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From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest)
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Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1045
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canslim-digest Saturday, November 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1045
In this issue:
[CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
[CANSLIM] Finding a bottom
Re: [CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
[CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
Re: [CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
[CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:26:42 -0800
From: "Mike Lucero" <mikelu@iname.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
Schwab's improved their Active Trader commissions. It's still the same
price:
Shares up to 30/qtr 31-60/qtr >60
1000 29.95 19.95 14.95
>1000 .03/shr .02 .01/shr
min 14.95
but now your commission level is carried into the next quarter instead of
resetting to 29.95/ .03/shr.
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:59:11 -0500
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Finding a bottom
Futures suggest we will not only open down several percent on
Nasdaq, but will continue to seek a bottom. I still think we may
have to break 3000 before this is all over.
The markets really hate uncertainty, and this election is killing
us, unless you are smart enough to be 100% cash. And it's all
happening in my back yard, oh to live such an interesting life!
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
ICQ # 5568838
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Date: 10 Nov 2000 06:53:08 -0800
From: "Tim Fisher" <tim@orerockon.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
So when does it reset? 2001? I got it once during the height of the feeding
frenzy this spring.
At 11:26 PM 11/9/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Schwab's improved their Active Trader commissions. It's still the same
>price:
>
>Shares up to 30/qtr 31-60/qtr >60
>1000 29.95 19.95 14.95
> >1000 .03/shr .02 .01/shr
>min 14.95
>
>but now your commission level is carried into the next quarter instead of
>resetting to 29.95/ .03/shr.
>
>
>-
Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists
Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site
PFB Information
mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW http://OreRockOn.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:59:55 -0600
From: "D & N Boyd" <theboyd@tisd.net>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
Hello, I have been reading the digest for several months now and find it
very interesting. I currently have subscribed to receive only the digest.
I have just begun to invest in stocks so my learning curve is still very
steep. Hopefully it will remain that way for awhile.
I live on the gulf coast of Texas where I work as a fisheries biologist. I
am married and live out in the country with my wife, our 2 teenage daughters
and what ever animals 'follow' them home.
Thought I would relay an investors.com response to some questions I had. It
looks like their site will take a giant step forward soon.
Questions:
1. In the future, after beta testing, will print edition archives be
available to print subscribers. I am really tired of saving newspapers
- -
fire hazard you know! And, will these archives be searchable so that we
don't have to keep an index of all potentially usefull articles.
2. Will there be an online stock screen available to print subscribers?
Response:
Dear Mr. Boyd:
Thank you for your inquiry.
We are currently in the beta testing stage of our new website,
www.investors.com. When the final version is launched, probably within
the next few weeks, there will be an extensive article archive
available. A fee structure for access, as it pertains to
subscribers/non-subscribers, has not been finalized.
Our programmers are planning on adding a new search feature to the site
which will allow you to generate a list of stocks that meet the specific
criteria you set forth.
This feature is not online yet but will probably be ready shortly after
the beta "test" period is over. A specific date has not been given yet.
Stay tuned!
Best regards,
investors.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:11:50 -0800
From: Tim Fisher <tim@OreRockOn.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
Cool, another fish squeezer! Welcome aboard!
On 10:59 AM 11/10/00, D & N Boyd Said:
>Hello, I have been reading the digest for several months now and find it
>very interesting. I currently have subscribed to receive only the digest.
>I have just begun to invest in stocks so my learning curve is still very
>steep. Hopefully it will remain that way for awhile.
>
>I live on the gulf coast of Texas where I work as a fisheries biologist. I
>am married and live out in the country with my wife, our 2 teenage daughters
>and what ever animals 'follow' them home.
Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites
Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
See naked fish and rocks!
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:37:14 -0500
From: Surindra Singh <sjs7b@virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
i thought biologist and squeezer are way apart...
surindra
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Fisher" <tim@OreRockOn.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Norman Boyd
Cool, another fish squeezer! Welcome aboard!
On 10:59 AM 11/10/00, D & N Boyd Said:
>Hello, I have been reading the digest for several months now and find it
>very interesting. I currently have subscribed to receive only the digest.
>I have just begun to invest in stocks so my learning curve is still very
>steep. Hopefully it will remain that way for awhile.
>
>I live on the gulf coast of Texas where I work as a fisheries biologist. I
>am married and live out in the country with my wife, our 2 teenage
daughters
>and what ever animals 'follow' them home.
Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites
Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
See naked fish and rocks!
