 2001 12:46:18 -0500


on 3/10/01 3:04 AM, Paul Hodge at [e-mail] wrote:

>
> On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks...
>
> Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST?
>
> And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...?

groovy jazz, mostly, with some swinging go go. A nice mid-60's track. Almost
all of Hefti's tracks have these qualities ("Duel At Diablo", a western,
doesn't, nor does "Synanon", a drama about junkies).

The only thing about Hefti is he usually writes one theme and then just
keeps rearrangeing it, but it's usually a hell of a theme and the
arrangements are inventive.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 10 Mar 2001 12:50:39 -0500


on 3/10/01 12:08 AM, Colleen Pyles at [e-mail] wrote:


> One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman.
> Did he do anything else?

I've got a pretty groovy record by him called "Turned On" (Jubilee) - the
cover of which features Moe starpped into an electric chair. Oh yeah, he's
wearing a white Nehru suit, with yellow turtleneck and a medallion. Nice!
It's Now Sound funk with some nice breakbeats.

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From: buMp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) new Tipsy
Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:54:24 -0500


yes yes yes
it is definitely one to listen to over and over
getting better and better with every listen.
way out tracks, cool groovin tracks, beautiful tracks, rockin' tracks
yet another masterpiece.
i have yet to hear an electronica band sound better than these guys.
uh oh  jongoooooo!
way to go dave!, (where R U?)

a quick 2 cents
bump


>Anybody out there heard the new Tipsy "Uh-OH"? I got it on Tuesday and am
>still digesting it. Sounds all as about as good as their first one, maybe
>better??!! The samples are not as easily recognised like on the first one,
>sounds like they really did some crate diggin' for this one. Surprised to
>find a friend of mine played some drums on it.
>
>Gotta listen to it more to give a real critique.
>
>-jonny yuma

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From: "Indy Rutks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:15:11 -0600


Christine Karkow  wrote:

> don't know of any recordings of wine glasses but there used to be a
> bartender at the Minneapolis Club in Great Falls Montana who used to play
> songs on all of the liquor bottles.  This isn't any help, but just a
memory
> that I had to share.

Posts like this one are why I *love* this list! Thanks for sharing,
Christine!!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 10 Mar 2001 16:30:13 -0500



>One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman.
>Did he do anything else? And is this song on any comps or anything?
>I'm having trouble finding a copy of it.

It appears on Volume 4 of the mighty fine "Teen Beat" series of comp CDs on
Ace Records. CDs jam-packed with 30 instrumentals on each. They're up to
Volume 5 now, I think, though I don't have that one yet.

no relation, unfortunately,

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife
Date: 10 Mar 2001 17:13:34 EST


The movie itself is sort of startlingly misogynist.  Verna Lisi is gorgeous.
The plot revolves around Jack Lemmon being a cartoonist.  He gets drunk and
winds up married to an Italian woman.  His comic strip becomes an outlet for
his frustration and unhappiness with the marriage as his kid adventurer
protagonist becomes dark and murderous.  His wife disappears at the same time
his comic character is murdering someone.  He's put on trial, and somehow
manages to get off the hook though he more or less argues he was justified in
killing her (even though he didn't).  She then turns up and they reconcile,
but in the back of his mind he knows that he can't be tried twice for the
same crime (double jeopardy).   Of course, it's been a while since I saw it.
Can't remember the soundtrack, but Hefti did have a knack for the groovy
sounds.


<< On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks...

 Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST?

 And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...?

 I've yet to see the film...what's it like?

 Thanks in advance

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife
Date: 10 Mar 2001 18:22:30 -0500


At 08:04 AM 3/10/01 -0000, Paul Hodge wrote:
>
>On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks...
>
>Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST?
>
>And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...?

I don't think it's that groovy.  And I love Hefti.



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 10 Mar 2001 18:22:31 -0500


At 11:08 PM 3/9/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote:
>
>Hi guys,
>One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman.
>Did he do anything else? And is this song on any comps or anything?
>I'm having trouble finding a copy of it.

I don't know what you mean by anything else.
My former neighbour Moe KOFFman has made records for forty years and
continues to do so.
He never again got as lucky as he did with Swingin Shepherd but then again,
how many people have turned jazz riffs into hit singles?
(A few.  Can you name them?)
He had some success in the seventies with a jazz version of Vivaldi's Four
Seasons and subsequently did other jazz/classical crossovers.
I have that Tuned-In thing that br.cleve mentioned and it's cool.  I'd be
surprised if there weren't other things like that lurking around but I
haven't found any.
My younger brother played music with Moe's sons when we were kids and I
always sort of got off on the fact that he was a musician but also a family
man with kids and a house and all that.
I know that sounds naive but hey I was a teenager and I thought musicians
were too cool to have families.  Or something like that.

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Subject: (exotica) the king of the minimum ebay bids
Date: 10 Mar 2001 18:47:47 -0500


http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=collectlps&
include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25

Check out this guy's auctions if you want to see the principle of high
minimum bids in action.

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Subject: (exotica) my day for ebay references
Date: 10 Mar 2001 19:08:22 -0500


I watched Barbarella on TV last night and I thought maybe I would be
willing to pay a little money for a copy of the record.  So I come across
this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414875296

The description of the condition is what killed me.  The guy wants
minimally 45 bucks for the record but says the marks on the record don't
affect the play "appreciably".  Then he says "Great file copy".
Har de har har.
Sure.  It plays okay.  If you have two copies, this could be the copy you
don't play. Just file it away. It'll cost you 56 dollars with shipping.

AZ



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From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 10 Mar 2001 16:15:45 -0800


Moe Kaufman.
> Did he do anything else?<

Not only is ebay a great place to quickly find something specific, it is
also an excellent reference for answering questions just like this.

You'll come up with much more unusual findings than sources like the
All-Music Guide which are CD heavy...

So here is some Moe Koffman stuff, after checking out the active items,
check out the "completed items".  See something you want that closed with no
bids?  chances are good the seller will be happy to let you have it for the
minimum.

http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&quer
y=moe+koffman&categoryid=&ht=1&st=0&category2=1071&srchdesc=y&maxRecordsPerP
age=100&SortProperty=MetaEndSort

How is that "Curried Soul" LP anyway?





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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:16:21 -0500


>Moe Kaufman.
> > Did he do anything else?<


SwinginÆ Shepard Blues! IÆve got on loan flutist ôHerbie Mann The Beat Goes
Onö and there is a nice version of this song on there.  The LP is described
as ôAfro-Cuban rock, Bossa Rock or Jazz on the rocks, for finger-snappers
and the frugg ænÆ watusi crowdö. Herbie Hancock is all over this LP. This
was my favorite record a few days ago.

A few weeks ago I asked about Moe KoffmanÆs ôMuseum Pieces.ö The only reason
I picked up an 8 TRACK copy of this was because someone on the list turned
me on <groan> to Moe.  Once again if anybodyÆs got a functional 8 track and
wants it let me know.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) my day for ebay references
Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:45:21 -0500


This one's been "reissued" - it shows up from time to time at Dusty Groove -
it'll cost around $15 bucks with shipping, I think...  And it's on red
vinyl...

cheryl


> I watched Barbarella on TV last night and I thought maybe I would be
> willing to pay a little money for a copy of the record.  So I come across
> this auction:
>
> Sure.  It plays okay.  If you have two copies, this could be the copy you
> don't play. Just file it away. It'll cost you 56 dollars with shipping.




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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, March 11
Date: 11 Mar 2001 02:45:19 -0500


Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.

Space Bop #133   J-Pop

In honour of International Women's Day, it's time for the annual week of
Feminist Frequencies at CKUT.  This year, we're playing lots of J-pop,
female vocal stuff.  Big thanks go our to William for the Souvenir 99 comp,
and to Luis for the Montecarlo and Kyoto comps.

Bridge:  Watermelon Bikini  "Souvenir 99"
Mayumi Kojima:  I've Got A.  "Souvenir 99"
Nice Fellow:  Twinkle Twinkle Twinkle  "Kyoto Copenhagen Capri"
5th Garden:  Put A Little Love In Your Heart  "Souvenir 99"

Yukari Fresh:  Yukarimpic 1/2/3  "Escalator Records, Tokyo"
800 Cherries:  Dizzy Dizzy Dizzy  "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez"
Takako Minekawa:  Milk Rock  "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez"
California Roma:  Papillon  "Kyoto Copenhagen Capri"

Takako Minekawa:  Fantastic Voyage  "Fun9"
Luminous Orange:  Fresh Berry Soup  "Kyoto Copenhagen Capri"
Yukari Fresh And Schoniff Singers:  If You Love Something  "Montecarlo Luton
Cadaquez"

Pizzicato 5:  World Is Spinning At 45 rpm  "Happy End Of The World"
Bridge:  Soft Cream Whistle  "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez"
Pizzicato 5:  Tout Tour Pour Ma Cherie  "Hommage A Polnareff"


Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening.  We'll be back with more
testosterone next week...


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From: "James" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sv: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:01:49 +0100


There was some Danish guy touring the "Floorshow" circuit in the 50┤s and
made appearences in hotels around Europe.
I found his name in the archives of the Danish museum of musical history
about 10 years ago while I was trying to
find a theremin or a glass organ to borrow for my band. At that time I was
into "ethermusic" and was fascinated by
the glassorgan invented by Benjamin Franklin. The glass organ was a bunch
of glass plates in different sizes hung on a roll
much like records in old jukeboxes. You use Your feet to make them spin and
after dipping Your finger in water You play the
thing. It was meant primarily for playing sacred music (hymns and psalms)
but was soon banned for being demonic as many
a player went insane after having played the thing for years. It was
believed that the heavenly sounds of the organ was the
work of the devil. In reality the high amount of quicksilver in glass at
that time was the reason to the players going insane.
Mozart has composed for the glassorgan and so have other prominent
composers of that time.
I┤m afraid I can┤t remember the name of the Danish glass player but I┤m
sure that a search on glass organs will send You in
the right directionn.


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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) off-topic MAC query for [e-mail]
Date: 11 Mar 2001 10:06:37 -0500


> I'm trying to help our friends with the Netscape problem, and I suspect
> Zapping the PRAM and rebuilding the desktop will help, but I forget how to
> do these things as i have not had a mac for a few years now.
I'm neither Mac user nor fan of Microsoft, but I can say the best thing I
ever did to stop my computer from crashing on a regular basis was dump
Netscpe and use Internet Explorer. I went one step further and dumped
Wordperfect and Lotus for the Microsoft suite. The problem is each of these
products competes with the already established Windows sytem for resources.
The end result of this change is no more crashing but a large learning
curve.  I don't think a Mac behaves any differently in this respect but I
leave that to the Mac users to confirm.

Brian




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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:10:30 -0500


Steve wrote:

> Turntables are still being made for as low as a couple hundred
> bucks new, and you can get good deals on used ones at ebay.
Other than some DJ brands or very high end there is little being produced. I
don't argue you
can get good deals on them and even outside of Ebay.

> >records are for the most part no longer produced.
> That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music
> is no longer produced for the most part either.
I agree with Moritz as for me this is simply untrue. More later.

> I don't see records in retail stores, except for expensive specialty
> shops. But they are at just about every garage sale, library book
> sale and swap meet I go to. You just need to plug in to the right
> places to look.
I think you misunderstand me.  I look for vinyl solely in used record stores
and there is no shortage of the stuff, just a shortage of quality stuff. As
for garage sales you have to get to them before the dealers and as anyone
who has held a garage sale knows, they tend to arrive before you open or the
day before. Swap meets are not common in Canada and that's a shame if you
ask me. One of the more enjoyable things about the US! Still I think you get
my point.

> I can still find piles of 78s, and they haven't been made since the
> early 60s, so I wouldn't throw out that turntable yet.
Even the stores I go to that are literally huge rooms full of vinyl don't
stock 78's. Oh sure you can find them in places, but odds are there is even
less quality stuff now than ever as even more years of picking over have
depleted what are essentially finite supplies.

However, I did a bit of research yesterday as I promised a fellow list
member I'd loook for a certain Disney record.  I hit the best places in town
for vinyl and sifted through 5 - 6 thousand LPs.  Instead of finding a
number of OK things (only 1 copy of Binbo Jet, Moritz) I found nothing
whatsoever of interest.  Sure, a lot of Lucien Hetu and even a few Rene
Simard (The Donny Osmond of Quebec) but really nothing much else. In fact
one the granddaddy of them all, Marche des disques. was closing out and I
found nothing at all.

No I'm quite certain that the used store carrying vinyl is about to
disappeaer.  I asked Richard, the owner of the best store in town, and he
conformed that the past few years have been a struggle for him, both to find
anything interesting to sell, and to be able to move his stock. But the good
news is while I was in his store, the only one I actually go to regularly, I
found something to buy and had never come across any of the three either:

Frank David Selection - Blues & Electronics (BASF, 1972)  It's essentially a
Blues/Jazz record with Moog sounds!  Moog by Okko (I assume that's Okko
Bekker!).  This is the same label that released some of the rarest and most
highly prized recordings from the mostly German Progeressive rock scene.
(CDN $12)

Sid Bass - Moog Espana  (RCA, 1969) -  Well its exactly what it says...
Spanish music done with the Moog. The Moog tracks were supposedly programmed
by Bob Moog himself according to the notes. This is an American production
and its odd I've never come across this record before. (CDN $12)

Lester Lanin - ...Play The Madison Avenue Beat (Epic, no date) - The record
is Lester and orchestra playing music from 58 radio and TV commercials. I
don't recognize many of the product associations, as they probably pre-date
my TV (and obviously radio!) days but this is one solid record reminiscent
of Music for TV Dinners! (CDN $8)

I have really for the most part stopped looking for vinyl, other than in
places I normally shop, ie places where the store owners know what their
buying.  Here I know I'll be paying  more than thrift store prices but not
pay Ebay prices. To answer Steve I surely won't throw out my turntable, at
least not while I have 2000 plus vinyl records. Its just that I don't think
I'll be adding to the collection anymore in any significant way.  I did well
these past years and Alan and Mortitz can both attest to the offerings that
we have here. I think a page is about to turn though as many of the last
holdout used stores finally go out of the vuinyl business. In high rent
cities like Boston or New York I can see the pressure being even greater.
Its coming... there's no denying it... simple economics.

But unlike Steve I don't worry as there IS so much good new stuff out there!
I think I've mentioned this before, how this is one of the nost creative
periods I've lived through, certainly the strongest since the the heady days
of the 1975-79 New Wave!

Brian



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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:11:16 -0500


Magnus wrote:

> Now when I had my psychosis I experienced a nazi takeover... I have
> even dreamt of meeting Hitler, I walked up to him and asked him: "Mr
> Hitler, wouldn't it be nicer if we all loved each other instead of
> hating?" My mind just couldnt give an answer to that so I awoke.
Sounds like waking up was the best thing because you may not have liked the
answer! I know its a serious subject to joke about but we talk about what
makes one laugh.  I howled over this one as I tried to envision Hitler
having a conversation in Swedish.... then I immediately thought of Eliart
Pilarm as the Swedish Elvis and my first thought was what about an equally
unlikely thing as a Swedish Hitler...  OK we don't all laugh at the same
things but Alan did want to know what makes people laugh. I'll shut up now.

Brian




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From: robert blahut <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) tipsy remix cd
Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:23:20 -0600


Say!
who is the person on the list that made me a Tipsy remix cd.  i never
got to thank them because it arrived at a point in time while i was
going through a rough bout of depression.  i would like to thank the
person, and add that i am doing much, much better thanks to
medication and therapy.  i would also add that i really do enjoy the
disk very much and that i am looking forward to new tipsy.  i would
also add that i would really like suggestions of bands (or
individuals) that do something similar to tipsy.  a sort of
triphop/lounge remix thing (trilounghop???)
thanks again to the person that made the disk and thanks to everyone
on the exotica list, without your posts i really may have slipped
away from this mortal coil.  this list kept me grounded through a
very difficult period and i am grateful.
robert


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:08:31 +0100 (CET)



citerar Brian <[e-mail]>:

I know its a serious subject to joke about but we talk about what
> makes one laugh.  I howled over this one as I tried to envision Hitler
> having a conversation in Swedish.... then I immediately thought of
Eliart
> Pilarm as the Swedish Elvis and my first thought was what about an
equally
> unlikely thing as a Swedish Hitler


I actually can laugh at all the trouble I had, but it sure felt like a
reality back then. The atmosphere around me was against me. Doh!

Picture from the Eilert concert can be viewed on my webpage where I
have my review, or report or what you want to call it!:

http://www.bellybongo.com/reviews/images/eilert_live.html
Take a look at it! Amazing shot! Eilert the rockstar!

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From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the king of the minimum ebay bids
Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:16:21 -0000




of course, the sad thing is that a few of those records look damn fine (i.e.
"The Cool Scene"), but they're beyond my pockets too. There's barely anyone
buying his records -- of course -- and he'd probably make more in the long
run if he lowered his opening bids by half. i think that sometimes bidders
just plain don't want to be beaten by another bidder and then bidding wars
ensue and sellers profit. bidders sometimes get caught up in the desire to
"win" at the competition that is the eBay auction, but this really only
works if bids can accrue from low to high.

or not...

jb


>From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>

>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=collectlps&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25
>
>Check out this guy's auctions if you want to see the principle of high
>minimum bids in action.
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From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife
Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:28:30 -0000


Br Cleve to the rescue again!

What a great list...really, really helpful. Although as you point out
they're going to
cost me a pretty penny!

I actually have the mad, mad world of soundtracks LP. It's excellent.

I've heard that Volume 2 is going to be out soon.

Is this correct?






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>on 3/11/01 5:30 AM, Paul Hodge at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
>> Can you recommend any more 'now sound' OSTs?
>
>the greatest NS track of them all is Bedazzled, but it's extrodinarily hard
>to find and almost always priced in the $150-400 range these days.
>
>off the top of my head, these have at least one NS or funky track -
>
>Prudence & The Pill
>The Adventurers
>Modesty Blaze
>Guess Who's Coming To Dinner
>The Moment of Truth
>Marry Me, Marry Me
>Seven Golden Men
>Le Mans
>I'll Never Forget Whatsisname
>Otley
>Up The Down Staircase
>Barbarella
>You Only Love Once
>The Happening
>In Like Flint
>Our Man Flint
>His Wife's Habit
>On Any Sunday
>Three Days of the Condor
>The Harrad Experiment
>Hannibal Brooks
>Follow Me
>Goodbye Columbus
>Sweden Heaven & Hell
>Brewster McCloud
>Smashing Time
>The Party
>The Italian Job
>An Elephant Called Slowly
>La Planete Sauvage
>Baby The Rain Must Fall
>They Came To Rob Las Vegas
>Murderer's Row
>
>there's more, but that's all I can think of now. Look for the 3 volumes of
>"Groovy Soundtracks" bootlegs, get "The Mad Mad World of Soundtracks" disc
>and book,and then fill your wallet up with lots of cash and start hunting
>these baby's down
>
>br cleve
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From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) robbing las vegas
Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:38:26 -0000


hello,

you mentioned this in your list to Paul:

> >They Came To Rob Las Vegas

do you have a copy of this one? would you be willing to CDR it for a trade?
I've been searching a long time for it.

have I asked you this before?? jeez, I hope not. i've been asking everyone
for it. I feel like some soundtrack-junkied Ancient Mariner bothering
wedding guests with his tale of woe...
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From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tomorrow's "Back-Ward" Playlist, March 11
Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:55:52 -0000



The Back-Ward can be heard Monday afternoons from 2:00 pm to 3:00 pm EST on
CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome.

The show is also available in RealAudio. Click on "Listen to us live via the
net" at:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~cfru-fm/


tomorrow's show:

THE MONKS - "Monk Time", from 'Black Monk Time'

NIGEL SIMPKINS - "Times Encounter"

LES MALEDICTUS SOUND - "Kriminal Theme"

PETER THOMAS SOUND ORCHESTRA - "Der Hexer"

MORT GARSON - "Leave the Driving to Us", from 'Wozard of IZ'

LORNE GREENE - "Sand", from 'Welcome to the Ponderosa'

LEE HAZELWOOD - "Pour Man", from 'Love and Other Crimes'

MORGAN - "of Dreams"

LALO SCHIFRIN - "Dissolving", from 'Whole Lalo Schifrin' Goin On'

FRIENDSOUND - "Joyride", from 'Joyride'

GAL COSTA - "Objeto Sim, Objeto Nao", from 'Gal'

JOHN SIMON - "Freakout", from 'You Are What You Eat' OST

MARSHALL McCLUHAN & QUENTIN FIORE - excerpt from 'Medium is the   Massage'
lp

MAGAZINE - "The Light Pours Out of Me", from 'Real Life'

THE SLEEPERS - "Theory", from 'Less an Object'

"The Back-Ward" is a show featuring cool soundtracks from the 60's and 70's;
exotica; lounge; now-sounds; incredibly-strange; tropicalia;
forgotten country and western; obscure garage & psychedelia; funk/70's
instro'; moog; early high-brow electronic; industrial and/or post-punk from
the late 70's/early 80's. More recent material may creep in from time to
time.

thanks for reading and/or listening
jb

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From: "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: my day for ebay references
Date: 11 Mar 2001 12:09:51 -0800


I watched Barbarella on TV last night and I thought maybe I would be
willing to pay a little money for a copy of the record.  So I come
across
this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414875296

The description of the condition is what killed me.  The guy wants
minimally 45 bucks for the record but says the marks on the record don't
affect the play "appreciably".  Then he says "Great file copy".
Har de har har.
Sure.  It plays okay.  If you have two copies, this could be the copy you
don't play. Just file it away. It'll cost you 56 dollars with shipping.

AZ
-
And the irony about this is that someone who hasn't done their research will pay a lot of money for a poor copy of this instead of a few bucks for the reissue that's been floating around for a few years. But then again, I guess that's just kind of funny, someone profiting off of someone's ignorance... Am I bad? Okay. But what exactly is the purpose of a "file copy" of a record? Something you spend a lot of money on to just look at and wonder about? I don't get it. I get spending a dollar on a record in a thrift that you wonder about that isn't in great shape to see if it's something you want to look for in good shape, but I don't get spending $45 or more on something you can't even really play.

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From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Milano, Italy
Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:02:09 +0000


> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: (exotica) What is happening in Milano, Italy ?
>
> A friend of mine (Julia, a very nice person) will stay the next time in
> Milano for a practical course.
> Can someone recommend her interesting things like night live/clubs (she
> likes brasil, organ grovves etc.) and modern art. ?
> Isn't the home from SCHEMA Records Milano ? so where do they play there
> fantastic records ?

Well, I'm not really updated on what's goin' on up there, even though
Bologna is just 2 hours away, but I would suggest to check the
"Tunnel" club. Jap DJ Gak Sato used to play sets there. Milan is
hometown of the Easy Tempo label (not of Schema, which is from Bari)
and I am sure the label runs monthly nights in clubs. Pretty big city
with much night action, so I believe your friend will easily find her
cup of tea.
Ciao
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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 11 Mar 2001 07:51:58 -0600


WOW,
as always, Alan, you are full of the best information.  I knew I
mispelled his name when I wrote it, but forgot to correct it.  I'm
not even a teenager and I think you're cool cuz you lived next door
to him (actually, you're cool cuz you're YOU).  Hopefully, I can find
more of his stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Starstruck in Texas,
Colleen



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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues
Date: 11 Mar 2001 07:56:40 -0600




Once again if anybody=92s got a functional 8 track and
wants it let me know.

              *************************

Is there a functioning 8 track left in the world?


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Subject: (exotica) Barbarella on Design and a couple more groovy soundtracks
Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:32:13 -0800


I've never seen this one - I'll bet it's pretty good too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415695987

too bad "lp-cover-lover" is bidding on it, he usually is willing to pay
whatever it takes to get what he wants.

More groovy soundtrack suggestions:

Try "Treasure of San Gennaro" by Armando Trovajoli - check the spelling on
that, different than what's on Seven Golden Men

http://www.basichip.com/covers/treasure.jpg  thats Senta Berger on the cover

Or I Love You Alice B Toklas - no individual tracks on that record, but they
do stop and start..

Vic Mizzy's "Don't Make Waves" (Make Love) has some swinging Malibu go go
sounds on it..

I recall a couple of really cool tracks on "No Way to Treat A Lady" by
Stanley Myers...his "Kaleidoscope" is great too..

How about Giggling Girls from the "What A Way to Go!" Nelson Riddle score?

I love soundtracks, even though sometimes you only get a small handful of
decent tracks, maybe less.

Great suggestions everyone, I've updated my wish list.  :)





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From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) [obits] John Elliot Sutherland, Frankie Carle, Ted McMichael
Date: 11 Mar 2001 22:45:54 -0500


LOS ANGELES (AP) - John Elliot Sutherland, an acclaimed industrial and
educational filmmaker whose subjects ranged from cancer to steel-making, died
Feb. 17. He was 90.

Sutherland began making training films for the military during World War II. He
went on to produce about 20 movies each year, including ``A Is for Atom'' for
General Electric and ``The Spray's the Thing'' for DuPont.

In 1957, Time magazine called him one of the top creators of industrial shorts.

One of Sutherland's best-known works was his award-winning ``Rhapsody of
Steel'' for U.S. Steel, a 1959 Technicolor epic with music by Dmitri Tiomkin
and the Pittsburgh Symphony.


NEW YORK (AP) - Frankie Carle, a big-band leader best known for ``Sunrise
Serenade,'' died Wednesday. He was 97.

Carle, who died in Mesa, Ariz., reached the high point of his popularity during
World War II, when he was the focus of a bidding war among bands.

His repertory was wide, ranging from classics like a revival of Stephen
Foster's ``Swanee River,'' to a World War II release that anticipated the
Allied victory called ``I'm Going to See My Baby.''

Although Carle's music did not rank high on record industry charts after the
1940s, he still toured and played concerts into the 1980s, some 70 years after
he began his musical career.


        CAMARILLO, Calif. (AP) -- Ted McMichael, a founder of the popular 1940s
quartet the Merry Macs, has died of pneumonia. He was 92.
        McMichael died at St. John's Pleasant Valley Hospital on Feb. 27, said
his niece, Nelda McMichael Gruenthal.
        The Merry Macs had several Top 10 hits including ``Mairzy Doats,''
``Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition'' and ``Sentimental Journey.''




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Subject: Re: (exotica) my day for ebay references
Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:37:46 EST


In a message dated 3/10/01 9:48:24 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< This one's been "reissued" - it shows up from time to time at Dusty Groove
-
 it'll cost around $15 bucks with shipping, I think...  And it's on red
 vinyl...

 cheryl >>


If this is from the same source that the CD version is from it was bootlegged
from a copy of the record with a lot of surface noise.

Ashley


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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 11:28:01 +0100




Brian schrieb:

> > >records are for the most part no longer produced.
> > That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music
> > is no longer produced for the most part either.
> I agree with Moritz as for me this is simply untrue. More later.

Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to this. ZERO reaction on almost anything interesting. I really feel like Jack Diamond now, like giving giving giving and never getting anything back. All I can say on this subject is, that there are loads of interesting new productions out there and the fact that someone just doesn't care and doesn't listen to the stuff, doesn't allow him to state, that there isn't anything at all or that music was better then. Close your ears, zip your Zombie and live in a dream world in the past.

> I hit the best places in town
> for vinyl and sifted through 5 - 6 thousand LPs.  Instead of finding a
> number of OK things (only 1 copy of Bimbo Jet, Moritz) I found nothing
> whatsoever of interest.

I hope you bought the Bimbo Jet! just before I left Montreal last year I found this one record shop (the one upstairs that also sold sex magazines) stuffed with tons of records and only because I already knew I wouldn't be able to carry home one single more record I didn't go into details there. They had incredible stuff though. Have you ever checked that shop out? Did it close down?


Mo
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From: Sem Sinatra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address
Date: 12 Mar 2001 01:06:07 +0900


did the person who was searching for this find it?

If not I can probably at least pass on their mail address to him.

Has he left the list?

Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka


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From: Sem Sinatra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Off topic Mac problems
Date: 12 Mar 2001 01:18:49 +0900


Zapping the PRAM: To reset PRAM:
1. Restart your computer and immediately hold down these keys:
Option + Apple + R + P (Make sure the Caps Lock key is not engaged.)
2. Hold the keys down until you hear the startup sound a second time,
then release the keys.
3. If you had special settings in any control panels, open those
control panels to restore the settings you want.

rebuilding the desktop: start up computer holding Option + Apple down together

Good luck!

friendly,

Sem Sinatra Agent Osaka


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From: "christie j. white" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Elvis impersonator
Date: 12 Mar 2001 09:55:54 -0500


Just thought I would share this with you Magnus.  Your review of the Eilert
Pilarm concert was great!!  I wish I was there smoking a cigarette and
snaking through the crowd with all the laughs and woo's.

This guy is truly amazing!  He has so much talent.  He is a true performer.
He really doesn't have a cheezy side to the show at all.  Just one song into
the set and you see that this guy has talent of his own, the Elvis thing is
purely a plus!!  Lou Vuto is the new KING!!
www.memoriestheatre.com

Everyone enjoy!

Kiliki



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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Elvis impersonator
Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:27:06 +0100 (CET)



citerar "christie j. white" <[e-mail]>:

>
> Just thought I would share this with you Magnus.  Your review of the
Eilert
> Pilarm concert was great!!  I wish I was there smoking a cigarette and
> snaking through the crowd with all the laughs and woo's.
>
> This guy is truly amazing!  He has so much talent.  He is a true
performer.
> He really doesn't have a cheezy side to the show at all.  Just one
song
> into
> the set and you see that this guy has talent of his own, the Elvis
thing is
> purely a plus!!  Lou Vuto is the new KING!!
> www.memoriestheatre.com
>
> Everyone enjoy!
>
> Kiliki



I have added your link to my Eilert Pilarm page, thanks, I wish I could
hear Lou Vuto.

Thanks also for liking my review, it is so fun getting feedback when
you sit writing on a thing for an hour. Actually, for me it is not that
easy getting the english right.

Magnus


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From: "Nicola Battista (Dj Batman)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Emusic free albums
Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:48:04 +0100


thought this might be of interest... Emusic http://www.emusic.com/ is giving one free album downloadable, apprently you only need to give them an email and a password...

bye,
Nicola DjB



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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: and a couple more groovy soundtracks
Date: 12 Mar 2001 08:12:19 -0800 (PST)


I really have enjoyed the Alice B Toklas soundtrack!  Its great all
the way to the end!

Kaleidoscope also has some wonderful cuts on it.  I highly
recommend getting them both.  They have been put out as a twofer on
that German Label,  Two Little Kooks and its available from
http://www.jackdiamond.com

Easy Listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


--- basic hip <[e-mail]> wrote:More groovy soundtrack
suggestions:
>
> Or I Love You Alice B Toklas - no individual tracks on that
> record, but they
> do stop and start..
>
> Vic Mizzy's "Don't Make Waves" (Make Love) has some swinging
> Malibu go go
> sounds on it..
>
> I recall a couple of really cool tracks on "No Way to Treat A
> Lady" by
> Stanley Myers...his "Kaleidoscope" is great too..



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From: Bonita Kelso <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella on Design
Date: 12 Mar 2001 08:51:44 -0800 (PST)



--- basic hip <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I've never seen this one - I'll bet it's pretty good
> too:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415695987

I have this one--strangely enough, I got it at the
same annual used book/record/magazine sale where I got
the original Barbarella ST two years earlier. How
weird is that?

It's (dare I say it?) loungey, heavy on the organ
instrumental covers of a few tracks from Barbarella
(the title theme, and "An Angel is Love" naturally, as
well as tracks like "The Black Queen's Beads"). The
rest of the album is the same jazzed up versions of
classical standards recycled on those Design label spy
albums like "Thunderball" and "Mission: Impossible"
(which has a great cover of the "Star Trek" theme).

It's a great little oddity, but not worth 8 bucks,
IMO. Then again I don't think I'd pay more than two
bucks for any album on the Design label.

One of my favorite 60s soundtracks is "Don't Make
Waves" by Vic Mizzy. It was reissued in the 80s, so
it's not that hard to find. Like most of Mr. Mizzy's
work, it's chock full of fuzztone guitars and farfisa
(or is it farafisa?) organs. I could play "Daybreak at
Malibu" a thousand times and never get tired of it.

mucho gusto, Bonitarella

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Vaclav Nelhybel
Date: 12 Mar 2001 19:04:30 +0100 (CET)



Vaclav Nelhybel- "Outer Space Music".
Folkways FTS 33440

1959

Does someone know anything about this record?

Magnus


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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 14:43:01 -0500


At 11:28 AM 3/12/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
.>
>Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to
this. ZERO reaction on almost anything interesting. I really feel like Jack
Diamond now, like giving giving giving and never getting anything back..

Moritz, you ROCK!  You are the the REAL SHIT!  You are the number one, TEN
OUT OF TEN STARS, A-1 contributor!
(That was my Jack Diamond imitation in case you didn't notice.)

There's something strange about complaining about apathy on a generally
apathetic list.  It is what it is.  The old days are gone and they ain't
coming back.
If you want to express yourself, go ahead.  If you need your
self-expression to generate discussion, you probably shouldn't bother.
It's funny how a mailing list can make you feel like Jesus.
But maybe that's just my complex.
I've got the Christ complex, you've got the Diamond complex.

The exotica list is not the list you remember or the list you joined.  And
it never will be again.

The balance is delicate.

AZ





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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The New Tipsy
Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:00:43 -0800 (PST)


"Uh-0h" by Tipsy, (Asphodel 2001)
This is the best release of 2001!
Tipsy have pulled out all the sample punches on this.  I am stumped
so far but recognize a few samples.  Every song on it is chock full
of fade-in/fade-out samples dazzling the eardrums to ecstasy.
Trippy floaty music with nearly apparent melodies that you can't
quite hum.   The first song "Hard Petting" is the "big hit" with a
"bullet" if all was perfect in the music biz.  But every song on
this album is a wonderful musical ride.

Fans of the first album will be relieved to find out Tipsy have
kept their sound.  In fact, Tipsy has pulled of one of the nicer
occurrences in music, their second album is better than their
first.  In thirty years they will be playing this at Tommorowland
in Disney World.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck



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From: "B.R. Rolya" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses
Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:01:54 -0500



Peter writes:

>looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses.
>Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions?

An interesting recent release is Angus Maclaurin's "Glass Music" on
Bubblecore (www.bubblecore.com).  He records to tapes and then loops them
together for a very hypnotic sound.  I saw him live at the Knitting Factory
a few months ago and it was quite mesmerizing.


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From: George Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) RE: Barbarella, Kaleidoscope
Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:18:13 -0500


    I picked this up the Barbarella er... "reissue," awhile back &
returned it (mentioned here); not so much a prob with the surface noise
(clicks & pops are not so bad imho), but the whole recording had a brittle
quality that made it hard to enjoy - possibly due to some crappy noise
reduction process. I ended up finding a pricey-but-relatively-cheap (as far
as I've seen) copy last year with a little wear on the cover but the vinyl
was fine.
Found the Kaleidoscope LP last year on vaca in Asheville NC. Wasn't
familiar, but it had a swingin' 60's look & a sitar credit, which was all I
needed; I remember taking it home & hoping "please do not let the sitar /
table sections be traditional Indian music, but rather let them be the work
of Indian musicians trying to make sense of western I-IV-V type progressions
over groovy period go-go beats," & verily I was not disappointed.
  gh

        Date:    Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:37:46 EST
        From:    [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>

        Subject:    Re: (exotica) my day for ebay references

        If this is from the same source that the CD version is from
it was bootlegged
        from a copy of the record with a lot of surface noise.

        Ashley

        Date:    Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:12:19 -0800 (PST)
        From:    Chuck <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>
        Subject:    (exotica) Re: and a couple more groovy
soundtracks

        I really have enjoyed the Alice B Toklas soundtrack!  Its
great all
        the way to the end!

        Kaleidoscope also has some wonderful cuts on it.  I highly
        recommend getting them both.  They have been put out as a
twofer on
        that German Label,  Two Little Kooks and its available from
        http://www.jackdiamond.com <http://www.jackdiamond.com>

        Easy Listening in the Big Easy
        Chuck





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From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
Date: 12 Mar 2001 14:49:34 -0600


There's a little bit of everything in this week's Retro Cocktail Hour
webcast.  You'll find Latin-flavored Now Sounds by Nelson Riddle,
Edmundo Ros and Claus Ogerman, among others; jungle jazz from
John McFarland's rare "Provocatif" and Augie Colon's "Chant of the
Jungle"; great crime jazz from German movie thrillers; outer space
pop from Paul Tanner, Jimmie Haskell and Louis Prima(!); plus
Montefiori Cocktail's spaghetti western-ish spin on the "Star Wars"
theme; Ralph Alfonso's ode to Chet Baker's cigarette; tunes by Les
Baxter, Cal Tjader, Alvino Rey and Dick Schory; plus Leda Annest
WAILS on the classic "Portrait of Leda".

To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just visit:

http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html

Requires RealPlayer and a minimum 28.8 Internet connection.

As always, comments and requests are welcome.  Thanks!


Darrell Brogdon
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KANU FM 91.5
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From: clayton black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 03:57:35 -0500


As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem,"
but it seems to me that a shift has taken place that has left the list
fractured along several lines.  I have the sense that there is a cadre of
contributors who have been at this for a long time who are tired of the
"favorite covers, albums, groups, etc." and "what I just found" discussions
and who are more interested in digging out obscure groups and sounds
wherever they lurk.  Among them are those for whom the music is at the
center of their lives--more than just a hobby, it's a profession (or at
least part of one)--and the kings of space-age pop no longer hold the
(forgive me) exotic thrill that they once did.  Then there are the people
like me, who "dabble," and who want to contribute, but who feel a bit out of
their league.  A lot of lurkers have come out of the woodwork momentarily
lately, only to return to their hideaways, perhaps for the same reason that
I always lurked.  I don't know that there's a solution, but I hope that
novices are always welcome.  I don't have the resources to go after Korean
pop or Japanese soundtracks, but I do enjoy hearing about them.  I don't
ever go to nightclubs or even Tiki/Polynesian restaurants, but your
discussions allow me a bit of vicarious fun.  The recent e-bay discussion
generated a flurry of activity, perhaps because that's common ground for
just about everybody here (albeit with a variety of opinions).
    I don't quite know what my point is, only to say that I hope that the
"old-timers" can put up with the new folks and that, if there is to be any
changing of the guard, that the list continues to be a friendly and
entertaining group.  And is it really apathy that causes lulls in the list
or is it something else?  For me it's either a question of time--how much
can I put into a lengthy note like this--or of fear--do I really want to go
out on a limb on an issue, knowing that I am out of my league in knowledge
of exotica?
I quit for now.

Clayton

> From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:43:01 -0500
> To: Exotica mailing list <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
>
> There's something strange about complaining about apathy on a generally
> apathetic list.  It is what it is.  The old days are gone and they ain't
> coming back.
> If you want to express yourself, go ahead.  If you need your
> self-expression to generate discussion, you probably shouldn't bother.
> It's funny how a mailing list can make you feel like Jesus.
> But maybe that's just my complex.
> I've got the Christ complex, you've got the Diamond complex.
>
> The exotica list is not the list you remember or the list you joined.  And
> it never will be again.
>
> The balance is delicate.



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address
Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:11:13 -0500 (EST)


I am here!  Actually, I keep trying to post, but I think I was using the wrong email address, so hopefully this will work.

I have been frantically buying stuff recently, more so than ever.  Here's a summary:

- Today the Lalo Schifrin 'marquis de sade' LP arrived...
- Last week - 'Follow Me' soundtrack - really amazing stuff, a beautiful mix of now sound, softpop and ambient strings...
- Last week - the Hildegard Knef box set - really enjoyable, although her output is so varied in style that I am planning to distil this down into a personal 'best of', which will include her fantastic slightly psychedelic bacharach-style stuff from the late 60s.
- Last week - the vhs video of the movie 'smashing time', incredibly silly/slapstick, but very stylish movie starring Rita Tushingham
- In general - I'm getting more and more into Brazilian stuff - it turns out that Marcos Valle is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue suggests, and that Jorge Ben was/is an incredible songwriter - with stuff like 'saiupa' and 'zazueira' as well as the better known 'chove chuva' and 'mas que nada'.  Elis Regina's late 60s/early 70s records/the Blue brazil vols 2 and 3 compilations...
- making lots of CD compilations, which I would love to trade with people if they are interested.  Most recently I made a comp of vocal groups from around the world.
- My favorite era of music seems to have shifted... When I joined this list in '96 I think the main period I was exploring was 1956-64, while now it has shifted to more like 1966-74...

If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs, each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking.  I will post when it is live (hopefully in the next couple of weeks).

Sorry for such a long post; it has been a long time..

cheers,

 jonny

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Subject: Re:  (exotica) The New Tipsy
Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:33:10 EST



In a message dated 3/12/1 3:01:26 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>The first song "Hard Petting" is the "big hit" with a
>"bullet" if all was perfect in the music biz.

I've been spinning the advance of that one and one version of it samples
"Sally Go Round The Roses" by The Jaynettes, a 1964 US Girl Group
rekkid...The original record has the distinction of sounding like it was
recorded in a bathroom, but is a hauntingly great song and an evergreen at
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Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address
Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:39:19 EST



In a message dated 3/12/1 4:12:30 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>I'm getting more and more into Brazilian stuff - it turns out that Marcos
Valle
>is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue suggests

Bossa Nova is a favorite sound of mine as well. I'm reading The Bossa Nova
Story by Ruy Castro and I was also wondering if anyone has heard the new
remixes of Roberto Menescal's music? I saw it listed at Dustygroove and
thought I'd check here first to see if anyone picked it up. I have two early
LP's by Menescal on Kapp and they are wonderful...JB


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From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 22:40:31 +0100


Clayton wrote:

> As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem,"

> I always lurked.  I don't know that there's a solution, but I hope that
> novices are always welcome.

Of course you're welcome! To me the list is still a great source of
information and a good way to "meet" nice people (be it for trading, mailing
or whatever). I joined the list about 3 years ago and I tasted a bit of the
"old spirit" back then. Surely the list has changed, but is it really worse
than it was 2 or 3 years back? Aw, c'mon guys...

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 17:25:51 -0500



> As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem,"

I would think the last thing newbies are is a problem - it's always great to
have fresh opinions on things.  Yes, a lot of us have been on this list a
long time (I think it's around 6 years for me) and yes, we sometimes give
off the attitude of "been there, done that" - but don't be intimidated in
the least.  Opinions are always welcome around here - whatever they are -
and if they spark off a discussion, better yet.  And don't be afraid to ask
questions - that's the best way of learning - this list is made up of an
incredible cross-section of people, many of whom are extremely knowledgeable
about all things exotica and otherwise - I don't think I have ever posted a
question without getting many well-informed responses.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address
Date: 12 Mar 2001 18:01:51 -0500


At 04:11 PM 3/12/01 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
>

>- Last week - 'Follow Me' soundtrack - really amazing stuff, a beautiful
mix of now sound, softpop and ambient strings...

