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canslim-digest Wednesday, June 26 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2527
In this issue:
Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
RE: DVD's (was [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:50:56 -0600
From: Warren Keuffel <wkeuffel@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
I am of the opinion -- and I would dearly loved to be proved wrong --
that how we, as individual investors vote doesn't amount to much more
than a spit in the ocean. The real power comes from the institutions,
such as the Calif. pension funds, etc. that are just now starting to
exercise that power. Some of these institutions are pushing for better
corporate governance, reasonable CEO pay, etc.and an end to the
interlocking directorships of cronies.
also, have you ever noticed how many non-business people get on boards?
People who run non-profits, arts organizations, etc. Hello? What
expertise do people like Jesse Jackson (extreme example) have to offer
to a corporation?
Warren
Winston Little wrote:
>Fanus:
>
>The points you make are very true.
>
>I also believe that a big part of t he blame for WCOM, ENE, GX, KM and other
>similar are the fault of shareholders.
>
>Not many people vote to appoint Board of Directors (BOD) or attend and
>PARTICIPATE in annual meetings.
>
>There are just a few hundred CEO (conceited, exclusive, overpaid ) whose
>names recurrently appear on the BOD as you go from company to company. These
>members slap each other on the back, are more interested in each others golf
>handicap than corporate matters, and vote for excessive pay and greed, so
>that they too will receive excessive rewards.
>
>Look at what happened to Walter Hewlett when he challenged those clowns. Did
>the share holders come to his defense? No, they went with the slimeballs.
>
>When shareholders vote for independent and outside BOD, they have a right to
>expect vigilance and honesty. When we do not and allow the BOD to be
>populated by hacks in a circle, we can only expect to be jerked.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fanus" <fanus13@yahoo.com>
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
>
>
>>So, you are saying throw away the fundamentals and
>>trade only on the technicals?
>>
>>There are probably close to 10000 public traded
>>companies and just because a handful of companies
>>committed fraud and use creative accounting, does that
>>mean the other 99% are also just as bad? This is
>>like saying because a small fraction of the population
>>is in prison, this mean all people are criminals.
>>
>>- Fanus
>>
>>--- Spencer48@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>Group:
>>>
>>> I'm surprised noone has mentioned this yet:
>>>But CANSLIM (in particular
>>>the 1st 2 letters) is based on fundamentally
>>>analyzing and accepting that
>>>quarterly and annual earnings will be approximately
>>>25%.
>>>
>>> However, with the accounting scandals going on,
>>>and big companies like
>>>Enron, WorldCom etc., being involved, will CANSLIM
>>>erode in NSLIM?
>>>
>>>jans
>>>
>>>-
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:00:58 -0400
From: "Winston Little" <wlittle1@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
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Gene:
My personal assessment is that one company was on a fast trip with =
driver after driver accelerating down a one way road which terminated at =
a cliff. The other was driven by a misfit running out of time and =
products.=20
The motivation of both drivers was a personal reward of over $100 =
million outrageously approved by their circle hacks. The strategy for =
the combined operation was and is a mystery. WH challenged this =
motivation and lack of strategy. He was branded a misfit or traitor. =
Shareholders went with default vote which supported the incumbent hacks. =
In many ways, the situation reminded me of an old black and white movie =
"Twelve Angry Men" with Henry Fonda, except that the this time the =
outcome was the opposite of the movie.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gene Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
Winston, what's your inside 'poop' on HWP/CPQ those in the 'know' say =
it was a life support move for both firms.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Winston Little=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
Fanus:
The points you make are very true.
I also believe that a big part of t he blame for WCOM, ENE, GX, KM =
and other
similar are the fault of shareholders.
Not many people vote to appoint Board of Directors (BOD) or attend =
and
PARTICIPATE in annual meetings.
There are just a few hundred CEO (conceited, exclusive, overpaid ) =
whose
names recurrently appear on the BOD as you go from company to =
company. These
members slap each other on the back, are more interested in each =
others golf
handicap than corporate matters, and vote for excessive pay and =
greed, so
that they too will receive excessive rewards.
Look at what happened to Walter Hewlett when he challenged those =
clowns. Did
the share holders come to his defense? No, they went with the =
slimeballs.
