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canslim-digest Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1448
In this issue:
[CANSLIM] DJ Utilities Index
Re: [CANSLIM] Direction of M
Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
Re: [CANSLIM] cheapest way to get DGO online
Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
SRDX (was Re: [CANSLIM] e trade)
[CANSLIM] How many does it take to make WON cautious?
RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:28:18 -0400
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: [CANSLIM] DJ Utilities Index
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Did I miss something regarding the Utilities groups?
Noticed this morning that this index was hit with heavy selling for the =
second day, down about 3% for Wednesday alone. Volume about twice =
normal. Scrolled thru all the stocks in the index. The two biggest (EXC, =
D) are each about 10% of the index, and both down hard on well over =
double ADV. But so were almost all the others as well.
Anybody got an explanation? Is big money finally scaling out of =
utilities?
If so, where is it going, bonds or stocks? Or something else?
Tom Worley
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Did I miss something regarding the Utilities=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Noticed this morning that this index was hit with =
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twice normal. Scrolled thru all the stocks in the index. The two biggest =
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something=20
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:20:52 -0400
From: "Steven Limbert" <canslimsl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Direction of M
Bottom Line about sentiment is it is almost always wrong. Positive sentiment
means negative market..
SL
>From: "Patrick Wahl" <pwahl@prodigy.net>
>Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Direction of M
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:05:59 -0600
>
>
>
>On 6 Jun 01, at 8:51, Tom Worley wrote:
>
>
> > Bottom line, "M" is ultimately determined by investor sentiment,
> > and right now that sentiment is quite positive despite what the
> > media sometimes chooses to report.
>
>Whoa - don't we mean that M is ultimately determined by
>economic factors? Short term it is probably all investor sentiment,
>but over the long haul nothing does anything without strong
>underlying economic fundamentals, whether a company or the
>economy as a whole. I guess you could argue that the market
>can't go up without positive investor sentiment, but that is derived
>from a positive economic outlook.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:32:00 -0400
From: "Steven Limbert" <canslimsl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
Has the broker called you yet to tell you about their "mistake"
If it touched 53.90 and you were filled at 55 1/4 I would be amazed.
SL
>From: BIKEAR@aol.com
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>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:28:25 EDT
>
>I put a stop in at 53.90 and etrade stopped it out at 551/4 can anyone
>explain why they stopped it there
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:09:07 -0400
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
not if it was a buy stop. Everyone is assuming it was a sell,
that's why I asked the questions I did, to which BIKEAR has not
answered.
Tom Worley
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
Has the broker called you yet to tell you about their "mistake"
If it touched 53.90 and you were filled at 55 1/4 I would be
amazed.
SL
>From: BIKEAR@aol.com
>Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:28:25 EDT
>
>I put a stop in at 53.90 and etrade stopped it out at 551/4 can
anyone
>explain why they stopped it there
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:34:49 EDT
From: BIKEAR@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
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It was a sell stop......I had the stock for only two days it was srdx
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:43:24 -0400
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
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What day was the stop executed?
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
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It was a sell stop......I had the stock for only two days it was srdx =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What day was the stop executed?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:48:59 -0400
From: "Doug Shannon" <dshannon@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
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I am probably over simplifying the issue, but trying to understand it
better, and pay a little more attention. So looking for some educating and
advice from those that understand the topic better.
If I essentially ignore completely down days where the volume was less
than ADV, then I find the following since April 1:
NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - yesterday clearly by any
definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the prior day,
which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be meaningful
NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear distributional. Again
yesterday was not due lighter volume
DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional
Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 distributional
S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30 distributional
The questions I have:
Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply ignore down days where
volume is less than ADV? No, your analysis is quite good. I, too would
ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days are clearly not
distributional.
Is this summary essentially accurate? yes
How far back in time to you have to consider? What restarts the counting
from zero? I don't think in terms of ever re-starting the count. I just
look for at least 4+ days of distribution in any 2-3 week period, The only
time I would consider a distribution day where vol. was less than ADV is if
the price action is wide and loose.