What is this?  Who did the soundtrack?  When was the movie made?  Who
directed it?

>- In general - I'm getting more and more into Brazilian stuff - it turns
out that Marcos Valle is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue
suggests,

I bought this. It wasn't great.  What have you heard that's better than
this?  What does he sound like?

And what do you mean by "Brazilian stuff".  I get the feeling that
personally I prefer the fake Brazilian stuff to the real stuff.
I don't know what the real stuff is but my favorite Brazilian records are
easy listening things like:

Ciro Pereira - From Brazil with Strings
Aldemaro Romero and his Onda Nueva (sort of like the Hi-Lo's adding a
Brazilian beat to old standards)
"Soul Beat Brazil" - the new rhythms of Menescal and his group with strings.

These three are all on major American labels.  I just get this feeling that
there's a bunch of obscure stuff on Brazilian labels and if I heard it, I'd
think "Oh if that's the real stuff, I think I like the UN-real stuff better".

>- My favorite era of music seems to have shifted... When I joined this
list in '96 I think the main period I was exploring was 1956-64, while now
it has shifted to more like 1966-74...

That was an inevitable shift for me.  I went back to the 56-64 stuff and
caught up on it and by the time I "returned" to the 66-74 period, my taste
had shifted to stuff I used to sneer at.
The trouble with shifting to this period is that the records are generally
more expensive when you find them.
>
>If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about
musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs,
each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking.

That sounds interesting.

AZ



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 18:10:57 -0500


At 03:57 AM 3/13/01 -0500, clayton black wrote:
>
>As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem,"

Newbies are not the problem unless you let the oldtimers intimidate you.
In which case, you're not part of the problem but you're also not part of
the solution.  The purpose of new members is to ignore the fact that some
of us have a "been there done that" attitude and to share - or ask for -
opinions without worrying about the oldtimer's apathy.
Your purpose is to drag us out of our caves and into the light.
If we ignore you, so what?  Try again.
Until you've been ignored as often as Moritz and I, you have no right to
give up.
Actually I think Moritz is ignored a little more often than I am. But
that's because some of us think that he and Magnus are two sides of the
same person.

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From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address
Date: 13 Mar 2001 01:02:57 +0000


> did the person who was searching for this find it?
> If not I can probably at least pass on their mail address to him.
> Has he left the list?
> Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka

Thanks, Sem. I was the one looking for Jonny. He's apparently lurking
(ciao!) as he promptly did get back to me and now we're in touch
again.
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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) List health / Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 19:07:09 -0500



>Of course you're welcome! To me the list is still a great source of
>information and a good way to "meet" nice people (be it for trading, mailing
>or whatever). I joined the list about 3 years ago and I tasted a bit of the
>"old spirit" back then. Surely the list has changed, but is it really worse
>than it was 2 or 3 years back? Aw, c'mon guys...

Exoticalist is NOT dead (it just smells funny (sorry, couldn't resist)).
I've been here since '97... people come, people go, some come back (and
forth), sometimes it's busy, sometimes it's slow. It's different, sure,
always changing, but it's also pretty much the same.

It's true that in the mid to late 90s there was a slightly different sort
of energy. The "canon" was still being discovered. "Lounge" was "in" and
the big companies were on their brief reissue kick. Which made for a more
unified "thing" to share in. Now the media eye has moved on, and we're
returned to our roots of digging around more independently for the unknown
gems. But we get to share and build on the discoveries here. With the
occasional aesthetic theory to keep us thinking. Sort of changed from a
go-go party to an explorers' club?? It's still a real good scene.

Don't be afraid to join in, newbies or lurkers. And don't feel hurt if
you're ignored. I've been ignored plenty, but that's okay. A lot of it's
just chance. Sometimes I'd like to comment on someone else's post, and I
fail to because I simply don't have the time at the time.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) war of the third man (tv)
Date: 12 Mar 2001 19:07:21 -0500


Tuesday on AMC at 2:00pm and 10:30pm (eastern): "War Of The Worlds" -- with
those superstylin' googie spaceships (and Noel Boggs creating the ray gun
sound with his steel guitar).

Wednesday night on AMC at 10:15pm and 4:15am, it's "The Third Man". Perhaps
you've heard the theme song?

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From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Is Vinyl Going Away?
Date: 12 Mar 2001 20:56:23 -0500


Not that I've noticed so far. . .

At the Kiwanis rummage sale where I've been volunteering, we have no
trouble selling all the turntables I can manage to scrape together.
We usually sell 2 every Saturday (the only day we're open).

We're really limited more by our shortage of belts and non-destroyed
cartridges. Folks even shoplift the cartridges right off the machines
we have for sale. (People! It's a charity!)

Just an observation,

  --Ross

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From: "christie j. white" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bravo Clayton re: Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 22:27:44 -0500


I too have just rejoined the list after a couple of years hiatus.  It does
seem trivial sometimes to express about things that I find so wonderful that
those on the list may have experienced a dozen times over but then again I
hope everyone enjoys reliving the thrill of that favorite album cover or
that great find.  Kinda brings back memories for me when I hear these things
come up.  I can still remember where I found some of my prized possessions.
I know everyone can relate to that feeling.

So hopefully everyone can appreciate the old and the new on the list.  I
certainly do.

Kiliki

Clayton wrote:

As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem,"
but it seems to me that a shift has taken place that has left the list
fractured along several lines.  I have the sense that there is a cadre of
contributors who have been at this for a long time who are tired of the
"favorite covers, albums, groups, etc." and "what I just found" discussions
and who are more interested in digging out obscure groups and sounds
wherever they lurk.  Among them are those for whom the music is at the
center of their lives--more than just a hobby, it's a profession (or at
least part of one)--and the kings of space-age pop no longer hold the
(forgive me) exotic thrill that they once did.  Then there are the people
like me, who "dabble," and who want to contribute, but who feel a bit out of
their league.  A lot of lurkers have come out of the woodwork momentarily
lately, only to return to their hideaways, perhaps for the same reason that
I always lurked.  I don't know that there's a solution, but I hope that
novices are always welcome.  I don't have the resources to go after Korean
pop or Japanese soundtracks, but I do enjoy hearing about them.  I don't
ever go to nightclubs or even Tiki/Polynesian restaurants, but your
discussions allow me a bit of vicarious fun.  The recent e-bay discussion
generated a flurry of activity, perhaps because that's common ground for
just about everybody here (albeit with a variety of opinions).
    I don't quite know what my point is, only to say that I hope that the
"old-timers" can put up with the new folks and that, if there is to be any
changing of the guard, that the list continues to be a friendly and
entertaining group.  And is it really apathy that causes lulls in the list
or is it something else?  For me it's either a question of time--how much
can I put into a lengthy note like this--or of fear--do I really want to go
out on a limb on an issue, knowing that I am out of my league in knowledge
of exotica?
I quit for now.

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From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:24:26 +1100


Hi all,

here's some vinyl I've picked up in the last couple of weeks - all from $1 -
$2 Australian (halve that for US$!!). Op-shops (thrift stores) still come up
trumps here once in a while. Any comments appreciated.

"Bongo Fever" - Jack Costanzo at The Garden of Allah: Great live recording
of Mr. Bongos. A couple of tracks from this appeared on UL sets I think.

"Popcorn and other switched-on smash hits" - Electric Coconut

"Chartbusting Moog" - Denny Morris

"Dynamica" - Ray Martin

"Spy Time" - David Lloyd and his London Orchestra: Big, big sound doing Bond
tunes and others. I have a library music lp by him of "fake" Bond music
which is good and this is more of the same but doing the original tunes.

"Christmas Album" - The Ventures

"Cotton Fields" - Arthur Lyman

"Cugi's Cocktails" - Xavier Cugat and his Big, New, Swinging Band: Only had
a brief listen to this. Each track named after a different cocktail. Some
nice organ/guitar stuff mixed into the usual Cugi cha-cha's and rhumbas.

"Walt Disney's Original Soundtrack Collection vol 4.": Grabbed this because
it has "Cruella DeVille" from 101 Dalmations - a song which I remember
vividly from my childhood viewing of the movie.

"Dark Side of The Goon": Solo classics from Milligan, Sellers and Secombe.
Most from 78's and pretty much what you'd expect (and enjoy!). The Secombe
ones are all "serious".

"My Son Pua" - John and Pua Almeida: I don't usually buy Hawaiian vinyl but
the cover of this was so dark (portraits of the two on black) that
originally thought it was a religious album. Haven't listened to it yet.

"My Son, The Folksinger" - Alan Sherman

"Das Gab's Auf Einmal": Strange German double lp which seems to be a history
of the 1960's through music and SFX. Mostly narration but a weird selection
of music - The Javelins, Ruth Welcome, Hugo Strasser, Mrs. Miller, Ornette
Coleman, Maria Callas, Joe Loss, paul Jones, Helmut Zachariahs, Golden gate
Quartet etc. etc. Fabulous foldout cover of a semi naked girl with "hip"
words pdrawn on her "establishment - beat - happening - sex- pille - apollo
- jet - pop - etc."

And on CD (also from op-shops)

"Mondo Cane OST" - Riz Ortolani

"Ghetto Gothic" - Melvin van Peebles

"Crank Calls" - Jonathon Winters: Winters messages left on his friends
answering machine.

Thanks for reading

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From: clayton black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:48:13 -0500



> "Dynamica" - Ray Martin

I like this album, but I wonder about his other album in the Stereo Action
series (I forget the name), the one that has "Jericho"--a great swinging
tune with wonderfully irreverent "Hallelujahs" throughout.  Are any of his
albums consistently that good?

>
> "Cugi's Cocktails" - Xavier Cugat and his Big, New, Swinging Band: Only had
> a brief listen to this. Each track named after a different cocktail. Some
> nice organ/guitar stuff mixed into the usual Cugi cha-cha's and rhumbas.

Cugi gets lots of mixed reviews, but this is one of those albums I rarely
play just out of fear that I'll play it too much.  It's great.


> "My Son, The Folksinger" - Alan Sherman
>
I think I see this almost more than any album in the bins, except for the
Herb Alpert repertoire.  Which leads me to the reason for this note.  Are
there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very
good, and certainly worth the fifty cents or dollar (assuming of course that
we are trying to keep our "adventure" buys at a minimum)?  The recent
discussion of certain Fred Waring recordings (with appropriate caveats), or
the Living Brass record that got mentioned as a top-fifty choice are what
I'm thinking of.  This may be a futile exercise in trying to get more out of
the slim pickings that we've been lamenting of late, but just in case .  .
.

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From: clayton black <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Blue Bossa
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:55:51 -0500


Has anybody heard the "Blue Bossa" CD on the Bluenote lable?  It's a
compilation, and I only remember that it had a Lou Rawls tune on it.  I
bought it for my brother for Christmas, just sort of guessing that it was
good (I'm a sucker for anything to a bossa nova beat).  I haven't talked to
him in months, and the last time I did, I forgot to ask, and I'm also a bit
afraid that I won't get a straight answer from him (fearing that he'll hurt
my feelings.  But he doesn't know too much about the genre anyway).
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Subject: RE: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 12 Mar 2001 20:34:24 -0800


> "Mondo Cane OST" - Riz Ortolani

That may be my all time favorite soundtrack.  I love the way it bounces
around from lush to somber to bouncy, all beautifully done.

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:15:25 -0800


Somebody asked me off list about the record swap meet in LA. In
case anyone else is interested, it's at Pasadena City College on
the first Sunday of the month. It's best to get there by 9am, so
it isn't too hot and you have time to shop. The parking is in a
structure in the back of PCC, and the records are in the North/East
corner of campus in the faculty parking lot. If you see a big guy
with a hairy chihuahua, stop me and say hello. (I'm the guy, not
the dog...)

Re: Turntables

>Other than some DJ brands or very high end there is little being produced.

See www.garage-a-records.com. They have a lot of choices in low cost
turtables. They can repair and get parts for old ones too.

>I look for vinyl solely in used record stores
>and there is no shortage of the stuff, just a shortage of quality stuff.

The reason for that is there is very little profit in dealing in
vinyl as a retail storefront. That doesn't mean the records don't
exist... It just means you are looking in the wrong place. Retail
storefront record stores aren't buying used records. They're just
selling off what they have left. That's why the selection is so
stale.

If you really want to find records, it isn't hard. Just imagine
yourself as a person with a lot of good records to unload, and
try to figure out the best way to get rid of them. Track it from
the other end. Call places and say you have records for sale
and see who bites. You can bet if they are buying, they have the
good stuff. Look in the classifieds for garage sales that list
records. Don't be afraid some dealer is going to scoop you if
you don't get there at 6am. Chances are the dealer you are
worried about is that guy at the record store who is phasing
LP records out of his inventory.

The good stuff is out there in quantities *higher* than ever
before, with prices *lower* than ever before. As serious collectors
shift from vinyl to CD, they get rid of their old collections. If
you are there ready to catch the windfall, you'll score.
You just have to work for it and not expect it to come to you.
They made records from the turn of the century to the early
1980s. That is a LONG time, and a LOT of records. There are
more records than people to collect them. It's a buyers market
if you shop smart.

A couple of months ago, I responded to an ad saying free 78s
to a good home. I went to pick them up, and was given a 3/4 ton
pickup truck full of pristine 78s from the 40s. Hit a deal like
this, and you will have more music than you can handle. Deals
like this really aren't rare, you just have to be in the right
place at the right time. That means getting out there and looking.

Old time record collectors know the drill. We went through
it when vinyl replaced shellac, and it's the same now when
plastic and mylar is replacing vinyl. The search is the fun of
collecting.

See ya
Steve

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:15:23 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:34:13 +0100 (CET)
>From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
>
>citerar bigshot <[e-mail]>:
>
>> That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music
>> is no longer produced for the most part either. CD is fine for
>> stuff recorded digitally.
>
>I agree with you, but it does not feel very good to do so... What has
>happened with humanity? Somehow it feels that the devil in us is just
>agressive and dark, and the other side is just following its trail.

It's really not all that bad. We are just coming out of one of the
most musically revolutionary centuries since the beginning of time.
We now can record composers performing their own works and distribute
copies at a price anyone can afford. If for nothing else, the past
century will be remembered forever for the creation of Jazz. I can't
think of an artistic development that rivals that.

If you look at musical breakthroughs on a timeline, you won't
feel so bad. It's a long stretch of time between Bach and Beethoven.
Since Beethoven, things have been speeding up until the Beatles
brought in the big bang that sent everything into a tailspin. At
least we have recordings to remind us of what we were. These
recordings will end up inspiring what we will end up being. The
next century will be a time of neo-classicism. There will be
revivals of past glories, and preservation of treasures from the
past. What's old will be new again. That is my prediction!

100 years ago, only a few scholars remembered who Bach was. The
original manuscript for the Brandenburg Concertos was sold for
a quarter originally. Now people all over the world have CDs of
the Brandenburg Concertos sitting on their shelves. Even teenage
kids know who Bach is. It's not all as bad as it seems sometimes.

See ya
Steve

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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 00:11:15 -0500


Moritz wrote:

>Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to
this.
You mean me!

> ZERO reaction on almost anything interesting. I really feel like Jack
Diamond
> now, like giving giving giving and never getting anything back. All I can
say on
> this subject is, that there are loads of interesting new productions out
there and > the fact that someone just doesn't care and doesn't listen to
the stuff, doesn't
> allow him to state, that there isn't anything at all or that music was
better then.
> Close your ears, zip your Zombie and live in a dream world in the past.
I was getting to enjoy these conversations I was having with myself.  ...say
Brian what did you think of those last vinyl finds?  Well wish I knew more
about them but I'll have to ask Brian... well.. anyway,  I'm bearing
depresssing news for record hounds... or maybe its just my new found bad-boy
image that's scaring people (its your fault Alan!)...  Either way I'm not
depressed about the vinyl situation for a number of reasons beyond the huge
variety of new material out there. And that includes:
1. The huge number of legit (or otherwise) reissues of obscure film, TV,
library, advertising or other unknown originals/comps and generally things
that I would have never hoped to find. I can't even hope to keep up to these
as they are springing up exponentially! Not all great but overall a higher
than average success rate, as you figure if someone went to the trouble to
make the reissue, and its not a major label, there must be something to
it... no?
2. The offerings on Napster of the kind of music you would never expect to
find outside the country of origin.  There are things by Japanese, Dutch,
German, Finnish or other groups listed that could never be found in any
store in my part of the world because there is simply no way for the stores
to obtain them. Its an incredible place to listen, assuming of course the
system isn't overloaded and actually allows downloads. Just this week I
discovered something called "Surfbeat Behind the Iron Curtain".  Looks like
a 2 CD or LP set of East German surf music? Where else could I spot it...
not in my local record store I can tell you!
3. People I've met through this and other lists with whom I can trade music
(and films) exactly as I described in item 2 above!

> I hope you bought the Bimbo Jet!
But I already have three of them which is more than I have of any one
record! Anyone out there interested?

> just before I left Montreal last year I found this one record shop (the
one
> upstairs that also sold sex magazines) stuffed with tons of records and
only
> because I already knew I wouldn't be able to carry home one single more
> record I didn't go into details there. They had incredible stuff though.
Have you > ever checked that shop out? Did it close down?
That store is still there. It's called M.A.R.S. and its about as hospitable!
I've been in construction sites that are cleaner... OK, I'll go back up
there one more time for your sake Moritz, but if I'm never heard from again
someone please look for me in this dungeon of a second floor space on Ste.
Catherine St. West.

Until I resurface...

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From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:36:19 -0800



> > "Dynamica" - Ray Martin
>
> I like this album, but I wonder about his other album in the Stereo Action
> series (I forget the name), the one that has "Jericho"--a great swinging
> tune with wonderfully irreverent "Hallelujahs" throughout.  Are any of his
> albums consistently that good?

I like Ray Martin records alot.  The one with Jericho on it is Excitement
Inc.  Then there is the "Sound Of Sight" that is musical movies - a western,
outer space adventure, cartoon, etc.  His two spy theme LP's, Goldfinger and
Thunderball are terrific.  There is also his Comic Strip Favorites with
themes to popeye, tarzan and dick tracy.  Oh, and Martin Goes Latin - with a
couple of tracks sounding very much like Esquivel.

see a coupla covers here:

http://www.basichip.com/covers/martin.jpg
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From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) tester
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:19:14 -0000


Sorry, just experimenting

Charles Moseley
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From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) FW: Florida scores!
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:25:31 -0000


At last, I am subscribed and can finally post - lots of issues getting onto
the list recently.

> Lots of finds in FL including:
>
> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz)
> Layers - Les McCann (top quality moody jazz with Clavinet and Arp)
> Lots of Enoch Light and Command/Project3 LPs - about 10 including Brass
> Menagerie that turned out to have a Bill Cosby record in it. Drat!
> James Bond thing with Kenyon Hopkins and a couple of other jazz artists.
> First Nuggets compilation
> Prelude - Deodato (funkyish nice jazz LP)
> Best of Tom Scott LP (funkyish nice jazz LP)
> ubiquitous parakeet training record
> Mike Curb Congregation easy LP (promised interest and delivered soft vocal
> mush)
> Some wacky Bossa LP with a cool cover Bossa Now! Joe Parnell? Darnell?
> something like that
> 1 or 2 Fifth Dimension LPs (tedious)
> Movin & Groovin - The Three Suns (not sure if I understand this one - its
> OK)
Curtis Mayfield - Superfly OST
> The Hillside Singers - I'd like to teach the world to sing (bland
> Christian crap) - does anybody know more about this Metromedia label - is
> it all god-bothering music?
> Umbrellas of Cherbourg soundtrack but only the single LP
> Bob James - Three (not bad jazz)
> Some house and hip hop things.
>
> I brought back around 80 records total and spent around $100. A reasonable
> haul but I passed up so many records through cost and weight issues. One
> Sunday morning in Florida, I managed to get stuck in the middle of a
> packed church hall flea market where a major fight broke out between
> around 30 old biddies screaming over a standard lamp that one had bought
> but another had picked up.
>
I feel whole again as a fully paid up subscriber to this bloody list.


> Charlie
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Subject: (exotica) organ and vibes again
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:39:54 -0000


Late I know,  but I only spotted it last night.  'To catch a Thief'  By
Harry Stoneham on Solid Gold Hammond.  The single LP of that name rather
than the double comp, but it may be on there.  Segues nicely into Hawaii
5-0.


El Maestro Con Queso

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Subject: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:50:04 -0000


Picked this up at the weekend.  After 6 weeks abstinence I was crazed.  I
needed something, just...got...to...score....some vinyl....
In the nick of time I managed to pick it up.  I'd seen it on dusty groove
and it had got me hungry.  I must say its not a patch on volume 1.  And I
don't mean that just because vol 2 doesn't have any Ed Lincoln tracks on it.
The range of styles isn't there, the organisation of the sides that makes
vol 1 a pleasure to play doesn't seem to be there,  the quality of
manufacture is the pits.  Horrible, noisy.
Two sides open with batacuda's,  one of which is (another) version of the
Masters at Work 'Brazilian Beat' track.  I can see the appeal, and I know Mr
Bongo has to make his money from them,  but OK.  Its not bad.  Doesn't have
the same barmy appeal as Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of 'Caravan',
but its not bad.  That just about sums up the LP.

Not bad.  Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first.  Nothing crazed.
No funk.  Maybe I need to listen to it some more (I've not had that much
chance).  But I'd say, get Volume 1 over this one.


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Subject: RE: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:57:35 -0000


"Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first"


Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a
blinder! And the whole LP is superb.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address
Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:05:25 +0100




[e-mail] schrieb:

>
>
> If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs, each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking.  I will post when it is live (hopefully in the next couple of weeks).

I think this is a good idea. music history eventually burns down to "the single song". my fave is still Some Velvet Morning, and I guess I could write a book about it. You can find the entire cosmos in one song. BTW: I just checked thorugh the "Groovin With Nancy" DVD and in the spoken comment Nancy says, that the mysterious fog you see in the background when Lee comes riding along with his horse, was in fact the smoke of a garbage burning factory. Now, next day, when I watched it again, I thought, man, how great! They should have shown a glimpse of that factory. It adds a new dimension to the video and the song.


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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:05:16 +0100


Thanks, Alan and Mike. I guess I needed that. Sometimes I don't react myself, simply because someone else has already put it so brillantly.

Mo

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:01:13 +0100




bigshot schrieb:

> 100 years ago, only a few scholars remembered who Bach was. The
> original manuscript for the Brandenburg Concertos was sold for
> a quarter originally. Now people all over the world have CDs of
> the Brandenburg Concertos sitting on their shelves. Even teenage
> kids know who Bach is. It's not all as bad as it seems sometimes.

that's true. Bach was all forgotten. But if you state that only the fact that he was rediscovered sheds a brighter light on our otherwise so dark age of music I still disagree.
That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? I only know that Jaques Lousier made him pretty popular again in the jazz scene of the 50s and beyond. For myself it owes to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though.
Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a classical concert, the first one in years, and talked to some officials of Universal about their ideas on the subject of repopularizing classical music. I stated - and still state - that since Walter Carlos nothing interesting had happened. (Deodato, Rondo Veneziano et al are rather uninteresting) Carlos advantage was, that he didn't need the classical orchestra, which is hard to afford these days, especially when you compare it to a computer programmer. (Although I must say, that it was a special experience to see all these musicians play in harmony and feel the sound surge through their ranks... yet it seemed kind of outdated - to me - sitting still for an hour et al)
As for predictions: To me the future of classicism lies in clever emotion-interactive three dimensional ambient multi-media sound installations.



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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:04:02 +0100


Brian schrieb:

> Moritz wrote:
>
> >Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to this.
> You mean me!

not at all. I meant "them"

> > I hope you bought the Bimbo Jet!
> But I already have three of them which is more than I have of any one
> record! Anyone out there interested?

Bimbo Jets are the precious shells to trade records from other people.

>>
>> That store is still there. It's called M.A.R.S. and its about as hospitable!
>> I've been in construction sites that are cleaner... OK, I'll go back up
>> there one more time for your sake Moritz, but if I'm never heard from again
>> someone please look for me in this dungeon of a second floor space on Ste.
>> Catherine St. West.
>
:-) Don't be afraid. It's a gold mine. The look of that shop was only designed to frighten away people like you. Don't let them fool you! If you'd survived Harry's Hafenbazar, and scratched old cat shit from even older Papua totems like I did, you'd yawn into the face of fear for the rest of your life! Go (St.) West!


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From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Blue Bossa
Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:15:31 +0000


clayton black wrote:
>
> Has anybody heard the "Blue Bossa" CD on the Bluenote lable?  It's a
> compilation, and I only remember that it had a Lou Rawls tune on it.  I
> bought it for my brother for Christmas, just sort of guessing that it was
> good (I'm a sucker for anything to a bossa nova beat).  I haven't talked to
> him in months, and the last time I did, I forgot to ask, and I'm also a bit
> afraid that I won't get a straight answer from him (fearing that he'll hurt
> my feelings.  But he doesn't know too much about the genre anyway).
> Clayton

The 'Blue' series of lps and cds are produced by the UK branch of Blue
Note, and have been going since about 1990. Blue Bossa is from about 92
i think, and has some killer jazz cuts, like Horace Parlan - Congalegre,
Kenny Dorham - Afrodisia - no Lou Rawls though... There is also a volume
two (maybe this has the lou rawls?)

Some of the best of the 'Blue' series IMO are, off the top of my head:

Blue Juice 1-3
Blue Break Beats 2
Blue Bossa
Blue Bacharach
Blue Brazil 3
Afro Blue 1,2
Blue'n'Groovy 2

but there's loads more...
Blue Juice 1 is ordered very well - makes a very good mix tape style
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From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:27:32 +0000


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Picked this up at the weekend.  After 6 weeks abstinence I was crazed.  I
> needed something, just...got...to...score....some vinyl....
> In the nick of time I managed to pick it up.  I'd seen it on dusty groove
> and it had got me hungry.  I must say its not a patch on volume 1.  And I
> don't mean that just because vol 2 doesn't have any Ed Lincoln tracks on it.
> The range of styles isn't there, the organisation of the sides that makes
> vol 1 a pleasure to play doesn't seem to be there,  the quality of
> manufacture is the pits.  Horrible, noisy.
> Two sides open with batacuda's,  one of which is (another) version of the
> Masters at Work 'Brazilian Beat' track.  I can see the appeal, and I know Mr
> Bongo has to make his money from them,  but OK.  Its not bad.  Doesn't have
> the same barmy appeal as Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of 'Caravan',
> but its not bad.  That just about sums up the LP.
>
> Not bad.  Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first.  Nothing crazed.
> No funk.  Maybe I need to listen to it some more (I've not had that much
> chance).  But I'd say, get Volume 1 over this one.

I liked the Latin Beats comp (also from Mr Bongo) which is much more
consistent, (and heavy). Tito Puente doing '2001', the Benny More tune
from the Guinness advert (with the snail racing), a fantastic Sabu
track...

Also I can definitely recommend the whole of the Nico Gomez album, not
just 'Lupita'.


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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Cugie's Cocktails
Date: 13 Mar 2001 06:55:07 -0600


Can't resist putting in my two bits about this terrific LP.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this and at least one David Carroll LP
("Music Makes Me Want to Dance") had more than a little help from Quincy
Jones.  Several of the Cugat number sure sound like out-takes from Quincy's
great "Big Band Bossa Nova" album (the source of the Austin Powers theme,
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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:26:17 +0100 (CET)




Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten
years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought
that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make
something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for
publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it.
On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal
pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and
energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But
my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced
it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be.
I have yet to see a computer made image that I like, or computer art
for that matter. It just doesnt speak to me.

To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done
but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. It is fun to
work in computers, I really like it. Internet is great, you can publish
things yourself and people can find your pages. It is still very
democratic. But if I want to see a picture I prefer a print, a
painting, a drawing and not a compressed copy. Same with music, I dont
care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. To me, the
monotoneous rythmic beat from a machine is DEATH! I like it when
musicians play themselves. Call me oldfashioned, I dont care, I am old
enough to decide what I like, and beyond that age when I must
experience everything new and exciting. If you send me a tape or a cd
with new sounds I promise I will listen to it, but dont expect me to it
more than once.

My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds"
and no to 99.99%. Anyone have a problem with my attitude? If so, try to
see it from my side, do you think it is fun to feel this way? I am
sorry but your paradise may be my hell.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:27:09 +0100 (CET)




Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten
years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought
that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make
something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for
publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it.
On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal
pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and
energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But
my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced
it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be.
I have yet to see a computer made image that I like, or computer art
for that matter. It just doesnt speak to me.

To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done
but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. It is fun to
work in computers, I really like it. Internet is great, you can publish
things yourself and people can find your pages. It is still very
democratic. But if I want to see a picture I prefer a print, a
painting, a drawing and not a compressed copy. Same with music, I dont
care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. To me, the
monotoneous rythmic beat from a machine is DEATH! I like it when
musicians play themselves. Call me oldfashioned, I dont care, I am old
enough to decide what I like, and beyond that age when I must
experience everything new and exciting. If you send me a tape or a cd
with new sounds I promise I will listen to it, but dont expect me to it
more than once.

My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds"
and no to 99.99%. Anyone have a problem with my attitude? If so, try to
see it from my side, do you think it is fun to feel this way? I am
sorry but your paradise may be my hell.

Magnus




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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 05:43:33 -0800 (PST)


The Melvin Peebles stuff I have is all pretty damn
good (Only Sweet Sweetback's Revenge comes to mind...
the opening track, if I recall correctly has the
sounds of Mr Sweetback making sweet love to his
special lady while a gospel song is going on. A bit of
in-church scroggery before the funk proceeds).

Lyman's Cotton Fields is good, but not excessively
distinct from many of his other recordings.

And, I love The Ventures Xmas lp... the little revved
up first chords of a surf song segue into a Christmas
classic (if you come up with any Atlantics lps on your
safaris, let me know if you're up for a swap ;).

Speaking of surf: I recently foulnd an lp by a band
called Calvin Cool and The Surf Knobs. Very thrown
together stuff, not really interesting - but many of
the songs are credited to M. Rogers. Published rumor
has it that this is Milton "Shorty" Rogers. I know
that Shorty Rogers got around, but can anyone confirm?



--- Philip Jackson <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> here's some vinyl I've picked up in the last couple
> of weeks - all from $1 -
> $2 Australian (halve that for US$!!). Op-shops
> (thrift stores) still come up
> trumps here once in a while. Any comments
> appreciated.


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From: "christie j. white" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Polynesia 1 & 2
Date: 13 Mar 2001 08:57:44 -0500


Does anyone have the records Polynesia and Polynesia 2?  My boyfriend has
Polynesia which seems to be an EP but I just scored Polynesia 2 and to my
discovery it has some of the same songs as Polynesia.  I wanted to know if
they are the same cuts or maybe this is a full length lp?  What a cover!!
Great album to listen to on Sunday mornings while drinking a Mimosa!

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Gadfly: "Culture that Matters"
Date: 13 Mar 2001 05:58:19 -0800 (PST)


A friend of mine recently sent me a copy of this
magazine. Last month's issue had articles on the life
and art of Boris Vian and Harry Partch as well as
articles on underground film classics, original
fiction, etc. My only complaint is that the articles
are not as in-depth as they could be. Worth the
glance, though:

http://www.gadfly.org/2001-01/welcome.html

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From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Recent Finds...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:00:42 -0500



Clayton asked:
>Are
>there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very
>good, and certainly worth the fifty cents or dollar

Two that I passed over about 30 times each, but then ended up really liking:

** Herb Alpert's _Going Places_  <--Overwhelming flashback to "the
Dating Game"!
** Burt Bacharach _Reach Out_   <--esp. the unknown classic "Are You There"

And maybe this is just a Midwest thing. . . but copies of Enoch
Light's _I Want to be Happy Cha Chas_ still seem relatively common.
That one is still in my personal top 20. . .

cheers,

  --Ross

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From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Test Test......
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:31:45 -0500


No messages for 3days???  I'm off the list - egad!!!

- Nate




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From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) FW: Florida scores! Fucking list! What is going on with the posts
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:45:27 -0000




Charles Moseley
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From:     Charles Moseley
> Sent:    13 March 2001 10:19
> To:    '[e-mail]'
> Subject:    FW: Florida scores!
>
> At last, I am subscribed and can finally post - lots of issues getting
> onto the list recently.
>
> Lots of finds in FL including:
>
> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz)
> Layers - Les McCann (top quality moody jazz with Clavinet and Arp)
> Lots of Enoch Light and Command/Project3 LPs - about 10 including Brass
> Menagerie that turned out to have a Bill Cosby record in it. Drat!
> James Bond thing with Kenyon Hopkins and a couple of other jazz artists.
> First Nuggets compilation
> Prelude - Deodato (funkyish nice jazz LP)
> Best of Tom Scott LP (funkyish nice jazz LP)
> ubiquitous parakeet training record
> Mike Curb Congregation easy LP (promised interest and delivered soft vocal
> mush)
> Some wacky Bossa LP with a cool cover Bossa Now! Joe Parnell? Darnell?
> something like that
> 1 or 2 Fifth Dimension LPs (tedious)
> Movin & Groovin - The Three Suns (not sure if I understand this one - its
> OK)
> Curtis Mayfield - Superfly OST
> The Hillside Singers - I'd like to teach the world to sing (bland
> Christian crap) - does anybody know more about this Metromedia label - is
> it all god-bothering music?
> Umbrellas of Cherbourg soundtrack but only the single LP
> Bob James - Three (not bad jazz)
> Some house and hip hop things.
>
> I brought back around 80 records total and spent around $100. A reasonable
> haul but I passed up so many records through cost and weight issues. One
> Sunday morning in Florida, I managed to get stuck in the middle of a
> packed church hall flea market where a major fight broke out between
> around 30 old biddies screaming over a standard lamp that one had bought
> but another had picked up.
>
> I feel whole again as a fully paid up subscriber to this bloody list.
>
>
> Charlie
>
> Editor
> C3 Magazine
> 3 St Peter's Street
> London
> N1 8JD
>
> Tel: [phone] (direct)
>        [phone] (switchboard)
> Fax: [phone]
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>
>


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From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ooops, sorry to swear. Everything looks good now.
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:53:46 -0000




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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Fwd: FW: Cosmic covers
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:00:30 -0600


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Hi Colleen,
My second Exotica message follows. Please forward it to the list.
Thanks,
Rock

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Sent:=0906 March 2001 12:17

Hello again,

I meant to mention - there's a cover version of 'Aries' from Cosmic
Sounds
by The Nice (Keith Emerson's band before ELP) on a recent
CD 'America - the
BBC sessions' (but be careful - there's more than one Nice
compilation with
'America' in the title).

All for now,
Rock =A0


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Subject: Fwd: FW: (exotica) Cosmic Sounds
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:01:38 -0600


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Hello Colleen,
I posted the following message to the Exotica list in answer to your
query
regarding The Zodiac - Cosmic Sounds. Unfortunately it disappeared
into the
void, so I'm now reposting it to you personally. Could you please do
me a
favour by forwarding it to the list, for the benefit of anyone else
who
might be interested. Actually, I just remembered, there are two
messages -
I'll post the second to you as well, as it's on the same subject -
could you
please forward both of them, while I ponder what went wrong. I know
several
people on the list have had trouble posting recently, so maybe I've
just
been caught up in some tech problem. (I posted to
[e-mail]
as instructed).
Anyway, many thanks and I hope this information is of some use to you.
Take care,
Rock

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Sent:=0906 March 2001 11:58

Greetings all,

My name is Rock, from London, England, and this is my first post.
I've been
reading the list for a few weeks and I'm really impressed by the
inclusiveness and enthusiasm for the subject that's been displayed. I
wasn't
too keen on the way Lawrence got ripped to shreds after his first
post, but
that seems to have calmed down now. I was going to introduce myself
properly, and talk of my interest in Exotica, in my first =A0post but
this is
now just a quickie to respond to Colleen regarding The Zodiac - Cosmic
Sounds. I'm very familiar with this album, having had a (now very
beaten up)
copy since it's original release. I've been hoping for a CD
rerelease, but
no luck so far. Anyway, if you go to Netsounds (www.netsounds.com/)
<http://www.netsounds.com/)> , which describes itself as 'The UK's No
1
Music Market Place', and run a search for 'Cosmic Sounds', you should
find
(today, Tues 6) 3 copies being offered: a New copy of the (bootleg)
repress
at 13.20; a Mint copy of the original (in mono) for 24.20; and a Very
Good
copy of the original (in stereo) for 8.00. All prices in UK Pounds,
but
there's an onscreen currency converter should anyone need it. I think
Netsounds is just a dealers' forum, but it's all set-price, no
haggling or
bidding. Just out of interest, I ran a search on Martin Denny and
came up
with 137 items - quite a few at 10 Pounds or less, but also many at 30
Pounds (50 Dollars?). =A0 =A0
I'll post again soon, with a proper introduction. If there are any
other
Residents fans here, please say 'Hello' so I know who you are (Hi,
Brian!).


More soon,
Rock



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Subject: (exotica) New Chris Dedrick Interview
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:34:54 -0000


Just to let you know that an interview I recently did with Free Design founder
Chris Dedrick about the new album "Cosmic Peekaboo" has just gone up on
the Marina website:

http://www.marina.com/fdinterview.htm

It'll be on my Free Design site too within the next few days.


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From: "William" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) p5
Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:35:22 +0800


hi all,

   for those that dig p5. it is official. they will split at the end of this
month. there have been rumours flying around for some time. especially since
their new greatest hits disc has the words RIP in the title. when the latest
album came out some of us wondered "is this  a new direction? or a one off?
why isn't maki on this album more?". but now i guess we'll never know what
would of been the next step after this. as they will be splitting. at least
there will probably be other projects(maki  released a solo album last year)
and konishi doing whatever he is doing...so far it is unclear as to why or
what their plans are next... anyway, i thought some of you out there would
want to know about this.

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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 07:40:58 -0800 (PST)


One of the trends in classical music and especially Bach was to
bring the music back to its period instruments and the style it was
originally meant to be played in.  Philippe Herreweghe and the
Harmonia Mundi label from France haunted me when I first heard Bach
played that way.  I was familiar with Bach ala Bernstein and
especially Wendy Carlos.  Just loved Walter Carlos interpretation,
caught my attention big time.  But Philippe Herreweghe was just too
beautiful an interpretation of Bach for me to resist.  No more tick
tock clock notes, not too many notes too fast filling up every
second, but a beautiful peaceful flowing music is the way Bach may
have originally sounded, at least in Herreweghe's interpretation.

Mo I also attended a symphony the other night.  Beautiful but it
was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that
long.  I found it much easier to go park out at the lake front last
night, with a delicious bottle of French wine, French bread and
Italian cheese and listen to the new Tipsy, P-5, Thievery
Corporation and Chicklett with my girlfriend.  I guess parking at a
lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at
least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't.  As for Chicklet they
sounded like a  great 1966 band with sweet girl vocals on top.

I think we are in some of the best times for modern music
releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut).  The music scene
today is as diverse as ever.  Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop,
Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica,
breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf.  And even more amazing in this
modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the
whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra.   For those
who aren't familiar with the modern pop scene I highly recommend
Caroline Now on the Marina label available at DustyGroove as a
great introduction.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


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 For myself it owes to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a
new kick. Both musicians changed Bach significantly to update him
though. Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a
classical




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Subject: (exotica) Re: follow me, brazilian stuff
Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:42:33 -0500 (EST)


>>- Last week - 'Follow Me' soundtrack - really amazing stuff, a beautiful
mix of now sound, softpop and ambient strings...
>What is this?  Who did the soundtrack?  When was the movie made?  Who
>directed it?

It's a 1969 movie about surfers; the soundtrack is by Stu Phillips, and also features Dino, Desi and Billy singing on some (excellent) tracks.  One theme from the movie - 'thru spray colored glasses' - appears on the recently discusses 'mad mad world of soundtracks' cd.  There is a different 'Follow me' from 1972 starring Mia Farrow, with a soundtrack by John Barry; I'm not sure who directed this one.
I always feel ignorant when people ask me about films.  I can usually picture the cover of the soundtrack album, but only sometimes can I actually describe the film.

>>it turns out that Marcos Valle is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue
suggests,
>I bought this. It wasn't great.  What have you heard that's better than
>this?  What does he sound like?

I'm quite fond of 'samba '68' - particularly the warm string arrangements by Eumir Deodato.  But I would understand if some people found the whole thing a bit feeble.  Samba 68 was an American recording on the Verve label, and all the Marcos Valle originals sung on it are sung in English, with the often derided lyrics by Norman Gimbel and Ray Gilbert.

> I just get this feeling that there's a bunch of obscure stuff on Brazilian labels and if I heard it, I'd
>think "Oh if that's the real stuff, I think I like the UN-real stuff better".

Until the late 1970s, almost all Marcos Valle's work was recorded and released exclusively in Brazil.  When he wasn't trying to please the American market, he had to a very different sound, but it definitely wasn't 'authentic'.  In fact, I think it might appeal to you.  It's very hard to describe, but I'll try.  His work varies dramatically, ranging from some great slower numbers  - percussive, with rich strings and amazing chord changes (e.g. 'Tiao Braco Forte' from 1967) through to bizarre but beautiful hybrids of soul and bossa nova, with scat vocals and a lot of harmonizing.

This doesn't really tell half the story, but if it interests you at all, I highly recommend the CD 'the essential marcos valle volume 2', which you can usually get at dustygroove.  Vol 1 is also excellent, but a little less rich and more funky.  Which may be what you're looking for, of course....

Thanks for your recommendations, Alan.  I'm not really big on 'authenticity' either, but I think in the case of Brazilian Music (from the bossa nova era onwards, anyway), any distinction like that is pretty blurred from the beginning - it was a hybrid of styles from the start.  Also, quite a few Brazilian 'greats' recorded some of their best albums in the US, with American session players (e.g. Antonio Carlos Jobim's 'Wave').   Some of my favorite 'brazilian' tracks include Claudine Longet singing 'meditation' and Percy Faith doing 'How insensitive'.

>>If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about
>>musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs,
>>each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking.

>That sounds interesting.
I hope it will be; let me know if you would like a sneak preview.

btw I saw your film when it played in new york, Alan.
Fascinating stuff, and it has definitely stayed in my mind.

cheers,
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Subject: RE: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:59:25 -0000


Indeed it is.  Its a wild track.  I've got a feeling its written by someone
like Prez Prado,  which would make sense.  I wonder what the original is
like.  Would that be a Nico Gomez LP?  Whats the rest like? (apart from
superb).


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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:49:13 -0500


>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when?

Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get together
and go over music that they called ôthe lost artö. They put together a
concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach was
on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed.

In a way you could say that Bach was the original ôexotica findö. A talented
local artist that was almost forgotten except by family and friends until
someone started promoting it.

IÆm crazy about the Swingle Singers. A French vocal group, with an American
leader, thatÆs transcribed BachÆs music for vocals and a bass to keep the
beat. Mostly the keyboard works.

They also did some other baroque composers, an LP of Mozart and they once
got together with the Modern Jazz Quartet for some originals.

www.cddb.com lists 30 CDs by the Swingle Singers. Mostly comps.

There is also a compilation CD with the Swingle Singers and Jaques Lousier,
Eric correct me, but it might be called ôBach for the Bachelor Padö? And
there is even a track of them playing together.

IÆm nuts about Baroque interpretations. Carlos et all. And try to put them
in the martini mix. Anybody have any favorites?

Domenic Ciccone
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Subject: (exotica) [obits] Michael Smith, Morton Downey Jr.
Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:49:22 -0500


Michael Smith

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Michael Smith, the drummer for the 1960s rock band Paul Revere and the Raiders, died March 6 in Kona, Hawaii, of natural causes. He was 58.

Smith, who played the part of the madcap jokester on stage, joined the band in 1962. The Raiders were known for their tri-cornered hats, colonial costumes and wild stage act.

The Raiders were signed by CBS' Columbia Records in 1963, and in 1965 they were hired to host ``Where the Action Is,'' a daily afternoon television show on ABC produced by Dick Clark Productions.

The Raiders' hit singles included ``Just Like Me,'' ``Kicks,'' ``Good Thing'' and ``Indian Reservation.''

---
Morton Downey Jr.

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Morton Downey Jr., the chain-smoking, often-combative talk-show host who reigned over ``Trash TV'' in the 1980s, died Monday of lung cancer and other respiratory problems. He was 67.

A chain smoker for years until losing a lung to cancer, Downey was known for deliberately blowing smoke into the faces of guests who annoyed him when he was host of one of the most popular talk shows on television in the 1980s.

After his cancer surgery in 1996, he became an anti-smoking crusader.

Downey, who was the son of popular singer Morton Downey and his dancer-wife, Barbara Bennett, pursued a number of professions including businessman, author, radio host, singer and songwriter, composing such hit surf-rock songs as ``Pipeline'' and ``Wipeout'' in the 1960s.
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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 08:53:11 -0800 (PST)


One of the trends in classical music and especially Bach was to
bring the music back to its period instruments and the style it was
originally meant to be played in.  Philippe Herreweghe and the
Harmonia Mundi label from France haunted me when I first heard Bach
played that way.  I was familiar with Bach ala Bernstein and
especially Wendy Carlos.  Just loved Walter Carlos interpretation,
caught my attention big time.  But Philippe Herreweghe was just too
beautiful an interpretation of Bach for me to resist.  No more tick
tock clock notes, not too many notes too fast filling up every
second, but a beautiful peaceful flowing music is the way Bach may
have originally sounded, at least in Herreweghe's interpretation.

Mo I also attended a symphony the other night.  Beautiful but it
was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that
long.  I found it much easier to go park out at the lake front last
night, with a delicious bottle of French wine, French bread and
Italian cheese and listen to the new Tipsy, P-5, Thievery
Corporation and Chicklett with my girlfriend.  I guess parking at a
lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at
least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't.  As for Chicklet they
sounded like a 1966 band with sweet girl vocals on top.

I think we are in some of the best times for modern music
releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut).  The music scene
today is as diverse as ever.  Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop,
Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica,
breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf.  And even more amazing in this
modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the
whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra.   For those
who aren't familiar with the modern pop scene I highly recommend
Caroline Now on the Marina label available at DustyGroove as a
great introduction.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck




--- Moritz R <[e-mail]> wrote:
> That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and
> when? I only know that Jaques Lousier made him pretty popular
> again in the jazz scene of the 50s and beyond. For myself it owes
> to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both
> musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though.
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From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:54:36 +0000


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Indeed it is.  Its a wild track.  I've got a feeling its written by someone
> like Prez Prado,  which would make sense.  I wonder what the original is
> like.  Would that be a Nico Gomez LP?  Whats the rest like? (apart from
> superb).

It is a Prez Prado track. The Nico Gomez Lp has three or four other
super-heavy tracks, a couple of bossa-ish ones, and El Condor Pasa with
a hip-hop-ish break under it.

Nico Gomez and his Afro Percussion Inc - Ritual is the full title

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From: Eric Taub <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:04:52 -0500


Pretty close, "Bach for Bachelor Pads".  I think its great; creative and =
quite clever...and it bridges the gap between the "exotica" music I like =
and what my fiancee (a classical musician) appreciates.  Not too many =
recordings do that.
Eric
>
>There is also a compilation CD with the Swingle Singers and Jaques =
Lousier,=20
>Eric correct me, but it might be called =93Bach for the Bachelor Pad=94? =
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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:08:13 -0500



Domenic Ciccone <[e-mail]> wrote:
> IÆm nuts about Baroque interpretations. . Anybody have any favorites?

How 'bout "Jazz Guitar Bach"?
http://www.jsbach.org/jazzguitar.html


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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) p5's Newest LP
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:15:14 -0800 (PST)


Pizzicato Five "Ca Et La Du Japon" (Readymade, Japan, 2001)
What a beautiful intricate way to say goodbye to 16 years of great
lps.  This is probably their last new lp. Ca Et La Du Japon has
more of a pop feel and less of a club dance beats feel than their
last lps. Also it reference Japanese culture much more.  This album
is full of wonderful melodies and quirky intricate changes that are
a key signature of Konishi.  Some great pop songs are on this lp.
I can't recommend this album enough for shibuya-kei fans.

P 5 have amazed me over the last 8 years.  The quality of their
music has been phenomenal.  The style of their music always seemed
to be evolving.  Exoticats might enjoy Quiet Couple an instrumental
version of their Bacharac soaked first full lp way back from the
mid 1980's.   Try Made In the USA to get a taste of more recent
styles.  I have really been shocked by the power of their
singles/eps in the last 2 years.  Darling of the Discoteque has an
almost I Am the Walrus / Paint It Black sitar feel to it for me.
There's really been nothing quite as impressive as this band for
me.
Sorry for the split.  I think Konishi will have a bright future
without Miss Maki.  Thanks William for the updates.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck

Its available (Japanese import only) from Other Music and Dusty
Groove for $29.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck
--- William <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
>    for those that dig p5. it is official. they will split at the
> end of this
> month. there have been rumours flying around for some time.


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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:21:12 -0800 (PST)


One of the trends in classical music and especially Bach was to
bring the music back to its period instruments and the style it was
originally meant to be played in.  Philippe Herreweghe and the
Harmonia Mundi label from France haunted me when I first heard Bach
played that way.  I was familiar with Bach ala Bernstein and
especially Wendy Carlos.  Just loved Walter Carlos interpretation,
caught my attention big time.  But Philippe Herreweghe was just too
beautiful an interpretation of Bach for me to resist.  No more tick
tock clock notes, not too many notes too fast filling up every
second, but a beautiful peaceful flowing music is the way Bach may
have originally sounded, at least in Herreweghe's interpretation.

Mo I also attended a symphony the other night.  Beautiful but it
was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that
long.  I found it much easier to go park out at the lake front last
night, with a delicious bottle of French wine, French bread and
Italian cheese and listen to the new Tipsy, P-5, Thievery
Corporation and Chicklett with my girlfriend.  I guess parking at a
lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at
least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't.  As for Chicklet they
sounded like a 1966 band with sweet girl vocals on top.

I think we are in some of the best times for modern music
releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut).  The music scene
today is as diverse as ever.  Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop,
Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica,
breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf.  And even more amazing in this
modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the
whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra.   For those
who aren't familiar with the modern pop scene I highly recommend
Caroline Now on the Marina label available at DustyGroove as a
great introduction.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck




--- Moritz R <[e-mail]> wrote:
> That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and
> when? I only know that Jaques Lousier made him pretty popular
> again in the jazz scene of the 50s and beyond. For myself it owes
> to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both
> musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though.
> Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a classical




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From: J o h n <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:27:08 -0800 (PST)


Speaking of Brazilian beats (well, sort of), has
anyone on the list heard the Lindberg Hemmer
Foundation' "Brazilian Architecture" CD? I saw it
listed on the dustygrooves site and it looks like it
could be a good listen. Is it pure bossa stuff?

Thanks!
John

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Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:59:57 EST



In a message dated 3/13/1 12:27:41 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>has
>anyone on the list heard the Lindberg Hemmer
>Foundation' "Brazilian Architecture" CD?

Not yet and I was wondering...I got their other CD a couple of years back
"Music For Supermarkets" and still listen to it. Electronic-flava'd EZ
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Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:25:25 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds" and no to 99.99%.

what about Tipsy?

Mo

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Subject: (exotica) Schmalzwald im Roter Salon 15.03.
Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:25:30 +0100


Schmalzwald im Roter Salon

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:55:39 -0500


At 10:48 AM 3/13/01 -0500, clayton black wrote:
.>> "Dynamica" - Ray Martin
>
>I like this album, but I wonder about his other album in the Stereo Action
.> Are any of his
>albums consistently that good?

In my opinion, Ray Martin is one of the most consistent.  His two Stereo
Action are the two best S.A's.  He made a really good album of Bond covers.
 Then there's that absolutely wacky "Out of Sight" record he made, one of
the few "concept albums" of the lounge era.
None of these guys are 100% consistent but he comes closer than most.

>
>> "My Son, The Folksinger" - Alan Sherman
>>
>I think I see this almost more than any album in the bins, except for the
>Herb Alpert repertoire.  Which leads me to the reason for this note.  Are
>there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very
>good, and certainly worth the fifty cents

If you're asking is there an Alan Sherman record with lots of groovy
electric sitar, the answer is "Not that I've found".
But I think his records are worth a listen.  How much will you pay for a
couple of pleasant listenings?  If fifty cents is too much, I can
understand.  And in that case, no there aren't any of his records worth
more than fifty cents.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 19:53:42 +0100 (CET)



citerar Moritz R <[e-mail]>:

> Magnus Sandberg schrieb:
>
> > My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic
sounds" and
> no to 99.99%.
>
> what about Tipsy?


I bought Tipsys first album, and enjoyed it (So you see I am not all
against everything sampled). I lended the cd to a girlfriend and she
loved it so I let her keep it. Can't say that I missed it since. But it
was pretty good.

On concerts, I recently was on a jazzconcert with Arne Domnerus,
wellknown jazzman even abroad. It was music from the fifties, and it
was as good as then. I real kick. We were maybe five people under fifty
years there, and it was maybe five to sixhundred people gathered. Is
not that strange? I know a lot of youngsters are playing jazz in
Sweden, and very good too, but this night, where were they?

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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) welcome
Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:01:54 -0600


Hi Rock,
Thanks for the info on Zodiac Sounds, that's the way my brother-in-
law is, he has an old beaten up copy that he made a CD out of, sounds
terrible, but he loves it.  Would love to find him a good copy.
Thanks again...from one newbi to another...



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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:14:11 -0500


This is mostly for Brian but...
I just found a used record store here and, while it lasts, it's AMAZING!
The only drawback is that everything you might want is either $10 or $20.
And maybe it's not great for the stuff you want, whatever that is.
But for the kind of stuff I want, it's mind boggling.
I have a feeling james brouwer, our soundtrack maven, has been there.  If
he hasn't, I'm almost afraid to tell him about it.  This might be my only
chance to get a few cool soundtracks.
On the other hand, I've only been there once and I keep forbidding myself
to return.

I don't think records are disappearing.  I think that you have to look in
different places.  There are still lots of places with lots of records and
very few people buying them.   Ohio for instance.
I think one of the things that's happened is that people finally clued in
to the fact that their old records are actually worth something.
Unfortunately it's sort of human nature that when you hear they're worth
something, that you think they must be worth A LOT.
The stores that buy used vinyl have been glutted with the stuff.
And lots of records that would have once seemed special, are seeming less
special.  So even if you come in with some record that a lot of people on
this list would die for, they're not going to give you too much for it.
So people are holding onto their records.  They don't want to give them
away because they're supposed to be worth something.  But they can't find
anyone to give them what they THINK they're worth.

That's my theory.

You gotta see this store though...

It's sick.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] Michael Smith, Morton Downey Jr.
Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:30:33 -0600


The Raiders were signed by CBS' Columbia Records in 1963, and in 1965
they were hired to host ``Where the Action Is,'' a daily afternoon
television show on ABC produced by Dick Clark Productions.

The Raiders' hit singles included ``Just Like Me,'' ``Kicks,'' ``Good
Thing'' and ``Indian Reservation.''
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fiete=20Apoll?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Great Soundtracks...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:34:05 +0100 (CET)


Hi...

This is the second time I post something to this great
mailing list! The discussion about Soundtracks is very
interessting! One Soundtrack I am now looking for
allready more than a decade is 'Assault on Precinct13'
from John Carpenter. I have seen the movie and the
main theme is really wicked! It is so great!!! I love
it! Anyone of you know the Soundtrack?

More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would
really be interessted in are:

'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art
and some nice sounds!

Or look for 'It's a mad, mad, mad World'!!! Great
Coverwork over a double records Cover (or how you call
it in English!?)...

Greetings... Fiete

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Subject: Re: (exotica) FW: Florida scores!
Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:55:30 -0500


At 10:25 AM 3/13/01 -0000, Charles Moseley wrote:
>
>> Lots of finds in FL including:
>>
>> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz)
>> Layers - Les McCann (top quality moody jazz with Clavinet and Arp)
>> Lots of Enoch Light and Command/Project3 LPs - about 10 including Brass
>> Menagerie that turned out to have a Bill Cosby record in it. Drat!
>> James Bond thing with Kenyon Hopkins and a couple of other jazz artists.

This certainly proves my..."theory" that there are still tons of records
out there if only you're in the right place.
I don't know how many tracks Dave Pike made that are as groovy as that
track with the electric sitar that I heard on a compilation a few years
ago.  But judging from the records I've heard of his, I don't think many.
Still because of that one track, the name of Dave Pike was elevated and his
records became more expensive and more scarce.
I think I've seen that "Jazz for the Jet Set" LP.  It has a girl with a
space suit on it?  If so, that's a very attractive album cover and a lot of
stores would put 40 dollars or so on it, even if the record turns out to be
mellow vibes jazz that you could get in many other packages for A LOT less.

I love those stores - and they're rare around here - where they see a cool
record and think "Oh someone might pay an extra dollar because of the
cover" and they put it out for 5 bucks.
I was in a store like that in London, Ontario.
The coolest record in the store, which would have been forty bucks here,
was on the wall there for ten bucks.

Anyway nice to see you back Charlie.  Thanks for that offer you made me.
And nice to see you found a place with lots of records.  It makes sense
somehow that Florida would be a minefield of used vinyl.

No hanging chad jokes here.

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:08:11 -0800


Gee, I'm really sorry I asked anyone about their favorite album covers the other week. I just wanted to know about some albums to look around for to see their design, beyond the albums I have, and the books of album cover art I have, and on and on and on. I didn't know that my inquisitiveness would be so awful for certain readers. Maybe I should keep this in mind and only ask about things I am certain NO ONE knows about. Or only talk about things I was really into ten years ago, like Yma Sumac, so that there's no sense of the status quo being rocked here. Or keep totally off topic and bring up things like foot fungus. I come to this list to learn. And just like many others here, there's nothing really new anyone could tell me about Sergio Mendes, or Martin Denny, but I have no problem answering questions people posit, because with knowledge comes responsibility. I just don't get why someone would be so bothered about someone bringing up topics that have been brought up before. So what? Just delete the message.

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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:08:46 -0500



>>I don't think records are disappearing.  I think that you have to look in
>>different places.  There are still lots of places with lots of records and
>>very few people buying them.

My future brother-in-law works at a hospital. To raise money they have a
huge yard sale where people donate there unwanted items to sell.

He told me that they used to throw out the rekkids, not even sell them. He's
threw out a whole pick-up truck load once.

Well he's saving them for me. So someday soon I'll have a cellar full of
Mantovani and Andy Williams!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:17:13 -0500


At 02:26 PM 3/13/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:

> Same with music, I dont
>care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. To me, the
>monotoneous rythmic beat from a machine is DEATH! I like it when
>musicians play themselves.

I know there's really nothing in this post that requires a reply or a
comment but somehow I'm drawn to do so anyway.

On principle, I would say that I prefer the sound of a musician playing
their instrument too. However I'm not sure I can tell the difference.
Right now I'm listening to the second Cinematic Orchestra CD (Gee I wish
they'd have chosen a less clumsy name) and the drums sound amazing.  They
sound like Elvin Jones.
I've heard that they make their CD's by starting with live musicians and
then someone cuts up and samples the recordings.

Anyway, what am I taking issue with?  You can't argue with taste and
particularly not with Magnus.
I guess I'm reacting to him saying he doesn't like sampling.  If I like a
record that was created with lots of "sampling", that doesn't mean I like
sampling.
Sampling is not a style of music, it's a technique.
It's like hearing Boots Randolph and saying "I don't like the saxophone"
(not that Boots didn't make some okay records, such as his version of
"These Boots..")

To me saying "I don't like sampling" is a philosophical position.  Almost
like a religious position.
I was a big fan of a lot of the "lo-fi" music that came out of the
alternative rock scene.  But I know that wasn't just about the music.  It
was about an aesthetic and I was making an aesthetic choice.  Which is a
philosophical choice.

I think I know what I'm saying here and I think I know why I'm arguing with
Magnus.

It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal philosophical "baggage"
to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and pretend
that it's all there in the music.

> Anyone have a problem with my attitude?

Yeah I do.

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] Michael Smith, Morton Downey Jr.
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:26:52 -0800 (PST)


I've heard this, and I do not know if it's a fact, but
to help establish the conspiracy I will mention that
The Chantays, who had the hit Pipeline*, released
their first lp on the Downey label (reissued on Dot).

*the credit for authorship is given to Chantays band
members Carmen and Spickard, I believe.

--- [e-mail] wrote:

> Downey, ...., composing
> such hit surf-rock songs as ``Pipeline'' and
> ``Wipeout'' in the 1960s.
> (Is this true??? Somehow, I'm doubting it! - Lou)


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Some Velvet Scoring (was: Jonny "Delicado" Perl
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:33:07 -0500


At 11:05 AM 3/13/2001, Mo wrote:
>I think this is a good idea. music history eventually burns down to "the
>single song". my fave is still Some Velvet Morning, and I guess I could
>write a book about it. You can find the entire cosmos in one song. BTW: I
>just checked thorugh the "Groovin With Nancy" DVD and in the spoken
>comment Nancy says, that the mysterious fog you see in the background when
>Lee comes riding along with his horse, was in fact the smoke of a garbage
>burning factory. Now, next day, when I watched it again, I thought, man,
>how great! They should have shown a glimpse of that factory. It adds a new
>dimension to the video and the song.

That's funny... double coincidence. Friday night I watched *my* tape of
"Movin' With Nancy". Saturday morning, purely by chance, I scored a copy of
the sheet music for "This Town" -- a Lee Hazlewood song Nancy did in the show!

I think the song was originally written for the movie "The Cool Ones" -- at
any rate, that's the connection the sheet music ties into.

See cover here:
http://ookworld.com/thistown.jpg

Hey, a soundtrack connection... does that make this post a triple-score?
Ernie Freeman's down there in the small print with the score credit. And
don't miss Mrs. Miller.


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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:37:23 -0500


At 08:34 PM 3/13/01 +0100, Fiete Apoll wrote:

>More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would
>really be interessted in are:
>
>'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art
>and some nice sounds!

That's one of my favorites.  More than just nice sounds.  Great electric
sitar sounds from Bill Plummer!!!
This record got "played out" a lot by some local D.J's and suddenly it was
hard to find.  "Everybody" - meaning maybe twenty people - wanted it and
they were asking dealers for it and then dealers were looking for it and
next thing you know, it's a fifty dollar record.
Somehow ever since I found two copies in Cleveland for a buck each, I think
the rush on this record has died down a bit and it's back to being a ten
buck record.  But I actually think this is almost worth the big money.
Of its type (sui generis?), this is about as good as it gets.

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:52:20 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:01:13 +0100
>From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
>
>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when?

You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral
transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. In the late
sixties, Stokowski's transcriptions fell out of favor as music
snobs championed historical performances, but now conductors like
Sawallisch, Bamberg and Solonen are rediscovering them and
presenting them as romantic alternatives to the "HIP" approach.

No one does it like old Stoki though. In his hands, those
transcriptions were like mini movies with a kaleidoscope of moods
and textures. If you get a chance to hear any of his recordings
of them with the Philadelphia Orchestra, check them out. They are
real mind expanders.

See ya
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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:52:59 -0800 (PST)


For me records aren't disappearing, but they are being replaced by
1980s records.

Seriously I am shocked by the multitudes of 1980s records appearing
in huge numbers in thrifts down here.  My favorite thrifts have
suddenly dried up with finds and there is Top Gun sound track
staring at me.

I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff and
the definition of good stuff has been expanded due to ebayazation.
Now good stuff includes lots of exotica and soundtracks or just any
cool cover.   Really I believe that is why Elvis and the Beatles
never appear in thrifts unless you go through the box that is
dropped off before the thrift store employees do.

Also I think there are a lot more shoppers than before.  But in a
small area it only takes one used record store owner to bribe his
way to all the good records from thrift store employees before they
are put on the shelves.

Really, Herb Alpert's Whipped Cream has even disappeared from the
thrifts down here.  I think I may already have enough though to
wall paper a room in my house.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
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Subject: (exotica) Musical Luddite
Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:09:19 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:26:17 +0100 (CET)
>From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
>
>To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done
>but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn.

Musicianship sure seems to be on the wane right now. Everyone
is focused on musicality.

>Same with music, I dont
>care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums.

I detest any synthesizer that is tweaked to sound like an acoustic
instrument. They NEVER sound as good, especially synth strings. Blech!
The best synth music is the early stuff where the machine itself set
the parameters of the voice. They used the sound of the machine
musically, without trying to make it sound like the musical
equivalent of wood grain contact paper. Whether I hear Yanni or
Peter Gabriel abusing sampling to create tacky pseudo-acoustic
sounds, it all sounds the same to me... fake. Techno music all
sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at
all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. It's time to unplug and
get back to basics.

I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it
possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble.
Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't
have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and
beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to
*being able to play instruments well*.

The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties
were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding
stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time!
Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who
cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it
sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just
sleeping it off.

I'm with you on this one, Magnus...

See ya
Steve

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Philosophical Baggage
Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:35:19 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal philosophical "baggage"
>to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and pretend
>that it's all there in the music.

If you don't have a theory, and nothing is happening in your brain
while you listen, the music just floats in one ear and out the
other. It doesn't matter what you listen to...

I would much rather hear the opinion of someone with
"philosophical baggage" that I disagree with, than listen to
blather of "oh this is good and this is good" from someone with
no critical point of view at all.

See ya
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Subject: (exotica) the dross of the stacks
Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:37:47 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Seriously I am shocked by the multitudes of 1980s records appearing
>in huge numbers in thrifts down here.  My favorite thrifts have
>suddenly dried up with finds and there is Top Gun sound track
>staring at me.
>I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff

Fifteen years ago, I complained about all the Ray Coniff and Herb
Alpert records! Time marches on!

See ya
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Subject: (exotica) Jazz for the Jet Set
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:48:51 -0600




alan zweig wrote:

> At 10:25 AM 3/13/01 -0000, Charles Moseley wrote:

> >>
> >> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz)

> I think I've seen that "Jazz for the Jet Set" LP.  It has a girl with a
> space suit on it?  If so, that's a very attractive album cover and a lot of
> stores would put 40 dollars or so on it, even if the record turns out to be
> mellow vibes jazz that you could get in many other packages for A LOT less.

Funny you should mention this. I found this LP jacket at a local (Baton Rouge)
thrift store last week. JUST THE JACKET, mind you, but in mint condition!

The cover really is very striking; someone before me had propped it on a
shelf, apparently out of admiration.  Needless to say I went through every
loose lp in the store looking for the record itself, but alas, to no avail.

Still, I bought it.  I've never heard the music, but I have the cover!

I'm relieved to hear that it PROBABLY doesn't sound as good as it looks.  Ya
never KNOW, though, 'til it hits yer ears!


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Subject: (exotica) A brighter view
Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:05:54 +0100 (CET)



> > > It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal
> > philosophical "baggage"
> > > to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and
> > pretend
> > > that it's all there in the music.


BUT IT IS!!! Man is his environment, noone could argue with the fact
that music is mechanical because our surrounding is mechanical. I just
can't find a secret hideaway other than in music recorded before the
70s.


> > Anyone have a problem with my attitude?
> > Yeah I do.

Sometimes I think that I have lost my feelings, but considering the way
I feel about music I probably have not. My attitude may come from the
fact that I have grown up in a small town with nothing but hockey and
football, I had to search everything out myself, (I am sure that I
share that with a lot of you) maybe that is why I sometimes feel that
this is "my" music or "my" book. That is the way it is, and if that
bugs you, you just dont understand passion.

Magnus


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered
Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:13:48 -0500


>>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and >>when?
>You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral
>transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s.


Actually it was Mendelssohn's 1829 performance of the St. Matthew Passion in Berlin that sparked the Bach "rediscovery."  There were other activities around that time but the performance was what really pushed it out of scholarship and into the mainstream.  Check the Britannica or any music history text.


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Subject: (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:15:31 -0500 (EST)


>I=92m nuts about Baroque interpretations. Carlos et all. >And try to put=
 them in the martini mix. Anybody have >any favorites?=20

Hi Dom,
I'm also a big Swingle Singers fan.  The often-mentioned 'Bacharach Baroq=
ue' by The Renaissance (aka Snuff Garrett) is really superb - lots of wor=
dless vocals, harpsichord - really swinging. =20

Another record which has been recommended to me, but which I've not heard=
, is 'baroque'n'stones'. =20

I would avoid 'the baroque beatles book'; I also wasn't madly keen on the=
 Jacques Loussier and Waldo los Rios albums I picked up over the years.

'The baroque inevitable' is fun though, and on first listen, Lalo Schifri=
n's '....the marquis de Sade' album seems to be great.

Sorry for the lack of artist info for many titles here; these records oft=
en do not seem to have any.

You should also maybe check out the Polish group 'Novi Singers'.  Their '=
novi sings chopin' album is good, although in a quiet way rather than in =
a jazzy swinging way.  Everything else they did is highly recommended - f=
rom wild and jazzy psych stuff (e.g. 'torpedo', and the recent 'go right'=
 compilation on JCR compost records) tnto heavenly bossa nova originals w=
ith vocal harmonies (the album 'Bossa nova', available on a Polish CD).

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:23:12 +0100 (CET)



citerar [e-mail]:

>
> >I=92m nuts about Baroque interpretations.

There are a lot of cheaplabel recordings to be found here with that odd=20
mix of classical music and wordless vocal singing with a sixties beat.=20
One track is hilarious but if you listen to the whole album you want to=20
throw the record out. Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long=20
title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like=20
that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman.=20
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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jill Mingo on Luxuriamusic
Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:36:05 -0500


Hey!

Former list member Jill Mingo is going to be on www.luxuriamusic.com
tomorrow Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:00 PM PST on Jon Hucks show.

Check it out at http://www.luxuriamusic.com/Event_Page?eventID=10257

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:40:12 -0500


DC wrote:
>
>IÆm nuts about Baroque interpretations. Any favorites?

One of the nice sections of the jsbach.org site is an area where you can list out Bach recordings organized by instrument as opposed to performer or piece.
http://jsbach.org/recommendedinstrument.html
Recommended Recordings by Instrument includes such unorthodox categories as:
Accordion
Banjo
Computer
Drums
Electric Bass
Electric Guitar
Koto
Panpipe
Percussion
Saxophone
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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) lies lies lies
Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:48:42 -0500


I was about to ask you guys about a particular record.
Trouble is I found it on ebay and the only way I can ever win anything on
ebay is to be the only one to bid on it.
So I was thinking of saying "Hey my friend saw this record in a store.  Is
it worth it?"
But I figured you guys would just go and look for it on ebay anyway.
So there's this guy who wants at least 20 American dollars for Quincy
Jones' soundtrack to "Deadly Affair".
I never pay $20 unless a record is really really extraordinary.
So, should my friend pay $20 for this.

OH and this other friend of mine saw the soundtrack for Mike Hammer by Skp
Martin.  He was sure that it wasn't the Stacey Keach version but something
much older.  Was he right?

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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered
Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:50:53 -0500



> >>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and >>when?
> >You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral
> >transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s.
>
>
>Actually it was Mendelssohn's 1829 performance of the St. Matthew Passion
>in Berlin that sparked the Bach "rediscovery."  There were other activities
>around that time but the performance was what really pushed it out of
>scholarship and into the mainstream.  Check the Britannica or any music
>history text.
>
I think with Bach by "discovery" we can also mean new ways of playing his
music? People are always doing different things with his music and sometimes
it may be because technology allows us to do new things.

Sorry I'm terrible with names...but there is a CD of the Goldberg Variations
done on guitar. The artist transcribed the music, commissioned the making of
2 guitars especially for this and played both the guitars. Like Bill Evans
on "Conversations with Myself". It's wonderful.

And there is a recording of some of the French Suites done on the accordion!

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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered
Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:00:00 -0800 (PST)


I'm always on the lookout for Stokowski records.  I thrifted a
beautiful Swan Lake act 3 & 4 .  Believe it or not this is my very
favorite lp cover these days.  The nicest shade of green I have
ever seen.  Better than Whipped Cream, even better than Music For
Piece of Mind.  Alas the lp was a a bit scratchy for my snobby must
be perfect classical taste.  I wish I could put up with scratches
on classical as well as I do on exotica or rock.  Maybe its because
I really started listening to classical music when I got my first
cd player.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


--- bigshot <[e-mail]> wrote:You would have to credit
Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral
> transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. In the late
> sixties, Stokowski's transcriptions fell out of favor as music
> snobs championed historical performances, but now conductors like
> Sawallisch, Bamberg and Solonen are rediscovering them and
> presenting them as romantic alternatives to the "HIP" approach.



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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Disappearing Records
Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:14:14 -0500



> Gee, I'm really sorry I asked anyone about their favorite album covers the
other week. I just wanted >to know about some albums to look around for to
see their design, beyond the albums I have, and >the books of album cover
art I have, and on and on and on. I didn't know that my inquisitiveness
>would be so awful for certain readers. Maybe I should keep this in mind and
only ask about things >I am certain NO ONE knows about.

There's no subject that doesn't have at least one listmember who knows
something about it - just ask any question, and you'll soon see... (didn't
The Wire magazine call us a bunch of know-it-alls?)

> Or only talk about things I was really into ten years ago, like Yma Sumac,
so that there's no sense >of the status quo being rocked here. Or keep
totally off topic and bring up things like foot fungus.

Foot stuff is Alan's area of expertise, I believe.  Not necessarily fungus,
but those toenails...

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From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:29:56 +1100


on 14/3/01 12:27 AM, Magnus Sandberg at [e-mail] wrote:

> Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten
> years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought
> that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make
> something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for
> publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it.
> On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal
> pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and
> energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But
> my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced
> it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be.

Magnus,

speaking as somone whose partner has been an illustrator (mainly pen and
ink) for over 15 years and who has in the last year moved wholly to drawing
by hand in Photoshop on the computer I have to disagree.

All her skills as an artist have been transferred and it is certainly not
"easier". Her productivity for commercial work has increased because of the
technology used to deliver roughs and artwork but she still has to imagine
and decide about every detail of the finished work.

Check out the coverart on "Living It Up.." when it comes your way via the
ExoticaRing or visit http://www.noisypics.com if you'd like to see a folio
of some fairly recent Photoshop drawing.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:39:58 +1100


on 14/3/01 9:23 AM, Magnus Sandberg at [e-mail] wrote:

> Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long
> title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like
> that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman.
> Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it?

Yep.

"The Dissection and Reconstruction of Music From the Past as performed by
the inmates of Lalo Schifrins demented ensemble as a tribute to the memory
of the Marquis de Sade" to give it its full title.

also reissued on Verve as "Blues for Johann Sebastian"

BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great
version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle schifrin
Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:59:28 -0500



>Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long
>title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like
>that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman.
>Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it?

I have the CD reissue that came out a few years back. Some people don't
seem to like it, but I do. Cool stuff to my ears.

And I love this bit from Schifrin's liner notes:

"'Aria' was the product of a delirious experience. I was playing at the
piano some fragments of 'Dido and Aeneas,' by the outstanding English
composer, Henry Purcell (1659-1695), while my wife was reading Aztec poetry
in loud voice."

Yep, just another night at the Schifrin homestead.


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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:36:11 +0100




Chuck schrieb:

>
> Mo I also attended a symphony the other night.  Beautiful but it
> was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that
> long.

these coincidences strike me.

> I think we are in some of the best times for modern music
> releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut).  The music scene
> today is as diverse as ever.  Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop,
> Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica,
> breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf.

I still don't quite understand Magnus's hate of the computer. I think tod=
ay the use of it has so much refined that in many cases you don't even re=
cognize the difference between a computer generated track and a hand-play=
ed one. The sounds come from acoustic sources via the sampler. To me this=
 hand-playing is not a holy cow. I don't see a great value in spending ye=
ars of your life just to be able to play a drum set as straight as a comp=
uter. According to this thinking, the use of a washing machine would be a=
 bad thing. Instead of learning to become a machine an artist nowadays ha=
s the freeedom to experiment with all kinds of musical material. Even if =
you always lose something with what you win through progress, an attitude=
 like "it was all better then" seems to pount to a deep dissatisfaction w=
ith progress in general. Of course it's up to magnus what he likes, only =
I'd consider it a pity if he would dispise certain great aspects of today=
's music for the wrong reasons or for reasons not inherent in the music i=
tself.

> And even more amazing in this
> modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the
> whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra.

Plus there is new music even in this field. No, the bright thing about ou=
r dark age is today's music!

>   I guess parking at a
> lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at
> least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't.

It's the romanticism of our generation and I don't see any reason why it =
shouldn't be as "classic", "important" and "valuable" as any classical mu=
sic. I love to listen to music in the car. Maybe even more than at home.


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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:39:11 +0100




Domenic Ciccone schrieb:

> >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when?
>
> Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get toge=
ther
> and go over music that they called =93the lost art=94. They put togethe=
r a
> concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach=
 was
> on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed.

interesting. when was this?

> In a way you could say that Bach was the original =93exotica find=94. A=
 talented
> local artist that was almost forgotten except by family and friends unt=
il
> someone started promoting it.

Exotica I don't know. Retro definitely. the 19th century was entirely ret=
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Subject: Re:  (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 13 Mar 2001 19:11:28 EST



In a message dated 3/13/1 5:16:15 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>You should also maybe check out the Polish group 'Novi Singers'....

yesyesyes

Domenic...add to that "Les Masques"..An anthology of their work is available
at Dusty Groove...They had one track on the "Sexopolis" comp of three years
ago or so called "Il Faut Tenir"...The LP, though boot, is great soft pop
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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 01:31:37 +0100 (CET)



I dont hate the computer!!!! PHOTOSHOP was and is amazing. A PERFECT
SOFTWARE!
I just dont like mechanical music. It seems that I cant make myself
clear at all.

It is a little part of todays music that I just dont like. People are
playing jazz, surf, bossa, mambo, and everything else nice that I would
probably like. I just dont get exposed to it that often because:

I AM EXPOSED TO CRAP!!!!!!!!

when I leave the house. Or on TV, radio etc.

IT EATS ME UP!!!!!!!!!


All my bad ideas about new music comes from this pain. You probably
live in a more romantic environment with clubs restaurants playing good
music. I dont.

I wont mention it again!

I am watching Umbrellas of Cherbourg for the first time, now I wish
that Genevieve would ring on my door and sing something to me. Next
girl I am interested in I shall sing for. Definetely!

Mag


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Subject: (exotica) Bach and other things
Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:59:42 -0800


There is a very interesting article about Bach's late rediscovery here:
http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWarchdisplay.cgi?20000615047R

And about the discussion about lurkers... I'm usually a lurker. I have posted a couple of times but that's it. Only when I am sure no one else knows what I do (which is basically Colombian stuff).

Why is that? Several reasons. One has already been mentioned: there is people here who know a lot and I would feel embarrassed to say something stupid here.

Second, it has to do with the way I enjoy music or knowledge in general. Sometimes I don't like to own things, but just like to know they exist. It feels nice to know that the world is such a big place, full of cool things you haven't heard or known about or seen before. Sometimes I am really claustrophobic when I found out that in this city I live in (Bogotß, aprox pop: 7 million) people tend to run in circles. And you end up in a party chatting with the same guys you went to the nursery with. That's scary for me. And the list is some kind of antidote for that "shrinking world" feeling I get when that happens.

My musical tastes are varied. I like exotica but also some post-rock (Aerial M, Papa M), some pop (Belle & Sebastian), electronic music (isolΘe, rinocerose, Mouse on Mars). And my favorite music in the world right now is being made by Stereo Total. What I like the most about this list is that it isn't only music related. It's also about books and art and movies and architecture and style... that's to say that it talks about life in general.

One of my favorite discussions (certainly brief) was about that guy in the Godard movie that explains that there are two kinds of men in this world. I know it has nothing to do with music, but I think in things like that there lies a big part of the list's charm.

And my favorite filmmaker is Alexander Kluge (one of the advantages of living in the third world: touring films from the Goethe Institut, that are shown over and over again because there is nothing else for the Cineclubs to show)...

It seems to be a little late for introductions, but I just couldn't help it...

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From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) lies lies lies
Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:02:30 -0500


on 3/13/01 5:48 PM, alan  zweig at [e-mail] wrote:


> So there's this guy who wants at least 20 American dollars for Quincy
> Jones' soundtrack to "Deadly Affair".
> I never pay $20 unless a record is really really extraordinary.
> So, should my friend pay $20 for this.

it's nice but not that great, inho. The title track is a cool bossa. But
probably not $20 cool.

> OH and this other friend of mine saw the soundtrack for Mike Hammer by Skp
> Martin.  He was sure that it wasn't the Stacey Keach version but something
> much older.  Was he right?

oh yeah - great crime jazz album. RCA, 1958. West coast recording with all
the usual suspects. Count Basie wrote the title track. The cover is great,
too, and lists the music as "Sounds Of Violence"

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Subject: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Date: 14 Mar 2001 02:05:45 +0100 (CET)




I cried when it ended, not often I do that, and still I thought it was
a happy ending. Bittersweet maybe.
It must be all that bad energy coming out of me lately.

Does the soundtrack LP/CD have vocals, or is it instrumental?

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From: [e-mail] (Clayton Black)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:18:45 EST


--- You wrote:
>More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would
>really be interessted in are:
>
>'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art
>and some nice sounds!

That's one of my favorites.  More than just nice sounds.  Great =
electric
sitar sounds from Bill Plummer!!!
This record got "played out" a lot by some local D.J's and suddenly =
it was
hard to find.  "Everybody" - meaning maybe twenty people - wanted =
it and
they were asking dealers for it and then dealers were looking for =
it and
next thing you know, it's a fifty dollar record.
Somehow ever since I found two copies in Cleveland for a buck each, =
I think
the rush on this record has died down a bit and it's back to being =
a ten
buck record.  But I actually think this is almost worth the big =
money.
Of its type (sui generis?), this is about as good as it gets.
--- end of quote ---

I was in NYC this past Thursday and made a point of stopping in at =
Footlight Records.  I quickly saw that the prices were well beyond =
what I was willing to pay, but just for interest I took a look at =
The Party, which I've wanted for some time.  Thirty bucks.  I'm =
going to continue telling myself that the anticipation of having it =
may be better than having it itself.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Musical Luddite
Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:29:08 EST


--- You wrote:
>To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is =
done=20
>but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn.

Musicianship sure seems to be on the wane right now. Everyone
is focused on musicality.

>Same with music, I dont=20
>care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums.

I detest any synthesizer that is tweaked to sound like an acoustic
instrument. They NEVER sound as good, especially synth strings. =
Blech!
The best synth music is the early stuff where the machine itself =
set
the parameters of the voice. They used the sound of the machine
musically, without trying to make it sound like the musical
equivalent of wood grain contact paper. Whether I hear Yanni or
Peter Gabriel abusing sampling to create tacky pseudo-acoustic
sounds, it all sounds the same to me... fake. Techno music all
sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at
all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. It's time to unplug and
get back to basics.

I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it
possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble.
Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't
have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and
beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to
*being able to play instruments well*.

The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties
were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding
stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time!
Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who
cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it
sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just
sleeping it off.

I'm with you on this one, Magnus...
--- end of quote ---

I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about =
musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno =
and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore?  Magnus may get so much of the =
latter that to him it's no different from Yanni, but I still say =
Ralf and Florian were extraordinarily clever, musicians or not.
Clayton


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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:39:07 -0500


If I'm not mistaken, that one's been reissued on CD (RCA Spain, I think) -
and a lot less than $30.

cheryl


> >'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art
> >and some nice sounds!
>
> I was in NYC this past Thursday and made a point of stopping in at
Footlight Records.  I quickly saw that the prices were well beyond what I
was willing to pay, but just for interest I took a look at The Party, which
I've wanted for some time.  Thirty bucks.  I'm going to continue telling
myself that the anticipation of having it may be better than having it
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Subject: (exotica) More Bach and.... Supersax??
Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:48:20 -0500



>Domenic Ciccone schrieb:
>
> > >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when?
> >
> > Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get
>together
> > and go over music that they called ôthe lost artö. They put together a
> > concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach
>was
> > on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed.
>
>interesting. when was this?
>

IÆm home now so I looked it up: ôThe Bach Readerö (1945) edited by Hans T
David there is a nice section called ôThe Rediscovery of Bachö. (And I see
we have an internet post too) öDevrientÆs account about 1823 where ôAt these
were assembled a select number of the members of the Singakademie who were
desirous to know the difficult works of the old masters. Here we used to
sing what Zelter called ôbristly piecesö of Sebastian Bach who was at that
time considered as an unintelligible musical arithmetician with an
astonishing facility in writing fugues.ö


Its cool that were talking about the vocal groups! And thanks Jimmy and
Jonny D for da tips seems like Dusty's finally going to see my credit card
number...

The Double 6 of Paris is on the mostly maligned Paris Ultra-Lounge comp. But
IÆve heard some of the Ray Charles tribute LP and itÆs a killer.