When shareholders vote for independent and outside BOD, they have a =
right to
expect vigilance and honesty. When we do not and allow the BOD to be
populated by hacks in a circle, we can only expect to be jerked.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fanus" <fanus13@yahoo.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Retstatement of CANSLIM?
> So, you are saying throw away the fundamentals and
> trade only on the technicals?
>
> There are probably close to 10000 public traded
> companies and just because a handful of companies
> committed fraud and use creative accounting, does that
> mean the other 99% are also just as bad? This is
> like saying because a small fraction of the population
> is in prison, this mean all people are criminals.
>
> - Fanus
>
> --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote:
> > Group:
> >
> > I'm surprised noone has mentioned this yet:
> > But CANSLIM (in particular
> > the 1st 2 letters) is based on fundamentally
> > analyzing and accepting that
> > quarterly and annual earnings will be approximately
> > 25%.
> >
> > However, with the accounting scandals going on,
> > and big companies like
> > Enron, WorldCom etc., being involved, will CANSLIM
> > erode in NSLIM?
> >
> > jans
> >
> > -
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> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
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>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Gene:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My personal assessment is that one company was on a =
fast trip=20
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at a cliff. </FONT><FONT size=3D2>The other was driven by a misfit =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The motivation of both drivers was a personal reward =
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strategy for=20
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motivation and=20
lack of strategy. He was branded a misfit or traitor. Shareholders =
went=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In many ways, the situation reminded me of an old =
black and=20
white movie "Twelve Angry Men" with Henry Fonda, except that the this =
time the=20
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5:36=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Re: =
Retstatement=20
of CANSLIM?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Winston, what's your inside 'poop' =
on HWP/CPQ=20
those in the 'know' say it was a life support move for both=20
firms.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dwlittle1@peoplepc.com =
href=3D"mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com">Winston=20
Little</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 26, =
2002 4:23=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Re: =
Retstatement=20
of CANSLIM?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Fanus:<BR><BR>The points you make are very =
true.<BR><BR>I=20
also believe that a big part of t he blame for WCOM, ENE, GX, KM and =
other<BR>similar are the fault of shareholders.<BR><BR>Not many =
people vote=20
to appoint Board of Directors (BOD) or attend and<BR>PARTICIPATE in =
annual=20
meetings.<BR><BR>There are just a few hundred CEO (conceited, =
exclusive,=20
overpaid ) whose<BR>names recurrently appear on the BOD as you =
go from=20
company to company. These<BR>members slap each other on the back, =
are more=20
interested in each others golf<BR>handicap than corporate matters, =
and vote=20
for excessive pay and greed, so<BR>that they too will receive =
excessive=20
rewards.<BR><BR>Look at what happened to Walter Hewlett when he =
challenged=20
those clowns. Did<BR>the share holders come to his defense? No, they =
went=20
with the slimeballs.<BR><BR>When shareholders vote for independent =
and=20
outside BOD, they have a right to<BR>expect vigilance and honesty. =
When we=20
do not and allow the BOD to be<BR>populated by hacks in a circle, we =
can=20
only expect to be jerked.<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message =
- -----<BR>From:=20
"Fanus" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:fanus13@yahoo.com">fanus13@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>Sent:=20
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: =
Retstatement=20
of CANSLIM?<BR><BR><BR>> So, you are saying throw away the =
fundamentals=20
and<BR>> trade only on the technicals?<BR>><BR>> There are =
probably=20
close to 10000 public traded<BR>> companies and just because a =
handful of=20
companies<BR>> committed fraud and use creative accounting, does=20
that<BR>> mean the other 99% are also just as bad? =
This=20
is<BR>> like saying because a small fraction of the =
population<BR>> is=20
in prison, this mean all people are criminals.<BR>><BR>> -=20
Fanus<BR>><BR>> --- <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Spencer48@aol.com">Spencer48@aol.com</A> =
wrote:<BR>> >=20
Group:<BR>> ><BR>> > I'm =
surprised=20
noone has mentioned this yet:<BR>> > But CANSLIM (in=20
particular<BR>> > the 1st 2 letters) is based on =
fundamentally<BR>>=20
> analyzing and accepting that<BR>> > quarterly and annual =
earnings=20
will be approximately<BR>> > 25%.<BR>> ><BR>>=20
> However, with the accounting =
scandals=20