Tom Worley
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am probably over simplifying the issue, but =
trying to=20
understand it better, and pay a little more attention. So looking for =
some=20
educating and advice from those that understand the topic =
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If I essentially ignore completely down days where =
the=20
volume was less than ADV, then I find the following since April=20
1:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - yesterday =
clearly by=20
any definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the =
prior day,=20
which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be=20
meaningful</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear=20
distributional. Again yesterday was not due lighter =
volume</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 =
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30=20
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The questions I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply =
ignore down=20
days where volume is less than ADV?<SPAN =
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> No, your analysis is quite =
good. I,=20
too would ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days are =
clearly not=20
distributional. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this summary essentially accurate?<SPAN=20
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> =20
yes </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How far back in time to you have to consider? What =
restarts=20
the counting from zero?<SPAN class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff> I don't think in terms of ever re-starting =
the=20
count. I just look for at least 4+ days of distribution in=20
any 2-3 week period, The only time I would consider a =
distribution=20
day where vol. was less than ADV is if the price action is wide and=20
loose.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
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TexWorley<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: 7 Jun 2001 06:54:17 -0700
From: "Tim Fisher" <tim@orerockon.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] cheapest way to get DGO online
Look at Ian Woodward's site. He offers QP2/IRL screens on a CD which are so
close to CANSLIM that it would take little modification to get them to
where you want them.
At 08:16 PM 6/6/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>There is a whole cult of folks trying to construct IBD clone type screens on
>TC2000 bb's......check out the Yahoo club.
>I tried TC2000 but the screens were not close enough to DGO to be of use to
>me. I've bagged that program, and I 'm not finding QP/2 that
>intuitive/useful, which surprises me. Right now I'm thinking about giving
>up on VectorVest (too bad, there are a lot of things about this package I
>really like), and taking the plunge for a DGO subscription.
>
>Good luck
>
>Perry
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kent Norman" <kent_norman@yahoo.com>
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] cheapest way to get DGO online
>
>
> > Sounds like you are trying to reinvent the wheel that
> > WON has been using...
> >
> > Kent Norman
> >
> > --- yxia@itginc.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> > > As you can tell, I am still looking for the ultimate
> > > screener tool I can use to
> > > form the best canslim watchlist.
> > > I want to be able to go back in history to find a
> > > list of canslim stocks, then
> > > construct a portfolio out of the list,
> > > then watch the performance of this portfolio. I
> > > believe this is a more objective
> > > way to see how canslim
> > > concepts really work. When the screener is done,
> > > then I want to screen the whole
> > > universe of US mid-small
> > > cap stocks to find the best candidates.
> > >
> > > I know there are bigeasy, tc2000, dgo online around,
> > > but seem to me they can
> > > only give you a current screen, but
> > > cannot go back into history to do the screen at
> > > sometime before. Let alone the
> > > performance tracking, i.e. back testing.
> > > wallstreetcity.com has a tool that somewhat
> > > satisfies my requirement, but the
> > > criteria it provides just suck. I guess
> > > their web developpers have never heard about WON.
> > >
> > > Can anyone shed some light on this issue? Am I
> > > missing anything?
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot.
> > >
> > > Yang
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:56:29 -0400
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
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Thanks, Doug,
So you never look any further back than a max of 3 weeks?
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
I am probably over simplifying the issue, but trying to understand =
it better, and pay a little more attention. So looking for some =
educating and advice from those that understand the topic better.
If I essentially ignore completely down days where the volume was =
less than ADV, then I find the following since April 1:
NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - yesterday clearly by any =
definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the prior day, =
which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be meaningful
NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear distributional. Again =
yesterday was not due lighter volume
DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional
Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 distributional
S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30 distributional
The questions I have:
Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply ignore down days where =
volume is less than ADV? No, your analysis is quite good. I, too would =
ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days are clearly not =
distributional.=20
Is this summary essentially accurate? yes=20
How far back in time to you have to consider? What restarts the =
counting from zero? I don't think in terms of ever re-starting the =
count. I just look for at least 4+ days of distribution in any 2-3 week =
period, The only time I would consider a distribution day where vol. =
was less than ADV is if the price action is wide and loose.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So you never look any further back than a max of 3=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
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TexWorley<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<A href=3D"mailto:dshannon@austin.rr.com" =
title=3Ddshannon@austin.rr.com>Doug=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2001 =
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Distribution=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am probably over simplifying the issue, but =
trying to=20
understand it better, and pay a little more attention. So looking =
for some=20
educating and advice from those that understand the topic=20
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If I essentially ignore completely down days =
where the=20
volume was less than ADV, then I find the following since April=20
1:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - =
yesterday clearly=20
by any definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the =
prior=20
day, which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be=20
meaningful</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear=20
distributional. Again yesterday was not due lighter =
volume</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 =
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30=20
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The questions I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply =
ignore down=20
days where volume is less than ADV?<SPAN =
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial> No, your analysis is quite =
good. =20
I, too would ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days =
are=20
clearly not distributional. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this summary essentially accurate?<SPAN=20
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial> =
yes </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How far back in time to you have to consider? =
What=20
restarts the counting from zero?<SPAN =
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial> I don't think in terms of =
ever=20
re-starting the count. I just look for at least 4+ days of =
distribution in any 2-3 week period, The only time I =
would=20
consider a distribution day where vol. was less than ADV is if the =
price=20
action is wide and loose.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:01:27 EDT
From: BIKEAR@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
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I bought at 58.46 6/5 sold 6/6 551/4 at 6/6 but stop in at 53.90
does etrade do this sort of stuff.....I have never had this before
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I bought at 58.46 6/5 sold 6/6 551/4 at 6/6 but stop in at 53.90
<BR>does etrade do this sort of stuff.....I have never had this before</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:09:48 -0500
From: "David Squires" <dcsquires1@home.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
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NASDAQ had an important dist. day on 5-22.