How about this: ôSupersax & L.A. Voices- The Complete Editionö Got a chance
to borrow this from Joe Slezik at WICN, his show is on SaturdayÆs 12-4PM EST
(www.wicn.org)  3 LPÆs on 2 CDÆs   from the pictures on the front  I gather
itÆs 5 horn players and 5 vocalists, 2 woman and 3 men. Guess you could call
this Swingle Singers meets west-coast vocalese. If you ever see it pick it
up!

Joe told me generally men like Supersax and the woman donÆt.

Domenic
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:53:43 -0500


>  Are there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very
>
> good, and certainly worth the fifty cents or dollar ?

I'm not sure how good these are, but in the last 2 weeks I bought from
thriftstores ten Barbara Streisand albums from her 1960's period, and 5 of the
first 6 Jimmy Buffet albums.

I know that I've seen many of these records individually through the years, and I
guess I've learned to ignore them all this while.  Yet there must be a small part
of me that always wondered 'Gee, maybe there is actually something good about
them that made them so popular'

Part of the reason I bought them was to see if there are any songs I like on
them.  But another reason is that from now on if I ever see another copy of those
records, I can say 'Oh, I already have one of them' and I can feel better about
now passing them by.

There is something about seeing an almost complete collection in one location
that speaks to me.  I was willing to pay $15 for 10 Streisand LPs in one whole
bunch, but I would have never considered paying $1.50 on ten different trips for
10 different Streisand LPs.  It might have to do with a laziness factor .... by
purchasing the entire group at once, you don't have to worry about the 'Now which
of these LPs do I already own?'

It used to be a matter of pride for me that I didn't own any Jimmy Buffet records
...... to me the tropical setting should be rightfully claimed by the late 1950's
exotica pioneers, and not some recent artist who has a large following of yuppie
parrotheads who have never heard of Martin Denny.  But there are a large number
of my (sometimes boring) more mainstream peers who associate tropical drinks with
only Jimmy Buffet.  I think I bought my Buffet records to please the lowest
common denominator among us - so I can now say 'yeah, I own a bunch of Buffet's
albums - mostly his early stuff' and get on their good sides more quickly, rather
than tensing up for my 'Why I hate Buffet' monologue.

Also, I've bought most of the records I own from thriftstores.  I've found lots
of good stuff - duplicate copies of Barbarella soundtrack and the 101 Strings
'Astrosounds from the year 2000'   I've generally passed up on record stores
though, saying that it was hard to justify paying high record store prices for
items I had only paid $1 myself for.

But last week I was in a local used record store ..... and I admired during my
previous visits the elderly store-owner for sticking with his business and
keeping it running and being helpful for everyone who walked in.  So before I
went in the store I told myself "I'm going to buy a few records from this guy
today to show my support", and I didn't mind at all paying $20 for Ann-Margaret's
"Songs from 'The Swinger"  After listening to it, I'm glad I did I did buy it
-there are lots of great songs on it.

But I also like the copy of "Pop! Goes the Westerns" featuring the hand clapping
dance rhythms of Luther Henderson and his orchestra that I got the same day in a
thrift for 50 cents.  It features versions of 'Riders in the Sky' and 'Deep in
the Heart of Texas' as performed for a urban hotel crowd dressed in tuxedos and
finest evening wear.

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Subject: (exotica) Downey = songwriter?
Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:00:26


Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>:

>*the credit for authorship is given to Chantays band
members Carmen and Spickard, I believe.

- --- [e-mail] wrote:

> Downey, ...., composing
> such hit surf-rock songs as ``Pipeline'' and
> ``Wipeout'' in the 1960s.
> (Is this true??? Somehow, I'm doubting it! - Lou)

The songwriting credit for Pipeline is indeed to Bob Spickard and Brian
Charman.
The songwriting credit for "Wipe Out" is to (Surfaris members?) Ron Wilson,
James Fuller, Robert Berryhill and Patrick Connolly.

I was able to look this up in five minutes (in the great book WHO WROTE
THAT SONG? by Dick & Harriet Jacobs). I guess the reporter couldn't be
bothered (and I'm pretty sure you can get this kind of information from the
BMI and ASCAP web sites). Think about that when you read a newspaper!



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From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Downey = songwriter?
Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:31:09 -0500


The latest MDjr obit has modified the claim a bit.
Lou

According to CNN:

Downey, who was the son of popular singer Morton Downey and his
dancer-wife, Barbara Bennett, pursued a number of professions including
businessman, author, radio host, singer and songwriter, composing songs
for small Los Angeles record labels in the early '60s. According to one
story, he composed the surf-rock hits "Pipeline" and "Wipeout," though
credits for those songs do not list him.

At 11:00 PM 3/13/01, jschwart wrote:
>
>
>I was able to look this up in five minutes (in the great book WHO WROTE
>THAT SONG? by Dick & Harriet Jacobs). I guess the reporter couldn't be
>bothered (and I'm pretty sure you can get this kind of information from the
>BMI and ASCAP web sites). Think about that when you read a newspaper!




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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) LA
Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:38:56 -0800


Soooo, I'm sure much of this has been discussed before, but I am going to
L.A. and would like to know what your suggestions are for:

good thrift stores where I can find groovy polyester shirts with loud
patterns and wide lapels

the best places to find vinyl

all and any tiki bars

all and any bars with red vinyl in them  (too bad they can't be smokey
anymore)

any place else groovy-

thanks!!!!

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From: Paul Penna <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite
Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:09:34 -0800


Steve Worth spake:

>The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties
>were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding
>stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time!
>Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who
>cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it
>sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just
>sleeping it off.

Man, you said it. I have a particular thing for minor-label knock-off big
band & percussion albums. For example, "Perspectives in Percussion," two
volumes, recorded by D.L. Miller of 101 Strings fame. Made to be sold
cheap, with re-re-re-pressings eventually winding up in 88-cent record
racks at places like W.T. Grant in the 1960s. But get a load of the talent:
Pete Candoli, Frank Rosolino, Jimmy Rowles, Irv Cottler, to name but a few,
and led by Skip Martin. The cream of the 1950s Hollywood session man crop.

And the sound! Particularly on the reel-to-reel tape versions. I just got a
reel of volume 1 of the above on eBay for the ridiculous price of $5.29
including shipping. The sound almost literally jumps from the speakers. And
for you album cover freaks, the box is covered in embossed silver foil,
with the obligatory Persuasive Percussionesque abstract geometric shapes
printed thereon. This one has a particularly fun "Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen."
Also, I'd never figured on hearing "Red River Valley" as a cha-cha.

Another great knock-off series was the "Salute to... [insert big-name
bandleader]" batch by Maxwell Davis for Crown, another budget label, and
again with top-flight L.A. session men. Once more, the reel-to-reel
versions (either on Crown or Omegatape) sound astonishing. Then there's
Francis Bay, for all you folks who didn't know Belgians could swing.

I'll settle for vinyl, however. Right now I just got finished listening to
"Golden Age of the Dancebands on Broadway," another D.L. Miller production
on his Somerset/Stereo Fidelity label. No personnel listed, unfortunately,
but they're obviously of similar calibre. All for a measly 99 cents at my
local used record emporium, where the same price got me "Spike Jones New
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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) LA
Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:47:43 -0800


Hey thanks!!!! this rocks and will help me in my quest.
> Hi Christine,
>
> The best thing you could do for yourself is pick up a copy of "LA Bizarro" by
> Matt Maranian and Anthony Lovett. This has got more great sightseeing,
> shopping, and tiki bar listings per page than any other resource I know of. If
> you don't have time to order it off of Amazon, you can probably find a copy at
> better bookstores in your area.
>
>> good thrift stores where I can find groovy polyester shirts with loud
>> patterns and wide lapels
>
> Hidden Treasures in Topanga Canyon has the best all-around selection of
> polyester gear. There are also lots of retro-boutiques on Melrose.
>
>> all and any tiki bars
>
> I think that Trader Vic's in Beverly Hills is the penultimate, and you should
> definitely check out the Bahooka in Rosemead for completely whacked out drinks
> and decor. Tiki Ti on Hollywood Blvd and the Lava Lounge are also worth a stop
> if you have the time.
>
>> all and any bars with red vinyl in them
>
> Musso and Frank's Grill and the Formosa in Hollyweird.
> Bob Burns in Santa Monica
>
>> any place else groovy
>
> Hang out in the Melrose/Silverlake area for a tremendous variety of art
> galleries, fusion cuisine, weird shops, and retro-furniture stores. Expect to
> pay top dollah for everything tho'. The last time I was there I spotted a
> lime-green Eames chair for $600!
>
> Make a point of going to the LA International Airport to eat and drink at The
> Encounter Restaurant. Be sure to go at night to see all the lights...pretty,
> pretty lights...ooh!
>
> Have fun!
>
> --
> Matt Marchese
> "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a
> nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate)
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
>



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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) LA
Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:50:52 -0800


on 3/13/01 9:30 PM, Kevin Crossman at [e-mail] wrote:

Thanks!! This will be also very helpful.  I will try to have a good report.

Christine


> Christine Karkow wrote:
>> the best places to find vinyl
> DB Cooper's in Burbank was ok.
>
>> all and any tiki bars
>
> Check the Mai Tai site: http://www.kevdo.com/maitai/ (check by Geography)
>
> -Kevin



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From: kendoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:26:22 -0700


[e-mail] wrote:

> There is something about seeing an almost complete collection in one location
> that speaks to me.  I was willing to pay $15 for 10 Streisand LPs in one whole
> bunch, but I would have never considered paying $1.50 on ten different trips for
> 10 different Streisand LPs.

i too have bought records i would normally pass over just because they
were part of what was obviously one person's collection. somehow bob
dylan has never meant much to me but one time i bought seven early dylan
albums just because they were all together in one place in the thrift
store. the really great thing was that in this collection of real dylan
records was a an easy listening record of dylan covers by the golden
gate strings. i can only guess that the person bought the record because
it had a big, beautiful photo of their hero on the cover. as it turns
out, the only record in the lot i ever listen to is the one by the
golden gate strings (i especially like their country hoedown take on
"mr. tambourine man").

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 14 Mar 2001 02:28:34 -0500


At 10:39 AM 3/14/01 +1100, Philip Jackson wrote:
>
>BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great
>version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else.

I guess they were like the french Lambert Hendricks and Ross only better, I
would say. I had two great records by them.  One of them was produced by
Quincy Jones.
Their approach, material, arrangements etc were all much closer to "jazz"
than any similar group like the Hi-Lo's or L,H and R.
They were so good, they were almost too good.

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The Problem with Machines
Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:40:50 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:36:11 +0100
>From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
>
>I still don't quite understand Magnus's hate of the computer.

I don't want to speak for him, but I think I understand where he
is coming from... I feel the same way. I don't hate the computer.
I hate people who use it as a crutch to avoid developing a skill.
It's like when desktop publishing came in, and everyone was doing
hideously designed stuff with chrome plated letters with beveled
edges and glossy highlights on everything. Every layout screamed
"I have a computer!" None of it was half as good as what REAL
designers were doing.

When I hear a song based on a sampled riff, it only makes me want
to hear the source material. The creativity of chopping up someone
else's work and slapping your own name on it is lost on me. It's
musical vampirism as far as I'm concerned. Sit down and make your
own goddamn riff! Every time I hear that friggin Prez Prado
ripoff on the radio, my blood boils. I want to wring that idiot's
neck for cashing in on a REAL musician's work. Prado's version
is a gazillion times better that that stupid loop. The fact that
Prado's single phrase is able to be repeated so many times says
a lot more for his musicianship and musicality than it does for
the sampling monkey.

There is no computer shortcut to creativity. You can use the
computer as a tool, but you still have to put in the dues and
learn the skills needed. A lot of people in my business
(animation) learn computer programs like Flash before they
can DRAW! That is just plain bass ackwards.

I don't see a lot of real craftsmanship in music right now.
There are isolated musicians who are really talented and have
studied and perfected their art. But the majority are all
image and no substance. It's depressing when you have a
clear understanding of where music came from. It has been
a steady slide downward since the early 60s. Just listen
to film music now. Dmitri Tiompkin and the Warner Symphony
Orchestra has been replaced by some ultra-hip jerk with a
two tone haircut and a synthesizer that spits out drones
to any length necessary.

Back in the 30s, 40s and 50s, music *WAS* live performance.
If you weren't good standing on a stage playing your
instrument, you got booed off stage and someone better
replaced you. The musicians honed their chops with week
after week of performance. They were REALLY GOOD at what
they did. Even the C string players then had more chops
than the A string musicians do now.

Now you have a guy in front of a computer chopping up his
music note by note to assemble a passable performance. Hand
them a guitar and ask them to play and they won't sound any
better than the kid in the garage next door. Music should be
spontaneous and expressive. You don't get that kind of sound
by programming a computer to play for you.

The more I hear of old music, the more convinced I am that
we have thrown out the baby and saved the bathwater. Until
musicians start focusing on things that count instead of
new technologies to allow them to crank out MORE mediocrity,
I will stick with records from the past. There is an incredibly
rich heritage there... more good stuff than I can possibly
listen to in my lifetime. (But I'm sure as hell gonna try
to listen to all of it!)

See ya
Steve

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday
Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:40:52 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about =
>musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno =
>and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore?

As much as I like them both too, yes. They are a pale shadow of the
musicians of the past. Their intellectual cleverness *almost* makes up
for their lack of chops. But Brian Eno ain't no Duke Ellington and
Kraftwerk can't hold a candle to Nelson Riddle. It's like the difference
between an ice cube and a roaring flame. I know they are two different
animals, but you can still make a judgement based on the relative skill
involved and the impact the music makes.

Since the 60's all of the arts have moved away from craftsmanship in
favor of "concepts". I prefer to have both. Older music has that. Just
listen to Billie Holiday singing Strange Fruit and then listen to Eno's
Sombre Reptiles. They are both unique sounds and create weird moods.
The difference is that Billie Holiday is REAL. Her effortless delivery
belies real skill. The combination of heartfelt sincerity, prodigeous
talent and consumate skill packs a whallop that Eno's clinical
detachment and "oblique strategies" could never hope to match.

This sort of manifesto strays a long way from the field of "so bad
it's good" commercialized pop and goofy pseudo-foreign sounding
ping pong stereo records that normally fall into the "lounge"
category. I hope I'm not getting too far from the subject.

See ya
Steve

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:44:58 +0100


Do you know "Les Demoiselles the Rochefort"? If not, you have to see that too!

Mo

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach and other things
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:45:02 +0100




[e-mail] schrieb:

> Sometimes I am really claustrophobic when I found out that in this city=
 I live in (Bogot=E1, aprox pop: 7 million) people tend to run in circles=
. And you end up in a party chatting with the same guys you went to the n=
ursery with. That's scary for me. And the list is some kind of antidote f=
or that "shrinking world" feeling I get when that happens.

this list is full of paranoids, so welcome, brother. As you live in Bogot=
a, you possibly have access to a local music scene that nobody else on th=
is list could ever cover, so I would like to encourage you to report abou=
t things happening there, whenever you like. You will face no competition=
 by people who "know more", or something.

Mo

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the problem with machines
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:58:05 +0100


I liked your manifesto for the real artist. I really do not deny craftmanship and skills. My only remark would be, that you shouldn't overlook the innovations that happen. To be able to deal with samples is a skill of its own and some people are better in it than others. It's just a new technology and has nothing to do with being able to tell the good from the bad and or achieving a craftmanship or making interesting music. The computer is a development unlike any other in history and will definitely change our understanding of things like craftmanship, learning and copyright.

Mo
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) glass organs
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:05:45 -0000


Someone mentioned that Mozart amongst others wrote for the Glass Organ,
what did he write?  Is it available at all?

cheers

El Maestro Con Queso

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From: "James" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sv: (exotica) glass organs
Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:43:06 +0100


There is on I know of: "Music For Glass Harmonica" on the US based "Vox
Unique" label featuring Bruno Hoffmann on the
Glass Harmonica. Perhaps he is to Glass Harmonicas what Samuel J. Hoffmann
was to theremins?
The Cd features works of Mozart and a few other German composers


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From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) KPM - prices!
Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:04:24 -0000


An insatiable love of cosmic organ grooves has finally brought me to the
point
where I'm actually considering buying original KPM LPs - but the prices man!
Unbelievable.

But just the thought of getting my hands on more Mansfield/ Hawkshaw tunes
is enough to
send me prowling around ebay for these lps.

However, I'll just have to make do with the compilations (Sound Gallery,
Blow Up - exclusive blend
series, etc.). Any more organ groove recommendations?

One I missed out on though was the KPM soundclash LP - I think it may have
been deleted.
Would anyone know if there's a copy on sale anywhere? I saw a copy for sale
on Ebay but it
went for over ú50!!! Or is that the price that list members would expect to
pay for that KPM reissue?

Also, some of the list members have been talking about the film Smashing
Time. Does anyone know
if it's available on PAL? I think it's on DVD (but I don't have a DVD yet!)

Big thanks in advance

Paul



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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach and other things
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:01:43 +0100 (CET)



citerar Moritz R <[e-mail]>:

> this list is full of paranoids, so welcome, brother. As you live in
Bogota,
> you possibly have access to a local music scene that nobody else on
this
> list could ever cover, so I would like to encourage you to report
about
> things happening there, whenever you like. You will face no
competition by
> people who "know more", or something.



I agree with Mo, I want to know everything about Bogota! Go ahead and
post.

Paranoid Magnus



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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Vinnie Bell and his "super electric" guitar
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:28:35 +0100 (CET)




That underwater sounds that Vincent Bell has on Moon gas, on "maid of
the moon" it sounds like he is saying "Hello" on it, I love that sound,
it makes the LP so wonderful. I have three records with him, Popgoes
the electric sitar and "greatest hits of" which is a reissue of an
earlier LP. It has that underwater sound too on some of the tracks.
Then there is the Airport love theme LP. Do I miss something else?


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers
Date: 14 Mar 2001 08:40:13 EST


In a message dated 3/14/01 2:26:56 AM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< >BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great
 >version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else.

 I guess they were like the french Lambert Hendricks and Ross only better, I
 would say. I had two great records by them.  One of them was produced by
 Quincy Jones.
 Their approach, material, arrangements etc were all much closer to "jazz"
 than any similar group like the Hi-Lo's or L,H and R.
 They were so good, they were almost too good. >>


I got that Double Six CD and I must admit after about 6 songs I want to go
postal.

ashley


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Subject: Re: (exotica) The Problem with Machines
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:37:54 -0500


>The creativity of chopping up someone else's work and slapping your >own name on it is lost on me.

Much of this may not be creative but some sampled work requires a great amount of talent, skill and work: people such as John Oswald, Otomo Yoshihide, John Wall, RZA, DJ Shadow, etc.  Whether or not the resulting music is good or bad is a completely separate question as is whether originality should be considered a virtue (an idea that's only developed over the past two or three centuries).


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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:46:48 -0500



>> I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about =
>> musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno =
>> and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore?
>
> As much as I like them both too, yes. They are a pale shadow of the
> musicians of the past. Their intellectual cleverness *almost* makes up
> for their lack of chops. But Brian Eno ain't no Duke Ellington and
> Kraftwerk can't hold a candle to Nelson Riddle.

I can agree with this.  But I'm thankful that I can have both.  I see from a
note that I missed the first time around (or perhaps read differently the
first time) that your rant (and Magnus's) is primarily against those who use
artificial means for what they ought to be doing themselves (drum machines,
etc.), and it seems to me that Eno et al are doing something
different--musicianship isn't really their point (although that can be a
slippery slope of argumentation).  The older generations clearly win hands
down on skill.  I'd say that another lamentable loss is the disappearance of
the songwriter.  No more are the Cole Porters, Irving Berlins, Jerome Kerns,
etc.  Everybody's got to be their own songwriter, and frankly, VERY few of
them even approach genuine skill in that category.  I'd rather listen to
"Night and Day" a hundred different ways, each with its own subtleties, than
the broad assortment of mediocre "singer-songwriters" that vie for
popularity today.  Having said that, I don't mean to suggest, following up
on the earlier thread, that I don't think there's anything good happening
now.
    By the way, without being too schizophrenic, does anybody have "Death by
Chocolate" available at http://jetset.sinner.com/ ?  I downloaded the clip
from the site and loved it.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:51:49 -0500


Aw, come on, Mo. You complain about Magnus dismissing machine music, but
then you dismiss live music as impractical and old fashioned. Are you just
trolling for reactions now?

Even if people do play near-perfect, they still don't sound like machines.
And the better musicians are the ones who also inject incalculable
expressiveness into their playing.

I could get into a lot of issues here, but then the server would probably
bounce my post. I'll just limit it to this point. "Fabricated" pieces of
music are inert objects, like paintings or sculptures. This is not a point
for dismissal... paintings and sculptures are fine things, and fabricated
music can be too. "Live music" on the other hand, always has an element of
danger, and even a ritual aspect. Every time a piece is performed, it's a
resurrection of the initial creation. It's never exactly the same, and
there's always the possibility of a zig or a zag (and don't forget free
improv).

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From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) those bossa comps someone asked about a while back...
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:23:53 +0000


Someone was asking about these compilations (the series with the
body-painted women on the covers):


VARIOUS "The Bossa Nova Exciting Jazz Samba Rhythms Vol. 4 - The Rare
Tunes
Collection" ***1/2
lp/cd - 2000 - Rare Groove / Tutti Frutti / Food For Fantasy (RG2009) -
53'16" (lp) / 72'30" (cd)

"Conceived & selected by Philippe Renault Jr for the talented
listeners!"
it says. And indeed, volume 4 is once again lovely, bringing groovy
Brazilian bossa-samba jazz by the likes of Adderley, Donato, Jobim,
Mendes,
Peterson or Wanderley, and by lesser-known acts such as os 6 em Ponto,
G/9
Group, os Copa Vips, Quarteto Novo, Bossa Tres [= trΦs groovy] or the
Billy
Mitchell Quintet. There's no _bomb_ here like there was on the first
volume
(Odell Brown & the Organizers' ****1/2 long workout of "Mas que nada"),
but
the album swings throughout with lesser-known titles or surprising
covers
of classic titles. As usual, the cd contains extra tracks: Donald Byrd's
"(Canto) Bossa", Dave Pike's "Sausalito" and Stan Getz & Laurindo
Almeida's
version of "Corcovado". At least one more volume is projected in this
Italian series which presents the perfect 'next step' for those who want
to
explore classic bossa nova & samba a bit further than the perennially
obvious major label compilations allow them to (e.g. the ones on
Verve)...
though there's always still that sublime "Brazilian Beats" v/a
compilation
on Mr. Bongo (a second volume of which is to be released soon). (pv)


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From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:56:38 -0500


> I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff and
the definition of good stuff has been expanded due to ebayazation.
Now good stuff includes lots of exotica and soundtracks or just any
cool cover.   Really I believe that is why Elvis and the Beatles
never appear in thrifts unless you go through the box that is
dropped off before the thrift store employees do.

There is no question about it.  THe last used record salesman I spoke =
with
operates at a seasonal outdoor flea market.  One batch he paid $50 for
included over 20 Beatles and Elvis records which he *promptly* put up =
on
ebay.  They never even made it to his *own* used bins.  Others that he
pulled out were some of our favorites, like Keely Smith, which got a =
stiff
price tag before goin into the bins. =20

I am convinced that the only good way left to get records is to go into =
the
antique business and scour through astate sales. =20

=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=
=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20
Charlieman=20
"Everything that can be invented, has been invented."
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0
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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Vinnie Bell and his "super electric" guitar
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:59:34 -0500



> That underwater sounds that Vincent Bell has on Moon gas, on "maid of
> the moon" it sounds like he is saying "Hello" on it, I love that sound,
> it makes the LP so wonderful. I have three records with him, Popgoes
> the electric sitar and "greatest hits of" which is a reissue of an
> earlier LP. It has that underwater sound too on some of the tracks.
> Then there is the Airport love theme LP. Do I miss something else?


The interview with Ferrante and Teicher on Luxuria.com this past Monday
featured a track with Vinnie Bell that was great (I can't remember which
one, maybe theme to Midnight Cowboy or Clockwork Orange?).  Apparently he
shows up on a lot of their stuff.  By the way, thanks to Millionaire for
that interview.  Of course, having set aside that half-hour to listen, it
would have to happen that two students stopped by "just to chat"--and this
is Spring Break!  I tried to be nice as I shooed them out of my office.  I'm
committed to my students, but some things take priority.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg / Demoiselles de Rochefort
Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:06:59 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> citerar Moritz R <[e-mail]>:
>
> > Do you know "Les Demoiselles the Rochefort"? If not, you have to see =
that too!

> Is that also sung? Thanks, I was aware of it, now I regret not buying
> the soundtracks, when seeing them before.

yes, it's a musical too. But you've gotta SEE it. Catherine Deneuve plays=
 in it and her older sister Fran=E7oise Dorl=E9ac, who is even more beaut=
iful, and who died in a car crash that same year the film was made. The d=
irector filmed on location in a small village in France, but painted enti=
re streets, so everything looks really bright and colorful. A highlight o=
f European culture of the 20th century.


Mo
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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) LA
Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:08:48 +0100




BARS (all in Los Feliz, Silverlake):
Tiki Ti
Good Luck Bar
Dresden Room
Big Foot Lodge

Check out Stores near and further up from the Dresden

Also:
Mex Restaurants:
Mexico City
El Chavo's

Polynesian:
Daimon's in Glendale on Brand Blvd.

Fleamarkets:
Every 2nd Sunday at THE ROSEBOWL in Pasadena
Every 1st Sunday at Pasadena City College, Huge Vinyl section on the side


Mo


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From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:59:20 -0500


Steve wrote:
>  Techno music all
>sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at
>all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. [...]
>I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it
>possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble.

I wonder if a bit of a backlash isn't underway already. . .

A while back, a friend gave me a ticket to a Medeski, Martin & Wood
show. Beforehand, I did not know a thing about them, other than that
Medeski had played some Hammond with Marc Ribot. I had the impression
they were brainy NYC jazzbos or something.

I was a bit startled to arrive at the theater and discover a wild
neo-deadhead pagan scene underway--where I was a good 20 years older
than the average. The show started, and the entire crowd stood up in
their seats and began dreamily nodding to the music, and stayed that
way for the whole two hours. In terms of musicianship, M,M,W are very
tight and unafraid to take things in quirky directions--but
stylistically. . . Eep! It sounded like an early-70s flashback to me:
Long R&B-ish jamming, meandering solos, etc. (Cool vintage keyboard
sounds, though.)

I was starting to freak out, thinking that I REALLY did not belong at
this show--until the insight slapped me upside the head, that all the
twentysomethings around me had grown up heard nothing but grunge, rap
and techno. For them, a long meandering live solo was something novel
and exciting. I immediately chilled out--and ended up rather enjoying
the show, at least in the sense of being grateful to experience the
whole scene.

So there's one "anti-mechanical" group who has found a following. . .

cheers,

  --Ross

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:21:37 +0100




"m.ace" schrieb:

> You complain about Magnus dismissing machine music, but
> then you dismiss live music as impractical and old fashioned.

did I?

> "Live music" on the other hand, always has an element of
> danger, and even a ritual aspect.

I can sign this statement...

what's the point i this discussion? I'm certainly not arguing about personal taste. I think it's a pity if some dismisses anything new, just because computers were used to create it. To me this has nothing to do with the quality of the music, nor with craftmanship of the producers. Even old handplayed music can sound dull and soulless. the entire thread started with the explicit statements "music was better then than now" and someone had to disagree...


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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday
Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:19:36 -0500


>The older generations clearly win hands down on skill.

Your points were true enough but I'm not sure this one completely is.  Sure the cool thing about 50s/60s "easy listening" music was that much of it was made by skilled big band vets who kept it from pure schlock (at least sometimes).  But classical music critics have been complaining for years that the general level of musical skill has increased to previously unimagined levels though at the expense of personality and imagination.  There's enough recorded evidence to back them up (though there are some great descriptions of professional 19th century Italian orchestras so inept that they sound like the Portsmouth Sinfonia).  Lately jazz critics and older musicians have made the same argument, saying that the numerous young musicians are technical demons but don't have much individuality.


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From: "Wayno" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Unexpected Tipsy encounter in Las Vegas
Date: 14 Mar 2001 08:06:40 -0800



I recently spent a weekend in Las Vegas, and attended a Disney-fied
topless revue called "Midnight Fantasies" at the Luxor Hotel
(that monstrous glass pyramid thing).

The show included an overbearing female singer (performing with
prerecorded music), a lame impressionist and an even lamer comedian
(who told tired "I hate airlines" jokes with the occasional cuss
word thrown in for that "sophisticated" edge). Although the dancers
were often sans-brassiere, they were less sexy than a random
rerun of the June Taylor Dancers from the Jackie Gleason show.

The music was a predictable mix of hits of the day: Madonna tunes,
"Who Let The Dogs Out," one of any interchangable contemporary
country numbers, etc.

I was roused from my slumber when, near the end of the interminable
hour, the sound system started blasting Tipsy's "Space Golf!"
It sounded a bit different from the album version, so I'm guessing
it must have been the single mix.

This unexpected interlude only added to the surreal experience
that is Las Vegas.

Back on familiar turf,

Wayno

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Subject: (exotica) Re: Vinnie Bell, DL Miller
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:09:53 -0500 (EST)


D.L. Miller productions-

I have a couple of interesting UK issue LPs by 'the super guitar of lightnin red' which are DL Miller productions.  They are from the early 70s, and are self-conciously funky and twangy.  They can get a bit much, but there are some great cuts ('caravan', 'america').  Some have a very vinnie-bell type sound, but I don't think the playing is good enough to be him.

Regarding Vinnie Bell, I found the 'airport love theme' record recently and love it.

I have his 1964 (?) LP'whistle stop' on Verve.  It is an odd LP.  Produced by Claus Ogerman, but to me sounds very rock'n'roll, 50s- influenced, as opposed to the great string sound I love in later albums Ogerman produced.  Not really recommended.
But I would like to recommend an extremely obscure Vinnie Bell recording, which I have harped on about intermittently for years.  Credited as 'the exotic guitars' (but NOT the same 'exotic guitars' which later released several albums on Ranwood), Vinnie Bell contributes 4 self-written instrumental tracks to an early 60s budget label Platters LP on Guest Star records.
Two of them are quite amazingly brilliant - one is a hawaiian-exotic cut and the other is a catchy uptempo latin-sounding number.
This LP is by the Platters, and is called 'Only you'; it pops up on ebay now and then, and can generally be had for $2 or so.


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From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:15:11 -0500


on 3/14/01 9:59 AM, Ross Orr at [e-mail] wrote:

>  . . Eep! It sounded like an early-70s flashback to me:
> Long R&B-ish jamming, meandering solos, etc. (Cool vintage keyboard
> sounds, though.)
 > ......For them, a long meandering live solo was something novel
> and exciting.
> So there's one "anti-mechanical" group who has found a following. . .

There's actually a very large following for this type of scene right now. A
lot of these bands have played at the club I've been involved with and they
continually sell out at around 300 patrons. This 'jam band' style comes out
of the whole Grateful Dead/Phish phenomenon, but now stretches through the
jazz of MM&W, the live techno of The New Deal, the trip hop/rap style of DJ
Logic, the Zappa-jam sounds of Ike Willis, and more. The audience for this
scene is young: 18-25, and very much fueled by Ecstasy, acid and weed (the
bar sells very little liqour when these acts play, but lots of water and Red
Bull)

It's all pretty fusion sounding to me, too, and not to my taste. But it's
true that these styles are popular with a crowd that was not alive (or in
diapers) when they first appeared, just like styles in the rock sound (like
punk, metal and noise rock) that keep reappearing with/for a new generation.

But the audience for all these styles pales in comparison with the 2 most
popular musical forms for young people today - hip hop and
trance/progressive house, which are what really puts bodies in clubs right
now. (here in Boston for example, Medeski Martin and Wood will sell out a
1500 capacity room, while Ministry of Sound DJ Judge Jules will sell out a
3000 capacity room, both at around $25 a ticket)

Keep in mind I'm speaking only in terms of ticket sales/popularity and not
artistic merit in all of the above.

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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Go ahead and post.
Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:54:57 -0600


Manuel,
I was a lurker for a long time..because I knew what I liked, but I
knew NOTHING about it.  These people are knowlegeable, they can
answer ANY question you ask.  It's great.  I, too, would like to hear
about Bogata.
BTW, I am curious as to how people found this list...anyone care to
respond?


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From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR"
Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:12:55 +0100


>From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
>  She shipped it in a flimsy cardboard postal box.


    correct me if i'm wrong, listee eBay sellers should know
this, but one eBay seller once told me "they get their LP boxes for
free"... from eBay? i don't know, but this is what that seller wrote:

"I PREFER A US MAILING.   IT IS 4.00 PRIORITY AND WE GET THE BOXES FREE.
OVERSEAS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MATERIALS ..."

    maybe that explains that flimsy cardboard postal box?

         Johan

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From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks
Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:08:35 +0100


>Brad Bigelow wrote:

>And I'll put in another plug for "Two Sides of Fred Waring."
>Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though.

    here's another -- well, sort of -- good one:

    Uncle Lumpey, with Fred Waring and the Pennsylvanians:
    "The Adventures of Little Orley in story and song"
    LP, Vocalion VL 73737 simulated stereo, USA, 1960s

    Great kiddie record: wacky stories with lots of funny sounds,
    (and good backing music, if i remember well)

         Johan

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From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:23:22


>But classical music critics have been complaining for years that the
>general level of musical skill has increased to previously unimagined
>levels though at the expense of personality and imagination.>

So why do I keep hearing mistakes and shoddy timing? Not to mention
orchestra members playing electroacoustic music being too arrogant to
realise that they are responsible for the sound produced and therefore
should really do proper soundchecks...
Frank Zappa was disgusted with the lack of professionalism he encountered in
chamber orchestras, obviously he didn't have that problem with Pierre Boulez
led orchestras.
Also anyone who has tried to play pop music with classical musicians will be
aware of how comically inept they can be if they don't have dots on paper in
front of them.

snotilly,
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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Butterfly Joe in Baltimore
Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:28:13 -0500


Butterfly Joe is playing Baltimore this Friday night. The secret love-child
of Lee Hazlewood and Jonathan Richman. Or is that Jimmy Webb and Daniel
Johnston?

At The Otto Bar, 203 Davis St., Baltimore MD
Phone: [phone]

They are not the headliners and don't yet know who else is on the bill.
Ain't life grand.

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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Don't Get me Started on Vocal Groups ....
Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:48:55 -0600


Double Six of Paris -- five stars, especially their Ray Charles album!

Anything Christiane Legrand (Michel's sister) was involved in is worth
checking out:
Les Blue Stars (pre Double 6)--just got the "Jazz in Paris" CD from Dusty
Groove.  Four cuts with Christiane and Blossom Dearie.
Swingle Singers (post-Double 6)--although a little bit goes a long way
Quire--very hard to find but worth it

Scandinavian groups:
The Gimmicks--imitation Sergio Mendes/Brasil 66 to my ears, but at least
there are tunes SM/B66 didn't do
Gals and Pals--sorta Double 6 like, but they also have a fine Bacharach album
The Monn Keys--rare "Dreamsville" LP on Omega

Latin:
The Brothers Castro--2 Lps on Capitol, "Latin and Hip" is a serious vocal
jazz classic, with Walter Castro's beautiful tenor
The Amigos (also listed as "The Four Amigos")
Los Vegas
and this just in, Los Zafiros, a Cuban doo-wop/vocal jazz group with a
compilation CD out on Nonesuch ("Bossa Cubana")

US:
The Skipjacks (with a young Stella Stevens)--backed up Esquivel on his
Christmas half-LP
The Signatures--led by Bob Alcivar, who did a huge chunk of vocal
arrangement work in the 60s
The Hal Dickinson Singers (actually the Pied Pipers under an alias)--nice
LP on Philips with Johnny Hamlin
Dave Pell--Jazz Voice in Video on Liberty, sampled in the Ultra Lounge series
The Smart Set on Warner Brothers
The Axidentals--with Kai Winding on ABC
The John La Salle Quartet--with Marlene ver Planck--also found on Ultra Lounge
The Bill Gannon 3--anyone remember him from "What's My Line?"
Group I--Great, great, great LP of Mancini covers--"The Brothers Go to
Mothers--and Others!"
The Eligibles--I think these guys were the real inspiration for the musical
revue, "The Four Plaids"
Alan Copeland Singers--remembered from the Red Skelton Show (anyone?  anyone?)
Singers Unlimited, of course, but for me, like the Swingles, best in small
doses

and many, many more ...

Brad



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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR"
Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:54:25 -0500


The U.S Postal Service provides free mailing supplies (boxes, labels, tape,
etc.)  for its Priority Mail Service ($3.50 for up to 1 lb., $3.95 for up to
2 lbs.) This service can only be used within the United States.

The Priority Mail boxes can be used for safely shipping record albums, but
they require special preparation and additional padding/cushioning for the
records. Basically, the large-size box is left unassembled and flat, the
albums are wrapped in several layers of paper or bubble wrap, and pieces of
corrugated cardboard are added as stiffeners and additional impact
protection. The album is inserted into the flat package, the end flaps are
securely taped, and the entire package ends up resembling a large flat
cardboard sandwich, with the record safely between the slices of cardboard.
If done correctly, these packages can be just as safe as custom LP mailer
cartons, if not more so. You cannot just jam an album into an assembled box
and expect it to arrive without damage.

Regards,

Larry

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:13 AM

    correct me if i'm wrong, listee eBay sellers should know
this, but one eBay seller once told me "they get their LP boxes for
free"... from eBay? i don't know, but this is what that seller wrote:

"I PREFER A US MAILING.   IT IS 4.00 PRIORITY AND WE GET THE BOXES FREE.
OVERSEAS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MATERIALS ..."

    maybe that explains that flimsy cardboard postal box?

         Johan


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From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday
Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:59:45 -0500



>Also anyone who has tried to play pop music with classical musicians will
>be aware of how comically inept they can be if they don't have dots on
>paper in front of them.

...and if they do?  Listen to the wonderfully ham-fisted "Slide, Boy,
Slide" on the original "House of Flowers".  It swings with the ease of Pat
Boone covering Lambert, Hendricks or Ross.

Actually, on the Schickele Mix, he played two versions of "Single Petal of
a Rose" and asked which was the classical musician and which was Duke
Ellington and it was quite obvious.  Ellington has the perhaps unfair
advantage of interpreting his own work, but the other version sounded like
an etude; almost no emotion at all.

Musicians if they do their homework and have the talent, should be able to
play anything.  For example, Johnny Otis is Greek by descent, but he
decided to play Jazz and Rhythm and Blues and does so quite well, but he
did his homework.

That cat was going "do-do-dweee, shooby...",
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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:53:18 -0800


on 3/5/01 11:18 AM, Nathan Miner at [e-mail] wrote:
Well, I listen to Lenny Dee when I do the dishes.  Its "normal" to me.  And,
a funny note, I used to hate Lenny Dee when I was little and my parents
played it.  I even went so far as to take my dad's label maker (remember
those old red labels with the raised white type?) and wrote "Bad Music" and
put it on the LP that I now own.  I guess I have grown up to see the light.

christine
>
> And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, I'm
> lost I tell ya.......!! :-)
>
> - Nate



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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:19:34 -0500



> > You complain about Magnus dismissing machine music, but
> > then you dismiss live music as impractical and old fashioned.
>
>did I?

Well, that was the implication I took from:

 >I don't see a great value in spending years of your life just to
 >be able to play a drum set as straight as a computer.
 >According to this thinking, the use of a washing machine
 >would be a bad thing.

But if that wasn't what you meant, never mind.

(Of course, a drummer working with that sole goal would be wrong. The idea
is more to achieve precision so that you can then play around with time.)

>what's the point in this discussion?

Uuuuh, I think it's the usual exoticalist drift.  ^_-  We start off at
Point A and wind up at Point .39148378

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The crackling sound from a contracting aluminium dome
Date: 14 Mar 2001 20:23:25 +0100 (CET)



It says on the backcover on Taboo vol 2 that the odd noises you hear on
some tracks on the album are noises from the dome itself when the sun
sets and the metal contracts due to the lesser heat. I can hear odd
sounds on Hi Lili Hi LO, is it it? To me it sounds like tiki is
commenting the current 'masterpiece in progress' in person. What a
great album, just got my own copy today. I am a huge fan of Arthur
Lyman. To know that he just some weeks ago according to Kevin,
performed Love Dance (which is featured on this album) makes it even
more fascinating.



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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:34:55 -0500




> From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:53:18 -0800
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
>
> on 3/5/01 11:18 AM, Nathan Miner at [e-mail] wrote:
> Well, I listen to Lenny Dee when I do the dishes.  Its "normal" to me.  And,
> a funny note, I used to hate Lenny Dee when I was little and my parents
> played it.  I even went so far as to take my dad's label maker (remember
> those old red labels with the raised white type?) and wrote "Bad Music" and
> put it on the LP that I now own.  I guess I have grown up to see the light.
>
> christine
>>
>> And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, I'm
>> lost I tell ya.......!! :-)
>>
>> - Nate

I'm glad to see the subject of Lenny Dee come up--he's just such a bizarre
figure.  "My Favorite Things" was one of the first albums of his that I
bought, and it's still one of my favorites.  But it was in that period of
transition to watered-down electronic versions of current pop.  I don't
particularly like "Easy Come, Easy Go" or the other late albums, but the
early stuff is incomparable.  The biography of him at Space Age Pop (which
doesn't seem to be up at the moment?) is nice, but I'd love to read a
full-length book on him.  It's not that I like him more than other artists.
In fact, I often find his off-the-wall takes on tunes (especially the
various "Rags") hard to listen to.  But there just doesn't seem to be
anybody at all like him.  I've read in several places that he had his own
restaurant in Florida (St. Pete?)--is it long gone?  Did anybody on the list
ever visit it?  I saw that Lenny wrote the foreword to a book on album
covers, so I take it he's still kicking?
    If Lenny Dee works well for washing dishes and paying bills, I wonder
how he'll be for grading papers--guess I'll give it a try.

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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Demoiselles de Rochefort (spoiler)
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:45:23 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Moritz R
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:07 AM

> yes, it's a musical too. But you've gotta SEE it. Catherine
> Deneuve plays in it and her older sister Fran=E7oise Dorl=E9ac, who
> is even more beautiful, and who died in a car crash that same
> year the film was made.

I've never really liked musicals, but both Demy films (and "Singin' in th=
e
Rain") are testimonies to the sheer joy of filmmaking (and song, and danc=
e,
and music -- that Legrand's a genius). Any recommendations to add to thos=
e
three?

I have a quick question about the film. (Don't read below if you don't wa=
nt
to spoil the movie!)

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What happens at the end? Did Demy mean for the couple to miss each other
again, though in a less cosmic sense than they do at the end of Les
Parapluies?

Wonderful film, but I feel a bit cheated of a teary cathartic moment. =3D=
)
Especially after all those near misses!