going on,<BR>> > and big companies like<BR>> > Enron, =
WorldCom=20
etc., being involved, will CANSLIM<BR>> > erode in =
NSLIM?<BR>>=20
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:30:22 -0500
From: "Kelly Short" <kelly.short@neoris.com>
Subject: RE: DVD's (was [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)
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Katherine,
=20
Well- the answer may be that no one is making money in DVD's (at least =
not yet). I did a cursory run down of DVD distributors, equipment =
manufacturers, piracy solutions makers, etc. with sales growth of 20% or =
more and assets of $50M or more. The list is short and when you look at =
the IBD overall score- well, let's just say that WON isn't a fan. Most =
of the stars (if we can call them that) are traded outside the states. =
Oh well- I still think there's something to be had there (especially =
with Circuit City moving exclusively to DVD offerings over VHS) but I =
can't figure out what. For spreadsheet: =
http://www.kellyrshort.com/canslim/dvd_companies.xls
=20
Kelly
- -----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:09 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: DVD's (was [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)
Kelly,
=20
I'm not intimately familiar with all the names under this macrotheme, =
but in general, I'd say that the shift to DVD-based entertainment has =
been substantial and any time there is a secular shift in technology, =
there are real profits to be had. In this case, I think the profits are =
spread around very well between all industry sectors. (but as with all =
technologies, those with the proprietary elements get the lion's share =
of the profits) DVD prices are still quite high, though I noticed at =
Christmas, for the first time, that the prices of DVD players had =
dropped substantially, indicating that demand is reaching critical mass. =
That means that the lower prices make DVD players more affordable =
(scarcity becomes abundance), people replace and/or supplement their =
VCR's with DVD's, and then demand for DVD media becomes larger. That =
snowballs throughout the supply chain. Still up for grabs are =
implementations of DVD recording standards established somewhat =
recently....that could start a whole new chain of events.
=20
I'd been disinclined to compare DVD's to PCs....the former early in its =
adoption life cycle, the latter late in its business life cycle =
(maturity phase, though arguably not yet in the decline phase).
=20
Katherine
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kelly <mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com> Short=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: DVD's (was [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)
Katherine-
=20
A wealth of information as usual- thank you. But WHO makes money in this =
business? Is it Blockbuster? Philips/Sony? Movie Studios? Fed-Ex? Or =
does anyone make money in DVD's (has it gone the way of the pc)?
=20
I appreciate your opinions- Kelly
- -----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:27 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: DVD's (was [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)
For starters:
=20
- -DVD distributors such as DISK, HDL etc
- -Retailers such as AMZN, BBY etc
- -Hardware---runs the gamut from gaming hardware (Nintendo, XBox, etc), =
to video chips to handle the increased graphics requirements, to -DVD =
players (Samsung, Matsushita), to chips (INTC and some specialty chip =
makers), to DVD drive makers, etc.
- -Software, such as NAVR and ROXI etc.
- -Hardware components distributors such as TECD, IM, Games Makers who =
will beef up games offereings given the extra content capabilities of =
DVD based games, etc.
- -etc
- -etc
=20
Katherine
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kelly Short <mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com> =20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
Katherine-
=20
I think you recapped the past three weeks worth of conversations- we're =
all bored! So let me pose this question to the group: DVD's. Who makes =
money off DVD's?=20
- -----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:40 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
Hi Kelly,
=20
The '87 crash was considerably different....far more an event than a =
process as is the current Bear which is undoing the excesses of the late =
'90's. At that time, cocktail conversations rarely included talk of =
stocks, but on Black Monday...people who didn't even know what the stock =
market was all about were gathered around the TV at lunch time. In =
retrospect, the Fed's quick intervention and the adjustments to program =
trading guidelines made this a blip on the bull market screen, so the =
"throwing in the towel" talk was far more short-lived than now. Most =
folks investing these days know little of what creates value and =
perceived value in the stock market. Even fewer are students of market =
history. But I'd bet the same conversations could be heard in the 30's =
and the 60's. Sometimes the best way to *really* learn it is to live it.
=20
Besides, we're bored to tears..... :)) But I *am* enjoying the time off =
to pursue summer reading...throw away novels of little consequence, =
mindless fluff ....ah, what a pleasure!