Dsquires
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Doug Shannon=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
=20
I am probably over simplifying the issue, but trying to understand =
it better, and pay a little more attention. So looking for some =
educating and advice from those that understand the topic better.
If I essentially ignore completely down days where the volume was =
less than ADV, then I find the following since April 1:
NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - yesterday clearly by any =
definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the prior day, =
which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be meaningful
NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear distributional. Again =
yesterday was not due lighter volume
DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional
Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 distributional
S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30 distributional
The questions I have:
Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply ignore down days where =
volume is less than ADV? No, your analysis is quite good. I, too would =
ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days are clearly not =
distributional.=20
Is this summary essentially accurate? yes=20
How far back in time to you have to consider? What restarts the =
counting from zero? I don't think in terms of ever re-starting the =
count. I just look for at least 4+ days of distribution in any 2-3 week =
period, The only time I would consider a distribution day where vol. =
was less than ADV is if the price action is wide and loose.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NASDAQ had an important dist. day on =
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=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2001 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
Distribution=20
Days</DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2><BR><BR></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am probably over simplifying the issue, but =
trying to=20
understand it better, and pay a little more attention. So looking =
for some=20
educating and advice from those that understand the topic=20
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If I essentially ignore completely down days =
where the=20
volume was less than ADV, then I find the following since April=20
1:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - =
yesterday clearly=20
by any definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the =
prior=20
day, which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be=20
meaningful</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear=20
distributional. Again yesterday was not due lighter =
volume</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 =
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30=20
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The questions I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply =
ignore down=20
days where volume is less than ADV?<SPAN =
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> No, your analysis is quite =
good. =20
I, too would ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days =
are=20
clearly not distributional. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this summary essentially accurate?<SPAN=20
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> =
yes </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How far back in time to you have to consider? =
What=20
restarts the counting from zero?<SPAN =
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> I don't think in terms of =
ever=20
re-starting the count. I just look for at least 4+ days of =
distribution in any 2-3 week period, The only time I =
would=20
consider a distribution day where vol. was less than ADV is if the =
price=20
action is wide and loose.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:20:06 -0400
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: SRDX (was Re: [CANSLIM] e trade)
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The facts, as I quickly gather them up, is that you entered a sell stop =
order at 53.90 but were executed well above on 6/6 at 55.14.
Having bot 6/5, the day's trading range was 56.65 to 59.25. On 6/6, the =
range was 54.85 to 58.96. Neither day should have triggered your stop. =
The stock is now bid at 55.76, slightly above your execution price.
If you want the stock back, make a protest. E-trade once again screwed =
up. Explaining it is their problem, but the bottom line is your stop =
(assuming you entered it correctly) should never have been touched.
I have heard complaints before that E-trade allows pre and post market =
trading to trigger stops, even on orders only for regular trading hours. =
Seems to be a glitch in their IT systems.
The stock has an ADV of 140K shares, so hardly illiquid. Last quote I =
checked it had a 26 cent spread.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] e trade
I bought at 58.46 6/5 sold 6/6 551/4 at 6/6 but stop in at 53.90 =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The facts, as I quickly gather them up, is that you =
entered a=20
sell stop order at 53.90 but were executed well above on 6/6 at=20
55.14.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Having bot 6/5, the day's trading range was 56.65 to =
59.25. On=20
6/6, the range was 54.85 to 58.96. Neither day should have triggered =
your stop.=20
The stock is now bid at 55.76, slightly above your execution =
price.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you want the stock back, make a protest. E-trade =
once again=20
screwed up. Explaining it is their problem, but the bottom line is your =
stop=20
(assuming you entered it correctly) should never have been =
touched.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have heard complaints before that E-trade allows =
pre and=20
post market trading to trigger stops, even on orders only for regular =
trading=20
hours. Seems to be a glitch in their IT systems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The stock has an ADV of 140K shares, so hardly =
illiquid. Last=20
quote I checked it had a 26 cent spread.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley<BR></DIV>
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<A href=3D"mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com" =
title=3DBIKEAR@aol.com>BIKEAR@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com"=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com>canslim@lists.xmission.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2001 =
10:01=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] e =
trade</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>I bought at =
58.46 6/5=20
sold 6/6 551/4 at 6/6 but stop in at 53.90=20
<BR>does etrade do this =
sort of=20
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kent Norman <kent_norman@yahoo.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] How many does it take to make WON cautious?