Later,
Ben

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Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again):
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:56:26 -0500



"Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]> wrote:
If done correctly, these packages can be just as safe as custom LP mailer
cartons, if not more so. You cannot just jam an album into an assembled box
and expect it to arrive without damage.
===============
Yeah, one would think, but...

I arrived home yesterday to find a USPO Priority box containing my first eBay LP (CK, it's the Arpia vol.4). The box looked like it had been stepped on and came completely wrapped in plastic. When I removed the plastic I realized this was because the box was soaking wet. Yep, they managed to drop it in water and then seal the water in!
Fortunately the record itself was wrapped in plastic bubble wrap and the box filled with shredded paper. Miraculously, the LP arrived intact and with no evidence of the adventure the box had gone through.

Amazing though, huh?!

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From: George Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:56:47 -0500


        [e-mail] wrote:

        >I think that there will be a blow out when computers make
it
        >possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized
dribble.
        >Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they
don't
        >have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones
and
        >beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to
        >*being able to play instruments well*.
        >
        >The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the
fifties
        >were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar
sounding
        >stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their
time!
        >Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained
note... Who
        >cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make
it
        >sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They
are just
        >sleeping it off.
        >
        >I'm with you on this one, Magnus...
        >See ya
        >Steve
        >

I'm kinda with you, but as far as musicians being forced to "play
instruments well," at a certain point you get into... the "Steve Vai
Problem" (or Sanborn, Toto, etc...).
There are TONS of remarkable & worthy musicians around and about these days,
still-active greats like Mose Allison, Paul Motian, Jimmy Smith, Plas
Johnson, Max Roach; Caetano Veloso is doing some of his best work, & I'm
enjoying Dave Douglas, Bill Frisell, Beck, Laika & the Cosmonauts, Latin
Playboys, Junior Brown, a slew of Japanese stuff that I haven't the $$ to
keep track of...  You're just not as likely to hear it on the radio.
What you are likely to hear are, on the one hand, a lot of one-hit wonders
that are essentially Cute Young Things dropped into production-house tracks
& digitally harmonized into acceptable pitch-accuracy, & tired hard-guy rock
boys with drop-tuned guitars & a couple sampled gestures towards
modernity... there's more, but you know what I'm saying.
I guess I ultimately find no inherent problem with drum machines & such, tho
the ubiquity of the "perfect" beat aesthetic (sequencing, quantizing etc)
gets annoying like everything does when I hear it too much. Still, fake
strings & various machines can certainly help to get a decent sound for
cheap when you have an idea in your head & no other means. And the same
attempts at faking a sound have in the past given us the mellotron, analog
synthesis, & even the kind of homegrown phony "world" music that drew many
of us to this list. Often despised in their time, a lot of these sounds take
on an "otherness" when removed from it & the things they attempted to
replicate. I also think there are at least as many great percussionists
around today as back then, mostly in the latin world as I can see. & God
love Harry Breuer, but he also got more money, play, etc than Patato Valdes,
Chaino Pozo, etc.
The stuff that makes me crazy is the tendancy towards Extremely Huge Sounds
that play on an acoustic "realism" that does not exist in nature; that sense
of implied grandeur, profundity & lack of human scale that to my ears unites
the Peter Gabriels (who I quite liked in the day) & John Teshes of the world
tend to leave me (& their own content) behind.
Given the fact that just about every situation you can name is equipped with
some sort of soundtrack (from tv shows, shopping malls, subways,
advertisements, etc) it makes sense that the manner in which music is used
has evolved in all kinds of ways, many of them at the very least
non-aesthetic (read as "sucky"). & this reflects on how & why music is
created. Still, I think creative music will always find a way. I saw
trumpeter Dave Douglas for the first time with John Zorn's Masada some years
years ago, & he was doing all kinds of extraordinary & unexpected things,
all with a amazing sense of history that would make Wynton... uh, probably
turn to Stanley & mumble something about gumbo.
I realize that this is turning into one of those unwieldy & unfocused
screeds that does not resolve to a point, but... in addition to Shutting Up
now... I'd also say, re the "baggage" issue, that while I seldom have time
to contribute to the more thoughtful threads, the posts which frame opinions
in passionate, possibly windy & likely quixotic terms are one of the things
I most look forward to here.
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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Songwriting
Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:30:33 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>I'd say that another lamentable loss is the disappearance of
>the songwriter.  No more are the Cole Porters, Irving Berlins, Jerome Kerns,
>etc.  Everybody's got to be their own songwriter, and frankly, VERY few of
>them even approach genuine skill in that category.

Strangely enough, the Beatles are to blame for this. They were
*great* songwriters, and absolute geniuses when it came to
musicality. They had a firm basis in early rock n' roll. But as
musicians, they were just passable. No great shakes.

All the bands that followed the Beatles saw was that "passable
musicians" could become a worldwide success on an unprecidented
level without ever really having to play live. These medicore
amateur musicians wanted to become Beatles too, but they only
had a tiny iota of the musicality and songwriting ability that
the Beatles had. They didn't let that didn't stop them.

These lame-ass wannabe Beatles wrote their own lame-ass songs,
goofed around with overdubbing and sound effects to appeal to
the drug crowd, hired trippy illustrators to do their album
covers and named themselves Pink Floyd, Yes and ELO. The Beatles
were great, but they were a *terrible* example for others to
follow.

"Art Rock" is neither art nor rock.

See ya
Steve

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:30:35 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:51:49 -0500
>From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
>
>"Fabricated" pieces of
>music are inert objects, like paintings or sculptures. This is not a point
>for dismissal...

Any good artist will tell you that the act of creation is NOT fabrication,
but *performance*. It's a spontaneous expression made possible by years
of concentrated study of technique. Paintings and sculptures are no
different from Dizzy Gillespie standing on stage at Birdland improvising.
The medium may be different, but the creative process is the same.

Removing spontaneous expression and mastry of technique from either music
or art reduces it to a cheap manufacturing process, not a creative one.
"Fabricated" music is about as valuable as those production line "sofa
sized oil paintings" you see lined up against the wall at the gas
station. I find no problem at all with dismissing it out of hand.

See ya
Steve

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:27:30 +0100 (CET)



citerar George Hall <[e-mail]>:

I'd also say, re the "baggage" issue, that while I seldom have time
> to contribute to the more thoughtful threads, the posts which frame
> opinions
> in passionate, possibly windy & likely quixotic terms are one of the
things
> I most look forward to here.
>   gh


You got a place in my heart George!
A very thoughtful post, I actually tend to forget that many of the
heroes of the past is still alive today and makes just as good music.
I can see my enemy of today: Producers! Money! Digital dehumanization!
Wrong kind of drugs! Cute teenagers!

Its a holy mission! Why are the elderly so silent! It is their right to
hear decent music on the radio.

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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR"
Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:59:50 -0800 (PST)


I suspect that the individual you are quoting meant
that he or she gets the boxes free of charge. I
suspect everyone else pays for their boxes or, like
myself, simply recycles the more secure and
lp-friendly boxes accumulated over time.

I do not agree with Larry that the flat postal boxes
(or any postal boxes, for that matter) are as secure
as lp mailers or even a cut-down cardboard box. The
flat mailers are sealed by strong adhesive. If the lp
is unprotected, as mine was, there is damage (I've had
several shipments where the lp had slid out of the
jacket and become stuck fast). These boxes do not fit
securely around the lp. They leave room for shifting.
If someone is charging $5 for S/H (domestic US), which
is exorbitant, they had better devote the entirety of
it to securing the item shipped. That means using a
box cut to fit an lp.

--- Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]> wrote:
>     correct me if i'm wrong, listee eBay sellers should
> know
> this, but one eBay seller once told me "they get
> their LP boxes for
> free"... from eBay? i don't know, but this is what
> that seller wrote:

> "I PREFER A US MAILING.   IT IS 4.00 PRIORITY AND WE
> GET THE BOXES FREE.
> OVERSEAS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MATERIALS ..."
>
>     maybe that explains that flimsy cardboard postal
> box?


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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds...
Date: 14 Mar 2001 17:07:08 -0500


At 12:26 AM 3/14/01 -0700, kendoll wrote:
>
> the really great thing was that in this collection of real dylan
>records was a an easy listening record of dylan covers by the golden
>gate strings. as it turns
>out, the only record in the lot i ever listen to is the one by the
>golden gate strings

Yeah I like that record a lot myself.  I've always wondered how they got
permission to put that big Dylan head on the cover.  My favorite tune on it
is Subterranean Homesick Blues.
Having said that, it's too bad the actual Dylan records didn't turn you on
to Dylan.
You can't argue taste, nor can you force someone to like what they don't
like.
And if you don't like him, then words like "important", "influential", and
"essential" won't matter to you.
But personally I can't imagine my life without Dylan's music.
I hardly ever listen to him but the other day at the record store, someone
was playing one of these Dylan bootlegs, of which a whole series has been
released.  And I just stood there in the store for about an hour listening
to it.  I didn't really want to buy it - partly because it was a three
volume set - but I couldn't stop listening to it.
It's too bad you missed Dylan.

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From: "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Recent finds...
Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:47:20 -0800


>There is something about seeing an almost complete >collection in one location
>that speaks to me.  I was willing to pay $15 for 10 >Streisand LPs in one whole
>bunch, but I would have never considered paying $1.50 >on ten different trips for
>10 different Streisand LPs.  It might have to do with >a laziness factor .... by
>purchasing the entire group at once, you don't have >to worry about the 'Now which
>of these LPs do I already own?'

I bought almost my entire Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass collection in one day in thrifts in Akron. Nothing like lugging home 11 records all by one artist for under $11. And yes it was worth it. Still don't have the X-Mas album though. Looked at a CD of it this last December and thought about it, but then it didn't seem right not to have it on vinyl.

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Subject: (exotica) Lenny Dee WILD MAN!
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:42:44 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:34:55 -0500
>From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
>
>I'm glad to see the subject of Lenny Dee come up--he's just such a bizarre
>figure.  "My Favorite Things" was one of the first albums of his that I
>bought, and it's still one of my favorites.  But it was in that period of
>transition to watered-down electronic versions of current pop.

Here is another example of an artist who was MUCH better before the
LP era. Check out this red hot organ playing...

http://www.spumco.com/mp3/plantationboogie.mp3

Does anyone know of any other Dee records like this one? I found
this in a batch of 78s I got for a quarter apiece and it's one of
my favorites. The record isn't all that clean, but it doesn't
matter when the performance grabs you by the throat like this.

See ya
Steve

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From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Cheating the Listener
Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:42:45 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:56:47 -0500
>From: George Hall <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite
>
>Still, fake strings &
>various machines can certainly help to get a decent sound for
>cheap when you have an idea in your head & no other means.

I steadfastly refuse to accept that. With old music I don't
have to settle for half a loaf.

See ya
Steve

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 17:38:11 -0500


At 09:59 AM 3/14/01 -0500, Ross Orr wrote:
>
>A while back, a friend gave me a ticket to a Medeski, Martin & Wood
>show. Beforehand, I did not know a thing about them, other than that
>Medeski had played some Hammond with Marc Ribot. I had the impression
>they were brainy NYC jazzbos or something.
>
>I was a bit startled to arrive at the theater and discover a wild
>neo-deadhead pagan scene underway--where I was a good 20 years older
>than the average

That's a funny phenomenon, ain't it?
I don't just mean showing up at a concert where you're 20 years older than
everyone.  That's something you just have to decide you're going to do.  Or
not. If you're TOO self-conscious about it - which I sometimes am - then
you just stay home more often than not.
But anyway I'm talking about this Deadhead thing.  I'm not really all that
surprised to find out that Medeski et al, appeal to the Deadhead crowd.
I must have missed Moritz saying anything about live music being "dead".
There's this donut shop near me.  Actually right now it's more of an
upscale dessert and coffee place.  But there's something about the location
that is cursed.  For some reason, even though it's smack in the middle of a
very cool, kind of upscale yuppie neighbourhood, this location in all its
incarnations, has always attracted the tired, hungry and unwashed.
Anyway for some God-knows-what reason, they have music there.  Open mike
nights, old folky stuff, all very low key.
Last time I was there just to take a load off, there was this duo "onstage"
(there is no stage).
There was a guy singing and playing guitar and a guy playing bass. The
singer was kind of dusty and sang in an old fashioned, flat uninflected
style.  (For you Canadians, he sang like Stompin Tom.  For you Americans,
old Johnny Cash).
The bass player must have been some slumming jazzbo because he was playing
twenty notes for every chord the guitar player played.  The singer is
mumbling his way through "Folsom Prison" and the bass player is doing his
Jaco Pastorius imitation.
And yet it kind of worked.
How can you argue with live music when you can experience stuff like that?
I'm not about to go to a Deadhead-style concert but you can't experience
that kind of ritual on a record at home alone.
Then again, Yanni and John Tesh also play for Deadhead-like fans.

This post was a mess, I know.   Kind of Deadheadish.

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:07:00 -0500


At 02:34 PM 3/14/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote:
>
>I'm glad to see the subject of Lenny Dee come up--he's just such a bizarre
>figure.  ".  I don't particularly like "Easy Come, Easy Go" or the other
late albums, but the early stuff is incomparable.

Well let me put in a vote for the late stuff.  The later the better.  I
particularly like the disco period, for instance his version of "Love Train".
It's true that on the early records, Lenny generally played a more fancy,
energetic organ style.  And on principle, I always think that fancy
fast-fingered organ playing is more interesting than the more lazy style.
It's almost like the organ was created for that kind of nimble-fingered
soloing.
But after buying a half dozen of those early Lenny records, with their
great covers and titles (DEE-Facto is one of my favorites followed closely
by "Lenny Dee-stroys his organ"), I got tired of the relentless happy
bouncy polka-like rhythms.
I love the tune "Cotton Walk" but I can't take too much of that kind of stuff.
On the other hand, I can't get enough of the later stuff.
I wish I had the language to talk about stuff like this.
But I often find myself choosing the apparently-boring muzak over the more
fancy stuff.
For instance I made a CDR of Fausto Pepetti records, some of which feature
a similar kind of faux-disco rhythm as those later Lenny records.
And obviously I love it (or I wouldn't mention it)

I have two Lenny Dee CDR's.  One with the fancy nimble fingered stuff, one
with the other stuff I prefer.  I'm going to include the playlist on a
separate post.  Don't ask me why.

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:12:14 -0500


At 12:40 AM 3/14/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
> But Brian Eno ain't no Duke Ellington and
>Kraftwerk can't hold a candle to Nelson Riddle. It's like the difference
>between an ice cube and a roaring flame.

Which one is the ice cube and which the roaring flame?
I think I prefer the ice cube.
I hope the ice cube was Nelson Riddle.
But I like Kraftwerk too.

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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Watching Lenny Die
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:13:48 -0500


Here's that playlist I promised (God knows why)

WATCHING LENNY DEE

1. Downtown             16. Snowbird
2. Taste of honey         17. One less bell
3. Everybody's talkin         18. How can you mend...?
4. Odd Couple             19. Superstar
5. Hang em high         20.The night they drove Ole Dixie
6. Raindrops keep fallin         21. Where is the love?
7. Folsom Prison Blues         22. Brandy
8. Unchained melody        23. Sealed with a kiss
9. Hurt so bad            24. Love will keep us together
10. Spinnin Wheel        25. How sweet it is..
11. Odds n ends         26. Rose Garden
12. Traces             27. At seventeen
13. This guy's in love         28. Watching Scotty Grow
14. Wichita Lineman
15. Ruby don't take your love to town





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From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The Problem with people who have a problem with Machines
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:36:16 -0500


At 12:40 AM 3/14/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
>
>When I hear a song based on a sampled riff, it only makes me want
>to hear the source material. The creativity of chopping up someone
>else's work and slapping your own name on it is lost on me. It's
>musical vampirism as far as I'm concerned.

I want to say "That's silly" but I won't.
A few weeks ago, a friend of mine played me some tune, I think it was by
Tony Mottola.  But it was definitely some fairly familiar Command/Project 3
artist or someone like that.  The reason he was playing it was because the
opening riff of the tune was "sampled" and used as the opening riff of a
very familiar tune by, I think, Tipsy.
(If you know what i'm talking about here, please reply)
It's a cool riff.  In the original it leads to a nice arrangement of some
tune which I can't remember.  But let's say it was a Bacharach tune.
The people that sampled it used it as an opening riff and went in an
entirely different direction.
They're both good.
If someone hears a tune with lots of samples and says "Gee I'd like to hear
some of the original tunes that were sampled", then I can understand that.
It's fun to find those original samples... though I must say that the vast
majority of samples just fly by me without me knowing I just heard a "sample".
But when someone says "I would PREFER to hear the original tune", I find
that just bizarre. And highly suspicious too.
First of all, a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us
would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals.
But second of all, they're just two different things entirely.
To say I just want to hear the original, to me, is as stupid as saying "Oh
when I see a collage, it just makes me want to see the original magazine
article that the photos were cut out of"
Maybe stupid is too strong a word.
How about nonsensical?
This is what I was talking about when I originally talked about
philosophical or aesthetic choices as opposed to "musical" choices.
IF you don't like the genre of music that often features sampling, so be it.
But it seems to me that you're saying " I don't like this music because I
philosophically oppose the very concept of sampling".
To which I can only ask "On what basis"?
Is it because you philosophically oppose the use of computers in the making
of music?
If so, you better kill yourself now.  It's only going to get more
unbearable for you.

I'll leave it to others more musically educated than me to argue for the
legitimacy of sample-based music.

Myself I just like what I like and I really could not give a rat's ass HOW
it was made.

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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 17:37:58 -0600


Mag wrote:
Why are the elderly so silent! It is their right to
hear decent music on the radio.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Uh...how old is elderly?  I'm thinkin' I'm the oldest one one the list
and it's kinda scaring me.....


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From: [e-mail] (Clayton Black)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:55:27 EST


--- You wrote:
by "Lenny Dee-stroys his organ"), I got tired of the relentless =
happy
bouncy polka-like rhythms.
I love the tune "Cotton Walk" but I can't take too much of that =
kind of stuff.
On the other hand, I can't get enough of the later stuff.
I wish I had the language to talk about stuff like this.
--- end of quote ---

Your language is perfect for this.  I had great difficulty myself =
coming up with a description, precisely because I was unable to =
come up with "relentless happy bouncy polka-like rhythms."
Bravo.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite
Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:57:40 -0800


At 10:09 PM 13-03-01 -0800, Paul Penna wrote:
>I have a particular thing for minor-label knock-off big
>band & percussion albums. For example, "Perspectives in Percussion," two
>volumes, recorded by D.L. Miller

There was actually a third volume called Motion in Percussion, recorded
October 1960 and directed by D.L. Miller with the Hollywood "Pops"
Orchestra and conducted by Robert Lowden (not Skip Martin as the other two
were), Sonic Workship Project No. 0100.  Same sort of stuff...I consider
this album together with the other two because it has many of the same
people involved.

This is the one with the changing display on the front cover (what do they
call that, venticular?).

I see it now and then on ebay.  I got mine on ebay with no
competition...probably because they didn't have a picture of it.

Byron


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny Dee WILD MAN!
Date: 14 Mar 2001 20:09:15 EST


In a message dated 3/14/01 2:36:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Here is another example of an artist who was MUCH better before the
 LP era. Check out this red hot organ playing... >>

are there ANY good CD out with some of Lenny's music?  or does anybody have
some for trade, etc.?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Electronic music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:01:15 -0800


Maye people that complain about electronic music should take a listen to the more experimental stuff out there... I have heard really good things, adventurous, imaginative, talented, funny, smart...

OK... maybe it can not be put on some kind of pedestal to be worshipped as is the case with those 'squeezed Louis Armstrong notes' but so what? It's music. It makes people feel things. Maybe it doesn't make you feel jelous of the guy playing the guitar or in awe of him, but then those are things that distract you from the music itself.

If the problem you are having is with trance music, there are several electronic genres that are very different from that repetitive beat. Try people like Mouse on Mars, Marumari, To Rococo Rot, Schlammpeitziger... Or IsolΘe, Rinocerose and Pluxus. Or downbeat (Thievery Corporation, Howie B., etc.)

Possibly this whole discussion is more than about music. It is also about curiosity. And some people seem to be able only to feel curiosity for things made by dead people. And that seems a little strange to me. Would you prefer to know how the world used to be than to know how it is now?

I'm sure there are very reassuring things if you take that path... And that can also be a way of taking refuge of the chaos of the present. But personally I think that's what's so fascinating about living in this time.

Anyway... I'll try to look for something exotica related here in Bogota and tell you about it...

Cheers,
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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Lenticular rekkids
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:08:42 -0800




>>>This is the one with the changing display on the front cover (what do
they
call that, venticular?).

Close - LENticular. I have "Swingin' with Prince Igor" Project #200. Same
deal on the cover: Lenticular "Swingin."

I really prize my few lenticular album covers - especially the one by the
singing hypnotist who's name escapes me at the moment. It's a spooky eye
that follows you 'round the room.

Anybody else care to share theirs?

Ron




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Back in a trading mood
Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:32:40 EST


I haven't posted in 9 months, but I thought I'd pop in just to see if anyone
is interested in hearing any music.   I've currently got about 550 albums/CDs
some are my own but the majority have come from the kind folks on this list.
I've converted them to highest quality mp3s.  If anyone wants to listen to
something (mp3s only) just stop by my house, bring cookies.  If you can't
make it by the house maybe we can work something out.  Drop me a line.

Later,
Roy


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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Space Age Pop is very much on line
Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:31:34 -0600


The Space Age Pop site is still on line and will be for years to come.

It's *moved*, however, to its own URL:

www.spaceagepop.com

The old pages are still available at home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop, but
they'll redirect you to the new home page.

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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:42:53 -0500


At 01:30 PM 3/14/2001, bigshot wrote:
> >From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
> >
> >"Fabricated" pieces of
> >music are inert objects, like paintings or sculptures. This is not a point
> >for dismissal...
>
>Any good artist will tell you that the act of creation is NOT fabrication,
>but *performance*. It's a spontaneous expression made possible by years
>of concentrated study of technique. Paintings and sculptures are no
>different from Dizzy Gillespie standing on stage at Birdland improvising.
>The medium may be different, but the creative process is the same.

Now it was my turn to be misinterpreted. Yes, yes, the creative process is
all in the family, but when a painting, a sculpture, or an audio piece that
is only possible as a recording is *completed*, it is an object. On the
other hand, a performable musical piece (or theater or dance) has a
different sort of life as an ongoing process (and yes, any of those can be
recorded and also exist as an fixed object).

I think one thing that has missed clarification here, and maybe he can
confirm... I *think* maybe the stuff that's been driving Magnus crazy is
mainstream techno? The really generic stuff? No? Yes?

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From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age?
Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:47:58 -0600


tb wrote:

so now i am curious, how old are you?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ok...now I KNOW I am the oldest on this list...I'm (gulp)  *51*
But I'm young at heart...and all that crap.



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Subject: (exotica) Disney and tiki
Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:51:00 -0500


> Would you prefer to know how the world used to be than to know how it is now?
> I'm sure there are very reassuring things if you take that path...

Interestingly enough, I read this post after returning home for a opening lecture/reception at D.C's National Building Museum for an exhibit titled "Designing Disney's Theme Parks - the Architecture of Reassurance"

Overall it is a good exhibit - lots of drawings and scale models for some of the original Disney parks from the 1950's era.  This era pretty much coincides with the era that much of the mainstream exotica music was produced. .... one can see definite links between Martin Denny creating albums with different global musical themes with
Disney's Themepark with different 'themes' showing different types of neighborhoods - the adventureland, the fantsayland, and the  tomorrowlands.

It was interesting to hear a lecture from an architectural viewpoint -- and hear new things - like one of the purposes of the steam train that circles the original park.  It sits on a tall earthen berm, which prevents people inside the park from looking outside and seeing the everyday surburban sprawl.

This exhibit had one very bittersweet item displayed - one of the original animatronic birds from the Enchanted Tiki Room.  It was nice to see the bird still working and moving, but it seems so wrong to see it displayed in a plexiglass box on a pedestal in a museum display, without all the accompanying tiki decor around it.  (I pondered
whether this would be the same fate as some of the tiki items from the Kahiki restaurant)   The wall displays had some of the original drawings for the tiki room display, included a sign that says the attraction requires an 'E' ticket -- on a range from 'A' to 'E', 'E' tickets were for the best exhibits.  The animatronics were so novel and
so new when they first appeared - you needed the best ticket to see it, but as the years progressed, the required ticket required went lower and lower.

It's been a while since someone posted a link to the friends of the enchanted tiki room, so I thought I'd provide it here.  http://www.geocities.com/disneyguy55/friendsoftiki.html

I'll close with an excerpt from the Disney exhibit book ....  "The history of Disneyland makes it abundantly clear that Walt Disney saw the park as an alternative to things he didn't like about L.A., including automobility, suburban sameness, and the lack of a memorable civic center.  But there were things he liked very much about the city
and intensified within the confines of the berm.  Fantasy buildings, shaped like derby hats and hot dogs, that suggested what a malleable, pictorial medium architecture could be. "

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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:01:49 -0500


Magnus wrote:

> I dont hate the computer!!!! I just dont like mechanical music. It seems
that I
> cant make myself clear at all.
Here's one to confuse things even more. One of my favourite recordings is
made up of just that... Well not exactly...  Actually Pierre Bastien's
"Musiques machinales" is recordings composed of layered loops which he plays
(or should I say sets in motion) using  mechanized instruments which he
designs and builds.  It resembles some kind of victorian workbench creation
in appearance but African in sound.

>I AM EXPOSED TO CRAP!!!!!!!!
>when I leave the house. Or on TV, radio etc.
Magnus, you should be thankful you don't live in our (North American) part
of the world. Sure you can get records cheap, but it's much harder to shut
the crap out! I know as I go to great pains to do so myself and it takes
serious effort and committment!

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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records
Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:43:55 -0500


Chuck wrote:

> I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff and
> the definition of good stuff has been expanded due to ebayazation.
I remember being shocked to find by accident on a web search that Value
Village, a "chain" thrift store is in the very business of selling rare
records. It was their own website that shouted this out! This means the
store is actually picking through the take before they put anything out for
the public in their stores and in fact the website implied they didn't stop
this practice with records.  Not so reprehensible if its a genuine charity
but Value Village is a for profit corporation!

> Really, Herb Alpert's Whipped Cream has even disappeared from the
> thrifts down here.
Almost the same here but as I noted we're positively drowning in Lucien Hetu
records.  Ironically you never find any old Celine Dion records as these
likely have serious value to people from other places and get taken out.

The way I see it, it all comes down to how much time you can devote to
looking and I have to agree if you have the time and the inclination there
are probably good things to be had cheap.  I take the middle ground by
shopping at the next level up ie. used record stores.  Ebay would be yet one
more step up as the records are then priced for the global market instead of
what the local (that's in those 50 cent Canadian dollars) will bear. I think
we get good records a lot cheaper here as a result of this!

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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:29:45 -0500


Moritz wrote:

> what's the point i this discussion? I'm certainly not arguing about
personal taste. > I think it's a pity if some dismisses anything new, just
because computers were
> used to create it. To me this has nothing to do with the quality of the
music, nor > with craftmanship of the producers. Even old handplayed music
can sound dull > and soulless. the entire thread started with the explicit
statements "music was
> better then than now" and someone had to disagree...

Hasn't every successive generation made the same claim that their "anything"
was better? As if you can easily quantify and qualify what "better" means,
when things like music and art are so subjective you could never hope to
gain any consensus anyway!  History has been continuously "mined" and there
is no reason to assume that will ever change. I don't argue people are now
perceived to be lazier than ever given so much is handed out without
requiring much thought, but at the same time people are exposed to more now
than in any time in history, and for many its a natural escape from the fast
paced-fast changing world we live in. Not that this should in any way impede
creativity, in fact if anything I see it as the complete opposite. I guess
its obvious I also fundamentally disagree with the statement that "older is
naturally better", but the real question is  "can there really be anything
that is entirely new"?

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Electronic music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:49:42 +0100 (CET)



citerar [e-mail]:

Maybe it doesn't make you feel jelous
> of the guy playing the guitar or in awe of him, but then those are
things
> that distract you from the music itself.

No. Rubbish! When Vinnie Bell says hello in "maid of the moon" he does
a magical thing to me and the music lifts up to a whole new level.
Robert Johnson without his guitar... Nah.


(Thievery Corporation,

I have tried this, Nothing to recommend.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:58:31 +0100 (CET)



citerar "m.ace" <[e-mail]>:

> I think one thing that has missed clarification here, and maybe he can
> confirm... I *think* maybe the stuff that's been driving Magnus crazy
is
> mainstream techno? The really generic stuff? No? Yes?


Actually no, Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets
me, and it is the hits of the day, or in rhyme: when I go out for a
beer, the dancemusic I hear.

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From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:13:17


>Removing spontaneous expression and mastry of technique from either music
>or art reduces it to a cheap manufacturing process, not a creative one.
>"Fabricated" music is about as valuable as those production line "sofa
>sized oil paintings" you see lined up against the wall at the gas
>station. I find no problem at all with dismissing it out of hand.
>
So how does animation stack up as a spontaneous improvised synchronous act
of creation in front of a live audience?

I think it's art personally (even if we use computers to make the process
easier). A long time ago you made a good point, when you were slightly
annoyed at people equating drugs and artistic inspiration, that no one made
good animation ripped to the tits on drink and drugs and they, in fact,
tended to have to stay at home and do a lot of work.
Electronic music in general requires you to stay at home and do an awful lot
of work poring over minutae. A house tracks excellence is not contained in
the simple tune but in the detail of the sound, timbre, rhythm and the exact
dynamics.

You do have a point about fabricated music, but shall we apply that term to
the production of the 'Great American Songbook'?
About which more later.
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From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:26:04 +0100


>Electronic music in general requires you to stay at home and do an awful lot
>of work poring over minutae. A house tracks excellence is not contained in
>the simple tune but in the detail of the sound, timbre, rhythm and the exact
>dynamics.

this reminds me that a friend of mine has been begging me for the last 3
months to finish a certain dance remix of his band's tune.
I took something like 3 hours to build a structure for 3 remix. Both I and
the original artists (at least most of the band members) like it, the only
trouble is that in 3 months I haven't been able to put a couple of small
pieces in time and tune with all the rest.

All this to say that there is a lot of cheap electronic stuff, and also a
lot of other eletronic music that requires a lot of work.

Anyway in my humble opinion sometimes some of the improvised stuff may be
funny or interesting too. "commercial" productions (say, like Technotonic
;))) may often be less imaginative and boring, while still being *cheap*.

(by the way I have to admit I loved Technotronic's first album, but I was
only 18 at the time... ;))))

DjB


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Subject: (exotica) I wish I was a mole in the ground...
Date: 15 Mar 2001 03:06:55 -0800 (PST)


Flushed out of my hidey-hole by some recent comments,
decloaking with a couple quick quips...
I'm one of those who rarely has time to post. I'm
still a couple digests behind in keeping up. But I
wanted to throw a couple cents in here and there.
- Not sure how I feel about the vinyl availability
question overall, but anecdotally I've got evidence
that it's easy to find. Walking the dog last fall,
found a pile of NM to mint albums on the curb with the
garbage. Lots of Joplin rags, some Lionel Hampton,
territory band collections (not the original 78s, but
re-issue circa 60s or 70s), some disco, Trini Lopez
and Claudine Longet. Not much that I would've paid
good money for, a little that I would've paid a little
for, and some that I would've (and did) take for free.
I actually left some stuff, and found some
discoveries. I enjoy the territory band stuff more
than I expected. So I guess there is still good stuff
out there for the taking.
- Boston area listers: I forget the name of the
exhibit, but Wellsley College's Davis Museum has a
pretty interesting exhibit of cold war design that's
worth checking out. Free admission. Album covers
include Esquivel's "Other Planets...", cool furniture,
Forbidden Planet, Fantastic Voyage and Godzilla OSTs,
paintings, etc.
all for now,
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:34:10 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me

Don't you have any birds?

Mo

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Back in a trading mood
Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:34:58 +0100




[e-mail] schrieb:

> If anyone wants to listen to something (mp3s only) just stop by my house, bring cookies.

Boy, that sounds great. I wish this Atlantic would not be between us.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco
Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:35:05 +0100


hey, after all these years of reading posts about Lenny Dee... could someone be so kind to throw in a Best Of compilation into the Exoticaring? I'd like to hear what I read about! Could you, Alan? You seem to like the disco phase of Dee and I like disco.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Songwriting
Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:35:13 +0100


uh oh, you really know how to stir up a discussion with generalizations, Steve. Of course you know, that your craftmanship theory stands and falls with the details.

Basically your arguments are the 19th century view on the art of the 20th century.  Almost all innovations of the last 100 years were accused of a lack of quality and craftmanship in the beginning. Be it Cubism, Jazz, Rock, comic strips - there were always these conservative old folks saying "he cannot play an instrument, they cannot sing, he cannot paint realistically, it's not serious, it's jungle music, it's not valuable" etc. Yet the results of all this are the arts of today and you are part of it and you like it.

the art and music of the last century - especially what we call Exotica - was heavily influenced by so called primitive arts. Going back to the roots. Don't tell me, this was because western culture was so fascinated about primitivism for its superior craftmanship. It was the opposite, it was the expression and visionary truth that counted. Futurism happened because the old mastership art of the 19th century was monolithic, reactionary and *booooring*.

One thing about mastership is that it wants to improve yet tends to repeat old patterns. That's why it always ends up in a dead end road. That's why innovation often comes from so called dilletants or from developments outside an art form.

You will have extreme difficulties to explain what good craftmanship is at all. Like f.i., wether the singing of Frank Sinatra is so good because it is so perfect - which it isn't - or because it shows expression, when he doesn't hit the right note all the time. Try to explain! You mention the Electric Light Orchestra, they could sing multi-vocally extremely well, better than the Beatles. Does it mean I have to like them more? Is this a sign of quality at all? (BTW: ELO made at least two brillant albums, but this is just my taste.) A definition of craftmanship that ignores artistic, emotional and conceptional qualities, or even personal taste, has yet to be invented. The history of craftmanship... I'd really be interested what would come out of that. I'd rather see the course of history as a dialectic exchange play between dilletants and craftsmen, each needing the other to develop.

To call "over-dubbing and sound-effects a lame-ass trick to appeal to the drug-crowd"... this is the most conservative thing I have read in a while. The funny thing is, that I know kind of what you want to say, but the way you express it, it's, sorry, nonsense. It's an argument against anything new. There was this first man in history who made music by beating a stone against a piece of wood; he did it for years and achieved mastership in it. Then came the second man stringing a skin between the ends of another piece of wood and wanted to make sounds with it. But the first man said: Don't do that. You only want to impress the drug crowd with your string. Stone music is all we need. If you practice hard enough, you can achieve mastership with the stone.

In "Fabricated music" you say "(the act of creation is) a spontaneous expression made possible by years of concentrated study of technique". Very well, I can second this, but this doesn't say anything about *which* technique. The art of sampling, f.i., is such a technique, no matter you accept it or not. History is written without your approval.


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From: Sem Sinatra <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Nico Gomez
Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:39:01 +0900


>Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a
>blinder! And the whole LP is superb.

Is there a whole album available now by Nico Gomez? Reissue? More
details please. I couldn't find anything last time I looked after
hearing Rio on that German Glucklick CD comp.

I did pick up a red vinyl album here in Japan with one side Nico
Gomez ... not his best stuff though.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:04:19 +0100 (CET)



citerar Moritz R <[e-mail]>:

> Magnus Sandberg schrieb:
>
> > Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me
>
> Don't you have any birds?
>
> Mo
>

No all the birds moved to africa ;)

I seem to pretty alone in hearing things scary in our current music,
maybe I can let it pass now, I just got worried for mankind, that's how
this discussion started. It actually feels a lot better after you have
told me more about your opinions. Thanks for every thoughtful written
post, we are different for sure.

Magnus


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From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:05:13


Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the beats
technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more exotica
flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and
are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'. Which is neither a
compliment or a criticism as I use it.
I know it's been mentioned here before but I really feel more people on this
list would dig it.
Also, modern drum programming is many things, but it certainly isn't
repetitive if done by someone good.
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From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age?
Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:07:11 -0500


Ok...now I KNOW I am the oldest on this list...I'm (gulp)  *51*
But I'm young at heart...and all that crap.

 Colleen

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From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disney and tiki
Date: 15 Mar 2001 07:07:38 -0600


[e-mail] wrote:

> It was interesting to hear a lecture from an architectural viewpoint -- and hear new things - like one of the purposes of the steam train that circles the original park.  It sits on a tall earthen berm, which prevents people inside the park from looking outside and seeing the everyday surburban sprawl.

The parks are also designed to force visitors to view the attractions from a particular perspective. One book I read (The Art of Walt Disney, by Christopher Finch) likened it to a movie lot or being shown a real-life Disney movie with each ride being a separate film segment.

The Encounter Restaurant (which I've mentioned in several threads now) was recently remodeled by Disney Imagineers.


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From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nico Gomez
Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:41:19 +0000


Sem Sinatra wrote:
>
> >Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a
> >blinder! And the whole LP is superb.
>
> Is there a whole album available now by Nico Gomez? Reissue? More
> details please. I couldn't find anything last time I looked after
> hearing Rio on that German Glucklick CD comp.
>

Nico Gomez and his Afro Percussion Inc - 'Ritual' - Omega (Holland?)
is possibly a non-legal 'reissue'... lp only.

Not sure of original date, possibly 71?

Also, does anyone know if the Nico Gomez who plays bass for Snowboy and
The Latin Section is the same person?


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)



    Meddelande:    Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:23:01 +0100
citerar Robert McKenna <[e-mail]>:

>
> Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the
beats
>
> technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more
> exotica
> flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further
and
> are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'. Which is neither a
> compliment or a criticism as I use it.
> I know it's been mentioned here before but I really feel more people
on
> this
> list would dig it.
> Also, modern drum programming is many things, but it certainly isn't
> repetitive if done by someone good.
> rob



To show my good will, maybe I should order it, it would be nice to hear
something new that was good.

I am participating in the exotica ring though, so a lot of new music
will come to my ears, maybe even that one.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:23:01 +0100 (CET)



citerar Robert McKenna <[e-mail]>:

>
> Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the
beats
>
> technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more
> exotica
> flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further
and
> are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'. Which is neither a
> compliment or a criticism as I use it.
> I know it's been mentioned here before but I really feel more people
on
> this
> list would dig it.
> Also, modern drum programming is many things, but it certainly isn't
> repetitive if done by someone good.
> rob



To show my good will, maybe I should order it, it would be nice to hear
something new that was good.

I am participating in the exotica ring though, so a lot of new music
will come to my ears, maybe even that one.

Magnus


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Subject: (exotica) [obit] Richard Stone
Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:26:30 -0500


Richard Stone
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=1RICHARD|STONE
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Richard Stone, whose musical compositions for such popular cartoon shows as ``Animaniacs'' and ``Freakazoid'' won him more than a half-dozen Emmys, died Friday of pancreatic cancer. He was 47.

Stone grew up watching Warner Bros. ``Looney Tunes'' cartoons in the 1950s and '60s before going on to study cello and music composition in college.

He not only emulated the style of Carl Stalling, who composed hundreds of musical scores for classic Warner Bros. cartoons in the 1930s, '40s and '50s, but also incorporated elements of jazz, Broadway, country and rock music into his work.

Stone also carved out his own style on modern-day shows, winning seven Emmys since 1994 for such cartoons as ``Animaniacs,'' ``Freakazoid'' and ``Histeria!''

He also worked on the cartoons ``Pinky & the Brain,'' ``Taz-Mania,'' ``Road Rovers'' and ``The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries'' and scored several movies, including the cult classics ``Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat'' and ``Pumpkinhead.''



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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:28:07 -0500


After much anticipation, I finally listened to this one - and I was quite
disappointed.  I know it's always compared to Tipsy, but I don't see the
comparison at all.  Yes, there are samples used, but that's where it ends -
Willner tends to use a lot of spoken word bits (based on his background, not
surprising) including a lot of borscht belt -type snippets.  It might be
more obscure-sounding to a European, but for a North American, I didn't
think so.  Yes, it is less "poppy", but...

BTW, whoever it was (Alan?) that said the only stuff that would be left on
Napster would be the sort of stuff we're all interested in was right - but
it bothers me.  After all, is Metallica really going to be affected if a
bunch of 12-year olds who couldn't afford to buy their CD dowloaded it from
Napster instead?  But now you can find all sorts of musicians who don't sell
millions of copies, and I would think anything dowloaded instead of bought
would be a serious blow to them.  And even those that sell better, such as
Tipsy, are of course, still showing up on Napster.  Musicians such as Tipsy
deserve our support.  I think this is where I draw the Napster line (if it's
something I can't otherwise buy or find, okay, but if not...)

And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the first
two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background -
you can't miss it!

> Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the
beats
> technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more
exotica
> flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and
> are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'

Enough ranting for one morning...see what staying home with a four-year-old
on spring break can do to you?

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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hidden Identities
Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:55:06 -0500


Not long ago there was a good bit of discussion about aliases (Dick Hyman
was Knuckles O'Toole, right?), and I'm curious about two albums in my
collection.  Does anybody know who "The Mustang" was?  The album's not
great, so I won't be upset if I don't find this one out, but I do like
"Trumpets Ole," and I'm curious about it.  It's on Decca, so my assumption
is that it's a group from that bunch, although as someone here brought up,
the alias could be a means of avoiding contract violations with other
labels.

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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:15:04 -0500



>And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the
>first
>two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background -
>you can't miss it!
>

Check out the web site for Boston band "4 Piece Suit" at
www.fourpiecesuit.com.

It mentions that they also put together some music for "Sex And The City".

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:21:53 +0100 (CET)




I have started to buy classic films again after many years with just
sci fi and horror of the psychotronic kind, it just gives me more for
the moment, allthough those old genre films have a special shimmer to
me.

Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of
Cabiria". And it is a fantastic film! Its about a prostitute and her
relationships with men who always end up in great pain for her.
Giulietta Masina who portrays this somewhat lost soul is a real miracle
in gestures and facial expression, I was extremely touched by her
performance allthough I did not cry when this film ended. It is of
significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good,
there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it.

You cant go wrong with this one. The image quality of the dvd from
Criterion is fantastic.

Any other Fellini recommendations?

Magnus



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From: Mimi Mayer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:00:11 -0600


Appropos of nothing except information overload and The Digitized Lifestyle
as Steve Jobs just put it, a fine recent novel explores this phenomenon:
The Diagnosis by Alan Lightman. Nothing musical in it except the prose. Mimi




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From: Brett Leveridge <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:48:15 -0500 (EST)



NIGHTS OF CABIRIA is indeed terrific. I saw it for the first time a few
years ago, when a remastered, restored print was making the rounds. It was
the fifth film I saw that day (I was on a tear), so you'd think I'd have
been bleary-eyed and distracted, but it's such a great film that it kept
me engaged throughout.