=20
Katherine
=20
=20
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kelly Short <mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com> =20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
If I were new to this earth and had just learned what the US stock =
market was by reading the comments shared this morning post-Worldcom I'd =
think the stock market was going bye-bye. I'll admit- I'm still wet =
behind the ears when it comes to investing experience but I can't for a =
minute believe that the same types of comments weren't passed around =
(albeit pre-Internet, shiver) regarding the 1987 crash. Can anyone =
remember back that far? I am correct and memory short? Or this truly =
"new"? Sorry folks- I was in the sixth grade in 1987.
Kelly
P.S. - thanks for the "Wall Street" quotes- it's the most used DVD I =
own!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
[mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:18 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
At the risk of being corny, I thought I'd dig up some quotes from the =
movie
"Wall Street" (because Hollywood tells us everything we need to know =
about
life ;-)
"The main thing about money, Bud, is that it makes you do things you =
don't
want to do."
"Stop going for the easy buck and start producing something with your =
life.
Create, instead of living off the buying and selling of others."=20
"Stick to the fundamentals. That's how IBM and Hilton were built."
"There are no shotcuts. Quick-buck artists come and go with every bull
market, but the steady players make it through the bear markets."
"You're on a roll, kid. Enjoy it while it lasts, becuase it never =
does."
and, of course...
"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that
moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the
abyss."
Of course, the movie is packed with many more "bullish" quotes, but =
those
will have to wait for another day.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Winston Little [mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:33 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
People in the rust belt are back in style.
I believe the expression is "The meek shall inherit the earth".
There is merit to the people who work and sweat for a living, instead of =
the
glorified crooks of the past three years.
Remember all those clowns forming companies (with NO EARNINGS) that had
market capitalization greater than that of General Motors?
Today:
Lear LEI is up.They make car seats and interior parts.
Delphi DPH guided up yesterday. They make electronic parts for cars =
(mostly
GM).
Visteon VC guided up this morning.They make car parts (mostly for Ford).
P&G ( as Duke pointed out) is up. Soap, toothpaste and paper towels.
Donnelly DON (mirrors for cars) is to be bought out by Magna (they make =
car
parts) at 38% premium.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Duke Miller" < dukemill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: < canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
> Absolutely.
>
> P&G is up over $1 at the open this a.m. Up 16% this year. 43% last =
two
> years. Soap, toothpaste, quality people. All things you can count
> (on).
>
> Duke
>
> (I do have a position in P&G)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Winston Little
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:48 AM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
>
>
> There may be some merit to companies that make goods that I can see,
> touch and count such as houses, cars, chemicals.
>
> There may also be some merit to companies that pay dividends, as the
> crooks are less likely to borrow or steal funds to pay dividends.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Cameron" < dfcameron@yahoo.com>
> To: < canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:33 AM
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
>
>
> > Rocky (and all),
> >
> > Yeah... this is amazing. As a professional statistician, the =
recent
> > events show why I don't use classical statistical techniques in
> > investing. I sold all my individual holdings in November - haven't
> > bought back in. Still hold the mutual funds for long term, but
> > continue to watch them dwindle.
> >
> > My line to people at work is that I'll be working until I'm 80....
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- Rocky Sanghvi < rs@mylodestar.com> wrote:
> > > I wish I could say that today coming blowoff will be the last one.
> > > There are other skeletons in the closet. More importantly the
> > > impact of the
> > > dropping dollar will be enormous in our highly leveraged financial
> > > system.
> > >
> > > From ECON 101
> > > Until now we were managing to balance our foreign deficits by =
inflow
>
> > > of cash from other countries into our markets. The falling dollar
> > > is an indication
> > > that money is moving OUT of the country. Watch out for the ripple
> > > effects.
> > >
> > > Unless ofcourse we attack Iraq immediately and thereby create "a
> > > demand" for
> > > the the safety of the American dollar. ;) I guess I am cynical.