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:18:53 -0800
From: "Mike Lucero" <mikelu@iname.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
It resets at the start of every quarter. I guess I should have said your
commission level is determined by how many trades you made the previous
quarter.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Fisher" <tim@orerockon.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Schwab commissions
So when does it reset? 2001? I got it once during the height of the feeding
frenzy this spring.
At 11:26 PM 11/9/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Schwab's improved their Active Trader commissions. It's still the same
>price:
>
>Shares up to 30/qtr 31-60/qtr >60
>1000 29.95 19.95 14.95
> >1000 .03/shr .02
.01/shr
>min 14.95
>
>but now your commission level is carried into the next quarter instead of
>resetting to 29.95/ .03/shr.
>
>
>-
Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists
Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site
PFB Information
mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW http://OreRockOn.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:30:49 EST
From: "can slim" <canslim@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
Do you still own ELNT?
>From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
>Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:19:54 -0500
>
>As a rule, I do not buy any stocks I am not willing to own long
>term (defined for me as a year or longer). I am not trading on
>margin any more, but if I was the minimum would be three months.
>
>Currently, 4 of my 5 holdings have been held for over a year.
>That is not a function of good adherence to CANSLIM, just the
>opposite as I should have exited all of them. Sheer lack of time
>due extremely long work hours and exhaustion led to inaction as I
>could not follow my personal methodology and application of
>CANSLIM. The one stock that is under 1 year is EPIQ, which I am
>on my fourth ownership in just over two years, yielding 70%, 20%,
>30% the first three times and currently up 50% on the present
>ownership (closer attention and I would have recently sold up
>80%).
>
>Generally speaking, I do not sell unless fundamentals
>deteriorate. Since I no longer must generate an income from my
>investments, I am more tolerant of dips and pullbacks.
>
>Tom Worley
>stkguru@netside.net
>ICQ # 5568838
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kent Norman <gsnake@flash.net>
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
>
>
>Thanks
>
>I guess that is what I have been doing wrong, following the
>herd - or is
>it "heard"?
>
>Just out of curiosity - approximately how long do you hold an
>average
>stock?
>
>Kent
>
>
>Tom Worley wrote:
> >
> > Probably true if all you consider are high volume stocks that
> > institutionals like. Since I only focus on small and micro cap
> > stocks where the institutionals are less likely to play, I tend
> > to get in ahead of them.
> >
> > But CANSLIM is a method of decision making independent of what
> > the institutionals are doing. Used properly, it permits you to
>be
> > in the stock before the rest of the "herd" follows suit. Done
> > right, you already own the stock prior to the "herd" beginning
>to
> > chase it.
> >
> > Tom Worley
> > stkguru@netside.net
> > ICQ # 5568838
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kent Norman <gsnake@flash.net>
> > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Isn't this effectively what CANSLIM does? Wait for high volume
> > breakout
> > caused by institutions and then jump on board?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kent
> >
> > Tom Worley wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Tim,
> > >
> > > You should reread the piece again, it does not say the rally
> > > starts with slow growth companies, just that it can, as it
> > seems
> > > to be doing here.
> > >
> > > I also don't think sector rotation is so much an artifact as
>it
> > > is symptomatic of "herd mentality" among the institutional
> > > managers, all competing to be better than the next one. So
>the
> > > upstarts tend to chase the purchasing and selling of the ones
> > > with established reputations, without having their own
> > > methodology and decision making.
> > >
> > > Tom Worley
> > > stkguru@netside.net
> > > ICQ # 5568838
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tim Fisher <tim@OreRockOn.com>
> > > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:01 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
> > >
> > > This is an interesting assertion. have any data to back it
>up?
> > Do
> > > rallies
> > > really start with slower growth companies? My impression has
> > been
> > > that
> > > sectors rotate throughout a rally and the growth you observe
>as
> > > the rally
> > > matures is simply an artifact of the fact that a rally is
> > driving
> > > prices,
> > > performance, the economy,and thus EPS.
> > >
> > > On 06:22 AM 11/3/00, David Squires Said:
> > >
> > > >The 1-13 week time frame is based on WON's study of many
>bull
> > > market cycles.
> > > >In his study he found that quality leadership names will
>clear
> > > sound bases
> > > >for up to 13 weeks after the low. This is why you can sit
>and
> > > wait for the
> > > >real high growth leaders rather than slower growth names
>that
> > > set-up.