Of the Fellini films that are available on DVD, I've seen LA DOLCE VITA, 8
1/2, and LA STRADA, and I highly recommend them all (LA STRADA is
heartbreaking). For a long time, I assumed Fellini wouldn't be my cup of
tea; I'd somehow been led to believe that that his films were all a bit
surreal and difficult to follow. But that hasn't been the case at all with
the films I've seen.

One note on NIGHTS OF CABIRIA: The scene with the man offering charity to
the people who live in the caves was cut out of the film back in '57; it
was seen only a few times. Fellini excised it at the request of the church
(who thought it reflected badly on them); only because of the recent
restoration is it in the film now, and thank Heaven it is: it's a lovely
scene, and vital to the film, in my view.

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> Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of
> Cabiria". And it is a fantastic film! Its about a prostitute and her
> relationships with men who always end up in great pain for her.
> Giulietta Masina who portrays this somewhat lost soul is a real miracle
> in gestures and facial expression, I was extremely touched by her
> performance allthough I did not cry when this film ended. It is of
> significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good,
> there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it.
>
> Any other Fellini recommendations?



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:54:36 +0100 (CET)



citerar Brett Leveridge <[e-mail]>:

> Of the Fellini films that are available on DVD, I've seen LA DOLCE
VITA, 8
> 1/2, and LA STRADA, and I highly recommend them all (LA STRADA is
> heartbreaking). For a long time, I assumed Fellini wouldn't be my cup
of
> tea;


I thought so too, luckily with art is that you can change and
appreciate things in later stadiums of life. What a great storyteller
he is, and so humane.


>
> One note on NIGHTS OF CABIRIA: The scene with the man offering
charity to
> the people who live in the caves was cut out of the film back in '57;
it
> was seen only a few times. Fellini excised it at the request of the
church
> (who thought it reflected badly on them); only because of the recent
> restoration is it in the film now, and thank Heaven it is: it's a
lovely
> scene, and vital to the film, in my view.


I agree, very vital, yet the atmosphere change a little from the rest
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In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:15:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]> writes:

<<

>And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the
>first
>two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background -
>you can't miss it!
>

Last night I was stunned when I heard Sam Paglia's "Night Club Tropez" on "Sex And The City". But I also really like the music on "The Sopranos", even though its not exotica...The other night I heard Dave 'Baby' Cortez pumping "The Happy Organ" while Anthony gave his attitude-ridden nephew some facts he "isn't gonna like to hear, but he's gonna hear it anyways and deal with it...."...JB



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Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:01:49 -0800 (PST)


Giulietta of the Spirits: very beautiful
cinematography, and ST, if I recall correctly (it's
been 10 years).

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> Any other Fellini recommendations?
>
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I have not seen the show this season, but yes - the
folks who score it are on our wavelength. Last season,
I heard Denny and Baxter in the same episode (I think
it was the oral masseur one).

--- [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Last night I was stunned when I heard Sam Paglia's
> "Night Club Tropez" on "Sex And The City"

But I
> also really like the music on "The Sopranos", even
> though its not exotica...

What I find amusing musically about the Sopranos is
that the Gandolfini character and his capi still
listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra (and speak
reverentially of the latter): after all, these guys
are  30 to 40 something years old, raised in an urban
environment in the Zeppelin-Sex Pistols era (not that
I don't see the appeal... I'd spin Frankie anyday
before listening to Led Zeppelin or Boston, etc., ever
again. But I suppose tradition and its asphixiating
ties are what it's all about.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine
Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:32:55 -0800 (PST)


This is probably next to meaningless, but as it keeps
me from the task at hand:

When I was in school in Charlottesville, VA I used to
eat at a restaurant called Fellini's: decent food,
decor, etc., and baroque stories known to a few
regulars (the chef going to prison for some
undisclosed reason being the one I can still recall);
they also supported local arts. It was eventually shut
down.

Returning to Fairfax to tie up loose ends on a
graduate degree I found close by a great restaurant
called La Dolce Vita. Is there a message in this? Am I
too prone to suspecting inscrutible links and
correspondences (or did I eat a variety of things in
my malformative years that did not agree with me?) or
are there in fact thousands of Italian restaurants
with Fellini-inspired names?


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Subject: RE: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:45:28 +0100


Magnus wrote:

> Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of
> Cabiria".
> It is of
> significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good,
> there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it.

AndrΘ Popp did a cover version of one of the tunes from that movie. I'd have
to look up the title, but it was written by Nino Rota.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:09:00 -0600


I adore The White Sheik and the heartbreaking La Strada. In my opinion Nino
Rota's OSTs for La Strada, La Dolce, 8 1/2 and La Noti are essential (but
then, I'm unhinged when it comes to Rota and Fellini). Of the later
Rota/Fellini collaborations, the Casanova OST stands apart. Add Giullieta
degli spiriti/Juliet of the Spirits to the essentials list too--plus, the
film Juliet is as freighted with the surreal as La Dolce or 8 1/2 or
Satyricon. You can find most of these OSTs conducted by Carlo Savina at
http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/ , a relatively new addy for the
company.

Ah, a bracing Rota break from work! Thanks, Magnus!
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine
Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:24:31 -0600


Ben penned:
Is there a message in this? Am I
>too prone to suspecting inscrutable links and
>correspondences (or did I eat a variety of things in
>my malformative years that did not agree with me?) or
>are there in fact thousands of Italian restaurants
>with Fellini-inspired names?

Weird synchronicity. Tonight I'm giving a reading at a cafe next door to La
Dolce Vita, a coffee house with a liquor license. And on the day when
Rota/Fellini crop up on the list. Coincidence, correspondence, or
inscrutable mystery? You decide. Mimi

Bullwinkle: Eenie weinie chili beanie, the sprits are about to speak.
Rocky: Are they friendly spirits?
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:02:14 -0500



>Any other Fellini recommendations?

I'm probably just a pushover, but I've always found ANY Fellini movie to be
worth viewing. Even the "lesser" films.

A few of those that I enjoyed:

Lo Sceicco Bianco (1952) [aka The White Sheik]
A gentle little comedy. Anyone who would put this down would also kick a puppy.

Prova d'orchestra (1979) [aka Orchestra Rehearsal]
Allegorical single-set comedy w/ an orchestra descending into social
disorder. Maybe a film soundtrack orchestra -- I can't remember that
distinction. Some found it too obvious. I thought it was amusing.

Intervista (1987)
A fanciful look back at his film career. Some may find it a bit too dewy eyed.


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Subject: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:02:34 -0500


Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from my post that was blocked
the other week.

Does anyone else have "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you
think of it?

I have it. It's not up there with the original album, nothing comes
anywhere close to "Some Velvet Morning". But it has some interesting
tracks. "Arkansas Coal (Suite)", "Congratulations", the comedy closer "Got
It Together".

I never seem to hear anything about it. Is it that obscure? Or is it a
hated album?

thanks,

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:29:31 +0100 (CET)



citerar "m.ace" <[e-mail]>:

Did Fellini do the film from the eighties about the italian Fred
Astaire and Ginger Rogers impersonators? That was a nice one!

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Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:33:09 -0800 (PST)


Interesting (Rocky and Bullwinkle, along with HR
Puffenstuff, always was). The incantation and
emergence of formidable spirits in the magic cathode
circle to do what work? The squirrely question cannot
be answered. Intimations from the fantastic beyond to
a simulated world.


There was something going on in that show (and its
Fractured Fairtales).
--- Mimi Mayer <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> Bullwinkle: Eenie weinie chili beanie, the sprits
> are about to speak.
> Rocky: Are they friendly spirits?
> Bullwinkle: Friendly? Just listen!
> [commercial break]
>
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:39:46 -0500


At 12:34 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
.>
>Magnus Sandberg schrieb:
>
>> Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me
>
>Don't you have any birds?
.
Great comeback Mo!
Then again birds can be upsetting.
All those squawks and squeals.

"Not all birds sing sweetly".

Who said that?  I did.

Believe it or not, I can actually relate to this.  And I guess we all can.
I might not express myself like Magnus, who sometimes reminds me of a young
Brother Theodore (he's still alive isn't he?  Barely?)

Except for the time I spend hanging around a couple of used record stores,
most of the MUSIC I hear outside my little room, annoys me to some extent..
Even at the bar I frequent, where they play a steady diet of Roberta Flack,
Al Green, Motown.. it gets tiresome.
The fact that they think they're so "eclectic" is part of what bothers me.
Even "old school" soul music can get tiresome and repetitive.  Especially
when they play the same five CD's every time you go there.

So yes I can imagine poor Magnus hiding in his room, afraid to leave,
afraid to be confronted by all the Boy Bands blaring from every speaker.
But that's got nothing to do with fabricated music.
And what's wrong with fabricating music anyway?
If you don't fabricate it, what do you do to it?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:47:37 -0500


At 10:28 AM 3/15/01 -0500, cheryl wrote:
>  After all, is Metallica really going to be affected if a
>bunch of 12-year olds who couldn't afford to buy their CD dowloaded it from
>Napster instead?

If anyone here still wants to download Metallica, go to this site:

http://napcameback.com/

I'm so proud of these young Canadian boys.

Yeah I know that it's immature of me but I still kind of like it when kids
steal music on the internet.  And I was so happy when I saw this on the
local news the other day.  Go there and you can continue to steal from
really successful musicians.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Hidden Identities
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500


At 10:55 AM 3/15/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote:
>
>Not long ago there was a good bit of discussion about aliases (Dick Hyman
>was Knuckles O'Toole, right?), and I'm curious about two albums in my
>collection.  Does anybody know who "The Mustang" was?

I'm almost sure that the Mustang was Paul Griffin, who died within the last
year or so.  And if you see The Mustang Beatles record, pick it up; it's
better than the other one I had.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) James Bond Theme Trial Ongoing
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:53:15 -0500


What with all the talk of soundtracks, I hope that y'all occasionally find your way to http://filmscoremonthly.com

Here's some interesting goings-on as reported on the site's home page:


James Bond Theme Trial Ongoing
News flash by Lukas Kendall
The libel trial between Monty Norman and London's Sunday Times is ongoing. I want to alert our readers to excellent, comprehensive summaries that Pete Greenhill has been providing for the John Barry newsgroup at Yahoo's egroups, as he has been attending the trial. (I think you have to sign up in order to access the board.)

Here are the daily summaries -- there apparently aren't any for days 1 and 2:

Day 3

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14831

Day 4-5

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14867

Day 6

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14882

Day 7 - John Barry takes the stand!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14925

Finally we can learn the story behind the authorship of this famous theme...I hope!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:01:41 -0500


At 10:14 AM 3/15/01 -0800, Ben Waugh wrote:
>
>What I find amusing musically about the Sopranos is
>that the Gandolfini character and his capi still
>listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra (and speak
>reverentially of the latter): after all, these guys
>are  30 to 40 something years old, raised in an urban
>environment in the Zeppelin-Sex Pistols era

I think it would be a great idea for them to throw in a little Sex Pistols.
I know it would be a big wink-wink thing but at the very least, I can
imagine these guys listening to Springsteen.
I find it very very curious that even though the vast majority of us do NOT
look like rock n roll musicians, we still find it funny when some slightly
overweight, balding character on television (or movies) makes a reference
to rock music.

You watch the Sopranos, you don't question that these guys see themselves
as Rat Packers and think of Frank Sinatra as just this side of Jesus.
On the other hand, I could imagine on a show like this which turns so many
cliches on its side, they could have made more interesting musical choices.

BTW if you ever watch this new A&E show, 100 Centre Street, the character
played by Alan Arkin is a jazz fan and record collector and occasionally
buys used records from a guy on the street.

It's a nice touch.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:06:07 -0500


At 02:02 PM 3/15/01 -0500, m.ace wrote:
>
>Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from my post that was blocked
>the other week.
>
>Does anyone else have "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you
>think of it?

I have it.  You're right, it's not as good as the original.

I bought my copy when I was in Montreal by the way, at a weird store that
was around the corner from where Will used to live.

I think it's slightly obscure.  I think there are fans of the first record
that would be surprised to see they made another.  I suspect you could get
okay money at ebay for it.  I'm glad I have it but I could probably give it
up.  There's no one around for me to impress anymore.

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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:05:21 -0800


I know you are the people who can help me in this regard:

I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom
does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or needs the
world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist?

I have to believe that there are such organizations. If there are, someone
here knows about it.

Thanks in advance.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Hidden Identities
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:14:08 -0500


Thanks for the info.  I just listened to the album at lunchtime, and it's
not as bad as I had originally thought, but he's no Jimmy Smith.  By the
way, the illustration on the front of the album seems to suggest that "The
Mustang" was black.  Was Paul Griffin?  Or are we dealing with an assumption
that "funky" organ music had to be played by an African American?

> From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (exotica) Hidden Identities
>
> I'm almost sure that the Mustang was Paul Griffin, who died within the last
> year or so.  And if you see The Mustang Beatles record, pick it up; it's
> better than the other one I had.
>
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Subject: Re: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:26:00 -0500




> From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:05:21 -0800
> To: "Exotica" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
>
> I know you are the people who can help me in this regard:
>
> I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom
> does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or needs the
> world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist?
>
> I have to believe that there are such organizations. If there are, someone
> here knows about it.

I do not know the answer to this question.  But it put me in mind of a
humorous story from a professor of Russian language I once had who took
students every year to the Soviet Union.  On one trip a young Georgian man
had attached himself to the group, and in a quiet moment, the professor, who
is gay, asked the Georgian man (in Russian) where he might meet men like
himself in Tbilisi, a later stop on their trip.  To explain himself, the
professor had used the term "gomik," which is a shortened version of
"gomoseksualist," or homosexual.  The young man looked at him rather
confusedly, but thought a while, came up with an answer, and wrote the
address for him on a sheet of paper.  A little later one of the students
came over and said to the professor, "Man, that guy thinks you're really
weird!"  Turns out that the Georgian, whose Russian was passable but not
great, had understood the professor to say not "gomik" (gay man) but
"gnomik," which means "little dwarf."  The professor is over six feet tall,
but deciding not to quarrel with the man, the Georgian had given him the
address of a place in Tbilisi where circus performers gather!

My apologies for the off-topic story, but I couldn't help myself.
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:50:13 +0100 (CET)



citerar alan  zweig <[e-mail]>:


> I might not express myself like Magnus, who sometimes reminds me of a
young
> Brother Theodore (he's still alive isn't he?  Barely?)

Who is brother Theodore?

> So yes I can imagine poor Magnus hiding in his room, afraid to leave,
> afraid to be confronted by all the Boy Bands blaring from every
speaker.

Thanks for the compassion. I need it for the moment. I have slept
nearly the whole day, and with strange dreams. I dreamed of Eilert
Pilarm. He was out on my childhoods street, and a crowd had gathered.
Then my dog came running and he had hurt his paw. When I bent down to
help him he hit me deep into the flesh with his other paw. I dont like
those kind of dreams, but I have them all the time.

Did I ever tell you about a friend's Lee Hazelwood dream? He was out
walking, and suddenly faced a greek temple, he went inside and it was
full of light, and Lee Hazelwood records. The records were like 50
inches wide, and there were so many, so what began as a wonderful dream
for him (He collects Lee Hazelwood) turned into a collectors nightmare,
because he knew he could not bring home other than a little part of the
temples treasure. And he couldnt choose which ones to pick :)

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Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:55:06 -0800 (PST)



--- alan  zweig <[e-mail]> wrote:


> I find it very very curious that even though the
> vast majority of us do NOT
> look like rock n roll musicians, we still find it
> funny when some slightly
> overweight, balding character on television (or
> movies) makes a reference
> to rock music.

> You watch the Sopranos, you don't question that
> these guys see themselves
> as Rat Packers and think of Frank Sinatra as just
> this side of Jesus.
> On the other hand, I could imagine on a show like
> this which turns so many
> cliches on its side, they could have made more
> interesting musical choices.

Yes. Rock cannot be about rebellion and offending the
squares when us parental (and even grand-parental)
types) are blasting Joe Clay, Little Richard, Richard
Hell and Kurt Ka-bang. That's why these kids listen to
that insect-hearted machine music - to piss us off (
;^) ).

Sopranos-wise, I think the musical choices give us
some indication of context, or the character of the
characters (as Richman's Astral Plane did for - shall
I start it again? - Chuck and Buck). Bad 70s hard rock
and hippie fluff is often heard: Tony's 1st fainting
spell occurred as he was driving, listening and
singing along with Deep Purple, "Smoke on the Water."
These guys are very not about sensitivity of any sort
(or at least they are about concealing that
sensitivity). And Ex-Blue-eyes introduced,
appropriately, a major whacking, Godfather style.

But I would hate to be the one that turns this list
into a Sopranos discussion group... almost as
reprehensible as comparing record collecting to beanie
baby fever (evidence of the world authority of the
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:59:31 -0800 (PST)


I hope he did wake up to find he'd put his pillow up
on E-Bay with steep reserve.

--- Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

 a wonderful dream
> for him (He collects Lee Hazelwood) turned into a
> collectors nightmare,
> because he knew he could not bring home other than a
> little part of the
> temples treasure. And he couldnt choose which ones
> to pick :)


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Subject: RE: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:19:27 +0100


> I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom
> does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or
> needs the
> world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist?

Oh, that's an easy one, Ron: invite all members of the Exotica mailing list!

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Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:22:45 EST


In a message dated 3/15/1 3:00:14 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>>What I find amusing musically about the Sopranos is
>>that the Gandolfini character and his capi still
>>listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra (and speak
>>reverentially of the latter): after all, these guys
>>are  30 to 40 something years old, raised in an urban
>>environment in the Zeppelin-Sex Pistols era
>
>I think it would be a great idea for them to throw in a little Sex Pistols.
>I know it would be a big wink-wink thing but at the very least, I can
>imagine these guys listening to Springsteen.
>I find it very very curious that even though the vast majority of us do NOT
>look like rock n roll musicians, we still find it funny when some slightly
>overweight, balding character on television (or movies) makes a reference
>to rock music.

'Ey some of my best friends are Italian!...And Gandolfini's character
probably grew up as many urban Italians grew up in the Eastern U.S. They
listened to Frankie, Jerry, Dino, Sammy, Connie et al with the family (Pick
up "'Ey Paisano" on Rhino for a sampling). They listened to white boy
doo-woppers like Dion DiMucci, Frankie Valli and a million others as they
headed to the streets and toward puberty, and like Tony Mannero in "Saturday
Night Fever", they went shithouse over disco in the 7T's. Disco was as much
an Italian thing as it was black or gay. My friends in the North End still
make fun of rock from the 70's and early 80's... "Hey who's that playin',
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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine
Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:23:15 -0800 (PST)


Almost forgot: thank you for seeing through and
patching up the, errr, inscrutAble condition of my
virtual penmanship. I have become slovenly in my
craft.

--- Mimi Mayer <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Ben penned:
> Is there a message in this? Am I
> >too prone to suspecting inscrutable links and
> >correspondences (or did I eat a variety of things
> in
> >my malformative years that did not agree with me?)
> or
> >are there in fact thousands of Italian restaurants
> >with Fellini-inspired names?
>
> Weird synchronicity. Tonight I'm giving a reading at
> a cafe next door to La
> Dolce Vita, a coffee house with a liquor license.
> And on the day when
> Rota/Fellini crop up on the list. Coincidence,
> correspondence, or
> inscrutable mystery? You decide. Mimi
>
> Bullwinkle: Eenie weinie chili beanie, the sprits
> are about to speak.
> Rocky: Are they friendly spirits?
> Bullwinkle: Friendly? Just listen!
> [commercial break]
>
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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:42:34 -0800


Hehehhe... I thought of that already.

By the way, I should mention that I am particularly interested in a SF Bay
Area agency.

I have been soing some searches online, as well as consulting my handy-dandy
"reel guide" but to no avail yet.

Ron



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex
Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:50:48 -0500



> Sopranos-wise, I think the musical choices give us
> some indication of context, or the character of the
> characters (as Richman's Astral Plane did for - shall
> I start it again? - Chuck and Buck).

I finally saw Chuck And Buck last week - good movie, I've been humming that
stupid tune for a week now... (not Astral Plane, but the oodlyoodlyoodly
one...)

The show I've seen with the most interesting music lately is The Lone
Gunmen - not exotica, but good music nonetheless (sort of like the X-Files
used to play, back when it was good...)

And as for Jimmy B's Devo reference, I saw a really cool commercial
yesterday - playing Devo's "Beautiful World" - turned out it was for Target!

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:01:03 -0600



Ben Waugh wrote:

> Giulietta of the Spirits: very beautiful
> cinematography, and ST, if I recall correctly (it's
> been 10 years).


I quite agree.  Juliet of the Spirits is a *great* movie; I watch it
regularly.  It's available on DVD, and the OST is one of my all time
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:09:56 +0100




"m.ace" schrieb:

>
> I'm probably just a pushover, but I've always found ANY Fellini movie to be
> worth viewing. Even the "lesser" films.
>
> Prova d'orchestra (1979) [aka Orchestra Rehearsal]
> Allegorical single-set comedy w/ an orchestra descending into social
> disorder. Maybe a film soundtrack orchestra -- I can't remember that
> distinction. Some found it too obvious. I thought it was amusing.
>

this is the ONLY one I didn't like. too melodramatic for my taste.

Is there any Fellini film that Nino Rota DIDN'T make the music for?

Mo


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:08:59 +0100




Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

>
> Did Fellini do the film from the eighties about the italian Fred
> Astaire and Ginger Rogers impersonators? That was a nice one!
>

yes, Ginger and Fred, with Mastroianni and Guiletta Masina. great late work!

Mo

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again
Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:09:47 +0100




"m.ace" schrieb:

> Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from my post that was blocked
> the other week.
>
> Does anyone else have "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you
> think of it?

No, it's great. Not AS great as No.1, but if you're at least slightly a fan, you gotta have this. It has this little talk between Nancy and Lee, where he says, he's now going to Sweden etc. All Lee Hazlewood albums are kind of obscure, has any of them been reissued at all? I guess the most underestimated singer/songwriter of the 20th century HAS to be obscure.

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Subject: (exotica) Proof of Concept
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:35:02 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:26:04 +0100
>From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
>
>this reminds me that a friend of mine has been begging me for the last 3
>months to finish a certain dance remix of his band's tune.
>I took something like 3 hours to build a structure for 3 remix. Both I and
>the original artists (at least most of the band members) like it, the only
>trouble is that in 3 months I haven't been able to put a couple of small
>pieces in time and tune with all the rest.

This one is funny. Perhaps you should suggest that the band all
play in the same key. hehe

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Subject: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:35:00 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:36:16 -0500
>From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) The Problem with people who have a problem with Machines
>
>If someone hears a tune with lots of samples and says "Gee I'd like to hear
>some of the original tunes that were sampled", then I can understand that.
>But when someone says "I would PREFER to hear the original tune", I find
>that just bizarre.

It is the exact same feeling I get when I watch Ken Burns's Jazz
and I see a clip of Jelly Roll Morton playing the piano, and then
some "critic" starts talking over the top of it, and they cut
away to his head yakking away as Jelly Roll plays in the background.
I would rather hear Jelly Roll than the talking head. I would
rather hear Enoch Light than some kid standing in front of him
noodling with a sampler.

There is a TON of great music in this world. There is absolutely
no reason to "repackage" it. The music speaks for itself. People
who feel the need to make a musical statement should make their
own music. My suspicion is that they can't... that's why they
have to stand on the broad shoulders of musicians of the past
to make "their own point" with somebody else's music.

>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us
>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals.

I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original
music.

>IF you don't like the genre of music that often features sampling,
>so be it. But it seems to me that you're saying " I don't like
>this music because I philosophically oppose the very concept of
>sampling". To which I can only ask "On what basis"?

I require both musicality and musicianship from musicians. I
believe in music as a form of personal artistic expression. All
of those elements are lacking in music cobbled together from
bits of other people's music.

>Is it because you philosophically oppose the use of computers in
>the making of music?

No. An instrument is a tool. It is certainly possible to use
a computer to compose and perform great music. But the tool
is the least important part of great musicmaking.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:42:50 +0100 (CET)




Thanks for your recommendations, I choosed 'il Bidone', dont think
anyone mentioned it, but I checked Amazon and IMDB and it seemed to be
the perfect followup to Nights of Cabiria, also a film about loneliness
and even due to the transfer to dvd that were supposed to be great. Now
maybe you will even see Magnus turn into a Fellini collector as well.
This was also scored by Nino Rota.

Also choosed Jean Renoirs 'Grand Illusion', I saw it fifteen years ago,
remember I liked it alot but the movie will be a total surprise since
all I remember is Von Stroheims thing around his neck


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Subject: (exotica) Archie McPhee Spectaclock sale
Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:45:09 -0800



For those not on the AM mailing list, behold:

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They may be the coolest novelty clocks ever produced. The Spectaclocks

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but all
good things must come to an end and we are discontinuing the
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lowering the price from $34.95 to $24.95 and advertising it only
to cult
members. There are five styles left: Beach Scene, New Orleans
Jazz,
Fiesta, Classical Music and Ballet. These are in limited supply
and make
great gifts!
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Subject: (exotica) More clarifications
Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:00:23 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:35:13 +0100
>From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Songwriting
>
>Basically your arguments are the 19th century view on the art of the 20th
>century.  Almost all innovations of the last 100 years were accused of a
>lack of quality and craftmanship in the beginning.

I'm not entirely sure they weren't right when it comes to
fine art. In music, it is impossible to ignore the importance
of the development of Jazz. That is the single most important
creative development of the past 100 years. Filmmaking runs
second to that.

>the art and music of the last century - especially what we call Exotica -
>was heavily influenced by so called primitive arts.

You have to be kidding! Exotica music doesn't have anything
to do with primitive arts! You've been believing what they
say on those liner notes again. Exotica music is all a
midwestern vision of mysterious, but non-existent dark
continents and desert islands. It has more to do with
Xavier Cugat and Charlie Barnet than it does pygmies in the
Ituri forest. The people who played it wore wing tip shoes
and horn rim glasses, they didn't carry spears. It's a
fantasy, like Disneyland. But it's built on a foundation
of big band and small swing combos.

>You will have extreme difficulties to explain what good craftmanship is at
>all. Like f.i., wether the singing of Frank Sinatra is so good because it
>is so perfect - which it isn't - or because it shows expression, when he
>doesn't hit the right note all the time. Try to explain!

I'd be happy to discuss Sinatra. He had tons of skill, built up
with his years with Dorsey. He also had great musicality in the
middle part of his career. He kept going until he was a shadow
of himself though, so it's impossible to generalize about his
career. It divides into three clearly defined pieces... The
Columbia, Capitol and Reprise eras.

>You mention the
>Electric Light Orchestra, they could sing multi-vocally extremely well,
>better than the Beatles. Does it mean I have to like them more?

You missed my point there I think. I was saying that neither of
them were exceptional when it came to playing their instruments.
The thing that set the Beatles apart was their musicality and
songwriting ability. ELO didn't have that. I'm not saying that
craftsmanship is ALL you need. I'm saying that musicality without
musicianship is at best "half-good". It can be argued that the
Beatles improved their musicianship remarkably as time went
on, but it can also be argued that their musicality followed
an inverse curve to their musicianship. (I could draw that
idea clearer than I can say it... Picture an X laying on its
side... one line is musicality and one is musicianship...
do you understand?)

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Subject: (exotica) Whoops I'm An Indian
Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:02:02 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:05:13
>From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
>
>Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer

Have you heard Fannie Brice's original version?

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Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:02:57 -0800




>>Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer

>Have you heard Fannie Brice's original version?
>Steve

He will - I've included it on one of my exoticaring tapes.
BTW, Willner doesn't actually have the tune WIAI on the disc
(unless it's buried so deep I missed it).
He's using it for the concept of the lyric line "that's something
that I never was before" - in other words, that now he's a dance
music maker, something he never was before. Or at least that's
how I read it.

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From: buMp <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) mingo-go
Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:53:03 -0500


i was surprised to see (not really) former exotikitten miss jill mingo on
LuxuriaMusic.com yesterday
spinning her stuff without a mention of her appearence here on the list or
did i miss a posting???

i caught the last few seconds and managed to chat a few lines to her but
that was it.
i did read her impressive bio and happy to hear her doing so much,
but sorry i did not get to hear the show.
did anybody check it out?
does Luxuria have their shows archived yet?

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Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:17:55 EST



In a message dated 3/15/1 6:53:57 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Picture an X laying on its
>side... one line is musicality and one is musicianship...
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Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:21:25 EST



In a message dated 3/15/1 7:18:54 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>>Picture an X laying on its
>>side... one line is musicality and one is musicianship...
>>do you understand?)
>
>No...please explain?

Actually if anyone would attempt to differentiate between musicianship and
musicality (?) it would be welcome.......anything with "ity" always perplexes
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again
Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:41:29 -0600 (CST)



On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Moritz R wrote:

>
>
>
> "m.ace" schrieb: > > > Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from
> my post that was blocked > > the other week. > > > > Does anyone else have
> "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you > > think of it? > > No,
> it's great. Not AS great as No.1, but if you're at least slightly a fan,
> you gotta have this. It has this little talk between Nancy and Lee, where
> he says, he's now going to Sweden etc. All Lee Hazlewood > albums are kind
> of obscure, has any of them been reissued at all?

Most definitely.  Smells Like Records has
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:04:24 -0500


At 03:35 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
>
>>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us
>>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals.
>
>I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original
>music.

What the fuck do you mean by that?
(Sorry to everyone else but sometimes you have to swear).
I'm tired of arguing your other views.
But I really wonder what you mean by this "point".  Unless it's just the
kind of meaningless thing you say to someone online because it's easier to
be rude when the person's not standing there.
I'm not sure you know what sampling means.  Or how things are sampled.
Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any other way.  I
would assume that to be obvious but apparently not.
There's three piano notes at the beginning of some generic cha cha tune.
Someone takes that and repeats them and mixes in rhythm and gives it a
groove that I like and then moves on to twenty five other little samples
like that in the course of five minutes.
I say that I prefer that to the original which is actually the hundredth
version of "Frenesi" that I've heard and not my favorite version by a long
shot.
What praytell does that say about me?
Are you telling me that no matter what, you're sure that you'd prefer the
original?
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:05:01 -0500


At 03:35 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
>
>>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us
>>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals.
>
>I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original
>music.

What the fuck do you mean by that?
(Sorry to everyone else but sometimes you have to swear).
I'm tired of arguing your other views.
But I really wonder what you mean by this "point".  Unless it's just the
kind of meaningless thing you say to someone online because it's easier to
be rude when the person's not standing there.
I'm not sure you know what sampling means.  Or how things are sampled.
Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any other way.  I
would assume that to be obvious but apparently not.
There's three piano notes at the beginning of some generic cha cha tune.
Someone takes that and repeats them and mixes in rhythm and gives it a
groove that I like and then moves on to twenty five other little samples
like that in the course of five minutes.
I say that I prefer that to the original which is actually the hundredth
version of "Frenesi" that I've heard and not my favorite version by a long
shot.
What praytell does that say about me?
Are you telling me that no matter what, you're sure that you'd prefer the
original?
I know you're an absolutist but you can't possibly go that far.
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Subject: (exotica) The Problem with mechanical vampirism as a career choice
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:03:17 EST



In a message dated 3/14/01 3:34:48 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< >When I hear a song based on a sampled riff, it only makes me want
>to hear the source material. The creativity of chopping up someone
>else's work and slapping your own name on it is lost on me. It's
>musical vampirism as far as I'm concerned.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine played me some tune, I think it was by
Tony Mottola.  ...  The reason he was playing it was because the
opening riff of the tune was "sampled" and used as the opening riff of a
very familiar tune by, I think, Tipsy.
(If you know what i'm talking about here, please reply)

I know what you're talking about.
We're a little embarrassed about that one, ourselves. I have to admit that
there are a couple numbers on our first lp that are a
bit...ummm...derivative. However, I think we, and the musicians we work with,
do our best to create something that's different enough from our (many)
collage-sources that it can now stand on its own. It does take a lot more
effort than some people might think to make it all fit together.
Also, I have to agree with the luddite faction about most "techno beats".
They usually leave me cold, too.
Personally, I'm just trying to make music that I like, that the general
public can enjoy as well, using the tools available to me now. I'd like an
orchestra but I don't have access to one right now, and I'm a little clumsy,
myself.

<<Myself I just like what I like and I really could not give a rat's ass HOW
it was made.  >>

That's what matters, isn't it?
-dave


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Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:22:55 -0500


At 09:50 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
>
>Who is brother Theodore?

Somebody find a Brother Theodore website for Magnus.

There must be a better one than this one.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0499/brother.theodore1.asp

Or if you had $100 you could buy this on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415950137

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Subject: Re: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:25:11 -0500


At 12:05 PM 3/15/01 -0800, Ron Grandia wrote:
>
>I know you are the people who can help me in this regard:
>
>I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom
>does one turn

Have you actually contacted talent agencies?
There's no doubt that some freaks have agents.
And almost any theatrical CASTING agent would know how to find them.

AZ



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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:35:49 -0600




>  Paul Dean <[e-mail]>:
>
> > I quite agree.  Juliet of the Spirits is a *great* movie; I watch it

> > regularly.  It's available on DVD, and the OST is one of my all time

> > faves!
> >
> > paul dean
> >
>
> Do you have the dvd? I read soemwhere that it was not up to the
quality
> one would want? Or??? Should I buy it? I have not seen the film.
>
> Magnus

Yes, I have it .  Actually . . . it's out on loan, so I can't check at
the
moment, but the quality has never bothered me.

It's a gorgeous technicolor fantasy, the world and Juliet's imagination
are constantly intermingled.  Amazing sets and clothes and music . . .
one
of my favorite Fellinis.  Critics seem to have dismissed it as being too

overboard, but that's what makes it for me.

You should definitely see it.  Yes, you should buy it!


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Subject: RE: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:44:23 -0800




>>Have you actually contacted talent agencies?
There's no doubt that some freaks have agents.
And almost any theatrical CASTING agent would know how to find them.<<

I thought of this, too - but I had assumed casting agents might be a little
tight with info.  No harm in trying, I s'pose.

Thanks.

Ron




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Subject: (exotica) (Exotica) Brother Theodore
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:50:31 EST



In a message dated 3/15/01 5:21:14 PM, [e-mail] writes:
<< At 09:50 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
>Who is brother Theodore?
Somebody find a Brother Theodore website for Magnus.
There must be a better one than this one.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0499/brother.theodore1.asp
Or if you had $100 you could buy this on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415950137 >>

How about this one?
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/8135/

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Subject: (exotica) Tipsy review from Aquarius records
Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:55:57 -0500



TIPSY  "Uh-Oh!"  (Asphodel)  cd  14.98
       It would be easy to dismiss this record as more nostalgic
"space age bachelor pad" music tailor-made for today's
Cosmopolitan-imbibing yuppies, but Tipsy deserve more than that.
Sure, they're obviously huge fans of such acknowledged geniuses as
early synth experimentalists / producers Raymond Scott, Joe Meek, and
Perrey & Kingsley, as well as exotica pros Arthur Lyman, Martin
Denny, and Les Baxter. All of those folks made their mark in the
sixties or prior, but the smartasses in Tipsy know that while
imitation is the sincerest flattery, it don't get you much street
cred. So their weirdly successful millenial take on that music is to
mix it up, layering genre upon genre, psychedelic synthesizer
alongside birdcalls, squeaky toys, vintage organs, and inspired
percussion. They do it pretty damn well. The sound is sometimes a
little too exotica-"on-acid", and one occasionally feels the need to
be more aurally challenged, as if they're some Holiday Inn bar band
wasting their lives playing the tongue-in-cheek theme to I Dream of
Jeannie when they're obviously capable of much more. (With esteemed
Willie Winant,  Joe Gore, and Ralph Carney guesting -- all of whom
have turned in more challenging music than this -- you KNOW Tipsy is
capable of more.) Nonetheless, you'd probably be better off listening
to this than most of the other dreck that passes for "lounge music"
these days. Fans of Cornelius and most of the artists mentioned above
will likely appreciate this record.
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Subject: (exotica) Freak Casting
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:44:01 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:05:21 -0800
>From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show)
>
>I know you are the people who can help me in this regard:
>
>I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom
>does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or needs the
>world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist?

There is an agency that specializes in that. I can't remember the
name of the lady who operates it, but she should be easy to find.
Just check the casting section of the Hollywood Reporter Bluebook,
or the LA Work Book.

See ya
Steve

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Subject: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:44:02 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:04:24 -0500
>From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism
>
>At 03:35 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
>>
>>>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us
>>>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals.
>>
>>I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original
>>music.
>
>What the fuck do you mean by that?

I meant that if you can say that you "probably hate" the music
used as samples, it means you are judging the music based by
something other than the quality of the music itself. A sample
is *by definition* taken out of context... There's no way of
telling whether the original context was valid or not. All of
the original meaning has been stripped away. The only way you
could possibly say that you hate something without hearing it
in its original context is if you are talking about your own
personal musical tastes. (ie: I don't like orchestral music,
or I don't like black funk from the 70's.) That says more
about you and your tastes than it does about the quality
of the music being sampled. I didn't intend that as an
insult or value judgement. I have personal tastes too, but
that isn't what I am talking about when I say that most
older music is better than most new music.

>Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any
>other way. I would assume that to be obvious but apparently not.

I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. If something is good
enough to steal to use in ones' own song, it must have some sort
of value. I've heard songs using sampled elements from everything
from Prez Prado to James Brown. None of them do anything remotely
as good with it as Prez Prado or James Brown did when they created
the original music. Even the late 70's funk groove samples in
hip-hop and dance music are better in their original Funkadelic
or Rick James versions than they are in the meandering, loopy,
structureless, sampled versions.

>Are you telling me that no matter what, you're sure that you'd
>prefer the original?

Every time I've heard a sample of music that I am familiar
with in its original context, I've found that I get more
out of it in its original context than in it's chopped and
minced form. Based on that, I guess the answer to your
question would be yes.

Filmmaking is no different. I can't tell you how many
documentaries and "creative montages" I've turned the channel
on because I would rather see the source material in its
original form than have to sit through flashy videos with a
"head cheese" approach to editing. Documentaries about film
and music are the worst in this regard. It's astounding to
me that someone could do a documentary on... say for instance
Orson Welles... and then proceed to chop up and re-edit Welles's
work to make it fit some synthesizer score they made up for it.
Ken Burns should have presented full performances of great
Jazz songs. Even without comment, 4 hours of straightforward
music would have said more about the importance of Jazz in
America than the 17 hours of blather and bleeding chunks of
performances he did present.

The problem is, no one believes in letting the original creator
have control of the context that his work is seen in any more.
If you're dead and gone, some "director" or "musician" is
going to come along and "express his own creativity" all over
your work. I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful,
and a distortion of the original artist's intention.

I think this is all going to change when copyright laws
finally allow anyone to release works from the thirties
and forties in their original context without paying ransom
to MCA, Time-Warner and Viacom. The current corporate
owners of classic music and films know that they can never
compete with the standards of quality of the past. That's why
they under-exploit old music and film or only release them
in castrated slice and dice form. CDs of Furtwangler in the
40's or videos of Fats Waller's Soundies are head and
shoulders above Andrew Lloyd Weber or rock videos on VH1,
but the corporations will never give them the same marketing
push. In the few exceptions to this, (ie: the Wizard of Oz,
Gone With the Wind, Disney animated features) huge franchises
have been built on the presentation of older works. There's no
reason why this couldn't be done on a wider scale... except
that it would make the new cranked out crap look bad by
comparison.

As a culture, we only remember what they let us remember.

See ya
Steve


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Subject: (exotica) [obits] Joe Chisholm,Glenn Hughes,Benny Martin,Richard Stone
Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:12:48 -0500


Joe Chisholm

Jazz dancer and acrobat who combined speed with elegance

Terry Monaghan
Monday March 12, 2001
The Guardian

The career of the American jazz dancer and acrobat, Joe Chisholm, who has
died of cancer aged 75, began in 40s Harlem, took in many of the great swing
bands, and flourished in Britain in the late 60s and 70s. Chisholm could
bring an audience to him through jokes, impossibly fast cane moves, and
elegant tap dance, all used in rapid succession, and influenced by his
experience with the Crackerjacks black acrobatic act during the second world
war.
Hip hop's roots can be traced back to the likes of the Crackerjacks. They
incorporated different strands of European and Arabic tumbling traditions
into jazz dance, astonishing their original mentors and audiences when they
toured Europe with their ability to always hit the beat while executing and
completing somersaults.

Born in Brooklyn, the teenage Chisholm made weekly treks on the A-train to
Harlem's Savoy Ballroom, where he imbibed the litany of swing through
evenings of hard lindy-hopping. In 1942, he formed an act with Jimmie
"Tricky" Field and, in keeping with the then new cool ethos, they left
behind the boisterous acrobatics and adopted a studied, nonchalant style.
The new act lasted only a short while - Field was drafted - but a booking at
Harlem's Apollo brought Chisholm to the notice of the Crackerjacks, who were
looking for a new cane exponent, and Chisholm spent four years with the
group. His baton-whirling provided another dimension to the group
performance.

He then turned solo and and had no problem finding work with some of the top
bands of the time. From the mid-1950s he toured America, Europe and the
Pacific Rim. His reputation led him to a revival of the Cotton Club Revue,
featuring the Cab Calloway Orchestra.

In 1968, Chisholm joined the musical, Lady Be Good, with Lionel Blair at
London's Saville Theatre. He later appeared in the royal variety show,
Bubbling Brown Sugar, the Al Jolson Story - and on the northern club
circuit.

Chisholm briefly returned to the US in 1972 but, back in Britain, joined an
American expatriate jazz dance group. Later, a small-scale revival of the
Cotton Club Revue enabled him to exert his charm on larger audiences again.

By the mid-1980s, arthritis forced him to give up cane whirling, but he
continued performing, even when it was only lunchtime spots in senior
citizens' day centres.

Joe Chisholm, dancer and acrobat, born April 25 1925; died January 30 2001
-------
Glenn Hughes, the leather-clad biker from campy 70's disco sensations 'The
Village People', died March 4th at age 50.