> > > Today
> > > the market lost me as an investor for a very long time. I quit.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Winston =
Little
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:34 AM
> > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The mantra of the clowns:
> > > "I want it ALL"
> > > "Give it to me NOW"
> > > "It is MINE, I deserve it"
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kent Norman" < kent_norman@yahoo.com>
> > > To: < canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:12 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
> > >
> > >
> > > > The answer is:
> > > >
> > > > The same childish, short-sighted, immediate satisfaction that
> > > blinds
> > > > them to the possibility that there is a tomorrow... They run the
> > > > business like they live their life. All today and no tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > Kent Norman
> > > >
> > > > --- "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]"
> > > < john.cefaloni@us.army.mil>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Well said, Tom. What is it that makes people do things for
> > > temporary
> > > > > gain
> > > > > when they know they'll probably get slammed for it in the
> > > future?
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it's just greed, stupidity and arrogance.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:53 AM
> > > > > To: CANSLIM
> > > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > once again, Andersen strikes again, this time by signing off =
on
> > > > > Worldcom hiding over $3 billion in expenses as capital
> > > > > expenditures, and
> > > thus
> > > > > inflating cash flow. Restatement expected to take away last
> > > five
> > > > > quarters of
> > > > > profits and turn them into losses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who gave this sanction to a deviation from GAAP (Generally
> > > Accepted
> > > > > Accounting Principles)?? Andersen, of course. It's clear that
> > > Enron
> > > > > was only
> > > > > the tip of the iceberg, as if Waste Management, Sunbeam, and a
> > > host
> > > > > of other
> > > > > companies were not sufficient warning of major problems in
> > > corporate
> > > > > policy
> > > > > and infrastructure. Sad to see a great name like Andersen
> > > prostituted
> > > > > to
> > > > > selling its certification services for any price, but also
> > > clear that
> > > > > it
> > > > > must disappear from corporate America. And until every major
> > > company
> > > > > audited
> > > > > by Andersen undergoes a special review by the SEC on =
accounting
> > > > > practices, I doubt anyone will believe that we have finally =
seen
>
> > > > > it all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Worley
> > > > > stkguru@bellsouth.net
> > > > > AIM: TexWorley
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D068082120-26062002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Katherine,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D068082120-26062002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D068082120-26062002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Well-=20
the answer may be that no one is making money in DVD's (at least not =
yet). I did=20
a cursory run down of DVD distributors, equipment manufacturers, piracy=20
solutions makers, etc. with sales growth of 20% or more and assets of =
$50M or=20
more. The list is short and when you look at the IBD overall score- =
well, let's=20
just say that WON isn't a fan. Most of the stars (if we can call them =
that) are=20
traded outside the states. Oh well- I still think there's something to =
be had=20
there (especially with Circuit City moving exclusively to DVD offerings =
over=20
VHS) but I can't figure out what. For spreadsheet: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.kellyrshort.com/canslim/dvd_companies.xls">http://www.=
kellyrshort.com/canslim/dvd_companies.xls</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D068082120-26062002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D068082120-26062002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Kelly</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Katherine Malm=20
[mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 26, 2002 =
12:09=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
DVD's (was=20
[CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Kelly,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm not intimately familiar with all the names under this =
macrotheme, but=20
in general, I'd say that the shift to DVD-based entertainment has been =
substantial and any time there is a secular shift in technology, there =
are=20
real profits to be had. In this case, I think the profits are spread =
around=20
very well between all industry sectors. (but as with all technologies, =
those=20
with the proprietary elements get the lion's share of the profits) =
DVD=20
prices are still quite high, though I noticed at Christmas, for the =
first=20
time, that the prices of DVD players had dropped substantially, =
indicating=20
that demand is reaching critical mass. That means that the lower =
prices make=20
DVD players more affordable (scarcity becomes abundance), people =
replace=20
and/or supplement their VCR's with DVD's, and then demand for DVD =
media=20
becomes larger. That snowballs throughout the supply chain. Still up =