> > > >
> > > >DSquires
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
>Earl
> > > Setser
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:40 AM
> > > > > To: canslim@xmission.com
> > > > > Cc: steven.e.mlaker@l-3com.com
> > > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an interesting tidbit from WON from the IBD
> > website.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Question: The Dow and the Nasdaq have both had "follow
> > > through"
> > > > > days. Will
> > > > > this potential rally falter with the lack of sound base
> > > patterns from
> > > > > quality companies?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Submitted
> > from
> > > > > Durham, N.C.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WON's Answer: Not necessarily. Now that you have had a
> > > follow-through, the
> > > > > only thing you know is that the market has now signaled
>its
> > > change of
> > > > > direction. If you don't see any quality stocks breaking
>out
> > > of sound bases
> > > > > on strong volume, then you don't buy anything. If the
> > > follow-through is
> > > > > "for real" and the market continues in a rally phase, you
> > > should begin to
> > > > > see quality stocks begin to break out of sound bases
> > anywhere
> > > from one to
> > > > > 13 weeks after the follow-through day. It's possible that
> > > right now the
> > > > > potential leaders are building the right sides of their
> > cups
> > > or other base
> > > > > patterns and will break out at some point a few weeks
> > later.
> > > The
> > > > > good thing
> > > > > is that you don't have to know what the market is going
>to
> > > do.
> > > > > And if there
> > > > > are no breakouts occurring, then you will naturally not
>get
> > > sucked into a
> > > > > potentially failing follow-through. "
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else ever see the 1 to 13 week timeframe for
>quality
> > > breakouts to
> > > > > start? This was a new one for me, but I think it makes
> > > sense. After an
> > > > > extended down period, even the new leaders could have bee
>n
> > > beaten down
> > > > > enough that the right side of the cup could take weeks or
> > > longer to form.
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-
> > >
> > > Tim Fisher
> > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites
> > >
> > > Tim@OreRockOn.com
> > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
> > > See naked fish and rocks!
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > -
> >
> > -
> >
> > -
>
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>
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:45:32 -0500
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
I wish!
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
ICQ # 5568838
- ----- Original Message -----
From: can slim <canslim@hotmail.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
Do you still own ELNT?
>From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
>Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:19:54 -0500
>
>As a rule, I do not buy any stocks I am not willing to own long
>term (defined for me as a year or longer). I am not trading on
>margin any more, but if I was the minimum would be three months.
>
>Currently, 4 of my 5 holdings have been held for over a year.
>That is not a function of good adherence to CANSLIM, just the
>opposite as I should have exited all of them. Sheer lack of time
>due extremely long work hours and exhaustion led to inaction as
I
>could not follow my personal methodology and application of
>CANSLIM. The one stock that is under 1 year is EPIQ, which I am
>on my fourth ownership in just over two years, yielding 70%,
20%,
>30% the first three times and currently up 50% on the present
>ownership (closer attention and I would have recently sold up
>80%).
>
>Generally speaking, I do not sell unless fundamentals
>deteriorate. Since I no longer must generate an income from my
>investments, I am more tolerant of dips and pullbacks.
>
>Tom Worley
>stkguru@netside.net
>ICQ # 5568838
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kent Norman <gsnake@flash.net>
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
>
>
>Thanks
>
>I guess that is what I have been doing wrong, following the
>herd - or is
>it "heard"?
>
>Just out of curiosity - approximately how long do you hold an
>average
>stock?
>
>Kent
>
>
>Tom Worley wrote:
> >
> > Probably true if all you consider are high volume stocks that
> > institutionals like. Since I only focus on small and micro
cap
> > stocks where the institutionals are less likely to play, I
tend
> > to get in ahead of them.
> >
> > But CANSLIM is a method of decision making independent of
what
> > the institutionals are doing. Used properly, it permits you
to
>be
> > in the stock before the rest of the "herd" follows suit. Done
> > right, you already own the stock prior to the "herd"
beginning
>to
> > chase it.
> >
> > Tom Worley
> > stkguru@netside.net
> > ICQ # 5568838
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kent Norman <gsnake@flash.net>
> > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Isn't this effectively what CANSLIM does? Wait for high
volume
> > breakout
> > caused by institutions and then jump on board?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kent
> >
> > Tom Worley wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Tim,
> > >
> > > You should reread the piece again, it does not say the
rally
> > > starts with slow growth companies, just that it can, as it
> > seems
> > > to be doing here.
