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From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest)
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Subject: canslim-digest V2 #726
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canslim-digest Friday, October 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 726
In this issue:
[CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
[CANSLIM] IPO's - Is this where the bull market is?
[CANSLIM] Follow through day?
Re: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
[CANSLIM] Follow through day?
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
Re: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
[CANSLIM] nok cup w handle breakout
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart - (AOL/NSOL)
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
[CANSLIM] Comp Enterprise showing strength
Re: [CANSLIM] Comp Enterprise showing strenght
Re: [CANSLIM] nok cup w handle breakout
Re: [CANSLIM] nok cup w handle breakout
Re: [CANSLIM] Comp Enterprise showing strength
Re: [CANSLIM] Comp Enterprise showing strenght
Re: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
Re: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
[none]
[none]
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
Re: [CANSLIM] Comp Enterprise showing strength
Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:21:21 -0400
From: Craig Griffin <cagriffin@mindspring.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
VIGN's chart is worthy of study IMHO.
My thoughts:
Somewhat wide and loose from IPO on 02/19 thru 08/18/99.
Pretty tight on the advance from 08/18 through yesterday.
Lots of up days in that advance including one period of 10 up days in a
row(!) - followed by almost no consolidation.
Nice handle 10/11 through 10/19.
Weekly chart also clearly shows something happening. String of large
volume up weeks beginning with 08/20. Up weeks vs down weeks very
interesting in that period.
Now look at today's earnings news and stock action.
Wish I had caught it. Possibly next time.
Anybody have any candidates for other stocks in the same or a similar
sub-group?
Best Regards,
Craig
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:35:45 -0400
From: Sam Funchess <sam5@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
First thing I notice is negitive earnings and getting bigger every
quarter. However, revenue growth is really strong.
Sam
Craig Griffin wrote:
> VIGN's chart is worthy of study IMHO.
>
> My thoughts:
>
> Somewhat wide and loose from IPO on 02/19 thru 08/18/99.
> Pretty tight on the advance from 08/18 through yesterday.
> Lots of up days in that advance including one period of 10 up days in a
> row(!) - followed by almost no consolidation.
> Nice handle 10/11 through 10/19.
>
> Weekly chart also clearly shows something happening. String of large
> volume up weeks beginning with 08/20. Up weeks vs down weeks very
> interesting in that period.
>
> Now look at today's earnings news and stock action.
>
> Wish I had caught it. Possibly next time.
>
> Anybody have any candidates for other stocks in the same or a similar
> sub-group?
>
> Best Regards,
> Craig
>
> -
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:53:41 -0400
From: Craig Griffin <cagriffin@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
At 11:35 AM 10/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>First thing I notice is negitive earnings and getting bigger every
>quarter. However, revenue growth is really strong.
>
>Sam
Yes, agreed. Same as most of the other 'Net stocks. But the chart is much
stronger than many of those (AND it has formed a long base, first). That
was my point. The charts says the market sees this one differently (many
of the other, similar stocks, are still in down trends). If I completely
ignore stocks with negative earnings, then I miss many of the best
performers in this market and especially this sector. I want to catch the
YHOO's and EBAY's early in their runs and miss the ONSL's. My point with
the post was to try to move towards doing that.
Best Regards,
Craig
PS. I much prefer stocks with solid earnings. And were it not for the
outrageous revenue growth, I would be completely ignoring VIGN, regardless
of the chart. I would also like to see the losses decreasing from qtr to
qtr (but at the early stages of this 'Net building, that may not be
realistic). JNPR ('Net hardware), for example, seems headed to
profitability and just broke out of a base a few days back.
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:52:37 +0200
From: Johan Van Houtven <click@ping.be>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
At 11:21 AM 10/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody have any candidates for other stocks in the same or a similar
>sub-group?
From a quick look at the INternet Software group:
PRSF
ARTG (broke out hard today)
SILK
ALLR
INTW
SSSW
None have any earnings.
- -- Johan
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:39:24 +0200
From: Johan Van Houtven <click@ping.be>
Subject: [CANSLIM] IPO's - Is this where the bull market is?
>Yes, agreed. Same as most of the other 'Net stocks. But the chart is much
>stronger than many of those (AND it has formed a long base, first). That
>was my point. The charts says the market sees this one differently (many
>of the other, similar stocks, are still in down trends). If I completely
>ignore stocks with negative earnings, then I miss many of the best
>performers in this market and especially this sector. I want to catch the
>YHOO's and EBAY's early in their runs and miss the ONSL's. My point with
>the post was to try to move towards doing that.
The following statement from CBS Market Snapshot rang a bell:
"A lot of people are switching from some of the large-cap names that have
been [leaders] into small- and mid-cap issues," said Ben Marsh, managing
director and head of equities trading at Adams Harkness & Hill Inc.
"There's definitely a flight to new names."
Many hot IPO's are doing VERY well. That is something most of us must have
noticed by now. Many stocks of co's that are active in telecosm, internet
software and internet infrastructure business are doing well.
Some questions regarding IPO's:
Until when is a stock considered an IPO? How many trading days? I plan to
write a scan looking for strong IPO's. That's why I'd like to know.
The scan should sort for high QRS (like RS from IBD) and good revenue
increases.
Any more idea's what the scan should look for?