A performer to the end, Mr. Hughes reportedly requested to be buried in the
leather and chain biker garb that he made famous as a member of the most
flamboyant band of the disco era.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ws/20010312/en/village_people_s_leatherman_dies
_1.html
----------
Bluegrass master fiddler Benny Martin died  3/13/01, of congestive
heart failure at age 72. He was a veteran who had played with many seminal
groups, including Bill Monroe's Blue Grass Boys and Flatt & Scruggs. He also
fiddled on country records by Roy Acuff, Kitty Wells and others.
-------
Thursday, March 15, 2001

Richard Stone; Won Emmys as Composer of Cartoon Music

By ELAINE WOO, L.A. Times Staff Writer

    Richard Stone, an Emmy-winning composer of cartoon music for such Warner
Bros. series as "Animaniacs" and "Pinky & the Brain," died of pancreatic
cancer Friday at his West Hills home. He was 47.
     Stone was widely considered the modern-day successor of Carl Stalling,
the legendary composer who wrote hundreds of wacky musical scores for such
Warner Bros. classics as "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" from the late
1930s to the 1950s. Stone helped to revive the Stalling tradition of using a
full orchestra, synchronizing the music to characters' movements and
employing musical effects to convey the Warner brand of cartoon humor--witty
without being cute.
     He even composed on the same studio Steinway and conducted on the same
stage that Stalling used.
     "I always try to keep the Stalling language going," he once told Daily
Variety. "If something falls without a piano glissando, it doesn't fall.
     "We still use the xylophone for an eye blink and we still play 'The
Lady in Red' when a character wears a red dress. We do this to honor Carl
Stalling, but also to keep conversant with the Warner Bros. tradition."
     Stone grew up in Philadelphia watching "Looney Tunes" cartoons. He was
exposed to music through his father, who played the piano, and his maternal
grandfather, a music critic for the Philadelphia Inquirer.
     Stone studied cello and music theory at the Curtis Institute and
Indiana University. After moving to California in 1980, he worked as a music
editor for Maurice Jarre and other composers, then scored several movies,
including the cult classics "Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat" and
"Pumpkinhead."
     Although faithful to the Stalling legacy, Stone's cartoon music
incorporated other styles, including rock 'n' roll, jazz, country and show
tunes. Since 1994, he had won seven Emmys: two for the theme songs of
"Animaniacs" and "Freakazoid," and five for music direction and composition
on "Animaniacs" and "Histeria!"
     He also wrote the themes for "Pinky & the Brain," "Taz-Mania," "Road
Rovers" and "The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries."
     He is survived by two sons, Richard and Michael; a brother, David, of
Burbank; a sister, Bonnie Sunstein, of Iowa City, Iowa; and his mother,
Janet, of Jenkintown, Pa.
     Donations may be made to the Pancreatic Cancer Action Network, P.O. Box
1010, Torrance, CA 90505.




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Subject: (exotica) Giulietta and Livia Soprano
Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:36:04 -0800


The DVD of Fellini's Juliet of the Spirits is beautiful eye and ear candy.
I've seen it on the shelves in Border's B&M for $13, Amazon says its
unavailable, who knows? Unfortunately the sound is in occasionally harsh
mono instead of stereo, but if you like hats, this is the movie to see.
Fellini's Roma and Satyricon are scheduled for release on April 10, $14 at
Amazon pre-order. Slept through Satyricon years ago and have never seen Roma
so I have no opinion, you decide. The unreleased Fellini movie I REALLY want
to see is "The Temptation of Dr. Antonio" segment of Boccacio '70, where a
billboard with Anita Ekberg (advertising milk)comes to life - the attack of
the 50-foot bombshell! Since it was condemned by the Catholic Legion of
Decency, it was a must-see for this lad of 15. So I'm older than Colleen and
younger than Larry.

And how about that Russian housekeeper making off with dead Livia Soprano's
huge record collection? Janice Soprano got very upset, because they were all
in "mint" condition. Svetlana wouldn't give em back (cuz they were probably
on eBay),so Janice swiped her artificial leg.

Which reminds me and I'll recommend it here for about the 4th time, James
Gandolfini has a funny supporting role in Perdita Durango aka Dance with the
Devil, one of my favorite DVD's with Oscar-nominee Javier Bardem, Rosie
Perez, and Screamin Jay Hawkins passing the hat at the Santeria services.
They blast Tijuana Taxi on the radio while low-riding through, where else,
Tijuana.
A review:
  http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?id=525

Screamin J Psychotronic, off to watch Flash Gordon who is on his way to the
planet Mongo. Man, two exotica digests a day, it's never been this busy in
the 5 years I've been around.







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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 16 Mar 2001 01:16:06 -0500


At 08:44 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
>
>I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. If something is good
>enough to steal to use in ones' own song, it must have some sort
>of value.

Yes it has value.  Being "good" and having value are not the same thing.
If I take a record and melt it and make it into an ashtray, it had value.
That doesn't mean I would have enjoyed listening to it.  In fact, obviously
I didn't.

I can't believe I'm still arguing with you.

I guess I have nothing better to do than to let your black and white
pronouncements push my buttons.

Here's a classic:

>Filmmaking is no different.  I would rather see the source material in its
>original form than have to sit through flashy videos with a
>"head cheese" approach to editing. Documentaries about film
>and music are the worst in this regard. It's astounding to
>me that someone could do a documentary on... say for instance
>Orson Welles... and then proceed to chop up and re-edit Welles's
>work to make it fit some synthesizer score they made up for it.

So I guess your approach would be:
1) Don't make a film about the "artist" at all.
OR
2) Everytime you refer to one of their films/musical performances, you
don't show anything or play anything.  You simply tell the viewer where
they can rent the video/buy the record you're referring to.
or
3) The only good biography of Orson Welles would be about 50 hours long
because it would have to include every film he directed or acted in, in its
entirety.

If you want to say "I don't like seeing excerpts", that's fine.  But to say
that the excerpt is inherently superior is... what's a nice way of saying
"retarded".  Mentally challenged.
Have you ever seen a movie where IN the movie, they watch TV?  I guess
you're the guy saying "Hey wait a second.  Don't cut away to the next
scene.  I want to see the rest of that TV show".

I just keep thinking "The guy's kidding".
Or some friend of mine has hired you to push my buttons.
Or maybe BJ has come back as a man.

Let me see if you've got this straight.  You never like to see "clips".
You never like to hear "excerpts".  When you go to the theatre and they
show previews, you're thinking "Either show us the whole damn movie or
nothing at all".

Maybe you've painted yourself into a corner with this position you're
trying to defend.  If you were to say that there's a kind of music that
often uses "samples" and generally you don't like that kind of music,
nobody could argue with that.
But to say that the original is always superior to the thing which samples
it, is just stubborn and unsupportable.
What about spoken word samples?
If you listen to a lot of these musical pieces which sample bits and pieces
off records, you will come across a lot of bits of spoken word, originating
in many cases from old instructional records, stereo test records,
self-help, motivational, Christian records etc.
Just imagine such a piece of music.  Then imagine one of the stereo test
records.  "This should be coming from your left speaker".

Which do you think you'd rather listen to?

If your answer is "the stereo test record" then I promise you, I won't
argue with you ever again.

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From: Christine Karkow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......
Date: 15 Mar 2001 23:10:02 -0800



> If Lenny Dee works well for washing dishes and paying bills, I wonder
> how he'll be for grading papers--guess I'll give it a try.
>
> Clayton
   Yes, he is good for grading papers too...

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music
Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:44:42 +0100 (CET)



citerar alan  zweig <[e-mail]>:

>
> At 09:50 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
> >
> >Who is brother Theodore?
>
> Somebody find a Brother Theodore website for Magnus.

Theodore, whose grisly humor starts out where Charles Addams' leaves
off, refuses to be labeled monologist, raconteur, actor, pantomimist,
Grand Guignol, or any specific type of entertainer. Actually, he's a
combination of all, and his macabre and disconcerting humor has had
audiences from California to New York alternately shuddering and
rolling in the aisles.

Theodore describes himself modestly as a "genius of the sinister."
Others have tried to define his one-man show as "a combination of S.J.
Perelman and Boris Karloff or Peter Lorre and the four Marx Brothers."
In fact, no definition can be quite accurate.


I am quite pleased Alan :)
tank yo

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Poetic Justice
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:22:37 +0100




bigshot schrieb:

> >Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any
> >other way. I would assume that to be obvious but apparently not.
>
> I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. If something is good
> enough to steal to use in ones' own song, it must have some sort
> of value.

yes, but only because it gets a value in the new context as a sample. your answer only shows that you simply don't know how (electronic) musicians work today: I would guess that most samples come out of really obscure sources that you wouldn't want to listen to entirely. all they have is a weird little phrase that some musician believes to be valuable for a track s/he's working on. Of course one could try to rerecord that exact sound or phrase, but it would be a senseless effort, just as if you'd want to paint something, when a photo would serve the same needs. Sometimes, according to Dave, musicians just can't afford an entire orchestra, so sampling can also be seen as a form of poetic justice.

Mo

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Subject: (exotica) fellini again - Intervista
Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:41:04 -0000


Is this the one where they're making a film with Mastrionni, and decide to
go and visit Anita Ekberg up in her hideaway in the hills?  That scene is so
beautiful,  they're all in their fifties, dissipated, sitting around, and
someone throws a sheet up into the air and it hangs there while the fountain
scene from La Dolce Vita is projected onto it,  with everyone young and
beautiful,  and then the sheet is whipped away again.
Absolutely magical,  one of my favourite pieces of film, and my first
Fellini moment.

Apologies for my poor spelling of Italian names..
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mace say:
Intervista (1987)
A fanciful look back at his film career. Some may find it a bit too dewy
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From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) KPM - list
Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:54:51 -0000


Does anyone know where I can find a definitive (or a close to) list of the
very collectable
KPM releases from the late 60s/early 70s?

De Wolfe, Amphonic & Telemusic would also be good.

Thanks

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Subject: (exotica) Re: nancy's narrative
Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:15:35 +0100




"m.ace" schrieb:

>
> Just wondering... in Nancy Sinatra's narrative on that DVD, does she sa=
y
> anything about her short haircut on a couple of the songs? It makes me
> wonder if her long hair was a wig. Or if those songs were shot later th=
an
> the rest of the songs.

I can't remember hearing anything about that. She does mention her "stupi=
d hair" a couple of times though; I guess she takes for granted that peop=
le can tell when it's a wig, although I must say, her own hair does prett=
y much look like a wig most of the time. The short hair is definitely a w=
ig and that glam hair-do in the scenes with Deano too. You can best see w=
hat's her own hair in that sequence with Sammy Davis in the photo studio.=
 She's mentioning how much trouble in public they got for the little kiss=
 you can see at the end of the photo shooting. Hard to belive today... On=
e of the things mentioned in the narrative is that they burnt 475.000 Roy=
al Crown Cola $$ for the entire show, that's an incredible amout of money=
 for '67. Still they often state, they couldn't afford this, couldn't aff=
ord that - shooting 35 mm f.i. The film looks pretty damn well for 16 mm,=
 I must say, incredible material. And Nancy says that Friday's Child is h=
er favorite Lee song.

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From: Piero Cavina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:11:19 +0100


At 17.21 15/03/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:

>It is of significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good,
>there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it.

(...)

>Any other Fellini recommendations?

I think that many Nino Rota soundtracks for Fellini would be of interest to
the members of this list. Cam Original Soundtracks
(http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/) has reissued most of them is a
series of excellent (and affordable) CDs.

Besides the well-known works like "La dolce vita" and "Amarcord", I would
recommend "Casanova", one of Fellini's most underrated movies from the 70s,
which is instead an incredible visual experience, and has one of the best
Rota's scores ever. I can't wait for a DVD of it.




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Subject: (exotica) Lee and Nancy films
Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:33:30 +0100 (CET)





Some Lee Hazelwood videos has been released in Sweden:
Cowboy in Sweden, =95 Lee & Nancy in Las Vegas =95 M=E5 v=E5rt hus f=F6rs=
konas=20
fr=E5n tigrar (in eng. May our house be safe fom Tigers)

They can probably be purchased from www.klubbsuper8.com, write them a=20
mail, they are passionate about these things.=20

Its PAL

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Subject: (exotica) nancy and lee again again
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:34:26 -0000


I have an LP called 'Did you ever' (white cover), by Nancy and Lee that has
Lee mocking his own guitar playing and ending with him saying 'can I go back
to Sweden now?',  scrambling footsteps and a door (or was that my
imagination?).  Apart from 'Did you ever?', which is an OK double entendre
hit from my childhood,  it has 'Down from Dover', and 'Red balloon' which I
really rate.
Its funny but I now have a few of Hazlewoods solo LP's and the LP's with
Nancy, and I find  the Lee and Nancy LP's tend to have darker stuff.  As
well as the really light pop music.  A contrast which I don't find in his
own records.  Not to the same extent.
I'm garbling, better go do some work.
Mo,  most of Lees LP's have been re-issued (legitimately!) on Sounds Like
Records in the last couple of years.  Vinyl and CD.  And a new LP last year
(I'm not even going to think about the title without it in front of me).


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No, it's great. Not AS great as No.1, but if you're at least slightly a fan,
you gotta have this. It has this little talk between Nancy and Lee, where he
says, he's now going to Sweden etc. All Lee Hazlewood albums are kind of
obscure, has any of them been reissued at all? I guess the most
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Subject: (exotica) Mary Mayo
Date: 16 Mar 2001 13:51:58 +0100 (CET)





This is how Mary Mayo looked in 1951:
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From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Sampling (again)
Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:52:54 -0500


Alan wrote:
>Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any other way.  I
>would assume that to be obvious but apparently not.
>There's three piano notes at the beginning of some generic cha cha tune.
>Someone takes that and repeats them and mixes in rhythm and gives it a
>groove

Excellent point!

This is a tangent, but I can't help thinking about the struggle
photography had when it was young, to be accepted as a true art form.
Compared to painting & drawing, some critics thought it was just
cheating, because photographers weren't doing any "real" work--they
were just mechanically recording something Out There.

Of course today I think people recognize that photographers actually
go through an *enormous* process of searching, selecting, framing,
contextualizing, finding the "decisive moment," bending the technical
rules to heighten emotional impact, etc.

In the end photography is hardly any "easier" than sitting down with
a blank piece of paper and drawing something. It's interesting to
think about how many of those points translate directly to the art of
sampling.

Mo and Magnus will also point out that photography certainly did not
kill off drawing and painting! We have both. And we can appreciate
both, each on their own terms. . .

Peace, man,
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From: Peter Gingerich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Filmmaking / Fellini
Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:21:13 -0500



Okay yet another thread that won't die.

As for sampling in filmmaking, I LOVE found film and collage stuff, ie what
Bruce Conner does with old softcore, industrial films, atomic bomb footage-
like in the classic 'America is Waiting' (music by Byrne/Eno) piece, or
stuff in the Devo vid for 'Beautiful World' or whatever.

Or for that matter art age from the early 20th century- Max Ernst
deconstructions of old novels, Picasso with newspaper, any of the german
stuff critical of WW1 and industrialism blah blah

I have more of a problem when the references are hidden or cloaked-
ie, Tarantino referencing all sorts of early movies (like 'Point Blank in
'Pulp Fiction')- do you have to get the references to enjoy the movie?
Is it a sign of noncreativity? or an ironic creativity?

Oh yeah, Fellini- I recommend 'Spirits of the Dead' a trilogy of 3 directors
(Vadim, watch the lovely B. Bardot get her back whipped; Malle, a ho-hummer
featuring Alain Delon, and finally with Terence Stamp (ugh) toodling around
in a red ferrari, but there is a great surreal middle part involving an
awards ceremony and awesome organ music from master Rota.....you wont even
need the bong hits for this one....see below for a little snippet revies
from imdb)

thanx for reading
pg

Which is as anyone approaching the final story should be. This is dystopic,
nihilist theatre at its best. While certainly some of Fellini's traditional
themes/images are evident (paparazzi, tragically and _almost_ unbelievably
unfulfilled people, and gaudy overpainted women) this segment is an
orgiastic zero which filled me with disgust and awe. In some ways, this is
the section that is both the most cinematically impressive and the most
repugnantly ego-centric. Poe did not live in the time of Ferrari's,
airports, televisions and escalators, and yet this 'videodromesque' segment
is squarely set in the 1970s. On the other hand, the Ferrari substitutes
nicely for a horse, and melting TV screens will work as substitutes for
Poe's affected prose. Since Poe was, after all, a drunk who was received
much better in Europe than in the U.S. (believe it or not), I think Fellini
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From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) KPM - list
Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:52:33 +0100


This is my "amateur KPM discograpgy". Hardly comprehensive, but better than
nothing...

KPM  1028    lp    1968    Various    Miniature moods
KPM  1085    lp    1971    Merrick Farran,W./E. Vetter    Electronic music
KPM  1092    lp    1971    Scott,Johnny    Todays achievements/Topical events
KPM  1127    lp    1973    Various    Happy rainbows
KPM  1243    lp    1980    Vorhaus,Dave    The Vorhaus sound experiments
KPM  1245    lp    198?    Various    Archive series vol.1:light atmosphere
KPM  1246    lp    198?    Various    Archive series vol.2:drama
KPM  1297    lp    198?    Various    Archive series vol.3:light hearts
KPM  1298    lp    1983    Various    Archive series vol.4:newsreels

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From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) KPM - list
Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:11:32 -0000


Does anyone know where I can find a definitive (or a close to) list of the
very collectable
KPM releases from the late 60s/early 70s?

De Wolfe, Amphonic & Telemusic would also be good.



Good luck! You're going to find this very very very difficult. For instance
I know that certain numbers on the Montparnasse series are excellent. No 7
is blinding. But one man's blinding is another man's disco crap. Whenever
I've been offered library records that I've been recommended, I would always
insist on a listen first - even over the phone.

And most dealers I know that collect and sell library LPs know that they
sell for a LOT! So you won't find them cheap unless you search and search.
I'd be keen for selling all mine for 'dealer' prices now because most of
them only have one or two good tracks on


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Subject: Re: (exotica) nancy and lee again again
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:17:20 -0500



>I have an LP called 'Did you ever' (white cover), by Nancy and Lee that has
>Lee mocking his own guitar playing and ending with him saying 'can I go back
>to Sweden now?',  scrambling footsteps and a door (or was that my
>imagination?).  Apart from 'Did you ever?', which is an OK double entendre
>hit from my childhood,  it has 'Down from Dover', and 'Red balloon' which I
>really rate.

Interesting... sounds like that album is "Nancy & Lee Again" retitled for
the hit (UK-only hit?). And you remember the ending correctly. That's "Got
It Together".

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From: buMp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500


>I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful,
>and a distortion of the original artist's intention.


that is funny, i feel it is the total opposite.
i sample things i have great respect for.
i am not distorting the original artist's intention because with sound
collages,
I am the artist, with an intention of making a interesting piece of work
out of many.
the sampled item is the means, not the end, therefore there is no way i can
be distorting any other artists intention since that has nothing to do with
what i am doing.
their piece remains their piece in all its glory.
mine, obviously, will have my intention, glorious or not.
i don't feel sampling is illegal or stealing.
some of us are not musicians and will never be, but technology and taste
has evolved
(or devolved, however you wanna stand on it) to a point we can make music
using existing sounds we find exciting no matter where they come from.
i would like to think it takes some sort artistic talent, and appreciation
to do this.
as with everything it can be done badly or uncreatively
but it can also be done wonderfully with genius. (my props to tipsy dave
once again)
my point is that everything is its own entity, which cannot be distorted.
to think that i am, is distorting MY intentions as a artist or creator.

on the other hand.
sampled music does not have to be made of other music either,
it could be sampled noise, speech etc.
am i distorting the intention of nature when i sample a thunderstorm?
or the distorting the intention of the trashman when i sample his trash
truck munching garbage?
probably so, and what does it matter?

i am about celebrating sounds, not disrespecting them.

its early and i have had no sleep
excuse my intention of trying to communicate.

cheers y'all
bump

ps.  i do agree wholeheartedly about your documentary film opinions.

pss. what about words and the intentions of authors???
what if i use a part of a sentence from a William Burroughs story
to create a lyric in a song or the title of a track? is this illegal or
disrespectful?  don't think so.
he could have created it from a cut up (sample) from someone elses book.
Brion Gysin maybe!

i really gotta stop now.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) fellini again - Intervista
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:18:42 -0500



>Is this the one where they're making a film with Mastrionni, and decide to
>go and visit Anita Ekberg up in her hideaway in the hills?

Yes.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:22:48 -0500



>Besides the well-known works like "La dolce vita" and "Amarcord", I would
>recommend "Casanova", one of Fellini's most underrated movies from the
>70s, which is instead an incredible visual experience, and has one of the
>best Rota's scores ever. I can't wait for a DVD of it.

Oh yeah! I blanked out on that one. It has an amazing intentionally stagy
look. Very lavish. It got a bad critical reception, but who cares.

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From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) KPM - list
Date: 16 Mar 2001 07:45:42 -0800



>This is my "amateur KPM discograpgy". Hardly comprehensive, but better than
>nothing...

>KPM  1243    lp    1980    Vorhaus,Dave    The Vorhaus sound experiments


this one interests me a bit. Dave Vorhaus was the man behind White Noise
which put out one my all time fav electronic albums called "An Electrical
Storm" . I didnt know he did anything else after White Noise. Looks like the
search is on!! 1980 is right about at my cutoff date for a lot of electronic
music I listen to other than Kraftwerk.  Thanks Marco!!!

I have a couple of KPM comps and for the most part they are very good.

love that Alan Hawkshaw!!

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Subject: (exotica) [obits] assorted links
Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:04:45 -0500


http://lonnieglosson.com/lg.htm
Lonnie Glosson
Mr. Harmonica
14 February 1908 - 2 March 2001
==================
http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/news/articles/1441608/20010313/story.jhtml
Glenn Hughes ,Village People
========
http://www.latimes.com/obituary/20010311/t000021506.html
Frankie Carle; Big Band Leader
====
http://www.country.com/music/news/newswire/benny-martin-0301-f.html
Fiddler Supreme Benny Martin Dead at 72
======
http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010312/t000021830.html
T. McMichael; Last of the Merry Macs Founders
===
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/doc/1047/1:METRO21A/1:METRO21A0313101.html
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From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus
Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:08:41 -0000


The man himself did three White Noise LPs - An Electric Storm in Hell is
superb!

He also worked at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop and is a pioneer of
electronic music. Lots of TV/BBC noises were down to him including the Dr
Who theme (I think) - not as composer but as a provider of eerie sounds.

That KPM LP is one of several by him.

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Subject: (exotica) KPM ambisonic recordings
Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:34:03 -0500


http://personal.riverusers.com/~manderso/uhjdisc/ambikpm.htm
Here's the URL for a short discography of KPM Ambisonic (a surround sound process) recordings.

Try this for more links:
http://www.google.com/search?q=kpm+discography

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From: Bonita Kelso <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:58:01 -0800 (PST)


In the middle of all this discussion about the ins and
outs of sampling, I heard the most wonderful, horrible
thing on the radio (I was twiddling around. That's my
excuse):

Some unknown rap artist (if anyone knows who, holler)
yapping about his own bad ghetto stud self over a
slowed down (think a 45 RPM played at 33 1/3) version
of Herb Alpert's "Rise."

Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME.


When I record MY hardcore rap EP I'm gonna use the
Living Marimbas at 16 RPM!

still amazed, Li'l Bonita

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From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus
Date: 16 Mar 2001 18:08:12 +0100


Charles wrote:

> The man himself did three White Noise LPs - An Electric Storm in Hell is
> superb!

THe latest issue of Record Collector (a British magazine) has a review of
'Sound mind' by White Noise V. Apparently a failry recent release by
Vorhaus. The 'V' stand for five, I guess - so maybe there are five White
Noise albums?

> That KPM LP is one of several by him.

Correct. Brian Karasick sent me a tape of another one (I have the 'Sound
experiments' myself). Brian, what was the title of that album?

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From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mary Mayo
Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:09:36 -0800 (PST)


I read the liner notes on the back of a clasical record, with a
rather dressed up picture (shakespearian) of Mary Mayo and 2
other classical singers.  M M had a career as a classical singer
and
appeared on late night talk shows, like Jack Paar according to
these notes.

Is Mary Mayo still alive?

Besides Moon Gas, one of my all time favorite albums, what else
is M M on that is cool?

Thanks
Chuck


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Subject: RE: (exotica) Mary Mayo
Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:34:04 -0000


You know what - I'm pretty sure that Mary Mayo is one of the Hillside
Singers - a mushy religious LP I bought in Florida. I'd like to teach the
world to sing in perfect harmony, etc etc.

I'll check this weekend.

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Subject: RE: (exotica) Mary Mayo
Date: 16 Mar 2001 18:49:47 +0100 (CET)



citerar Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>:

>
> You know what - I'm pretty sure that Mary Mayo is one of the Hillside
> Singers - a mushy religious LP I bought in Florida. I'd like to teach
the
> world to sing in perfect harmony, etc etc.
>
> I'll check this weekend.



I bidded on a record call "The MGM strings" the singer was Mary Mayo, I
didnt know anything about it, but I had a hunch it was good, and often
my hunches are correct, at least for me. So anyone who has it please
tell me cause the record was long gone.

She recorded three christmas albums as well, I have tried to locate
some copies but still none.

Moon Gas is one of my favorites too, Chuck. It is truly fantastic.

Magnus


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From: Piero Cavina <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:14:44 +0100


At 19.45 15/03/01 +0100, Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek wrote:

>Andr=E9 Popp did a cover version of one of the tunes from that movie. I'd=
 have
>to look up the title, but it was written by Nino Rota.

Snakefinger did a cover too, the tune was "Shining faces".


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From: Piero Cavina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:14:47 +0100


At 00.09 16/03/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote:

>Is there any Fellini film that Nino Rota DIDN'T make the music for?

Obviously.. any film made after Rota's death..!
I think that the first was "La citt=E0 delle donne", the music was by Luis=
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Bacalov. Fellini said that it sounded exactly like Rota :)


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Subject: (exotica) Re: sampling debate
Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:35:26 -0800


To me, an example of a "bad" sample in a song is when it is so long, you can easily figure out what it is, and then you find yourself wanting to hear the original song the sample came from. That's my only contention. A group like Tipsy does good things with samples. Quite a number of hip-hop groups, and very inept "ambient" musicians do bad things with samples.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus
Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:46:36 EST



In a message dated 3/16/01 8:07:17 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< He also worked at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop and is a pioneer of

electronic music. Lots of TV/BBC noises were down to him including the Dr

Who theme (I think) - not as composer but as a provider of eerie sounds. >>

The way I heard it, it was Delia Derbyshire (from White Noise-An Electric
Storm) who played (and improvised some of) the Dr Who theme, but who knows?
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Subject: Re:  (exotica)sampling debate
Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:46:22 EST


I have always liked sampling, even from the mid 8T's when JB's grunts were
everywhere to rap's using a lick of an old soul favorite to rap over, to
today's loungecore/breakbeat sampling. The music of Ursala 1000 is my
favorite modern sampling, although I don't have the Tipsy LP from a few years
back. Mose Allison once said that every singer really has only one song.
Every other song is a new arrangement of the basic song the singer presents.
Following that line, many good songs have really one or two essential hooks.
I know, I know, what about the bridge, the choruses, all the other stuff...
But when the good hooks are extracted and used in a new context I find it
exciting. Even a short Perez Prado shout adds excitement to a new song. ..A
good horn lick from an old mambo rekkid weaves another layer onto the groove.
It also gives respect to the original imho. Not long ago on this list someone
compared todays sampling on top of new beats to a couple of art movements
from days gone by....I'd like to hear that one again because it seems that
sampling has that same context. Was it the Dadaist Movement?...JB


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From: buMp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (exotica)sampling debate
Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:01:43 -0500


 Not long ago on this list someone
>compared todays sampling on top of new beats to a couple of art movements
>from days gone by....I'd like to hear that one again because it seems that
>sampling has that same context. Was it the Dadaist Movement?...JB

could have been me.
seems i always blurt out opinions when this issue arises since i find it
extremely bogus
that people always say sampling is lame, stealing and wrong etc.
i did compare it to photo collage by the dadaists once. alan just mentioned
photo collage as well.
another example would be dadaist extrordinaire Marcel Duchamp and his
FOUNTAIN sculpture,
which was nothing but a URINAL turned upside down with the word "Fountain"
written on it.
a perfect example of lifting someone elses work to another level or context.
using the design and intent of someone else and twisting it into a artistic
idea of your own.
the importance of this is that ART it is the IDEA, not what it is made of.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) (Exotica) Brother Theodore
Date: 16 Mar 2001 13:25:58 -0800 (PST)


Out of curiosity: Didn't Brother Theodore play the
role of the elder Klopek in The 'Burbs?

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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) (Exotica) Brother Theodore
Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:31:21 -0500



Ben Waugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
Out of curiosity: Didn't Brother Theodore play the
role of the elder Klopek in The 'Burbs?
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From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 16 Mar 2001 13:44:11 -0800




>>>Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME.<<<

Well there ya go... It's funny that when folks start choosing sides, it gets
hard to give any concession to the other viewpoint. I have to believe that
most "anti-samplers" have formed their opinion based on experience. A lot of
the remix stuff out there is repetitive, unimaginitive TRIPE.

But that just goes to illustrate my feelings on the matter: It's hard to do
well, and that's why it's art.

It's easy to shoot at an art-form by pointing to it's misuse. It's amighty
big target.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:14:22 EST


In a message dated 3/16/01 9:02:03 AM, [e-mail] writes:
<< Some unknown rap artist (if anyone knows who, holler)
yapping about his own bad ghetto stud self over a
slowed down (think a 45 RPM played at 33 1/3) version
of Herb Alpert's "Rise."
Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME. >>

That would be the notorious BIG. It's a puff daddy production, so of course
it's lame.
I don't use Herb Alpert samples, myself, because I heard that he objects to
being sampled. I do remember hearing a rap number that plunders "the Lonely
Bull" that I actually liked, though.
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Subject: (exotica) More slicing and dicing
Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:45:38 -0800


exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:16:06 -0500
>From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
>
>I guess I have nothing better to do than to let your black and white
>pronouncements push my buttons.

I'm not trying to make you mad. If you're getting upset, just move
on to something else. I'm just discussing music here.

>So I guess your approach would be:
>1) Don't make a film about the "artist" at all.
>2) Everytime you refer to one of their films/musical performances, you
>don't show anything or play anything.
>3) The only good biography of Orson Welles would be about 50 hours long
>because it would have to include every film he directed or acted in, in its
>entirety.

I choose none of the above.

A good documentary on an artist would include biographical information,
interviews and critical comment. But it would also include enough of
the art itself *in its own context* for the viewer who isn't familiar
with it to get an idea of what it's all about. That doesn't mean that
you have to show all of Welles's films in their entirety. It just means
you have to show intact segments with the original soundtrack.

The approach I don't agree with is when they make alphabet soup montages
of fifteen frame bits from all of the films randomly edited to the beat of
irrelevant music with people talking in voice over over the top of it.
A LOT of documentaries I see are like that.

A good documentary film director is transparent. He doesn't allow his
own creativity to act as a barrier between the viewer and the subject.
MTV style editing may be applicable to rock videos and commercials,
but it's no way to make a documentary.

>If you were to say that there's a kind of music that often uses
>"samples" and generally you don't like that kind of music,
>nobody could argue with that.

That's a matter of taste. I do have personal tastes in music and
film, but that isn't what I'm talking about here.

>But to say that the original is always superior to the thing which
>samples it, is just stubborn and unsupportable.

As I said... every time I've heard music using samples from tunes
I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling
produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist
who created the music in the first place did.

When I read a review posted here saying that a particular CD uses
samples from Martin Denny, Les Baxter, Arthur Lyman and Raymond
Scott, EVEN WITHOUT HEARING IT, I feel pretty safe in saying that
it would be just about impossible for the group of musicians who
produced that CD to create something better than all of their
sources. That list of artists includes some of the greatest and
most innovative musicians of the fifties, and in Raymond Scott's
case, of all time. I'm sure the editing is clever, and it "works"
musically. But there would have to be a lot more than just clever
editing going on for it to be better than Les Baxter, Martin
Denny, Raymond Scott and Arthur Lyman.

>What about spoken word samples?

If you take Shakespere's sonnets and remove them from their
original context, it would be the exact same thing.

>If you listen to a lot of these musical pieces which sample bits
>and pieces off records, you will come across a lot of bits of spoken
>word, originating in many cases from old instructional records,
>stereo test records, self-help, motivational, Christian records etc.

In that case, where the original being sampled was never intended
to be any sort of creative product, taking it out of context might
be funny or an amusing non-sequiter. But I can't see how "garbage
in" could lead to that much more than "garbage out". Maybe if you
were doing a film like Atomic Cafe, you could use stuff like that
to make a point, but even Atomic Cafe had large chunks of ephemeral
films presented in their original context. Those were the parts of
the film that made the point the best.

A good example of using non-sequiter bits is David Byrne and
Brian Eno's My Life In The Bush of Ghosts. But the quality of the
music isn't rooted in the snippets of religious radio broadcasts.
Those could be taken out of the mix, and it would still stand on
its own. And to answer your question before you ask it, when I
listen to that album I *do* wish I could hear the radio snippets
in their original context. (Particularly the Arab singer.)

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 16 Mar 2001 19:00:55 -0500


At 10:06 AM 3/16/01 -0500, buMp wrote:
>
>ps.  i do agree wholeheartedly about your documentary film opinions.

I'm not sure who you're agreeing with here bump.  But somehow I assume you
meant  the other guy, the guy who doesn't like to see or hear "excerpts" of
the subject's work in a documentary.
Far be it from me to defend Ken Burns and his artless "gather excerpts and
explain" style of filmmaking.
But certainly that style is effective.  It can be annoying but at the very
least, you'd have to call it a "necessary evil".
What about art books?  It's true that it would be much better to see the
paintings at their original size.  In fact, you could make the argument
that shrinking the size of a painting to fit it in a book so severely
distorts the artist's intentions that it would be better if we never saw
this "representation" at all.
And I might almost agree.
Except then we'd have no art books, no photography books and no films about
artists or photographers or musicians or chefs or candlestickmakers.

I'm not sure how these two issues got conflated into one.  (is that the
proper use of the word "conflate"?)
Sampling images or music for what is in essence a "collage", is really
nothing like excerpting pieces of music to illustrate a point in a
documentary.
I could give you a thousand silly arguments to illustrate the point that
documentarians have no choice but to use that technique.
It's like a cooking show.  They show you how they prepare it and then for
the sake of time, they pull one out of the oven that's already been cooking.
Surely you don't say "Hey I wanted to watch it cooking".
Or maybe you do.

If this list were simply a debating forum, it might be interested to debate
HOW filmmakers choose to excerpt and sample.
There are issues to debate there.  For instance, I know one filmmaker who
specialized in films about painters.  Like me, he was sick of this
technique for shooting paintings that almost everyone uses.  The moves are
so consistent, it's like they were done with a machine.  And often they were.
90% of films about painting start with a closeup in the middle of the
painting, then slide slightly to the right (or left) and gradually pull
back till you see the whole painting.
This guy decided never to do that.  He just shows the whole painting, no
camera moves or closeups.
I loved that he did that.  Not many filmmakers think about the "meaning" of
the techniques they use.  They just do them.

And I guess the same thing can be said for "music samplers".  I've heard
some stuff where it seemed like they just threw in a sample, not because
they needed to or because it was integral to the piece but simply "because
they could".

Jesus, this is a huge topic.

I could ask that anyone who replies to my post, please refrain from
excerpting any phrase or sentence since it will inherently distort my
meaning and the beauty of my work.
But I won't.

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Subject: (exotica) I'm finished
Date: 16 Mar 2001 19:26:43 -0500


Really I am.

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From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Nancy and..... Frank
Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:07:02 -0500



OK rather than do the research myself it's a lot easier to just ask here!

How many recordings are there of Nancy and Frank Sinatra?

"Nancy in London" has them doing "Life's A Trippy Thing". Anything else
available?

No easy answers at www.nancysinatra.com, but nice animation. check it out.

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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Uh Oh
Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:43:49 -0500


While we're on the subject... I got the new Tipsy today.  It's no secret to
this list how much I love Trip Tease - so I was really convinced that this
one was never going to live up to my expectations.  Happily, I was wrong,
wrong, wrong - so far, it's every bit as good, if not better than Trip Tease
(high praise indeed...) Definitely well worth the wait!

One question for Tipsy Dave, though - didn't you say a while back that Sir
Henry was doing some keyboard stuff on this one?  Or didn't it end up
getting used?

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Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age?
Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:27:16 -0600


Larry wrote:
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From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More slicing and dicing
Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:37:22 -0500


At 03:45 PM 3/16/01 -0800, Steve wrote:

>As I said... every time I've heard music using samples from tunes
>I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling
>produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist
>who created the music in the first place did.
>
Um, so where do re-mixes fit into all this? Especially when they've been
commissioned by the original artist??

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Subject: RE: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:42:50 -0500


At 01:44 PM 3/16/01 -0800, Ron wrote:
>

> I have to believe that
>most "anti-samplers" have formed their opinion based on experience. A lot of
>the remix stuff out there is repetitive, unimaginitive TRIPE.
>
>But that just goes to illustrate my feelings on the matter: It's hard to do
>well, and that's why it's art.

Doesn't this all just follow the "90% of everything is shit" rule? I mean,
that's what's so easy about picking the good old stuff -- there's been more
time for the cream to rise and the sediment to fall.



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From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy and..... Frank
Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:47:52 -0500



>How many recordings are there of Nancy and Frank Sinatra?
>
>"Nancy in London" has them doing "Life's A Trippy Thing". Anything else
>available?

"Somethin' Stupid"


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Subject: (exotica) [obits] Sir Lancelot, Ann Sothern
Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:10:31 -0500


From the Los Angeles Times:

Lancelot V. Pinard, aka "Sir Lancelot," a well known calypso singer, born May
24, 1902, in Trinidad, died March 12, 2001, in Anaheim. He appeared in 16
Hollywood films (including "Two Yanks In Trinidad," "Curse of the Cat People,"
"Buccaneer," and many more), and wrote over 200 songs. Survived by three
children, eight grandchildren, fifteen great-grandchildren, six
great-great-grandchildren, and nine younger brothers and sisters and their
families. He was preceded in death by his wife of 57 years, Marie.
====
Ann Sothern, TV's `Private Secretary,' dies at 92
By BOB THOMAS
.c The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ann Sothern, the blond beauty who starred as the movies'
wisecracking ``Maisie'' and as the busybody Susie McNamara in the 1950s TV
series ``Private Secretary,'' has died at her Idaho home. She was 92.

Sothern died late Thursday of heart failure at her home in Ketchum, Idaho, said
her spokesman, Mike Kaplan.

An accomplished singer as well as comedian, Sothern appeared in MGM musicals
such as ``Lady Be Good'' and ``Panama Hattie.'' She was in a second TV series,
``The Ann Sothern Show,'' as the assistant manager of a plush New York hotel.

Sothern's film career spanned six decades and included 64 movies and more than
175 TV episodes.

Only in 1988 did she win recognition from the Motion Picture Academy. She was
nominated for an Oscar as supporting actress in ``The Whales of August,'' which
also starred veterans Bette Davis, Lillian Gish and Vincent Price.

``She was one of those people who I think was never, ever appreciated in her
own time,'' Robert Osborne, a columnist for The Hollywood Reporter and host of
Turner Classic Movies cable TV network, said on Friday. ``There was nothing she
couldn't do. Light comedy was her forte, but she also was a good singer and the
camera loved her.''

Her first Columbia film was the lightweight 1934 musical ``Let's Fall in
Love.'' She followed with more undemanding roles at Columbia and RKO, where she
and another contract player, Lucille Ball, commiserated over their lack of
progress. After RKO dropped her, Sothern waited a year until she could find a
worthy role.

``Trade Winds'' in 1939 offered her sophisticated comedy (dialogue by Dorothy
Parker) and brought rave reviews and an MGM contract. Her first MGM film,
``Maisie,'' had been designed for Jean Harlow, who had died in 1937. It cast
Sothern as a flip one-time burlesque dancer with a warm heart and a failing for
man trouble. Said Variety: ``She's sexy, smart and resourceful - and decidedly
likable throughout.''

The film was a hit and led to nine more ``Maisies'' between 1939 and 1947.

MGM also starred her in musicals and comedies such as ``Dulcy,'' ``Words and
Music,'' ``Three Hearts for Julia,'' ``Thousands Cheer'' and ``Fast and
Furious.'' In ``Lady Be Good'' she sang Kern-Hammerstein's ``The Last Time I
saw Paris,'' which won the 1941 Academy Award as best song.

After leaving MGM, she proved herself as a serious actress in Joseph
Mankiewicz's ``A Letter to Three Wives,'' Oscar winner for best picture of
1949. A siege of hepatitis kept her out of acting for a year, then in 1952 she
launched her television career with ``Private Secretary.''

``Like all the other stars at MGM, I had been living in a glass cage,'' she
said after facing the rigors of TV schedules. ``Life was beautiful there;
everything was done for us. I had forgotten what real work was.''

``Private Secretary,'' in which she played the nosy Susie McNamara, was an
immediate success, lasting from 1953 to 1957. The star quit after a dispute
with the producer, and in 1958 she began ``The Ann Sothern Show,'' playing an
assistant manager of a big-city hotel. She worked at the former RKO studio,
newly owned by Ball and Desi Arnaz.

After the series faded in 1961, movie roles became scarce, studios being wary
of hiring TV stars.

Wanting to return to serious roles, she studied drama with Stella Adler and
then played a prostitute in ``Lady in a Cage,'' a political busybody in ``The
Best Man,'' a blowzy has-been in ``Sylvia.'' Her other films included
``Chubasco,'' ``The Killing Mind,'' ``Golden Needles'' and ``Crazy Mama.''

She also had one more recurring role in a TV series, a most unusual one: She
was the voice of the woman reincarnated as an antique auto in the 1965-66
sitcom ``My Mother the Car.''

She was born Harriette Lake in Valley City, N.D., on Jan. 22, 1909. Her mother
sang in concerts, and as a youngster Harriette learned piano and trained as a
lyric soprano. Harriette was 6 when her father deserted the family, and her
mother moved her three daughters to Minneapolis, and later Los Angeles.

Harriette made her film debut in Warner Bros.' early talkie, ``The Show of
Shows,'' in 1929. After a few small roles, she went to Broadway for the
musicals ``Smiles,'' ``Everybody Welcome'' and ``America's Sweetheart.'' She
was appearing in ``Of Thee I Sing'' when Columbia Pictures signed her.

Columbia boss Harry Cohn decided there were too many Lakes in movies. She
became Ann Sothern, taken from her mother's first name and the distinguished
actor E.H. Sothern.

Sothern was plagued with health problems in later years. In 1974, a fake tree
fell on her during a play, fracturing a vertebra and damaging nerves to her
legs. Years of operations and treatments followed.

She was married to bandleader-actor Roger Pryor from 1936 to 1942 and to actor
Robert Sterling from 1943 to 1949. Both marriages ended in divorce.

Sothern moved to 1984 to Ketchum, where she had visited to ski since the 1940s.
Her only child, actress Tisha Sterling, had a house nearby and was with her
when she died.