for grabs=20
are implementations of DVD recording standards established somewhat=20
recently....that could start a whole new chain of events.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'd been disinclined to compare DVD's to PCs....the former early =
in its=20
adoption life cycle, the latter late in its business life cycle =
(maturity=20
phase, though arguably not yet in the decline phase).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkelly.short@neoris.com =
href=3D"mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com">Kelly=20
Short</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 26, =
2002 11:42=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: DVD's (was =
[CANSLIM] WCOM=20
restatement)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D957284016-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Katherine-</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D957284016-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D957284016-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>A=20
wealth of information as usual- thank you. But WHO makes money in =
this=20
business? Is it Blockbuster? Philips/Sony? Movie Studios? Fed-Ex? Or =
does=20
anyone make money in DVD's (has it gone the way of the=20
pc)?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D957284016-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D957284016-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
appreciate your opinions- Kelly</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Katherine Malm =
[mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 26, =
2002=20
11:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
DVD's (was [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>For starters:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-DVD distributors such as DISK, HDL etc</DIV>
<DIV>-Retailers such as AMZN, BBY etc</DIV>
<DIV>-Hardware---runs the gamut from gaming hardware (Nintendo, =
XBox,=20
etc), to video chips to handle the increased graphics =
requirements, to=20
-DVD players (Samsung, Matsushita), to chips (INTC and some =
specialty chip=20
makers), to DVD drive makers, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>-Software, such as NAVR and ROXI etc.</DIV>
<DIV>-Hardware components distributors such as TECD, IM, Games =
Makers who=20
will beef up games offereings given the extra content capabilities =
of DVD=20
based games, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>-etc</DIV>
<DIV>-etc</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkelly.short@neoris.com=20
href=3D"mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com">Kelly Short</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 26, =
2002=20
10:50 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
WCOM=20
restatement</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D802075015-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Katherine-</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D802075015-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D802075015-26062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>I think you recapped the past three weeks worth of =
conversations-=20
we're all bored! So let me pose this question to the group: =
DVD's. Who=20
makes money off DVD's? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Katherine =
Malm=20
[mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June =
26, 2002=20
10:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Kelly,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The '87 crash was considerably different....far more an =
event=20
than a process as is the current Bear which is undoing the =
excesses of=20
the late '90's. At that time, cocktail conversations rarely =
included=20
talk of stocks, but on Black Monday...people who didn't even =
know what=20
the stock market was all about were gathered around the TV at =
lunch=20
time. In retrospect, the Fed's quick intervention and the =
adjustments=20
to program trading guidelines made this a blip on the bull =
market=20
screen, so the "throwing in the towel" talk was far more =
short-lived=20
than now. Most folks investing these days know little of what =
creates=20
value and perceived value in the stock market. Even fewer are =
students=20
of market history. But I'd bet the same conversations could be =
heard=20
in the 30's and the 60's. Sometimes the best way to *really* =
learn it=20
is to live it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Besides, we're bored to tears..... :)) But I *am* =
enjoying the=20
time off to pursue summer reading...throw away novels of =
little=20
consequence, mindless fluff ....ah, what a pleasure!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkelly.short@neoris.com=20
href=3D"mailto:kelly.short@neoris.com">Kelly Short</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June =
26, 2002=20
10:25 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[CANSLIM] WCOM=20
restatement</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>If I were new to this earth and had just =
learned what=20
the US stock market was by reading the comments shared this =
morning=20
post-Worldcom I'd think the stock market was going bye-bye. =
I'll=20
admit- I'm still wet behind the ears when it comes to =
investing=20
experience but I can't for a minute believe that the same =
