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From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cath-develop) Welcome...
Date: 14 Jan 1998 17:06:22 -0700

Of course I was here first. If you haven't figured it out yet send messages
to:

[e-mail]

Who is next?


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From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:00:04 -0700

At 05:16 PM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I signed up but now what do I do.   Who belongs?   Is it Diocesan or any
>Catholic organization?
>
>----------
>> From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>> Subject: listserv...
>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 7:01 PM
>>
>> Presidents:
>>
>> Did someone say "listserv"? It is set and ready to go. All you gotta do
>is
>> send a message to:
>>
>> [e-mail]
>>
>> In the body (leave the subject line blank) of the message type:
>>
>> SUBSCRIBE cath-develop
>>
>> Now send the message. In a couple of seconds or minutes you will receive
>> two responses. One contains an authentication code which must be sent
>back
>> to the above address. So, you can either hit the reply key on your e-mail
>> software and   delete all of the garbage in the reply except the code and
>> then send....
>>
>> or,
>>
>> copy and paste the code to a new message to:
>>
>> [e-mail]..
>>
>> There you go... See you onboard...yahooo!
>

The only members are those who subscribe. It is up to the founding members
to decide what is "on-topic" vs "off-topic". After that, we can solicit
additional members. My thought is that we should open it up to diocesan
directors and have the main topic be "integrated development" which will
need a definition. But as these lists grow they tend to face all of the
problems normally associated with "societies."

Lists tend to have "threads" that arise and gather momentum and flow
through them...often, there can be several threads running at once.
Sometimes, threads reemerge, sometimes, someone will say "enough
already...we've been there and done that...take a look at the archives or
here is the source you need."

You can choose to have closer control of the list and make it "private" by
inviation only also.

KLS


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From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
Date: 19 Jan 1998 11:29:48 -0700

Tom Sonni wrote:
>
> Did you start this?  Is there a way to know who else is on board?

Sorry, if I wasn't clear. Yes, I started it after I became aware that
our internet service allowed for a free list creation.

So, it is up to us to decide how to spread it. So far, just you, me,
and  Jerry Kramer. Tom hasn't subscribed.

So, it is a tool to use as we first started thinking about it years ago.

KLS

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From: "Tom Sonni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:31:22 -0500

great!   Why don't you start something so I can get a feel of how it works.


----------
> From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
> Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 1:29 PM
>
> Tom Sonni wrote:
> >
> > Did you start this?  Is there a way to know who else is on board?
>
> Sorry, if I wasn't clear. Yes, I started it after I became aware that
> our internet service allowed for a free list creation.
>
> So, it is up to us to decide how to spread it. So far, just you, me,
> and  Jerry Kramer. Tom hasn't subscribed.
>
> So, it is a tool to use as we first started thinking about it years ago.
>
> KLS
>
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From: "Tom Sonni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
Date: 20 Jan 1998 11:29:22 -0500

got a blank reply

----------
> From: Tom Sonni <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
> Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 4:31 PM
>
> great!   Why don't you start something so I can get a feel of how it
works.
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
> > Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 1:29 PM
> >
> > Tom Sonni wrote:
> > >
> > > Did you start this?  Is there a way to know who else is on board?
> >
> > Sorry, if I wasn't clear. Yes, I started it after I became aware that
> > our internet service allowed for a free list creation.
> >
> > So, it is up to us to decide how to spread it. So far, just you, me,
> > and  Jerry Kramer. Tom hasn't subscribed.
> >
> > So, it is a tool to use as we first started thinking about it years
ago.
> >
> > KLS
> >
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From: "Tom Sonni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:12:53 -0500

I am missing something.   I got back two more replies with no message from
you.

----------
> From: Tom Sonni <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 11:29 AM
>
> got a blank reply
>
> ----------
> > From: Tom Sonni <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
> > Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 4:31 PM
> >
> > great!   Why don't you start something so I can get a feel of how it
> works.
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > Subject: (cath-develop) Re: listserv...
> > > Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 1:29 PM
> > >
> > > Tom Sonni wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Did you start this?  Is there a way to know who else is on board?
> > >
> > > Sorry, if I wasn't clear. Yes, I started it after I became aware that
> > > our internet service allowed for a free list creation.
> > >
> > > So, it is up to us to decide how to spread it. So far, just you, me,
> > > and  Jerry Kramer. Tom hasn't subscribed.
> > >
> > > So, it is a tool to use as we first started thinking about it years
> ago.
> > >
> > > KLS
> > >
> > > -
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> >
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From: Kurt Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cath-develop) listserv primer...
Date: 20 Jan 1998 12:53:57 -0700

Tom, as you surmissed you are receiving your own messages because you are
subsribed to the list. So, if you are the only one sending messages you
will only see those same messages. I will look to see if there is a command
so that you do not receive copies of your own messages.