KETCHUM, Idaho (Reuters) - Actress Ann Sothern, who during 70 years in show
business moved from bit-parts and B-movies to becoming an Oscar-nominated
leading lady and star of her own television series, has died of heart
failure, associates said on Friday.
She was 92 years old.

Sothern, who started in Hollywood as an extra and spent a decade as a
B-movie regular, became a major star after playing the lead role in 1939's
"Maisie," an MGM film about the adventures of an energetic showgirl that was
originally intended for Jean Harlow.

Sothern captured the street-smart, independent title character so well that
MGM made nine more "Maisie" movies, one of the studio's most successful
series and one that transformed Sothern into a household name and a feminist
icon.

She capitalized on that image with two 1950's television shows, "Private
Secretary" and "The Ann Sothern Show," which ran until 1961 and featured
Sothern as the first working woman to appear in a situation comedy.

Sothern earned five Emmy nominations for the two shows, which she produced,
and won a Golden Globe award. The actress then lent her voice to the 1960's
sitcom "My Mother the Car."

Sothern spent much of the 1970s and 80s in semi-retirement, but returned in
1987 to star alongside fellow screen legends Lillian Gish, Bette Davis and
Vincent Price in "The Whales of August," for which she received her first
Academy Award nomination.

Born Harriette Lake in Valley City, North Dakota, in 1909, the young actress
got her start singing in stage productions and filled mostly bit parts until
Columbia Pictures signed her to a contract in 1934 and changed her name.

Sothern spent the rest of the decade acting in such films as "The Hell-Cat,"
"Eight Bells," and two movies opposite Gene Raymond, "Hooray for Love" and
"The Smartest Girl in Town."

She starred alongside Edward G. Robinson and Humphrey Bogart in "Brother
Orchid," winning critical acclaim.

Sothern, who was divorced from actor-musician Roger Pryor and actor Robert
Sterling, is survived by her daughter and a sister. A mass is scheduled for
her at Our Lady of the Snows Church in Ketchum on March 23.






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Subject: (exotica) Re: CD with lots o' samples ??
Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:22:21 EST



In a message dated 3/17/01 12:15:57 AM,
[e-mail] writes:
...
> I read a review posted here saying that a particular CD uses
>samples from Martin Denny, Les Baxter, Arthur Lyman ...

     Hey, what's this CD called?

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:24:59 -0500


>  i do agree wholeheartedly

Regarding the sampling debate ....

I feel like Gilligan in the episode of "Gilligan's Island" where the Captain and
the Professor are having an argument.

The Captain makes a point, and Gilligan says "You know Captain, you're exactly
right"
Then the professor says something contrary, and Gilligan replies  "You're exactly
right too, Professor"

Then the Captain says says to Gilligan ... "Gilligan, we both can't be right"

and Gilligan's reply is "You know Captain, you're exactly right"

and then I think of this quote ......
"Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite.  Islanded
between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main
river"
                                                       - Cyril Connolly

and I, at the moment, have nothing to add to the wisdom of Cyril and Gilligan

just admiring the meanders as they flow by me,
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From: Bonita Kelso <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) what have I done?
Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:35:35 -0800 (PST)


For the record (haw!), I wasn't trying to drag this
whole sampling argument out when I mentioned the Herb
Alpert fortified rap--I just thought that the bizarre
fusion of mellow Latin-y disco and gangster rap was
worth mentioning here of all places.

In the future I'll keep my nose out of these deep
topics and stick to the straightforward record talk.

And on that note, could some kind-hearted person who
isn't too busy possibly post the track listing to Pete
Rugolo's "Behind Brigette Bardot" (I think it was on
the Warner Brothers label)? I have an oddball pressing
from France (with the gatefold, most likely the main
reason the album was released in the first place,
reduced to a mere wraparound cover), and have been
wondering how the tracks match up with the original.

many thanks, Bonita

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Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] Sir Lancelot, Ann Sothern
Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:56:43 -0800


At 11:10 PM 16-03-01 -0500, it was written:
>LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ann Sothern, the blond beauty who starred as the movies'
>wisecracking ``Maisie'' and as the busybody Susie McNamara in the 1950s TV
>series ``Private Secretary,'' has died at her Idaho home. She was 92.

Didn't say anything about her recordings.  I have one.  The notes say she
started out as a classical pianist (her Mom was an opera singer).

The album is Sothern Exposure: Ann Sothern Sings, conducted and arranged by
Ian Bernard, Tops L 1611.

I wasn't bowled over by the album, but I'm glad it was made.  Not sure if
she did any others...probably not.

Byron


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From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy and..... Frank
Date: 16 Mar 2001 21:02:27 -0800 (PST)


There's the famous duet "Something Stupid." I can get
the name of the Frank Sinatra lp it appeared on later,
if no one beats me to it.

--- Domenic Ciccone <[e-mail]> wrote:

> OK rather than do the research myself it's a lot
> easier to just ask here!
>
> How many recordings are there of Nancy and Frank
> Sinatra?
>
> "Nancy in London" has them doing "Life's A Trippy
> Thing". Anything else
> available?


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From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:00:22 -0500


>Any other Fellini recommendations?
While we're on the subject of favourite Fellini films I'd like to throw my
vote to my personal favourite, "City of Women". Don't know if its on DVD but
certainly one of my favourites. Quite a comment on feminism to be sure!
Like the best Fellini films, this one literally takes you a world that only
the master could imagine...

When I think of this film I can't help but think of another favourite but
lesser known Italian director, Marco Ferreri, best known for the cult
classic "La grande bouffe". I remember him presenting two films at our
festival almost 15 years back that were positively "out of this world" and
the guy looked to be at that time in his 60's. They're tough to find on
video and for some reason what we find here is almost all French subtitled,
but worth searching out if you're a fan of this stuff.

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Subject: RE: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus
Date: 17 Mar 2001 00:24:33 -0500


Marco wrote:
> > That KPM LP is one of several by him.
> Correct. Brian Karasick sent me a tape of another one (I have the 'Sound
> experiments' myself). Brian, what was the title of that album?
It's called "Sleight of Mind" (KPM 1279, UK, 1982) - All sounds created on
the Fairlight Computer Music Instrument.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 17 Mar 2001 00:27:42 EST


In a message dated 3/16/01 2:15:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I don't use Herb Alpert samples, myself, because I heard that he objects
to
 being sampled. I do remember hearing a rap number that plunders "the Lonely
 Bull" that I actually liked, though.
 -dave >>

Was that the Evolution(ary?) Control Commitee's "Rebel without a Pause
(Whipped Cream mixes)" 7" (where the vocals from Public Enemy's "Rebel..."
was placed over our friend Herb) or another artist?  Either way, even if you
think that sampling is the work of Satan,  you HAVE to check out this
particular ECC 7". (and no I'm not in the band nor am I a friend or relative
of anyone associated with same). They also have another 7" ("Rocked by Rape"
featuring Dan Rather cut-ups over AC/DC samples) and various comp. tracks out
there as well.
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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:59:20 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:28 PM

> They also have another 7"
> ("Rocked by Rape"
> featuring Dan Rather cut-ups over AC/DC samples)

This also happens to be the most notorious of all Napster bombs
(see http://evolution-control.com/culturejamming.html for more details) --
more so than the guy who inserts quacks into the .wav files before encoding
them.

Later,
Ben

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From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:14:15 -0800


[e-mail] wrote:
> I feel like Gilligan in the episode of "Gilligan's Island" where the Captain and
> the Professor are having an argument.

Sherwood Schwartz would be turning over in his grave (if he were dead)!
Doesn't everyone know it was the **Skipper** not the Captain? Guess
not... :-)

-Kevin

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) what have I done?
Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:41:43 +0100




Bonita Kelso schrieb:

> "Behind Brigitte Bardot"

:-) hee hee. the chauvi in me has to smile.

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus
Date: 16 Mar 2001 19:27:43 +0100


some of Dave Vorhaus' stuff can be found on a compilation from 1996 called Electronic Toys Vol.1

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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:19:35 +0100




Piero Cavina schrieb:

> At 00.09 16/03/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
>
> >Is there any Fellini film that Nino Rota DIDN'T make the music for?
>
> Obviously.. any film made after Rota's death..!

oops. I forgot how early Rota died. Now you bring it up, I remember it quite well though: it was the first time I had this feeling, that some essential part of the culture of the century that I love was going to die. Fellini's death was another such event. And Dali's and Kubrick's...

As for Rota covers, I have to mention the Fibonaccis, one of the bands on the Index label, that was founded by the president of the Residents fan club, Phil Culp. All of these seem to have disappeared mysteriously.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: sampling debate
Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:19:42 +0100




"F. Cobalt" schrieb:

> To me, an example of a "bad" sample in a song is when it is so long, you can easily figure out what it is, and then you find yourself wanting to hear the original song the sample came from. That's my only contention. A group like Tipsy does good things with samples. Quite a number of hip-hop groups, and very inept "ambient" musicians do bad things with samples.
>

no rules! if in the context it makes sense, even a long known sample can be OK. I forgot who mentioned it, but samples can be hommages to a certain artist and songs too.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert
Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:20:54 +0100




[e-mail] schrieb:

>
> I don't use Herb Alpert samples, myself, because I heard that he objects to
> being sampled.

He seems to onject to a lot. As far as I know, his records were never reissued on CD. no?

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) DALI
Date: 17 Mar 2001 12:08:29 +0100 (CET)



citerar Moritz R <[e-mail]>:

>that some
> essential part of the culture of the century that I love was going to
die.
> Fellini's death was another such event. And Dali's and Kubrick's...


I wonder where Dali is now, if there is a justice he is an emperor in
some other world. And Gala invites him to her bed every night.
I have not thought about Dali that much since he died, but how that man
inspired me in my early years! I went to his museum in Figueras twice.
Last time I bought his opera on LP and carried it across europe three
weeks until I got home. Anyone have that? I can confess I have not
listened to it completely, after the first record in the box, it gets
too much. But I like it and it is a fine memory.

Another fine memory is from the museum, there are a painting there made
up with dots if I remember correctly, I got this funny idea when I
stood there watching it, and I told my buddies we were to fool the
other visitors so we placed one hand in the front of the left eye and
pretended to be amazed by the sight of the painting, then we sneaked
behind a corner and watched the other visitors, ALL OF THEM WAS DOING
THE SAME THING! Dali in one dimension! He he he, yeah that was fun.

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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Performing VOODOO
Date: 17 Mar 2001 12:56:41 +0100 (CET)





There was a midsummers night not so long ago, Me and my buddy Peter and
a greek friend of ours were sitting by the fireside after a long party.
All others were asleep. We sat there talking and listened to exotica
off course, I mentioned a girl that I was interested in, and we decided
to try voodoo to get her appreciate me. Influenced by the music and all
the liquor we bagan the chants and spoke to the gods, I thought it was
very funny, then suddenly our greek friend turned into a trance and
started repeat everything we said, it was very fascinating but a little
scary, so we calmed down. But that is just an idea of the powerful
voodoo we are capable of here in scandinavia :) No, I did not get the
princess, but that is because we chickened out, I am sure.

Anyone else tried voodoo? I'd love to hear a story. Ron must have
one... If not I may tell you another one MUCH SCARIER

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From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Emperor DALI
Date: 17 Mar 2001 07:31:03 -0600


Magnus Sandberg wrote:

> I wonder where Dali is now, if there is a justice he is an emperor in
> some other world.

Funny you should say that, Magnus. I was just looking at a website that
contains a bunch of old preproduction art for the Alejandro Jodorowsky version
of Dune which was never made. In his version of the film, Dali was cast as
Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV. Here's a costume sketch by Moebius:

http://www.multimania.com/sarfa/img/empire1.jpg

Apparently, Dali was demanding $100,000/hr. for his acting services.

Jodorowsky had assembled a really promising group of artists and musicians to
do preproduction; Giger, Moebius, Chris Foss, Pink Floyd, and Eno. Here's a
nice writeup:

http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/dune_jodorowsky_991019.html

Having seen several Jodorowsky films, I have no doubt that his version of Dune
would've been far and away the strangest and most flagrantly disgusting movie
of all time. I mourn it's demise.


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From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: More slicing and dicing
Date: 17 Mar 2001 08:33:19 -0500


Steve wrote:
>every time I've heard music using samples from tunes
>I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling
>produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist
>who created the music in the first place did.

Aargh, I *really* don't want to prolong this any more. . .

But by sheer coincidence, last night I was watching the DVD of Ghost
Dog*. One of the DVD extras is an "isolated score" audio track, with
the music by Wu Tang's RZA. This is quite amazing stuff--very spare
and atmospheric--and it's absolutely essential to the feel of the
movie.

And yes, it uses samples.

The interesting thing about these samples is that it mostly *isn't*
the "easy" trick of looping a whole bar of rhythm and layering over
that. Instead, there's his own new rhythm track, with weird, ghostly
and almost unidentifiable fragments of other music added to that.

I defy you, Steve, to even tell me what *genre* of music they come
from. In this case, those sounds have become so abstracted that they
just become clay in the artist's hands.

cheers,

  --Ross

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Music Swapping
Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:09:25 EST


    It seems like this list would be the place for some serious mp3 trading.
Not big old nasty Napster style swapping, but nice friendly person to person
swapping where folks mail stuff to each other.   It's not much different from
good old fashion tape swapping.
    The interest level in this has been so minimal that I thought maybe a
more detailed description of the process might get people into the idea.
It's such and awesome and simple process that this group just seems like the
place for it.
    We've all discussed the legal aspects of swapping music (ad nauseam) and
it's the same for this kind of mp3 swapping as it is for circulating your
comp. tape or recording your favorite album for your best friend.
    For the mp3 swapping you do need a computer with a CD-R drive, but since
a decent CD-R drive sells for $49.99 money shouldn't stop you.
    You also need some software that rips audio from commercial CDs and makes
m3ps.  Which is all currently dirt cheap.   If you're a tad more adventurous
you can start digitizing vinyl which is surprisingly simple all you need is a
turntable and a standard sound card on your computer.  You should really get
some decent audio editing software, but that is also currently dirt cheap.
If you have any questions on any aspect of this process,  I'm sure there are
10-20 people on this list who will be happy to give detailed tutelage.
    After you have 10-20 CDs or records digitized you can toss them onto a
(one single wafer thin CD-R with 10-20 albums, how cool is that) cd-r and
start swapping.
    When you get a CD-R full of 8-10 hours of CD (or vinyl) quality music,
you have the option of listening to it on your computer or picking and
choosing what you might like to burn to an audio CD to play on your standard,
good old, CD player.  It's really pretty simple.
    Also, once you have the mp3s made, it only takes a few minutes to burn
someone a cd-r with 8 hours of music on it.  Blank CD-Rs cost next to
nothing, so that's not really a monatary issue.
    The most important point is that you'll end up sharing and getting a
mountain of cool music, which is what I always thought this mailing list was
about.  Talking about music is fun, but listening to it is better.
    Post any ideas to the list, and feel free to go into deeper analysis of
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:17:36 EST


In a message dated 3/16/01 7:20:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< >I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful,
 >and a distortion of the original artist's intention.

 that is funny, i feel it is the total opposite.
 i sample things i have great respect for. >>

Personally, I think that posthumous "remixing projects" (such as the one done
for/to Miles Davis) where the original artist has of course no say in what's
being done to his/her/their music, or "improvements" done to artists' records
without said artists' consent (e.g. a certain Captain Beefheart album,
there's probably a hundred more examples) are far more distortive and
disrespectful to the original artist than any amout of sampling.  Even if you
hate, say, MC Hammer's "Can't Touch This", at least it's not considered to be
an "official" part of Rick James' discography...
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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Emperor DALI
Date: 17 Mar 2001 08:46:27 -0800


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Matt Marchese
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:31 AM

> Funny you should say that, Magnus. I was just looking at a website that
> contains a bunch of old preproduction art for the Alejandro
> Jodorowsky version
> of Dune which was never made.

On the "Fando et Lis" DVD, there's a fascinating feature-length documentary
on Jodorowsky and a long section on "Dune." Moebius gets a lot of airtime as
well.

For someone who'd only seen "Fando et Lis" on badly transferred bootlegs,
the DVD is quite welcome, and jampacked with goodies too.

Now if only they'd work on "The Holy Mountain" (and release that Don Cherry
soundtrack) next!

Later,
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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) death by chocolate
Date: 17 Mar 2001 09:22:37 -0800


No one responded, so here I go:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Clayton Black
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:47 AM

>     By the way, without being too schizophrenic, does anybody
> have "Death by
> Chocolate" available at http://jetset.sinner.com/ ?  I downloaded the clip
> from the site and loved it.

It's a great, groovy bubblegum psych-pop album (as opposed to Angie
Tillett's "Lollipop Train" project on Siesta, which is more spoken-word mod
bubblegum). Sorry. Words fail me. Basically it's a pure sugar rush of a CD,
with psych touches here, mod-lounge keyboards there, and the most unabashed
fetishization of an English accent since, um, Black Box Recorder's "England
Made Me" album.

"Songs for the Jet Set Vol. 1" (or 2; 3 isn't that hot) would be a good
intro to more indiepop in the same vein (the Sombrero comp from Siesta at
http://www.siesta.es beats 'em all hands down, though).

Chuck would be the most knowledgeable exoticat on this list about this,
though, so get him to delurk from the Big Easy.

All I know about Siesta I pretty much know from Chuck,
Ben

np: "funk spectrum" (Peter Risser would really like this album -- obscure
funk 45s compiled by Josh Davis, aka DJ Shadow, among others)

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Subject:  Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Date: 17 Mar 2001 13:01:57 EST



In a message dated 3/17/1 12:11:43 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

>While we're on the subject of favourite Fellini films I'd like to throw my
>vote to my personal favourite, "City of Women".

I have to agree with Brian here...Back in the day it was the first Fellini
movie to grab me. Although I'd tried a couple ofothers (not La Dolce Vita), I
apparently missed the point of them. But "City Of Women" was funny! Here's
this guy all wrapped up in himself and he's had many many lovers and has each
of them on tape as he makes love with them. The tapes are embedded in special
sockets located beneath each of their pictures of which there were about 50.
He's got a special room for the pictures. He's showing this off..........Was
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Subject: Re: (exotica) El Topo Gigio
Date: 17 Mar 2001 13:06:58 -0600


Benito Vergara wrote:

> On the "Fando et Lis" DVD, there's a fascinating feature-length documentary
> on Jodorowsky and a long section on "Dune." Moebius gets a lot of airtime as
> well.

Thanks, Ben. I see this is available from Amazon. I may have finally found an
excuse to buy a DVD player!

> Now if only they'd work on "The Holy Mountain" (and release that Don Cherry
> soundtrack) next!

I've only seen Holy Mountain once. I rented it when I lived in Japan not
realizing that it would be in Spanish with Japanese subtitles! I had previously
rented El Topo from the same store and it had been in English. I didn't speak
either language well enough at the time to make out much of the dialogue, but
the visuals were still worth the Ñ500 it cost me to rent it.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 17 Mar 2001 14:37:27 -0500


"Gee, Dad, this is the best Annual Exoticalist Sampling Debate ever!"

 >>Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME.
 >
 >Well there ya go... It's funny that when folks start choosing sides,
 >it gets hard to give any concession to the other viewpoint.

Do we really have to choose sides? I just want to clarify my own
position... it seems like some people think I'm anti- and some think I'm
pro-. I'll admit I get a little cranky when I sense an attitude that
sampling is the *only* way to do something new and exciting and everything
else is old hat. But really, I'm pretty neutral on the issue. Whatever tool
you need to do the job, use it! Art can be seen as a struggle with the
void, and in a scrap like that, you have to use anything that comes to hand.

If sampling is "evil" then by extension, recording technology as a whole is
evil, the only distinction being typical length of the recording. Oh, that
evil recording technology! So many musicians put out of work by the Devil's
Jukebox. Music transformed from a live, human activity to a dead, commodity
object. Horrors! (irony within irony, y'see)

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Subject: (exotica) "Record Industry Plays Both Sides"
Date: 17 Mar 2001 14:47:33 -0500


Hah. This is, erm, "entertaining."

"Record Industry Plays Both Sides"

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42426,00.html

Teaser:
"With Napster a shell of its former self and services like MP3.com paying
hefty tribute, record labels are poised to conquer cyberspace with their
own streaming and downloading services. Ironically, only one thing stands
in the way: copyright."

Gist:
They want to stiff paying composer/lyricist royalties to music publishers.


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Subject: (exotica) pink panther
Date: 17 Mar 2001 20:58:27 +0100


this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the pink panther (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter Sellers) has to do with the animated pink panther figure? Which was first? What's the connection?

Mo

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Subject: (exotica) Re: jodorowsky
Date: 17 Mar 2001 14:35:14 -0600


Benito Vergara wrote:

> A $50 dvd-rom drive would work just as well, by the way. =)

D'OH! I've already got one of those too. But sitting in front of the peecee
watching a movie seems porn-ish somehow.

> Mine was copied off a Japanese laserdisc, so all the genitals are mosaiced
> out. =)

Ah yes, the peculiar censorship techniques of the Japanese government. I was
actually quite grateful for those large pixels when I rented Pink Flamingos for
the first time.

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Subject: RE: (exotica) pink panther
Date: 17 Mar 2001 21:41:58 +0100


Mo asked:

> this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the
> pink panther (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter
> Sellers) has to do with the animated pink panther figure? Which
> was first? What's the connection?

As far as I know the cartoon panther was created for the feature films (the
opening credits), and later took on a life of his own. Correct me if I'm
wrong...

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From: Maria Junkita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Music Swapping
Date: 17 Mar 2001 23:12:05 +0100


I totally agree. This yes/no sampling topic is pretty much
worn out and there are plenty other mailing lists about sampling.
So more mp3 trading please!

[e-mail] wrote:

>     It seems like this list would be the place for some serious mp3 trading.
>
>     The interest level in this has been so minimal that I thought maybe a
> more detailed description of the process might get people into the idea.
>
>     The most important point is that you'll end up sharing and getting a
> mountain of cool music, which is what I always thought this mailing list was
> about.  Talking about music is fun, but listening to it is better.
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From: Maria Junkita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 17 Mar 2001 23:25:49 +0100




"m.ace" wrote:If sampling is "evil" then by extension, recording technology as
a whole is

> evil, the only distinction being typical length of the recording. Oh, that
> evil recording technology! So many musicians put out of work by the Devil's
> Jukebox. Music transformed from a live, human activity to a dead, commodity
> object. Horrors! (irony within irony, y'see)

This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about.
He wrote that the use of electronic media like radio and
tape & vinyl recordings (this was in the pre CD era) should be restricted
to music that only could be heard in that way, i.e. electronic music.
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From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: jodorowsky
Date: 17 Mar 2001 15:12:04 -0800


Oops: Matt replied to the exotica list, but I had sent my follow-up only to
Matt.

So for coherence's sake (ok, I know it's off-topic), here was my reply:

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Matt Marchese
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:07 AM

> Thanks, Ben. I see this is available from Amazon. I may have
> finally found an
> excuse to buy a DVD player!

There's also an audio commentary by Jodorowsky throughout the whole of the
movie. It was actually one of the first DVDs I'd ever seen -- you get to
watch the film, then you can watch the film over with Jodorowsky commenting
on every scene! That and the documentary makes it a darn good DVD to watch
(practically 5 hours of material, though a little repetitive).

The film itself is straight-up Theatre of the Absurd, with not much of the
metaphysical stuff (ok, claptrap) that would be in his next flicks, and thus
perhaps truer to his guerrilla Surrealist vision.

A $50 dvd-rom drive would work just as well, by the way. =)

> I've only seen Holy Mountain once. I rented it when I lived in Japan not
> realizing that it would be in Spanish with Japanese subtitles!

Well, there's not much dialogue anyway. =) Bootlegs miraculously surface on
Ebay every now and then (which is where I got my VHS copy), but since Ebay
bans such things they're very careful in their wording. Mine was copied off
a Japanese laserdisc, so all the genitals are mosaiced out. =)

Later,
Ben

p.s. I see Video Search of Miami (http://www.vsom.com/) is selling a copy of
"The Holy Mountain" for $25 -- never ordered from them before, though...

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:24:49 -0500


At 11:25 PM 3/17/01 +0100, Maria Junkita wrote:
.>This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about.
>He wrote that the use of electronic media like radio and
>tape & vinyl recordings (this was in the pre CD era) should be restricted
>to music that only could be heard in that way, i.e. electronic music.
>According to him acoustic music should only played live.
.
You shouldn't eat summer fruits in the winter.
And you shouldn't plant things in your garden which don't originate in your
area.
(I actually believe in that one but I don't practice it.)

Movies should only be watched on the big screen.
Movies should only be seen on film.
Movies should only be seen in their original aspect ratio.

I used to sort of believe that.  But not anymore.  There's something
different about seeing a film large and projected with an audience.  But
that doesn't mean you can't appreciate it at home on TV fastforwarding
through the boring parts.

I've been trying to think of any "art rules" that I believe in the way
Stockhausen or Stephen bigshot do.

Here's the only one I came up with.
This happens on TV more than movies but it also happens there.  It happens
in documentaries and journalistic pieces.  We're introduced to a new
character, a commentator, an expert, someone who's going to tell us
something about the subject.
When he/she first comes on, they're a "talking head" and perhaps their
identity is revealed with a superimposed title :
"Magnus Moritz, Chief Investigating Officer at the Tiki Totem Institute"
As they continue to talk, invariably they cut away to a shot of Magnus
WALKING.
It lasts about five seconds.  They're usually walking from the upper right
side of the frame and moving towards the lower left side.  Usually they
hold on the shot until just after they leave the frame.
Usually they're walking in a generic institutional setting.  But sometimes
it's a park.
And usually they have a blank robotic attitude.  That's because someone
told them "Let's go outside and get a shot of you walking".  And when they
ask where they're going or why they're walking, they're told "That doesn't
matter.  Just walk".

I would very much like to outlaw that shot.

I know why they do it.  They need cutaways. It's called "B roll". They
don't want to jumpcut and they're saving that shot of the interviewer
nodding his head for later.

I know why they do it but I want them to find other ways.  I don't ever
want to see that shot again as long as I live.

That's about the only rule I've come up with so far.  If I ruled the world,
no one would be allowed to use that shot.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) pink panther
Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:33:52 EST


The cartoon was created as the opening credits for the first movie.  "The
Pink Panther" of the movie title referred to the rare gemstone that had been
stolen.


<< this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the pink
panther (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter Sellers) has to do
with the animated pink panther figure? Which was first? What's the connection?

 Mo
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Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:51:49 -0500


>This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about.


Funny that Stockhausen's name is mentioned, because for one of his pieces, he used audio tapes of children playing.

Geh, Mixmaster KS, Geh,
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: jodorowsky
Date: 17 Mar 2001 19:05:11 -0600


Benito Vergara wrote:

> Oops: Matt replied to the exotica list, but I had sent my follow-up only to
> Matt.

Must've been all the Nyquil I've been taking for this damn cold.

> ok, I know it's off-topic

Nah, considering some of the other threads I've been reading here over the last
couple of days, I think that discussing Jodorowsky, Dali, and Pink Flamingos
qualifies eminently as Exotica.

But just to bring it back solidly to music, here's Divine's discography. Anybody
care to make a recommendation?

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/8299/disco.html

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Subject: (exotica) Lileks does it again!
Date: 17 Mar 2001 19:19:35 -0600


I hadn't visited James Lilek's site for many moons, but I just happened
to go there today while doing a routine verification of links on my web
pages. I was glad to see that he's still updating it on a regular basis,
and I was happier still to find the new Shag Horrors feature, wherein he
presents scanned pages from several interior-decorating books from the
'70s along with his own inimitable commentary. WARNING: the following is
not for the faint of heart!

http://www.lileks.com/institute/interiors/intro/1.html

It's a good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read this, otherwise
I'd have been wiping it off my monitor. After all the wonderfully
perverse interior design in Matt Maranian's PAD book, it was really a
pleasure to find this. It reminded me of my friend's house in CA. The
entire living room was done in white shag with pink furniture and
mirrored walls. His dad was a taxidermist, so it was filled with stuffed
flamingoes, deer, and even a grizzly bear. Surreal was too mild a word
to describe it.

The thing that really disturbs me is, I want to decorate my entire house
just like this.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals
Date: 18 Mar 2001 02:45:24 +0100


[e-mail] wrote:

> >This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about.
>
> Funny that Stockhausen's name is mentioned, because for one of his pieces, he used audio tapes of children playing.

My guess is he meant the end result had to electronic music, not the elements incorporated within.
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From: "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Jodorowsky
Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:24:10 -0800


If Allen Klein dies before Jodorowsky, then supposedly the rights to Holy Mountain and El Topo will go back to him and they can get "official" release/reissue from the original negatives. At the moment, unless Criterion or some other company can convince Klein that Jodorowsky is not the devil himself, we'll have to continue waiting. Unfortunately this problem of ownership is also why getting the soundtrack to Holy Mountain has been prevented. Klein has even threatened Criterion because of the release of Fando and Lis, which he has no rights to. From what I know, the "official" release of Holy Mountain in the UK was taken from the Japanese laser, so there's fogging and such with the nudity. Luckily I was able to see Holy Mountain on the big screen a while back, an uncut print which had material in it I had never even seen in bootlegs. At the moment I don't know who has the best available bootlegs of either movie, though Shocking Video claims to have an uncut print of El Topo that isn't from laser, and I'm sure the quality is great, from my continuing experiences with them. Still, fogging or no, these are masterpieces of film that everyone should see.

As a side note, I've been hearing a lot lately, not just from Jodorowsky himself, but from gossip as well, that Marilyn Manson may be funding the sequel to El Topo. I haven't heard if he expects a role in it though.

If you want to learn more about the problems, direct from Jodorowsky, broken English and all, look at the more or less official site: http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/

There's also a link to a video interview a friend and I did with him here in Chicago, which is a bit more on the nature of the creative process.

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From: clayton black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) pink panther
Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:28:32 -0500




> From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:58:27 +0100
> To: exotica mailing list <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (exotica) pink panther
>
>
> this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the pink panther
> (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter Sellers) has to do with the
> animated pink panther figure? Which was first? What's the connection?
>
> Mo

Other people have already said that the movie came first, but it did not
take long for the animated character to take on a life of its own.  I
remember that they used to show the cartoons before the feature films in my
hometown.  I don't know if all of the music was Mancini, but obviously the
theme was, and the incidental music was certainly well done and in the same
vein.  The panther never said anything.  The local cinema had (and still
has) just one giant screen (none of this cineplex garbage), and the
pre-movie cartoons were usually just as fun as the movies themselves.  I
never thought about it before, but that may be where I first really fell in
love with Mancini.

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From: clayton black <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) At long last
Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:39:20 -0500


A week or two ago I complained that I had never seen Esquivel in a thrift
store.  Today I picked up Infinity in Sound (I'd say a VG+) for $1.00.  Some
fella named Venuti had apparently unloaded his jazz collection at a local
Goodwill.  I also picked up a Marion McPartland, two Urbie Greens, a Stan
Kenton/Pete Rugolo/Milt Raskin collaboration, two June Christy albums, and a
Terry Gibbs record.  I satisfied myself that the Esquivel album was in good
shape, but I haven't had a chance to listen to the others.  There are two
dozen other things I should have been doing today besides looking for
records, but I don't regret my decision.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Jodorowsky
Date: 18 Mar 2001 00:01:21 -0500


>Klein has even threatened Criterion because of the release of Fando and
Lis, which he has no >rights to. From what I know, the "official" release
of Holy Mountain in the UK was

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Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last
Date: 18 Mar 2001 00:16:21 -0500


At 11:39 AM 3/18/01 -0500, clayton black wrote:
>
>A week or two ago I complained that I had never seen Esquivel in a thrift
>store.  Today I picked up Infinity in Sound (I'd say a VG+) for $1.00.

Congratulations.  That was the first one I found for a dollar.

>Some fella named Venuti had apparently unloaded his jazz collection at a
local
>Goodwill.

Venuti is a rare guy.  Most jazz collections don't go to Goodwill stores.
He must be lazy or very magnanimous.

 I also picked up a Marion McPartland, two Urbie Greens, a Stan
>Kenton/Pete Rugolo/Milt Raskin collaboration, two June Christy albums, and a
>Terry Gibbs record.

Hmmm, I like Terry Gibbs.  June Christy is my favorite white jazz/torch
singer.  I've never heard an Urbie Green record I liked but I don't like
trombone very much. There's a great Marion McPartland "Bossa Nova" record
but otherwise...
What is the Stan Kenton Rugolo record?

Congratulations.

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Subject: Re: (exotica) "Record Industry Plays Both Sides"
Date: 18 Mar 2001 00:29:21 EST


In a message dated 3/17/01 2:48:09 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< Teaser:
 "With Napster a shell of its former self and services like MP3.com paying
 hefty tribute, record labels are poised to conquer cyberspace with their
 own streaming and downloading services. Ironically, only one thing stands
 in the way: copyright."

 Gist:
 They want to stiff paying composer/lyricist royalties to music publishers.


 --m.ace >>


I'm sorry to say you that it is a posting like this which can sometimes make
this list a means to spread disinformation. Even before Napster several
record companies have been trying to come up with a downloading format that
is protectable. As this download would count as a sale both artist and
publishing royalties are due. You can bet BMI and ASCAP and the mechainical
license collection company the Harry Fox Agency is making sure that
publishing is collected.

Ashley


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From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) jodorowsky + Moebius
Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:57:07 +0100 (CET)



I have a japanese Holy Mountain on laserdisc that I want to sell,
anyone interested? Its english language, but japanese subtitles, and
the genitals are blurred.

Jodorowsky wrote a great story that Moebius illustrated, about a
detective in some other world, mind you this was before blade runner
and all that, the dystopic future scenario was quite new and exciting,
now it just boring in my humble opinion.

Mooebius was the artist that made me want to do comics, the
whole "grown up" comics scene from france and america hit Sweden in the
beginning of 1980, I had never heard of most of the names, and Moebius
strange sci fi was like a revolution to me. I worked on a comic for
nearly a year, and got it published in the swedish version of heavy
metal/metal hurlant, When I bought the magazine with my stuff in it I
flew home :) the strange thing was that the story predicted stuff I was
going through on my LSD trip nearly 15 years later. In fact all my
important (to me) art pre LSD is connected to the things I went
through. Very odd.

Magnus


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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories
Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:33:46 +0100




Maria Junkita schrieb:

>
> This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about.
> He wrote that the use of electronic media like radio and
> tape & vinyl recordings (this was in the pre CD era) should be restricted
> to music that only could be heard in that way, i.e. electronic music.
> According to him acoustic music should only played live.

these so called avantgardists could be pretty dogmatic about their theories. Stockhausen seriously believed that his invention of the 12 tone music would guarantee Germany 100 years of leadership in music. :-D

Mo
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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) pink panther
Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:26:57 +0100


Marco and [e-mail] wrote:

> The Pink Panther was vreated for Blake Edwards' opening credits by Friz=
 Freleng and David DePatie, who at the time were producing animation unde=
r contract to Warner Brothers  (all of it assembly line junk) as well as =
under their own name.  Acting quickly, they produced the animated feature=
tte "The Pink Phink" in 1964, which won an Academy Award for best short s=
ubject that year.  From then, television beckoned - NBC to be exact - and=
 they proceeded to run the character and the series rather quickly into t=
he ground, although it lingered on Saturday morning television for 20 yea=
rs or more in one guise or another.  By the end of the series, the suave =
Panther had gone from having no voice (with the exception of ONE early li=
ne of dialogue, AKA Rex Harrison:  "Why can't man be more like animals?")=
 to having a namby pamby voice, NO visible suavet=E9, a goofy son, and no=
 ability to stop having insipid dialogue!

> the pink panther was a diamond that david niven's character was trying =
to steal in the original movie.  the large diamond had an inclusion that =
looked like a pink panther.  after that they added to cartoon figure to t=
he movies opening and closing sequences.
>

aah, OK. now it fits. thanks for your clarifications!

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From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories
Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:45:03 +0100



Mo wrote:

> these so called avantgardists could be pretty dogmatic about
> their theories. Stockhausen seriously believed that his invention
> of the 12 tone music would guarantee Germany 100 years of
> leadership in music. :-D

And then came Heino... :-)

Anyway, 12 tone music goes back a little further than Stockhausen.
It was the Vienna School - Sch÷nberg, Webern, Berg - that began working with
this compositional 'tool'.

Marco



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From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories
Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:11:18 +0100




Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb:

>
> Anyway, 12 tone music goes back a little further than Stockhausen.

00ps. absolutely sorry: it was of course *Sch=F6nberg* who believed in th=
e superiority of his 12 tone music and said it would guarantee 100 years =
of german leadership....

not Stockhausen... jeesh!

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From: Maria Junkita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories
Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:14:55 +0100



Moritz R wrote:

> > Anyway, 12 tone music goes back a little further than Stockhausen.
>
> 00ps. absolutely sorry: it was of course *Sch=F6nberg* who believed in =
the superiority of his 12 tone music and said it would guarantee 100 year=
s of german leadership....
>
> not Stockhausen... jeesh!

After Schoenberg freed music from the shackles of tonality (macrostructur=
e), Stockhausen considered
it his own task to free music from the shackles of acoustic texture (micr=
ostructure).

Neither of them understood that music's biggest shackle would be rational=
ism, wich was broken
by John Cage (psychostructure).

All of the above of course in the context of Western music. In non-Wester=
n musical
cultures such shackles are just considered to be a complete waste of time.

(exit lecture mode   8^ )




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Pink Panther/Inspector Clouseau theme
Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:14:25 EST


Now I have a question of my own: does anyone know who does the
french-sounding introductory theme music to the Inspector Clouseau (sp?)
cartoons that used to be shown on the Pink Panther TV show?  Even better, is
it available on CD or LP or should I do some searching among the MP3s?

Thanks,
DavidH


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From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last
Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:05:03 -0500


Thanks for the congrats.  I was feeling pretty high, at least for a while.
To each his own on the trombone thing.  One of the Urbie Green LPs is from
the Command label and is unlike any on that label I've heard--much more
straightforward jazz. The other, "Face the Music and Dance," has more swing
and is easier on the ears.  Sorry, you asked about the Kenton/Rugolo record.
It's a bit of a disappointment, because it's more in Kenton's "romantic"
style, although a couple of the tracks are worth repeating.  I'm not at home
now and I don't remember the name--something along the lines of "adventure
in song and voice" (it's got chalk playground drawings on the front).  I'll
have to give it a few more listens to give you decent feedback on it.  The
Terry Gibbs album is super.
    That Venti (not Venuti, as I wrote before) fellow apparently had a thing
for piano jazz, because I left behind a number of albums that didn't appeal.
I had to go for the McPartland record in part because it was the first one
I'd ever seen in a thrift store.  I listened to it last night, and although
it didn't strike me the way a solid exotica album might, it's good dinner
music for when I know my wife will strangle me if I put on another "blaring
brass" album.  I find Joe Bushkin useful in the same way.  The exotica comes
out once we've had a few drinks.

Clayton

> From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:16:21 -0500
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last
>
> What is the Stan Kenton Rugolo record?



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From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, March 18
Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:15:09 -0500


Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.

Space Bop #134     Medical Milestones - Or Just A Bunch Of Hot Air?

This week, it's both, actually.  We're playing some of the Medical
Milestones series from Stock Hausen & Walkman's Hot Air label. All the
projects are quite, um...unique in style - and very different from each
other.

Stock, Hausen & Walkman:  Ici Big Jim / Compere / Sore Throat  "Hang-Ups"
Stock, Hausen & Walkman:  Sphincter / Fistycuffs  "Hang-Ups"
Los Samplers:  Descarga Mecano (Version Muy Differente)  "Descarga Mecano"

Los Samplers:  Demasiado Funcional (Version Differente)  "Descarga Mecano"
The Rip-Off Artist:  Whatever Lola Wants / The Girl From Ipanema / Ask Fingo
"Why Do Birds Sing?"
The Rip-Off Artist:  Sofa King / Comin' Home Baby / Bang Trim  "Why Do Birds
Sing?"

Vomit Lunchs (with SHW):  Total Pointless Guidance Mix  "Unskilled
Vegetarian Remould Force"
Vomit Lunchs (with SHW):  Tiny Blast Mix / Soundtrack To Karahi Lunch Runs
Remake  "Unskilled Vegetarian Remould Force"
Gino Robair:  Cup #1 / Cup #2  "New Dimensions In Styrofoam"

Janek Schaefer:  Evening  "Recorded Delivery"
Gino Robair:  Plate #1 / Plate #2  "New Dimensions In Styrofoam"


Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening

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From: "William" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) children's athletic meet
Date: 19 Mar 2001 01:26:53 +0800


hi all,

   awhile back i had posted about a cd i had picked up called "music for
children's events". well, i recently picked up another in the series called
"BGM FOR children's athletic meet". this disc is not as interesting as the
events one. once again all information in the disc booklet is in japanese.
except for one track  called "the wind in the willows".  the music for the
most part seems to be fairly normal orchestra music. nothing really swinging
or cool(though i have only listened to the disc once so maybe on further
listenings i'll find it more interesting). i did recognize one of the pieces
as sousa but the others i am not sure of the titles or composers. oddly
enough towards the end of the disc there are two instrumental versions of
some beatles songs. i think the main instrument being used on these tracks
is the xylophone. though i forget now exactly.

    also last month while i was back in the states i picked up some disc i
don't recall being mentioned here. upper limbo by ken nordine. it appears to
be live stuff recorded in 92. it was released on some label connected to the
grateful dead. it looks like ken's son kristan plays on this as well. i have
mixed feelings about it. anyone have thoughts on this?

   also i recently got a little order from http://www.djangos.com since they
were having a 25% off sale. i finally picked up "moog indigo" and  "the
amazing new electronic pop sound of jean jacques perrey". i can't believe i
waited so long to get these. really wonderful stuff! i hope his new release
lives up to how great these are! i also picked up the forbidden zone ost.
has this ost been mentioned on the list before? i've always liked the movie
and it's great to finally have the ost. by far my favourite danny elfman
ost. though that may  have more to do with the nature of the film it is
from, and the older style of music but still very good.

                  william in taipei.



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From: kendoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lileks does it again!
Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:43:27 -0700


thanks for the link to the lileks site -- i'm still wiping away the
tears of laughter. in a similar vein, though not nearly so extensive, is
the site i made for my friends when i moved into my new house last year:
http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~kendoll/vtour01.htm

mike

Matt Marchese wrote:
>
> I hadn't visited James Lilek's site for many moons, but I just happened
> to go there today while doing a routine verification of links on my web
> pages. I was glad to see that he's still updating it on a regular basis,
> and I was happier still to find the new Shag Horrors feature, wherein he
> presents scanned pages from several interior-decorating books from the
> '70s along with his own inimitable commentary. WARNING: the following is
> not for the faint of heart!
>
> http://www.lileks.com/institute/interiors/intro/1.html


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