types of=20
comments weren't passed around (albeit pre-Internet, shiver) =
regarding the 1987 crash. Can anyone remember back that far? =
I am=20
correct and memory short? Or this truly "new"? Sorry folks- =
I was in=20
the sixth grade in 1987.<BR><BR>Kelly<BR><BR>P.S. - thanks =
for the=20
"Wall Street" quotes- it's the most used DVD I=20
own!<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Cefaloni, =
John L Jr.=20
=
[AMSTA-AR-WEA]<BR>[mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil]<BR>Sent:=20
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:18 AM<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:'canslim@lists.xmission.com'">'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=
</A><BR>Subject:=20
RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement<BR><BR><BR>At the risk of =
being=20
corny, I thought I'd dig up some quotes from the =
movie<BR>"Wall=20
Street" (because Hollywood tells us everything we need to =
know=20
about<BR>life ;-)<BR><BR>"The main thing about money, Bud, =
is that=20
it makes you do things you don't<BR>want to =
do."<BR><BR>"Stop going=20
for the easy buck and start producing something with your=20
life.<BR>Create, instead of living off the buying and =
selling of=20
others." <BR><BR>"Stick to the fundamentals. That's =
how IBM=20
and Hilton were built."<BR><BR>"There are no shotcuts. =
Quick-buck artists come and go with every bull<BR>market, =
but the=20
steady players make it through the bear =
markets."<BR><BR>"You're on=20
a roll, kid. Enjoy it while it lasts, becuase it never =
does."<BR><BR>and, of course...<BR><BR>"Man looks in the =
abyss,=20
there's nothing staring back at him. At that<BR>moment, man =
finds=20
his character. And that is what keeps him out of=20
the<BR>abyss."<BR><BR>Of course, the movie is packed with =
many more=20
"bullish" quotes, but those<BR>will have to wait for another =
day.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Winston =
Little=20
[mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, =
2002=20
10:33 AM<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR>Subject:=20
Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement<BR><BR><BR>People in the rust =
belt=20
are back in style.<BR><BR>I believe the expression is "The =
meek=20
shall inherit the earth".<BR>There is merit to the people =
who work=20
and sweat for a living, instead of the<BR>glorified crooks =
of the=20
past three years.<BR>Remember all those clowns forming =
companies=20
(with NO EARNINGS) that had<BR>market capitalization greater =
than=20
that of General Motors?<BR><BR>Today:<BR>Lear LEI is up.They =
make=20
car seats and interior parts.<BR>Delphi DPH guided up =
yesterday.=20
They make electronic parts for cars =
(mostly<BR>GM).<BR>Visteon VC=20
guided up this morning.They make car parts (mostly for=20
Ford).<BR>P&G ( as Duke pointed out) is up. Soap, =
toothpaste and=20
paper towels.<BR>Donnelly DON (mirrors for cars) is to =
be=20
bought out by Magna (they make car<BR>parts) at 38%=20
premium.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message =
- -----<BR>From:=20
"Duke Miller" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com">dukemill@tampabay.rr.com</A>>=
<BR>To:=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>Sent:=20
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
WCOM=20
restatement<BR><BR><BR>> Absolutely.<BR>><BR>> =
P&G is=20
up over $1 at the open this a.m. Up 16% this =
year. 43%=20
last two<BR>> years. Soap, toothpaste, quality=20
people. All things you can count<BR>> =
(on).<BR>><BR>>=20
Duke<BR>><BR>> (I do have a position in=20
P&G)<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> =
From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com">owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com</A><BR>>=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
Winston=20
Little<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:48 =
AM<BR>> To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR>>=20
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM =
restatement<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
There may be some merit to companies that make goods that I =
can=20
see,<BR>> touch and count such as houses, cars,=20
chemicals.<BR>><BR>> There may also be some merit to =
companies=20
that pay dividends, as the<BR>> crooks are less likely to =
borrow=20
or steal funds to pay dividends.<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
- -----=20
Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Dave Cameron" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:dfcameron@yahoo.com">dfcameron@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>=20
To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>>=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:33 AM<BR>> Subject: RE:=20
[CANSLIM] WCOM restatement<BR>><BR>><BR>> > =
Rocky (and=20
all),<BR>> ><BR>> > Yeah... this is =
amazing. =20
As a professional statistician, the recent<BR>> > =
events show=20
why I don't use classical statistical techniques in<BR>> =
>=20
investing. I sold all my individual holdings in =
November=20
- haven't<BR>> > bought back in. Still =
hold the=20
mutual funds for long term, but<BR>> > continue to =
watch them=20
dwindle.<BR>> ><BR>> > My line to people at work =
is that=20
I'll be working until I'm 80....<BR>> ><BR>> >=20