For the time being, the listserv isn't a big deal. With a very small number
of users it really offers only two advantages to what you had started with
Tom, Jerry and I. First, it makes it unnecessary to keep up with people's
changes in e-mail addresses (something that is pretty common if you have a
non corporate account). Second, it allows for building what is called "a
digest", basically, a record of all past correspondences. This last feature
can be pretty important when someone makes a contribution to the list of
something sufficiently technical or of some excellence that it can be
something of a reference. When newcomers come on board, you can refer them
to the digest to see, e.g., Tom Sonni's excellent description of
"integrated development." It makes it unnecessary for the originator to
have to repost the document.

The real power of the listserv has to do with growth. So, we are now in a
position to expand the list by invitation and promotion to others in the
practice. Each subscriber is able to self subscribe and unsubscribe without
any  attention on the part of the other members. So, unlike a private
e-mail list, a newcomer can join or leave without permission and without
any effort required on the part of the other members (for example, altering
and maintaining an on-going address list). So, in effect, you are taking
the discussion out into a greater public domain. Once, there is enough
volume, a subscriber can sit back and "lurk" and benefit from this and
that, cutting and pasting, and can jump into the conversation whenever they
wish.

I belong to the gift planning listserv (actually, I've subscribed and
unsubscribed several times because I was unable to keep up with the volume)
and it regularly posts 15-20 messages per day. When I need advise I know
that I can write "the list" and get feedback sometimes within minutes.

Once the volume becomes sufficient, users may wish to set their account so
that they receive one or two "digest" versions of the days messages rather
than individual messages as they are sent. That is what I do with gift-pl,
I receive the digest version and get one file a day with 20-25 messages
within it.

As for knowing the origin of a message, you have to look at the header and
see that it came from "cath-develop" as above. If you get the digest
version you can see it in the from summary line as you retrieve, it says
something like, "automotatic digest...."

Hope this helps. So, the real question now is for the four of us (when Tom
joins) to talk about whether we want to invite more people to dialogue and
whether this should be by personal invitation or whether we should market
through NCDC or NCSC or by letter to dioceses...

KLS


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From:  <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (cath-develop) listserv primer...
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:01:12 -0600

I'll bring it up at our conference in May. Good news today. Our Sunday
Visitor Press has agreed to underwite the total costs of keynote speaker
Sr. Mary Rose from Covenant House.

>----------
>From:     Kurt Simpson[SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent:     Tuesday, January 20, 1998 1:53 PM
>To:     [e-mail]
>Subject:     (cath-develop) listserv primer...
>
>Tom, as you surmissed you are receiving your own messages because you are
>subsribed to the list. So, if you are the only one sending messages you
>will only see those same messages. I will look to see if there is a command
>so that you do not receive copies of your own messages.
>
>For the time being, the listserv isn't a big deal. With a very small number
>of users it really offers only two advantages to what you had started with
>Tom, Jerry and I. First, it makes it unnecessary to keep up with people's
>changes in e-mail addresses (something that is pretty common if you have a
>non corporate account). Second, it allows for building what is called "a
>digest", basically, a record of all past correspondences. This last feature
>can be pretty important when someone makes a contribution to the list of
>something sufficiently technical or of some excellence that it can be
>something of a reference. When newcomers come on board, you can refer them
>to the digest to see, e.g., Tom Sonni's excellent description of
>"integrated development." It makes it unnecessary for the originator to
>have to repost the document.
>
>The real power of the listserv has to do with growth. So, we are now in a
>position to expand the list by invitation and promotion to others in the
>practice. Each subscriber is able to self subscribe and unsubscribe without
>any  attention on the part of the other members. So, unlike a private
>e-mail list, a newcomer can join or leave without permission and without
>any effort required on the part of the other members (for example, altering
>and maintaining an on-going address list). So, in effect, you are taking
>the discussion out into a greater public domain. Once, there is enough
>volume, a subscriber can sit back and "lurk" and benefit from this and
>that, cutting and pasting, and can jump into the conversation whenever they
>wish.
>
>I belong to the gift planning listserv (actually, I've subscribed and
>unsubscribed several times because I was unable to keep up with the volume)
>and it regularly posts 15-20 messages per day. When I need advise I know
>that I can write "the list" and get feedback sometimes within minutes.
>
>Once the volume becomes sufficient, users may wish to set their account so
>that they receive one or two "digest" versions of the days messages rather
>than individual messages as they are sent. That is what I do with gift-pl,
>I receive the digest version and get one file a day with 20-25 messages
>within it.
>
>As for knowing the origin of a message, you have to look at the header and
>see that it came from "cath-develop" as above. If you get the digest
>version you can see it in the from summary line as you retrieve, it says
>something like, "automotatic digest...."
>
>Hope this helps. So, the real question now is for the four of us (when Tom
>joins) to talk about whether we want to invite more people to dialogue and
>whether this should be by personal invitation or whether we should market
>through NCDC or NCSC or by letter to dioceses...
>
>KLS
>
>
>-
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From: "Tom Sonni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cath-develop) listserv primer...
Date: 26 Jan 1998 14:03:07 -0500