- -- Johan
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:46:12 -0700
From: "Jack" <Jack_Wood@email.msn.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
Quoting from today's (October 21, 1999) "Big Picture" which addresses
whether or not the rally of yesterday (Wednesday) was a confirmation of a
bottom of the market:
"Rallies in bear markets are all too common. Wednesday's 3.7% jump for the
Nasdaq might seem too strong to be a fake. But it pales to a 5.1% blast more
than a year ago. That huge gain on Sept. 1, 1998, kicked off an 18% rally
during the next three weeks. Yet the market rolled over once again on its
way to a climax sell-off Oct. 8.
"The key is to wait for the market to confirm any attempted rally with
another 1% or better gain on higher volume, ideally four to seven days into
the advance. Such a confirmation may still fail, which is why your ultimate
guide to the market is the behavior of quality stocks. If they're not
breaking out of well-formed price bases, the market isn't ready to begin a
major advance."
With that in mind, and looking at my TV screen showing CNBC at 11:45 a.m.,
Thurday, October 21, the DOW is down 204.53 and the Nasdaq is down 38.30.
So, it appears that there has not been a bottom reached yet.
Jack Wood
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:04:47 +0200
From: Johan Van Houtven <click@ping.be>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
At 11:46 AM 10/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>With that in mind, and looking at my TV screen showing CNBC at 11:45 a.m.,
>Thurday, October 21, the DOW is down 204.53 and the Nasdaq is down 38.30.
>So, it appears that there has not been a bottom reached yet.
Jack,
The Dow is down big, but much of it is because of IBM and MO. Bought down
hard on very high volume.
The Nasdaq 65 is down because big cap techs are down in sympathy with IBM.
All in all the big boys must be laughing. They keep Greenspan happy by
correcting the major indices (Greenspan looks at them to value the market?)
They want to sell their old computer era stocks anyway. So if they bring
the major indices down and put their money in the new telecosm and internet
related IPO's, which most probably are the hottest groups for a few years,
everyone is happy. Pure opinion of course.
- -- Johan
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:13:59 -0700
From: "Jack" <Jack_Wood@email.msn.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
Johan--
I assume Mr. Greenspan does keep an eye on the major indices. I am currently
in cash awaiting the signal of the bottom of the downtrend and confirmation
of the upturn -- under WON's method -- then I'll buy back into the market.
I am keeping track of which sectors are in the daily top 10. From those top
10 I'll try to pick the best stock to buy into by trying to identify which
stock(s) break out from a good base on heavy volume.
Hope that works.
Jack Wood
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:38:43 EDT
From: Mypiason3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
What I do not understand is that you don't discusses stocks and chart
patterns while they are forming. This way we all can give opinions as well
as take advantage of the move.
After the news helps to review. Here are twostocks I listed before and got
no reply AOL and NSOL both look to be forming handles but I got no feed back.
Frank
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:50:51 EDT
From: Mypiason3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Follow through day?
Johan
Let me introduce myself my name is Frank and I have been investing for a few
years and I still consider myself having a lot to learn. I like you theory
of the big boys moving on to a new group.
If this is true the major indexes should show decline while the big boys are
moving into new positions.
I am keeping an eye on the market trying not to buy in too soon. I am
watching aol and nsol since both companies have news which should increase
revenues.
For AOL microsoft not lowering prices and for NSOL the licensing of internet
domain names by other companies will pay a dollar figure to nsol for each one
signed. These new revenues for both companies should drive the stock.
Any opinions?
Frank
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:05:34 EDT
From: Mypiason3@aol.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] nok cup w handle breakout
on strong volume. Has a lot of shares outstanding but has broken out nicely.
96 97 A A B (IBD ratings)
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:31:15 -0700
From: Earl Setser <esetser@csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart - (AOL/NSOL)
A quick look at the chart shows:
AOL basing, but no handle forming at this point. Remember the handle
should be about the mid-point of the correction, which would put it above
120 (more or less). I think this one has a ways to go before any breakout.
NSOL - same answer, way too low in the base to be a handle, and nowhere
near a breakout.
At 04:38 PM 10/21/99 EDT, you wrote:
>What I do not understand is that you don't discusses stocks and chart
>patterns while they are forming. This way we all can give opinions as well
>as take advantage of the move.
>
>After the news helps to review. Here are twostocks I listed before and got
>no reply AOL and NSOL both look to be forming handles but I got no feed
back.
>
>
>Frank
>
>-
>
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:32:56 -0400
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
Actually, Sam, earnings (e.g. lesser losses) improved three
of the past four qtrs, and inproved (lesser losses) in each
of the last three qtrs on a sequential basis, at least
according to the data at DGO (which excludes non recurring
events generally). And, as noted, revenues have been
increasing sharply. However, this still leaves it with an
EPS of 35, well below CANSLIM parameters even for cos
without profits.
It also has a mkt cap of nearly 4.4 billion on trailing
sales of approx 55 million, giving it a ratio of 79, pretty
high and suggesting its sales growth is already valued with
a high premium. Forecasters call for profits in two years,
if it survives that long.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
chat with me at ICQ # 5568838
get ICQ software at http://www.icq.com/icqhomepage.html
- -----Original Message-----
From: Sam Funchess <sam5@mindspring.com>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VIGN's chart
First thing I notice is negitive earnings and getting bigger
every
quarter. However, revenue growth is really strong.
Sam
Craig Griffin wrote:
> VIGN's chart is worthy of study IMHO.
>
> My thoughts:
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:20:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: mckeen@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Comp Enterprise showing strength
Johan,
If you look at this group for the past year,
(maybe longer), you'll see little movement
compared to other industries. A strong, stable
group. The individual companies, however, might
be another story. Something I need to research
now that I'm back.
Regards,
Mary