Dave<BR>> ><BR>> > --- Rocky Sanghvi <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rs@mylodestar.com">rs@mylodestar.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> > > I wish I could say that today =
coming=20
blowoff will be the last one.<BR>> > > There are =
other=20
skeletons in the closet. More importantly the<BR>> =
>=20
> impact of the<BR>> > > dropping dollar will be =
enormous in our highly leveraged financial<BR>> > > =
system.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > From ECON =
101<BR>>=20
> > Until now we were managing to balance our foreign =
deficits=20
by inflow<BR>><BR>> > > of cash from other =
countries=20
into our markets. The falling dollar<BR>> > > =
is an=20
indication<BR>> > > that money is moving OUT of the =
country. Watch out for the ripple<BR>> > >=20
effects.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Unless ofcourse =
we=20
attack Iraq immediately and thereby create "a<BR>> > =
>=20
demand" for<BR>> > > the the safety of the American =
dollar. ;) I guess I am cynical.<BR>> =
> >=20
Today<BR>> > > the market lost me as an investor =
for a very=20
long time. I quit.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > =
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > > From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com">owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com</A><BR>>=20
> > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf =
Of=20
Winston Little<BR>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, =
2002 8:34=20
AM<BR>> > > To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR>>=20
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement<BR>> =
>=20
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > =
The=20
mantra of the clowns:<BR>> > > "I want it =
ALL"<BR>> >=20
> "Give it to me NOW"<BR>> > > "It is MINE, I =
deserve=20
it"<BR>> > ><BR>> > > ----- Original =
Message=20
-----<BR>> > > From: "Kent Norman" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:kent_norman@yahoo.com">kent_norman@yahoo.com</A>><BR>&g=
t;=20
> > To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>>=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:12 AM<BR>> =
> >=20
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WCOM restatement<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > > > The answer is:<BR>> > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > The same childish, =
short-sighted,=20
immediate satisfaction that<BR>> > > blinds<BR>> =
>=20
> > them to the possibility that there is a =
tomorrow... They=20
run the<BR>> > > > business like they live their =
life.=20
All today and no tomorrow.<BR>> > > ><BR>> =
> >=20
> Kent Norman<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > =
> ---=20
"Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]"<BR>> > > =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil">john.cefaloni@us.army.mil</A>&g=
t;<BR>>=20
> > > wrote:<BR>> > > > > Well said, =
Tom. What is it that makes people do things =
for<BR>> >=20
> temporary<BR>> > > > > gain<BR>> > =
>=20
> > when they know they'll probably get slammed for it =
in=20
the<BR>> > > future?<BR>> > > > =
><BR>>=20
> > > > I guess it's just greed, stupidity and=20
arrogance.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > =
> >=20
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > > > > From: =
Tom=20
Worley [mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net]<BR>> > > > =
>=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:53 AM<BR>> > > =
> >=20
To: CANSLIM<BR>> > > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] =
WCOM=20
restatement<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > > once again, Andersen =
strikes again,=20
this time by signing off on<BR>> > > > > =
Worldcom=20
hiding over $3 billion in expenses as capital<BR>> > =
> >=20
> expenditures, and<BR>> > > thus<BR>> > =
> >=20
> inflating cash flow. Restatement expected to take away=20
last<BR>> > > five<BR>> > > > > =
quarters=20
of<BR>> > > > > profits and turn them into=20
losses.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > =
> Who=20
gave this sanction to a deviation from GAAP =
(Generally<BR>> >=20
> Accepted<BR>> > > > > Accounting =
Principles)??=20
Andersen, of course. It's clear that<BR>> > > =
Enron<BR>>=20
> > > > was only<BR>> > > > > the =
tip of=20
the iceberg, as if Waste Management, Sunbeam, and a<BR>> =
>=20
> host<BR>> > > > > of other<BR>> > =
>=20
> > companies were not sufficient warning of major =
problems=20
in<BR>> > > corporate<BR>> > > > >=20
policy<BR>> > > > > and infrastructure. Sad =
to see a=20
great name like Andersen<BR>> > > =
prostituted<BR>> >=20
> > > to<BR>> > > > > selling its=20
certification services for any price, but also<BR>> > =
>=20
clear that<BR>> > > > > it<BR>> > > =
>=20
> must disappear from corporate America. And until every=20
major<BR>> > > company<BR>> > > > >=20
audited<BR>> > > > > by Andersen undergoes a =
special=20
review by the SEC on accounting<BR>> > > > >=20
practices, I doubt anyone will believe that we have finally=20
seen<BR>><BR>> > > > > it all.<BR>> =
> >=20
> ><BR>> > > > > Tom Worley<BR>> =
> >=20
> > <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net">stkguru@bellsouth.net</A><BR>>=20
> > > > AIM: TexWorley<BR>> > > >=20
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