> > >
> > > I also don't think sector rotation is so much an artifact
as
>it
> > > is symptomatic of "herd mentality" among the institutional
> > > managers, all competing to be better than the next one. So
>the
> > > upstarts tend to chase the purchasing and selling of the
ones
> > > with established reputations, without having their own
> > > methodology and decision making.
> > >
> > > Tom Worley
> > > stkguru@netside.net
> > > ICQ # 5568838
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tim Fisher <tim@OreRockOn.com>
> > > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:01 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
> > >
> > > This is an interesting assertion. have any data to back it
>up?
> > Do
> > > rallies
> > > really start with slower growth companies? My impression
has
> > been
> > > that
> > > sectors rotate throughout a rally and the growth you
observe
>as
> > > the rally
> > > matures is simply an artifact of the fact that a rally is
> > driving
> > > prices,
> > > performance, the economy,and thus EPS.
> > >
> > > On 06:22 AM 11/3/00, David Squires Said:
> > >
> > > >The 1-13 week time frame is based on WON's study of many
>bull
> > > market cycles.
> > > >In his study he found that quality leadership names will
>clear
> > > sound bases
> > > >for up to 13 weeks after the low. This is why you can sit
>and
> > > wait for the
> > > >real high growth leaders rather than slower growth names
>that
> > > set-up.
> > > >
> > > >DSquires
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
>Earl
> > > Setser
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:40 AM
> > > > > To: canslim@xmission.com
> > > > > Cc: steven.e.mlaker@l-3com.com
> > > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Interesting Point from WON
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an interesting tidbit from WON from the IBD
> > website.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Question: The Dow and the Nasdaq have both had "follow
> > > through"
> > > > > days. Will
> > > > > this potential rally falter with the lack of sound base
> > > patterns from
> > > > > quality companies?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -
Submitted
> > from
> > > > > Durham, N.C.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WON's Answer: Not necessarily. Now that you have had a
> > > follow-through, the
> > > > > only thing you know is that the market has now signaled
>its
> > > change of
> > > > > direction. If you don't see any quality stocks breaking
>out
> > > of sound bases
> > > > > on strong volume, then you don't buy anything. If the
> > > follow-through is
> > > > > "for real" and the market continues in a rally phase,
you
> > > should begin to
> > > > > see quality stocks begin to break out of sound bases
> > anywhere
> > > from one to
> > > > > 13 weeks after the follow-through day. It's possible
that
> > > right now the
> > > > > potential leaders are building the right sides of their
> > cups
> > > or other base
> > > > > patterns and will break out at some point a few weeks
> > later.
> > > The
> > > > > good thing
> > > > > is that you don't have to know what the market is going
>to
> > > do.
> > > > > And if there
> > > > > are no breakouts occurring, then you will naturally not
>get
> > > sucked into a
> > > > > potentially failing follow-through. "
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else ever see the 1 to 13 week timeframe for
>quality
> > > breakouts to
> > > > > start? This was a new one for me, but I think it makes
> > > sense. After an
> > > > > extended down period, even the new leaders could have
bee
>n
> > > beaten down
> > > > > enough that the right side of the cup could take weeks
or
> > > longer to form.
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-
> > >
> > > Tim Fisher
> > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites
> > >
> > > Tim@OreRockOn.com
> > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
> > > See naked fish and rocks!
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > -
> >
> > -
> >
> > -
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:43:22 -0500
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One
Overall, the list totaled 250, maintaining a surprising parity
(at least to me) to last week's total of 251. With NASDAQ down
over 12% for the week, I did not expect this large a list, tho
suspect most were at/within 5% of their 12 month highs early in
the week. For prior weeks, the total was 201, 176, and 153.
SRNA - b/o failed, back to B3
CHKP - undercutting long base at $150
IFIN - B2
AMRI - B3
DFXI - B3
SEIC - B2
FRX - B3
MME - broke out Friday on volume from a reasonably tight B6,
closed right at the pivot
SWBT - B2
USPH - B2+
PHM - possible b/o from a handle less than one week, risky, but
nice cup
EDMC - B2-
FII - B2, all "A"s
MFC - B2++
IGT - B3+
PENN - B5
PATH - B3
ACL - B3
EWBC - B8
SDS - B2
FED - B2
INSUA - B6+
DORL - B2
HAVN - B2 handle on a shallow cup
NFS - B2
DH - possible handle forming on a double bottom
reviewing from the heart of PETROF (Presidential Election That
Recounts On Forever), but then it can't last forever, can it?? Or
can it?
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
ICQ # 5568838
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