4
- --- Ian <ianstm@home.com> wrote:
> Tom:
>
> My recent thinking has been along the lines you
> described below. However, if we close down today on
> increasing volume from yesterday (on the NASDAQ,
> volume is already a very healthy 900,000,000 and its
> only 9:00 am on the west coast)., then we will have
> had the 4th profressional distribution day in a
> short timeframe (May 22, 29, 30 were the other 3).
> How many does it take to make WON cautious?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian
>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:25:14 -0400
From: "Doug Shannon" <dshannon@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
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I agree. 5/22 was basically flat for the day on very fast trade. Vol. was
higher than the day before and above average.
I see 2 distribution days on above average trade on the Nasdaq in the last 3
weeks: 5/22 and 5/30.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Squires
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:10 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
NASDAQ had an important dist. day on 5-22.
Dsquires
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Shannon
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Days
I am probably over simplifying the issue, but trying to understand it
better, and pay a little more attention. So looking for some educating and
advice from those that understand the topic better.
If I essentially ignore completely down days where the volume was less
than ADV, then I find the following since April 1:
NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - yesterday clearly by any
definition is not distributional as volume failed to beat the prior day,
which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too old to be meaningful
NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear distributional. Again
yesterday was not due lighter volume
DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional
Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 distributional
S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30 distributional
The questions I have:
Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply ignore down days where
volume is less than ADV? No, your analysis is quite good. I, too would
ignore down days on lighter volume. Those days are clearly not
distributional.
Is this summary essentially accurate? yes
How far back in time to you have to consider? What restarts the
counting from zero? I don't think in terms of ever re-starting the count. I
just look for at least 4+ days of distribution in any 2-3 week period, The
only time I would consider a distribution day where vol. was less than ADV
is if the price action is wide and loose.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
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agree. 5/22 was basically flat for the day on very fast =
trade. Vol.=20
was higher than the day before and above average. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903172314-07062001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D903172314-07062001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I see=20
2 distribution days on above average trade on the Nasdaq in the last 3 =
weeks:=20
5/22 and 5/30.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903172314-07062001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>David=20
Squires<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:10 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Distribution=20
Days<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NASDAQ had an important dist. day on =
5-22.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dsquires</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:dshannon@austin.rr.com">Doug=20
Shannon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2001 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am probably over simplifying the issue, but =
trying to=20
understand it better, and pay a little more attention. So looking =
for some=20
educating and advice from those that understand the topic=20
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If I essentially ignore completely down days =
where the=20
volume was less than ADV, then I find the following since April=20
1:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NASDAQ - distribution 4/3, 4/26, 5/30 - =
yesterday=20
clearly by any definition is not distributional as volume failed =
to beat=20
the prior day, which was up. And 4/3, and possibly 4/26, seem too =
old to=20
be meaningful</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NYSE Composite - 4/24, 4/30, 5/2, 5/22 appear=20
distributional. Again yesterday was not due lighter =
volume</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>DOW 30 - 4/11, 6/6 distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Russell 2000 - 4/3, 5/30 =
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>S&P 500 - 4/3, 4/4, 4/30, 5/22, 5/30=20
distributional</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The questions I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this approach too simplistic? Can I simply =
ignore=20
down days where volume is less than ADV?<SPAN=20
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff> No, your=20
analysis is quite good. I, too would ignore down days =
on=20
lighter volume. Those days are clearly not=20
distributional. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is this summary essentially accurate?<SPAN=20
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff> =20
yes </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How far back in time to you have to consider? =
What=20
restarts the counting from zero?<SPAN =
class=3D741374313-07062001><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> I don't think in terms of =
ever=20
re-starting the count. I just look for at least 4+ days =
of=20
distribution in any 2-3 week period, The only time I =
would=20
consider a distribution day where vol. was less than ADV is if the =
price=20
action is wide and loose.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
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href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
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TexWorley<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><=
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