Congratulations!

----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: (cath-develop) listserv primer...
> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:01 PM
>
> I'll bring it up at our conference in May. Good news today. Our Sunday
> Visitor Press has agreed to underwite the total costs of keynote speaker
> Sr. Mary Rose from Covenant House.
>
> >----------
> >From:     Kurt Simpson[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >Sent:     Tuesday, January 20, 1998 1:53 PM
> >To:     [e-mail]
> >Subject:     (cath-develop) listserv primer...
> >
> >Tom, as you surmissed you are receiving your own messages because you
are
> >subsribed to the list. So, if you are the only one sending messages you
> >will only see those same messages. I will look to see if there is a
command
> >so that you do not receive copies of your own messages.
> >
> >For the time being, the listserv isn't a big deal. With a very small
number
> >of users it really offers only two advantages to what you had started
with
> >Tom, Jerry and I. First, it makes it unnecessary to keep up with
people's
> >changes in e-mail addresses (something that is pretty common if you have
a
> >non corporate account). Second, it allows for building what is called "a
> >digest", basically, a record of all past correspondences. This last
feature
> >can be pretty important when someone makes a contribution to the list of
> >something sufficiently technical or of some excellence that it can be
> >something of a reference. When newcomers come on board, you can refer
them
> >to the digest to see, e.g., Tom Sonni's excellent description of
> >"integrated development." It makes it unnecessary for the originator to
> >have to repost the document.
> >
> >The real power of the listserv has to do with growth. So, we are now in
a
> >position to expand the list by invitation and promotion to others in the
> >practice. Each subscriber is able to self subscribe and unsubscribe
without
> >any  attention on the part of the other members. So, unlike a private
> >e-mail list, a newcomer can join or leave without permission and without
> >any effort required on the part of the other members (for example,
altering
> >and maintaining an on-going address list). So, in effect, you are taking
> >the discussion out into a greater public domain. Once, there is enough
> >volume, a subscriber can sit back and "lurk" and benefit from this and
> >that, cutting and pasting, and can jump into the conversation whenever
they
> >wish.
> >
> >I belong to the gift planning listserv (actually, I've subscribed and
> >unsubscribed several times because I was unable to keep up with the
volume)
> >and it regularly posts 15-20 messages per day. When I need advise I know
> >that I can write "the list" and get feedback sometimes within minutes.
> >
> >Once the volume becomes sufficient, users may wish to set their account
so
> >that they receive one or two "digest" versions of the days messages
rather
> >than individual messages as they are sent. That is what I do with
gift-pl,
> >I receive the digest version and get one file a day with 20-25 messages
> >within it.
> >
> >As for knowing the origin of a message, you have to look at the header
and
> >see that it came from "cath-develop" as above. If you get the digest
> >version you can see it in the from summary line as you retrieve, it says
> >something like, "automotatic digest...."
> >
> >Hope this helps. So, the real question now is for the four of us (when
Tom
> >joins) to talk about whether we want to invite more people to dialogue
and
> >whether this should be by personal invitation or whether we should
market
> >through NCDC or NCSC or by letter to dioceses...
> >
> >KLS
> >
> >
> >-
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> > with "unsubscribe cath-develop" in the body of the message.
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> >
>
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